Ho Chi Minh person
also: Ho, Nguyen Sen Khun
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Claims (36)
Ho Chi Minh member_of
Viet Minh host_asserted
“A ceasefire was accepted by both sides without an official surrender. In the meantime, some Vietnamese, Viet Minh forces were on the way to Hanoi. Diop was instructed to leave some forces in Thai Nguyen and walk to Hanoi. Viet Minh forces w…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam history 1940’s and prior @ 1:00:47
Ho Chi Minh trained
Paris caller_asserted
“I'm going to get off here so I can have some dinner. I appreciate everybody being here, and we're going to... Colonel? Yes? Can you see Jeff? Jeff's got his hand up. No, I can't see Jeff with his hand up. Go ahead, Jeff. Yes, ma'am. Good af…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Part 8 Phoenix Program @ 2:03:31
Ho Chi Minh carried_out_attack
Japan host_asserted
“by the way. So Ho Chi Minh's the guy. He's the one doing sabotage to the Japanese. He was so effective at countering the Japanese in Vietnam that the OSS, while Bill Donovan, assigned his own OSS team to him to help him fight and push back.…”
▶ The Colonel’s corner President’s secret wars Chap 14 @ 1:19:39
Ho Chi Minh removed_from_power
Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted
“which, of course, didn't work very well. And Ho Chi Minh was having none of it because he didn't agree with Chiang Kai-shek's dealing in opium or anything else. And he basically ran him out of town. So, yeah. Ron, go ahead. Real quick, you …”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner- Presidents’ Secret Wars John Prados Chap 3 @ 1:53:06
Ho Chi Minh founded
FNLA host_asserted
“1960 announced the formation of the National Front for Liberation of South Vietnam and called for the expulsion of all Americans. Ho Chi Minh appointed Lu Duan, D-U-A-N, Secretary General of the South Branch of the Party, and one year later…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam Phoenix Program @ 53:57
Office of Strategic Services trained
Ho Chi Minh guest_asserted
“They work to go in and disrupt countries in order to steal their resources. And there is no better example than Vietnam of that process because the OSS, the precursor to CIA, was in bed with Ho Chi Minh. We developed him. We trained him. Ye…”
▶ The Colonels corner president, secret wars chapter 14 continued @ 1:43:06
Charles Finn tracked_down
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“from the 14th Air Force the previous year when he escorted a downed American pilot out of Vietnam into China. The OSS agent, Charles Finn, F-E-N-N, tracked down the man in question, Ho Chi Minh, describing him as articulate, charismatic, an…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam history 1940’s and prior @ 6:22
Office of Strategic Services recruited
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“Ho Chi Minh was fine when the OSS was helping him during World War II, working alongside of him. The precursor to the CIA adopted him, used his entire army to kick the Japanese out.…”
▶ ColonelTowner-Watkins på X CIA are the terrorists @ 4:14
Ho Chi Minh removed_from_power
Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted
“He initially began with the installation of Chiang Kai-shek in the north after World War II, thinking that they would be able to allow him to roost there. But Ho Chi Minh kicked him out and because, you know, he didn't belong there.…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam Finale (9) @ 1:33:32
Ho Chi Minh declared_independence
Vietnam host_asserted
“and were preaching the gospel according to Ho to anyone interested in independence. Viet Minh held six provinces near Hanoi and was working with the forerunner to the CIA, the OSS, recovering downed pilots as a part of 14th Air Force. A stu…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Phoenix Program part 2 @ 41:22
Ho Chi Minh appointed
Lu Duan host_asserted
“1960 announced the formation of the National Front for Liberation of South Vietnam and called for the expulsion of all Americans. Ho Chi Minh appointed Lu Duan, D-U-A-N, Secretary General of the South Branch of the Party, and one year later…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam Phoenix Program @ 53:57
Ho Chi Minh founded
People's Revolutionary Party host_asserted
“1960 announced the formation of the National Front for Liberation of South Vietnam and called for the expulsion of all Americans. Ho Chi Minh appointed Lu Duan, D-U-A-N, Secretary General of the South Branch of the Party, and one year later…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam Phoenix Program @ 53:57
William Corson attempted_bribery_of
Ho Chi Minh book_quoted
“He had been sent on an unsuccessful secret mission in 1950 to try to bribe Ho Chi Minh to launch a diversionary attack against China to limit China's help to North Korea. That's interesting because you know who was hanging out in, well, he …”
▶ The Colonels corner prelude to terror chapter 30 @ 7:30
Ho Chi Minh targeted_for_regime_change
France guest_asserted
“He wanted to be just like us. He drafted a constitution that read and I read it. It reads just like our constitution. He was so proud to go to Paris and present it to the Americans there because he wanted to be like us. And because he made …”
▶ The Colonels corner president, secret wars chapter 14 continued @ 1:43:33
Ho Chi Minh requested_copy_from
Austin Glass host_asserted
“The Vietnamese Declaration of Independence had a similar structure, but different in content, the U.S. Declaration of Independence, since the history and circumstances of the two countries were a little different. Indeed, Ho Chi Minh had re…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam history 1940’s and prior @ 19:44
Ho Chi Minh recruited
Rudolph Shaw host_asserted
“On November 11, 1944, a U.S. plane piloted by Lieutenant Rudolph Shaw encountered engine trouble while flying over the Vietnamese frontier and parachuted safely to the ground. Although French authorities saw this and dispatched to locate hi…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam history 1940’s and prior @ 41:54
United States recruited
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“And we would have had them in 1944. So 1948 would have been basically the first elections that we had after this. And if you look at having elections, knowing that we worked with Ho Chi Minh and then we turned our back on him and allowed th…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam history 1940’s and prior @ 1:03:30
Office of Strategic Services recruited
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“would also be valuable assets to the war against Japan. Soon thereafter, Ho Chi Minh became an OSS agent. His name under the OSS secret agent name was Lucius, L-U-C-I-U-S. The OSS then sent in Deer Team, Deer Team commanded by Major Allison…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Vietnam history 1940’s and prior @ 6:52
Ho Chi Minh founded
Viet Minh host_asserted
“were accustomed to simply accepting their lot and basically not questioning a political order. And Ho Chi Minh realized that that's what had got them into their colonialist occupation and wanted to change that. So he created Viet Minh, the …”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Viet Cong vs Viet Minh; Charlie @ 15:21
Ho Chi Minh appointed
Ho Gok Lam host_asserted
“That's pretty much right on. Viet Minh's first chairman was a name, a guy by the name of Ho Gok Lam, L-A-M. And he wasn't a communist. He was 100%. He not went to all of these different places, nothing. He was a local guy that was going to …”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Viet Cong vs Viet Minh; Charlie @ 27:05
Ho Chi Minh member_of
Viet Minh host_asserted
“Which is really interesting if we were to believe all the things that was written about Ho Chi Minh, why wouldn't he actually step into the leadership immediately? He didn't because it wasn't about him. In reality, the Viet Minh was steered…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Viet Cong vs Viet Minh; Charlie @ 27:33
Lu Duan succeeded
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“wanted a unified country. They did not want a divided country. And after the death of Ho Chi Minh in 1969, Lee became the undisputed head of the government in the North. And he also was the one that pursued the Vietnam War until they were v…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Viet Cong vs Viet Minh; Charlie @ 58:55
Strategic Services Unit supplied_arms_to
Ho Chi Minh book_quoted
“excuse me, former OSS officers who had served with the Jedbirds and elsewhere went back to their homes, to law practices, to school, or some of them went back to their former army jobs. Teams from the OSS SSU were pulled out of Vietnam, whe…”
▶ The Colonels Corner - Book Club about real history @ 35:31
Ho Chi Minh founded
Viet Minh host_asserted
“gathered the various nationalist groups under the banner of Viet Minh and called for all good revolutionaries to stand up and unite with the people and throw out the Japanese and the French. Leading the charge was General Guyop, which we ta…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Phoenix Program part 2 @ 40:53
Robert Murphy proposed
Ho Chi Minh book_quoted
“that we've come across that formally acknowledges that. There is little indication he ever saw one that he did not like because they all enriched him. Bob Murphy once suggested assassinating Ho Chi Minh. The CIA rejected it. Murphy often pl…”
▶ The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 33 (35) @ 24:13
United States carried_out_attack
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“So both the U.S. and the French attacked him, and he all of a sudden became a communist.…”
▶ ColonelTowner-Watkins på X CIA are the terrorists @ 4:42
France carried_out_attack
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“So both the U.S. and the French attacked him, and he all of a sudden became a communist.…”
▶ ColonelTowner-Watkins på X CIA are the terrorists @ 4:42
Ho Chi Minh member_of
United States caller_asserted
“trained in paris and was friends of the united states before the vietnam war and it was just quite a shame that we couldn't have developed that relationship uh to where this situation wouldn't have ended in the way that it did and my questi…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Part 8 Phoenix Program @ 2:04:02
Chiang Kai-shek overthrew
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“It was never about a long-term win. This was all about situating initially with Chiang Kai-shek in the North before Ho Chi Minh kicked him out, situating him to be the opium controller. They never wanted him in Taiwan. They always wanted hi…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Part 8 Phoenix Program @ 2:05:58
Ho Chi Minh member_of
Viet Minh host_asserted
“Allowing us to be able to go back and actually look at the here's the criteria of what makes you a communist. Ho Chi Minh was not a communist, at least at this particular time in what all that we have discovered that he's advocating. He abs…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam Viet Cong vs Viet Minh; Charlie @ 1:29:57
United States supplied_arms_to
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“What then we basically we supplied Ho Chi Minh with all of the weapons and everything prior to the end of the war. I mean, he had his own OSI OSS agents assigned to him. We learned all about that yesterday. If you didn't listen to that, I h…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Vietnam and the Catholic Church @ 40:37
Ho Chi Minh carried_out_attack
Vietnam host_asserted
“working in Indochina, namely Vietnam, that of course ended in defeat. They studied how they were defeated under a lessons learned kind of thing, talking about revolutionary guerrilla warfare tactics that had been deployed successfully by Ma…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Strange Tales of the Parapolitical Part 11 @ 3:59
Lucien Tronchet carried_out_attack
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“Transe was sent to Indochina as part of a trade union excursion. Officially, this happened right at the conclusion of the Korean War. He was sent there to study conditions in a country that was still under French rule, meaning Vietnam. In r…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Transnational Anti-Communism #3 @ 28:30
United States supplied_arms_to
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“The partisan groups in the north ended up being taken over by the Americans, who managed to smuggle in a few shipments of weapons and explosives under the cover of French evacuation. So they're running airlift in supposedly to take French o…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner- Presidents Secret Wars Chap 7a @ 42:17
United States targeted_for_regime_change
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“He actually went to Paris with a U.S. constitution that was drafted by his former OSS officers. He was not a communist. Did we push him into the hands of the communists? Yes, we did. The same thing is with Kim's father. Kim's father was not…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Safe for Democracy part 35 (37) @ 1:01:16
Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered_assassination_of
Ho Chi Minh host_asserted
“but could nonetheless be very effective. This is a quote. I refer to our efforts to get a good guerrilla organization going in the region, unquote. So Ike wants a guerrilla unit in Vietnam, and he's willing to do just about anything to get …”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner- Presidents Secret Wars Chap 7a @ 41:46
Mentions (120)
▶ 4:14
And in the Phoenix program, you had to have an enemy, and that became the Viet Cong. Not because the Viet Cong was communist, because they were not. They were nationalist. Ho Chi Minh was fine when the OSS was helping him during World War I…
▶ 4:42
But he was a nationalist, and he was not going to tolerate the French nor the U.S. staying in Vietnam. But Vietnam was key to the opium trade going on, and the French had rubber plantations there and everything else, so they weren't going t…
▶ 5:10
Because what he had to do in order to survive because we attacked him, that's a whole different story. He was not a communist the day after World War II ended. He just wasn't. All right. So we go on to our next. So the narrative that they'r…
▶ 15:26
When the war was over, World War II, oh, and by the way, I have to mention that the OSS, the precursor to the CIA, they loved Ho Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh was a nationalist and loved Vietnam. And he fought like a dog to get Japan out. And the o…
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And certainly not the French, because they were a bunch of pansies at the time. So you have the post-World War II Vietnam with, and as with we did in Germany, there are sectors that are divided up. So the northern sector of Vietnam, weirdly…
▶ 16:25
was put in charge of the northern sector. And the southern sector was the UK. And China wasn't actually China. It was Chiang Kai-shek. That was soon to be Taiwan because we're going to eventually move him over to Formosa and change the name…
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because they wanted Chiang Kai-shek on the border of China so that they could continue to pester communist China Mao, who had just kicked Chiang Kai-shek out. So the military aftermath of World War II had an OSS detachment, and they had for…
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The OSS agents that were with Ho Chi Minh would go back to Vietnam and have reunions there. That's how much they liked him. So he wanted a republic. He drafted up something that looks just like our constitution. He goes to Paris and he gets…
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Well, they're pissed off. Right. So they go, yeah, we're not going to let you do that. And of course, we know the aftermath of that was to have the French and Ho Chi Minh fight each other. Ho Chi Minh wins. And then again, instead of allowi…
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So they're occupying Vietnam and they're occupying Korea. Korea had been a colony. They weren't just an occupied force. They actually had colonized Korea for decades. And Korea thought by rebelling against Japan and actually fighting during…
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and not be occupied post-World War II. And in both Korea and Vietnam, I mean, Ho Chi Minh actually traveled to France after the war, thinking that he was going to actually negotiate and make sure that France was not coming back to Vietnam. …
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Time after time after time, lie. We lied to Ho Chi Minh. We lied to Kim in Korea. Just one lie after another lie after another lie. And he watched it all unfold. He watched us overthrow all of the governments. And he was willing to let all …
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The same thing happened to Ho Chi Minh after World War II when the French wanted to go back into Vietnam. He had already passed a constitution that basically looked like ours and setting up a more capitalistic, free Vietnam. But we helped t…
▶ 32:28
The guy that was the primary leader in the North wanted his country back. We see that time and time again, because that's what happened to Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. They didn't want an occupying force. They didn't want the U.S. to be there fo…
▶ 55:44
We basically agitated in the North before we ever even started anything in the South and Vietnam because we wanted France out of there. We were actively working against France. And for those of you who don't know, France came into Vietnam i…
▶ 56:12
to try to get recognized as a total country, they had different designs on them, too. They wanted a foothold there. The French wanted back in. Ho Chi Minh did not want them back in. And basically, they snubbed him at the peace conference. A…
▶ 56:39
And he fought them tooth and nail the whole time. And then we basically kind of sucked up to him and did some really, I won't go into it because we'll go into it when we get there, but did some really awful things to dislocate a whole bunch…
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was we wanted a deep sea port in Asia in order to operate out of. And that's basically why they had to have the Philippines. After the Spanish had been driven out of the Philippines in 1898, by the combined actions of the United States work…
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So what they want to have happen is under the Asian People's Anti-Communist League is they want you to believe back in the 1950s, like in the immediate aftermath of the Korean War and before we even go into Vietnam, that Ho Chi Minh was a c…
▶ 1:13:03
or eventually the Chinese communist movement. And then they went around, as I have said repeatedly, with this little laser pointer, like you torment your cat. And they took that laser pointer and pointed it on Ho Chi Minh. They took that la…
▶ 1:19:31
against the Japanese 35-year occupation turning Korea into a penal colony, a colony, whatever you want to call it. So he was the Ho Chi Minh of Korea, unequivocally. Who was not there was Ri, R-H-E-E, the guy that we installed in the southe…
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the preponderance of the nationalists, just like in Vietnam, where Ho Chi Minh was. So they opted to give themselves the South and give the Soviet Union, they basically set them up and give them the North because they're going to attack the…
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All of that is a long way of saying that we set up the North to be what it is today. And we painted Kim with a communist brush when he was never a communist, which is pattern-wise exactly what we did with Cuba, which is what we did with Lum…
▶ 37:57
And in the North, you have, now this is post-World War II, where we've already told Ho Chi Minh to go pound sand. They're already calling him a communist, even though he wanted a direct, a constitution that mirrored ours. And so we've alrea…
▶ 40:37
What then we basically we supplied Ho Chi Minh with all of the weapons and everything prior to the end of the war. I mean, he had his own OSI OSS agents assigned to him. We learned all about that yesterday. If you didn't listen to that, I h…
▶ 41:32
which we helped facilitate, by the way, that this massive movement of people is going to occur. And you have, let's see, the Accords resulted in a partitioning of Vietnam on the 17th parallel with Ho Chi Minh in the north and the state of V…
▶ 56:02
The OSS worked hand in hand with the communist Ho Chi Minh, which we talked about. And let's see, there was one other highlight. That's why I hate working online because you can't highlight this stuff. Let's see. So once Truman gets in, he …
▶ 57:29
And do you know who that Chinese forces was? Not Mao's forces, Chiang Kai-shek. So Ho Chi Minh, the northern area, was turned over basically for administrative purposes to the drug king, Chiang Kai-shek. I was like, what the hell? And that …
▶ 27:25
It gave them an opportunity to test a concept. And I want you to tell me, just think about it. We'll talk about it at the end. If you have a group of people that is not going along with what you want them to do, and that's what Ho Chi Minh,…
▶ 27:55
That's not what the CIA wanted. So one of the very first things they had to do was demonize Ho Chi Minh. And they did that psychologically by labeling him a communist, as we now know, and changing Viet Minh, which were national heroes, to V…
▶ 1:30:38
But you know, and Vietnam's a great example of that. There was no way that the U.S.'s war methodology was going to allow them to ever succeed. So Ho Chi Minh could have sat back and allowed them to defeat themselves.…
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He initially began with the installation of Chiang Kai-shek in the north after World War II, thinking that they would be able to allow him to roost there. But Ho Chi Minh kicked him out and because, you know, he didn't belong there.…
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from the 14th Air Force the previous year when he escorted a downed American pilot out of Vietnam into China. The OSS agent, Charles Finn, F-E-N-N, tracked down the man in question, Ho Chi Minh, describing him as articulate, charismatic, an…
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would also be valuable assets to the war against Japan. Soon thereafter, Ho Chi Minh became an OSS agent. His name under the OSS secret agent name was Lucius, L-U-C-I-U-S. The OSS then sent in Deer Team, Deer Team commanded by Major Allison…
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I will long remember this occasion, unquote. And there's pictures of them all saluting the flags. On September 2nd, Patty and his team watched as Ho Chi Minh read Vietnam's Declaration of Independence before a cheering crowd. Their Declarat…
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the OSS officers. This apparent U.S. recognition of Ho Chi Minh and Vietnamese independence further inflamed the French, whose opinion, as most colonials had expected, the Americans to refuse to deal with this upstart government and help Fr…
▶ 12:07
Tall, handsome, very rich, idealistic, it was only natural for the Vietnamese to fall in love with Americans. This seemed true even at the highest levels. Perhaps the relationship can best be illustrated by one of the last meetings between …
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reiterated Vietnam's desire for independence, the atrocities and hardships suffered under the French rule, and the deep respect the Vietnamese had for the United States and its people. Upon returning to his hotel, White found an invitation …
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Conscious of his inferior rank and ill at ease, White stood back as the others assumed their place around the dinner table. Clearly the lowest ranking man in the room, he expected to find his seat, in his words, well below the salt, and was…
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Quote, the dinner was a horror. The French confined themselves to the barest minimum of conversation and scarcely spoke to the Chinese, who quickly became drunk. One point, I spoke to Ho very quietly. I think, Mr. President, there is some r…
▶ 17:26
Never was I approached by anyone in authority. However, I did prepare a large number, and I do mean well over 15 position papers on our position in Vietnam, but I never knew what happened to them. Those things just disappeared. They went do…
▶ 17:49
And he is employed by the Pentagon, by the State Department, and had a job at some point in the White House. And not a single person ever asked him about his personal experience and his opinion on Ho Chi Minh. So that tells you right there …
▶ 18:18
for their own benefit. This Wikipedia entry on this guy goes on and it acknowledges the fact that he was part of the OSS deer team and that they worked directly for a major Allison Thomas and with Ho Chi Minh. And it says that…
▶ 18:47
Patty arrived in Hanoi on a mercy mission with an OSS agent, Carlton B. Swift, and a French government official by the name of Jean Chantini. His primary mission was to assist with the repatriation of Allied prisoners of war as the U.S. gov…
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Patty met with Ho Chi Minh over lunch at his residence in Hanoi. Several days later, Ho Chi Minh read a draft of the Vietnamese Proclamation of Independence to him. Patty offered some corrections to the wording in the opening sentence, whic…
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The Vietnamese Declaration of Independence had a similar structure, but different in content, the U.S. Declaration of Independence, since the history and circumstances of the two countries were a little different. Indeed, Ho Chi Minh had re…
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a reconsideration of events in 1944 and 1945. Circumstances giving rise to empowering the Vietnam resulted in the August Revolution. After its formation in 1941, Viet Minh gradually seized power, taking the advantage of a number of events. …
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Ho Chi Minh's distinctive character significantly resulted or contributed to this result. It is the focus of easy essay on the relationship between the U.S., namely the OSS, and Ho Chi Minh before and after the proclamation of Vietnamese in…
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On November 11, 1944, a U.S. plane piloted by Lieutenant Rudolph Shaw encountered engine trouble while flying over the Vietnamese frontier and parachuted safely to the ground. Although French authorities saw this and dispatched to locate hi…
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How do you do, pilot? Where are you from? Shaw was reportedly so excited that he hugged Ho and later said to him, when I heard your voice, I felt like I was hearing a voice from my father back in the United States. Finn gave an account of t…
▶ 42:54
who had parachuted into the jungle when his plane was shot down by Japanese. And there was no confirmation that it was shot down. A lot of people believed that it was just a mechanical problem, but whatever. The French and Japanese actively…
▶ 43:22
at that base in China where the 14th Air Force is. He could hardly have guessed that this action would have proved a magic key to open doors otherwise impregnable. Ho accompanied Shaw and took him to the American base at Kunming. He refused…
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U.S. was not ready to operate inside of Vietnam with its own teams. And finally, the new Truman directive, it did not wish at this stage to quarrel with the French about the natives in Vietnam. Nevertheless, Finn called this operation, this…
▶ 46:02
of March 9th, silenced all the GBT and their existing networks. This meant no information coming and going on targets, air defense, Japanese troop movements, nothing, not even weather reports. Finn had just heard about the Japanese connecte…
▶ 46:30
Office of War Information, where he read everything from Time Magazine to the encyclopedia. So Ho Chi Minh would sit in the offices of the American Office of War Information, which is basically Intel, in Kunming and read every single thing …
▶ 46:59
to find out everything he could about America. The meeting was arranged for 17 March, only eight days from the Japanese coup. Finn wrote in his diary, quote, Ho was not what I expected. It seems that he had already met Hall, Glass, and Sibo…
▶ 47:28
I told him about our work and asked whether he could help us. He said that he might be able to help us, but they had no radios, no radio operators, nor any other equipment. We discussed taking a radio and a generator and a radio operator so…
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But a vast majority of Phoenix personnel, soldiers, interrogators, and analysts were Vietnamese. Exploring South Vietnamese role in Phoenix offers alternative perspectives. Of all of the Vietnamese who participated in Phoenix, perhaps the m…
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Ho Chi Minh, at the end of World War II, was not a communist. He was a nationalist. And he was for workers' rights. They had been a French colony. Then they had been occupied by the Japanese for decades. And all he wanted was a unified coun…
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Learning all about the Vietnamese and why the nationalistic pride that some Vietnamese had, like Ho Chi Minh, posed their biggest problem for them because they didn't want Americans in there to begin with. And Donahue immediately picked up …
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And this thing, this is the point that this seems to completely miss. The higher up people had been there generationally and they were nationalists as Ho Chi Minh was. And they were in it for their country, not for money and certainly not t…
▶ 45:06
You know, when this happens, they can see them coming a mile away. They know what they're there for. Because the whole time this is going on, the part that this misses is what was going on in the north. And that Ho Chi Minh was, they had, a…
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and how much they were going to be attacked by the U.S. forces and the South to try to turn them. So we don't talk about that a lot, but that was a long-going, ongoing, long-term venture for Ho Chi Minh. I spent a couple of days learning th…
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I'm going to get off here so I can have some dinner. I appreciate everybody being here, and we're going to... Colonel? Yes? Can you see Jeff? Jeff's got his hand up. No, I can't see Jeff with his hand up. Go ahead, Jeff. Yes, ma'am. Good af…
▶ 2:05:58
It was never about a long-term win. This was all about situating initially with Chiang Kai-shek in the North before Ho Chi Minh kicked him out, situating him to be the opium controller. They never wanted him in Taiwan. They always wanted hi…
▶ 45:55
was imprisoned in the 1940s by Ho Chi Minh because he was conspiring with the KMT army of Chiang Kai-shek against Northern Vietnamese people. And he is a Catholic priest. His real name is Nguyen Loc Hoa.…
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Um, and he was not only just in Vietnam, but he also did a whole bunch of stuff in Laos. Um, and shortly after Chiang Kai-shek had fled to Thailand with his nationalist army, um, the, uh, this Catholic priest went to Laos to get out of the …
▶ 52:59
came to a head in November, which would have been the election, in 1960 when a group of disgruntled Des Viet paratroopers led a coup against Dem. Although it failed, the coup attempt grew attention to Dem's lack of popular support. A situat…
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This purge sent the Buddhists underground and into alliance with Ho Chi Minh and what was called the Buddhist crisis ensued, resulting, basically causing the demise of the regime of Dem. Sensing that Dem was on the ropes and bolstered by th…
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Basically, all they're doing by doing this is increasing the amount of people that hate them. So the VCI leadership was molded in the Kangsang prison as they're imprisoning all of these people. And the locals called that prison where they w…
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because they planned the overthrow of the French while they were in prison because they weren't going to surrender. They had the ability there to hone their skills at detecting spies and agent provocateurs who the French planted in prisons …
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gathered the various nationalist groups under the banner of Viet Minh and called for all good revolutionaries to stand up and unite with the people and throw out the Japanese and the French. Leading the charge was General Guyop, which we ta…
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and were preaching the gospel according to Ho to anyone interested in independence. Viet Minh held six provinces near Hanoi and was working with the forerunner to the CIA, the OSS, recovering downed pilots as a part of 14th Air Force. A stu…
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Guess what his emblem for his command patch was? A phoenix, hence the phoenix program. The British were put in charge of the South. 20,000 Gurkhas arrived in Saigon and proceeded to disarm the Japanese. The British then outlawed Ho's Commit…
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and the French were up to their old tricks with a vengeance. The French shelled Haiphong Harbor, killing 6,000 Vietnamese, and Ho slipped underground, and American officials passively observed while the French conducted punitive missions. D…
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social justice type narrative. And this is in the words of Valentine. I don't know, because all of these stuff that I've read about Ho Chi Minh, he actually wanted the land back from the rubber, like Michelin from the West and from the Fren…
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To dispense education to all the people. Number 10, to recognize and achieve equality between men and women. What? Are you kidding me? Okay, snap. So now, if I was to tell you that those are the 10 demands that Ho Chi Minh went to Paris to …
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that they did not want the French back in after having fought beside the allies, mainly the U.S., during World War II against Japan, who had basically kicked the French out and had occupied Vietnam. Anybody in their right minds looking this…
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China against Mao. And Mao was actually a communist, okay? Chiang Kai-shek was a drug lord, but we labeled him a nationalist. Ho Chi Minh wanted exactly the same thing, minus the drugs, that Chiang Kai-shek was on record saying he wanted. T…
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was institute martial law and he didn't do any of those 10 things given the chance and all of our money he didn't do any of those things so that is the nuts and bolts of the disconnect and why was that well ho chi minh could not be controll…
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Ho Chi Minh cared about the Vietnamese people. The people that the United States and the French propped up in Vietnam didn't give a damn about the people in Vietnam. They didn't give a damn about them being flooded with opium and that their…
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Keep the entire thing secret off books and no one will even know we're doing it. So Chiang Kai-shek gave them the business model, not that they wouldn't have come up with it themselves, but he actually illustrated the business model that wa…
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were accustomed to simply accepting their lot and basically not questioning a political order. And Ho Chi Minh realized that that's what had got them into their colonialist occupation and wanted to change that. So he created Viet Minh, the …
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So some even became active in the French Communist Party that was founded in 1920. The best known nationalist, of course, is Ho Chi Minh, and his original name is Nguyen Sen Khun, C-U-N-G.…
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And he submitted a petition at the Paris Peace Conference at the end of World War II for Vietnamese independence, and everybody ignored it. Because France didn't want to give up the rubber plantations and the oil that they were gaining from…
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Ho Chi Minh had traveled both to Russia, or the Soviet Union at the time, and to China to basically see from the inside what exactly communism was, because he had heard all about it from the French. And he actually even attended a school in…
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they did begin increasing taxes to the highest levels the people in Vietnam had ever experienced. And it was this that gave birth to these different political parties and the rise of Ho Chi Minh. The cadres began to incite the peasants agai…
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reprisals from the French military, they were savage in anybody that showed any resistance to their authority at all. And this was much more prevalent in the South than it was in the North. Let's see. In January 1941, Ho Chi Minh returned f…
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in a cave in an area called Pac Bo, P-A-C space B-O, and began preparations to grow even more body parts for the Revolutionary Force. He announced that he was creating a Vietnamese Independence League, which is where Viet Minh got its name.…
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Its whole name was Vietnam Doc Lap Dong Minh Hoi. And that is Vietnamese for Vietnam Independence League. Viet Minh for short. M-I-N-H. Ho went to great lengths to make the Viet Minh an exclusive and inclusive confederation for the entire c…
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That's pretty much right on. Viet Minh's first chairman was a name, a guy by the name of Ho Gok Lam, L-A-M. And he wasn't a communist. He was 100%. He not went to all of these different places, nothing. He was a local guy that was going to …
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Which is really interesting if we were to believe all the things that was written about Ho Chi Minh, why wouldn't he actually step into the leadership immediately? He didn't because it wasn't about him. In reality, the Viet Minh was steered…
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That the time had come to remove the foreign aggressors and solve their political differences together. All right. And he left them with the ability to basically kind of bridge.…
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almost like a northern version or a Ho Chi Minh version of stay-behind units, kind of that thought process that were distributed throughout the South, which is where the French liked to hang out the most because it had better weather. The f…
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D-U-A-N. And again, keep in mind, I'm putting caveat or quotation marks on the communist part of it. A native of the southern provinces, Lee Duane, was active in these groups in the Mekong Delta region in the 1940s. And by the mid-50s, he w…
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guy in that area. And he actually traveled to the north to coordinate with Ho Chi Minh routinely as part of his apparatchik to kick the French out. He was kind of like his senior deployed general in the south under this nationalistic effort…
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Information about the guy, Le Duan, who was kind of like the military leader. Because he, let's see, during the 1940s and 50s, he basically, as I stated earlier, was kind of Ho Chi Minh's guy in the South.…
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And so he was very much, very animately opposed to that having happened. So he was also much more militant than Ho Chi Minh. He described the actions in Vietnam as a war of reunification because everybody here, except for the Americans and …
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of the winning effort from their perspective um and he eventually died in 1986 but there's he's very well thought of in vietnam you see him recognized not nearly as much as ho chi minh but he is recognized especially throughout the south li…
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Allowing us to be able to go back and actually look at the here's the criteria of what makes you a communist. Ho Chi Minh was not a communist, at least at this particular time in what all that we have discovered that he's advocating. He abs…
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excuse me, former OSS officers who had served with the Jedbirds and elsewhere went back to their homes, to law practices, to school, or some of them went back to their former army jobs. Teams from the OSS SSU were pulled out of Vietnam, whe…
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that the failure to invade China in the fight against communism forced the CIA to move its covert drug operations westward. The CIA's new focus on the fight against the Vietnamese, meaning Ho Chi Minh, as opium production in Burma, Thailand…
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not only the Laotians, but the Vietnamese to the French occupation. So again, these are all manifestations of colonialism. They already had a network of resistance fighters that they are then going to label as communists, just like they did…
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that they were going to reestablish it as a colony. And that decision that the U.S. went along with, by the way, was part and parcel of all of the turmoil that followed. The resistance kept increasing to include Ho Chi Minh, who was a hero …
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101 was hit over the plane of jars, but it made it back to Bangkok. The reconnaissance flight continued until May 1964, when they were belatedly authorized by a new administration that had came to power in the United States, meaning LBJ. Th…
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While Chiang Kai-shek is occupying them, by the way, because the CIA had every intention and they did to install a Catholic guy who left the country during the war and everybody hated. But they were going to pretend like he was president in…
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And so my entire head was blown when I found out it wasn't mainland China. It was, quote unquote, nationalist China, which is Chiang Kai-shek, that had basically went head to head with Ho Chi Minh, who had just been our best friends and had…
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They decided that we were going to go to war with Vietnam. They loved Ho Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh went to Paris with a constitution to set up a free country. But we were not going to allow that to happen. And we basically brought the French ba…
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For example, when he stated that despite the almost paranoid belief of the French representation that the OSS was working against France, the OSS only helped consolidate Washington's support for France. They were unanimous in believing that…
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spoke favorably of the Viet Minh, and that's the people of the North, and critically of the French atrocities in the post-war period. It observed that Ho Chi Minh was formally elected by a vast majority in an election of January 1946 and ad…
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Chiang to be able to continually fight Mao and take China back. It's very clear. You can read that all day long. So, you know, originally there was an attempt to do that as a result of the, and this is before the Korean War, okay? They real…
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because he fought so hard to get the Japanese out of Vietnam. And so their only hope of keeping Vietnam in order to be able to control the drug trade, because that's what this is all about, was to reinsert the French in the South and allow …
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actively, because you just heard that there was rumors about this. It wasn't just rumors. When we were doing the research for Vietnam, it was very clear that the U.S., in some very weird ways, helped the French not stay there. And I'm not t…
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They had given the ambassador Ho Chi Minh's little booklet where Ho Chi Minh basically tells his story of wanting to work with the U.S. and basically saying, hey, I'm not a communist. I wanted to institute the U.S. Constitution here, but yo…
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So the ambassador tells the kidnappers that he found it very interesting and wanted to discuss it with his guards. Wasn't it a blueprint in reverse for what these young men were doing, he asked. Ho wrote about rural warfare and they were en…
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As he spoke of Ho, hard to believe. As revolutionary ideas, they had been startling for, they had been around for 25 years. Yet, here was a veteran U.S. diplomat eager to probe and debate them as though Mao had never lived, that Shea didn't…
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had not written all of the things that he had written. And it just so happens that Ho had just died the week before. Elbrick's colleagues in the State Department could have assured them that his ignorance was genuine. In Elbrick's defense, …
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Marigalala, one of the kidnappers, had dedicated his booklet, which later won support among others to include some people in the United States, to three victims of the Brazilian military and police torture program. The ideas themselves, whe…
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Vietnam falls. All the dominoes will fall throughout the world. That means all democratically established republics will fall. And so we have to come to the aid of the Vietnamese. And here we also have the same situation where Ho Chi Minh h…
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The Viet Cong, Ho Chi Minh, these forces have attacked our naval ships in the Gulf of Tonkin. There are hundreds of dead sailors on the shores of the Gulf. It's an outright act against, and we haven't done anything to provoke this attack, b…