The Colonels Corner The Splendid Blond Beast Part 8

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0:00 Okay, SR-71, can you hear me? Yes, ma'am, I can. Okay, they've already kicked me out of the space twice, so this ought to be fun. Yeah, I noticed Rumble died as well. Yeah, I got it back up. Gotta love it. Gotta love it. Well, after all the stuff we've been going through here the past couple of days, I guess it only stands to reason. Somebody's...

0:31 Somebody's finally taking notice and saying, you know, she talks too much. I've been accused of that a few times. And what's really funny about that is I talk less than my two sisters. So anyway, for whatever that's worth. All right. If you guys can repost out the space, we're going to go ahead and get started. And we are on.

1:04 Chapter eight and chapter eight is very interesting because we're going to get into a little bit more of the details of this faux process leading into Nuremberg. All right.

1:30 For the Soviets, war crimes policy became one of several barometers of Western commitment to the alliance with the Soviet Union because Nazi atrocities had seriously compromised much of the state top portion of German society because obviously the businessmen and everybody was all in collusion together. Allied plans to purge

1:59 Nazi criminals and collaborators from positions of influence in the wake of the war opened the door to fundamental changes in Europe. The Soviet Union's relentless drive to destroy Nazism reflected a need for what the Eastern Front had suffered. It also was viewed to them

2:30 as a national security issue. And the Soviets saw a hard Western line on Nazi crimes as an indication that they were a legitimate alliance and that they understood what had been experienced by the Soviet Union. They interpreted Western waffling on the issue to be a huge red flag for them.

3:00 There was more to this than politics. By early 1942, the Nazis had wrecked destruction throughout the Soviet Union, and they killed millions, over 25 million. They looted everything that they could find, gold, parts of factories. They destroyed anything that they could cart away.

3:30 and take back to Germany. The Soviet public demand for punishment of the Nazis was deep. Premier Joseph Stalin's primary concern at the time was with the war. He vitally needed the U.S. and British to help him fight it. But Stalin believed that a powerful, submerged faction of Western politicians and businessmen were actually...

4:00 moving behind the scenes in a collaborative manner. Stalin was well aware of the utility of such separate peace tactics. His own 1939 pact with Hitler was an attempt to reach a similar deal with the Germans, so he's very aware of how this works. A separate peace early in the conflict could lead to the military defeat of the Soviet Union.

4:30 it would have most certainly left a lot more dead. Not surprisingly, then, the Soviets consistently pushed the US and the UK towards tough public commitments requiring unconditional surrender and punishment of senior Nazis. There was a deadly shift between the Allies' public condemnation of Nazi crimes

4:58 words that they saw as strengthening the alliance and their actual rescuing of any of the people caught in the crosshairs. It was the fate of the perpetrators of genocide, not of the victims, and that held the attention of policymakers in both the East and West. Often the true force behind the Allies' response to Nazi crimes was their geopolitical strategy and desire

5:27 to retain legitimacy among their domestic constituents. Actual concern for the prisoners was much farther down their list. During the months of 1939 through 1941, the Hitler-Stalin Pact, the Soviet Union had said nothing about Nazi persecution of the Jewish population. They had also said very little about the Nazis' brutality.

5:59 But Soviet radio broadcast accusing the Nazis of atrocities against the Jewish people and Soviet citizens began almost immediately after the Germans invaded the Soviet Union. So situational politics by all. The Germans replied with a radio and propaganda campaign of their own. The SS and local Ukrainian collaborators discovered

6:25 a series of mass graves of Ukrainian rebels that the Soviet secret police had murdered in three different cities near where the Ukrainian-Polish border is. The Germans aggressively publicized these killings to divert attention from their own. The Soviets vehemently denied the German claims, but the Germans turned out to be telling the truth.

6:54 isolationists in the U.S. seized upon the news of Soviet atrocities as a means of discrediting information about the Nazi pogroms against the Jewish people as further proof that it was just something that Russia was accusing Germany of. The Wall Street Journal editorialized that it would fly in the face of morals if the U.S. offered any aid to the Soviets that were fighting the Germans. Truman, then a senator in Missouri,

7:23 When a step further, the U.S. should extend aid to Europe, he contended shortly after the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, but give it to whatever side seems to be losing. If we see the Germans is winning, we ought to help Russia. If Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany. And that way, let them kill as many people within those two societies as possible. That's President Truman.

7:54 before he became president. The offer of a separate peace to the British from Hitler's heir apparent, Rudolf Hess, became the focus of one of the first inter-allied controversies over the response to Nazi crimes. Hess, long one of Hitler's most senior lieutenants, had flown to Scotland in 1941 in an ill-fated attempt to initiate clandestine peace negotiations.

8:21 The British government claimed that Hess was clinically insane, and Hitler disavowed Hess and his mission. To the Soviets, though, Britain's refusal to hang Hess suggested that he might someday be used as a bargaining chip with Hitler. In the fall of 1942, Pravda ran a series of bitterly worded editorials calling on the British to try Hess as a war criminal.

8:49 How could British promise concerning tough punishment of Nazi criminals be taken seriously if they allowed him to live? The British ambassador to Moscow, Archibald Clark Kerr, soon confronted Stalin on the Hess issue. Quote, Stalin felt extremely bitter towards Hess.

9:10 and during the conversations gave the impression that he was still suspicious that the British might use Hess to make some kind of a deal with Germany at Russian's expense, unquote. Kerr told the U.S.-charged affair in Moscow, Lloyd Henderson, but Kerr insisted that the public accusations in Pravda were no way to deal with an ally.

9:37 and he eventually succeeded in retracting an unusual admission from Stalin that perhaps the party newspaper had made a mistake in publicizing the Hess situation. Foreign Soviet Minister Molotov brought up the war crimes issue again in mid-November with Kerr.

10:01 bristled at Kerr's suggestion that the fate of Axis leaders be settled through political negotiations and that any discussion of war crimes trials should wait until after the war was over. Molotov instead favored what Henderson described as a full-dress political trial, apparently similar to the Soviet purge trials of 1936.

10:27 particularly pressed Kerr for a statement clarifying British and U.S. relations with French Navy Commander Admiral Jean Darlan, D-A-R-L-A-N, whom the Soviets regarded as a harbinger of another Western deal with the Axis. Darlan was a key figure in the Vichy French government, even leading the collaborativeness government negotiations with Hitler.

10:56 And remember that Vichy France was a faction that tried to claim that they were in charge of France, but they were very fascist in nature. They come back to play in Operation Gladio quite big after the war ends. During the late 1942 Allied landing in French North Africa, however, he ordered French forces not to oppose the invasion.

11:26 In exchange, he was named military governor of North Africa and received U.S. assurances that he would be recognized as a senior leader in any post-war French government. As far as Molotov was concerned, the political situation in North Africa had been confused by the Allies' deal with Darlin. The admiral may have double-crossed the Nazis, but he remained a hardline anti-communist, and Molotov objected to his role.

11:56 In North Africa, an American diplomatic report on the Kerr-Molotov encounter underlined the value that Soviets placed on U.S. relations with Darlin. Molotov said, quote, said the matter was of great significance. The Soviet government took a deep interest in the subject, unquote. It would be embarrassing, Henderson stressed.

12:22 if the situation with regard to Darlin should develop into another Hess issue. In the Western view, the handling of Hess and Darlin were two separate different matters. To the Soviets, they both were setting the stage for what they anticipated was going to be their getting screwed at the end of the deal. Either way, a few weeks later, a French person

12:48 conveniently assassinated Darlin while the Admiral was in U.S. custody, thus ending the conflict. That's one way to do it. And no one ever figured out who assassinated him. Darlin's mantle in the West was then taken up by General Henry Garrard, G-I-R-A-U-D, who had much the same politics as Darlin, but who was less compromised by cooperation with the Nazis previously.

13:17 One of Gerard's principal political and financial sponsors in Western circles was Alan Dulles. Oh, that's convenient. Who had recently returned to his old Hans in Switzerland, this time as the guy in charge of the OSS at that location. He was also serving as a personal representative of President Roosevelt. Dulles plowed his energy into a series of political operations, many of them abortive.

13:46 designed to exploit the cracks in Hitler's empire. Dulles believed that he understood the political pressures within Germany's ruling coalition. He rejected what he regarded as purely poorly informed anti-German stereotypes that indiscriminately lumped together Nazi ideologues with German bankers and industrialists, with the military leadership, and with old German aristocracy.

14:16 Because, of course, Alan Dulles is there to represent the interest of the industrialists because they're all connected to the U.S. industrialists. So they're very, very different. Dulles continued that each of these groups had its own interests and that they were not necessarily the same as those of the Hitler's government. He believed that allies should have maximum use of these splits in their war against Germany.

14:45 In time, Alan Dulles and his brother John Foster Dulles became two of the more influential advocates of separate peace tactics in elite U.S. circles. The wartime hatred of Hitler and the political dynamics of the U.S. system ensured that when a separate peace was publicly discussed at all, it would be stated in terms of support for Polish nationalists fighting both Hitler and Stalin.

15:12 rather than a settlement with Germany itself. You know, more propaganda bullshit. Assuming that Nazi Germany could be convinced to join solidarity against the Soviets and to step back from its announced intention of obliviating Poland and limit the right to the German-speaking territories it had already captured.

15:44 Thus, John Foster Dulles, already a senior foreign policy expert for the Republican Party, publicly declared in the spring of 1943 that Poland was the place to draw the line against the Soviet Union and that Soviet response to such measures was, quote, the test of the future relations with Russia throughout the world, unquote.

16:10 Allen Dulles, meanwhile, opposed FDR's agreement to seek an unconditional surrender of Germany, calling it a propaganda disaster that made most clandestine negotiations to split the Axis impossible. Allen Dulles put himself forward as the U.S. contact in neutral Switzerland for disillusioned Axis officials interested in speaking confidentially to the West.

16:37 Prior to Dulles' arrival in Switzerland, the U.S. and British intelligence had seen Germany almost exclusively as a target of espionage, not for political operations of the sort that Dulles was favoring. Let's see. Stalin's suspicion of all of these activities, in part, was the result of a notorious 1939 double cross in which the Germans

17:09 had used a promise of secret contacts with ostensibly anti-Nazi underground to capture two British agents. Dulles was the first Allied intelligence officer who had the courage to extend his activities to political warfare, according to a former Gestapo officer, who had established a secret liaison between Dulles and a small group of Germans.

17:38 Everyone breathed easier. At last, a man had been found with whom it was possible to discuss a complex series of problems emerging from what the Germans referred to as Hitler's war. During the winter of 1942, the SS sent German socialite and businessman Max Egon Hohlenloh.

18:06 His last name is spelled H-O-H-E-N-L-O-H-E, to meet Dulles in Bern and fill out the possibilities for a U.S.-German rapprochement. Dulles and von Hohenlohe had known one another for almost 20 years, and their reunion in Switzerland was congenial. Dulles went to considerable lengths to convince the SS that he favored a rapid settlement with Germany.

18:36 He told his contact that he was fed up with listening all the time to outdated politicians, immigrants, and prejudiced Jewish people. That was according to a report that was found in the U.S. archives. Germany would inevitably become a factor of order and progress in Europe following a settlement of the present conflict, Dulles said.

19:04 and should be permitted to keep Austria and several other territories that Hitler had already claimed. Dulles did not seem too attached to the Czechoslovakian question. The notes continued. He favored enlargement of Poland eastward into the Soviet Union and maintenance both of Romania and a strong Hungary as a buffer zone.

19:31 He regarded a greater Germany federated on American lines and allied to a Danube Confederation as the best guardian for reconstruction of Central and Eastern Europe. Dulles told the SS envoy that, quote, due to the inflamed state of public opinion in Anglo-Saxon countries, the U.S. government would not accept Hitler as a post-war chief of state.

20:03 but it might be willing to negotiate with a National Socialist Germany led by another powerful Nazi, such as Himmler. In a second, unquote, in a second meeting, Dulles advised his contact that the SS should act more skillfully on the Jewish question. That's an actual quote, act more skillfully on the Jewish question to avoid, quote, causing a big stir, unquote.

20:33 there would be no war crimes trials for Nazis, obviously with Himmler as head of state. So this is Dulles. And keep in mind, the State Department under John Foster Dulles isn't interested in having any type of a Nuremberg at all. They want each country to do their own, knowing that each country is not going to do anything.

20:56 And he's suggesting that someone like Himmler be in charge of Germany to ensure that none of the Nazis actually are tried. The interesting question is whether Dulles' comments were in fact an initiative towards a separate peace or a psychological ploy designed to sow discord in the German camp by setting Himmler against Hitler. One bit of evidence that supports this.

21:24 is that Dulles was accompanied in his talks by Edmund Taylor, one of the OSS's most prominent anti-Soviet psychological warfare specialists. Taylor made aggressive pro-Nazi and anti-Semitism comments during the talks in an apparent bid to secure SS's cooperation. The most likely explanation for the contradictions surrounding this affair

21:54 is that each side was attempting to deceive the other while at the same time leaving the door open for something. Both envoys sought approval from their superiors for what would otherwise be treasonous contacts with the enemy by describing them as covert operations designed to foster discord in the enemy camp. Meanwhile, however, each representative and perhaps both intelligence agencies had overriding agendas as well.

22:24 They wanted the negotiations for a separate peace to be carried out through to its completion, leading to Germany's concession in exchange for peace with the West in a free hand to continue fighting the Soviets. Recently opened OSS archives make clear that Dulles favorably reported to Washington on an offer that at the same time,

22:52 His contact was reporting to the SS that the initiative came from Dulles. On the SS side, the OSS cables show that Dulles lobbied on Hohenlohe's behalf, ensuring that the proposal would be considered directly by the president and continued to pursue contact with him and other SS representatives for the remainder of 1943.

23:21 His secret correspondence back to Washington makes it appear to be less than a psychological operation because there wouldn't be any need to document the covert operations that he was having without actually communicating, because these were secured communications, that they were in fact part of the psychological operations. So there's two sides to that issue.

23:49 While Dulles was not blind to the possibility of using the negotiations simply as a way of sowing dissension, all of the available telegrams indicate that he saw this as a realistic and desirable basis for a U.S. strategy in Europe. On the German side, captured SS records and memoirs of Walter Snellenberg, a Himmler protege and chief of the SS Foreign Intelligence Service,

24:18 Each indicated that the proposal was seriously considered by Himmler himself. Himmler was tempted by all accounts, but at the end failed to muster the courage to overthrow Hitler. Exactly what Stalin knew of Dulles' talks will remain unknown until we get into Soviet archives. It is now certain, however, that the Soviet Union had its own high-level spy network inside of Germany.

24:47 along with inside of Britain and French intelligence services, and had gained several access points into the U.S. and Canadian intelligence circles. There are hints that the Soviet may have cracked the relevant U.S. codes that were permitting them to read Dulles' message. And it is widely talked about inside of...

25:15 what was then the Soviet Union and now Russia, that they knew exactly what was going on and that the U.S. was pursuing a separate peace while publicly stating they were not. Stalin's correspondence with Roosevelt during Dulles' negotiations with the SS suggests that he could have been reading Dulles' dispatches before even FDR did. And the Soviet Union had opened up its own clandestine...

25:45 clandestine contact with the Nazis at Stockholm. Taken as a whole, it seems likely that the Soviet Union had an opportunity to pick up rumors and perhaps solid intelligence that all of this was going on. The fact that Dulles and the SS went to considerable lengths to try to negotiate a secret and separate peace agreement with the Nazis outside of Stalin was huge.

26:15 If all that Dulles and the OSS had desired was a psychological ploy to disrupt Nazi unity, then why not inform the Soviet Union that you are up to doing that? And in doing so, avoid any risk of damaging the ally coalition. The OSS and the Soviet counterpart shared secrets concerning very high level sensitive intelligence operations on a routine basis.

26:44 but there is no evidence in the available records that the OSS ever talked about this with the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, publicly announced East-West agreements to punish Nazi criminals provided an important countercurrent to these separate peace intrigues in Bern and other European capitals. The Allies pointed to the new war crimes

27:08 UN Commission as proof of its commitment to purge Nazis, while the Soviet had mounted a large, relatively sophisticated effort to investigate Nazi crimes at least as early as spring of 1942. The Soviet Union lays claim to having been the first of the Allies to formally call for international trials, not just investigations of the Nazis.

27:36 One week after the British announced the creation of this commission in early October 1942, the Soviet Union convened its own war crimes panel and preponderously titled Extraordinary State Commission for Establishing and Investigating the Crimes of the German Fascist Occupiers and Their Collaborators and the Damage Caused by Them to the Citizens. That's a long name.

28:07 So, there's no formal affiliation between the group that they created and the one that the Americans and British set up. But the timing of the announcement and subsequent events made it clear that the Soviets' intent was to establish their own commission when they realized that both the British and Americans were not serious.

28:36 Stalin suggested that their commission contribute the information they found to the UN commission, which of course would be embarrassing because the US and the UK had no intentions of doing anything with the information. But there was a catch. The Soviets wanted an agreement with the Western allies that the fate of the Nazi criminals would not be left to a political decision.

29:03 Instead, Stalin insisted that the senior Nazis, such as Hess, should be tried in an international tribunal as soon as they were captured. The British would not agree. But a few months during the winter of 1942 and 43, it seemed as though the negotiations might somehow bear fruit. Internal communication between the State Department legal advisor and Secretary Hall noted that

29:33 The Soviet government has now agreed to the immediate establishment of a war crimes commission and the appointment of a representative. The U.S. should set about by picking its own representatives to the organization. Legal advisor Green Hackworth indicated, because a formal meeting of the commission would take place soon. But three weeks later, the Nazis scored a major propaganda coup against the Allies.

29:59 That was to shake up the alliance to its foundation and leave a lasting mark on post-war politics. On April 13th, the German press reported that German army reconnaissance units had discovered a mass grave of thousands of slain Polish army officers at Katyn Forest, near what had once been the Soviet-Polish border.

30:27 that during the 1939 division of Poland between Germany and the Soviet Union, there had been 15,000 Polish officers arrested. They held them in POW camps for six months, then systematically murdered them. The German announcement said that 10,000 Poles were buried there, though later reports indicated the number at dead were closer to 4,400 with about

30:57 10,000 more Polish prisoners still unaccounted for. Either way, it was a massacre. The early Soviet reply to the story claimed that the Polish officers had never been in Soviet hands at all and that the graves discovered at the forest were relics of a monastery. When the story fell apart, the Soviets came up with a new explanation, which remained their official version for the next 47 years.

31:23 The Soviets conceded that the Polish officers had been arrested in 1939 and that the number of them in the internment prison camp and that they had put them in the prison camp, but they were not murdered by the Soviets. Instead, the Nazis were said to have captured the Polish prisoners during the German invasion, a year after the Germans said that they had been killed. It was the Nazis who murdered the Polish officers, just as they had murdered everybody else.

31:53 The Germans concocted the hoax, as the Soviets called it, as a means of splitting the Allies. There were several problems with this story. Some of them were apparent at the time, and others were discovered later. First, there were documents found on the corpses. The Nazis displayed hundreds of the personal letters, diaries, the Soviet prison ID papers, newspapers, and other bits of material that they found on the bodies.

32:23 all of which offered a testimony to the fact that the prisoners had been murdered in the late spring or early summer of 1940, a year before the German invasion. The method of execution also pointed to the Soviets. The prisoners' hands had been tied behind their back with a cord manufactured in the Soviet Union and then shot. The significance of this was brought home when the Germans discovered the corpses at the camp.

32:53 These clearly dating from the mid-1930s when the camp was under the Soviets' control, where an identical method had been employed. Other forensic evidence was available. The Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels knew that a psychological weapon of unprecedented power had fallen into their hands, and he was determined to exploit it. Now, keep in mind, they're operating death camps.

33:23 They're working people to death, but oh my God, everybody in this story is evil. Goebbels knew the Poles had been bitterly, the Polish people had been bitterly fractionalized since the beginning of the war. The bulk of the Polish armed forces were loyal to basically a Nazi sympathizer, General Sikorski.

33:53 who had established a British-funded Polish government in exile in London. But Sikorsky's government was divided over which country was the greater threat, Germany or Russia, or the Soviet Union. More than a few Polish military officers considered the Soviets to be a greater danger to Poland, despite Germany's ongoing occupation of their country.

34:20 This faction was rooted in military juntas that had ruled Poland for most of the history and didn't like the Bolshevikism that had taken hold in the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, at the opposite end was a smaller organized group of Polish communists and left-wing nationalists who had found refuge in Moscow. Despite nominal support for Sikorski's London government,

34:52 Most of the Moscow-based Poles had little affection for the general and described them as fascist. The discovery of this atrocity proved to be a breaking point. The London Poles at first refrained from denouncing their ally, the Soviet Union, but pushed hard for full-scale Red Cross investigation of the remains.

35:15 Then a previously unknown Moscow-based group called the Union of Polish Patriots announced that Sikorsky had been compromised by fascists and his government no longer commanded the support of free Poles. On April 19th, gotta love that date, a front-page editorial in Pravda denounced the London Poles as Hitler's Polish collaborators, laying responsibility for the slaughter at the feet of the Nazis.

35:44 The editorial asserted that the Polish exile government request for a Red Cross investigation was a direct and obvious assistance to the Hitler provocateurs. The Soviet news agency TASS went further. The fact that both the Germans and the London polls had requested a Red Cross investigation was grounds to surmise that they were colluding together.

36:10 These events rapidly affected ally war crime policy. The Soviets now placed a new condition on their participation in any of them. They wanted more seats on the commission governing the committee to offset what they perceive as British and Polish domination of the organization, in part owing to the fears that the UN Commission would become a sounding board for anti-Soviet publicity. Perhaps focusing on these to the exclusion.

36:39 of the Nazi, what they viewed as war crimes. The British had allocated seats on the commission to each of the British Commonwealth countries involved, Canada, Australia, India, and even South Africa, thus attaining a clear majority. To offset this perceived imbalance, the Soviets now demanded that several of their constituent republic, like Ukraine, Belarus,

37:10 all be given seats as well, to include Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. They should all be given seats. It was a sophisticated political maneuver and a good example of how Allied response to Nazi war crimes was often held hostage to Pope politics. In 1939 through 40, under a secret agreement to the Hitler-Stalin pact, the Soviets had regained control of Latvia.

37:39 Lithuania, and Estonia, which they had lost in the 1917 revolution. The U.S. and the U.K. had refused to recognize this arrangement, however, and that was now used as justification to deny the Soviets' request. Negotiations broke down after months of maneuvering on the representative issue. The British refused to accept the Soviets' plan, and therefore the Soviets refused to participate.

38:08 It became one of the first major splits in the East-West attitude towards the treatment of Nazi criminals and equally important towards the Allied management of the war. The Soviet Union had brought this upon itself because of the mass murder. Like the Nazis, Stalin and his security forces may have also learned genocide by doing it.

38:37 considering their record during the early purge trials and the famine in Ukraine. But the Soviets' crimes in Poland and Stalin's refusal to take responsibility for it seriously undermined Allies' unity against Nazi Germany at the time when the survival of the Soviet Union was still at stake. The atrocities helped lay the groundwork for the Cold War and in time became an enduring symbol of the

39:06 Soviet-Polish hatred of each other. In early March 1943, just as the British deal with the Soviets for participation in the War Crimes Commission was about to unravel, the former U.S. ambassador to Hungary, Herbert Pell, P-E-L-L, shared an informal lunch with FDR at the White House. Pell had been

39:32 without an assignment since the U.S. broke diplomatic relations with Hungary in late 1941, and he inquired of Roosevelt that he might be put back to work. Herbert Pell was an anti-Nazi hardliner who had been valuable to FDR ally in pre-war struggles against the U.S. government over what to do with Germany. He was also FDR's personal friend and former Democratic Party chair.

40:02 in FDR's home state, New York. Shortly after lunch, Roosevelt sent a note to the State Department. Do you think there's a place you could use Herbert Pell? As you know, he's a devoted friend. Pell was not liked at all in the State Department. He was an outspoken liberal, intolerant of states' preponderous bureaucracy, and inclined to go outside of channels to make his diplomatic reports directly to the president.

40:30 When the president had inquired previously on behalf of him, he was told, absolutely not. There's no place in all of the State Department for your friend. When the president's note arrived this time, seeking a new appointment, the department's political advisor, James Clement Dunn, first attempted to shuffle him off to some Jewish relief refugee project.

41:00 which would be a dead-end position and out of the limelight. It happened to be a place where they dumped administration loyalists to keep them out of their affairs. Meanwhile, the legal advisor at state, Green Hackworth, had been seeking an American representative to the War Crimes Commission because

41:29 that was going to be ostracized too. They're not going to listen to anything that happens at the War Crimes Commission. It's basically a dead-end thing that's made to look like they're actually doing something. He wanted someone that could weigh the political implications involved in decisions concerning the issues. But most of all, he wanted someone who was too old for a wartime assignment and Dunn thought he was,

42:00 solving two problems with one appointment when he settled on Pell. It would make kudos with FDR that they were giving his guy a quote-unquote meaningful high-profile job. Meanwhile, they're all colluding for it to be a dead-end assignment. So it was a win-win for them. They got Pell out of their hair, so they thought, but it comes back to bite them.

42:27 In the next chapter, as we're going to find out. So that's it for today's lesson. And you guys are going to love the next chapter. All right. What's going on out there? Go ahead, Ron. It's interesting that you talked about the thing with the Katyn Forest. It's during the Nuremberg trials, the.

43:03 The Russians still kept trying to blame the Germans for that. And it was actually the Poles in the Nuremberg trials that were like, ah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This was you guys. And the Poles would never let the Russians live that down. So that was...

43:26 That was, I was like, good for you, Poles. You know, and this is a little off topic, but I just find it interesting that, you know, it was both France and Britain essentially made a pact with Poland that if they were ever attacked, that they would go to war with whoever attacked them. But they never went to war with the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union invaded from the east.

43:56 A little bit delayed, but they still invaded Poland from the east. But the French and the British never declared war on Russia. So just a little inconsistency there. A little, like a whole lot. No, obviously I was being facetious. Being sarcastic. Yes. Yes. All right. All along, go ahead. Yes, Colonel.

44:24 Related to the Darlan operation and the North Africa landing of General Eisenhower, I know that C.D. Jackson became world known for his intelligence work. I'm kind of a little hazy on exactly what the heck he did, other than it was super sneaky.

44:52 which is not yet an intelligence term probably. And the reason I mentioned this is, of course, it was during this North Africa landing of Eisenhower that somehow or another, he got a worldwide reputation as like the world's leading authority on psychological warfare. And then, of course, he becomes so important later in the 1950s. He's working, you know.

45:20 Time Incorporated, CIA, and the Eisenhower White House all at the same time. And as you know, he gained exclusive control of the Zapruder film, The Weekend of the JFK Assassination. And it might be added that the timing of his death is perhaps it's a coinkydinky or maybe not.

45:46 The guy died literally, I think, a week or two or maybe even fewer days than that right before the publication of the, quote, Warren, unquote, commission final report. And that's just, you know, that's very interesting for the guy, you know, world's leading authority in psychological warfare who gains control of the Zapruder film and then subsequently the population.

46:17 is wondering whether the film was altered or not. Interesting that he would be unavailable for comment because of his death, you know, about a week before the publication of the final report, which we know was itself altered by Congressman Gerald Ford. Yeah. Good point. It's amazing. And that's kind of the thing that I.

46:47 hope everybody's getting. The thrust of all of this research is the same people show up repeatedly time after time after time in critical positions to facilitate the move, the push, the operation to implement

47:16 One world government. And I think we made that point crystal clear last night on the Alpha Warriors show talking about CV Star. And then we made it again at noon with our secret society where we see overlaps again. And then all along just pointed out another one. And they just keep.

47:40 coming up until they become no longer useful, then they have a mysterious death. Again, that is definitely a pattern that we've taken notice of over and over and over again. So, well done. All right. Anybody else? By the way, your thing today with Warhamster, that was amazing. Just FYI. Thank you.

48:14 I so enjoy doing those. It's something that he is very, very good at because so much of this stuff has a financial angle. And then obviously the paramilitary piece of that, it just is so enjoyable to me to kind of...

48:41 collaborate with him on these issues. So, um, really enjoy. I can absolutely relate to that. You know, uh, when I first met him, I think it was like four years ago, he was single and he, he and I would spend hour to three hours on the phone, like probably four nights a week, just talking about this stuff. And so I'm very, you know, it's, it's always awesome to pick his brain and, uh,

49:10 Yeah, I've never known that Warhamster, thank goodness, because my husband probably would have an issue with that. Warhamster only knew who I was because of Alexa. She's the one that said, hey, you need to watch this woman. She talks about all that stuff you talk about. So he's always been grounded and had other things to do since I've met him, thank goodness. SR-71, go ahead.

49:39 Thank you, Colonel. And thank everybody for showing up today and everybody on Rumble as well. It's amazing to me how they decide what it is they want you to know and what they don't want you to know. And when it turns out that, well, we're both guilty. Well, gee, we don't want you to know anything at all. Yeah. You know.

50:07 It is interesting how they blow up, not out of proportion, they blow up an atrocity of their enemy while they are equally guilty of atrocities that may be even bigger than their enemy, but they capture the psychological operations. And that's the reason why as...

50:36 consumers of the information why I wanted to do this book, because I want you to understand that the entire time that this was going on, the American people were the victims of the psychological operation. You were told information they knew to be 100% wrong, and they were doing it to manipulate the population.

51:04 And that's so, so important in all of this. Miles, go ahead. I was on the road today, but I listened to the show. Guys, you might want to go back and listen to the show. It was really good. The thing that kept cracking me up and you is all these people are interconnected and the conflict of interest that, well, what are they being involved in this? They control everything.

51:33 you know, on the financial stuff. It just, well, we already know that, that these people are all interconnected and it's still going on right now. It is. They were allowed to breathe because they weren't in prison. SR 71. On that note, I have to agree with Ron. Both of the shows with War Hamster and Alpha Warrior were just unbelievable.

52:05 The one with Alpha Warrior really got me because a lot of things came out there, but with Alpha Warrior, if you all haven't seen that show yet, it's a tit for tat of mic drops. Every time you turned around, the Colonel would drop the mic and here comes Alpha, another mic drop. Yeah. Yeah. He is so fun to do a show with, you know, because obviously for me,

52:35 I'm going through the high-level stuff. And he will go behind me during the show. And he digs out all of the stuff that I've skimmed right over. And has such a great way of adding it to the mix. Again, love doing the show. And as you point out, the fact that... And there was no planning on this at all. The fact that...

53:05 Again, this is so divine. I sat around on Tuesday evening trying to determine which international syndicate guy I was going to start with. I had the idea to take a couple of the biggies and just kind of lay them out. And in doing so, I'm going over, you know, I've got tons of notes now.

53:30 And for some reason, CB Star just kind of stuck out. And so I started going back through my notes and using Illini's handy dandy little tool that he built. And I started building this overview of CB Star. And I'm like, I knew all of this stuff. But when you cram it all together, there's literally nobody that goes from.

53:57 pre-World War II through World War II to today that illustrates the connectivity of all of these actions and how the cycle just consistently repeats itself and the thing that we learned early on.

54:16 that they all have an industry, they all have a bank, and they all have an insurance company. And so when you start looking at him, he fits like literally every Operation Gladio stereotype that we've created. And more importantly to all of that is when you follow the company, the organism that he created, AIG, and its role in the 2008 financial crisis.

54:45 It's unequivocally clear that they are using these mechanisms to steal our wealth. And then today, completely unbeknownst to me, Warhamster comes at it and takes us right to 2008's financial crisis from a different angle. But they're all together on this. They all work together in the unseen hand in all of it.

55:15 is the secret societies that allow them to work together and for us to not know it. I have said this from near the beginning. If you know their names, they are not the ones controlling this. They are being put out there to draw enemy fire, but they are not the ones controlling this. And that's why I laugh every time I see somebody go, oh my God, George Soros.

55:43 are so many people behind him. He's out there to take the fire. And oftentimes, I know there will be lots of turmoil about this, but I don't care. Oftentimes, the reason that they put a Jewish person out there to take the arrows is so that they can then accuse anybody of paying attention as an anti-Semite. This is all an orchestrated

56:12 propaganda campaign to keep us back on our heels and not aggressively addressing the destruction of our company. We are being manipulated in a ton of different ways, mainly through psychological operations. And we need to understand that. Illini, go ahead. Hey, Colonel, if you read, you know, some of these memoirs like, you know, Richard Helms or

56:42 you know, Shackley's memoirs, and you read it right after you read something by Seymour Hersh or even Jack Anderson, it's disheartening because you'll read through it and they'll just be so level-headed and, you know, talking at the high levels of stuff that it seems like Seymour Hersh's or Jim Hoogan's reporting or whoever it is seems like a wild and crazy conspiracy theory. And, like,

57:11 I think for a lot of us, understanding that ability to go from what we're pretty sure really happened, at least according to a lot of the investigative journalists, to the front that they put on is really hard, I think, for a lot of us to fathom. Because it isn't just that we're not morally capable of it.

57:38 we don't think that we would be capable of selling that kind of a lie at all. Like, even if we wanted to, it would be impossible. Right. How do you understand that? I guess it's kind of a deep and complicated question that I've thrown at you, but what do you think is really going on there? Well, I think they learned long ago that the bigger the sin on their part,

58:05 the least likely it is that it'll be believed because it's so outrageous, right? That is part of, they can do the biggest atrocity in the world. And anybody that reports the fact that they were behind the biggest atrocity, it's beyond the imagination of the American people in the way we see the world.

58:33 to believe that anybody is that evil. So they can do evil. And the more evil, the better, because the less likelihood most people will believe that someone actually did that. And then they employ an entire array of hundreds and hundreds of media trained propagandists.

58:58 to convince us that it's a conspiracy theory. It is so crazy to think that someone would fly airplanes into buildings of their own government and kill over 3,000 people. That's too outlandish. It's too crazy. And anybody that thinks their government would do something like that are conspiracy theorists. They're just literally lunatics. Except...

59:25 When you read Operation Northwood, it's one of the options. They put it in writing. But if you dare talk about it, you're the crazy one. So that's what I think is going on. The crazier their atrocities, the easier it is that they can write them off.

59:50 As conspiracy theorists, even when people like Seymour Horst or anybody in investigative reporting reports on the actual truth, no kidding truth, it sounds crazy. And they then jump on the person that did the crazy thing, which is the truth, and convince Americans, our fellow Americans, that that guy's crazy.

1:00:18 And anybody that believes him is crazy, too, because that's just too outlandish. And never once do they hearken back to the smoking gun of Operation Northwood where they wrote down the fact that that was an option to do. Or if it gets thrown in front of them, they'll say, oh, that was just crazy. And, you know, it actually defeated the intent of our foreign policy.

1:00:44 in the first place. That's another trick that they'll play after they got caught on the Chilean false flag kidnapping. But I guess looking at this and just seeing the huge disparity between what's been held out to the public versus what the investigative journalists are saying, I think it's actually some empirical evidence for...

1:01:11 You know, I think it's 2 Corinthians 4.4 that talks about how the God of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. And Paul obviously is not referring, he's not pointing up, he's pointing down with it. But apparently it's possible. Yeah, very possible. We've watched it happen multiple times in our lifetime. Miles, go ahead. Yeah, one of my favorite moments of today's show is when,

1:01:42 War hamster went, oh, by the way, that was Xi Jinping's alma mater. Yeah. Yeah. So we're educating the people that we are calling our enemies. And but again, another pattern. Right.

1:01:58 Everybody that graduated from School of Americas was used as a dictator to install in a Latin American country that the CIA overthrew. The majority of them were educated at the Taiwanese Political Warfare Academy or CADRE. And we are perpetually the hemispheric follow on to School of Americas has graduated most of the dictators in Africa. We are perpetually.

1:02:27 educating. And that's why going through these universities and the alma maters of these prep schools, these prep schools have international people that go back and run these countries that collude with America to do all of this crap. We are literally educating our quote unquote enemies in order to ensure that they can use them where they need to. Ron, go ahead.

1:02:56 You know, what you're talking about in terms of, you know, questioning things, it makes me think of, well, there's a saying out there that says the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. But, you know, when you dig deep into it, in Mein Kampf, Hitler actually said that Jewish leaders and Marxists are using the big lie tactic.

1:03:22 And the specific quote is in the big lie, there is always a certain force of credibility. People will believe a lie, a big lie sooner than a small one. And then ironically, Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda chief, had flipped this accusation onto others claiming that it was the British, the ones that were using the big lie technique. And, you know, just just from a psychological perspective, you know.

1:03:50 Logically speaking, a lie that is so outrageous and it seems so big and too bold to be fabricated, it just is assumed to be true. And what that does is that plays on cognitive dissonance and just the availability of people to think critically. People are totally less likely to question something so big. It's just like 9-11.

1:04:15 You know, I mean, how many times how many times did I remember when I woke up to 9-11 in 2004 and I would say something? I mean, I would be I would be persecuted mercilessly. And now it's almost one of those things where it's just an accepted fact by the by the majority of Americans. So anyway, just just thought that was relevant to what you were saying. Yeah, that's our 71 go.

1:04:41 Thank you, Colonel. I can't say enough about the two shows between Alpha Warrior and Warhamster. These two shows are intrinsically tied together. And you should watch them in that order. Because the education that we were just talking about, Warhamster comes along and says, guess what? We set up a school out there in China for the people. We actually send them to school for this stuff there in China.

1:05:11 Meanwhile, meanwhile, meanwhile, focus on the Confucius centers here in America. So you don't look at what we're doing over in China. Look here, not there. All along. Yeah, Carl, can you hear me? OK, I just want to pick up on something a lion I said earlier regarding the the journalist who did say key things about the CIA earlier.

1:05:47 I think it's a couple of points here. I think it's important to realize that those comments were mostly made, you know, about 40 years ago. I'm talking about the Jim Hohens of this earth and the Jack Andersons of this earth, etc. And to some extent, Seymour Hersh, although he, as you know, is another kettle of fish. Well, or maybe not. Well, I think.

1:06:16 I mean, yeah, Jack Anderson is control. I'll give you that. But he's still willing to say enough that contradicts the CIA's narrative. Right. I don't mean to suggest otherwise. I'm not simply overgeneralizing and saying he's only this or only that. It's more complicated. However, I think the point about it is that that hasn't – none of this kind of journalism that –

1:06:44 got in the New York Times or Washington Post has happened for about, you know, at least 30 years. And one could argue, okay, well, there was some good stuff that got in during Iran-Contra, you know, and maybe even a little bit about BCCI. But by and large, you know, the later it gets, the less there is. And another kind of...

1:07:12 It's kind of important to to think about that, you know, in terms of like the evolution of the journalism on the intelligence agencies leading up to now. I mean, we're existing now where you have people in their 40s who have never even read any, you know, mainstream journalism, quote unquote, mainstream journalism about the CIA. Whereas earlier, you know, this stuff was in The New York Times.

1:07:42 And it's not to argue that it was either all limited hangout or some maybe a little bit of. But it's just nevertheless, it was, you know, very prevalent in the 1970s. And after that, decidedly, decidedly less so, increasingly less so as we get to now. And, you know, especially I would urge folks to look at I know I've mentioned his name before, but Washington Post.

1:08:13 Intel reporter Larry Stern, I know I've mentioned this about three times before, but this is like a research project for anybody with an attention span slightly better than mine. Hard to imagine, I know. Just look up his whole catalog of articles in the Washington Post because Sterling Seagrave said that he believed that Larry Stern, or sometimes his byline is Lawrence Stern in the Washington Post, was murdered.

1:08:43 He died in 1980, but even if he wasn't, I mean, to look at these articles by Larry Stern in the Washington Post, at one point I had photocopied them all, and of course I lost them because of my poor attention span. But the thing is, there's just an amazing, amazing stuff on Congress and the CIA, and just this stuff that if anybody looked at it today, they'd be like, oh my God.

1:09:09 conspiracy theory right here in the Washington Post. What the fuck happened? They think that they would be on a bad CIA LSD experiment or something. And one last point is that I think it's important we realize about our good friends over on the fake left, aka controlled left. I mean, one of the things that I've noticed, especially in...

1:09:35 in recent year and a half, two years, that the Israel-Palestine genocide has been going on is that the amount of journalism on the CIA has trickled to basically zero on the controlled left. And that is something that's been diminishing over time for a long, long time. And it's like...

1:10:01 You know, that's absolutely essential. If you have a control left that is only talking Zionism and none of the regional shenanigans, and it actually contrasts pretty strongly with, you know, the Gulf Wars of 90 and 2003, in which there was much more CIA reporting. And also, I should note, the opposition domestically was much, much, much greater.

1:10:30 In the 2003 and 1990 Gulf War. And yet, so this is its perfect way to divide domestic dissent and create a nation of people watching their tongues with Big Brother's help. Yeah. And I think that's the whole purpose of it. Ron, go ahead. I just wanted to ask you real quick. You know, you keep talking about Wisner's book. Are you talking about guiding principles for U.S. post-conflict? No.

1:11:00 A policy in Iraq? No. It's like the International Spy or something like that. I don't have it in the room with me right now. That's fine. I'll find it. I just wanted to curious. I was just curious what the name was. Yeah. Hey, all along, don't forget Robert Perry, I think, who basically got forced out of his career for reporting on Iran-Contra. And I think he got the story like two years before everybody else that the Contras were smuggling cocaine.

1:11:28 The Bushes were not happy about that at all. True. True, true, true. Okay. Anybody else? Stellar? She must be working. I don't see her mic. I don't know if her thing is actually working or not. Let me take her down. Bring her back up. See if we can get her mic working back. I still don't see her mic come on. I don't know.

1:12:18 Oh, there she goes. I'm here. Okay, there you go. All right. How are you doing, Stellar? I'm doing good. I'm just watching this. You know, the stories that have been from the past, you know, some are, you know, some are same characters, families, whatever. It's the same story. It's like literally rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat every decade or anything. I mean, it's just insane.

1:12:50 It really is. It's truly insane. It's mind boggling. It is. And let me just close out the show today with this comment, because it kind of sums up what Illini, Ron, and all along we're talking about. When you go into depth on some of these revelations that.

1:13:12 There's so much of the information that got out that someone had to report on it. Or you truly get an investigative reporter and they find something they weren't supposed to and report on it so that there's some revelation that happens in whatever form it happens. Leaked documents, someone doing their job, whatever. What we have to come to grips with.

1:13:40 that I've seen repeated throughout all of these for the last 70 years is when that happens, the organizations domestically that are in charge of the investigation, whether that's the Department of Justice, the FBI, the DEA, the ATF, whichever one it is, the IRS, they have...

1:14:11 in all of these organizations that put a harness, a bridle, and a muzzle on the investigation at every level. And Alf and I talked about this a couple of different times where he was doing drug busts in Southern California. And as you trace the network,

1:14:38 You reach the point where you were told to get out. You can have anybody below. You can't go any further. So in every case, they limit the amount that they're willing to give up. And these organizations that they set up to do all of this are created for that way. There's expendables at the bottom and there's untouchables.

1:15:08 at the top. And they know exactly where that line's going to be drawn. So the DOJ limits the scope. The FBI limits the investigation. The DEA limits the hierarchy. The ATF limits the hierarchy. The charges are then appropriate to whatever level, but they're never going for the RICO level in ever investigation.

1:15:37 in the past. That's the way all of these. And BCCI was probably the most apparent because of the documents that have come out since on exactly what they knew at the time they were doing the investigation and exactly how they limited the scope of the investigation to this one little cell.

1:16:04 in this one little town called Tampa and focused strictly on the money laundering aspect of it. And everybody that was involved in it at the local level, the federal attorney, some in the FBI office, obviously not the leadership, was flabbergasted at...

1:16:30 Hey, there's much more to this. Hey, there's much more. No, no, there's just this. And so then they can say after the fact, and of course, right after that is when BCCI collapsed because they can't use it anymore because it had already been implicated. And what came out was enough to make them have to move to another mechanism to money launder. It didn't stop them because no one at the top echelon of these operations are ever touched.

1:17:01 And that's on purpose. And thank you, Linai, for bringing that up. Because that's something that everybody needs to understand. All of that is on purpose. And it is why it's allowed to continue decade after decade after decade is because the head is never cut off, ever. They just grow new body parts. Ron?

1:17:29 I'll keep it quick. I just wanted to say, you know, it was after the Patriot Act, what the Patriot Act really and truly did, I mean, amongst other things, is it allowed the federal authorities, FBI, DEA, whatever, to actually have access to the state level law enforcement with the fusion centers.

1:17:56 I never considered it until you had just said this, until you just talked about what you talked about. But I was thinking, well, maybe they just want to get involved in policing at the local level. And now I'm beginning to think that that was their way of being able to ascertain if the local law enforcement was.

1:18:21 in uh was aware of their nefarious activities the local law enforcement i mean you can ask alpha warrior they know exactly what's going on and they know that there is a an echelon that they're not allowed to go past that they all know that but well and i i guess what i'm saying is is that it but by by injecting by injecting a federal law enforcement in with

1:18:50 These with the with it, they may know it, but the feds may not know what they know. But by putting them into a fusion center, they have access to more information so that they have a bigger, bigger picture. They still may not know everything, but at least they know more than what they would have known. I don't know about the feds. They know everything. They know all of this.

1:19:16 Hey, Colonel, just to back you up, Michael Rupert, who's written books on September 11th, and he wrote From the Wilderness. I mean, he got started because he worked for the LAPD, and he quit because he kept getting to the higher levels, and it always went back to the CIA or to Washington, D.C. He worked specifically in narcotics, and that was a cause and a cause. Yeah, that's what Alpha said.

1:19:45 Obviously, it makes more sense to him now than it did then. But I want to go back, Ron. Thank you. The whole series that I did on Vietnam, you cannot research Vietnam and not understand the Patriot Act was the Phoenix program. You can't not see FEMA.

1:20:11 is the Phoenix program. You can't not see that the consent decrees that the Department of Justice imposes on major city law enforcement is not the Phoenix program. You can't see that the fusion centers was the cord and all of the other different organizations that were set up in the Phoenix program to control us. You also

1:20:40 Cannot not see that the Patriot Act federalized local police. We have a national police and it is not the FBI. Your local police, thanks to the Patriot Act, are part of a national police force. And that is what.

1:21:02 Obama was talking about when he said that he was going to create a force inside the United States, and I would argue it was already created, but he was going to use the civilian, well-funded force inside the United States that would equal the capability of the U.S. military.

1:21:27 Patriot Act did. It is our Phoenix program, and every aspect of it's been used. That's what gave them the authority to the Quad S thing, putting us on no-fly lists. All of that shit was done because of the Patriot Act. It is the Phoenix program in the United States.

1:21:46 You blew me away the other day, and I didn't get a chance to say it because I had to leave, but you blew me away when you told me that when you said that Wesley Clark was the commanding officer at Fort Hood when they used the military equipment at Waco.

1:22:03 My mind was blown at that. And anyway, but I hope I I don't think I explained what I was trying to explain correctly. But you what you said is 100 percent correct. Yeah. I mean, it's huge. And people don't see that for what it is. And no, I I'm I'm backing you up in what you said. There's so much more to it than you said. I mean, it is. And I have said this repeatedly. The Patriot Act.

1:22:31 is our phoenix program and it has to go away 100 agreed um sr71 thank you colonel for for those in our audience that don't understand what fusion centers are all about i posted a deal and in the pill that they can go reference and look at so they get an idea what what's being talked about when we say fusion centers thank you for doing that but everything about it consent um consent

1:23:02 decrees that the DOJ straddles these large cities with is what led to the chaos in Seattle. There was one in Miami that allowed all of the chaos to go on there. It's basically them controlling local police departments. They use race as a reason. They've had one in Chicago for decades, and it has nothing to do with race. It is a way for them to get their fingers into

1:23:29 the ability to, and that's exactly what happened in Dallas. There were so many federal fingers in the Dallas police force when they decided that Dallas was going to be one of the several places that they were going to pick out to try to assassinate JFK. Their fingers into the local level has to be chopped off. That's just all there is to it. Okay, so.

1:24:00 That's it for today. We will start with Chapter 9 tomorrow on Friday. And tune in tomorrow morning at 11 for a show I am sure you guys are going to enjoy. Because we've got Warhamster Brady.

1:24:23 Ghost of Base Patrick Henry, both of whom I love. And we're going to chit chat about the goings on right now. Current ops overseas at some of the most hottest hotspots. So you definitely I don't normally do current events. I did agree to do this and I'm really looking forward to it. So take care, everybody. See you tomorrow. And they still suck.

Entities here

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Claims made here

Joseph Stalin targeted_for_regime_change Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 4:00

“moving behind the scenes in a collaborative manner. Stalin was well aware of the utility of such separate peace tactics. His own 1939 pact with Hitler was an attempt to reach a similar deal with the G…”

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Poland documented ▶ 6:25

“a series of mass graves of Ukrainian rebels that the Soviet secret police had murdered in three different cities near where the Ukrainian-Polish border is. The Germans aggressively publicized these ki…”

Nazi Party carried_out_attack Poland documented ▶ 6:25

Rudolf Höss attempted_coup_against Nazi Party documented ▶ 7:54

“before he became president. The offer of a separate peace to the British from Hitler's heir apparent, Rudolf Hess, became the focus of one of the first inter-allied controversies over the response to …”

Joseph Stalin ordered_assassination_of Rudolf Höss documented ▶ 8:21

“The British government claimed that Hess was clinically insane, and Hitler disavowed Hess and his mission. To the Soviets, though, Britain's refusal to hang Hess suggested that he might someday be use…”

United Kingdom covered_up Rudolf Höss documented ▶ 8:21

Jean Darlan member_of Vichy France documented ▶ 10:27

“particularly pressed Kerr for a statement clarifying British and U.S. relations with French Navy Commander Admiral Jean Darlan, D-A-R-L-A-N, whom the Soviets regarded as a harbinger of another Western…”

Vyacheslav Molotov targeted_for_regime_change Jean Darlan documented ▶ 11:26

“In exchange, he was named military governor of North Africa and received U.S. assurances that he would be recognized as a senior leader in any post-war French government. As far as Molotov was concern…”

Henry Giraud succeeded Jean Darlan documented ▶ 12:48

“conveniently assassinated Darlin while the Admiral was in U.S. custody, thus ending the conflict. That's one way to do it. And no one ever figured out who assassinated him. Darlin's mantle in the West…”

Allen Dulles appointed Franklin D. Roosevelt documented ▶ 13:17

“One of Gerard's principal political and financial sponsors in Western circles was Alan Dulles. Oh, that's convenient. Who had recently returned to his old Hans in Switzerland, this time as the guy in …”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Nazi Party documented ▶ 16:10

“Allen Dulles, meanwhile, opposed FDR's agreement to seek an unconditional surrender of Germany, calling it a propaganda disaster that made most clandestine negotiations to split the Axis impossible. A…”

Allen Dulles carried_out_attack Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 17:09

“had used a promise of secret contacts with ostensibly anti-Nazi underground to capture two British agents. Dulles was the first Allied intelligence officer who had the courage to extend his activities…”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Nazi Party documented ▶ 18:06

“His last name is spelled H-O-H-E-N-L-O-H-E, to meet Dulles in Bern and fill out the possibilities for a U.S.-German rapprochement. Dulles and von Hohenlohe had known one another for almost 20 years, a…”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Heinrich Himmler documented ▶ 20:03

“but it might be willing to negotiate with a National Socialist Germany led by another powerful Nazi, such as Himmler. In a second, unquote, in a second meeting, Dulles advised his contact that the SS …”

Heinrich Himmler targeted_for_regime_change Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 24:18

“Each indicated that the proposal was seriously considered by Himmler himself. Himmler was tempted by all accounts, but at the end failed to muster the courage to overthrow Hitler. Exactly what Stalin …”

Soviet Union spied_on Nazi Party documented ▶ 24:18

Soviet Union spied_on United Kingdom documented ▶ 24:47

“along with inside of Britain and French intelligence services, and had gained several access points into the U.S. and Canadian intelligence circles. There are hints that the Soviet may have cracked th…”

Joseph Stalin spied_on United States speculative ▶ 24:47

Soviet Union spied_on United States documented ▶ 24:47

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Nazi Party documented ▶ 25:45

“clandestine contact with the Nazis at Stockholm. Taken as a whole, it seems likely that the Soviet Union had an opportunity to pick up rumors and perhaps solid intelligence that all of this was going …”

Soviet Union founded Extraordinary State Commission documented ▶ 27:36

“One week after the British announced the creation of this commission in early October 1942, the Soviet Union convened its own war crimes panel and preponderously titled Extraordinary State Commission …”

Joseph Stalin targeted_for_regime_change Rudolf Höss documented ▶ 29:03

“Instead, Stalin insisted that the senior Nazis, such as Hess, should be tried in an international tribunal as soon as they were captured. The British would not agree. But a few months during the winte…”

Nazi Party carried_out_attack Poland documented ▶ 29:59

“That was to shake up the alliance to its foundation and leave a lasting mark on post-war politics. On April 13th, the German press reported that German army reconnaissance units had discovered a mass …”

Soviet Union covered_up Katyn massacre documented ▶ 31:23

“The Soviets conceded that the Polish officers had been arrested in 1939 and that the number of them in the internment prison camp and that they had put them in the prison camp, but they were not murde…”

Władysław Sikorski headed Polish government in exile documented ▶ 33:23

“They're working people to death, but oh my God, everybody in this story is evil. Goebbels knew the Poles had been bitterly, the Polish people had been bitterly fractionalized since the beginning of th…”

Union of Polish Patriots exposed Władysław Sikorski documented ▶ 35:15

“Then a previously unknown Moscow-based group called the Union of Polish Patriots announced that Sikorsky had been compromised by fascists and his government no longer commanded the support of free Pol…”

Soviet Union removed_from_power United Nations War Crimes Commission documented ▶ 37:39

“Lithuania, and Estonia, which they had lost in the 1917 revolution. The U.S. and the U.K. had refused to recognize this arrangement, however, and that was now used as justification to deny the Soviets…”

Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed Herbert Pell documented ▶ 40:02

“in FDR's home state, New York. Shortly after lunch, Roosevelt sent a note to the State Department. Do you think there's a place you could use Herbert Pell? As you know, he's a devoted friend. Pell was…”

Herbert Pell member_of United Nations War Crimes Commission documented ▶ 41:29

“that was going to be ostracized too. They're not going to listen to anything that happens at the War Crimes Commission. It's basically a dead-end thing that's made to look like they're actually doing …”

James Clement Dunn appointed Herbert Pell documented ▶ 42:00

“solving two problems with one appointment when he settled on Pell. It would make kudos with FDR that they were giving his guy a quote-unquote meaningful high-profile job. Meanwhile, they're all collud…”

Poland exposed Soviet Union documented ▶ 43:03

“The Russians still kept trying to blame the Germans for that. And it was actually the Poles in the Nuremberg trials that were like, ah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This was you guys. And the Poles wou…”

C.D. Jackson member_of Time Inc. documented ▶ 45:20

“Time Incorporated, CIA, and the Eisenhower White House all at the same time. And as you know, he gained exclusive control of the Zapruder film, The Weekend of the JFK Assassination. And it might be ad…”

C.D. Jackson covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 45:20

Adolf Hitler ordered_assassination_of Soviet Union book_quoted ▶ 1:02:56

“You know, what you're talking about in terms of, you know, questioning things, it makes me think of, well, there's a saying out there that says the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. But…”

Sterling Seagrave ordered_assassination_of Larry Stern host_asserted ▶ 1:08:13

“Intel reporter Larry Stern, I know I've mentioned this about three times before, but this is like a research project for anybody with an attention span slightly better than mine. Hard to imagine, I kn…”

Bob Perry exposed Contras host_asserted ▶ 1:11:00

“A policy in Iraq? No. It's like the International Spy or something like that. I don't have it in the room with me right now. That's fine. I'll find it. I just wanted to curious. I was just curious wha…”

George H.W. Bush covered_up Iran-Contra affair host_asserted ▶ 1:11:28

“The Bushes were not happy about that at all. True. True, true, true. Okay. Anybody else? Stellar? She must be working. I don't see her mic. I don't know if her thing is actually working or not. Let me…”

U.S. Department of Justice covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 1:15:37

“in the past. That's the way all of these. And BCCI was probably the most apparent because of the documents that have come out since on exactly what they knew at the time they were doing the investigat…”

USA PATRIOT Act founded Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 1:19:45

“Obviously, it makes more sense to him now than it did then. But I want to go back, Ron. Thank you. The whole series that I did on Vietnam, you cannot research Vietnam and not understand the Patriot Ac…”

USA PATRIOT Act founded Federal Emergency Management Agency host_asserted ▶ 1:19:45

Wesley Clark headed Fort Hood host_asserted ▶ 1:21:46

“You blew me away the other day, and I didn't get a chance to say it because I had to leave, but you blew me away when you told me that when you said that Wesley Clark was the commanding officer at For…”