The Colonel's Corner Interview w_Paul Williams author of Operation Gladio

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0:00 Okay. Hi, everybody. As you guys know, I'm Colonel Tanner Watkins, and I have a very unique privilege for me to introduce all of you to author Paul Williams, who literally changed my life by the publication of his book, Operation Gladio. So I have it completely, you guys can see.

0:29 I wrote in the margin. I underlined, I highlighted, I have read this book like three times because at the beginning of this, I kept using it as a reference as I read other books to compare what they said to what you had said in order to corroborate what I, because again, I don't believe anything at face value. And so I just kept adding to my collection and going back to your book going, is that what he said?

0:56 And so I just want, again, welcome to the program. And I wanted to basically turn the floor over to you and let you introduce yourself to our audience and take it away. Okay, Colonel. It's a pleasure to be with you. First, my background is very, very, very strange.

1:19 I was trained to be an academician. I was trained in Latin and in philosophy. I have a PhD from Drew University, where my dissertation was on such an exciting subject as Peter Abelard, the 12th century theologian. So I began my career by translating very arcane Latin text, doing research that was extremely, extremely painful.

1:48 coming out of graduate school as an anachronism. I mean, who wanted to employ a medieval philosopher, an expert in medieval philosophy in, you know, in 1976? The answer was very, very, very few institutions. So I turned to journalism. I had a background in journalism, in English.

2:15 And so I established a newspaper in Northeastern. No, let me go back. So I began, as soon as I graduated, writing articles for William Buckley in National Review. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. It was really a marvelous, marvelous individual. And one of the smartest men I ever have ever known.

2:41 But I worked for Buckley. I penned his articles generally on Vatican II and Adjournamento and things like that for National Review. And then I went on to become the editor for the Fellowship of Catholic Scholars. I was very much involved in Catholicism in those days and taught in numerous Catholic universities throughout the country. Then I became a journalist. That was really thanks to my immersion in...

3:11 in the National Review and subsequent journalists that I was published in. So I became a journalist. Once again, I had a background, knew the rules of journalism. So I eventually established my own newspaper in Northeastern Pennsylvania. It was called The Metro. I won a handful of awards. I became the first journalist in Pennsylvania to win three first place Keystone Press Awards in the same year.

3:39 And so with that background in journalism, I began to write books. My first books were about the Vatican and Vatican affairs, including the organized crime involvement in the Vatican. Then I expanded to the subject of terrorism. During this time, Colonel, I was a CI-14 for the FBI.

4:09 really a researcher for them. But my work resulted in arrest and convictions of major, major crime figures, including William D'Elia, who was the head of the Bufalino crime family, which was the subject of a movie called The Irishman with Robert De Niro. But I put Philly behind bars. Hold on. How did that happen? Oh, well, I see organized crime. This is an excursion because organized crime.

4:40 thrived in northeast Pennsylvania when the FBI set up offices to deal with organized crime. There were offices, of course, in New York, Miami, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago, Buffalo, Kansas City, and strangely, Scranton, Pennsylvania. So that's where I worked.

5:09 I started to write a great deal in my own newspaper and other journals about organized crime here. And once again, that eventually took me to the matter of the Albanian Mafia, which became the number one organized crime family in the United States and remains so today. So my dealings with the Albanian Mafia should...

5:37 I should add as a footnote to this story that the mob once took me into a warehouse in Pittston. One member of the mob was a state representative in Pennsylvania. And in that warehouse, they smashed my head against concrete until blood poured profusely out of my ears. And that's why I have kind of a hard time hearing to this day. But it was a turbulent, it was a turbulent career.

6:06 And once again, I was brought to the matter of the Albanians. The Albanians took me, this took me to 9-11 and the matter of terrorism, especially terrorism on U.S. soil. Of course, the Albanians were Muslims.

6:36 The ethnic Albanians at that time in the latter part of the 1960s were engaged in warfare with the Serbs, which resulted in the Albanian conquest, eventual Albanian conquest of the Serbs and the establishment of a group called Al-Qaeda in the Balkans.

7:01 And I was following all that, and I wrote for also major newspapers, you know, Washington Post. I was a mainstream journalist at that time. So after that, after finding, discovering the establishment of Al-Qaeda, which nobody knew about, really. Very few people knew about me in the latter part. I'm talking 1996 to 20.

7:31 to 2000. A few people were following the workings of Osama bin Laden and what was going on, not only in the Balkans, but was also taking place in Afghanistan, places like that. But then I started to write about Islam. This is all part of Gladio, believe it or not, Colonel. I believe it. So you got to realize that I was grounded in

8:02 research regarding organized crime. I met, by the way, during my journalistic career, I met Michele Sandana in Otisville. He became the subject of, yeah, the key figure in Gladio. But Michele Sandana, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I also had a, yeah, I spent, I met with him several times. He was a charming guy, diminutive, very meticulously groomed.

8:30 even in prison, and a really fascinating character, and probably one of the leading victims of Gladio, as it turns out. Of course, he was one of the main proponents of it as well. But going back to my career, I started to write about Islam. I wrote a book called Osama's Revenge, which became an international bestseller, The Al-Qaeda Connection, The Day of Islam. I mean, they were all bestselling works.

9:01 And I became kind of fixated on Islam and the fact that there were Islamic settlements in the United States, some not far from my house in northeastern Pennsylvania, a place called Islamburg. And there were dozens of other places like that where radical Islamic radicals, people convert to Islam primarily from prison and primarily blacks.

9:29 were sent to Islamberg and other compounds throughout the United States to be trained as guerrilla warriors. And they were transported by the CIA to Pakistan and eventually to Afghanistan, where they were, guess, surprise, surprise, came to fight with, you know, Al Qaeda and the Taliban against U.S. forces. So all of that made me more and more aware.

9:59 of Gladio, that it wasn't the root cause was not Islam, and the root cause was not organized crime, but that the root cause, as Marx tells us, of almost all things is economic. And so at this point, you don't know about Operation Gladio per se. You're just experiencing all of this. Well, I've heard of Operation Gladio.

10:28 I was familiar with Operation Gladio for numerous years. Of course, in my research, I'd eventually inevitably come upon it. And once again, I had also, I mean, my interest in Gladio was also perked by the fact that I had met Sindana, and I also went to Sun City in...

10:54 in Arizona to meet with Archbishop Paul Marsinkas. No way. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm not a – I was a real – in the old days, journalists actually traveled and interviewed people. They didn't get their information from the Internet. But, yeah, I mean, I wrote about Marsinkas in a book called The Vatican Exposed way back, way back. I didn't know you had actually met him. Holy moly. No, I didn't.

11:22 He gave me the, it wasn't like an interview. He lived in a, no, I came upon him out of the blue. Wow. Well, that's the way you did things at that end. You know, in those days, journalists used handles. I would call him up and say, you know, I'm calling from the Vatican and just here to see if you're doing all right and then lead into an interview. But every journalist had a handle.

11:49 I came upon his place in Sun Valley. I said Sun City, Sun Valley. And it was a little rinky-dink ranch house, really in the middle of a desert. There was golf courses all around there. And he was an avid golfer. And he was a huge, he was measured probably six foot seven. Yeah, because wasn't his nickname the gorilla or something? Yeah, he was a huge, bulking, athletic character. Yeah. I mean, you really didn't want to mess with him.

12:18 So, but yeah, I did. And I had a couple of words with him. I mean, he found out who I was and closed the door. But in any case, you know, I had a background in that. And once again, I was writing about Vatican affairs. So I had known Marcinkus because I was involved in the studies of the organized crime families in New York, especially the Genoveses who, you know, had roots in this area, Vito Genovese.

12:48 the Gambinos, and of course, Michele was the Gambinos' godfather. So those investigations led me to him. So after I started to look into the matter of international terrorism, I came upon a book by Brzezinski. Remember Brzezinski? Oh, yeah. Well, he was a chief intelligence officer under Carter.

13:17 and the creator of the Trilateral Commission, and a major influence on present-day eco-politics and eco-economics. But I read a book called The Grand Chessboard, and that was my first way to... And Brzezinski was very open in this book, with envious quotes from some such people as Kissinger.

13:48 and David Rockefeller and other major movers and shakers within the world of international banking and politics, that the main strategy for the United States and its agencies should be and must be the creation of Eurasia. The expansion of U.S. interest throughout Europe,

14:21 just so when people don't realize this is the european continent it's not really you're it's it's a really a continent called eurasia it's all all bound together in one land mass that extends of course you know from france all the way to china and you know and north all the way from you know the uh the the tips of of of of of france or tips of spain to uh

14:52 to the shores of the North Pole. So it's a massive continent. And he said that we have to gain control of that continent by subversive means. And he said this plan is already in works. Anybody can read that book and come upon this information. He said this is our main goal. He was very forthright in saying this. Let's realize this is a guy in a position of extreme power.

15:21 A guy that, you know, met regularly at, you know, World Economic Forum, the world, you know, the international, the United Nations, every leading forum of the world health or every major world organization. He was in the forefront. And he's stating this and he's quoting these other people as primary sources. Right. So that really led me to Gladio.

15:49 And what happened in really at the close of World War Two and, you know, the the old days of the OSS. And I'll pause here for you to. So and I guess from what you're saying, that key word of subversion is kind of the tell. Right.

16:15 because it's different when you're trying to win the hearts and minds, which is what they're, they basically tried to sell us on, but that was not there. They told us that that was not their method. No, no, no. And never, never, ever was. It's main interest was gaining control of the world's resources. Now, initially it didn't begin that way, but that's the way it ended. And that's the way it's existing right now. Control.

16:44 Because whoever controls the resources controls everything. Forget about the people. The people don't count. Forget about the people, whether they be Muslim, Christian, Hindu, doesn't matter. Buddhist, doesn't matter. Their welfare, their state of debt, that's never a matter of any concern. It's focused. The focus of Gladio is fixed. And it's set on world wealth.

17:11 So one of the things that was very apparent to me after you got me started on this is I go back and I look at prior to World War II, you had all of the colonialism, imperialism for the resource confiscation of resource rich people that were basically subjugated to.

17:38 western primarily but also eastern um powerhouses and to me there seems to have been a conscious effort after world war ii to use the stay behind gladio concept absolutely under the guise of going into these countries these continents like africa and saying okay we're going to say that you're free

18:03 But we're going to undermine your freedom to make sure that we still control all of your resources. Right. Right. And, well, you know, the roots of Gladio run very, very deep. I would say that its origins aren't really at the end of World War II. I think its origins reside in the creation of the Dutch East Indian Company.

18:31 In 1605. Yeah, you could definitely make that argument. Are you aware of that? Yes. Oh, wow. So, again, I start, although I am familiar with that, I start because, again, it's not just the East, but they all had the West Indies and they were doing the same thing.

18:55 So was America in the end of the 1800s when we overthrew Hawaii and all of those other things. So this this was, you know, kind of a universal way of modern day piracy. Only on people's land, as opposed to just attacking their ships. But I take the people back. Generally, I try to start like in the.

19:19 end of the 1800s with the Fabian Society and Oswald Mosley and the eugenicists and all of those people basically doing what you just said about Eurasia and how they wanted to carve up and create Pan-America, Pan-Europe and all of those. And so I kind of set the stage of these are the people that kind of generated. Then we roll into the Bolshevik Revolution, World War I, World War II. And by the time we get to World War II, you've got basically full scale Gladio going.

19:48 You do. You know, you got not only the, like I said, the Dutch East Indian country, which of course was part of the Dutch West Indian Company, but they were sovereign. They had the rights to govern, to establish their own armies and navies, to take care of all the affairs, to kill whoever they wanted.

20:13 to create conditions that they wanted to create wherever they wanted to create them. So they were a sovereign entity within a sovereign state. Now, that idea eventually evolved into Cecil John Rhodes and the Society of the Elect and all these pre-day Gladio. But let's cut to, because we're going to go on an endless historical parade. Can I ask you something about that?

20:42 Your description of that was perfect. But what I instantly thought of when you said that about the sovereign within a sovereign, isn't that what all of the modern day intelligence agencies are? Absolutely. Let's see if I can gain the interest of your listeners, because number one, I'm grateful that they're listening. But yeah, they should be aware.

21:11 to this day that this situation impacts them. For instance, you cannot understand what's taking place in the Ukraine. You cannot understand what's taking place at the basin of the Caspian Sea. You can't really understand what's taking place in Japan or China.

21:39 any of these modern affairs without coming to grips with, with Gladio and the fact that of a sovereign nation within a sovereign, with a sovereign entity within a sovereign state. I agree. 100%. Yeah. So where do you want to go next? Okay. Let's go to 1945. Okay. In World War II. In the World War II. Well, during World War II.

22:08 There was an agency set up called the Office of Strategic Services. Now, the members of that, it was the OSS. And the members of the OSS didn't come from the rank and file of the ordinary. Like I came from an ancestry of coal miners. I mean, I would never have been accepted into the OSS. Ordinary people wouldn't know. They came from the highest realms.

22:38 wealth and society. The members of the OSS at that time included such figures as Nelson Rockefeller, even William Buckley, who I just mentioned, the head of the Chase Manhattan Bank, the head of Morgan Stanley, the head of Goldman Sachs. They were all officers in the OSS.

23:06 And at the end of World War II, there was a problem. And the problem was this, that Roosevelt, who was like Biden sailing the seas of dementia, had agreed in 1945 at Yalta to give Grant, the USSR, most of Eastern Europe.

23:35 You know, the Balkans, you know, all these and all these Slavic states, you know, in exchange for Russia's involvement in putting an end to the war by going to war with Japan, which they hadn't done before. So that was the agreement. Russia will come and help us destroy Japan. And we in turn will give them not only Eastern Berlin, but all of Eastern Europe.

24:06 Well, that was a problem. It was a problem like Biden would make, you know. Right. So, I mean, people like Alan Doss were aware of this. This is really a catastrophe. And people like David Rockefeller were keenly aware of this, but he signed the agreement. And it was held up subsequently by Truman and the Potsdam Agreement. So at the end of World War, at the end of World War I, we're good. We're 1945.

24:34 you had the Russians not only governing Eastern Europe, but also setting their sights on Western Europe, particularly places like Italy, even in Germany, where they, you know, where they were launching, you know, clandestine invasions. But in Italy in 1945, the Soviet Union

25:05 set up the PCI, the Italian Communist Party, which gained political control of almost every city within Italy, including the so-called, what once was the Kingdom of Sicily. And in those elections, the subsequent elections from 1945 to 1947 in Italy, demonstrated

25:30 the rise, not only the rise, but the dominance of the PCI, the Italian communist, fueled by the Soviet Union in Italy. Now that's a problem for us, because not only are they poised to take over Italy, but our strategic, you know, many of our strategic sites, our military bases, were in Italy.

25:58 Many of our, and a great deal of our economic interest regarding Rockefeller and company were involved in Italy. And then dollars came to realize that the problem is not only in Italy, but the same movement, this communist movement was erupting in the Netherlands, in England, in France, in Portugal, in Spain. So something had to be done about that.

26:32 the OSS, Dulles started to proclaim that the real enemy probably never was the Nazis. It's the communists. Because if they take over, if they take over Central Europe and the economics of Central Europe, then the United States lost its position as the leading world power. Here's a word. He was right. He was right. But in Italy,

27:04 Once again, in 1947, the situation was, by 1947, the situation was dire. You can't understand Gladio without understanding this. The Italian communists were not only gaining control of the governments, but the media, the newspapers, the businesses, you know, the industry. And by extension, they're also

27:34 Since they were communists, they had no interest in the Catholic Church. And they had certainly no interest in the Vatican remaining, the Vatican City, within the heart of Italy. So the Church at that time stood to lose its status as a governor, governors of a sovereign nation, and its status as a tax-exempt entity in Italy. In other words, the Catholic Church in 1945,

28:05 stood on the brink of losing everything. You've got to realize that before the Lateran Treaty and the ascent of Mussolini, the church, the assets of the Roman Catholic Church, amassed a little more than a million dollars. It's dirt poor. And in 1947, the church realized it was once again going to be thrown into poverty. And the communists were bound and determined.

28:35 to take over all the Vatican's holdings and to tax them. So Pius XII was, of course, beside himself with dread because this was happening right before his eyes. So at that time, the CIA was created. The first officials of the CIA came from the OSS. They were all men of wealth, and they were all men of incredible power.

29:07 The CIA in the beginning, from the get-go, it was established because, once again, these communist uprisings were occurring not only in Italy but throughout Europe. And so they had to ward off the communists and drive them back.

29:26 A gladiator unit in Germany was established, became known as the werewolves. There were Vatican, yeah, I mean, in Holland and in Spain, there were all these gladiator units. But the main focus remained Italy and the plate of Italy. Can I stop you? Because you said several very interesting things here. So from a military perspective, I've always questioned.

29:54 The threat of communism posed in the immediate aftermath of World War Two, just because of the devastating loss militarily to the Soviet Union in over 25 million people and primarily a significant part of their military was gone because of the fighting that had occurred. And and I'm not saying that.

30:23 Any of what you just said isn't true because it is true. But I'm wondering in hindsight, now that we know that they like to embellish threats to justify what their intent is anyway, from a military perspective, and I would have never said this until I started diving into Operation Gladio, where I question everything they tell us. I understand that that is what they're saying.

30:52 But I do have some doubts only from a military capability standpoint. So I just wanted to throw that out there. Can I interject? Sure. What happened? I agree with you. But in 1947, what happened was, by that time, the scientist, the U.S. scientist who created the atom bomb,

31:22 had sold all the secrets of creating nuclear or atomic devices to the Soviet Union. That's what exacerbated the threat. That's the key. And I definitely wanted to get that out there. Right. Yes. There was a cobble. There was a cobble within Oppenheimer's group. And Oppenheimer himself was probably involved.

31:53 and selling these secrets to the Soviets. And when you stand back, they got everything. Yes. And when you stand back again, and you look at the strategy of tension, they create their own enemies so that they can have the enemy to manipulate us. So you mentioned a couple of things.

32:18 And this is another kind of pattern, and I look for patterns, that the U.S. was very quick to label people like Allende a communist and the Sandinista government a communist simply for the fact of creating labor unions. And like in Chile, you had people that were being paid like 87 cents a day that were mining copper for a U.S. oligarch.

32:44 company down there. And when they tried to legitimately create a labor union, our labor union that was created by their slush fund, that international institute that Reagan created with the National Endowment for Democracy legislation, went down there and did a quote unquote assessment and said, oh yeah, they're communists. That's not a real legitimate labor union. This is actually a communist movement. And so I also often question

33:11 Because these guys had just came out of a decades long fascist government in the form of Mussolini. And a lot of and having lived in Italy for three years, I know that a lot of the people claim in Italy that what was actually going on was an honest to God labor movement, not necessarily a quote unquote communist movement. But it was convenient for us to be able to label.

33:41 actual legitimate because of the thing that you said next, which was the business interest. Because the business interest that the U.S. had, even though it was a fascist country under Mussolini, was huge in Italy. Can you talk a little bit about that? Oh, yeah. As a matter of fact, we're going someplace that I'm just beginning to, I became aware of over the course of the last few years.

34:11 We're talking about the rising of communism. Well, the more I look upon it, and, you know, the sudden giving of all these nuclear... Yes. Yeah. Come on. I mean, it's all part... Right. It was all part, even before they started saying this, yeah. It was all... I hate to tell people. It's all part of the plan. And only because I did...

34:43 Again, I am a 1960s baby. I was under the desk and the drills and everything. I had it beat into my head. And when I first, again, read your book, got orientated into this, I'm like, OK, well, that's legitimate. You know, communists, they're bad. And the more I got to reading, the more it dawned on me, like, what the hell am I thinking? They didn't even have a military left. So what was the real threat?

35:13 Find out about the nuclear giving away of our secrets. Totally. Yeah. And not only that, let's cut back there. I don't remember this, but who are we giving it to? You're right. Look, Russia was devastated, devastated at the end of World War II. And we're giving it to, where did Joseph Stalin? I mean, and suddenly he has a means. I mean, let's face it, there were really.

35:41 militarily and industrially still a backward country. Where would they suddenly possess the skill and the technology and the money to suddenly overnight under Joseph Stalin become a power? Well, you know what else I learned, and this came from my former life in military studies, is that in between of World War I and World War II,

36:08 to hide German rearmament. The secret agreement that Germany had signed with the Soviet Union, they actually had built humongous munitions and armament plants in the Soviet Union using German technology during that.

36:29 World War I, World War II timeframe that the Soviets were able to basically fall in on with all of the technology because they were the workers in the German plants in the Soviet Union. Colonel, it goes back so far. I mean, it really does. I mean, you're talking about even the justification. Like I said, this has to be a multi-part series because let's go back to where you're leading me.

36:58 Okay, let's look at World War II, like the plans were in the works. By World War II, before World War II, of course, there was an attempt to establish the League of Nations, which resulted in the creation of the Council on Foreign Relations, which resulted in international agencies with international concerns, not national concerns. Okay, let's look at World War II.

37:28 Okay, people say, oh, that was a good war. That was a justifiable war. We went in this war to do away with Hitler because he killed at least six, sometimes nine million people. He did that. There's no dispute about that. I agree. He did do that. But okay, so we entered World War II. Who did we go? Who became our ally? Stalin, who had killed over 100 million people.

37:56 So, obviously, our purpose of entering World War II was not to do away with, you know, fascism or tyranny or anything like that. No. I mean, and besides that, the Germans did little to really stimulate or cause or precipitate a war with us. That war came about because there was a quick...

38:25 alliance between uh between uh uh uh they became an alliance between the russians and uh and the uh and the japan and japan so i'm sorry between yeah the russians and japan so uh when uh when japan and i'm sorry between japan and germany

38:58 And Russia. But Germany was involved there centrally. So when Japan was attacked on December the 7th, Germany was obliged by treaty to go into war because Japan was Germany's ally. Well, that's hogwash, too, because even at that point, Hitler himself.

39:27 had done very, very little to antagonize the United States, not even to antagonize Britain. I mean, Britain, for heaven's sake, I mean, once again, we're way off course here, but Britain at that time, going back into 1939, Britain at that time, you know, made an alliance with Poland.

39:53 A last-minute alliance with Poland. So when the people in the German section of Poland cried out to be liberated, because there were Germans, there weren't Poles, by Hitler, and Hitler invaded Germany, England went at war with Germany. And for really no good reason.

40:21 when Germany drove the Brits to the shores of Dunkirk. I mean, the Germans, let's face it, I mean, Colonel, you know this better than I could. The Germans could have done away with all those troops on those shores. I mean, please, within a matter of hours. Right. I mean, none of it makes sense. So even going back there, you have...

40:48 You have the workings, which runs very, very deeply of something that became known as Gladio. And so take us to there now, because obviously in 1942, as you point out in your book, Hitler, Otto Skorzeny, all of the people that are in the SS intelligence area.

41:16 is setting them up internal to the Axis territory. Take us through that. Well, Colonel, think about this. Now, in 19, the Germans are so hateful and barbaric and a threat to the world order that we have to bomb the innocent population of places like Dresden, right?

41:44 where people were melting in the streets. We had to do that because the Germans are so horrible. Well, immediately in 1945, they become our friends. Oh, we really like the Nazis. We like Gehlen and all. These guys are really our friends and we're going to employ them and use them. I can't make this up, but it's what happened with the wave of a wand. So suddenly we're using Germans, we're employing Germans to ward off the...

42:13 the Soviet threat in Europe, including Italy, and that brings us back to Italy. Can we talk a little bit about actually during World War II? Because I want people to understand that the connection between what's going on in Ukraine today and the creation of the stay-behind units in Ukraine as well with Bandera and, yeah, and Stetsco. Well, the Ukraine, most people don't realize, really consists of

42:43 I'm sorry, people are bothering me. They consisted of three different sectors. The western sectors, the sector that borders Poland, and during much of the 20th century, consisted almost solely of Poles, Polish-speaking people, people that shared Polish culture and customs. The eastern part of the Ukraine, the part that borders Russia.

43:14 were Russians, Russian-speaking people who shared Russian customs and cultures. The central part of the Ukraine is the part where they really speak Ukrainian and have true Ukrainians living there with Ukrainian culture and customs. And the Ukrainians during World War II were Nazis.

43:45 They're not. Well, let's just I mean, to this day, the people who are who are causing Zelensky and company and they are really are really being helmed by a furnace that consists of Nazis. Yes. Yeah. And that that's the thing that fascinates me about Operation Gladio.

44:13 in general, is we go back and we look at history and you extrapolate the history that you learn in those patterns and you see it unfolding in front of us today. Right. Well, Gladio, let's go try to speed dial you a little better. So let's go to 1947. So we we create we launched something that became known as Operation Gladio to safeguard U.S. interest in.

44:41 Western European interest, you know, against the Soviet threat. So, Gladio was officially launched in 1947, and its first major operations, or forays, were in Italy. Let's face it, at this time there's a problem. Because Gladio consisted of establishing and funding military units to ward off the communist threat.

45:11 throughout Europe. Military units in the Netherlands, military units in Sweden, military units in France, military units in Germany, military units in Italy, military units in Greece, military units in Portugal. Some vast undertaking, right? Immediately in 1945, Gladio, we are established, we're recruiting former Nazis, we're recruiting anybody that we can.

45:41 To ward off this attack. We're establishing our own secret armies. And we're going to fund them. And sustain them. Until the communists go away. Okay. It's all true. There's a problem here. That anybody should. To this day. Should be aware of. Where did the money come from? Hey. Where did the money. Look at the CIA operations today. Throughout.

46:11 creating havoc throughout the world. Their funds aren't allocated by Congress or approved by the Senate. Where do their funds come from? Where do the black funds come from to topple governments, to set up new regimes, to create chaos and strategies of terror throughout the world? Where do they come from? Well, in the beginning, that's a problem. Where did the money come from? In 1947, when Operation Gladio

46:39 was initiated, the funds came from the Rockefellers. This is very, very, very integral to the whole story of Gladio. It was funded and fueled by the Rockefellers to safeguard their interest. And you got to understand that from the beginning. So eventually, as Gladio got on its way, the Rockefellers were smart enough to think, hey, we can't.

47:07 I mean, we are the richest family in the world, but we still don't have the funds to continue this in perpetuity. So where are we going to get a source of continuous funding so that Gladio will be a success? Think about it. Well, you know the answer. You know the answer. Why don't you tell everybody? I do know. Yeah, you do know. You know it, yeah.

47:35 There is within the OSS and the budding agency called the CIA, this guy who served with Chiang Kai-shek. Paul Harrywell. Yeah, yes, in China. He served to support the Nationalist Army and especially to safeguard them from Mao Zedong.

48:05 you know, and the rise of the Red Army. So the National Army taught Hallowell a very good lesson. Chiang Kai-shek, who, by the way, when I grew up, was a hero. He was on the cover of Time magazine constantly. He held as one of the great men of our century. Chiang Kai-shek. No, people don't even talk about him now. Claire Chenault, Flying Tigers. Oh, yeah. All that. The butter of the Air Force.

48:33 Yeah, I mean, there was a great movie made during World War II called The Flying Tigers, in which John Wayne played the lead. And they were great heroes because it, well, okay, Hallowell came to realize that Chiang Kai-shek was funding his army for the sale of opium, opium guns, okay, that could be refined into heroin. And what they would do is,

49:04 The Nationalist Army, which was still in China at that time, would send planes into Indonesia, into places like Burma and Laos, where there were poppy fields. Cultivate the poppies, refine them, and send them to China. Flying tigers, okay? Where the money could be used, where the sales could be made, and the money could be used.

49:35 to fund the Chinese National Army. Hell of a lot. 1947. The Rockefellers tell us, everybody who's in the sputting agencies thinks, where can the money come from? You know, the Rockefellers, yeah, their riches are boundless, but not endless. Where can the money come from? Hell of a lot. Comes up with one hell of an idea. His name was very apt. Hell of a lot. He was a well of this.

50:04 Great idea. He said, well, guess what? You know, opioids and heroin was used to fund the sole source of funding for the Chinese National Army. And guess what? That could be used to fund our new operation. Now, at that time, and, you know, at the end of World War II, 1947, let's cut back then, heroin was almost unknown in the United States.

50:36 I think there were less than 40,000 people who had any use of it at all. I mean, it wasn't known, and it certainly wasn't widespread. So, Hello Well, meeting with Dulles and meeting with William Donovan and other people, including Rockefellers, said that, you know, we should consider, you know, introducing things, because we have connections with the organized.

51:03 with the mafioso, with the organized crime families. We work with Lucky Luciano during World War II to launch the invasion of Italy at Anzio. So, you know, our friend is down in Cal, the leading mafioso in Italy. You know, these people, you know, they're dealing drugs. You know, Lucky has been known to be dealing drugs up a great deal. And trafficante, you know, these...

51:31 So why don't we use these guys to refine and import drugs that we can bring, the CIA, the new CIA can bring into the United States and sell so that we can fund Gladio. And some of the people, they said, hey, you know, maybe, maybe, not definitely, but there's a possibility that this is wrong because it might impact white America. We don't want that.

52:04 We don't want, you know, we don't, we don't want the white population. We don't. And Hellwell said, hell no. We don't want that. What we're going to do is we're going to sell the heroin through the mafia at jazz clubs that are cropping up throughout the United States. Jazz, unlike at the end of the jazz era, this is a real jazz era.

52:29 The days of Billie Holiday and, you know, the real jazz people start to pop up. We're going to sell the heroin at these jazz clubs because almost all the people that go there are black. And they're a fringe part of our population. They're really no major concern to us. And, you know, they're a race that we really don't like. So, you know, what would be the problem?

53:00 They'll become heroin addicts, you know, like overnight people like Billie Holiday, of course, you know, exposed to this, you know, diet of heroin, overdose. But so this is what happened. The drugs, 1947, became shipped. Well, he knew sources, held on those sources in Indonesia. This is key. And he knew that.

53:29 He knew that the mafia had refineries in Marseille and that the drugs could be freighted by companies that the CIA would create, World Commerce Organization under Bill Donovan, from Indonesia to Marseille where it could be refined. It could be taken to Italy.

53:59 they could use this number five of number four heroin and refined and, uh, inserted into, uh, shells of oranges. It would be covered with wax. I got to tell you a story here though, Paul, if you don't mind me interrupting you just for a moment. When I first read your book and I started posting and doing your, I did a book review on your book. It was the very first one I ever did. Somebody in the comments said,

54:29 Did you ever figure out what the oranges were all about in The Godfather? And I'm like, no, I don't even remember oranges. What are you talking about? And like two books later, I'm reading about the oranges. And I like went, oh, my God, there's the oranges. Go ahead. Sorry. I'm glad you said that, girl. It's interesting because, you know, in many ways, The Godfather, the movie, and that came out in 1972, was pressing. And the book came out in 1970.

54:59 It was prescient because, you know, it dealt with, as you're dealing with 1947 and the beginning of the drug trade in the United States that Don Corleone says, no, no, no, no, no. And like you said, this idea of, you know, bringing in crates of fruit. Well, the crates of fruit. And they featured them in The Godfather. Every time they killed somebody, there was oranges in the scene. And I think that's an interesting connection that I've never made.

55:30 The book came out in 70 and the movie came out in 72. Set up BCCI and Nugent Hand Bank as part of their money laundering operation in 1972. Yeah. And, you know, what's also interesting, I mean, I mean, these are works of fiction, but somehow they got some things right, including the Mafios and involvement in part three with the Vatican.

55:59 Yeah, a lot of it is, you know, a lot of things you see in The Godfather are well-founded. I was going to say, yeah, they're fiction. Yeah. So right now we have the initiation of Gladio, the funding of Gladio. It's all taking place. And, of course, in 1947.

56:28 You have the, you know, thanks to the Denali-formed CIA, the PCI is toppled in Italy. Their threat no longer exists. The communist headquarters are destroyed. And, you know, the Christian Democrats won a huge victory in Italy.

56:49 the affairs of the Vatican are laid to rest and Pope Pius XII is happy because, you know, there's no longer this awful threat facing him. Well, but there's, you know, Donovan and company and Dulles say, you know, there's one thing that we created now that maybe Pope, Holy Father, you can help us with. We now have all this money coming in.

57:22 Hellwell's idea was really a damn good idea. I mean, sales are very, very good. And money is pouring into our coffers. And, you know, holy father, we don't know how to launder it. I mean, where can we go? We can't, you know, run it through banks in the United States and, you know, private bank. We can't do that. We can't even run it through the Federal Reserve. So what can we do? There is an answer.

57:55 we can channel it through another sovereign agency within a sovereign state. The sovereign state is the Vatican City, and the sovereign entity, completely sovereign entity within the sovereign state, is the IOR, the Institute for Religious Works, better known as the Vatican Bank. So, by the end of, by 1947, the primary laundry,

58:26 Now, let's face it. If you look into this to this day and I give you my background on the Vatican, my dealings with, you know, I am a lawyer. I'm very familiar with this. But the the the Vatican Bank, the the inner workings of the Vatican Bank are never revealed to this day. Never revealed. There's no audit of the Vatican Bank to this day.

58:56 Despite all the scandals, the turbulence, the Catholic Church will say, disclose its financial position. And there's always a catchphrase at the end of every disclosure. It says, omitting the holdings of the IOR. Omitting the holdings of the IOR. So in that case, it was a perfect, perfect laundry.

59:26 for the CIA's black money. And throughout the, you know, throughout the 50s, became, you know, the reason that the CIA could topple governments throughout the world, started with Greece and Turkey and Portugal and Iran.

59:59 I mean, all of that was possible because suddenly the CIA is rich. Matter of fact, rich beyond measure. Rich not thanks to the American taxpayer, not thanks to the American government, but rich thanks to two sources, one heroin to the Vatican. Okay, so other laundries have to be set up because so much money is coming in from the heroin trade. Heroin is...

1:00:35 beginning to become a concern because it is beginning to spread to suburbia. Beginning to spread. Not a major concern, but spreading. So other banks have to be set up. The first bank was set up by our friend Hello Well, Castle Bank and Trust in Florida. And all this is, you know, I mean, anybody can, this is all well, well, well documented.

1:01:05 But other banks were set up. And the banks in Italy and in Europe, many of them were set up by a mafioso, a figure whom I referred, who I spoke about before, Michele Sedana, became the leading banker for, really, for the three agencies, for the CIA, for the mafia, and, of course, for the Vatican.

1:01:37 In 1976, Pope Paul VI, no, I'm sorry, let's go to 1969, Pope Paul VI put Sedona in charge of all Vatican finances. And the Vatican at that time was faced with another uprising of communism. So the Italian firms in which...

1:02:05 the Vatican was infested, were liquidated and invested in the United States and elsewhere by Sedona. But Sedona became a key figure and a key figure in Gladio. And, you know, as you know, by this time, you know, the threat of communism, we still have to make the world safe for democracy and workings of communism have to be sustained. Overthrowing and installing dictators.

1:02:36 Including, let's face it, we are now in the Middle East. Yeah. We're now in Iran. Yeah, 1853. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are now, of course, in other parts of Asia to ward off the threat of... Okay, so a crisis occurs in the midst of all this. And the crisis is...

1:03:04 that our supply our source of this most valuable of commodities heroin is in jeopardy because you have in in in vietnam the rise of the so-called vietcong okay who are threatening to overtake the poppy fields surrounding vietnam you know in burma laos thailand and uh

1:03:37 It's a catastrophe. So the threat, you know, the Viet Cong become more and more of a threat to the heroin trade. And it become more and more a subject of attention in the New York Times and other places. What's happening in Vietnam is the onset of the so-called domino effect.

1:04:09 Vietnam falls. All the dominoes will fall throughout the world. That means all democratically established republics will fall. And so we have to come to the aid of the Vietnamese. And here we also have the same situation where Ho Chi Minh had his own OSS detachment.

1:04:38 and was on our side fighting against the Japanese. And then all of a sudden, yeah. The leading enemy, Ho Chi Minh, the Ho Chi Minh Trail. So, but even at that point, there was really no, this really affected me personally. These are, I mean, you want to go back to my days. You know, I thought I was still in college in 1965, but when the problems started to.

1:05:09 It started to mount and mount and mount. But everything came to a peak with the Gulf of Tonkin affair. Suddenly, LBJ, Lyndon B. Johnson, appeared on national TV, and he said, I have an earth-shaking announcement to make. We have to become involved in Vietnam.

1:05:40 The Viet Cong, Ho Chi Minh, these forces have attacked our naval ships in the Gulf of Tonkin. There are hundreds of dead sailors on the shores of the Gulf. It's an outright act against, and we haven't done anything to provoke this attack, but we have to act with force and deploy hundreds of thousands of forces.

1:06:12 to Vietnam to ward off this terrible threat. Well, of course, thanks to that, you know, the source of heroin in Southeast Asia remained. And, you know, that place became visited by such dignitaries as Santana. It was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:06:42 And, you know, leading figures of the CIA, you know, but and it became our presence there, the CIA's presence there to control the drug trade, which is a real reason for the whole thing, resulted in the creation of the Nugent Hand Bank, Nugent Hand Bank in Australia, which served as a new and a major laundry for.

1:07:09 for the heroin trade in Southeast Asia. So that geopolitical condition was created. And, of course, Southeast Asia, at the end of the war, at the end of the Vietnam War, was somewhat, we believe, stabilized until, of course, Ho Chi Minh took over Vietnam and Saigon.

1:07:40 The trade was again in jeopardy, which caused us to seek new fields of poppies so that the trade could continue uninterrupted. And so since we had the Khmer Rouge, the rise of the Khmer Rouge and everything else in Thailand and, you know, overtaking the poppy fields and what massacres and genocide.

1:08:11 the CIA had to find a new source of heroin. And it said it cites on Afghanistan. Yeah. So therefore, you have a 1970, right after the fall of Saigon, four years after, you have really the onset of the Afghan-Soviet war and the cultivation at the same time, since we're driving out the Soviets.

1:08:45 of the poppy fields by the CIA. And, of course, the sudden emergence of Islam, radical Islam, as a major constituent in all these nefarious dealings. Because the CIA is now aware that they can use Islam to serve their purposes. Always have to have a boogeyman. Yeah, look at this.

1:09:16 Possibly in Afghanistan. I mean, you have the threat of the Soviets. Okay. That's not enough to really create the anger and the passion and the ire of the various Afghan tribes, the Pashtuns and all these others. They're not going to become irate by that. But they are going to become irate by the thought that there is a threat.

1:09:46 to their religion. And so Hekmatyar and all these other people in Afghanistan became the new warlords. And they were also, of course, they were also the cultivators of the poppy fields. But we found out in Afghanistan that these people could be used for the sake of Islam. And the Soviets were, of course, driven out in 1989.

1:10:18 And, you know, Afghanistan became a prime concern of the United States. Not strategically, of course, not geopolitically, but for what reason? Because what had then become the world's richest commodity, the source of that, the world's richest commodity was now lodged there. And now, now you had the floodgates open and the flow of,

1:10:49 heroin into the United States at a rate that was astronomical. To such an extent that when I was at the University of Pennsylvania, I could buy, and I didn't buy it, so you can't arrest me. But I could buy a little packet with the image of Osama bin Laden and I called Benny for five bucks. And I mean, that was... Okay, so...

1:11:21 Since the heroin trade becomes, and I'm moving as quickly as possible, becomes threatened once again by the rise of the Taliban, who really are religious and, you know, adamant Islamist, become threatened. They want to eradicate. They said that, you know, the poppies are forbidden by the Quran.

1:11:45 Yes. Yeah, this cannot be. They have to be eradicated. So with the rise of the Taliban, there's a new threat, which we have to safeguard. The CIA has to safeguard the source of their block operations throughout the world, including Latin America, which was gladiomorphed into Operation Condor.

1:12:14 All the various states within Latin America really came under the control of the CIA thanks to Operation Condor and the toppling of almost every regime. Regimes in Brazil, regimes in Argentina, regimes in Bolivia, regimes in Venezuela, Colombia. You go about it. Everyone.

1:12:37 Do you know the only two that didn't get overthrown was British Guyana and Belize, and both of those are UK properties? Surprise! There you go. Excellent. So what you got is a new threat of the Taliban, ergo 9-11, which leads me to several questions. Not answers, but questions. What did Afghanistan have to do with that?

1:13:16 No, I'm serious. No, I know. I know. Why? Since the perpetuators of 9-11 were Saudis, right? Supposedly. Okay, yeah, supposedly. Well, why did we invade Afghanistan? Because he gave safe haven to Osama bin Laden. That's what we were told. That's what we were told. And prior to that, you know, once again, for the sake of gladio and the expansion of...

1:13:46 gaining control of the vast resources on the bottom of the Caspian Sea. The resources are, all these staying countries are really, that border the Caspian Sea in terms of natural resources are the richest countries in the world, including Iran, which you read on the bottom. Oh, Azerbaijan, which is, by the way, the chairman of the Chamber of Commerce in Azerbaijan.

1:14:16 Do you know who he was? No. Henry Kissinger. Oh, crap. Well, I've got one for you. Go ahead. I read a book about oil and pipelines. And do you know who I found in Azerbaijan as a very young attorney working for Sullivan and Cromwell and Standard Oil buying?

1:14:46 Azerbaijan oil field in Baku from the Sweden Nobel family. And the manager of that oil field was a guy by the name of DeMorgan Shield. And George was his son that met Alan Dulles during the deal. And Alan Dulles became very good friends with George DeMorgan Shield.

1:15:12 which mysteriously they both end up on the JFK assassination committee. There you go. I mean, the tentacles are everywhere. It's crazy. It's crazy, but it has now evolved. We can talk about, well, for instance, like I just brought in the Caspian Sea. I mean, much of the riches of the world are centered there. That's really why you have.

1:15:41 All this activity in the lands, including the Ukraine, which does not border the Caspian Sea, but it's outlining the area of it. And, of course, throughout the Mideast. We cannot create a pipeline from Iran to the Mediterranean Sea without going through Iraq, hence the Iraq War, and the toppling of...

1:16:11 Saddam Hussein, who was called the lion of the lion of the Mideast by U.S. forces during the Iran-Iraq war. Yeah, he was totally installed by the CIA. Suddenly he becomes, we have to topple him from power because he's slaughtering babies and invading Kuwait. We had to get Iran.

1:16:42 Excuse me, Iraq. And then we had a topple, Syria. That comes through. They're coming next. And there you go. That's happening already. Yes, exactly. They went to Syria right after they got. Falling into the control of radical Islam, whom we can't control. And the next country, of course, is Iran. And then we got our pipeline. Correct. Yes.

1:17:10 And we see the same occurrence up on the northern portion of the Caspian Sea, the creation of a pipeline that will go under the Baltic Sea into Europe, bypassing Russia. Russia, of course, but that's what it's all about. And the end goal, of course, is Eurasia. You can never lose sight of that. The prize, this is Brzezinski.

1:17:39 The prize is Eurasia. And it remains the prize. So I don't know if I've been coherent or not, but I've been trying to bring us to. No, you've done awesome. And probably is now that's a logical place to break for our first of several shows at your convenience, of course. And I did want to let me grab my glasses, just kind of go through.

1:18:12 and see if we have any other comments in here. Let's see. Albania always seems to be intriguing. Yeah, we just covered Albania, as a matter of fact. In a book that we're doing right now, I have like a book club. This book called The President's Secret Wars, it has a really good section about

1:18:41 post-World War II Albania and basically us trying to create stay-behind units there and failing miserably? Right. Pavlik. Yeah. Pavlik, who was, of course, that's where, that was a source of, you've got to realize, when you're talking about Albania and Croatia, you're talking about countries that we, you know, Croatia, for instance, was not only a Catholic country, but it was a Nazi country.

1:19:11 It was a source of, you know, most of the gold that became lodged within the treasure chests of the Vatican Bank. So, yeah. So our involvement there in the Balkan region is, you know, it dates back quite a long way. And it's presently very expensive. Well, and I found it very interesting. When I was in Italy, I lived down in the south on the Adriatic Sea.

1:19:42 Albania produced boat people basically like what we had from Cuba constantly. They were washing ashore off the coast of Brindisi, which I lived just south of there. And there were Albanians coming in as basically illegal aliens to Italy throughout the 90s in large numbers. Well, you know what's interesting, Colonel, is let's get back to what you're talking about.

1:20:11 Albania in the 1990s. What happened in Albania, you had the problem in what was then Yugoslavia. Yes. And you had the problem of Milosevic and you had the problem of Serbs who were Christians and who controlled these regions. Christians. You've got to realize Mother Teresa came from Albania. Well,

1:20:42 What happened was, this is part of Gladio, we began to fund the so-called ethnic Albanians so that they would go to war against Serbia and destroy Yugoslavia. And so that these regions would become really, and they are now, Islamic strongholds.

1:21:08 At that time, during the 1990s, when we were bombing the delights out of Kosovo and places like that, we were killing thousands and thousands and thousands of Christian Serbs. And under the guise that, hey, guess what? The Serbs have initiated acts of genocide against the Albanians.

1:21:35 Thousands and thousands of Albanians are now being found in caves, and they've all been killed by these Serbs. And it's a matter of genocide. We have to go in there. We have to bomb the living SH out of them. And so that occurred, of course, then under Clinton. It was complete madness. But the result that right now some of the most persecuted people on the planet are Serbs, Christians. Yes.

1:22:04 Absolutely. Madness. It's like, yeah, madness, madness. That's the ending of The Bridge on the River Kwai, but it applies to what we're talking about, right? Sure, madness. But all for the... Except when you realize the purpose is not the advancement of civilization or the further prosperity of the world's population. The purpose is...

1:22:35 material gain. Yeah. And I term the large group like the Rockefellers that are seeking the resource and the resource controls an international syndicate. Because what I found, and I'm sure you found the same thing, when you try telling this story, immediately people will go, oh, well, they work for

1:23:03 The Jesuits or they work for the Jews or they work for the bankers or they work for whatever. Well, yes, is the answer. There's a whole bunch of people in this syndicate and there is no one religion. There's no one industry. There is a collection of an elite establishment that so to disengage myself.

1:23:31 and concentrate on Gladio, I coined the term international syndicate for a couple of reasons. Number one, because it is international. It is not just the U.S. It is not just the U.K. Japanese war criminals, the hierarchy there, the industries there. South Korea. So this

1:23:59 International and then because it is a crime syndicate and what they're doing is illegal. So we came up with international syndicate in order to accurately because words matter. We're in a information war, a propaganda war and words matter. And I want the words to convey what they truly are. Oh, that's you're absolutely right, Colonel. Amen. Yeah, it has been from from the get go as a syndicate.

1:24:30 criminal syndicate. It has enslaved us all. I mean, everything that we're, even the news that you, that we're now receiving, you have to really, and I'm a journalist, I'm a mainstream journalist. You really have to dig together the truth. You can't just accept it. Right. So I have a comment here and I wanted, because we kind of acknowledged there is a couple of,

1:25:03 dual tracks here. Paul says, this is crucial. Paul nails this. Communism was a threat. The colonel seems to miss this and is too focused on the U.S. misleading its own people. What would you say to that? I would say that after World War II, you've got to realize, Gladio represents the strategy of tension. You can't have tension without an enemy.

1:25:32 And if you don't have an enemy, you have to make one. So we have made many enemies who really were not an enemy. Gaddafi was not an enemy. He never did anything to us at all. Okay. He actually helped us several times. Was not an enemy. Yeah. I'm sorry. He was not our enemy. But the communists at the end of World War II were primarily, I mean,

1:26:04 I mean, to give them, to give them by fiat. They were destroyed. Why would you suddenly give them all of Eastern Europe? Why would you suddenly give them, you know, atomic, the secrets to atomic warfare? Why? Why? To create an enemy. You have to have a strategy of tension in order to have Gladio. How could Gladio exist without the enemy? And if you have to make the enemy, you have to make him.

1:26:33 And once you lose sight of that, it's always that case. It's always that case. Right now, what in the hell did Putin ever do to us? What did he do to us? You always have to create. You have to create an enemy, regardless if the enemy has no really ill will toward you or is doing anything that's aggressive toward you or doing anything benign behind your back. You still have to create them.

1:27:03 So right now, we always have to have the boogeyman. Otherwise, you can't be scared. And without being scared, you can't have the strategy of tension. You can't be controlled. Yeah. And that's why you find the bin Laden having worked with the CIA until they decided they needed an enemy and chose him too. That is so, I mean, please, please, please, please.

1:27:28 I mean, Ben lines are number one, number one, boogeyman, boogeyman, right? Okay. They kill him and they never produce his body. Are you kidding me? I love you. Yeah. I mean, all of that. And the guy just disappeared. I mean, come on. We're going to have so much fun, Paul. And I know you have to have a sense of humor. We're dealing with this whole thing. You really do.

1:28:00 Or you'd be so depressed. It's crazy. So I do know that you have to run. I did get most of the, I got all of the questions. People are just amazed. The comments are wonderful in here. And we have almost 1600 people watching right now. We will probably have three times that within the next 24 hours.

1:28:30 Well, send me your questions to the kernel. Yes, send me your questions. Now and then, you've got to realize, you know, I'm an old man now. Now and then I slip in some of my chronology. But basically what I'm telling you is things that I uncovered, not because I'm smart. I just uncovered them by research and by the fact that I was born an obsessive compulsive. That is my number one good quality because I don't let anything go.

1:28:58 If I find something and I want to find the answer, I'm obsessed with it. So I'll dig and I'll dig. And you can hit me with a hammer. You can hit me with an axe. But I'm still going to dig. Okay. So, Paul, let me give you a hint here. I don't like that you just labeled yourself compulsive. I actually chose a word that's much more flattering sounding that means the exact same thing. I call myself persistent. Persistent.

1:29:26 That just sounds so much nicer. Well, you know, I don't get it. Look, facts are facts. The only thing that you can uncover, I mean, it's hard to uncover the truth. And once again, I'm not a journalist for a right-wing organization. I was mainstream, as mainstream as you can get. I mean, I've been published by every mainstream publisher, Macmillan, Doubleday.

1:29:56 Every mainstream, I don't come from the fringes of, you know, I don't come from the internet. I don't come from the ether or the ether land. No, I mean, these are just facts that I uncovered in the days that journalists weren't shameful figures. Well, God bless you because I know that the

1:30:23 The interesting things that's happened to us since we began covering this, I can't imagine having been one of the Advan people in this discovery and revelation. How did that affect your job marketing? Well, it affects you really a great deal because you got to realize.

1:30:52 Now we're going into, let's go here. Do you have 10 minutes? We're going to travel some place. Yes. Okay. And then we'll close with that. This is with Gladio. And I want you, you're listening. I know you're aware of this. That right now, I was a fixed figure on Fox News. It's not a Fox show I wasn't on. Persistently. Constantly. These major Fox radio, persistent figure.

1:31:20 On there constantly. Right now, you know, despite the fact that I'm such an engaging character, yeah, I rarely am invited to appear on mainstream media. And that's due to one fact, that all these major news outlets, let's go to CNN, NBC, Washington Post, New York Times, you can name it. Every major news agency is controlled by two companies.

1:31:53 Black Rock and Vanguard, who are also part. And up in State Street. There's a trinity there. There you go. So you ask, who owns Vanguard? Black Rock. Who owns Black Rock? Vanguard. Who owns State Street? Vanguard and Black Rock. Every corporation you can think of, Pepsi, Coke, Comcast, Apple, Amazon, every major company.

1:32:23 They're not owned by these people like Bezos and different. No, look who owns the corporate shares and you can get it online because they have to release that. You'll find that every major corporation in the world is owned by three firms and they all own each other and you don't know who owns them. So if you're really going against the establishment and like I hope Trump does.

1:32:52 And I pray Trump is successful. Me too. But if you're really going against them, I mean, they are, you're going against really the solidified, solidified force of benevolence. And yet, to a large extent, I don't think I'm, to a large, yeah, I represent like a modern Don Quixote, Don Quixote, you know, who's battling these things.

1:33:25 Really, because just for the sake of the fact that I'm Irish and I love to fight. There's no other reason. But you did that, and that is such a testament to your character that you had, like you said, you were on all of these shows, you wrote, you were published, you've written a crazy amount. And tell everybody, just real quick, what are you currently working on? Because I want everybody to know. Right now I'm working on the biography of

1:33:56 of somebody that maybe many in your audience don't know, a guy by the name of Rodney Howard Brown. Did you ever hear of him? Pastor Rodney Howard Brown. He was right down the road from me. Well, he's a very interesting character. He's created a real crisis within contemporary Christianity. He had the only church that did not shut down in the country during COVID, right?

1:34:26 He is a guy that speaks from the pulpit about the deep state. He's a subject of widespread controversy. He's a subject of much interest. And, you know, he's inflammatory. And what I'm doing is I'm starting to write his biography just because I'm gravitated toward him. He is an amazing man.

1:34:51 I'm not an employee of his. I'm not a member of, you know, I'm not a congregant. I'm nothing like that. You know, by nature, I'm an Irish Catholic who hates the Catholic Church. So I'm interested in Rodney because, first of all, I come from South Africa. And because of that, I can write about what I start, what I refer to the Dutch East Indian Company. I can write about it.

1:35:21 Cecil John Rhodes and the Society of the Elect, I can delve into, because this is all part of Rodney's life. Yes. And there's a thread there that I find interesting. I don't know if it will result in anything much, but that's what I'm doing.

1:35:45 Yeah. So we're going to close there again. Thank you so much for being here with us. And I will get on your calendar so that we can schedule our next one at your convenience. OK. Earlier in the day would be better for me. Like around 11 or noon. All right. We can definitely do that. I'll make a note of that. And we will do it. Yeah. Yeah. So.

1:36:14 Thank you again for being here. It's fine. Yeah. Hey, guess what? I like you. Well, I love you. I've been such a big fan of yours for so long. Everybody here in my audience, as soon as I told them that you had agreed to come on the show, they were ecstatic because they know how much you changed my life from that book. Literally in the last few years. Colonel, let me conclude by saying this.

1:36:42 If you're really writing something profound, I mean, it's not that I'm profound, but if you're uncovering something profound, deeply profound, it has to change your life. It has to. And I have to tell you this. I've written 20 books. When I finished writing Gladio, my entire perception of everything changed. Personally, everything changed. Everything changed within me.

1:37:11 Once you uncover that. Yeah. Yes. All right. So these are my Gladio glasses. I had a fan make these glasses for me. And it basically says Gladio at Colonel Towner. And then the other one is Operation Gladio. And she made these and handed these out at a Patriot meeting.

1:37:40 So we have now a new saying that if you wear are wearing your Gladio glasses, you see the entire world differently. Oh, that's a God's truth. Yes. Yeah. So we're definitely on the same wavelength. And again, I just thank you very much for being here. God bless you, too. OK.

Entities here

Paul L. Williams25 Operation Gladio25 Italy21 Soviet Union20 Colonel Tanner Watkins16 World War II12 West Germany11 Vatican City10 Vietnam9 CIA9 Afghanistan9 Iran8 France8 Paul Hellyer8 Michele Sindona7 United States7 Albania6 Osama bin Laden5 China5 Rockefeller5 Mafia5 Office of Strategic Services5 Marcinkus5 Caspian Sea5 Poland4 David Rockefeller4 Adolf Hitler4 Kuomintang4 Al Qaeda4 Japan4 United Kingdom4 Allen Dulles4 Zbigniew Brzezinski4 Viet Cong3 Ho Chi Minh3 Netherlands3 William F. Buckley3 Taliban3 Chiang Kai-shek3 Catholic Church3

Claims made here

Paul L. Williams authored Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 0:00

“Okay. Hi, everybody. As you guys know, I'm Colonel Tanner Watkins, and I have a very unique privilege for me to introduce all of you to author Paul Williams, who literally changed my life by the publi…”

Paul L. Williams studied Peter Abelard guest_asserted ▶ 1:19

“I was trained to be an academician. I was trained in Latin and in philosophy. I have a PhD from Drew University, where my dissertation was on such an exciting subject as Peter Abelard, the 12th centur…”

Paul L. Williams worked_for William F. Buckley guest_asserted ▶ 2:15

“And so I established a newspaper in Northeastern. No, let me go back. So I began, as soon as I graduated, writing articles for William Buckley in National Review. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. It was …”

Paul L. Williams worked_for Fellowship of Catholic Scholars guest_asserted ▶ 2:41

“But I worked for Buckley. I penned his articles generally on Vatican II and Adjournamento and things like that for National Review. And then I went on to become the editor for the Fellowship of Cathol…”

Paul L. Williams founded The Metro guest_asserted ▶ 3:11

“in the National Review and subsequent journalists that I was published in. So I became a journalist. Once again, I had a background, knew the rules of journalism. So I eventually established my own ne…”

William D'Elia headed Bufalino crime family guest_asserted ▶ 4:09

“really a researcher for them. But my work resulted in arrest and convictions of major, major crime figures, including William D'Elia, who was the head of the Bufalino crime family, which was the subje…”

Paul L. Williams met Michele Sindona guest_asserted ▶ 8:02

“research regarding organized crime. I met, by the way, during my journalistic career, I met Michele Sandana in Otisville. He became the subject of, yeah, the key figure in Gladio. But Michele Sandana,…”

Paul L. Williams authored Osama's Revenge guest_asserted ▶ 8:30

“even in prison, and a really fascinating character, and probably one of the leading victims of Gladio, as it turns out. Of course, he was one of the main proponents of it as well. But going back to my…”

Paul L. Williams authored The Day of Islam guest_asserted ▶ 8:30

Paul L. Williams authored The Al-Qaeda Connection guest_asserted ▶ 8:30

Paul L. Williams authored The Vatican Exposed guest_asserted ▶ 10:54

“in Arizona to meet with Archbishop Paul Marsinkas. No way. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm not a – I was a real – in the old days, journalists actually traveled and interviewed people. They didn't get their inf…”

Paul L. Williams met Marcinkus guest_asserted ▶ 10:54

Zbigniew Brzezinski founded Trilateral Commission guest_asserted ▶ 12:48

“the Gambinos, and of course, Michele was the Gambinos' godfather. So those investigations led me to him. So after I started to look into the matter of international terrorism, I came upon a book by Br…”

Michele Sindona member_of Gambino crime family guest_asserted ▶ 12:48

Zbigniew Brzezinski authored The Grand Chessboard guest_asserted ▶ 13:17

“and the creator of the Trilateral Commission, and a major influence on present-day eco-politics and eco-economics. But I read a book called The Grand Chessboard, and that was my first way to... And Br…”

Soviet Union gained_control_of Eastern Europe guest_asserted ▶ 23:06

“And at the end of World War II, there was a problem. And the problem was this, that Roosevelt, who was like Biden sailing the seas of dementia, had agreed in 1945 at Yalta to give Grant, the USSR, mos…”

Franklin D. Roosevelt agreed_to Yalta Conference guest_asserted ▶ 23:06

Soviet Union set_up Italian Socialist Party guest_asserted ▶ 25:05

“set up the PCI, the Italian Communist Party, which gained political control of almost every city within Italy, including the so-called, what once was the Kingdom of Sicily. And in those elections, the…”

Italian Socialist Party fueled_by Soviet Union guest_asserted ▶ 25:30

“the rise, not only the rise, but the dominance of the PCI, the Italian communist, fueled by the Soviet Union in Italy. Now that's a problem for us, because not only are they poised to take over Italy,…”

Allen Dulles proclaimed Nazi Party guest_asserted ▶ 26:32

“the OSS, Dulles started to proclaim that the real enemy probably never was the Nazis. It's the communists. Because if they take over, if they take over Central Europe and the economics of Central Euro…”

J. Robert Oppenheimer sold_secrets_to Soviet Union guest_asserted ▶ 31:22

“had sold all the secrets of creating nuclear or atomic devices to the Soviet Union. That's what exacerbated the threat. That's the key. And I definitely wanted to get that out there. Right. Yes. There…”

Ronald Reagan created National Endowment for Democracy guest_asserted ▶ 32:44

“company down there. And when they tried to legitimately create a labor union, our labor union that was created by their slush fund, that international institute that Reagan created with the National E…”

Otto Skorzeny member_of Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 40:48

“You have the workings, which runs very, very deeply of something that became known as Gladio. And so take us to there now, because obviously in 1942, as you point out in your book, Hitler, Otto Skorze…”

CIA recruited Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 40:48

CIA recruited Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 41:44

“where people were melting in the streets. We had to do that because the Germans are so horrible. Well, immediately in 1945, they become our friends. Oh, we really like the Nazis. We like Gehlen and al…”

Reinhard Gehlen recruited CIA host_asserted ▶ 41:44

Operation Gladio member_of Italy host_asserted ▶ 44:41

“Western European interest, you know, against the Soviet threat. So, Gladio was officially launched in 1947, and its first major operations, or forays, were in Italy. Let's face it, at this time there'…”

CIA funded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 44:41

Operation Gladio member_of Greece host_asserted ▶ 45:11

“throughout Europe. Military units in the Netherlands, military units in Sweden, military units in France, military units in Germany, military units in Italy, military units in Greece, military units i…”

Operation Gladio member_of Portugal host_asserted ▶ 45:11

Operation Gladio member_of Sweden host_asserted ▶ 45:11

Operation Gladio member_of France host_asserted ▶ 45:11

Operation Gladio member_of West Germany host_asserted ▶ 45:11

Operation Gladio member_of Netherlands host_asserted ▶ 45:11

Operation Gladio funded Rockefeller host_asserted ▶ 46:39

“was initiated, the funds came from the Rockefellers. This is very, very, very integral to the whole story of Gladio. It was funded and fueled by the Rockefellers to safeguard their interest. And you g…”

Paul Hellyer member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 47:35

“There is within the OSS and the budding agency called the CIA, this guy who served with Chiang Kai-shek. Paul Harrywell. Yeah, yes, in China. He served to support the Nationalist Army and especially t…”

Chiang Kai-shek funded Kuomintang host_asserted ▶ 48:33

“Yeah, I mean, there was a great movie made during World War II called The Flying Tigers, in which John Wayne played the lead. And they were great heroes because it, well, okay, Hallowell came to reali…”

Kuomintang trafficked China host_asserted ▶ 49:04

“The Nationalist Army, which was still in China at that time, would send planes into Indonesia, into places like Burma and Laos, where there were poppy fields. Cultivate the poppies, refine them, and s…”

Paul Hellyer proposed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 50:04

“Great idea. He said, well, guess what? You know, opioids and heroin was used to fund the sole source of funding for the Chinese National Army. And guess what? That could be used to fund our new operat…”

CIA recruited Mafia host_asserted ▶ 51:03

“with the mafioso, with the organized crime families. We work with Lucky Luciano during World War II to launch the invasion of Italy at Anzio. So, you know, our friend is down in Cal, the leading mafio…”

CIA recruited Mafia host_asserted ▶ 51:31

“So why don't we use these guys to refine and import drugs that we can bring, the CIA, the new CIA can bring into the United States and sell so that we can fund Gladio. And some of the people, they sai…”

Mafia laundered_money_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 51:31

CIA founded World Commerce Corporation host_asserted ▶ 53:29

“He knew that the mafia had refineries in Marseille and that the drugs could be freighted by companies that the CIA would create, World Commerce Organization under Bill Donovan, from Indonesia to Marse…”

CIA laundered_money_for Institute for the Works of Religion host_asserted ▶ 57:55

“we can channel it through another sovereign agency within a sovereign state. The sovereign state is the Vatican City, and the sovereign entity, completely sovereign entity within the sovereign state, …”

CIA funded Portugal host_asserted ▶ 59:26

“for the CIA's black money. And throughout the, you know, throughout the 50s, became, you know, the reason that the CIA could topple governments throughout the world, started with Greece and Turkey and…”

CIA funded Turkey host_asserted ▶ 59:26

CIA funded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 59:26

CIA funded Iran host_asserted ▶ 59:26

CIA funded Greece host_asserted ▶ 59:26

Paul Hellyer founded Castle Bank & Trust host_asserted ▶ 1:00:35

“beginning to become a concern because it is beginning to spread to suburbia. Beginning to spread. Not a major concern, but spreading. So other banks have to be set up. The first bank was set up by our…”

Michele Sindona member_of Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:01:05

“But other banks were set up. And the banks in Italy and in Europe, many of them were set up by a mafioso, a figure whom I referred, who I spoke about before, Michele Sedana, became the leading banker …”

Michele Sindona appointed Institute for the Works of Religion host_asserted ▶ 1:01:37

“In 1976, Pope Paul VI, no, I'm sorry, let's go to 1969, Pope Paul VI put Sedona in charge of all Vatican finances. And the Vatican at that time was faced with another uprising of communism. So the Ita…”

Michele Sindona member_of Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:02:05

“the Vatican was infested, were liquidated and invested in the United States and elsewhere by Sedona. But Sedona became a key figure and a key figure in Gladio. And, you know, as you know, by this time…”

Lyndon B. Johnson ordered_assassination_of Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 1:05:09

“It started to mount and mount and mount. But everything came to a peak with the Gulf of Tonkin affair. Suddenly, LBJ, Lyndon B. Johnson, appeared on national TV, and he said, I have an earth-shaking a…”

Viet Cong carried_out_attack Gulf of Tonkin incident host_asserted ▶ 1:05:40

“The Viet Cong, Ho Chi Minh, these forces have attacked our naval ships in the Gulf of Tonkin. There are hundreds of dead sailors on the shores of the Gulf. It's an outright act against, and we haven't…”

CIA founded Nugan Hand Bank host_asserted ▶ 1:06:42

“And, you know, leading figures of the CIA, you know, but and it became our presence there, the CIA's presence there to control the drug trade, which is a real reason for the whole thing, resulted in t…”

CIA cultivated Afghanistan host_asserted ▶ 1:08:11

“the CIA had to find a new source of heroin. And it said it cites on Afghanistan. Yeah. So therefore, you have a 1970, right after the fall of Saigon, four years after, you have really the onset of the…”

Hekmatyar member_of Afghanistan host_asserted ▶ 1:09:46

“to their religion. And so Hekmatyar and all these other people in Afghanistan became the new warlords. And they were also, of course, they were also the cultivators of the poppy fields. But we found o…”

Henry Kissinger member_of Standard Oil host_asserted ▶ 1:14:16

“Do you know who he was? No. Henry Kissinger. Oh, crap. Well, I've got one for you. Go ahead. I read a book about oil and pipelines. And do you know who I found in Azerbaijan as a very young attorney w…”

Henry Kissinger member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 1:14:16

George de Mohrenschildt member_of Nobel family host_asserted ▶ 1:14:46

“Azerbaijan oil field in Baku from the Sweden Nobel family. And the manager of that oil field was a guy by the name of DeMorgan Shield. And George was his son that met Alan Dulles during the deal. And …”

George de Mohrenschildt member_of Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 1:15:12

“which mysteriously they both end up on the JFK assassination committee. There you go. I mean, the tentacles are everywhere. It's crazy. It's crazy, but it has now evolved. We can talk about, well, for…”

Allen Dulles member_of Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 1:15:12

Zbigniew Brzezinski targeted_for_regime_change Eurasia host_asserted ▶ 1:17:10

“And we see the same occurrence up on the northern portion of the Caspian Sea, the creation of a pipeline that will go under the Baltic Sea into Europe, bypassing Russia. Russia, of course, but that's …”

Bill Clinton carried_out_attack Kosovo host_asserted ▶ 1:21:35

“Thousands and thousands of Albanians are now being found in caves, and they've all been killed by these Serbs. And it's a matter of genocide. We have to go in there. We have to bomb the living SH out …”

Rockefeller member_of Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:22:35

“material gain. Yeah. And I term the large group like the Rockefellers that are seeking the resource and the resource controls an international syndicate. Because what I found, and I'm sure you found t…”

Vanguard Group secretly_owned Blackwater host_asserted ▶ 1:31:53

“Black Rock and Vanguard, who are also part. And up in State Street. There's a trinity there. There you go. So you ask, who owns Vanguard? Black Rock. Who owns Black Rock? Vanguard. Who owns State Stre…”

Blackwater secretly_owned Vanguard Group host_asserted ▶ 1:31:53

Vanguard Group secretly_owned State Street Corporation host_asserted ▶ 1:31:53

Blackwater secretly_owned State Street Corporation host_asserted ▶ 1:31:53