The Colonel’s Corner Safe for Democracy Part 25 (26)

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0:00 Let's get this waiting room music off and get Bridget up here. All right. How are you today, Miss Bridget? It is 83 degrees, and I am loving the sunshine. Yeah, it's warm here, too, but we had an afternoon shower, so we missed our pool time. After his nap, we normally jump in the pool.

0:35 It was sprinkling and my hair straight, so I wasn't going out in sprinkling rain. Otherwise, I wouldn't have mind. But, you know, people laugh at me because I don't want to get my hair wet in the pool. But I've swam in the rain, but not when I have to get on video because the hair is like a whole thing. I totally get that. I totally get that. Yeah. Okay. So, for those of you following along, we're on page 288.

1:08 Cold War Encounter Revolution. And we are talking about, we closed up talking about the special forces, which is kind of ironic given the fact that I just watched that video from Redacted of the murder of the commander of one of the SEAL teams. That is so, so crazy.

1:37 If you guys haven't watched that video, I highly recommend you do. Unfortunately, he's not the first. He probably won't be the last. That entire culture has to be dealt with. And of course, it's not ironic that the Special Forces guys are interwoven. We know where they got their start. We talk about it all the time. Detachment A.

2:04 They're interwoven into Operation Gladio and not in a good way. There were special forces at Waco. There were special forces at the assassination of MLK. So it definitely has to be dealt with. Okay, so that's where we left off. A few months after Rostow went to Fort Bragg to address the student,

2:34 of the Special Warfare Center, his speech approved by Kennedy. Rostow's speech put guerrilla war in the context of a global underdevelopment, a sort of crisis of modernization. Although Rostow commended the students for reading Lenin, Che Guevara, and Mao Zedong, he insisted that guerrilla war dated too long before the Russian Revolution. Now,

3:05 Interestingly, as you read this, because I've read this material, linen is never depicted as the linen that we know. The linen that was put up in the British London that was funded by the British Empire and the Bolshevik Revolution being funded by that, it's not portrayed that way at all. Che Guevara, of course, is portrayed as...

3:33 the person that I thought he was when I started this three and a half years ago. This evil person that is a guerrilla kingpin and that he's a subversive, which when you understand what his real role was, it was fighting back against imperialism. So everything about their quote unquote education is actually indoctrination.

4:05 So he insisted that guerrilla war dated back before the Russian Revolution. Guerrilla warfare, he said, quote, is not a form of military and psychological magic created by the communists, unquote. Rather, quote, we confront a guerrilla warfare in the underdeveloped areas of systematic attempt by the communists.

4:36 to impose a serious disease on those societies attempting to transition to modernization, unquote. That's literally a bold-faced lie. A bold-faced lie. But they have to have that lie in order for the special forces to go in and basically act on CIA fake intelligence. These people just want the best, you know?

5:05 the indigenous people. And these ugly communists keep getting in the way of these poor peasant people, not the CIA and installing military dictatorships. That doesn't get in the way at all. We have to support that. America's central task was to, quote, protect the independence of the revolutionary process now going forward, unquote. Guerrilla warfare.

5:37 is powerful and effective only when we do not put our minds clearly to work on how to deal with it. Kennedy perceived special forces to have done just that. Restow returned to Fort Bragg in late 1961, this time accompanying the president on a personal tour of the Special Warfare Center. Its commander, Brigadier General William Yarborough,

6:04 took a calculated risk and greeted Kennedy wearing the prescribed Green Beret. The President came and saw, spoke supportively, and helped Special Forces gain new impetus. On April 11, 1962, JFK released an official message to the Army, calling for the Green Beret, a symbol of excellence, a badge of courage, and a mark of distinction in the fight for freedom.

6:31 Henceforth, special forces would be known as the Green Berets, with official regulations to govern their size, color, and how they should be worn. In a remarkable expansion of the franchise decades later, the entire U.S. Army clamored for berets of their own, and now wear this headgear of varying colors. From the beginning of Kennedy's presidency, a rapid expansion of special forces occurred.

7:00 In March 1961, the Army doubled the number of units. Now, groups specialized geographically. The 10th group for Europe. The first group for Asia. The new 8th group would focus on Latin America. The 3rd and 6th group was for Africa and the Middle East. The 77th Special Forces group became the 7th. Authorized strength doubled to 1,500 soldiers per group.

7:30 psychological warfare units were increased in early 65 to three battalions and two companies plus associated detachments. By November 30th, 1964, the strength of army special warfare units stood at more than 11,000. In Germany, the 10th group retained its mission of infiltrating the Soviet bloc. That wasn't exactly what they were doing, but okay. The theater war plan, O-Plan,

8:02 10-1, according to revelations in the British press in 1962, provided for the 10th group to disperse into 49 guerrilla warfare zones throughout Eastern Europe. Not joking, this is what the text says. Its A-teams were each credited with the ability to mobilize a partisan battalion every month. Can you say stay behind units?

8:34 for a potential resistance force of almost 80,000 within six months. This is 1962, and they're acknowledging that the A-teams associated with special forces are there to lead the stay-behind units that the Galen organization and the CIA has set up throughout Europe. In its concentration,

9:06 On behind-the-lines warfare activity, the 10th group became an exception. Green Berets working other areas of the globe focused more on counterinsurgency and military assistance. The future looked bright, not for indigenous people. For the first time in U.S. history, said an Army spokesman,

9:33 This guerrilla organizing and psychological warfare capability has been made available before it was needed. Through it, the Army now has one more weapon which can be applied with discrimination in any kind of warfare. Unquote. Except for it was applied indiscriminately everywhere. There were Air Force Special Forces too. These provided support, essential airlift,

10:01 The Air Force called its approach to special forces air commandos. An air commando unit contained a little bit of everything, medium and light transport aircraft plus fighter bombers. The same unit could supply partisans, make airstrikes, maintain physical contact by flying planes onto small airstrips. The ARC wings had continued.

10:32 The tradition, the arc wings being the ones that were used in the Philippines and then into Vietnam and hid the U-2s. But the Air Force had abolished them. Had the Kampas partisans possessed such capabilities in Tibet, the PLA might have never been able to overcome them. In other words, if we hadn't just trained them as terrorists, but we gave them airplanes, they may have stood a fighting chance. Air commandos were eclipsed.

11:07 and Eisenhower's budget-conscious Air Force. Faced with expensive bombers and missile programs, little interest remained. That's actually not true. Eisenhower and LeMay and all of the people that predominantly were the high-ranking people in the Air Force at the time of Eisenhower.

11:31 was focused on tactical nukes. We didn't need commandos. We weren't going to do any close air support. We were just going to nuclear weapon them. We were going to drop nukes on them and kill them all. Tactical commanders were preoccupied with supersonic jet fighters. Again, that's not true. They didn't give a shit about jet fighters. They cared about bombers. SAC predominantly

11:57 was the thing in the Air Force in the 1950s and throughout most of the early 60s. Even air transport leaders had big ticket programs like the C-130s and the C-141s. The air commandos felt nebulously somewhere along the functional responsibilities of various Air Force commands. Despite all obstacles, a start was made in the late 50s with the formation

12:29 of a small secret organization within the Air Force. As with the Army, Kennedy galvanized the Air Force. In March of 1961, responding to instructions that each service examine how it can contribute to counterinsurgency, Air Force headquarters ordered the Tactical Air Command, which has all of the, at the time, it had all of the fighter and attack aircraft, to create an experimental counterinsurgency unit.

12:59 along the lines of the Air Commando. Very soon after, on April 14, 1961, the Air Force activated the 4400 Combat Crew Training Squadron under Benjamin King, Colonel, at Eglin. The unit based its airplanes at Hurlburt Field, which is the home of Air Force Special Operations Command today. Initially, they included 16 C-47s,

13:30 eight B-26s, and eight T-28 Texans, which is the trainers. They're prop-driven transports. They had converted them to carry bombs and rockets and mounted machine guns in them. It was nicknamed Jungle Gym Unit. The 4400 began with 350 airmen.

14:01 And the dual mission of training indigenous air crews and participating in combat. So we were going to bring foreigners in to train them at the special ops airfield. Meanwhile, for top secret airlift missions, no longer distance, over longer distance, the military airlift command, which is at Scott Air Force Base in St.

14:27 It's technically in Illinois, but everybody refers to it as being in St. Louis. They established what was referred to as E-Flight, which was a designation of some C-130 squadrons. The unit for the Far East, for example, was E-Flight of the 21st Troop Carrier Squadron on Okinawa. It was created in 1961 with four or five C-130s.

14:59 And oh, by the way, they were already flying operations in Tibet. In April 1962, the Air Force dispensed of euphemisms and reactivated its first Air Commando Squadron, a formation that traced its lineage back to when? 1944 in Burma. Nothing like reliving history where we're going to bring Cheikh into Burma. That Air Commando. The squadron later expanded to a wing.

15:33 It had combat crew training squadrons, combat support group, and at Eglin, they set up the special air warfare school. All these capabilities were controlled by a special warfare division at headquarters U.S. Air Force in the Pentagon. Long before this stage arrived, the original Jungle Gym unit had gone into action in Southeast Asia already.

16:03 Changes also occurred in the Pentagon. The Office of Special Operations transformed itself after the Bay of Pigs. Although the Office of Special Operations representatives, such as Ed Lansdale, had raised objections to the Cuba project, the Joint Chiefs of Staff were apportioned some blame for its failure, like all of it, as far as the military goes. Graves Erskine ran a tight ship.

16:37 that time, the Office of Special Operations truly functioned as an intelligence focal point. It handled liaison from everything from allocating forces to covert projects to military personnel attached to the CIA to cover arrangements. It also included the Pentagon participating in the reconnaissance satellite development like the U-2.

17:07 McNamara was told that he did not really need a special assistance for these matters. Suddenly, the day after the final defeat of the Cuban exiles in the Bay of Pigs, most of the Office of Special Operations personnel were reassigned to other military tasks. Some Office of Special Operations officers feared that Lansdale might take over as the special assistance function. After all, he had been deputy to General Erskine and one of the foremost proponents.

17:37 of counterinsurgencies. But there were questions as to whether Lansdell knew much about satellites or other technical intelligence issues. Lansdell is CIA, guys. He just happens to be wearing a uniform. The Joint Chiefs of Staff set the stage in late July 1961 when they asked for guidance on peacetime support of the CIA. An existing agreement from 1957 now seemed obsolete.

18:07 The officers need not to have worried. When the Office of Special Operations disappeared, McNamara assigned its technical responsibilities to the Director of Defense and Research Engineering. Under his August 7th directive, deception responsibilities went to a special planning office within the Navy. Lansdale retained a small staff for special activities.

18:34 On September 12th, Lansdale defined the terrain in a paper to the Joint Chiefs. And all service secretaries' routine matters could be handled by those already assigned to liaison between the military and the CIA. But anything requiring policy discussions of major participation would be routed directly to Ed Lansdale. Some credit Erskine for achieving this division of task.

19:05 A new unit, the Special Assistance for Counterinsurgencies and Special Operations, called SATCA, SATSA, is what finally emerged. In any case, Lansdale did not succeed building his Office of Special Operations empire. Pulled into a renewed Cuba adventure, Lansdale just magically disappeared.

19:37 Pentagon staff, and now another Marine became the SATSA. With an eye toward the White House, the Marine Corps gave the post to an officer who had served with Jack Kennedy in the South Pacific during World War II, Major General Victor Brute Krulak. And that guy is related to the Krulak that eventually, during my lifetime,

20:10 becomes the commandant of the Marine Corps. Jack Hawkins came back from the CIA to become his assistant. In the Pentagon, you have General Krulak and his assistant is a CIA guy. They're in charge of military special operations. Now you understand how effed up special operations is. Okay, on counterinsurgency, SATSA.

20:47 proved very active, and Maxwell Taylor's special group made sure it stayed that way. Army civilian executive Joseph Califano Jr. came to think that Krulak's nickname, Brute, B-R-U-T-E, was well chosen. Richard Bissell had been an enthusiastic supporter of counterinsurgency, which again is actually insurgency, leading

21:19 to the 1961 summer study. His successor, Richard Helms, had his doubts. Helms had been poised for this job for over a decade. He had been the go-to guy for spies, heading the division that covered Germany during the creation of the CIA Galen Organization Alliance and the years of that country as a base of operations for the Iron Curtain. So Helms...

21:51 is directly linked to the stay-behind creation, Operation Gladio, in Europe. Reinhard Galen, who's a Nazi, he's the CIA director. He had played second fiddle to Wisner, then Bissell. Now Helms began a meteoric rise that took him to the top of the CIA in the span of a few years. Despite his

22:25 Background, in the process, Helms would preside over a peak in the secret war, the years from Kennedy to Nixon to Kissinger. Helms took over an expanding directorate of operations for the CIA. Already a stream of defectors had begun to sow fears of a Russian mole at high levels in the CIA, and there were covert action failures.

22:55 which nonetheless did not impede their activities. The directorate remained the largest component of the CIA, a thousand stronger than when Eisenhower had taken office. They spent 54% of the appropriated CIA budget, and we have no clue how much they spent of the illicit funding.

23:21 An extra 1,000 CIA personnel supported the director of operations work. Field stations in Africa increased by half between 59 and 63. You know, because we're going to overthrow a bunch of governments there. Reflecting the rise of Tweedy's Africa division, impelled by Cuba projects, personnel in the Western Hemisphere division grew by 40% between 61.

23:51 and 65, you know, because we're going to start overthrowing governments there too. Well, we're going to keep overthrowing. We've already overthrown a couple. And then we would shift the focus to Southeast Asia. A few weeks before Helms became the deputy director of operations, the CIA general counsel, Lawrence Houston, had put on record his opinion about the legality of covert operations.

24:19 admitting that there is no statutory authority for any agency to conduct them at all. In writing, Houston added that, quote, some of the covert Cold War operations are related to intelligence within a broad interpretation, unquote. Examining the language of the law, the CIA lawyer specifically conceded its failure to cover paramilitary operations. The clause that read, quote, other such duties and functions.

24:51 unquote, in the act always cited in this regard, was explicitly tied to intelligence that affected our national security. Thus, wrote Houston in a January 15th, 1962 memo, it would be stretching that section too far to include Guatemala or Cuba, even though intelligence and counterintelligence was part of that activity.

25:24 the lawyer for the CIA is saying that everything that we did in Iran, Guatemala, Indonesia, not legal. Houston's conclusion, quote, therefore the executive branch under the direction of the president was acting without specific statutory authorization and the CIA was the agent selected for their conduct, unquote. Defending the government's contact

25:56 conduct in these paramilitary operations, the CIA's general counsel was reduced to arguing that, quote, it can be said that the Congress as a whole knows that money is appropriated to the CIA and knows that generally a portion of that goes to clandestine activities. To this extent, we say that we have congressional approval for these activities, unquote. But they didn't have specific congressional authority.

26:26 Thus, the CIA's own legal counsel saw no general mandate for any paramilitary operations or political action, you know, like interfering in elections, which we started in 1948. And they only had the weak claim that Congress, by appropriating money for the CIA, had tangentially approved the covert operations.

26:54 It's worth noting that a parallel argument that Congress had in effect approved a declaration of war by appropriating money for the Vietnam War. That would be ruled invalid by the courts. Larry Houston believed it was for the administration to decide what and how many Cold War activities occurred. Prodded by Bobby Kennedy and Max Taylor, it did.

27:19 Under procedures adopted after the Bay of Pigs, any project costing more than $3 million had to be approved. The CIA could conduct operations budgeted for less than $250,000 without ever even telling anybody. After October 62, the special group expected to be apprised of every covert project. And again, we're only talking about appropriated funds. We're not talking about all of their illicit funds.

27:50 and their proprietary companies, and all of that other stuff. From the beginning of Kennedy's presidency to the fall of 62, according to the special group's own records, it approved 550 covert operations. 550. During the first half of 1963, it sanctioned another 23 actions. 35 was proposed. They approved 23.

28:25 Figures given to congressional investigators in 1975 showed 163 covert operations between January of 61 and November of 63, compared to 104 approved by Eisenhower. Evidently, count only activities above the threshold. Even so, a lateral internal audit, which isn't worth a grain of salt,

28:57 found that from 61 to 62, the special group considered only about 16% of operations actually initiated. 16% ever came to be briefed at the White House out of hundreds. The gains from these activities were very limited. On one hand, Kennedy tightened his control. On the other, he brought the responsibility closer to the White House. McGeorge Bundy, Mr. Skull and Bones,

29:31 recalls quote in 1961 I listened with a beginner's thought to the arguments that the ear operate operatives who promoted what became the bay of pigs through the next two years and more I watched with increasing skepticism as the Kennedy administration kept the pressure on the CIA for more and better if smaller covert operations I think I played a small part

30:04 His own learning from experience was much more important in President Kennedy's growing recognition that covert action simply did not work and caused more problems than it was worth, unquote. Kennedy's demise ended the potential for a policy change, and Bundy failed to stem the rising tide of project proposals. They had no intentions of limiting.

30:36 these operations. Richard Helms faced a new difficulty when Kennedy reduced the autonomy of the CIA stations. The degree of control an ambassador should have over CIA operations in his country had been a touchy issue for years. The experiences of Chester Bowles in India, William Sebal in Burma, and John Allison in Indonesia illustrated the problems. Why station chiefs kept their ambassadors informed.

31:07 as Jacob Esserling had done with Tom Mann in Guatemala when Mann had been the ambassador to El Salvador. But this had been voluntary. After a 1958 interagency study, Eisenhower gave the CIA virtually complete autonomy, directing the ambassador's writ stopped at the station chief's door. The spooks, not the diplomats, were in the driver's seat.

31:36 In other words, Eisenhower turned all of the CIA loose all over the world with or without the ambassador's knowledge. Now, again, just so that you guys are staying up that may have joined us without having the three years, they purposely move ambassadors around to coincide with CIA operations so that you have a complicit ambassador that will cover your six.

32:05 on the diplomatic front when you're running operations in that country. William Polly is a good example of that. There's lots of them. President Kennedy reversed this policy. Among the intelligence board recommendations of 1961 had been one that ambassadors be fully informed of CIA activities in their countries. JFK strongly agreed with that. State Department officials

32:36 U. Alexis Johnson drafted a letter for JFK's signature dispatched in May of 1961. Kennedy's letter established a country team concept. CIA could sit on the ambassador's senior councils, but the ambassador had all of the authority. John Kenneth Goldbreth's troubles with the CIA in India show that the state's authority still had far to go.

33:05 And that's talking about the Tibet operation. As deputy director for operations, Helms also had to contend with a new boss, John McComb. He took over as director of the CIA in November of 61. A Californian and from outside the agency, a 59-year-old McComb, open to widespread suspicion, but left with many regarding him as one of the good guys.

33:34 Archie Roosevelt, Kermit's cousin, newly returned from a tour in Madrid where Otto Skorzeny is. Isn't that interesting? Archie Roosevelt is in Spain with Otto Skorzeny. Looked at McCone and saw in him just the director the agency needed at a critical point. McCone had plentiful experience as a corporate manager, including relevant.

34:10 businesses that had agency interest. You know, like being a CEO of a shipping company. McCone understood power in Washington, having been chairman of Eisenhower's Atomic Energy Commission and an Air Force official during Truman's time. He was a self-made millionaire. Director McCone had a...

34:41 problem on covert operations with the president's foreign intelligence advisory board. The day after the Bay of Pigs, the president instructed the board to monitor every aspect more closely. Allen Dulles had begun swinging the back door, telling the intelligence advisory board that he had violated secrecy rules by handing over data, but McComb tried to close that door all the way. Alex, as he liked to be called,

35:09 refused to furnish data to the special group using the excuse that they were his own pursuit. Neither Kim, Jim Killian, nor fellow board members accepted that the president's panel should be denied any data for inquiries because they were working on behalf of the president. So began a fight that lasted over a year. Board staff approached McComb's deputy, General Marshall Carter. Do you see how integrated they are?

35:42 A CIA is the deputy in the Pentagon and a Pentagon guy is the deputy in the CIA. They wanted a briefing. Carter, General Carter, delayed it. A week later, he refused the briefing altogether. There were complaints and it was finally scheduled for June of 1962. The board delivered drops of information from time to time. A presentation on Laos here.

36:18 a comment on the Congo there. To placate them, McCone told Killian he had spoken to the president and JFK agreed with him. Killian shot back that he had talked to him himself, and that was not true. National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy, a member of the special group in his White House capacity, agreed with Killian. On June 24th, Killian had dinner with Alex McCone.

36:54 and hammered out a compromise. The director of the intelligence would present a briefing book specially prepared by the CIA the first time the agency worked up a guide for ongoing covert activity. As it turned out, McComb-Killian compromise was only a tactical retreat. First, the CIA proposed a brief only those operations that involved aerial reconnaissance, one way to sort out big fries from small fries. But...

37:24 When it came to the latest Cuba project, the Intelligence Board found, because the CIA had not briefed on it, that no overall plan seemed to exist. By late 1962, the Killian Board wanted access to the special group's records. This happened in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK ordered Killian to produce a specific post-mortem. Director McCone could hardly resist. The CIA tried to get away with it.

37:54 exhibiting only records of aerial surveillance on Cuba. Again, from the U2. On March 25th, 1963, McCone told Kennedy the Killian board reports created a misleading record that might leak and be very damaging to the CIA because you're a bunch of fuck-ups. Kennedy answered that the advice of an independent board seemed invaluable to him. Quote, he thought the board's record of discretion was excellent, unquote.

38:26 Typical of the CIA's approach would be that the Intelligence Board meeting of April 23rd, when Lyman Kirkpatrick asked that discussion on the Cuba operation exclude diplomat Sterling Cottrell, who headed the government's interagency Cuban task force, because he too was not supposed to know about it.

38:51 The Intelligence Board chairman, James Killian, created and his successor, Clark Clifford, continued a subcommittee on covert operations. This group finally received the agency's general briefings. The panel included Gordon Gray, who had returned to be part of this process. William Langer, a historian and senior CIA analyst from early in his history. Huh. Put a CIA guy on the panel. Brilliant.

39:24 and retired diplomat Robert Murphy. In early April, they received Cord Meyer, chief of the CIA's international organizations branch, and a logistical official to inform the group on actions in Latin America other than Cuba, which involved a good deal of labor union work and political operations. One of those that they were working on at the time was a political operation in Guyana.

40:05 that we're very familiar with, where they repeatedly tried to overthrow the government there. Bob Murphy, not impressed, told the full panel that Meyer's presentation consisted only of light touches. Meyer conveyed the impression that covert operations were just routine, and they did not rise to the level of importance for this prestigious board to even be aware of.

40:35 even though that's the entire purpose of the board. It didn't work. A few weeks later, the Clifford board demanded and received full information. Well, as full as you're going to get from about Cuba. They asked again in June when Clifford asked member James Doolittle to survey areas where the CIA had not implemented the intelligence board recommendations Kennedy had approved.

41:06 A fresh briefing in September featured CIA big guns, not just Cord Meyer, but Richard Helms and Desmond Fitzgerald. In September and November, John McCone at the Intelligence Board defended the CIA's role in South Vietnam against publicly reported charges of meddling in Saigon politics, which they certainly were. Among other things, he denied that the agency had anything to do with the coup of overthrowing Diem.

41:35 which again is a bold-faced lie. So they're just lying to the intelligence board, to Kennedy. So you're left with the question, who do they work for? It's not the president. Board members became increasingly concerned about the system's self-correcting ability. At an early meeting, one member remarked how impressed he had been, possibly a result of the Bay of Pigs post-mortem going on just then.

42:05 with how the special group could monitor implementation. But then they heard Max Taylor say his group had no such capability. A judgment seconded on another occasion by the State Department U. Alexis Johnson. Queried on September 1963 by Langer's covert action panel, Thomas Hughes of the State Department's Intelligence Unit noted that the department usually received project proposals only at the last minute.

42:36 just before the special group was supposed to decide on them. So no staffing, no looking into the plausible success, nothing. Just, hey, here's what we're going to talk about tomorrow. The CIA admitted this practice and justified it by saying that McComb insisted on reviewing these documents before he would allow them out of Langley. You know, it's just standard operating procedure.

43:03 Beyond the intelligence board, McCone had problems managing the components of the CIA's far-flung intelligence empire. The covers and contact staff had placed people in journalism, people in journalism, broadcasting, businesses, and at universities. Within the Pentagon itself, there were between 700 and 1,000 units that supported and provided cover.

43:35 for the CIA. Let me read that again. In the Pentagon, there were 700 to 1,000 areas where the CIA was. The singular headache was the array of CIA proprietaries. When McComb succeeded Dulles, preparations were already in place for the latest addition to the proprietaries. What became a complex of insurance?

44:10 Investment companies formed to handle contract CIA and survivor benefits arising from the Cuba affair. Helms set up a domestic operations division. You know where they're not supposed to be operating. That would manage the proprietaries because a large majority of them were in the United States where they're not allowed to be. It was also.

44:40 They also ran a program that picked up odd bits of intelligence by interviewing Americans who traveled to denied area countries or foreign nationals that were resident in the United States. An inspector general review of the unit in the mid 60s found haphazard financial direction of the proprietaries like money laundering.

45:08 Fittingly, perhaps Tracy Barnes became chief of the domestic operations division and E. Howard Hunt was a senior staffer there. You know, the guy that's working with the stay behinds in the United States called Cuban exiles. Yeah, that's where they were operating in the United States, training terrorists. Another was Hans Toft, T-O-F-T-E.

45:37 who finally brought Barnes down by getting the agency and the newspapers again under dubious circumstances. A junior CIA officer looking at an apartment Toft offered to rent saw secret documents in Toft's home and reported the security violation. Agency minders carted away several boxes of material Toft had taken from the office.

46:03 Matters got out of hand when Toph alleged that the security officers had stolen jewelry from his wife. He sued the CIA with attendant negative publicity. Toph lost the case and his job. Barnes retired. Then there was Air America. The aviation law changes in Taiwan had posed obstacles for civil air transport. The CIA had already been moving in the direction of a reorganization.

46:31 In 57, it created the Pacific Corporation, a Delaware registered holding company. That's convenient. Taking over assets of American Airedale Corporation, then formed Air America under it in 1959. Pacific Corporation had headquarters in Washington and field offices in Taiwan.

47:01 Air America was ostensibly a private charter firm under a slogan, anything, anywhere, anytime. Assassins for hire, anywhere, anytime, and anything to do. A civil air transport remained on Taiwan as a Chinese domestic airline, while extensive maintenance facilities were spun off.

47:38 in AirAsia, another proprietary. Pacific Corporation held residual interest. This proprietary was massive. At the height, Pacific Corporation employed 20,000 people. They're basically working for the CIA. Air America directly employed

48:10 5,600 up to 8,000 if support people were counted. And it owned or leased 167 aircraft. In 1970, it averaged 30,000 flights per month. 1970, 30,000 flights a month. That's 1,000 flights a day all over the world, primarily in Asia, hauling drugs and guns.

48:41 In 1973, its Pentagon contracts amounted to $41 million. So again, what they do is they contract with the Department of Defense, taking our taxpayer dollars to haul quote unquote cargo for the military and supplement those shipments with drugs and weapons illicitly.

49:10 Much smaller but still significant was Southern Air Transport, which grew enough to have a semi-autonomous corporate division for Atlantic and Pacific operations, another air proprietary. This company both owned and leased DC-6s and C-54 propeller-driven transports, Boeing 727 jets, and civilian versions of Lockheed C-130s. One example of the shell game played here.

49:39 is a DC-6A aircraft, tail number N89BL, originally owned by American Airlines. In June of 1960, World Airways bought the plane. And remember World Airways? We talked about that in the book Mafia CIA. Yeah, that one. Leasing it the same day to Southern Air. Both of those are proprietories. And the same day that Southern Air leased it,

50:13 From World Airways, they leased it to Air America. Wandering planes in addition to money. At other times, Air America lent money to Southern Air. Southern Air won a $3.7 million Air Force contract to move cargo and passengers to inter-island routes in the Pacific.

50:43 So again, it's money laundering. It's taking Air Force budget and what they're moving around isn't necessarily the military people in our island. Although you can take hops on those, you can use it as a scheduled airline, but they're actually moving all kinds of shit for the CIA. People did training in Saipan, like we found out they were doing with the Tibetans. Another important air proprietary was Intermountain Aviation.

51:17 Intermountain Aviation was at Marana, Arizona, northwest of Tucson. That's where Evergreen comes in. Intermountain had been formed in the late 1950s as an aircraft modification and maintenance facility, originally the Sonora Flying Service. It acquired Marana from Beezer Aviation Corporation.

51:47 The base had long been the center of air crew training, and the CIA soon used it for that as well. They also used it for modifying aircraft. Once succeeding in making their first solo flights, pilots were dunked in the swimming pool that featured among the base's amenities. Tibetan partisans, guerrillas, went there to learn how to parachute. After the Bay of Pigs, Gar Thornsrud,

52:19 showed up at Marana as president of Inner Mountain, ran by the CIA. His chief lieutenant, Connie M. Seigrist and Douglas Price, had been his deputies at trampoline for the Cuba project. So they just picked up and moved that group of pilots to Marana to continue doing what they had been doing in Nicaragua.

52:53 Intermountain furnished B-17 aircraft, a CIA plane first acquired for Indonesia for the attempted overthrow of Sukarno. It was used in a James Bond movie, Thunderball, in a thrilling scene in which the spy is picked up at sea. In 1966, more than 100 B-26 bombers sat on the apron, 100 for refurbishing.

53:23 Extending our example of CIA aircraft shell games, in 1967, the DC-6A previously mentioned was moved to Intermountain Aviation, another laundromat destination. Managing the proprietories, including many more than were mentioned here, was a formidable task. The CIA used a combination of interlocking board of directors.

53:54 plus agency personnel working undercover. George Doole, D-O-O-L-E, a former Pan Am pilot, which was also associated with the CIA, who joined the agency in 1950s, is the best known. When Air America was formed, Doole became an equal shareholder with Pacific Corporation. Through the majority shareholders, by far, were Taiwanese. You know, like Chiang Kai-shek.

54:26 The drug people are on the board of a CIA proprietary. Headquarters management was vested in the domestic operations division. On February 5th, 1963, Director McCone created the Executive Committee for Air Proprietary Operations to get a handle on what the hell was going on. Where were all of these things? Lawrence Houston chairs the committee.

54:56 which included representatives from the DO, the Director of Operations, and the CIA Comptroller's Office. Houston had saved the civil air transport relationship by recommending it to be continued back in 1956, when the 5412 group wanted it liquidated. Had it been liquidated, there's no way in hell they would have been able to do Indonesia, Tibet, and Cuba the way they did it.

55:29 Now he experienced the real headaches involved. The committee administered the proprietaries directly, effectively taking them away from Tracy Barnes' division. In 1968, the agency's inspector general, by then Gordon Stewart, conducted a study of the heir proprietors, at least the ones they told him they had, because there's no way of tracking that. Some of his staff protested that Stewart's criticisms went too far.

56:00 It is reported, strikingly, that the CIA could not establish exactly how many aircraft they owned. As director of the CIA, John McComb made no pretense to micromanagement. A California businessman, he understood that experts like Houston and Helms knew their jobs better than he could. McComb gave his component chiefs much more freedom than even Alan Dulles. Richard Helms appreciated that.

56:34 I'm sure he did. Helms encouraged CIA efforts in Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia. But by the middle of 1960s, Helms had almost as many people working in the DO as the entire State Department, more than a third of CIA's personnel. A former officer's records that almost 2,000 covert action experts were employed.

57:06 as against the 4,200 working in espionage and other clandestine services. That's not even counting everybody. That's just the ones they categorized as actual covert operators. The bulk of the paramilitary people in the Special Operations Division, the DO had about 4,800 officers in the area division.

57:33 Far East was the largest because, you know, we're running a war in Vietnam and a drug empire. They had about 1,500. Africa was the smallest with 300. Apart from the CIA director's contingency fund, the director for operations spent almost 60% of the CIA's budget. A lot of that money went to Fidel Castro operations.

58:04 That brings us to chapter 14 and a good place to stop. Freaking crazy. So chapter 14 focuses on all of the follow-up operations against Castro. So we'll go into a little detail on that. And it's a very long chapter because it was a very big project. And then we move on to Southeast Asia.

58:36 and Vietnam, which again is a big chapter. And then it kind of does around the world where it looks at a whole bunch of different operations. So, and then we move on to Operation Condor. So this book is, again, very comprehensive.

59:01 It doesn't carry all of them. And one of the parts he left out in the part that we just read was that after that scrub of all the proprietaries, one actually was involved in an incident and wasn't even on the list.

59:17 So McCone knew that they were lying to him. They gave him a list of here's our proprietaries, here's what they do. And I mean, within a very short period of time, that was revealed in one of the other books. There was actually like a huge blow up and it involved one of their proprietaries and it wasn't even on the list. Ron, go ahead. I got to pick my jaw up off the ground. This was amazing today.

59:51 The – what was I going to say? Air America and – Civil Air. Oh, no. I was going to ask. You know, we had the opium wars in China in the early 1800s. And now it seems like we're running the opium wars and the Chinese are, like, pissed off at us. What – is there a –

1:00:19 Did we stop that? Is that why we got out of Southeast Asia? Oh, by the way, when I refer to counter drug ops, I don't actually refer to that anymore. I just say it's counting the drug ops because that's basically what they're doing. But is there any relation to did we get out of Southeast Asia to pacify the Chinese as part of the agreement when we did?

1:00:48 In 1972, and that's why we went over to Afghanistan. So it's more complicated than that. But back to your question about the Boxer Wars, where the British was using India's opium to flood the China, mainland China. And the warlords that were down in the southeast area, which eventually produced Chiang Kai-shek.

1:01:16 and several others. He wasn't the only one. He's just the most notorious one in the aftermath. The introduction of, they were basically trying to destabilize China so they could control it, right? So they have Shanghai, they have Hong Kong.

1:01:40 territories that were awarded to the British at the end of their Boxer I and Boxer II wars. So Shanghai is set up as an international city. We know that Hong Kong was basically awarded to the British because they won both of those. They defeated the Chinese. And the Chinese were fighting to keep the opium out of China and to keep the foreigners out of China. And so over the course of time,

1:02:09 shanghai shek is a warlord and you have the advent of world war ii where shanghai shek sees this as his opportunity not just to fight the japanese but also to fight back against mao and so he's got a two-front war going on and the oss people that are there like stillwell and paul hellywell in the oss

1:02:33 are aiding Chiang Kai-shek. And they're looking around going, dude, you're doing awesome. You're using the opium profits of selling opium to your fellow countrymen and getting them all addicted, which is perpetual money, to pay for your weaponry in order to fight both Mao and the Japanese. And so they basically adopt Chiang Kai-shek. And once Chiang Kai-shek is finally ousted from mainland China,

1:03:02 move him basically to Burma, set up operations there. The Burmese government's like, yeah, I'm not having that. And that's how he ends up on Formosa, which they changed the name to Taiwan, and along the other seven islands. So now you have the Southeast Asia Opium Empire being ran by Chiang Kai-shek.

1:03:24 under the wing of the CIA. And they make all of the deals with Thailand, where they spent $35 million buying off the entire national police. They train them all there. They set up their intelligence function so they can fly.

1:03:41 in and out of the airports and they can ship in and out of the seaports because the guards there are all bought off and paid for by this $35 million that Paul Helliwell has arranged for the transit and the buying off of the national police in Thailand. So they have this whole operation set up and the...

1:04:05 uh, moving South into Vietnam of the KMT, um, into Laos and several other Laos becomes a drug thoroughfare. And at the time the French is in Vietnam because of course we decided to screw Ho Chi Minh and not allow Vietnam to be a free country. And the French go in and basically try to recolonize it. And Ho Chi Minh's not having any of it. And so they use

1:04:33 And the whole reason was they have a lot of French like rubber and stuff like that in Vietnam. It was resource rich, but they also had the opium fields next door in Laos. And so the French was using their position in Vietnam to feed the opium from Laos into the Corsican Mafia, which had the number four grade heroin, the best in the world. And eventually.

1:05:02 That all gets pushed out of the Corsican mafia down to the Sicilian mafia. And so you have this channel of all of the heroin in Southeast Asia under the control of the CIA using all of these proprietary airlines. Right. You know, it's very interesting to me. You know, everybody gives FDR all of this.

1:05:26 praise and credit but what does the d stand for is delano and del the delanos made all their freaking fortune off of the boxer rebellions if i'm not mistaken i know that's kind of digging down deep into well the delanos definitely were involved in opium shipping

1:05:42 Yeah, and I mean, it just goes to show where the money comes from the politicians to have their money to run for political office in the United States. Yeah, well, FDR, he had a lot of money. He had money from the Rockefellers, and I mean, he was bought and paid for by Wall Street 100%. Why are you so mad? Go ahead. Yeah, I have a question.

1:06:10 Since your vast knowledge as far as reading all of these books, do you have a good book that you could point me to to reference any the CIA operations between 1996 and 2000? Like something that would go in depth into the Kurds in 1997 that were backed by the CIA? And so who has their I don't have one. I mean, I lived it. I watched that happen.

1:06:41 Um, I don't have one per se off the top of my head. Okay. So you're going to write a book then? No, I'm not going to write a book. She might, she might consider, she might consider it compromised. Um, compromised. Okay. Who's that by? Um, I've read it actually. Terry, Terry Reed, Terry Reed compromised. Yeah. Okay. Um, did his, I don't, I've, I've read that book. Did it go up to the nineties?

1:07:12 It actually is all about the Clintons and the Bushes. Okay. I know, but his focused on the 80s and the MENA airport and all of that. Right. But all that bled into the 90s. Not really, because that was all the cocaine stuff, not the heroin stuff. That's why I'm saying I don't remember that being in the book, but it may have been.

1:07:40 What about the Bush crime company? You read that one. That does not include it. It stopped right at the early 90s and focused only on their operations here and in the Western Hemisphere. Yeah, I've read that book as well. If you could find something, yeah, if you could just DM me or something and let me know, because I'm trying to find something that goes from 1995 to 2000 that covers the Kurds.

1:08:08 the Albania financial crisis that they went through in 1998, as well as the Kosovo war. So, okay. All right. Who am I talking to? So that I know, um, why are you so mad? Yeah. Why are you so mad? Okay. Okay, cool. Thank you very much. Great. Great. Um, great episode too. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Um, all along, go ahead. Hi Colonel. Um, I just, um, am reminded.

1:08:43 Of this period, which, you know, I think it's so clear that what the JFK assassination, especially if we think about what we just read and heard you read, is so essential in terms of understanding the unelected government. Right. There's no there's no period quite like it. And the reason there's no period quite like it, I think, is really important to understand, because.

1:09:18 And the 1950s was, you know, under the operations coordinating board. I know I've said this before, and it was almost like a way of creating, you know, a post-approval government. Once it had passed the National Security Council, it was like they could, their job was to implement policy across the nine different executive departments.

1:09:48 They didn't have to go back for approval for the way that was implemented. So, you know, in one department, you might get X, Y and Z result in another A, B and C result. And it's and JFK cut ended that in February. And it's like I think within that framework, there's a there's a lot of room for, you know, national security.

1:10:16 and CIA fuckery, as it were. And so it's not a coincidence that during the JFK administration, you're going to see the largest discrepancy between, you know, as what you were mentioning, the conflict between the CIA station chiefs and top personnel versus the ambassadors, right? It really comes to a climax, surprise, surprise, 1961 to 63. And so...

1:10:47 When you put all that with the assassination, it's too damn educational because it's like every teacher from New York to California is now not just lying, but clearly and discernibly lying. It's too damn obvious. Yeah, it's too damn obvious. And so, especially in Vietnam, I mean, the whole relationship between the ambassador and the CIA station chief.

1:11:19 It's almost comical. It's it's so theatrical. You're like, no, no way this can be happening. And very few, you know, it's almost never discussed. But it's it's you really have to, you know, go it go there and look at the relationship between the ambassadors and the CIA station. She said Vietnam is it's so essential. But yeah. And but I forgot. But anyway, excellent show. Thanks for.

1:11:49 having this great show. Sure. Thank you all along. And I will comment on Rumble's Elwood C. The reason why Bridget is in the chat on Rumble is to find your questions. So it's not me that you need to, or Bridget doesn't need to yank my chain. If Bridget sees a question in the Rumble chat, she always lets me know. That's why she's here.

1:12:18 So don't be afraid to ask questions over there. I'm not ambidextrous when I'm trying to monitor the speakers on my phone. I can't also be looking at the chat and rumble. That's why her and I both do both things. So I'm not neglecting the chat. I'm like peak at my tech.

1:12:46 max when i do this because i have to do the rumble on my laptop and i have to do the spaces on my phone and i have to be with my eyes in the book so um i'm like stretched at the max during this time so you're just gonna have to bear with me um i don't purposely ignore people in the chat which is why sr71 and bridget are always by my side so um

1:13:16 If you have a question, just type it in and we'll answer it. Okay, that said, if you guys weren't here at the beginning of the show, you guys know that I've been doing the U2 stuff over on the premium site. And last night, I thought I had done enough to be done with this month. And when it finally clicked last night, it's you have to do five hours of premium.

1:13:46 each month in order to keep your premium status. And it registered at 4.9. So between now and eight o'clock, which I'm going to be on a show with, hold on just a second. Let me get my calendar up. JFK expert, Tim Gardner's project.

1:14:13 um, podcast at eight o'clock. I will do another segment of you too. It won't be a long one because I do have to eat at some point. Um, but I will do that just so that I don't have to worry about putting it in tomorrow because tomorrow is a packed day too. I've got Tommy in the morning. I've got our four o'clock and then I've got the, um, book club with, um,

1:14:38 Ash and CanCon at six. So I don't wanna have to do another one tomorrow. So we will do another shorter one in a little bit so that I can get that in. Okay, so that's it. Thanks everybody for being here. And yeah, this is quite the book, especially with where we're at and all of the stuff going on. It just puts everything in context.

1:15:10 And I did want to mention, if you guys didn't see the show I was on with Nino or my earlier post, just so that you guys know, I mean, I know you know this, we're not wasting our time learning all of this stuff, that the massive arrest that just happened in France of an assassin group of killing people.

1:15:33 had intelligence people, had cops, government officials involved in it. And it was a Gladio cell. And of course, the French intelligence were involved in it. And then Candace Owens, of course, spoke up and said, hey, I told you there was a hit team that was given the job of taking me out. And I said back when she originally said that,

1:16:04 Obviously, you could find the post somewhere in my history that while I don't agree with everything Candace Owens says, her saying that was absolutely a possibility because of Operation Gladio. We know how that works. And she was embarrassing the state and the state has access to Gladio operators. And so it is completely plausible that the state would activate one of them.

1:16:33 to do that mission. And the recent arrest of like 20 different people that were involved in multiple assassinations, that's a gladio cell. And it just kind of...

1:16:45 verifies all of this information and then again um you come across passages in here where it's talking about detachment a being part of special forces and being over in the eastern um germany part which again just goes to verify all of the big picture that we have created here over the last three plus years is all verified multiple times through multiple sources

1:17:15 in all of these books that we read. And of course, I knew all of that as we were coming through all of this, because I had already read probably...

1:17:29 30 or 40 books before I ever even got on my first podcast and went, holy shit, you're never going to believe what I found. So it's just very, very important to understand the context of what we're operating in. And you guys have a front row seat to what's going on and are way more informed than most people about all of that. So all along. Yeah, sorry to interrupt, Carl, but.

1:17:59 Can you give the time? Is that tonight that you're doing the JFK show? Yes, at 8 o'clock. At 8 o'clock tonight. Okay, I'm definitely going to be interested in that. I think everybody should be sure and hear this. It's going to be amazing. Okay, bye. Yeah, the whole reason why I want people in the JFK space to understand Operation Gladio is not that I'm a JFK expert. I am not.

1:18:29 But if you understand Operation Gladio, it puts JFK's assassination in a completely different light. If you understand that the Cuban exiles were our Gladio units, if you understand what the role of the OAS was in France and the fact that they were at the same time trying to assassinate Charles de Gaulle all under NATO.

1:18:52 And if you understand that Lyman Lemonsker was running NATO, who had been fired by JFK for writing Operation Northwood, which is Operation Gladio, it literally puts the entire thing in a completely different context. And that's how you get away from this narrative that it's all Israel. It is not all Israel. Travis, go ahead. I just wanted to let you know I sent you a two-part video on...

1:19:24 The Might End Snipers. That's going to blow your mind when you have a chance to listen to watch them. About being right sector? It has the actual snipers confessing. Yeah. Well, I've read the court documents of the, they had a trial that had witness statements in there. So I'll definitely watch the videos. These guys.

1:19:56 They went to Spain using false identities and hooked up with an independent journalist in Spain to tell him what really happened. And they say they were set up. They thought they were going to be taking out like violent agents that had been installed in the protesters.

1:20:25 But once they got there, they found out that was totally bogus. These were just innocent protesters. But they tell who's involved, who gave the orders, who each one of them shot. Then they all, like as soon as the video, they all said as soon as the video was over, they had other identities and they were getting out of the country and disappearing. Yeah. All right.

1:20:57 I'll definitely watch it. Thank you for putting that, sending it to me. Sure. Okay. Bridget, go ahead. Oh, you already answered it. I was just going to ask, one of the guys asked, what podcast for the JFK episode? Yeah. So I don't know what he, I don't know if he's on YouTube. I don't know if he's just on Rumble. I don't know. But that's the name of it. JFK, Tim Gardner.

1:21:25 project. So if you search on that, I'm sure that you'll be able to find his website, his channel on YouTube or wherever it's at. But that's tonight at eight o'clock. Okay. Thanks again, everyone for being here. I appreciate it. And I will see you guys in the chat at eight or back here tomorrow at four. Take care, everybody.

Entities here

CIA28 John F. Kennedy19 Vietnam15 U.S. Intelligence Board14 John McCone13 Cuba12 Air America12 Bay of Pigs11 U.S. Air Force11 U.S. Army Special Forces11 China10 Operation Gladio10 Richard Helms9 Lawrence Houston8 Dwight D. Eisenhower7 U.S. Army7 United States7 Edward Lansdale6 France6 Special Operations Group6 Ambassadors5 James Killian5 ARC Wings5 Intermountain Aviation5 Boxer Rebellion5 U.S. State Department5 Chiang Kai-shek5 National Security Council4 Domestic Operations Division4 McGeorge Bundy4 20th Special Forces Group4 Walt Rostow4 Pacific Corporation4 Robert F. Kennedy3 Joint Chiefs of Staff3 Tracy Barnes3 Graves Erskine3 Reinhard Gehlen3 Germany3 Victor Krulak3

Claims made here

John McCone covered_up CIA host_asserted ▶ 37:24

“When it came to the latest Cuba project, the Intelligence Board found, because the CIA had not briefed on it, that no overall plan seemed to exist. By late 1962, the Killian Board wanted access to the…”

Clark Clifford succeeded James Killian documented ▶ 38:51

“The Intelligence Board chairman, James Killian, created and his successor, Clark Clifford, continued a subcommittee on covert operations. This group finally received the agency's general briefings. Th…”

CIA carried_out_attack Guyana host_asserted ▶ 39:24

“and retired diplomat Robert Murphy. In early April, they received Cord Meyer, chief of the CIA's international organizations branch, and a logistical official to inform the group on actions in Latin A…”

John McCone covered_up 1963 South Vietnamese coup host_asserted ▶ 41:06

“A fresh briefing in September featured CIA big guns, not just Cord Meyer, but Richard Helms and Desmond Fitzgerald. In September and November, John McCone at the Intelligence Board defended the CIA's …”

John McCone succeeded Allen Dulles documented ▶ 43:35

“for the CIA. Let me read that again. In the Pentagon, there were 700 to 1,000 areas where the CIA was. The singular headache was the array of CIA proprietaries. When McComb succeeded Dulles, preparati…”

Tracy Barnes headed Domestic Operations Division documented ▶ 45:08

“Fittingly, perhaps Tracy Barnes became chief of the domestic operations division and E. Howard Hunt was a senior staffer there. You know, the guy that's working with the stay behinds in the United Sta…”

CIA front_for Pacific Corporation host_asserted ▶ 46:31

“In 57, it created the Pacific Corporation, a Delaware registered holding company. That's convenient. Taking over assets of American Airedale Corporation, then formed Air America under it in 1959. Paci…”

CIA front_for Air America host_asserted ▶ 47:01

“Air America was ostensibly a private charter firm under a slogan, anything, anywhere, anytime. Assassins for hire, anywhere, anytime, and anything to do. A civil air transport remained on Taiwan as a …”

CIA trafficked Air America host_asserted ▶ 48:10

“5,600 up to 8,000 if support people were counted. And it owned or leased 167 aircraft. In 1970, it averaged 30,000 flights per month. 1970, 30,000 flights a month. That's 1,000 flights a day all over …”

CIA front_for Southern Air Transport host_asserted ▶ 49:10

“Much smaller but still significant was Southern Air Transport, which grew enough to have a semi-autonomous corporate division for Atlantic and Pacific operations, another air proprietary. This company…”

CIA laundered_money_for Southern Air Transport host_asserted ▶ 50:13

“From World Airways, they leased it to Air America. Wandering planes in addition to money. At other times, Air America lent money to Southern Air. Southern Air won a $3.7 million Air Force contract to …”

CIA front_for Intermountain Aviation host_asserted ▶ 50:43

“So again, it's money laundering. It's taking Air Force budget and what they're moving around isn't necessarily the military people in our island. Although you can take hops on those, you can use it as…”

Gar Thornsrud headed Intermountain Aviation documented ▶ 52:19

“showed up at Marana as president of Inner Mountain, ran by the CIA. His chief lieutenant, Connie M. Seigrist and Douglas Price, had been his deputies at trampoline for the Cuba project. So they just p…”

CIA carried_out_attack Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 52:53

“Intermountain furnished B-17 aircraft, a CIA plane first acquired for Indonesia for the attempted overthrow of Sukarno. It was used in a James Bond movie, Thunderball, in a thrilling scene in which th…”

CIA laundered_money_for Intermountain Aviation host_asserted ▶ 53:23

“Extending our example of CIA aircraft shell games, in 1967, the DC-6A previously mentioned was moved to Intermountain Aviation, another laundromat destination. Managing the proprietories, including ma…”

Lawrence Houston headed Executive Committee for Air Proprietary Operations documented ▶ 54:26

“The drug people are on the board of a CIA proprietary. Headquarters management was vested in the domestic operations division. On February 5th, 1963, Director McCone created the Executive Committee fo…”

John McCone ordered_assassination_of Fidel Castro host_asserted ▶ 57:33

“Far East was the largest because, you know, we're running a war in Vietnam and a drug empire. They had about 1,500. Africa was the smallest with 300. Apart from the CIA director's contingency fund, th…”

CIA funded Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 1:02:33

“are aiding Chiang Kai-shek. And they're looking around going, dude, you're doing awesome. You're using the opium profits of selling opium to your fellow countrymen and getting them all addicted, which…”

Chiang Kai-shek trafficked China host_asserted ▶ 1:02:33

CIA funded Thailand host_asserted ▶ 1:03:24

“under the wing of the CIA. And they make all of the deals with Thailand, where they spent $35 million buying off the entire national police. They train them all there. They set up their intelligence f…”

CIA trained Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 1:03:24

Paul Hellyer funded Thailand host_asserted ▶ 1:03:41

“in and out of the airports and they can ship in and out of the seaports because the guards there are all bought off and paid for by this $35 million that Paul Helliwell has arranged for the transit an…”

France trafficked Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:04:33

“And the whole reason was they have a lot of French like rubber and stuff like that in Vietnam. It was resource rich, but they also had the opium fields next door in Laos. And so the French was using t…”

Mafia succeeded Sicilian Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:05:02

“That all gets pushed out of the Corsican mafia down to the Sicilian mafia. And so you have this channel of all of the heroin in Southeast Asia under the control of the CIA using all of these proprieta…”

Delano Family trafficked China host_asserted ▶ 1:05:26

“praise and credit but what does the d stand for is delano and del the delanos made all their freaking fortune off of the boxer rebellions if i'm not mistaken i know that's kind of digging down deep in…”

Operation Gladio involved_in France host_asserted ▶ 1:15:10

“And I did want to mention, if you guys didn't see the show I was on with Nino or my earlier post, just so that you guys know, I mean, I know you know this, we're not wasting our time learning all of t…”

Detachment A operated_in Germany book_quoted ▶ 1:16:45

“verifies all of this information and then again um you come across passages in here where it's talking about detachment a being part of special forces and being over in the eastern um germany part whi…”

Brigade 2506 front_for Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:18:29

“But if you understand Operation Gladio, it puts JFK's assassination in a completely different light. If you understand that the Cuban exiles were our Gladio units, if you understand what the role of t…”

Operation Northwoods front_for Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:18:52

“And if you understand that Lyman Lemonsker was running NATO, who had been fired by JFK for writing Operation Northwood, which is Operation Gladio, it literally puts the entire thing in a completely di…”

Lyman Lemnitzer headed North Atlantic Treaty Organization host_asserted ▶ 1:18:52

Lyman Lemnitzer founded Operation Northwoods host_asserted ▶ 1:18:52