Operation Gladio - Vietnam Phoenix Program Part (4)

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0:00 Hey, y'all. How are you? Hope you're all having a great day. Thank you guys for showing up. It's always awesome to see, especially when you guys are so fast on the draw. All right. If you guys can repost out the space real quick, we're going to get started in just a second. How are you doing, Stellar?

0:35 Doing really well. Man, it was hard getting in here. I couldn't hear anything, so that's why I was bouncing in and out. I'm so happy you guys are here. Oh, my gosh. It's been crazy. I don't know if you were listening yesterday or you forgot to listen. The weirdest thing happened. Half of the people's mics were backwards. When they were muted, they actually could speak. And when they could speak or had it open on their end, it looked like it was open.

1:04 It was actually muted. Totally crazy stuff going on. I think that was everybody. And then, I don't know if you heard that, even the colonel was working with a document on Internet Archive, and they deleted it overnight. Are you serious? Absolutely. I don't know if you guys saw that from yesterday, but that was crazy. It shows that we are.

1:39 We're getting close to somebody here. You know, they are paying attention to us. But it's funny because when you look at, like, the statistical thing that it gives us, we're definitely being throttled back according to their numbers. And, I don't know, I'm seeing, actually, colonels showing up in my feed more often than I ever have. So, definitely, we are at war.

2:11 You know, and sometimes it's easy to forget that. But boy, you go to the grocery store and try and find anything healthy. And you realize we really are in a war. And you're fighting for your very life. Really amazing. But what a time to be alive. It really is. It truly is. I don't know if you guys saw Nicole Shanahan's post earlier. But I guess her people, you know.

2:39 which are now our people because we're all coming together, which I think is freaking phenomenal. I'm sorry. Oh my gosh. You know, MAGA is so loving to the MAHAS and the MAHAS are so open and loving to the MAGA. And it's like, you guys see, you know, they spent how many decades trying to divide us, making us thinking these little labels, you know, right, left, you know, black, white, Christian, Jewish, Muslim.

3:08 Everything that they've tried to separate us on, you know, and this movement of RFK coming together with DJT. Oh, my gosh. And she did a video about Trump TDS. And she says the cure. We found a cure and it's called independence. Amen. I mean, it's just what's so amazing right now. And like you said, it's just when you really stop and think about it.

3:36 It is mind-blowing because we're witnessing their biggest fear coming to life. And that is us all locking together arms and turning against the real enemy. And it is their biggest fear. It has been for years, you know. Just amazing. So I want to make a point about the suppression. Not sure what's going on with Colonel?

4:08 Can you hear her? Can you hear her? She was talking. Oops. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Colonel, she can't hear her. Sorry. Yeah. She only talked over me like five times. Let me bring her back up. That's hilarious. All right. Stella, I'm going to put you as co-host as well. Okay. So I had someone.

4:40 send me a post. Well, first of all, let me make my first point. The first point is when we were talking about suppression or Bridget was talking and I was trying to talk near me. I am sorry. I thought I thought there was something wrong with your connection, but it was my connection. I think it's hilarious that they do that. So we have now on X.

5:10 19,500 people. And on a normal day when I don't do a long thread, I get the exact same engagement that I got when I had 3,000. And that's physically not possible because my inbox or whatever you call it, notifications.

5:37 Is like a mile long of people liking, commenting and all of that stuff, even on a normal day. So now with all of those people in there. So there's definitely something going on. And every once in a while, if I put out a request for you guys just to go.

6:02 find something on my timeline and put hashtag Operation Gladio. It breaks it. And then for the next few days, we get completely different numbers. And then it goes right back. It's like a dance. I mean, it's crazy because it does seem like they're, I mean, they level it up at certain times and they level it down other times. It's like we break it, break through when you get responses. They don't ever.

6:32 It's only when the people all post something where it breaks it and then it'll be normal for a couple of days. And then it's almost like they realize, oh, my God, she's back up there showing in people's feed. So let's do something again. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We're making a difference. That's what matters at the end of the day. So what I wanted to say is that someone had sent me. Can you hear me?

7:03 Yes. Ah, it's still backwards. Okay. That's what I needed to know. Thank you. Sure. Oh, and real quick before Colonel Counter starts, could you guys please repost the space so we can get as many people in here as we can? Apparently I was just.

7:19 texted that they're closing some bridges in Kentucky and she's coming in later to talk. So if you guys could please repost the space, there's a lot of stuff going on. The spaces in Colonel Towner, Cousin It, and Bridget are being suppressed. So please repost, please repost. Thank you. Okay. So I found it very interesting that someone forwarded me a post by a person called Bow Tide Morrow.

7:49 M-A-R-A. And I'm going to read you the post, and I'm going to tell you why it's a piece of shit. It says, former member of a terrorist group, Red Brigades, arrested in Argentina. Almost half a century after the murder of former Italian Prime Minister Aldo Mauro, a former member of the communist terrorist group, Red Brigades, has been arrested in Argentina. The Italian government and police in Rome announced this today.

8:18 responsible for the kid's death tomorrow. The Italian Leonardo Bertola Lazzi has been arrested following the withdrawal of his status as a recognized refugee by Argentina authorities. Italian police say, says that he belonged to the Genoese branch of the Red Brigades, which kidnapped a shipowner in 1977. The terrorist group allegedly used ransom.

8:48 to buy a flat in Rome. And I'm not going to read the rest. We've already covered Aldo Morrow's kidnapping and murder. It was absolutely not the Red Brigade. And it was Operation Gladio that did that. Later on, there was established fact that led to that. Also, what has been disclosed since 1990 and today.

9:18 is that much of the Red Brigade was infiltrated with the SDECE and the New Order. You guys remember us talking about that. And the people that originally joined the fake Red Brigades, I'm just going to faux Red Brigade, whatever you want to call it.

9:42 were basically people after having lived under Mussolini that were looking for a more labor party kind of labor party as opposed to the right that the CIA installed in Italy. And what they labeled the right, it wasn't the right. They were fascist. And so I just think it's hilarious. After 70 years, they pretend like the revelations that came out in the 1990s in Italy didn't even happen. And they're still trying to sell.

10:11 the world on the fact that it was the Red Brigades when it absolutely was not. And that was just posted today. And so when I made a response to it, like you're full of shit, that ain't what happened at all. An Italian responded to it and said, yeah, I still can't wrap my head around how that was allowed to happen. P2 and Operation Gladio had Italy by the balls.

10:43 And someone else replied saying, yeah, they still are falling for the psyops decades later with their hand face planted in their head. So at least some people know. And again, the word's getting out, but I just think it's hilarious that they're still holding on to that. You know, it's the communist thing. So anyway, I want to get both of those things out of the way.

11:11 And I'm going to go ahead and start from where we left off yesterday. And I have posted on my timeline a few other things that came up today that are absolutely the Phoenix program. There was a video that was posted about a California sheriff talking about things that were happening out there.

11:42 And if you if you can look through my timeline and find it, I highly encourage you to do it. It's just laughable. I actually tagged the sheriff's department on the post and said, yeah, it's the Phoenix program. You might want to go look that up if you want to figure out how to defeat it. And the same thing is happening if you. So.

12:04 Remember what I told you about them moving the million people from the north into the south to destabilize the south to get rid of all the people that would support a unified election? And basically, you know, in in Vietnam, in the preparation for implementing Phoenix program, isn't that exactly what they're doing with the rest of the world, bringing them into America to destabilize America? And they're using the basically the same thing, the religious NGOs like the H.

12:34 AIC and the Catholic Charities. They're doing the exact same thing to us that they did to the Vietnamese. And I don't know why people can't see it. It's so freaking obvious. Anyway, okay. How the insurgencies were organized is essential to understanding how Phoenix operated, which targeted specifically against the leadership in the VCI.

13:04 At the top of the VCI organizational chart was a central office in South Vietnam. There was an executive committee that answered to a quote-unquote unification department in Hanoi. From its headquarters along the Cambodian border, this organization directed the activities of the People's Revolutionary Party.

13:33 the National Liberation Front, and the Liberation Army, which the South called the Viet Cong, as basically an insult to the Viet Minh who were the nationalists. So this organization had marching orders to set up six regional committees in the South and basically try to create an isolation zone around Saigon.

14:03 The province committees in turn directed the subordinate units. They tried to get people into all of the villages, blah, blah, blah. The National Liberation Front sought to mobilize the people through organizations and associations encompassing all aspects of the life. The NLF coordinated with the other groups throughout South Vietnam.

14:31 as well as the central authorities in the north. When operations were mounted against it, the central committee slipped into what was referred to as the Iron Triangle north of Saigon and into the famous Coochie Tunnels. Regardless of where it was headquartered, the NLF was most viable at the grassroots level because, again, it was a nationalist party.

15:00 And these people were the same people that had fought against the Japanese and the French before it. It was a loyal organization that didn't want anyone else in the country except for their fellow Vietnamese. There were farmers associations. There were women associations and there were youth associations all encompassed in here. And initially.

15:30 There were only people that was from the North associated with the leadership of this organization, but they began to allow other people outside of just like the Hanoi area as they began to get trained. So they're basically building up, the North is building up an insurgency capability to go into the South.

16:00 target the Phoenix program that was being set up by the U.S. CIA and the military. So the VCI duty expert had the name of Robert Slater, S-L-A-T-E-R. He was a Marine captain on a contract to the CIA from 1967 to 1969.

16:33 And he wrote, quote, in over three years in Vietnam, I knew of no province party secretary ever being captured, unquote. Why were they so hard to kill? And then he says, quote, since he is the most important Viet Cong slash Viet Minh committee member in the province.

16:57 Access to him is limited to province and district committee members only. This is to prevent any attempted assassination by the U.S., unquote. High on the list of these district party secretaries in Slater's words were, quote, the indispensable link to the region, the province, and the village, unquote.

17:22 Armed and always on the move, the DPS usually does not sleep in the same house or even the same hamlet where his family lives. This precludes injury to his family during assassination attempts or U.S. raids. Such precautions did not always work.

17:40 Slater goes on to say, quote, the allies have frequently found out where district party secretaries live and raided their homes. In an ensuing firefight, the secretary's wife and children are slaughtered, unquote. The village party secretary was another primary target. Traveling alone to Hamlets to conduct person-to-person business in rice paddies, cafes, and barbershops, they were always a target.

18:07 Managing Revolutionary Intelligence Operations in South Vietnam was an entity called the Central Research Agency. It reported to the National Defense Committee in Hanoi in conjunction with the Reunification Department. So you had these, they basically are setting up their own kind of a tracking system, just like the U.S. was doing in the South.

18:35 These guys were doing it in the South as well, kind of to countermand what was happening. So introduced into the South Vietnam in the 1960s as an insurgency security service was an entity called NINH, A-N and then a separate word N-I-N-H. It was composed mainly of North Vietnamese agents who reported to Hanoi's.

19:03 public security. Ann N. investigated VCI members suspected of being double agents or defectors from its headquarters. The Ann N. ran intelligence nets, propaganda campaign, and counter-espionage operations at the village level. They drew up blacklists of double agents, manning reconnaissance teams that kidnapped and assassinated people.

19:32 More than any other branch in the shadow government in the South, the ANNN was responsible for destabilizing the U.S. operations. Ralph Johnson called it the glue that held the North together. The ANNN were the CIA's arch enemy and, ironically, the model for its Phoenix coordinators. Indeed, as the CIA

20:00 saw how the insurgency was organized, it structured a counterinsurgency to mirror it. Unable to admit the nationalism was the cause of the insurrection and that the U.S. was viewed as the intruder, the CIA instead argued that the communists were the invader and that its selective use of terror compelled the Vietnamese.

20:26 Vietnamese people to support the insurgency led by the U.S., which is absolutely a bold-faced lie. As William Colby testified before Congress, the implication or latent threat of force alone was sufficient to ensure that the people would comply with the North. And again, absolute bullshit. In drumming up public support in America for military intervention, the CIA portrayed all armed sects

20:55 as communist puppets. And because the agency asserted that the quote-unquote people were not behind the insurgents, but were mindless peasants who had been coerced by a clever mix of propaganda and terror to actually like the people in the North that wanted a unified Vietnam, and that it was the propaganda that led them to their anger against Diem's dictatorship.

21:25 And therefore, they should be ignored in any calculation of whether or not the U.S. used force. And you see that's 180 degrees out from what we have learned is actually happening there. So, and they use that as the reason that they couldn't just give land to these people or hold an election because they were stupid. And therefore, they had to have a dictatorship.

21:59 It did not have to end preferential treatment for Catholics, curb police corruption, or discipline any of the soldiers, however. Those people were all just fine. All grievances were dismissed as smoke and mirrors, disguising the criminal ambitions, excuse me, they were disguised as being done by the communists. This provisionist view is what Stanley Naro called, quote, the myth.

22:28 that the Viet Cong were essentially an indigenous and autonomous insurgent movement, unquote. The revisionist argued that the communists had recognized the legitimate grievances of the people, then adapted their organization to exploit the people. Having gained toeholds in the villages, they used selective terror to eliminate the South's authority and frighten the people.

22:56 which again is just the exact opposite of what was happening. Key to the revisionist theory was the notion that the selective terror was a more effective social control than the South suppressive terror that the CIA was perpetrating, which only fanned the revolutionary fires in the South. Violence will work.

23:21 against the user unless he has already preempted a large part of the population, and then that limits his acts of violence to just a particular group of minority. That's a quote from one of the guys over there. Ironically, by using selective terror effectively, the South handed the CIA the rationale, or excuse me, the North handed the CIA this.

23:53 rationale to develop its own counterterrorism team. Well, they used it anyway. By announcing the formation of the NLF in a bid for political legitimacy, just as the notion of killing off your enemy's civilian leadership was being advanced, the VCI, which is the North, offered itself as a target. Meanwhile, as the CIA became aware of what political warfare entailed, Dem and his brother knew.

24:22 began to be perceived as liabilities. Convinced that William Colby had organized the November 1960 coup attempt, New prohibited his followers from talking to any CIA agent. This edict threw a wrench in the CIA's attempt to organize everything. And in May 1961, Ambassador Elbridge Durbo, who we went over yesterday, asked them to abolish

24:51 the Can Lao, claiming it denied advancement to the majority of Vietnamese and nullified democratic reforms. Unwilling to divest himself of his power base, Dem refused to do it and instead sought to appease the Americans by authorizing a statute legalizing the creation of a central intelligence organization, a move Colby credits as the beginning of the Phoenix program. Station Chief Colby then directed Raymond Babineau.

25:21 B-A-B-I-N-E-A-U, to provide the people and the equipment required to put the CIO in business. Colonel Nguyen Van Nguyen was named chief. A building in Saigon was selected as its headquarters, and he recruited his staff from the Can Lao that included General Tran Thien Kiem, K-H-I-E-M. The man...

25:51 eventually managed Phoenix. And Nguyen Van Thao, an army colonel who eventually became the president of South Vietnam. Not limited. So the guys that are running Phoenix, let's just clarify that, ends up in the leadership after they kill off, eventually, after they kill off Dem. Not limited to the coordination of police and military intelligence, the CIO.

26:20 also managed political and foreign intelligence operations, and they became the nerve center for the coordination of Phoenix. Knowing that the single-minded Americans would carry the fight against the North, Dem, through his spymaster, Dr. Tuen, T-U-Y-E-N, and the Office of Political and Social Studies, redoubled his attack against his domestic opponents.

26:51 again, murder all of the people internally that's going to oppose you. And this is exactly what we saw happening in Korea with Ri, right? At the beginning of that whole operation, he killed all of his domestic in the South opponents. That's exactly what Dem's doing. Tuon feared that Dem's failings would bring about a communist takeover. So he was very hesitant to do anything that Dem told him to.

27:18 Ironically, he filled his faction with dissenters he had blacklisted, and he also attracted disgruntled junior officers, almost like they're setting up the coup. He teamed up with a Colonel Pham Ngoc Thao. Unaware that Thao's clandestine communist ties to the North, Thao's followers included a young Air Force pilot by the name of Nugent K.Y.

27:47 His name is spelled C-A-O and his second name K-Y. Believing Thao to be trustworthy, Nua appointed him to manage the Hamlet program. That's like the tiny little village program, which replaced the Agrago program. Remember where they moved everybody onto those little islands and put a moat around them and forced them to live there and farm for the greater good?

28:16 you know, kind of like communists themselves. Thus, by forcing Dem and New into greater dependence on reactionary programs and a North double agent, the formation of the CIO in 1961 further hastened the demise of the No regime. Meanwhile, in order to stem the tide of cheap little wars of liberation, Khrushchev over in the USSR promised to bury the West.

28:45 President John F. Kennedy formed a National Security Council special group to manage U.S. counterinsurgency efforts in Vietnam and elsewhere. A special assistant for covert activities was assigned to the chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, and that happened to be former Lansdell aide General William Rothen, R-O-S-S-O-N. He was made the special warfare assistant to the Army's chief of staff and the CIA.

29:15 got its new headquarters in Langley. All you got to do is fight a war and you get something big as a prize in the military-industrial complex. When September 1961 rolled around, NM Terror Squad decapitated a Catholic priest. President Kennedy, ignoring troop limits set by the Geneva Accord, rushed in Special Forces Advisor

29:45 to the South Vietnamese. Now, what I have been told is that it is likely that that could have been a provocation that they did to get that response from President Kenney, knowing that he was a Catholic, knowing that the Catholics, especially the priest structure within South Vietnam.

30:15 Because the locals viewed them as responsible for that mass migration to the South and the destabilization program, there was a lot of the non-Catholic indigenous people that viewed the Catholic Church with kind of the suspicion. We'll just leave it at that.

30:44 This could have been an agent provocateur that did this in order to get the strength because Kennedy was very much against putting people into Vietnam. So the 704th Military Intelligence Group arrives almost immediately and begins advising the Military Security Service and the Army sent its first province advisor to Vietnam. That supplemented.

31:12 the advisory group that was already there, the CIA PSYOP war and the paramilitary officers that had been brought over by Lansdell from the Philippines. Remember them? They're all there. So they all had big ideas on what they needed to be doing. And they had lots of money to be thinking about what it was that they were going to do.

31:40 And it says all of these people converged on Vietnam from Cuba, because, you know, we've got the exile Cubans still in Miami to be used. Africa, because we've got a lot of Gladio people down there from the OAS, from the Algerian War and other places. Greece, because Greece had been taken over in a coup with Gladio.

32:08 forces, and you had the five colonels installed. Well, one colonel ended up being the leader, but the five colonels overthrew the Greece government. They came in from Korea, which we've already talked about. We know there's a whole bunch of them there because they created the stay-behind units in the north. They came in from the Philippines, which we talked about them because Lansdale brought them. They came in from Laos, and they came in from Indonesia.

32:33 By the end of 1962, nearly 12,000 American soldiers were in South Vietnam flying helicopters, dropping napalm, spraying Agent Orange, advising battalions, patrolling rivers, the coast, conducting behind-the-line missions, and mounting anti-infrastructure operations that included attacks on Dems' political opposition. The counterinsurgency had begun. The dynamics of this

33:03 political warfare as conceived by the North and then copied by the CIA revolved around arming propaganda teams. In the South, a Viet Cong armed propaganda team would enter a village at dusk. The cadre, being friendly, would go to all of the different people, the different huts, whatever, introducing themselves.

33:29 They would then gather everyone together for entertainment, old, like ancient kind of ritualistic kind of stuff that made them feel more Vietnamese and less Western if they had converted to Catholicism or whatever. That's kind of what they're doing. They're trying to drum up sympathy for Vietnam. They would give a lecture on how...

33:59 the Americans were napalming their crops and killing all of the vegetation, which they were in fact doing, and that there were diseases that had began spreading through the Vietnamese villages because these people had never been outside of Vietnam. Most of them had never been outside of their villages except for the million that they brought down from the north.

34:28 So being around Americans and some of these other countries were giving them diseases that they had never had. So the North exploited that. Next came the, let's see, an attempt to recruit the people into clandestine cells slash guerrilla units to create basically an information net. As this went along,

35:00 the armed propaganda team would return to the village to do this over a period of time several times. And it usually, there would be, depending on the response they got, the North could get violent. And they would put on basically like a mock court.

35:32 in order to try to get people to their side. The message was clear. The CIA determined early that the economic advantage of this village-level selective terror approach would work for them as well. Only when selective terror was used by the CIA, it was called counterterror. The origin of the CIA's counterterrorist doctrine in South America

36:01 could be traced to one guy, Ralph Johnson. He's from Chicago. He was part of the Flying Tigers that we saw during World War II that worked with Chiang Kai-shek and William Polly, because remember, William Polly was the financial backer to the Flying Tigers. And he basically never met a woman that he wasn't interesting in.

36:31 uh, interested in whining and dining. Um, so, um, he also decided that one of the guys that's in the government of the South Nugent, uh, K Y, um, he had an affair with his wife. Um, so he was also described by some of the, um, senior military people as a snake oil salesman.

37:03 Johnson dubbed his counterterror doctrine as Contre Coup. And in the Phoenix program, there's a document called the Phoenix Program Planned Assassination or Legitimate Conflict Management. And that's the name of the document. And it describes it as turning the communist terrorist strategy, which had proven effective, into a U.S. Saigon pacification strategy. In other words, pacify.

37:30 the program that the North was already imposing. CIA officer Johnson formulated his theory in the Philippines in the 50s, which is where Lansdale was, you remember. They also used it in Indonesia in 1957 and 58 prior to the failed Sukarno coup, which later on they're successful at. His cover

37:58 Having been blown in Jakarta, Indonesia, he was then posted to Laos and assigned to a northern village bordering the China-North Vietnamese border. So he was working undercover for who? Oh, the AID. He's really a CIA agent, and he was embedded as if he was working as a civilian NGO in the Agency International Development, which is the precursor to USAID.

38:28 And this is another reason why it is so important to read this stuff and understand our history. So when anybody talks to you today about the USAID, your brain needs to go equals CIA in every case. USAID equals CIA. In the mid-1960s, shortly before the Buddhist crisis, Johnson was transferred to WHO, H-U-E.

38:57 to serve as a CIA officer in charge of the South Vietnamese northern provinces to implement a program like he had created in Laos. In staffing the pilot program they created, Johnson and his CIA colleagues spotted, vetted, and hired qualified military and police officers as agents. These Vietnamese nationalists were detached from the military or the police to serve at the pleasure of local authorities.

39:26 Such as this arrangement enabled Johnson and the Vietnamese Army Captain Le Hon Mai to devise the Mountain Scouts, a political action program employing tactics and techniques that Johnson had copied from other assignments and perfected in Laos. So one of the CIA...

39:53 officers there, Stu Methven, M-E-T-H-V-E-N, who followed Johnson from Laos to Hu in early 1961. The Mountain Scouts were a unilateral CIA operation managed by CIA-funded province and district chiefs. The Scouts were composed of Hong tribesmen recruited by Vietnamese agents.

40:23 In the CIA's, they called them yards and their Vietnamese officers were then organized into 15 man teams. And like the VC armed propaganda teams, they had paramilitary and political action capabilities. Their job was to make the GVN.

40:51 felt outside the district capitals, like out in the field. Once inside a village that they felt was under the control of the Viet Cong, the Mountain Scout political officer would denounce the communist and make a pro-GBN speech that had been co-written between Johnson and Mai. Other team members would take a census and make a map of the village.

41:19 If possible, the team returned with defectors and left people in the village to be informers. And if they found any Viet Cong there, they documented cases where they would behead them and put their head on a pole. The latter was basically considered a terror counter function.

41:53 and was done by their paramilitary element. Now, a special assistant to the vice president for the Center of Naval Analysis, Methin, the guy that was in charge of all of this, co-managed the Mountain Scout program with Ralph Johnson from 61 to 62 to counter what he perceived as rampant Viet Cong terror.

42:17 Methven began extracting the most aggressive individuals from mountain scout teams and hiring mercenaries, often Vietnamese criminals or Chinese criminals, to act as counter-terrorists and to do to the Viet Cong and their propaganda teams what was being done to the South by the North. With the creation of these counter-terror teams, the 2nd of Phoenix

42:45 foundations was set in place. Ralph Johnson defines the counterterrorism team as small teams, particularly well-trained, aggressive, and consisting of a large percentage of former Viet Cong who had become disillusioned and were now violently anti-Viet Cong, designed like SWAT units employed by the police department of any major city. The counterterror teams

43:11 were constituted of 5 to 20 people whose mission was to collect intelligence and arrest Viet Cong leaders. The max strength, the counterterror team, never totaled more than 3,500 people all over the South. But because of the CIA support and the need to protect not only team members but their families from Viet Cong reprisals, the mystery and secrecy was high around these units.

43:42 They're basically describing a stay-behind kind of capability that they're dropping into these hamlets around South Vietnam of these trained insurgent people. They're just calling them counterterror teams. So in 1962, three separate distinct programs began to be developed and employed, political action, paramilitary, and counterintel.

44:10 At that point, Ralph Johnson was transferred to Saigon as an advisor to the government officials down there. And the CIA station chief of covert action, Cliff Strathern, S-T-R-A-T-H-E-R-N, was assigned Methvin to task the selling of this mountain scout program to all of the province chiefs around and deployed.

44:39 like dozens of CIA contract officers to help with the whole implementation. So selling the Mountain Scout program to province chief, what he called fostering local initiatives was easy. Methvin recalled, quote, because we gave them money and supplies. We bought them, you know, no big deal. Province chiefs also found the program attractive because it was a unilateral CIA operation.

45:07 and not under the South's control. And because having these teams under their control strengthened the hand of the province chiefs against the central government. The expanding Mountain Scout program, Methvin noted, the military advisory group was their biggest supporter. But in return for logistics support, the military advisory group assumed control and being less concerned about political action.

45:38 than anybody else, the military advisors began transforming the Mountain Scout program and other paramilitary teams from defense to offense. Blame it on the military. Way to go, CIA. The CIA, however, did not forsake its political action and its counterterror mission. And while the military advisory group increased in size under its control, the CIA purpose...

46:05 purposely kept its counterterrorism and political action to a very small group of people. With the militarization of the Mountain Scout program, hunter-killer teams first appeared on the scene. They were composed of two or three Montagnards, or mercenaries, and one or two American advisors. The hunter teams penetrated enemy areas.

46:31 And gathered intel, conducted kidnapping and assassination, snatch and grab operations. Now, this is what we started the whole thing off with, with that guy telling about his mission. And he killed the wrong people in that. This is the program. This Mountain Scout program is what he was involved in.

46:54 So these hunter teams, which performed the quote-unquote counter-terror missions, stumbled on large enemy troop concentrations. They called in the killer teams in black, unmarked helicopters provided by the CIA. Although they worked in tandem, hunter teams were not under the operational control of the killer teams. Also at this time, the CIA began using selective terror, not just to do it to the Viet Cong, but to anyone that was getting in their way.

47:25 Knowing that an act of selective terror against one Montagnard would send the whole village scurrying to a refugee center or a strategic hamlet where they would then be recruited into these teams, the counterterror teams began disguising themselves as Viet Cong and blaming the Viet Cong for doing their terrorist mission.

47:53 in order to further alienate these southern villagers from the Viet Cong. Sounds exactly like a Gladio operation to me, where, like we were just talking about, in Italy, the Gladio operators disguised themselves as Red Brigades and carried out all of their terror missions. That's exactly what we're describing here, people. However, as became increasingly clear during the early 1960s,

48:21 Organizing favorable minorities through this group program was not enough to stem the Northern's success at the operational mission. So through arrogance and repression, Dem had alienated the entire Buddhist majority of the South, and even his generals began plotting against him. Meanwhile, the NLF was organizing more and more Buddhist villages.

48:50 And the CIA was failing to do likewise on behalf of the GBN. So the GBN could not create a viable underground apparatus in order to make this whole thing work and appear sympathetic because they had only put into the leadership all of the rich bourgeois people that had basically been paid off by the French to keep the French in power. So nobody liked them.

49:18 The Viet Cong and the CIA both, for the purpose of political action, did several things. They were trying to expand influence through propaganda and civic action. They were trying to organize villagers to fight against the other side. And the CIA had to create cadres that were every bit as motivated as the Viet Cong, but they couldn't because,

49:48 The Viet Cong was fighting for the unity of their country where basically the CIA had a bunch of paid actors. You're never going to get the same result with those two populations. According to William Colby, quote, the armed propaganda team has a number of former Viet Cong who are recruited to work for you. Their function is to go around the countryside and indicate to the people that they used.

50:18 That used to be Viet Cong and that the government had has received them and taking them in. So basically they're pretending to be northerners and saying that they converted trying to convince other people to do the same. That's basically what they're saying. Again, such bullshit. So.

50:43 That was one of the tactics that they used. And then they would take these people to refugee centers and basically start propagandizing them, trying to turn them into snitches and all of that type of stuff. So he said, Colby said that communication was essential part of this plan.

51:09 And what he tried basically said to understand political warfare and how Phoenix fits into the whole context, it's essential to first understand the role of language. In its broadcast, in its broadest political warfare application, language that is the means by which governments use disinformation, change public opinions, and they basically...

51:39 are using, like, remember Lansdale was from the PR world, they are using slogans and packaging to sell this entire BS narrative. And basically waging psychological warfare is the bottom line to the whole thing. And, of course, we see that happening in the United States ad nauseum. The Viet Cong used language to peddle...

52:10 social justice type narrative. And this is in the words of Valentine. I don't know, because all of these stuff that I've read about Ho Chi Minh, he actually wanted the land back from the rubber, like Michelin from the West and from the French that had confiscated and created these.

52:39 bourgeois elements of society there under the propping up of their fake Vietnamese leaders for the colonial exploitation of Vietnam. He, like Allende and many of these other leaders that we've come across, like Lumumba, they actually, when given a chance before they're assassinated, actually did implement

53:08 much of these land reform building schools and doing those types of things. So you can judge it for whatever it's worth. But in the West, we were never given what their actual agenda was. We were given a label, communist. And that is part, which is what I'm explaining to you right now, that was part of the propaganda campaign.

53:35 that was not just waged inside of these countries. We were all propagandized. We were all lied to. We were all told how to think about these things and what to think because of disinformation and misinformation. And you saw that turned on its head during the entire Trump administration.

53:57 Where they took everything that they have ever done in every one of these operations and accused the Trump administration of doing it when, in fact, they were still doing it. And that's kind of the irony of all of this. If you go back and you learn how they did this, you will never be tricked again because you will see it while they're doing it. And that's the importance.

54:23 And you guys hear me say this all the time, and I'm just going to stand on the soapbox for one more minute. Language is so important. The entire CIA lived and died by language. Words matter. And that's why I don't, I insist on people recognizing things. And I don't care if you don't use international syndicate.

54:53 But you can't use blob. I'm sorry, you just can't. That's like jello. They are not jello. They're evil. And the same thing with Operation Gladio and making them call it that. The same thing with coup. It is not a color revolution. That's a made-up CIA term so you don't actually look up coups. Don't fall for that, Mike Benz. Okay.

55:25 Love him to death. He's doing a great job. But language matters. And I wish somebody would explain that to him. All right. So, for example, the Viet Cong used language to peddle a totalitarian state in the guise of social justice. And I don't agree with that. They may have actually been about social justice, but whatever. We'll never know.

55:55 While language allowed Ed Lansdale to wrap the dim dictatorship in the robe of Jesus Christ because they harped on the fact that he was a Catholic forever, and to sell that then as a democracy, got to love that word. The difference in Vietnam, of course, was that the Viet Cong flung their slogans at the rural population, saying that they were going to distribute land for the landless.

56:24 while Lansdell declared that Christ had moved south. That was their PR slogan. And basically, they had used that same slogan inside the United States. Well, they never explained inside the United States that Christ moving south was them actually picking up through a psychological terror campaign a million people and moving them south.

56:55 That didn't come out anywhere, but that's in fact what he did. Lansdale was not unaware of what he was doing. The first objective in a covert action program is to create plausible deniability, specifically in the South, and to cloak the CIA's role in what they were doing. The CIA did this by composing and planting distorted articles in foreign and domestic newspapers. What? Operation Mockingbird?

57:23 and by composing official communiques, which appeared to have originated from the GBN itself. This disinformation campaign led predisposed Americans to believe that the GBN was a legitimately elected representative government, which it was not. And that was a condition which was necessary for the massive aid programs that the CIA was going to extort out of Congress.

57:53 And the language perpetrated, continued the myth that Americans were the GVN's advisors, not its manufacturer, and public support was rallied as a result. So we set up the puppet government. We brought them in, installed him.

58:24 forbid a unifying election per the Geneva Accords from occurring, and then we come back to America and sold the entire thing as if he was elected. Next, the CIA judges a covert action program on its intelligence potential, its ability to produce information, such as where the enemy is, its military, its economic infrastructure, blah, blah, blah.

58:50 This is why CIA covert action branch operates as an intel arm among its civic action. What makes these intelligence operations covert is not allowing the enemy any information about it. And also the CIA's ability to deny that they have any involvement in them in America. For example.

59:21 During the Senate hearings into the CIA assassination plots against Fidel Castro and other foreign leaders, quote, plausible deniability was defined by the CIA deputy director of operations, Richard Bissell, as the use of euphemisms in discussions where precise definitions would expose covert action, you know, beat around the bush.

59:44 The Church Committee report says in November 1962, the proposal for a new covert action program to overthrow Castro was developed. The president's assistant, Richard Goodwin, and General Edward Lansdale, there's that twit again, who was experienced in counterinsurgency operations, played major staff roles in creating this program. It was called Operation Mongoose.

1:00:10 A special group was created to oversee Mongoose, and Lansdell was made its chief of operations. Those operations included assassination, or the favored term, executive action. The memo written by Lansdell and introduced during the hearing in part states, quote, attack on the cadre of the regime, including key leaders, should be a

1:00:39 Special target operation. CIA defector operations are vital here. Gangster elements might prove the best recruitment potential for actions against police officials, unquote. When questioned about his language, Lansdale testified the word actions and attack actually meant killing. He also testified that criminal...

1:01:08 were contracted to use in the attack against Castro. They love that. He euphemistically called these gangsters the Caribbean Survey Group. There's that word again. They love them some surveys. Later, to ensure plausible deniability, the CIA conducted covert action under cover of proprietary companies, fake companies, like Air America and the Freedom Company.

1:01:38 through veterans and businesses and other fronts like NGOs. As in the case of fake news articles and official communiques, the idea is to use disinformation to suggest initiatives fostering positive values like freedom, patriotism, brotherhood, the word democracy, while doing dirty deeds behind the scenes. In CIA jargon, this is called black propaganda.

1:02:08 and is the job of political and psychological officers in covert action branch. The psychological and political officers played a major role in packaging Phoenix for sale to the American people. And their big slogan was the Phoenix program was going to be used to, quote, protect the people from terrorism, unquote. So the CIA told America.

1:02:37 that they were using the Phoenix program to protect Vietnamese against terrorism by using terrorism against Vietnamese. The language in its narrowest political warfare application is used to create actors, spies, and basically to break the enemy's will. But having worked on the inside, you understand that...

1:03:06 defectors were also the most accurate and timely source of intelligence on the entity they were defecting from because they had just been there. For that reason, they made also the best trackers and guides, blah, blah, blah. After defecting, many returned immediately to the area of operation with a reaction force to locate hidden enemy arms and arms caches. Huh, like Operation Gladio.

1:03:35 Others, upon turning themselves in, were screened and interrogated by security officers. Once they decided to join the CIA side, they obviously started generating leads that needed to be researched and defectors who returned to their former positions inside the enemy military units as now basically a spy.

1:04:04 were provided with secure means of contacting their case officer, who they fed information to about arrest and ambush opportunities. So these case officers were monitoring the defector program for potential recruits, also conducted CIA-advised political re-education camps for all of the people that were quote-unquote defecting.

1:04:32 recycled wrongdoers were transformed by CIA advisors into counter-terrorists and political action cadres. So they began using all of these people and they used the special forces camps and CIA safe houses in order to conduct these re-education camps. So they had political and psychological warfare people.

1:05:00 that were leading the counterinsurgencies in the first part of the 1960s. And they were under the cover of an entity called Civic Action, which gave everybody plausible deniability that it absolutely, under no circumstances, was the CIA. So it also says that an entire battalion was recruited out of the Saigon prison.

1:05:30 in order to create one of these units. Dang, that sounds familiar. Aren't we importing criminals from prisons all over the world? The importance of information management in political warfare also meant a larger role in Vietnam for the U.S. Information Services, which we know is also a front for CIA. Ostensibly, the overseas branch of the U.S. Information Agency

1:05:59 was going to perform the same type of propaganda. It was just going to pretend like it's another entity. And they brought in the quote-unquote American Way crusade, basically setting up TVs, radio stations, satellites, posters, all of that crap. The information services officer most deeply involved in Phoenix was Frank Scotton.

1:06:29 C-O-T-T-O-N. He was a graduate of American University's College of International Relations, got and received a U.S. government graduate assistantship, whatever the hell that is. Oh, my gosh, to the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii. Now, let me just tell you that we've come across the East-West Center of the university because there's another one. Well, there's several of these.

1:06:57 This is one of the places where the CIA sponsors scholarships that they bring people in from all over the theater, like for in this case, it would be all over the East. So Asia into Hawaii and they recruit from them while they're there pretending to. Well, they're there as a student and the CIA pretends like they're they poses other people, faculty members.

1:07:26 The entire thing is lined with CIA officers and they groom the students there on quote unquote scholarships from all these foreign countries to pick out who they want to target as a CIA spy when they go back to their home country. We found a lot of people. Well, I found a lot of people when I was doing that Nugent Hand. They had a branch of Nugent Hand Bank in Hawaii.

1:07:56 Several of the New Japan Hawaiian Bank branch people came from this organization, the East West Center. So about the CIA-sponsored East West Center, Scott instead in an interview with Doug Valentine, the guy that wrote this book, it was a cover for a training program in which Southwest Asians were brought to Hawaii, trained, they go back to Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. This is his actual words.

1:08:27 to create Agent Net, unquote, just like what I said. After passing the Foreign Service exam, Scotton was persuaded by a patron to join the Information Service, which dealt with people and observed them from a distance, which is basically kind of like what the CIA does, as well as setting up radio stations, television stations, and that type of thing.

1:08:57 Scotton was a very outgoing, charismatic person, and he had basically traveled all over Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, all those things. And let's see, when Doug Valentine got to meet this guy, Scotton, he was introduced to him by William Colby.

1:09:28 And he said that he had just been on a mission where they eliminated a bunch of Khmer Rouge guerrillas with the CIA. So, according to Scotton, he arrived in Saigon in November 1962. He met and was, let's see, he was met by Everett Bumgartner.

1:09:58 B-U-M-G-A-R-T-N-E-R, who was the chief of the U.S. Information Services field operations in Vietnam. A Lansdale disciple, Bumgartner had launched wanted posters and defector programs in Laos in 54 and implemented similar programs in Vietnam after he arrived there in 59. Just a little bit more and then we're going to stop for the day. Bumgartner.

1:10:28 introduced, gotten to John Paul Vann, the senior advisor to the 7th Division, this whole mission, and also Colonel Tran Ngoc Chau, C-H-A-U, who was a controversial province chief. Oh, yes. And that's the guy that went to, they brought him to the United States and trained him at Fort Bragg.

1:10:58 And while he was there, his roommate was Nugent Van Thou, the guy that we were just talking about. So Chow was a CIA asset who, in 1962, had finished a six-year tour as the South Psychological Warfare Service. Over the next 10 years, Chow's relationship with Scott and Bumgartner and Van

1:11:28 came to symbolize the Phoenix program in its duplicitous nature. Scott Baumgartner and Vann are described by Novin Long in a book called The CIA and the Vietnam Debacle. And this is a quote from that book. Frank Scotton was the originator of the Provincial Reconnaissance Unit program, the predecessor to the Phoenix program. For years, he worked closely with John Paul Vann.

1:11:57 a famous CIA operative who specializes in other things among black propaganda, which to him involved murder, forgery, and outright deception of the American press in order to discredit the NLF in particular and the opposition to American intervention in general. Everett Baumgartner was Colby's deputy.

1:12:25 and used to oversee pacification efforts in the central provinces of Vietnam. Any person who has the faintest knowledge of the pacification program would know what disasters have visited the Vietnamese people as a result of such programs. Baumgartner was also in charge of the Phoenix program in that area, unquote. So, we're going to stop there.

1:12:54 we've got a little bit more of this particular lead up to the implementation. But understanding the amount of effort, the cost, both in lives and our parents' tax dollars that was put into this effort, it's simply mind-boggling, actually, that

1:13:24 this was allowed to happen. And what's the most disturbing thing to me, besides the fact that it happened, which is grossly disturbing, is that much of this information came out in congressional hearings in the aftermath of this over the next 15 years, and they never did a fucking thing about it. That's why congressional committees

1:13:53 The testimony, all of that shit, it's all bullshit. It's another act to placate us into not following up. And it's like a nauseating show, a never-ending play on a stage of the marionette puppets dancing to keep us entertained.

1:14:21 They're not ever going to do anything. They're not ever going to change anything. That's going to require us making sure those kind of people stay the hell out of Congress. And to me, the biggest tell in this entire investigation was when unequivocally demonstrated in congressional hearings that the School of Americas was going out and training people how to blow people up.

1:14:50 and assassinate people. And the SOBs, after having defunded it, wrote it back in with a new name and put it at Fort Benning. And they continue today training people to assassinate, kidnap, and torture people at Fort Benning, Georgia. And that's just, to me, the craziness of this entire thing. So anyway, with that...

1:15:22 I'm going to open it up. Anybody that wants a mic, put in a request. And we already established that the mic's working backwards again. So make sure that you unmute yourself so that you don't have a hot mic. Go ahead, Bridget. I just, and I know I say this a lot. You know, we work, Cousinette and I work. I can't hear you, Bridget. I'm going to put you down and bring you back up. Go ahead, Stellar.

1:15:59 OK, so do you want to have another mind blowing thing right now? Yeah. Air America, my best friend and roommate, and I used to fly with her. She worked for Air America in the 80s. She went all over the world, Dubai, Egypt, all over the world. And then she recruited me to work with them. But by then they changed their name because they went through several name changes. I worked for that company. That's crazy. You worked for the CIA then because that was a front company.

1:16:30 Well, I didn't. We were aircraft staff on the passenger side. And I'm trying to think of some of the folks. I worked with them for six months. You worked for the CIA. They owned that company, Lock, Stock and Barrel. You didn't know you did. It was a front company. It was owned by the CIA. And that's what they do. So, Stellar, this is such an important point. I worked for Evergreen.

1:17:01 Evergreen was a CIA front company. When I worked for Evergreen Airlines, had the maintenance contract for UPS at Stanford Field, their overnight hub. So everybody on the UPS side, there's two sides to that airport. There's the commercial side and there was the UPS side. And at the end of the UPS side was the guard unit. And everybody that was on the UPS ramp.

1:17:29 was a contract employee of Evergreen. And I've shared with you guys in different forums that I had no idea that it was a CIA front company. I just went to work every night, did my maintenance stuff, and went home because I was a full-time student in Indiana University at Southeast.

1:17:54 It's amazing after the fact to realize that all of the pilots that I talked to every night that was coming in from all of the different UPS hubs into Stanford Field for the overnight deliveries, every one of those, when they were not flying their normal UPS routes, flew missions to South America, and on the label on the door into the cockpit, they had...

1:18:23 all of those country clearances on a certification from the government. And I have said the first time I walked into the aircraft to debrief the pilots on their flight in with the guy that I was shadowing at the time, because I was the new hire, he's talking to the pilot and I'm reading this list of countries that they're cleared to fly into. And I'm like, what the hell is that all about?

1:18:52 Um, because it was like, you know, we didn't do any overnight flights to Peru, um, or Bolivia or Paraguay or any of those places. So I'm like, why is this airplane cleared to go to Paraguay? That's weird. And so after I'd been there for about six months, one of the pilots was waiting, had come early to get on the aircraft to launch. And I was the, um, maintenance troop launched in the aircraft.

1:19:22 And so when I pulled up, I asked him, I'm like, I noticed on the door there, there's all of that crap. What's that all about? And he goes, well, you know, this aircraft is cleared to fly into all those countries. And I'm like, well, how often do you guys fly into those countries? So you guys don't just do UPS? He goes, oh, no. He goes, we fly all over the world. And I'm like, really? And I'm like, well, how often do you go to South America? And he goes, oh, probably once a week.

1:19:52 And, of course, this was during, when did I go to school? The mid-'80s. You know, Ronald Reagan. When they were doing, I ran Contra. Oh, my God, I just realized that. And, see, I started working for the company in 90. She'd been working for it for almost 10 years, but it changed. She was based out of L.A. We did runs to Baltimore a lot. And now I know DuPont, Corning. We had their contract. We flew Ross Perot.

1:20:29 Holy shit. So, and understand when you're a CIA front company, you actually do normal work, just like Evergreen. They had the contract for UPS. They do normal work. But the normal work is to give them plausible deniability to work for the CIA and no one think anything of it. Right?

1:20:52 On the passenger side, we only worked to bypass the, we did just, what do you call the charters? We were a charter company so that we didn't have to follow through with the commercial protocols. And we had the, we used the executive terminals. Right, but Stellar, that's what they would use to fly people that they don't want to have a record were flying. Yeah, we didn't have passenger manifests. Exactly.

1:21:23 That's how they hide people and get them moved around. All right, Sonia, go ahead. Sonia. Shauna, go ahead. I don't know if she can't unmute herself. Okay. R1, B1, 2. Oh, what a great space. I just have very two quick points that might resonate with you. We do live in a dynamic environment.

1:22:04 that is constantly evolving. I hope you appreciate that. I do. Yeah, and we are slow to react because we have become completely dependent on IT solutions. And what we have is processes and procedures that have been built up over many years based on a system of laws, and people have been slowly computerising them, and the government are not quick to spend money on that because they focus on...

1:22:33 getting laws built and not IT. So they're kind of the poor children in this equation, even though we spend a lot of money on taxes. But I want to highlight something else that you'll probably find interesting and it should resonate with you. The world needs aviation because we don't want to take this long and that long to get anywhere. We want to be there. And nobody likes a red-eye flight. We want to get it more efficient.

1:23:03 The problem is we have shared supply chain across commercial and military. I worked for Cobham Aerospace and Defence, which is the third tier. They're closed down now. I was responsible for their rollout of Oracle Enterprise Business Suite. And they had done a design before I turned up to implement it. And the design was a complete disaster.

1:23:34 They'd actually bastardized the entire, you know, it's out of the box best practice, but they were trying to make it fit national security requirements because they were a commercial company in the UK started by Sir Alan Cobham, who did air to air refueling. Great technology that helps us go further.

1:24:01 But they started to dabble in mergers and acquisitions, bought US special security arrangements because they had lots of money and they made a mess. What I saw in that program, I was there for four years. I had to leave because the politics were outrageous. I was trying to deliver a global customer service centric.

1:24:29 provision from information technology and I was working with Australia we had a sector out there that do commercial aircraft flights for business but the whole thing is just tied with national security you hear of aircraft crashing you don't ever hear about the parts because everybody's afraid of the Chinese and the Russians and that's what it's all about the that everybody is scared of their own shadows

1:24:59 I came into IT in the energy industry and I was fortunate to have a background in end-to-end manual supply chain. As a kid, sounds surprising, but I'm a hard worker. I used to ruin the whole of purchasing and supplies and manufacturing, production, sales, everything. Because back then, you had to work hard. And I love it. I'm an automatic, I love, you know, I'm on auto. I find simpler ways to do things.

1:25:28 So when I then stepped into the energy, which is British gas in the UK, which, as you know, was a public, you may not know, it was a public monopoly. And it was fantastic because safety comes first. Not making money, it's safety. And that's safety 100% for your employees and 100% for your customers. Now, if you've got to focus on that, you haven't got a lot for marketing.

1:25:59 you know, this thing and that thing and making money, blah, blah, blah, because safety should be first. I won't continue going on. I could give you a lot more here. But what I want to say to you, it's 2024. We should have worked out what created us by now. It's energy. It exists. It always has existed. And what is this planet? It is a development environment.

1:26:32 Because our creator is not a being, it's energy, but the mind of the creator, very smart. And you do not start a creation unless you start in a development environment and then release the good stuff to production when it's fully tested. Now, we do know at the beginning of time, it says in Genesis, there was peace, a garden of Eden, and we're going back there.

1:27:02 Because we are going through an evolution. It's taken a long time. But there are many changes going on now. The patterns that people thought they saw with data that we haven't had for that long. We had Encyclopedia Britannica. Not everybody had one. They were too heavy. And we have digitization of data onto systems. But it is all based on the original computer, which was a DOS.

1:27:33 mainframe. And if you look at your body, you are a disk operating system. Okay. We got that part. We're going to try to stay on the topic of Vietnam, but I appreciate you coming up and giving us that information. Trumpfrog, go ahead. Yeah, I'll bring us back to the topic because that really wasn't the topic at all, but very good information nonetheless.

1:28:04 I think he can't speak either. We can't hear you, Trumpfrog. I'm going to drop you down and bring you back up. You can't hear me? All right. Let's see if we can get him back up. There we go. Can you hear me now? Yep. Okay. I'm sorry about that. I just wanted to bring you back to the topic. It was really nice what you had to say and some good information, but you were talking about Air America and you were talking about evergreen aviation and all the things that are actually tied to this.

1:28:40 My question is, is Evergreen Aviation the same Evergreen Aviation that has a museum in McMindle, Oregon? They have, well, I believe it is. Yes, absolutely it is, because that's where their helicopter operations is at. Their large maintenance facility is in Arizona.

1:29:08 Their helicopter operations were in Oregon, and then they had the contract for UPS in Louisville, Kentucky. So, yeah, Evergreen was a big child trafficking company. Well, I worked for it. I just had to throw that out there. You're guilty now. I still have my flight line badge from them, too.

1:29:34 Now you're going to have a bunch of people in Mexico, Colonel Towner was trafficking people and yada yada. You know how silly people are. It's ridiculous. This has been a great space. And then when Stellar was talking about Air America, I'm like, okay, so Stellar was working for cocaine dealers and arms dealers. Awesome. Yeah. Unfortunately, if you look at their laundry list of front companies, I'm shocked that.

1:29:59 There's a large amount of people that work for them and had no idea that they were working for them. And that's kind of like the whole thing what I was telling you about our government doing all of these covert operations and overthrowing these governments and killing people. And then you happen to be walking down the street in Belize and unbeknownst to you, the guy that's serving you.

1:30:27 You know, the CIA like assassinated his parents. And in you walk and he's having a bad day. And the next thing you know, you're dead. And because there are consequences to this bullshit. And, you know, we went all over the world doing all this crap. And then you open your border and you've let all of these monsters that the CIA created all over the world come into America.

1:30:56 So they could turn all of this shit they created on us. So, anyway. It's crazy. Absolutely crazy. It's the real insurrection, you know? It's the real insurrection. Hi, Jacob. Hi, Jacob. We're going to do the same thing that we did last night. We're going by hands. So if you don't mind putting your speaker on mute, Sean is going to speak. And then, yes, would love to hear from you. Jacob was new to the space last night. He's a really great guy. Okay.

1:31:28 So my question is, evergreen shipping, would that be the same or no? I don't know if they had a shipping element. The only two things I knew about was their helicopter division and their airline. So, I mean, it would make sense that they had a shipping because they were in the cocaine weapons trafficking business and that kind of, or maybe they just used the chow shipping line.

1:31:56 you know the reason why i ask is because my husband he was a longshoreman and he used to be what they called a lasher and then he became a crane driver but when he was a lasher they used to take basically billy clubs when they came into port and they would hit the side of all the containers because if there was people in them they would scream because a loud noise would startle them oh shit

1:32:22 And that was his job. And I was like, really? Did you ever find content? He goes, yeah, lots of times. And I was like, oh, wow. And like, I never like put pieces together until I started listening to like you and Trump and et cetera. And I'm like, they were trafficking people. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. Well, they were definitely into that. They were trafficking drugs. They were trafficking weapons. You know, they were like our Gladio airline. Maybe that's what we should call them now.

1:32:56 Who else we got? We've got Jacob next, and then WW just came up, and I guess I'll speak next. But Jacob's next. Hey, Jacob. Thank you. You're banding real bad. I can't understand what you're saying. Oh, man. All right, Colonel. It is unfortunate that I am under attack, so I must depart from the space so that you're not under attack.

1:33:30 No, stay. We can hear you now. Stay. Because you had a lot of really good information last night. You were just standing for a minute. Go ahead. Yeah, but I'm telling you, if I talk about it right now, it is not going to be healthy for the space because there's going to be a bunch of chat bubbles that pop up at the bottom. So I'm going to host my own space someday with my dad, and we're just going to drink beers and talk about it. Okay.

1:34:00 Jacob, we're used to getting attacked in here constantly. So if you want, please share some of the stuff you were talking about last night, because I think that Colonel Towner would probably, you know, help with things and connect some dots for us. What type of stuff was I talking? I don't remember because I was awake for 48 hours and only got six hours of sleep.

1:34:19 Well, we were you were talking about something like the PSYOP things that were going on. We were talking about the MKUltra things, the CIA things. And I think I brought up Colonel Towner and stuff like that. So you were interested in I'm assuming that's why you're here. She's used to getting her space. Oh, yes. We hate the CIA and Operation Gladio.

1:34:39 Yes, we hate the CIA. I mean, the CIA used to be like a good idea, right? Because it was necessary, right? We were up against Hitler's intelligence agency. So we kind of needed some boys of our own who could play dirty. But the downside is like after they play dirty and the president goes, yeah, we should close intelligence operation. It's almost like a war was started to be like fear mongering the president. Yo, yo, there's still a need for the intelligence community. There's still a need for the intelligence community. And it's like, no, there isn't.

1:35:09 But the oath that the OSS took, right, it went against the Constitution. It went against the Declaration of Independence. Their mission statement was, basically, we can do anything and everything we want with regards to intelligence in the nation. And if you really go back and look at the OSS's original motto or mission statement, it's that.

1:35:32 And it's like when you really think about that, it's like, whoa, you mean these people are breaking the law on behalf of God and country? But that's kind of a fallacy in itself because it's like a top secret report is a fallacy because God sees everything and we're one nation under God. It's just, yeah, but I should stop yapping right now. Yeah, that's why I was saying Colonel Towner has the sub stacks.

1:35:54 that are on there. And that's why, you know, we were talking about things last night, that the OSS, the CIA, all of these coups all over the world, and what's happening in the United States is...

1:36:08 The Phoenix Project. So that's what we were talking about. And that's what Colonel Towner's connected dots on. And the playbook is Operation Gladio and these operations that they've used all over. And just finding out today that I work for a company that apparently was not a very good one without even knowing, you know, so it's just kind of mind blowing how that is under the auspice that they're good. But the propaganda machine.

1:36:34 You know, but it's not good. So that's why I say follow her stuff. If you get a chance, listen to her podcast in the background and it's going to connect the dots even more so. And the conspiracy theory token is not a it's not a theory. They're actually reality that they didn't want us to know. And they tried to do the MK Ultra dubbing of all of us being nuts. Go ahead, Truth. Hold on. W.W. Thank you for having me again. Hold on. Hold on, Stellar.

1:37:05 WWW was next. Can she talk? WW, I'm sorry, I stepped over you. Can you speak to us? Okay, go ahead. Yeah, okay. Well, you complained that nothing happens when they talk about the stuff in Parliament, in the Senate, or I don't know. But at least you get the information out. Here in Germany, you don't get any information. It's all secret.

1:37:38 Right. Even if sometimes newspaper reports and there's very few reports, it still keeps under the carpet. Right. Even with the Havana syndrome affair, I try to make the systems attacks against the opposition public since 1999. It's 25 years now. And in the United States, it's possible. In Germany, not because it's a totalitarian fascist state.

1:38:08 The media is under control of the state and you have a gigantic network of snitches since the Nazi time. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Truth, go ahead. Well, thank you for having me again. I wanted to add a couple of things. So my father was number 109 in OSS. I'm actually writing a book on it.

1:38:38 I hear a lot of, you know, there's a lot of information that's really not true out there and obviously needs to be debunked with the right information, the correct information for all of us. So the OSS was really a great organization when it started. William Wild Bill started it.

1:39:10 And at the beginning, we had to have, this OSS had to have significant amount of ability to be able to work behind the lines. So that was not just obviously in Germany during the Second World War, but actually more importantly than that, it became a critical instrument with the Soviet Union.

1:39:39 And many, by the way, a lot of those OSS people never came back. It was never published for obvious reasons. And so we owe a lot of gratitude to the lives of those people that, frankly, saved perhaps millions of Americans and millions of people around the world. Now, having said that, I think the CIA, there's no question the CIA has become very corrupt.

1:40:08 But I will most definitely, what I'm planning to do is provide quite a bit of information on the OSS and their great work that they did with tracking down the Soviet expansion around the world. And in many cases, the OSS stopped many countries from becoming communist. So I'll stop there. But if there's anybody that wants more information on that, I plan to do publish.

1:40:38 This information is probably going to take me a while because I have quite a bit of content on it, but would love to answer any questions anybody has. So thank you for having me again. Sure. Jacob, go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to say with WW.

1:40:56 What WWW said is very, very important, right? The United Kingdom is currently locking up children for reposting things their parents post. So I can't really tell you exactly everything I know on this space. Otherwise, I put WWW at risk because he lives in a totalitarian nation and I don't want his Internet to get nuked. So it's like I would love to tell you everything, but like I would need a skiff. Oh, come on. All right. I'm such a tease. All right.

1:41:28 Anyway, we got any more questions? Well, I have a question kind of, it was to you, Colonel Tanner, because everything that we've been learning about the OSS and the stay-behinds and all these other things, I don't, you know, unless, you know, they did, I can't see that they were good. I'm sorry. Okay. So it is, you're going to find that every one of these organizations, just like the military,

1:42:00 When we go through these Operation Gladio events, they have military people in them. As a matter of fact, they have some fairly significant senior officers involved in them. And they're doing things that are wrong. They are the terrorists in many cases. However, that's not everybody that's in the military. And the same thing is true with the OSS.

1:42:27 If you go back and you look at the transition or the evolution of the OSS from the time that it was created at the beginning of World War II, and they were using those national state parks in Virginia for their training locations.

1:42:49 all of which were classified at the time. And then they're moving these people into theater to work behind the lines. Were there people that did that, that had the best interests of the country at heart? Yes. I will also tell you that people like Alan Dulles, even when he was in the OSS, people like Lansdale, people like Paul Helliwell, did not ever have the best interests.

1:43:18 at heart of what the United States long-term should have been doing. Paul Helliwell, while he was the OSS, is the one that came up with the idea to have the newly created CIA in the aftermath of World War II to use the trafficking of drugs to pay for their black operations. That same guy

1:43:46 A year before that was an OSS officer. He didn't turn bad in a year. He was nefariously involved in Chiang Kai-shek's drug operations during World War II. So you really have to, there's no one right answer to any of this. It appears, and we have, because we've been at this a long time, if you go back to

1:44:15 The same group of people, the Wild Bill Donovans of the world, the group that he is from in Buffalo, New York, were among the exact same people that were in and out of government in different positions that stole the country of Panama from Colombia to build the Panama Canal to help out the Sullivan and Cromwell.

1:44:41 guy that was being represented in France and get him a good deal on his property in Panama when the Congress had already approved the Nicaraguan Inner Ocean Canal. And they had already started building it, by the way. And then you guys know the story. They hired that PR company, another of PR companies, to basically influence Congress to

1:45:08 Stop the Nicaraguan Canal after it had already started being built and go a different way. And those same people joined the OSS. Well, they didn't all of a sudden be good just because they joined the OSS. Alan Dulles was in the OSS. He wasn't good in the OSS and he wasn't good before he got into the OSS when he was at Sullivan and Cromwell.

1:45:33 doing all of the nefarious things that were being done in the overthrow of governments prior to Operation Gladio in the aftermath of World War II that we've been studying. So you really have to look at all of this in context to a bigger picture. And you can't say they were all bad or they were all good. That's what I got for you. Does that make sense, Stellar? Yeah, it does. It does. It's like, yeah, I mean.

1:46:08 Yeah, it does. But knowing all this stuff, it just, you know, at some point if someone's, you know, I'm teaching or doing things, you know, and you see that stuff is happening that's not quite right somewhere else, you know, you would think that these people would connect the dots in their own mind and, you know. Right. I don't know.

1:46:29 I guess like now today, knowing everything that's gone on, we know for sure that a lot of the people that I mean that are I mean, I know that there's like, quote unquote, it's like the shadow government type of thing. And you have a lot of good people. But then you have those ones at the top or whatever that are just shady. Right. And so you look at somebody like John Foster Dulles and, you know, all of the antics that he did in facilitating overthrows of government while he was at Sullivan and Cromwell.

1:46:58 They're the ones that set up United Fruit. They're the ones that went into Nicaragua and to Cuba and all of these other places and basically negotiated with the government by slipping them money to buy land through corrupt government officials and basically took people's land away from them. And so when he became Secretary of State, he didn't change his colors. He's still the same guy. He went to the post-World War II.

1:47:25 negotiations in San Francisco and wrote in a clause. I mean, we've already provided the documentation, wrote in a clause that said no service member that was held as a POW in Japan would ever get a dime from Japan because I'm sorry they were broke. Not to mention Operation Golden Lily and they had trillions of dollars in gold that they had scarfed up from all over Asia. He's not a good guy.

1:47:52 But that doesn't mean that everybody's not a good guy. It just means that he's not a good guy. But wouldn't people that were working in that capacity start seeing what's going on? Why wouldn't people turn someone, you know, when they start seeing these things happening, it's going for the nefarious, it's not actually for what it's for. Why wouldn't they turn their superiors into ones that were, or there just wasn't anyone that they could turn them into or another agency? Like who oversees these agencies? In the case of something like,

1:48:25 Back then, it's not like it is now. Back then, it was very much a good old boys network. And if you are John Foster Dulles, unless you wanted to get your suicided, you're not going to turn him in once you find out what exactly it is that he's doing. Did some people do that? Yes.

1:48:47 And that's where you can go and find news articles that describe all of this stuff. But those people were treated like pariahs after that. You know, they were bankrupted because there was no whistleblower protection back then. That's all new. People took great physical risk in identifying people that were in our government. I mean, just go back and look at the un-American assassination.

1:49:14 blah, blah, blah, congressional hearings. Many of those people, I mean, look at Danny Casolaro, who, you know, went out on a limb to try to expose wrongdoing. And that's, you know, somebody from the outside that should, and a journalist that should have been safe. No, he was assassinated too. So I twice had to be a whistleblower. I can tell you that it's probably the worst experience you're ever going to

1:49:45 But I can understand why people wouldn't do that. You take a significant risk professionally, personally for doing that. I'm not going to judge someone else because they didn't do it. I just know what the decision was for me and I decided to do it. But I can't speak for everybody else.

1:50:10 So these authors and stuff like that, that are like these books that you're getting research from and, you know, putting the dots together. So would I mean, these authors, we should be very thankful for them for helping expose this to it. I mean, are their lives at risk? Because I mean, we're learning a lot of stuff about the corruption. Like a lot of them don't even have.

1:50:42 social media because of the crap that gets thrown at them. Um, if you go and look at critiques of, uh, they don't critique his actual facts. Um, and it's just like the story I told you when we first started doing this, I didn't know that the other girls that were helping us research were Catholic. And when he exposed the Catholic church and the Vatican is money launderers for this whole operation, Gladio thing.

1:51:11 They called him an atheist. And I'm like, well, where are you getting the fact that he's an atheist? And I think it was Bridget that found a video of him saying he was a Catholic, actually, and how much it disturbed him. And that was the reason he decided to expose it all. And so those people just lied about him and they didn't even know who he was. And so, of course, you know, they blocked us on True Social and went off about their very little ignorant way. And that's great for them.

1:51:41 Some people just can't handle the truth. That's just the bottom line. And we learned that firsthand very early on in this adventure. Hey, Molly, I think your mic is hot. We've been having it go backwards. Can you unmute your mic and see if that fixes it? We're getting some feedback. Awesome. Thank you. I can keep it. I think I can keep her muted. I just did it. And so it closed it up. It looks like on my screen. Hopefully that'll help.

1:52:19 It did, but I'm trying to get Miles to talk. Miles, can you hear Colonel Towner? Yeah, she was roboting a little bit. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Okay, thanks. Yeah, I love listening to all this, and we're talking about all the minutia of what's going on. What is the root of the problem and has been for centuries? It's these bankers that are not Christ-like.

1:52:53 So that's the problem that we're dealing with. These are all banker wars. It's not just bankers. No, it's not just bankers. And that's the reason why I'm just going to take issue with that. These are not all bankers. It is business oligarchs. Bankers are certainly in it. It's politicians. It is an entire plethora of people that have no...

1:53:23 I mean, I think it's safe to say that they're motivated by Satanistic-type traits and not godly traits. So that's the only issue I'm going to take. I understand the whole banker's war, and I'm not going to argue with you. No, I understand, Colonel. You went back into Prussia, and you learned about all that stuff.

1:53:54 were the bankers what they were doing you know this has been going on like i said for centuries so uh right yep that's all i'm saying yep i agree with you 100 sonja go ahead i have to jump off but i just wanted to tell colonel bridget cousin it and stella thank you so much for holding these rooms and giving us all this knowledge i know that you guys do a lot of

1:54:22 like research and et cetera. And sometimes I don't feel like you get a high five enough, but I appreciate the three of you very, very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. WWW. Go ahead. Yeah. Good guys. Don't do this. I don't work in a, such an agency and you can even read it in books on secret agencies. But on one end, on the other end, you have two sorts of these secret agents.

1:54:56 agencies, which is, one is like the Abwehr or counter-espionage from the military, developed by the military and so on. And the other is like the Gestapo and the Ukrana in Russia, or the Bundesnachrichtendienst and the Verfassungsschutz today. They are secret police to suppress the opposition. Right? And when you travel around in Europe, you can actually feel the difference in the countries. In Spain, you have more like a military,

1:55:26 counter-espionage, or in Spain or in France, and in Germany it's still the old Gestapo style to suppress the opposition. And even a reporter from the NZZ, from Zurich, from Switzerland, the newspaper, he said it's the Verfassungsschutz, not the Bundesnachrichten, the other German secret service, which is more responsible for the internal.

1:55:55 Suppression, in theory, both are working inside Germany. And he said it's really a totalitarian repressive system. And he spoke on the television about it yesterday or the day before. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. Where did... Oh, did he leave? We had one more hand. I don't know where he went.

1:56:27 Truth, he just dropped it out. I thought that he might not have been able to hear, and I thought he'd come back up, but I haven't seen him come back up. All right. Well, were it— I had one thing. I had one thing, if I may. So kind of like what Miles was saying and that crazy lady who was a troll, the monetary system, think of it as currency, the currency system. So that's, you know, and it's the, you know, the—

1:56:54 The dark side, and if you want to say the bankers, is the currency system that's currently in place that's being changed over because, you know, it's the control and it's that power. So, yeah, with all of the stuff that you've been showing and everything that I know as far as the, you know, monetary systems and banking systems, I really do feel that this is.

1:57:16 You know, the flipping of the tables in the temple, you know, going from the banking darker currency into a freedom currency of knowledge and truth, if that makes any sense. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. Thank goodness that we're understanding all this stuff and you're explaining and teaching us about like Operation Gladio. The Phoenix Project was just, I mean.

1:57:50 the stuff that's been going on for all this time. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, because otherwise I would not be understanding any of this. I mean, I see it, but I wouldn't understand why. Right. And help understand the why. And it's the power. Yeah. All right, guys.

1:58:14 got dinner plans with our friends from out of state. So we're going to take Molly and Carrie and then we're out. So Molly, go ahead. And Molly, that mics are backwards. So when it looks like you're muted, unmute. There you go. Can you hear me now? Yep. Okay. I just wanted to say a couple of days ago, Colonel, you responded to what was the hardest thing you started to share. We are not who we thought we were. We've been doing all this crap all around the world.

1:59:07 in our name and just we have to go through that awake mourning and then come out on these horned down hands. Bridget, thank you so much. So let me, and my husband has pointed this out to me. Let me just change since we just spent an hour talking about language. We are who we thought we were. Our government is not who we thought they were. Yeah.

1:59:51 And I want people not to feel, I don't want people to internalize personally this retributionary kind of depression that, you know, that all is lost because that's not why I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm exposing them. We still have a good heart. We still love.

2:00:18 the fellow citizens, both in our country and around the world. And we want to fix what they've effed up in our name. So I want everybody to understand that. Carrie, go ahead. Hi, everyone. I just wanted to know, Colonel, if you know who Buckminster Fuller is. And the reason I'm asking is because he stated long ago that all wars are resource wars.

2:00:51 People think there's not enough. And we have abundance. And they have this whole criteria about that we won't have enough. There's not enough. And it's very, very sick thinking. It's extremely sick thinking. It's anti-life. It's anti-life. What? It's a psyops. Yes.

2:01:21 Telling people that oil is a fossil produced and has limited amounts was a psyops. And it was done that so that you could have wars. And that was not, that's what I'm saying. All of that stuff is, yeah, all of that stuff is a psyops to get us to do things that we wouldn't ordinarily do. They lie to us constantly, literally about everything.

2:01:51 I totally agree. And I just want to say one more thing. The British have a lot to do with this because they live on an unsustainable island and they have financialized their economic system and they can't function without like genociding and stealing. And I write this almost every day on Twitter. I'm sorry if other people have heard it already, but I just want.

2:02:19 people to understand because my family fought them in the revolution so I feel like I have to speak for my family members that you know were on the battlefield anyway yeah they're the root for me the British are the absolute root thank you and do you know who Buckminster Fuller is I've heard the name I've not done any work with anything that he has so oh my god I love him

2:02:49 I'll send you something. Okay. Love you. Okay. Love you too. All right, guys. Another show in the bag. Another lesson learned. We're going to stay on this until we're done with the Phoenix program. Then we're going to move on. So thanks for being here. And is it, it's already Friday, right? I completely lose track of days. Have a nice weekend.

2:03:19 I am going to try to get some material ready to start a book review on Monday as something completely separate from what we're doing here at four o'clock. So hopefully I'm able to get that all together this weekend. But anyway, thanks, guys. I'm sure if it's about corruption, it's going to end up tying into this stuff, too. I'm sorry. It's all definitely related. It's just going to be a different book that we've not did any work out of yet.

2:03:48 is what I meant to say. Yeah, it's all related. I'm not leaving the subject until every damn person in the world knows about it. I'm going to die and have Gladio on my tombstone. All right. Everybody, thanks. Amen. Thank you, Colonel Towner. You're welcome. Oh, that's right. There's a holiday, Labor Day. I will do the show. You guys, if you're busy, have fun. And you guys can just listen to it at your leisure. But I will be doing the show on Monday.

2:04:21 All right. I want to hold your space on Monday, too. I don't got to work. All right. Let's do it. And I'm there, too. Bidenomics doesn't have me working much, so I'm around, too. So we get Colonel Towner twice on Monday and Cousin It and Bridget, too. Yeah, what's up, Cousin It? It's good to see you. I see you used your shampoo. You're looking good down there.

2:04:47 with that fro you got going on there. Um, it's good to see you. Oh, she's working. She just texted me saying she's working. All right. We love her. All right. You guys take care. Have a nice weekend. Peace, love, and hair grease.

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Claims made here

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Aldo Moro host_asserted ▶ 8:48

“to buy a flat in Rome. And I'm not going to read the rest. We've already covered Aldo Morrow's kidnapping and murder. It was absolutely not the Red Brigade. And it was Operation Gladio that did that. …”

SDECE infiltrated Red Brigades host_asserted ▶ 9:18

“is that much of the Red Brigade was infiltrated with the SDECE and the New Order. You guys remember us talking about that. And the people that originally joined the fake Red Brigades, I'm just going t…”

Sandinistas member_of Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 13:04

“At the top of the VCI organizational chart was a central office in South Vietnam. There was an executive committee that answered to a quote-unquote unification department in Hanoi. From its headquarte…”

Sandinistas headquartered_in Iron Triangle host_asserted ▶ 14:31

“as well as the central authorities in the north. When operations were mounted against it, the central committee slipped into what was referred to as the Iron Triangle north of Saigon and into the famo…”

Central Research Agency reported_to Committee for the Defense of National Interests host_asserted ▶ 18:07

“Managing Revolutionary Intelligence Operations in South Vietnam was an entity called the Central Research Agency. It reported to the National Defense Committee in Hanoi in conjunction with the Reunifi…”

Ninh reported_to Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 18:35

“These guys were doing it in the South as well, kind of to countermand what was happening. So introduced into the South Vietnam in the 1960s as an insurgency security service was an entity called NINH,…”

Ninh carried_out_attack Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 19:32

“More than any other branch in the shadow government in the South, the ANNN was responsible for destabilizing the U.S. operations. Ralph Johnson called it the glue that held the North together. The ANN…”

Eldridge Durbrow asked_to_abolish Can Lao Party host_asserted ▶ 24:22

“began to be perceived as liabilities. Convinced that William Colby had organized the November 1960 coup attempt, New prohibited his followers from talking to any CIA agent. This edict threw a wrench i…”

Ngô Đình Diệm authorized_creation_of Central Intelligence Organization host_asserted ▶ 24:51

“the Can Lao, claiming it denied advancement to the majority of Vietnamese and nullified democratic reforms. Unwilling to divest himself of his power base, Dem refused to do it and instead sought to ap…”

William Colby directed Raymond Babineau host_asserted ▶ 24:51

Trần Thiện Khiêm recruited_by Nguyễn Văn Ngoc host_asserted ▶ 25:21

“B-A-B-I-N-E-A-U, to provide the people and the equipment required to put the CIO in business. Colonel Nguyen Van Nguyen was named chief. A building in Saigon was selected as its headquarters, and he r…”

Nguyễn Văn Ngoc appointed Central Intelligence Organization host_asserted ▶ 25:21

Ngô Đình Diệm attacked_opponents_via Office of Political and Social Studies host_asserted ▶ 26:20

“also managed political and foreign intelligence operations, and they became the nerve center for the coordination of Phoenix. Knowing that the single-minded Americans would carry the fight against the…”

Central Intelligence Organization managed Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 26:20

Trần Văn Lắm teamed_up_with Phạm Ngọc Thảo host_asserted ▶ 27:18

“Ironically, he filled his faction with dissenters he had blacklisted, and he also attracted disgruntled junior officers, almost like they're setting up the coup. He teamed up with a Colonel Pham Ngoc …”

Phạm Ngọc Thảo had_clandestine_ties_to Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 27:18

Central Intelligence Organization hastened_demise_of Ngô Đình Diệm host_asserted ▶ 28:16

“you know, kind of like communists themselves. Thus, by forcing Dem and New into greater dependence on reactionary programs and a North double agent, the formation of the CIO in 1961 further hastened t…”

John F. Kennedy formed National Security Council host_asserted ▶ 28:45

“President John F. Kennedy formed a National Security Council special group to manage U.S. counterinsurgency efforts in Vietnam and elsewhere. A special assistant for covert activities was assigned to …”

John F. Kennedy rushed_in Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 29:15

“got its new headquarters in Langley. All you got to do is fight a war and you get something big as a prize in the military-industrial complex. When September 1961 rolled around, NM Terror Squad decapi…”

111th Military Intelligence Group arrived_in Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 30:44

“This could have been an agent provocateur that did this in order to get the strength because Kennedy was very much against putting people into Vietnam. So the 704th Military Intelligence Group arrives…”

Edward Lansdale brought_officers_from Philippines host_asserted ▶ 31:12

“the advisory group that was already there, the CIA PSYOP war and the paramilitary officers that had been brought over by Lansdell from the Philippines. Remember them? They're all there. So they all ha…”

Operation Gladio involved_personnel_from Greece host_asserted ▶ 31:40

“And it says all of these people converged on Vietnam from Cuba, because, you know, we've got the exile Cubans still in Miami to be used. Africa, because we've got a lot of Gladio people down there fro…”

Operation Gladio involved_personnel_from Korea host_asserted ▶ 32:08

“forces, and you had the five colonels installed. Well, one colonel ended up being the leader, but the five colonels overthrew the Greece government. They came in from Korea, which we've already talked…”

Ralph Johnson member_of Flying Tigers host_asserted ▶ 36:01

“could be traced to one guy, Ralph Johnson. He's from Chicago. He was part of the Flying Tigers that we saw during World War II that worked with Chiang Kai-shek and William Polly, because remember, Wil…”

William J. Polk funded Flying Tigers host_asserted ▶ 36:01

Ralph Johnson trained Mountain Scouts host_asserted ▶ 39:26

“Such as this arrangement enabled Johnson and the Vietnamese Army Captain Le Hon Mai to devise the Mountain Scouts, a political action program employing tactics and techniques that Johnson had copied f…”

Ralph Johnson founded Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 42:17

“Methven began extracting the most aggressive individuals from mountain scout teams and hiring mercenaries, often Vietnamese criminals or Chinese criminals, to act as counter-terrorists and to do to th…”

Stuart Methven recruited Mountain Scouts host_asserted ▶ 42:17

Joint U.S. Military Advisory Group funded Mountain Scouts host_asserted ▶ 45:07

“and not under the South's control. And because having these teams under their control strengthened the hand of the province chiefs against the central government. The expanding Mountain Scout program,…”

Edward Lansdale founded Operation Mongoose documented ▶ 59:44

“The Church Committee report says in November 1962, the proposal for a new covert action program to overthrow Castro was developed. The president's assistant, Richard Goodwin, and General Edward Lansda…”

Richard Goodwin founded Operation Mongoose documented ▶ 59:44

Edward Lansdale headed Operation Mongoose documented ▶ 1:00:10

“A special group was created to oversee Mongoose, and Lansdell was made its chief of operations. Those operations included assassination, or the favored term, executive action. The memo written by Lans…”

Frank Scotton member_of Austrian Information Service host_asserted ▶ 1:05:59

“was going to perform the same type of propaganda. It was just going to pretend like it's another entity. And they brought in the quote-unquote American Way crusade, basically setting up TVs, radio sta…”

Frank Scotton member_of Austrian Information Service book_quoted ▶ 1:08:27

“to create Agent Net, unquote, just like what I said. After passing the Foreign Service exam, Scotton was persuaded by a patron to join the Information Service, which dealt with people and observed the…”

William Colby introduced Doug Valentine book_quoted ▶ 1:08:57

“Scotton was a very outgoing, charismatic person, and he had basically traveled all over Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, all those things. And let's see, when Doug Valentine got to meet this guy, Scotton, he…”

Frank Scotton carried_out_attack Khmer Rouge book_quoted ▶ 1:09:28

“And he said that he had just been on a mission where they eliminated a bunch of Khmer Rouge guerrillas with the CIA. So, according to Scotton, he arrived in Saigon in November 1962. He met and was, le…”

Everett Bumgartner succeeded Edward Lansdale book_quoted ▶ 1:09:58

“B-U-M-G-A-R-T-N-E-R, who was the chief of the U.S. Information Services field operations in Vietnam. A Lansdale disciple, Bumgartner had launched wanted posters and defector programs in Laos in 54 and…”

Everett Bumgartner member_of Austrian Information Service book_quoted ▶ 1:09:58

Everett Bumgartner introduced John Paul Vann book_quoted ▶ 1:10:28

“introduced, gotten to John Paul Vann, the senior advisor to the 7th Division, this whole mission, and also Colonel Tran Ngoc Chau, C-H-A-U, who was a controversial province chief. Oh, yes. And that's …”

Everett Bumgartner introduced Tran Ngoc Chau book_quoted ▶ 1:10:28

Tran Ngoc Chau member_of South Vietnamese Psychological Warfare Service book_quoted ▶ 1:10:58

“And while he was there, his roommate was Nugent Van Thou, the guy that we were just talking about. So Chow was a CIA asset who, in 1962, had finished a six-year tour as the South Psychological Warfare…”

Frank Scotton founded Provisional Reconnaissance Units book_quoted ▶ 1:11:28

“came to symbolize the Phoenix program in its duplicitous nature. Scott Baumgartner and Vann are described by Novin Long in a book called The CIA and the Vietnam Debacle. And this is a quote from that …”

Everett Bumgartner headed Phoenix Program book_quoted ▶ 1:12:25

“and used to oversee pacification efforts in the central provinces of Vietnam. Any person who has the faintest knowledge of the pacification program would know what disasters have visited the Vietnames…”

Paul Helliwell trafficked Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 1:43:46

“A year before that was an OSS officer. He didn't turn bad in a year. He was nefariously involved in Chiang Kai-shek's drug operations during World War II. So you really have to, there's no one right a…”

William J. Donovan member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 1:44:15

“The same group of people, the Wild Bill Donovans of the world, the group that he is from in Buffalo, New York, were among the exact same people that were in and out of government in different position…”

Allen Dulles member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 1:45:08

“Stop the Nicaraguan Canal after it had already started being built and go a different way. And those same people joined the OSS. Well, they didn't all of a sudden be good just because they joined the …”

Allen Dulles member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 1:46:29

“I guess like now today, knowing everything that's gone on, we know for sure that a lot of the people that I mean that are I mean, I know that there's like, quote unquote, it's like the shadow governme…”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Nicaragua host_asserted ▶ 1:46:58

“They're the ones that set up United Fruit. They're the ones that went into Nicaragua and to Cuba and all of these other places and basically negotiated with the government by slipping them money to bu…”

Allen Dulles founded United Fruit Company host_asserted ▶ 1:46:58

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Cuba host_asserted ▶ 1:46:58

Allen Dulles covered_up Japan host_asserted ▶ 1:47:25

“negotiations in San Francisco and wrote in a clause. I mean, we've already provided the documentation, wrote in a clause that said no service member that was held as a POW in Japan would ever get a di…”

Allen Dulles trafficked Operation Golden Lily host_asserted ▶ 1:47:25

Danny Casolaro exposed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:49:14

“blah, blah, blah, congressional hearings. Many of those people, I mean, look at Danny Casolaro, who, you know, went out on a limb to try to expose wrongdoing. And that's, you know, somebody from the o…”

Catholic Church laundered_money_for Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:50:42

“social media because of the crap that gets thrown at them. Um, if you go and look at critiques of, uh, they don't critique his actual facts. Um, and it's just like the story I told you when we first s…”

Verfassungsschutz front_for Gestapo guest_asserted ▶ 1:55:26

“counter-espionage, or in Spain or in France, and in Germany it's still the old Gestapo style to suppress the opposition. And even a reporter from the NZZ, from Zurich, from Switzerland, the newspaper,…”