The Colonel’s Corner Twilight of the Shadow Government #8

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0:00 Okay. Thank gosh, it's Friday. Let me get this rumble stream going live. I don't see any of my co-hosts in here yet. So if you guys would repost this space out, I'd appreciate it. And we're going to get going. Maybe I just dump my computer off in my lap here.

0:38 Oh, my goodness. There we go. So we are on number eight and we are going to get at least this chapter and probably some of chapter seven going. So much going on today. So much going on there. It's just amazing to be alive at this point.

1:19 And be experiencing all of the crazy changes that we're experiencing right now. So this should be a lively host show conversation with all of the different things going on. Renee, I'm going to put you as co-host for until I can get Bridget in here so that we don't lose our space.

1:47 I just threw you the co-host, if you wouldn't mind taking that. If SR71 and Bridget gets in here, I will change that. But anyway, all right, we're going to go ahead and get started and finish up on James Angleton today. So I don't know. Did you see it, Renee? Let me give you the speaker first. Anyway, there we go.

2:35 Now, let me try to give you the co-host button. All right. I just sent you the co-host. And if you'll just give me a shout when Bridget shows up, hopefully she shows up. Because if she doesn't, that means something's wrong with her dad. So we'll keep our prayers that she shows up any minute. All right. The election of Ronald Reagan as president in 1980, as well as his.

3:11 Vice President George H.W. Bush seemed to herald a rebirth of the recently retired Shackley. Quote, on December 5 and 6, 1980, a few dozen former spooks, journalists, Capitol Hill staffers, and foreign intelligence officers gathered in a Washington conference room. They had all been invited by the National Strategy Information Center.

3:40 which doesn't sound ominous at all, a conservative think tank to participate in one of several conferences designed to shape the intelligence agenda of the 1980s. The mood at the gathering was hopeful. Jimmy Carter had been trounced by Ronald Reagan, who favored unleashing the U.S. intelligence community. George Bush, being the former CIA director, was about to become vice president.

4:07 The dark days of Admiral Turner were over, unquote. And Shackley was going to once again be at the top of the spear of the new administration. Quote, before his fellow ex-fives, Shackley read a paper on paramilitary covert actions in the 1980s. As the decade of the 80s opens, Shackley began, Cuban mercenary armies sustained dictatorial governments.

4:38 in two large African nations, Angola and Ethiopia. Now, that was not true. They were just governments that the U.S. imperialists didn't like. In the Western Hemisphere, Cuban and Soviet-trained revolutionaries rule in Nicaragua, which wasn't true either. Those were just people who wanted their farmland back.

5:06 Their comrades threatened to seize neighboring El Salvador. Guatemala is in turmoil for it knows it is next in line to receive priority attention from Havana's and Moscow's guerrilla movements. That was not true either. What they were afraid of is that the rebellion, tie that, be right there, Bridget said.

5:33 What they were afraid of is the rebellion in Nicaragua against United Fruit was going to spread. The list went on. Soviet forces in the south of the Arabian Peninsula threatening the West's supply of oil. Not true either. A Soviet army in Afghanistan and Moscow-backed forces in Vietnam fighting small armies in Cambodia and Thailand. This is so ridiculous.

6:05 Soviets supported rebels in Honduras and Nambia. The real threat from the Soviets, Shackley declared, was not a nuclear one. It was conventional warfare and insurgency, unquote. Shackley was advocating much of the CIA's failed Phoenix strategy in Vietnam be utilized all around the world. While his observations of the success that communism was having around the world may have been accurate, it was not.

6:35 He was not advocating a program which seemed to have any chance of success because the Phoenix program had already been demonstrated as a complete failure. Shackley's program of the three Ps, propaganda, political, and paramilitary, didn't seem to work among regular human beings, especially once these efforts became visible to the public. They'd failed in Cuba. They'd failed in Vietnam.

7:04 And yet they were going to give it a try in Central America. However, because in Central America, just as a reminder, it had worked great. They had installed dictators in every single country starting in the 1950s throughout Latin America. However, as much as Shackley was looking to work with the Reagan administration, a series of articles by journalist Seymour Hersh regarding Shackley's previous work with Wilson, that's Edwin Wilson.

7:36 the guy they hired to traffic weapons, who participated in the assassination of the former Chilean ambassador in the United States, which he did not, made that an impossibility. He looked like Shackley was on his own, using his intelligence connections and background to advise foreign clients called Shackley's Research.

8:05 Associates International. That was one of the front companies that the CIA had opened during the Carter administration in order to hide the agents that got fired, part of what I refer to as the enterprise. But in 1984, Shackley had found a scheme that might get him back into the Reagan administration's good graces. This is a quote.

8:33 In mid-1984, Shackley flew to Los Angeles to see a potentially valuable source, Moniker Hashemi, it's H-A-S-H-E-M-I, who was a brigadier general in Iran in the days of the Shah and headed the counter-espionage section of the brutal Savak. He fled Tehran shortly before the revolution and now lived in London.

9:07 Nozar Razmara, a Shackley employee who had worked with Hashemi in Iran, thought Shackley and the old general should meet. According to Shahemi, Shackley poured it on thick when the two gathered in California. Shackley introduced himself as a former CIA official who was a businessman, but also an intelligence advisor to Vice President George Bush.

9:36 Shackley noted that his duties, perhaps those on behalf of Bush, included obtaining information about Iran, particularly what the Soviets were doing in that country, unquote.

10:09 the overtaking of our embassy in Tehran and the October surprise portion of that to hold them until after Reagan won the election. What are we to make of the tales told by spies? Maybe Shackley was working on behalf of President Bush, or maybe he was lying. If so, the lie is about to get a lot larger.

10:35 and would nearly drive a popular president from office. After some discussions between Shackley and Hashemi, an effort was made to bring other people into the discussion. Quote, the next morning, Hashemi introduced Shackley to Manakir Gorbanifar, an overweight, boisterous, goatee, Iranian expat. Gorbanifar

11:04 Echoing Hashemi's account, later said that Shackley introduced him as a very close associate of Bush and hinted that he might be the next CIA director. That day, Shackley and Gorbanov met three times. During the second session, the pair were joined by two other Iranian officials, including Ali Shahabadi, the chief Iranian purchase officer in Hamburg, and purportedly a friend of Aden.

11:34 Khashoggi, the billionaire entrepreneur and famous arms dealer. Shackley afterward told congressional investigators he had gone to Hamburg simply to get together with Iranians who could supply him inside information on the Iran-Iraq war. But Kashimi's recollection differed from Shackley's. He noted Shackley acted as if he still held an official brief and discussed with the Iranians renewing diplomatic relations with Washington and Tehran.

12:03 and ways to deliver to Iran weapons purchased by the Shah, but withheld by the United States, unquote. Those are the weapons that Bush promised Iran if they held the hostages. This is not the Iran-Contra. This is the first shipment. The Iran-Contra affair was a second shipment of missiles. For many Americans, the Iran-Contra scandal is a mystery.

12:33 There are a number of moving parts, many of which don't seem to naturally fit together. Iran and Iraq had been fighting a bloody war since 1980, losing millions on each side. An Iranian-backed militia, Hezbollah, had taken three American hostages, one of which was William Buckley, the CIA chief in Lebanon. Iran had some Soviet weaponry.

13:01 they thought the Americans might be interested in. In return, they wanted some newer American weapons. Because, again, everything that Iran had that was up to date had already been supplied by the U.S. because we were supplying the Shah, i.e. Iran, with updated weaponry.

13:29 The Reagan administration was prohibited by a congressional resolution called the Boland Amendment, which prohibited the U.S. government from giving military aid to the Contra rebels fighting against the Nicaraguan government. Israel, feeling isolated and surrounded by the Middle East by the enemies, was anxious to do anything to lower the tensions with Iran, which included transporting weapons, i.e. missiles, to Iran.

13:58 as a middleman from the U.S. to do so against U.S. law. To complete this picture, from 1979 to 81, Iran held 52 American diplomat hostages, humiliating the Carter administration, allowing Ronald Reagan to win. And finally, the Democrats in America were reasonably concerned that Reagan's efforts to fight communism in Central America would lead to another debacle like the Vietnam War.

14:28 which of course it did. Shackley's proposed deal, which might involve a weapon, a transfer of weapons to the Iranians in return for the release of the Hezbollah hostages, as well as possible cash payment, did not meet with enthusiasm at the State Department. Quote, Gorbanov did not give up. He made contact with two Israelis, Al Swimmer, and that's spelled S-C-H-W-I-M-M-E-R.

14:58 an advisor to Prime Minister Shimon Peres, and Nimradi, an Israeli businessman. He proposed that the Israeli secretly sell him tow missiles for Iran. In return, he would arrange the release of William Buckley. About then, Michael Leden, L-E-E-D-E-N, the one-time business associate of Shackley,

15:24 was now on the National Security Council as a consultant, was trying to persuade Robert McFarlane, the National Security Advisor, to consider a joint U.S.-Israeli initiative regarding Iran. Liden's effort coincided with an evaluation being conducted by the U.S. intelligence community of policy towards Iran. Government geostrategist.

15:51 were considering an opening to Iran, and a CIA memo suggested that arms sales through an ally could kick off a dialogue with Iran. This is them trying to make good on Bush's promise. Lead in that with Prime Minister Perez, who said that Israel wanted the U.S. approval to sell the armaments to Iran, unquote.

16:18 And see, he doesn't know there's two parts to this, just for clarification. That's in another book. And we'll get to that book, but it is overwhelming documentation that there were actual two shipments. When viewed from a distance, much of it strikes one as business as usual among the secretive parts of the government.

16:44 Are we really surprised that even though crowds in Tehran streets would march daily shouting death to America, that Iranian leaders would be looking for ways to work with the Americans? That's not all that unusual for lots of reasons, and we'll get to them. And with Americans being held by Hezbollah, including a CIA station chief, it is unreasonable that the government wouldn't be considering

17:14 Every crazy idea to get those people home. Perhaps this would not have been such a scandal if not for the intervention of Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who apparently came up with a plan to divert some money from the sale of American arms to Iran to fund the Nicaraguan Contras, despite a congressional ban on such activity.

17:42 From the book, Blonde Ghost, Ted Shackley and the Crusades of the CIA, quote, the Iran initiative quickly developed its own momentum. The arms sale to Iran, at first a one-shot deal, would snowball into an 18-month-long project. It would become intertwined with the White House's covert and arguably illegal, it's not arguably, it was definitely illegal, campaign to arm the Contra.

18:12 rebels fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. It would fail. When revealed, it would spark public outrage, congressional investigations, a grand jury probe, and several trials, and drag Shackley back onto the public stage, unquote. One of the individuals most responsible for bringing light to the Iran-Contra scandal, as well as dragging Shackley back into the public,

18:39 was a lawyer named Danny Sheehan. S-H-E-E-H-A-N. It was ironic, in a way, as Sheehan started out his adult life wanting to become a Green Beret, taking Roxy classes at Northeastern University in 1964. However, Sheehan became disgruntled by his training, eventually leaving for Harvard, graduating from Harvard Law School, as well as attending their Divinity School.

19:07 He eventually served as general counsel to the Jesuit office in Washington, D.C., and spent much of the time considering becoming a Jesuit priest. Sheehan often joked that in the role, he was the beneficiary of the CIA, the Catholic intelligence agency, as their clergy around the world often knew better what was happening than any intelligence agency.

19:35 Danny Sheehan worked on many high-profile cases, including the Pentagon paper case, detailing nearly 40 years of government lying about Vietnam, and the Karen Silkwood case, the nuclear plant employee who had uncovered safety problems and then died in a quote-unquote mysterious car crash.

20:00 Although Sheehan's role in these cases is a matter of public record and to many shining examples of a search for truth, Sheehan sees those cases differently. While the Pentagon paper case in which the New York Times and Washington Post jointly published documents in 1971 showing the lies of the government had told about the Vietnam for decades, and of course it was done in 71, you know, because it was Nixon.

20:30 Sheehan claims the intelligence agency kept the most explosive information from those revelations, namely the CIA's participation in the Phoenix program. And the Karen Silkwood case turned into an Oscar-winning 1984 film, Silkwood with Meryl Streep, Cher, and Kurt Russell, concealing the critical part of the story, according to Sheehan.

20:53 The movie itself plays out as Streep trying to get the truth of unsafe practices at a nuclear plant and encountering corporate evil. While the part was true, according to Sheehan, there was another level to it. Namely, the nuclear material was secretly being diverted from the plant to help the Israeli nuclear program. When Sheehan started this

21:20 discover information about what Reagan administration was doing in Central America and linked it back to the intelligence officials he'd been pursuing for decades, it seemed as if he had found a way to go after what he perceived the Americans' greatest villains. Sheehan got most of his information from two controversial people, Gene Wheaton and Carl Jenkins. As Wheaton explained to Sheehan, quote, a whole crew was running amok.

21:50 supporting the Contras, conducting covert activities elsewhere. Drugs were involved. Some of this gang had engaged in corrupt government business in Iran and Southeast Asia. Now, the same old boys were running weapons to Latin America. Central to the whole shebang was a former CIA officer called Ted Shackley. Sheehan was captivated. He had struck the motherlode, unquote.

22:20 became central to a cause Sheehan would pursue for the next several years, namely that Shackley was the center of a quote-unquote secret team of former CIA assassins available around the world for sale to the highest bidder. And I just want to contrast this with the role that Otto Skorzeny played, because that's exactly the role that Otto Skorzeny played.

22:50 for this entire apparatus. Sheehan would be unsuccessful in this effort with his supporters claiming it was because the intelligence agency didn't want to reveal their dirty laundry, while his critics said it was because Sheehan was deluded in his accusations. What cannot be denied is that Sheehan's investigation led directly to the revelation of the Iran-Contra affair. Quote, throughout the winter and spring as Sheehan

23:22 talked to Wheaton and Jenkins, he had something else on his mind, a two-year-old bombing in Nicaragua. On May 30, 1984, a bomb had exploded at a press conference in Nicaragua that was being held by Eden Pastora, P-A-S-T-O-R-A, a maverick Contra leader who resisted cooperating with the CIA and the main Contra force. Several people were killed.

23:50 but not Pastora. Afterwards, Tony Avergan, A-V-I-R-G-A-N, an American journalist who suffered shrapnel wounds, and his wife, Martha Honey, set out to uncover who plotted the attack. A year later, they produced a book that charged a small group of Americans and Cuban exiles, you know, Shackley's buddies, that he trained at the Miami station.

24:19 Some with ties to the CIA and the Contras with planning the murderous assault. One of the persons fingered was John Hall, H-U-L-L, a Contra supporter who had a ranch in Costa Rica. We've talked about this guy a lot because that is one of the staging places, this guy's ranch. He had landing strips on his ranch.

24:47 They used it night and day. In a relationship with North and the CIA, their report noted that some of the Contra supporters were moonlighting in the drug trade. They weren't moonlighting, that was the entire purpose of it. Sheehan's investigation of the LaPenta bombing could lead him into a dark world of intelligence operatives fueling a lurid story.

25:16 which I find has echoes of what I read in the news every day. I understand that in the eyes of many, Sheehan's claims have been dismissed, but for me, I still consider the accusations an open question. They're not even a question. Quote, in Sheehan's secret history, Shackley and his comrades had conspired with the mafia in Miami and then transferred to Laos.

25:46 where they allied themselves with drug-dealing Ving Kao and used his dirty profits to fund a clandestine operation that assassinated over 100,000 civilians in Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand. In Cambodia, it was over a million. The results of their stuff. Next, Shackley and company directed the overthrow of Allende in Chile.

26:13 Once that was accomplished, Shackley and Saigon Station Chief ran the Phoenix program and financed it with drug money from Vang Pao. And actually, it's the CIA's drug money, not Vang Pao. I understand how they like to make him the villain, but he was just one of many in a series. And it's really weird that in all of these accounts, they leave Chiang Kai-shek out of it.

26:42 Colonel, Colonel, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I see you invited me and I keep pushing the button to accept the invitation to host co-host, but it's not working. It's not working. So I don't want you to get buggered up by me not being able to get out to bring someone else. And I'll send it to him. Bridget should be here any minute. Cool. All right. Thank you.

27:06 Then in 1973, Shackley and Clines created their own private communist assassination and unconventional warfare program. Shackley and Clines created their own private, and they weren't assassinating communists, by the way. They were assassinating indigenous people that wanted their government back and wanted their country back.

27:35 They set up a base in Tehran and retained Edwin Wilson to head an assassination program. The secret team banked its drug money at Nugent Hand Bank in Australia. It offered assassination services to Somoza in Nicaragua, the bad guy. The Shackley Cabal formed EATSCO.

28:04 which stood for Egyptian American Air Transport and Services Corporation. And ETSCO was an airline just like Air America. And it also entailed like ground ops. So it was a whole package. They could deploy anywhere to support any of their drug ops for their assassination programs. And it was that airline that was flying the weapons into the Contras.

28:34 When the Reagan administration decided to sell arms secretly to Iran, the White House turned to the professionals, which was Shackley's secret team, unquote. While the allegations by Sheehan were detailed, they were never proven. Whether one thinks Sheehan did a bad job making wild accusations or whether he was prevented from getting the needed information by the intelligence community depends on who you ask.

29:00 Sheehan's accusations have strong partisans and equally strong detractors. And it's weird to me, I'm just going to say this out loud, there's so many books that document all of this with witnesses, like the guy that survived the plane crash that was shot down in Nicaragua. This has unequivocally been proven. He wrote this book in 2024. I don't know if he just didn't know about those other books.

29:27 But I find it weird that he's saying that it's still an open question. We interviewed Sheehan for this book in 2024, and it is what he had to say of Shackley that was of interest to the author. Quote, he was the most malignant individual perhaps in the history of the United States who was put into a position of authority by a president. He supported the malignant.

29:54 activities of a massive drug smuggling political assassination and ultimately supervised a team of people who assassinated the president of the United States, JFK, unquote. Sheehan also asserted that Shackley was the protege of Nazi Major Reinhard Galen. And again, you wonder why I just said Shackley is

30:22 Otto Skorzeny's alter ego, that's why. Because they developed Shackley to be the Otto Skorzeny of the CIA. Reinhard Galen, who was recruited by Western intelligence after World War II and served NATO 26 years, served NATO under the German BND with the stay-behind program that he brought.

30:57 to NATO. That original trainer was Otto Skorzeny. But even the author of the most detailed account of Shackley's life admits that there are mysteries about Shackley that we'll never know. In the epilogue to Blonde Ghost, here's a quote. Theodore Shackley lived the Cold War in the name of America. He sent for, he didn't do it in the name of America, I'm sorry.

31:23 He did it in the name of the people that was running the CIA, and that was not America. That was not the American government. They did all of this for oligarchs. Back to the quote. He managed a small secret war against Cuba that oversaw a larger one in Laos. He directed intelligence in Vietnam during the war of profound intelligence failures because he wasn't running an intelligence program. He was running an assassination program.

31:56 In Washington, Shackley signed the orders for scores of espionage and covert action operations around the globe. He was responsible for ugly things, political payoffs, the suborning of journalists, the enlistment of spies, the misleading of Congress. His flight towards the director's chair stalled. After he left the agency, he was ensnared in scandals that bared

32:24 the senior side of the clandestine struggle of the United States with the Soviet Union. The Iran-Contra affair was propelled by the calculations of geostrategists obsessed with achieving an edge over Moscow. And see, I'm sorry that I keep interrupting his quote, but that's just a bold-faced lie. Moscow was a boogeyman. They were doing all of this shit to secure resources. I'd send a DM to this guy. I really wish I could talk to this guy.

32:54 even if it meant selling arms to a country they derided as a terrorist state or promoting a war in the jungles of Central America, unquote. What is left unsaid is that while Shackley's life did encompass a great deal of the Cold War, the American people paid for that work. And yet we do not have an accounting of it because so much of it still remains classified. It is left to people like me and Danny Shahan.

33:22 to try to uncover the truth. In early 2002, after I rescued my family from the secret base that poisoned us, I was walking in the atrium with my attorney, Clint Blackman, as we were on our way to see the CIA's Office of General Counsel when Ted Shackley, just a few months away from death, walked past me. I recall the brief, weird meeting in his office in 1998 and couldn't help but recall one of the things

33:52 I stumbled across at the secret base where I had been sent, where buried weapons and munitions from the Phoenix program, which Shackley had ran in Vietnam. Had it been a coincidence that Shackley had sent me and my family to that facility where we'd become sick and nearly died? Did he consider me a colleague, a fellow patriot, or because of what I uncovered, was I an enemy that needed to be put down like he had done so many before?

34:20 When Shackley died in December 2002, his career received glowing coverage in the New York Times and Washington Post, almost as if the agency itself was honoring him. This is what the New York Times had to say, quote, Mr. Shackley was a three-time recipient of the Distinguished Intelligence Medal, the CIA's highest honor. In nearly three decades of service, the agency, he was on the front lines, though serendipitously.

34:48 in the Cold War against communism. Mr. Shackley was the subject of the book Blonde Ghost, published by Simon & Schuster in 1994. The author, David Korn, described Mr. Shackley as one of the CIA's best and brightest, a good bet to become director of Central Intelligence, until his career ran off tracks, unquote. Well, that's a nice little opening, right? But they needed to deal with a couple of unpleasant allegations.

35:15 that were on the public record, so they didn't waste any time dispelling those rumors. Quote, he served in the hot spots of West Berlin, Saigon, and Paris, or excuse me, Laos, and other places in a career that lasted from 51 to 79. It actually lasted much longer. Along the way, he involved in some of the spy agency's most famous and controversial undertakings.

35:44 But not as many as his biographer have written. His daughter said today she said that her father was not involved in Operation Mongoose, an intelligence operation said to have been ordered by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy to assassinate Fidel Castro. I'm trying not to choke. Nor, despite rumors to the contrary, was he involved after leaving the CIA in the Iran-Contra arms for hostage scandal that rocked the administration of Ronald Reagan.

36:13 Ms. Shackley said, unquote. Just bullshit. And I mean, I understand she may be repeating what her dad told her, but the evidence says otherwise. Shackley was this amazing spy. And while he did a lot of secret things, a number of bad things are attributed to him. And according to his daughter, he didn't do those bad things. And if you go to Shackley's obituary in the Washington Post, here's what it said.

36:50 In 1951, he was recruited into the CIA from the army. His first foreign assignment was West Berlin, when the espionage capital of the world at the time. In 1962, he was named CIA station chief in Miami with responsibility for assisting Cuban exiles bent on overthrowing Fidel Castro. He held that post during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

37:14 when the Kennedy administration forced the Soviet Union to withdraw missiles from the island. He also ran Operation Mongoose, an anti-Castro intelligence campaign that had been ordered by Attorney General Robert Kennedy and President JFK's brother. Wait a minute. The New York Times said Shackley did not run Mongoose, the assassination plan.

37:43 Washington Post says that he did. First of all, did Shackley run Mongoose or not? And second, was it an assassination plan of Castro? And finally, what program did Attorney General RFK think he was approving? It occurs to me that the fight over the past is really a fight about the future. This was never so clear to me as when I finished up this chapter.

38:09 on May 6, 2024, and happened to hear an interview by Tucker Carlson with longtime CIA figure Felix Rodriguez. Now, you guys know I've been all over that interview a million times. I did probably one of the longest posts I've ever done on that interview. Other people used that post in other podcasts because we detailed exactly

38:40 who Felix Rodriguez was. So, of course, when I read this in this book, when I was preparing for this book review, I was like, holy crap. Rodriguez was a young Cuban at the time when Fidel Castro took over in Cuba, was part of the Bay of Pigs invasion, but eluded capture, was present at the execution of Che Cavera, served in the Phoenix program in Vietnam under Ted Shackley.

39:09 later in Central America on behalf of the Contra rebels, again under Shackley, and was questioned in the Iran-Contra scandal. In other words, he was one of Shackley's guys. And in the interview, he seemed interested in rehabilitating Shackley's reputation, as well as pointing blame away from the CIA about the Kennedy assassination. And on to Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

39:38 That definitely was a takeaway of that interview. Here's a quote from the interview. Tucker Carlson. What was Ted Shackley like? Felix Rodriguez. Oh, he was the most intelligent man that I have ever met in my life, says Felix Rodriguez. He was the one responsible for the Berlin Tunnel. He was the station chief in Miami, and we became close friends until the day he died. And we were close. We used to meet. He was the head of the Saigon.

40:08 And we developed a personal friendship, unquote. In the meantime, Rodriguez attempted to portray himself as an old man only interested in the truth and somebody who was a genuine patriot. And yet he came across to me as a company man pushing the same company propaganda, throwing in a few facts one might have known and only as a way to distract you from the obvious contradictions.

40:37 i.e. a classic CIA interview. I consider this next answer to Tucker Carlson to be the master class in CIA lying. If you want to get people to believe you, you stick to the truth as closely as you can, and then when it gets to the important part, you lie. Watch how Rodriguez pulls the listener in.

41:00 Then pulls a fast one. Tucker asked Rodriguez about whether he believed Cuban exiles or the CIA were involved in Kennedy's assassination. This was the response. Quote, I'll tell you, most of the brigade members, and he's talking about the 2506th Brigade, he was wearing that shirt during the interview, believed Kennedy was a traitor.

41:25 He was the one who definitely had the responsibility, and he was responsible for its failure. Looking from another point, I believe that he was a young president, ill-advised, and we paid the price. And I believe that actually he was killed because he tried to amend that. After he was able to pull the brigade out of prison, he opened the Air Force of the United States for brigade members.

41:49 I became a second lieutenant in the army in 1963. And then he promised also special operations, which was started in Central America in three different bases. And not many people know about that. But then he was assassinated. A lot of people believe that it was only one shooter. I believe there were two. We have information that there was a Cuban who is now a retired general, Fabian Escalade.

42:16 who was a captain at the time who was in Dallas. And he was the second shooter in the assassination of the president. And he was in Dallas that day and then left. He was something that Anne Castro said he knew the U.S. was trying to kill him. But be very careful about the Cubans also has a very long hand, unquote.

42:45 And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you tell a big lie. It is absurd to believe that Cuban intelligence assassinated Kennedy and got away without the CIA going after them with their trained killers. It's as absurd to believe that as it is to believe the mafia killed Kennedy on their own without the assistance of the CIA. Rodriguez makes a further claim.

43:10 that the reason there is no attempt on a second invasion of Cuba was because after the Cuban Missile Crisis of 62, the Soviets left four operational nuclear missiles as a deterrent. Whether that's true or not, who knows? But if the CIA believed Cuban Captain Fabian Escalay was the second shooter in the Kennedy assassination, the CIA...

43:35 would never have let him live long enough to become a general in Castro's army. Just as if they genuinely believed Johnny Roselli was acting on behalf of the Chicago mob boss, Sam Giacconi, the CIA would not have let Roselli live 13 more years until called to testify before Congress, and then they killed him. The past still matters. If they can lie about what happened in the past and make you believe it,

44:04 They have no hesitation about lying to you today or in the future. And that is the end of that chapter. And probably since that took a little longer than I thought, I'm going to go ahead and stop there and we will resume on Monday on chapter seven. And chapter seven is very interesting because.

44:32 It takes us back to Alan Dulles and the selling of drugs to inner cities under the guise of fighting communists. And again, I just want you guys to know this is the chapter where he talks about Operation Gladio. So it will be an exciting Monday show and also covers the original setup of.

45:00 How Operation Gladio and again, I find it fascinating that this is coming from a CIA officer. So I don't know why it's not letting me invite anybody to be co-host. Stellar, I just sent it to you. I still don't see Bridget, so she must have not gotten home yet. I see Fergie 42 over here on.

45:33 rumble chatting it up chatting us up and um i also see her here on spaces so yeah it's not letting me out anybody as a co-host um hey stellar hello i see that there's issues and it looks like you're being shadow banned big time bridget was here and then she got kicked out so i sent her another invite thinking that maybe you know things are messed up that's so crazy

46:10 Because what you're doing is bringing out too much truth and maybe the truth that you're bringing out is not what they feel is ready for the public to know and censorship. I have no idea. But it's ridiculous because a lot of the stuff that you're talking about, even though it was the past, is still going on today. And a lot of the same players, or at least their family members, are still a part of it. And that's what's so bizarre is why they keep trying to stop it.

46:36 You know, I had somebody say to me the other day that they do believe that there there is. And I hate using the word plan because that's kind of people get the wrong connotation. But there is a schedule that's probably as far as putting information out in the public with the declassification that's going on. And so obviously.

47:06 The good part of that is you guys are all ahead of schedule. And I just don't think we don't have a big enough audience for that to even matter. But I guess we'd have a much bigger audience if they didn't do that. So I don't I don't completely discredit that. But I also it just feels weird saying it out loud, I guess, is my biggest problem.

47:36 Well, I think that because this is such, you know, this is a 5G, 6G, 7G. I mean, maybe we were at 5G, you know, a couple months ago or even a year ago, but things are rapidly going so fast. And I think if, you know, information comes out too, too fast by what you're saying and what, you know, like all the books that you and everyone's been doing research on and stuff like that.

48:01 You know, it is still going on today. Like you said, it may not be called Operation Gladio, but it's still the same playbook. You know, again, a pig with lipstick is still a pig. So, and that's how I kind of look at it. And a lot of the stuff, I mean, I remember like a couple months ago, things that you were talking about. So it seems like once you get about four months in advance.

48:23 before something breaks out, it seems that's where the cutoff is. If you're within one month or two months, they'll attack you. And the space isn't trying to get people in, but they seem to let it go. But there's certain ones where you get really attacked a lot, especially that Minuteman one. That kind of reminded me a lot of a few months ago when you were bringing up stuff that is now playing out today, in my personal opinion. Isn't that weird? You're right. That is really weird. That is really weird.

48:54 But think about it. I mean, you do get like when you get too far ahead about what's going on, because there are things like you were talking about yesterday and the book and everything. And, you know, it seems very, very interesting. And with all these different collaborators, they're not working together on it. They're just doing their own research. And, you know, you're bringing this stuff out. But these things do come to seem and play out very, you know, within a month.

49:21 maybe a week, but it's the same players, you know, from back then that's still being brought up today. And again, you've been talking about like the Bush and Dulles and all that other stuff, you know, the CIA operating here in the United States. You've been bringing that up since September, October, and more into detail in November, but it just seems like those spaces were...

49:44 Again, I do feel that, you know, maybe you're going ahead of what the plan is and they don't, you know, and it just, you know, maybe they think it's just a little too soon. Because, again, I may not be able to pick up on a lot of the different things, but I do see patterns in listening to you every day and then seeing what's unfolding. That's what I see, like the future stuff, if that makes sense. And you know what's weird is one of our, I don't know, maybe six months into this, so that would have been about two years ago, when we did that.

50:14 one, and I do believe it was one that Bridget and Cousin It and I, all three of us did, that was just over on Rumble, because I wasn't over on X doing this yet, where we went into depth about Waco and all of the domestic cells with the order of nine angles and all of that.

50:41 when we were on Rumble at the time, and I had a very small audience on Rumble, not even a thousand people. That one was attacked. We had people coming in as bots and all kinds of stuff, which we had never had happen because we were so small and we weren't even on YouTube at the time. So I don't even, again, I don't know how they find out. I don't know how that technology works, but.

51:10 Um, it is very crazy. It obviously hurts. Okay. So, um, back in November, December, you guys were starting to talk a little bit about the domestic things that were happening, Ruby Ridge and all this other stuff, you know, and, um, like the Pentagon with nine 11 and, you know, it was destroyed there, Oklahoma city, what got destroyed there, what's happening now today. Um, Timothy McVeigh is back in the news again, you know, they're bringing up the stuff from the past. So again, these cycles, I think that.

51:39 If you're like two months in advance with the cycles coming up or refreshers, maybe that's what brings up those refreshers. Who knows?

51:47 But it just seems like they are kind of monitoring. And I think that you guys have always been monitored, in my personal opinion. Just like Marie's in here. Like what she's been representing about the radiation, all these microwaves being shot all over the place. And a lot of her stuff gets suppressed, too. And what's happening now. Over the last few months, I've been talking about just watch the microwaves. You know, they're cooking us. You know? So think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting.

52:16 I don't know if, let me see if we can invite Marie up. Marie, request a mic. If you request the mic, then it shows up. She's having problems with the mics and a co-host apparently. And you guys, please share this space out. Put some people in it so we can get people in here and chit chat about stuff if that's okay.

52:41 Because there are so many operations going on right now. We're getting to the precipice with Pakistan and Colonel Towners talked about Pakistan, Afghanistan and Operation Gladio. You know, Taiwan and China, you know, that stuff is going up and kind of the snub of what's going on, you know.

52:57 Trump is going to the Middle East this weekend, and next week he's meeting with Qatar, UAE, and what was it, Saudi Arabia? Yep. You know, there's a lot of stuff going on right now. There's a whole lot of stuff going on right now. Very, very interesting. So, let's see. There was one other thing that, let me see if I can find it. I bookmarked it.

53:32 About, oh, about Jenny Pirro being the new U.S. District Attorney for the fill-in. I think that's one of the most hilarious things ever. That Ed Martin is going to go to work now in the DOJ and be an even bigger menace to the bad guys.

54:02 And I mean, I've always liked the friskiness of Janine and her ability just to take on the issues. Very rarely do I ever disagree with her take on stuff.

54:27 which is very rare, but she is a dynamo. So I think that's going to be very, very interesting. Southern, go ahead. I love Judge Jeanine Pirro. She was the first female judge in her area. She also set up the first program for domestic abuse, et cetera, in the court system to change how they were managing those cases.

54:57 She has just been a groundbreaker for women's rights where they're at risk in children. And she holds people accountable. She doesn't play. And I love the fact that she's been on Fox because she understands political commentary. She understands that game as well as being a former prosecutor and a judge. And she's well beloved.

55:27 in her peers so i think it's a great move she'll be great in front of a camera because she's not going to put up with anybody's bs and she actually met her she is really tiny i'm 5 11 and she and i had three inch heels on and i looked at her and i went wow every single cell in that body is a warrior

55:54 Doesn't she remind you of like a chihuahua that's like all bark, will not let you cross the line, she'll nip at you if you have to? I mean, totally. She's incredible. Colonel Tyler reminds me of like a German shepherd that's just going to attack you if you say something wrong. You know, I'd be like, you know, like, yes, ma'am, you know. No, but I'm, and also with Martin going in the way he's going in, he's deadly.

56:23 He is deadly. The Democrats have got to be freaking out in D.C. and across the elected members. I am very excited because we need people like this in there. But I like Jeanine Perrault for the camera. She's very good in front of a camera. She will call them on all their BS. Martin is not much of a camera guy. He's a worker bee, and he doesn't let anything go. I would say he's like a...

56:56 Pausing there just for a second. I want to say that one of the striking things about this administration and people have completely misrepresented it. And I think on purpose, this is one of the most transparent governments we've ever had.

57:20 And instead of embracing the fact that like Hegseth and Pam Bondi and Bongino and Cash are out there either on X, on True Social or in front of a camera all of the time. That is a very, very good thing. No one should be criticizing them for doing that because.

57:48 This is going to be government 101. And just like Tom Homan out in front of the cameras all the time, this is the good guys running an information operation that they're going to saturate the entire country and the world with information.

58:14 That is going to keep people and what they're hoping to do is create an expectation of you should expect your government to be doing that. You should expect your government to be explaining to you every day what they're doing on your behalf. And I think it's amazing how retarded people are that they go out and.

58:39 Act as if that's a bad thing. Now, the only way that would be a bad thing is if you're a bad guy. If you're a bad guy and you're trying to keep all your shit secret, then you have every right to go out there and complain about them exposing all of the shit. But if you're a good guy, you would recognize if you had any intelligence, you would recognize what is going on and they are conducting a precise.

59:09 Large scale information operation where they are blanketing the airwaves with justice and action and accountability. Go ahead, Southern. Amen. Amen. And also this.

59:26 It kind of hurts the legacy media because now they're having to figure out how to combat that. We're no longer listening to them through their filter. So we're getting it straight. I love the fact that Trump opened up his cabinet meeting. That was amazing. And each person in there had to talk about what they should have got done and what they're doing next and went through the whole thing. It was clean.

59:50 business get to the point you could actually see what they had done and what they're doing next that is we the people we're sitting at the table i love it that's an information operation i love it let's keep it yeah that's exactly what it looks like and um the the same thing and i don't know if you guys saw um bridget's here let me bring her up

1:00:17 Yeah, Bridget's here and Eli and I is here too. We're not being able, Bridget, to make anybody speaker for some reason. Request a mic. Let me see. Let me add her as a speaker. So I want to, I don't know if you guys saw my post about the, what's his face? Why am I not remembering his name?

1:00:49 The OMG. What the heck that was supposedly going to break this big story? I can see his face. OK. OK. OK. So his big breaking news is that Pam Bondi talked to a normal citizen and gave that normal citizen information. Again, how in the world?

1:01:20 Do you take something as positive as someone having in our government, having a conversation with a normal citizen on the street and answering a question as if that's a bad thing? That was one of the most remarkable things that I've ever seen. And of course, I was being facetious and said that.

1:01:47 That thing right there should have had breaking news on it because for the first time in as long as I can remember, if ever, an attorney general on the street talked to a citizen and answered their question with the truth. That's like a first in my lifetime because normally they're like guarded. They're rushed around. They've got bodyguards that doesn't let you anywhere near them.

1:02:18 That's breaking news. That was a milestone that we have not seen ever in America, maybe 100 years ago or 200 years ago, but not in recent memory. And he tried to couch it as a bad thing. I just I found that striking myself. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of his.

1:02:44 I like him. I don't have anything to say about him. He's done some interesting things that really crossed the line. But I also know he's got to have serious stuff to get the followers and the financials. But he's crossed the line in a couple of things that I've not been happy about.

1:03:07 Western North Carolina, he came down here saying he's going to do all this and everything for Western North Carolina after Hurricane Helene, over-promised and way under-delivered and involved a lot of people's time and just, no, no. We were starving to get attention out, and the way he went about it was not in anybody's best interest here.

1:03:33 So just discount the stories that he has broke, like the acorn story. Yeah, yeah, I like it. But I also I just I'm just not a fan. I'm not a fan. That's fine. But he was not a fan that no other journalist would touch with a 10 foot pole. Yeah. But as far as Pam Bondi, she's been very public about those statements as she has made on camera.

1:04:02 talking with different people in the department. This wasn't new information. And I appreciated she took the time to speak to Joe Citizen. But I just know that sometimes having these, using people to get information out of someone when they don't know that that's happening, it's a win.

1:04:28 But at the same time, this is someone they thought they could trust to have a conversation with. And as a result of that, they lose their jobs. And these are usually lower level people. They don't really know a lot. They kind of just talk in generality. And I just, I kind of consider that really unfair. Really unfair. Are you talking about James O'Keefe? Yes. He's used his, you know, the people that go out.

1:04:55 Get a date with someone, get them drinking a lot and getting them to say stuff off the record, not knowing that they're being recorded. I just have a problem with that. Yeah, I don't. I mean, that's exactly what journalists do. If you work for the federal government and you're talking about the like the one guy that was a CIA contractor.

1:05:20 That guy is talking about the environment inside of the CIA, basically saying that they're sabotaging Trump. I have no problem in the world. I had a clearance. I had a clearance. I had a clearance for a long time. You would have never, ever found me drunk in a bar telling anybody anything about my job. Yeah, I believe that. If you could find somebody that.

1:05:49 has a top secret SCI. That's a bare minimum to walk inside the CIA. And generally letters after that because they're read in on different things. If that person goes out in public and is talking about stuff inside of the CIA, drunk to a stranger, they need to lose their fucking job. And in my opinion, they need to be in jail because I can guarantee you if I ever did that, I'd have been in jail.

1:06:18 Yeah, but a lot of these were very low-level people. That was a branch chief. That is not a low-level job. And he was also a contractor. He was not even employed in the CIA as a civil servant. Yeah, he was kind of a dum-dum. I remember that one. And those types of things cannot happen. And if they're going to happen, and you're going to be that stupid, you need to lose your job.

1:06:47 That's called accountability. Okay. That's my opinion. Yeah. But I've actually been in that position. Well, going back to Ted Shackley, I found it interesting. He was recruited out of the military for the CIA because the army tapped him, liked him because he spoke fluent. He was mothers from Poland. So he was fluent Polish language. Right.

1:07:18 And then finished, he put himself in the army at age 18. So I'm thinking he didn't come from a money background. His mother was a Polish immigrant. So he bootstrapped it with the army, University of Maryland. And then he had been doing some stuff in counterintelligence in the military.

1:07:40 Because he spoke Polish and he got pulled into counterintelligence because of his capabilities. He was obviously, whether he did good or bad, he was a very smart guy. And that's, you know, that kind of career. My question is, I look at people like him, other people like that, that are in the CIA.

1:08:10 At what point do they not have a conscience anymore or do they really believe in what they're doing or who are these people? Well, as they said at the beginning of this book, there are psychological profiles you look for in people. And I'll just tell you, I know how what you're saying, Southern, the ability to speak Polish being brought up in a Polish household doesn't make you intelligent.

1:08:41 That is a normal, like in my experience as a commander, well, even in my experience when I was enlisted, almost all of the maintenance troops that I worked with had been in the military for 15 or 20 years. They had been in foreign countries. A lot of them, because they're kind of awkward, would marry foreign spouses.

1:09:07 And their children was all brought up bilingual. If you are bilingual and you have a language that the intelligence community can use, you are a target to be recruited, especially, and this happens often, if that child then themselves joins the military, they will be targeted. They will be targeted for intelligence jobs.

1:09:38 My job when I was in Italy was at an intelligence base. Everybody there, except for the support people like myself, spoke a foreign language. That was the entire purpose of the base. There were 3,500 people there. They all spoke a foreign language. Every single one of them was a prime target for the CIA. Now, what they do is in those large gatherings of

1:10:08 in enlisted intelligence people, which is what Shackley would have been in the army. They will send in a second lieutenant or a captain. And they sometimes they use our like OSI, which has people from the CIA sometimes embedded in it to do investigations and stuff like that. But they will send in an agent disguised.

1:10:35 as an Air Force officer. And when they do that, they are trained to assess people's personality for who they target. And they are recruited while they're still on active duty to then go and separate. And they can even arrange you to break your enlistment. I know this because I worked in personnel.

1:11:01 and be assessed immediately into the CIA pipeline. So that is not an uncommon thing. But they are not looking for patriots. You know, Bubba down here, who's the product of a guy that was in the Air Force who married a Filipino wife and speaks Mandarin or Japanese or something like that.

1:11:29 When he enlists, the kid of that couple enlists and he can speak Mandarin or but he raised his son to be patriotic. That's not a target. You're not going to get that guy to go in the CIA and do the shitty thing. They're looking for personalities like broken homes, traumatized at a young age where something happened like the loss of a brother or sister. And they spend the time.

1:11:59 finding out who is going to be the person they recruit. So they're not, you know, the guy at the beginning of this book made that comment about how a lot of the CIA officers... Can y'all hear the colonel? No, ma'am, you muted yourself. Got to unmute your mic. Colonel Towner, you're muted.

1:12:47 Maybe she's having some technical difficulties. Maybe she popped out and she's coming back in. I just got that message up on top. Okay, cool. How are you guys? Would be a lot better if they stopped trying to stop people from coming in and listening. We think that it's because you guys are so far in advance about, you know, showing the connections and stuff. Just because, you know, it seems like those.

1:13:15 The spaces where you guys go too far, you know, like connections are too much in control type of thing, you know, from, you know, recent, you know, like from the Gladio shit. It's happening now. And when you guys connect these dots, if it's too far in advance, it seems like that's when you guys are having more problems. You know, it seems like.

1:13:36 If you're just like a couple months in advance, you know, because like how you guys were talking about Ruby Ridge and we were talking about 9-11 and stuff. And now you start hearing about Timothy McVeigh and the MK Ultra and things like that and connections. I mean, I don't know. Well, apparently it's not just here because the rumble feed has crashed. Wow. Yeah. So we're being attacked on both sides. Yeah. He's just a ghost right now.

1:14:08 I'm going to tell you a quick little story here. My son in college, his junior year.

Entities here

Ted Shackley25 CIA25 Danny Sheehan18 Iran17 United States11 Nicaragua9 Vietnam9 Contras8 John F. Kennedy8 Felix Rodriguez8 Ronald Reagan7 George H.W. Bush7 Robert Kennedy assassination6 Iran-Contra affair6 Israel6 Phoenix Program6 Tehran5 Fidel Castro5 Miami4 Tucker Carlson4 Poland4 Cuba4 Operation Gladio4 Laos4 Otto Skorzeny3 The New York Times3 Robert F. Kennedy3 Blonde Ghost3 Fabian Escalante3 Washington, D.C.3 Operation Mongoose3 Manakir Gorbanifar3 Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani3 The Washington Post3 Hezbollah3 United Wa State Army3 Jimmy Carter2 EATSCO2 Iran-Contra2 Edwin Wilson2

Claims made here

Ronald Reagan appointed George H.W. Bush documented ▶ 3:11

“Vice President George H.W. Bush seemed to herald a rebirth of the recently retired Shackley. Quote, on December 5 and 6, 1980, a few dozen former spooks, journalists, Capitol Hill staffers, and foreig…”

Ted Shackley recruited Edwin Wilson book_quoted ▶ 7:36

“the guy they hired to traffic weapons, who participated in the assassination of the former Chilean ambassador in the United States, which he did not, made that an impossibility. He looked like Shackle…”

Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani headed SAVAK documented ▶ 8:33

“In mid-1984, Shackley flew to Los Angeles to see a potentially valuable source, Moniker Hashemi, it's H-A-S-H-E-M-I, who was a brigadier general in Iran in the days of the Shah and headed the counter-…”

Ted Shackley supplied_arms_to Iran book_quoted ▶ 14:28

“which of course it did. Shackley's proposed deal, which might involve a weapon, a transfer of weapons to the Iranians in return for the release of the Hezbollah hostages, as well as possible cash paym…”

Oliver North financed_via Contras documented ▶ 17:14

“Every crazy idea to get those people home. Perhaps this would not have been such a scandal if not for the intervention of Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who apparently came up with a plan to divert …”

Danny Sheehan exposed Iran-Contra affair book_quoted ▶ 22:50

“for this entire apparatus. Sheehan would be unsuccessful in this effort with his supporters claiming it was because the intelligence agency didn't want to reveal their dirty laundry, while his critics…”

Ted Shackley carried_out_attack LaPenta bombing book_quoted ▶ 23:50

“but not Pastora. Afterwards, Tony Avergan, A-V-I-R-G-A-N, an American journalist who suffered shrapnel wounds, and his wife, Martha Honey, set out to uncover who plotted the attack. A year later, they…”

Ted Shackley overthrew Salvador Allende book_quoted ▶ 25:46

“where they allied themselves with drug-dealing Ving Kao and used his dirty profits to fund a clandestine operation that assassinated over 100,000 civilians in Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand. In Cambodia…”

Ted Shackley funded Phoenix Program book_quoted ▶ 26:13

“Once that was accomplished, Shackley and Saigon Station Chief ran the Phoenix program and financed it with drug money from Vang Pao. And actually, it's the CIA's drug money, not Vang Pao. I understand…”

Ted Shackley laundered_money_for Nugan Hand Bank book_quoted ▶ 27:35

“They set up a base in Tehran and retained Edwin Wilson to head an assassination program. The secret team banked its drug money at Nugent Hand Bank in Australia. It offered assassination services to So…”

Ted Shackley founded EATSCO book_quoted ▶ 28:04

“which stood for Egyptian American Air Transport and Services Corporation. And ETSCO was an airline just like Air America. And it also entailed like ground ops. So it was a whole package. They could de…”

Danny Sheehan asserted Ted Shackley book_quoted ▶ 29:54

“activities of a massive drug smuggling political assassination and ultimately supervised a team of people who assassinated the president of the United States, JFK, unquote. Sheehan also asserted that …”

Reinhard Gehlen member_of BND book_quoted ▶ 30:22

“Otto Skorzeny's alter ego, that's why. Because they developed Shackley to be the Otto Skorzeny of the CIA. Reinhard Galen, who was recruited by Western intelligence after World War II and served NATO …”

Ted Shackley headed Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 33:52

“I stumbled across at the secret base where I had been sent, where buried weapons and munitions from the Phoenix program, which Shackley had ran in Vietnam. Had it been a coincidence that Shackley had …”

David Korn founded Blonde Ghost documented ▶ 34:48

“in the Cold War against communism. Mr. Shackley was the subject of the book Blonde Ghost, published by Simon & Schuster in 1994. The author, David Korn, described Mr. Shackley as one of the CIA's best…”

Robert F. Kennedy ordered_assassination_of Fidel Castro book_quoted ▶ 35:44

“But not as many as his biographer have written. His daughter said today she said that her father was not involved in Operation Mongoose, an intelligence operation said to have been ordered by Attorney…”

Ted Shackley member_of CIA documented ▶ 36:50

“In 1951, he was recruited into the CIA from the army. His first foreign assignment was West Berlin, when the espionage capital of the world at the time. In 1962, he was named CIA station chief in Miam…”

Ted Shackley appointed CIA documented ▶ 36:50

Ted Shackley headed Operation Mongoose book_quoted ▶ 37:14

“when the Kennedy administration forced the Soviet Union to withdraw missiles from the island. He also ran Operation Mongoose, an anti-Castro intelligence campaign that had been ordered by Attorney Gen…”

Ted Shackley recruited Felix Rodriguez host_asserted ▶ 38:40

“who Felix Rodriguez was. So, of course, when I read this in this book, when I was preparing for this book review, I was like, holy crap. Rodriguez was a young Cuban at the time when Fidel Castro took …”

Ted Shackley recruited Felix Rodriguez host_asserted ▶ 39:09

“later in Central America on behalf of the Contra rebels, again under Shackley, and was questioned in the Iran-Contra scandal. In other words, he was one of Shackley's guys. And in the interview, he se…”

Ted Shackley headed CIA guest_asserted ▶ 39:38

“That definitely was a takeaway of that interview. Here's a quote from the interview. Tucker Carlson. What was Ted Shackley like? Felix Rodriguez. Oh, he was the most intelligent man that I have ever m…”

Ted Shackley headed Berlin Tunnel guest_asserted ▶ 39:38

Felix Rodriguez member_of Brigade 2506 guest_asserted ▶ 41:00

“Then pulls a fast one. Tucker asked Rodriguez about whether he believed Cuban exiles or the CIA were involved in Kennedy's assassination. This was the response. Quote, I'll tell you, most of the briga…”

Fabian Escalante carried_out_attack Robert Kennedy assassination guest_asserted ▶ 41:49

“I became a second lieutenant in the army in 1963. And then he promised also special operations, which was started in Central America in three different bases. And not many people know about that. But …”

Sam Giancana headed Chicago Mob host_asserted ▶ 43:35

“would never have let him live long enough to become a general in Castro's army. Just as if they genuinely believed Johnny Roselli was acting on behalf of the Chicago mob boss, Sam Giacconi, the CIA wo…”

Johnny Roselli member_of Chicago Mob host_asserted ▶ 43:35

United Wa State Army recruited Ted Shackley host_asserted ▶ 1:06:47

“That's called accountability. Okay. That's my opinion. Yeah. But I've actually been in that position. Well, going back to Ted Shackley, I found it interesting. He was recruited out of the military for…”

Ted Shackley member_of United Wa State Army host_asserted ▶ 1:07:18

“And then finished, he put himself in the army at age 18. So I'm thinking he didn't come from a money background. His mother was a Polish immigrant. So he bootstrapped it with the army, University of M…”