The Colonels corner president’s secret war chapter 8

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0:01 We are going to get started in about three minutes as soon as Miss Bridget or SR71 shows up. But happy Friday, everybody. It's almost the weekend. I feel the need to actually confess that every day is a weekend for me. Friday has all of a sudden.

0:33 Taken on a little of its old meaning since I am watching my grandbaby for my daughter for the next couple of months. So, yeah, that's fun. Anyway. All right. So lots of stuff going on. Holy moly. I'm going to, again, wait just a couple of minutes. I'll take this opportunity to.

1:09 Mention a couple of things. So we did an awesome show last night with CanCon and Alpha. And we talked about Greenland. I shared with them some very interesting tidbits of information. And had a lot of fun. Alpha's crazy. I think everybody knows that. And today.

1:38 I did the show with Warhamster on Secret Societies. And as with everything Warhamster, I definitely learned a lot. And it does amaze me at the patterns of the people that are involved in the international syndicate.

2:07 And I love partnering with him on that part because it obviously is not my expertise. And he does have a leg up on anyone, basically. His fiance's parents are historians in a university setting in the Northeast.

2:32 And so they get to go all kinds of places and see all kinds of things that you and I would not be able to. And he has access to a lot of research material. So it definitely makes it. And I'm very glad that I'm able to share his expertise with everybody here, because I know that's a frequently asked question is who are they? And I think it becomes fairly obvious who they are.

3:01 When you start looking at the organizations like Skull and Bones that they belong to. So with that being said, we now have Bridget and SR71 in place. So we're going to kick this off. If you guys wouldn't mind reposting the space. They have a tendency to hide the space. I've had people repeatedly tell me that they're looking for it and can't find it on the master list.

3:30 You wouldn't mind sharing that out. As a matter of fact, I think I just did the DM, so I will do it myself. And now when I was down under listeners for the first time in a week, I could hear every word you were saying. I don't know what's going on. Well, that's interesting. I'm not even going to try to pretend like I understand what's going on. Yeah, it's it's a hot mess and we'll just leave it at that.

4:02 All right. So let's get started. Chapter eight. And let's see. This is probably another one we're going to have to do in two parts because it's fairly long. But it's called Archipelago. And this one starts off with talking about some elements of the CIA regretted not being able to act.

4:29 to help the Hungarian crisis, because remember where we left that is that they had basically rebelled, thinking that the West, specifically the U.S. and Britain, would come to their aid and free them if they began a civil war against the Soviet occupation, only to be left high and dry and, you know, a whole bunch of them getting killed.

4:56 And so it goes on to say that there were a variety of other jobs to which they could turn an array of operations in the Middle East and along the China coast, meaning that they weren't interested in actually freeing people that wanted to be free. They were interested in attacking people that they wanted to control. And that really is the lesson that needs to be driven home here. The CIA at no time.

5:25 has ever between the opportunity to free people that are fighting for actual freedom and to go off and for their overlords, overthrow a government that has resources that they wanted. This CIA has never opted for freedom ever. So these both of the.

5:53 Other areas that they were looking at had opportunity for both political action and covert operations. But unlike the victories in Iran and Guatemala, these proved to be a little bit more difficult. But they were in it for different reasons, too. The results did not dampen their vigor of wanting to do covert operations, however.

6:23 And while the president monitored the overall program, his secretary of state, John Foster Dulles, and his brother, Allen, oversaw the execution. And this is a critical point because you remember in many of these books, they pretend like the State Department is separate from the CIA, and it is not. John Foster Dulles pursued the secret war with the same zeal and energy that he attended diplomatic meetings.

6:53 He became the most traveled Secretary of State in American history, which isn't a surprise because all of his customers had international businesses. Foster kept close tabs on his brother Allen in the Intel world. Foster Dulles was abrasive rigid and a pragmatist. His advantage was mainly the common outlook that he shared with Eisenhower. But the Secretary of State was already in physical decline.

7:23 He would eventually die of cancer in 1959, and the continuing crisis that followed Hungary took a great toll on him. One of the new plans originating in the months before the Suez, a CIA contract officer assigned for purposes of cover to the Operations Coordination Board heard the code name Strangle, Straggle, sorry, Strangle, Straggle.

7:52 used at an Anglo-American intelligence conference. It had been dropped by George K. Young, who was deputy to the SIS chief in connection with the Middle East operation. When the CIA man returned to Washington, he discovered that a planning task force called Omega had already been formed at the State Department. Unfamiliar with the chain of command, the CIA man, Wilbur Evelyn,

8:22 E-B-E-L-A-N-D, thought, quote, that plans to undertake a coup in Syria were centered in the State Department struck me highly unusual. I'd expected to see papers referring to NSD policy decisions and instructions that the OCB coordinated carrying them out. Instead, it seemed the decision had been made by the Secretary of State.

8:49 and that the Omega planners were in charge of following through. Foster Dulles held a meeting in May of 1956 to consider the final Omega paper. Shortly thereafter, Evelyn, an experienced Middle East agent, was directed to scout the possibilities on the ground. He was given two months in theater.

9:14 In July, Kermit Roosevelt went out to Jordan on another assignment related to this same mission. Operation Straggle, known to the Americans as Wakeful, so Straggle was the British name, led to a complete disaster. The basic idea was to bring about a coup with Syrian officers to forestall the Ba'ath Party, which would have, of course, been the Assads.

9:45 In fact, however, the British seem to have manipulated the CIA into timing the operation for precisely the beginning of the Anglo-French-Israeli action against the Suez. The coup project collapsed as key Syrian and Iraqis became convinced the Americans were only assisting the other action against Nasser in Egypt.

10:14 The coup was resurrected in 57 and renamed Operation WAPEN, W-A-P-P-E-N, with the CIA in Beirut, Lebanon, coordinating a covert working group composed of representatives from the British SIS plus Iraqi, Jordanian, and Lebanese intelligence. The station chief in Damascus also had his own version of Operation Wakeful.

10:43 for which he had brought up a political action specialist by the name of Howard Rocky Stone. So Rocky was his nickname. One of those officers who had worked with Kermit Roosevelt in Iran. The agency got in touch with former Syrian President Shikhaqli, who had been considered unacceptable as an ally in the 1956 coup.

11:10 This time, the Syrian officers who had been recruited simply walked into the office of the intelligence chief, Lieutenant Colonel Abdul Hamid Sarja, named the CIA officers and turned in the money that they had been given. American agents Rocky Stone and Frank Jedin had been caught red-handed and exposed in the Syrian press and were expelled from the country. In August 57,

11:39 In the issue of Time Magazine, they dismissed reports that the U.S. had sponsored a coup and labeled it Soviet propaganda. Where have we seen that before? One novelty for the CIA during 1956 was a global inspection tour by Alan Dulles. He had taken Ray Klein as an aide on this trip.

12:11 and the group cover over 30,000 miles in 57 days. They used the director's personal plane, a modified version of a DC-6. Dulles inspected the stations in Europe, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Thailand, South Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, the Philippines, Taiwan.

12:38 South Korea, and Japan. Now, let me point out for you guys exactly what's going on here. This is in 56. This is as we're getting ready to upend the French in Vietnam. And every single country that I just named, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Thailand, South Vietnam, Singapore, Australia.

13:08 As a matter of fact, these are all going to be in the 70s where they open BCCI branches and branches of Nugent Hand Bank to money launder the drugs that they're going to have produced during this time. So he's basically doing a whirlwind tour to set up the operation that will eventually unfold when we take over Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia and all of the...

13:37 Golden Triangle opium field. Dulles' world tour was Washington's recognition of the CIA's global role. For the Warriors, a more accurate sign of their fate lay in Allen Dulles' airplane. In 1958, through a chain of coincidences and misfortune, his plane

14:09 Flew into Soviet airspace, then was shot down with the loss of four of the nine occupants. This set the tone for an operation that was being prepared in Indonesia, which, of course, we end up overthrowing in the 1960s because we don't like Sukarno and we want to put Suharto in there because of their massive gold and oil find.

14:38 Dwight Eisenhower, in his recollections of the president's, I guess, in his library, mentions Sukarno of Indonesia exactly one time. Eisenhower remarks that he had not seen Sukarno in years. This comment was made in the context of a discussion of why.

15:06 Eisenhower felt justified in rejecting a 1960 plea from Sukarno and four other national leaders for a summit talk between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Eisenhower's dissatisfaction with Indonesia led to a major paramilitary operation designed to overthrow the existing government, much like they did in Iran and Guatemala.

15:34 appeal for a superpower detente, Sukarno was in fact speaking from experience of having been caught between the two adversaries. Sukarno's unpardonable offense in the eyes of Eisenhower was to reject the division of the world into two camps. Sukarno said there was a third way of being neutral, taking neither side in the Cold War, as did certain other leaders.

16:03 like Burma, Nasser, Nehru of India, which, by the way, they all get taken care of in not a good way. Sukarno advocated a new association of non-aligned nations, and that's not allowed, sorry. Indonesia hosted a major national conference in 1955 for this coalition, and the People's Republic of China played a major role in these meetings.

16:33 looking, obviously, for international recognition because this is mainland China, not the ones they love in Taiwan. Throughout his stewardship of the State Department, John Foster Dollars remained a steadfast opponent of non-alignment. You are not allowed to be neutral unless you're Switzerland and Sweden, and that's just because they were pretending to be neutral when they were never neutral. If you're really neutral, that's not allowed, and they're in charge because they'll kill you.

17:03 If you don't obey. Plus, like I said, it really, although they hated the fact that he was neutral, they really wanted, they knew that the golden oil was there since the 1930s. That's really what they wanted. They'll use any excuse to get to that. So Dulles behaved as if choosing one of the Cold War camps was a moral duty. And if you failed to perform your moral duty by choosing or not choosing,

17:34 and wanting to be neutral, you are just as bad as being evil. This disposition blinded Dulles to certain real possibilities and opportunities for actual foreign relations, but that's not why he's there. That's what cracks me up these authors fail to realize. They're not there. They're there for their masters, which are the international syndicate, and to rape and pillage all of the resources. In 1957,

18:04 Burmese Prime Minister offered to intercede for the Americans during an official visit to Peking. He did so, and the Chinese agreed to release the captured CIA agent John Downey and Richard Fectow in exchange for nothing more than Americans' agreement to allow a few journalists to visit the People's Republic and report on what the actual new China looked like. Dulles refused, and the CIA

18:33 men remained in prison for over another 10 years when they could have been free because of this bastard. Because of Chinese involvement in the non-aligned movement, Dulles feared the Soviets would be able to manipulate the neutralists for propaganda gain. Sukarno was an object of particular ire for the brothers for organizing this.

19:06 effort. The Indonesian president appeared vulnerable because of cultural and geographic nature of his country because, of course, Indonesia is made up of a million islands and geographically stretched out, so it's almost impossible to defend. The Dutch colony for almost four centuries, 400 years. Indonesia

19:31 was made up of both Muslim and Buddhist influences. The different social groups were isolated on their own different islands, and obviously Indonesia made up archipelago. Basically, 3,000 minor islands and six major islands.

19:55 Independence came in the rush of decolonization after World War II. For the Indonesians, the problem lay in transforming the array of islands into a nation state. Sukarno had been a prominent wartime nationalist and active in the post-war resistance against the Dutch. He was a natural choice for president, just like...

20:24 Kim in Korea and Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. He basically played the same role in Indonesia. He was a pragmatist visionary, and Sukarna was a no-nonsense kind of guy, and he was not in any stretch of the imagination a communist, none. Indeed, he outlawed the Communist Party in 1949 following an abortive coup attempt.

20:54 After cooperating with the armed forces, Sukarno then turned away from them. And Sukarno was basically kind of managing all of the desperate people throughout Indonesia. Economic chaos reigned amid the political struggle.

21:16 Rubber, tin and oil were the main exports, but prices for the first two had fluctuated in the early 1950s while oil production was falling. By the mid 1950s, the small budget surplus had become a deficit and fractionalism was rampant during that time and he was having trouble budgetarily. And of course, this is not because just isolated incidents.

21:44 incidences to Indonesia, they were manipulating the market to cause stress, just like they've done for other countries. The first CIA operation was a political action. Elections were to be held in September 1955, and the Americans wished to influence them. Kermit Roosevelt approved a program memorandum requesting a million dollars. The memorandum was only a few paragraphs long.

22:12 Lacked any detail or even a plan. It just basically was a budget request. The project sailed through the bureaucracy, received all of the approval that it needed, and the money was spent to promote a progressive Muslim party exchanging the dollars for Indonesian money on the Hong Kong Black Market Exchange. The CIA was able to get its approved budget into the equivalent of basically

22:42 $4 million in the U.S. because of the black market exchange. Hold on, I got to sneeze. Well, maybe I don't. As soon as I say it, I don't. But in the elections, the, let's see, there were 6 million, there were 34 million votes cast and Sukarno.

23:08 then appeared to confirm Americans' fears by making official visits during the 1956 to China, Russia, and other Eastern European countries. The American began rumblings that he's now a communist. Again, it was Frank Wisner who set the pace. One day towards the end of 56, he said, I think it's time we held Soccarno's feet to the fire.

23:39 Wisner's subordinate returned to the Far East Division with the word that the new arrangement for Soekarno was going to be moved up in the priority. And one officer in the Indonesian branch recalled being told that if some plan for doing this was not worth coming, that their stockings were going to be filled with coal.

24:07 Far East Division was the biggest in that area of the CIA. As it happened, the division chief, Alfred Ulmer Jr., knew about paramilitary operations, but very little about Asia. He had been transferred from the European operation under a CIA policy that allowed executives with experience to move into different regions.

24:37 begun in the Navy and had been transferred to the OSS, and he stayed all the way through the different iterations until it finally got to be the CIA. He had served in Vienna and Madrid and had been a station chief in Athens. Now, what do we know about that? Madrid is where Franco was, is at this time. He's still there.

25:02 where Otto Skorzeny is. So this guy has worked covert operations with Otto Skorzeny. And he was in Greece, and we know that we overthrew Greece's government too. So he is no stranger to covert operations. Ulmer depended on basically his office to develop a plan for Indonesia. It was at this point that an opportunity seemed to just appear.

25:32 Indonesia's local commanders in western and northern Sumatra, frustrated by command changes in the army and other factors, declared themselves independent and not bound to any national military command. The Indonesian's colonels, who began this revolt in December 1956, then used their own troops and government-provided equipment to smuggle goods on a large scale through Singapore. The revolt widened.

26:00 in 1957 when the colonel commanding the area declared a state of emergency and replaced the civilian government there in their own form of coup. There's kind of controversy over whether that was an organic thing that happened or whether that was part of this whole operation. There's different accounts of that. I'm just going to leave that there. The CIA had several avenues for contacting the Indonesian

26:33 Richard Bissell, then the special assistant to Alan Dulles, recalls that the Indonesians had approached the agency at least two years before the operation, which is why most people think they were involved in it. These contacts came through the Indonesian military attache in Washington, who later defected. And most people believe he's the one that instigated the whole thing using the CIA.

27:04 And the reason why I know this is because I did quite a bit of research into this, because one of these colonels was the guy, Sotero, that Obama's mother ends up with. He's one of the colonels that's involved in this. Finally, the U.S. conducted a training program in Indonesian National Police, and in the course of which CIA officers began infiltrating other aspects of Kuwait.

27:34 Sukarno's government. An approach came in April 1957 through local channels for two of the prominent colonels, a guy by the name of Hussein, isn't that weird? Hussein, like Barack Obama's middle name? Yeah, that Hussein. And Simbolin, who had been passed over in Sukarno's army.

28:05 And so they were disgruntled. These officers wished to meet personally with a CIA man, and Al Ulmer saw the opportunity to make this happen. So when the desk officer brought this opportunity to him in Jakarta, top security was immediately imposed by Ulmer, and there was a restricted need to know that.

28:33 amounted to only nine people in the entire CIA. With some hesitation, there had been no 5412 group meeting to approve any of these operations. And so Ulmer got Allen Dulles and Wisner to let him follow up on the contact. A meeting took place and the Indonesian colonels wanted modern American weapons.

29:04 Still, it lacked any presidential approval whatsoever. After an unsuccessful try at arranging a private arms deal, it was determined to seek authority and then move ahead with an official arms deal. Sukarna himself helped the Eisenhower administration decide to support this narrative because in February 1957, the Indonesian president had given a speech.

29:31 where he prescribed guided democracy for his country, asserting that Western-style democracy had proved inadequate for Indonesia. And again, you're not allowed to decide what form of government you have. The Americans will decide for you because they know best. So Sukarno declared that political parties should be disbanded and that they basically would have anybody could run for president.

30:03 This was, let's see, the speech came after Sukarno's extended tour of the Eastern Asian, like Russia and or Soviet Union and China visits. Washington saw this as a quote unquote move to communism. To top it all off, Sukarno then welcomed the Soviet president.

30:33 president into Indonesia for a stay of over two months. In May, the U.S. flatly rejected a request by Sukarno to make a visit to Washington. The fall of 1957, as it turns out, there would be little opposition to putting Indonesia on the CIA hit list. When Frank Wisner hand-carried the DCI's office a simple voucher that would enable him to withdraw $10 million.

31:02 for the overthrow. The active phase of Indonesia operations caused some uproar internal to the CIA. Alan Dulles kept in close contact, although he delegated the supervisory role mainly to Lieutenant General Charles Cabell, C-A-B-E-L-L. Bistel was brought into the planning despite his usual job of managing aerial reconnaissance programs because the U-2

31:31 was going to be used over Indonesia to create intel. Cabal began to rely on Bissell's organizational skills for operational planning. Everybody was excited because they were going to pull off another coup. Umar exclaimed, we'll drive Lebanon off the front pages of the news because we're going to overthrow another government. The State Department did impose certain restrictions.

32:01 There was to be only one team of Americans on the ground at any one time and a radio operator. They were to maintain contact with the colonels that were the dissidents in the country. The Indonesian project is unique in that it shows very clearly that the command role of John Foster Dulles in the secret war. The secretary of state was in New York for a meeting at the UN.

32:27 when he received word from his brother Alan on September 16, 1957, for the final go-ahead for the coup. Only his side of the conversation was recorded by an official note-taker. Here's what he said. Quote, Then you got the green light otherwise? Unquote. He also asked, Is this the West and not the East End? And then he asked, Is that nearer to us?

32:57 and then basically said okay. The first item of business at the NSC meeting in September was an interdepartmental committee meeting on Indonesia. Its recommendation was to continue the present pattern of our formal relations, but to adjust our program and activities to give active support to non-communist forces, which was basically anybody that they claimed.

33:22 and also to execute a CIA covert operation. From that moment, the Secretary of State was in frequent contact with his brother over the Indonesian operation. Foster Dulles overruled his own ambassador in Jakarta, John Allison, who had learned of American contact with the colonels and argued against CIA support, as was the case with the American ambassador during the Lee-Me business in Burma.

33:51 Allison was then deliberately misinformed regarding anything that was going on with the CIA operation. John Foster called Allen on November 29th to tell him of an extremely significant cable from Allison that involved a complete reversal in that the ambassador was now advising action. Foster said, quote,

34:16 What was happening there was that one by one, they were gradually being eliminated. Our assets were gradually shrinking. Today, we have substantial assets with which to deal. We will, however, have only half those if any more time goes by. Because evidently, Stucarno wasn't as dumb as the Americans thought he was. The degree of John Foster Dulles' involvement was again demonstrated in the next few days.

34:44 when in an assassination attempt carried out by some quote-unquote Islamic fanaticals and unrelated to what their planning was, supposedly. I don't believe any of that. Five hand grenades were thrown at Soccarno as he left a school fundraiser. Soccarno escaped, 10 persons were killed, and 48 children injured.

35:16 which sounds exactly like an Operation Gladio event, because they do this to get the people to turn against their president. The immediate question was whether to send condolences on the deaths and congratulate Sukarno on his escape. Foster thought that was going to be a wise thing to do. Probably the failure to do it would look suspicious, he said. During early December, yeah, because we want you dead.

35:45 But we want to do it. During early December, difficulties arose with the British. In Singapore, the CIA had maintained liaison with British intelligence for many years. But in Indonesia, it was thought desirable to expand their local station and not share with the British. Because, again, remember what they're doing. The British were partners with Dutch Shell.

36:13 in the oil in this area. And the Rockefellers want Standard Oil to have that oil all by themselves. And so there is some one-ups been going on here. So Allen went to Foster while senior British foreign officer officials were visiting Washington for discussions. The secretary remarked, quote, if this thing goes on the way

36:45 On the way it is, we will have something across there which will be pretty bad, unquote. A few minutes later, Foster was on the phone to his undersecretary, Christian Herter, H-E-R-T-E-R. What he would like to do is to see things get to a point where we could plausibly withdraw our recognition of the Sukarno government and basically bestow that on someone else.

37:11 We may never have a better opportunity than now. And on December 12th, the secretary's intelligence director, Hugh Cumming Jr., told Foster he hoped the secretary, quote, will get the British with us in Indonesia. MI6 and SIS wants to move and cooperate with the CIA, unquote.

37:36 because they know the oil and the gold is there too, because Dutch are the ones that originally found it. Alan Dulles, remaining optimistic, in mid-January, Dulles told his brother Foster, everything's going all right on this matter. This view was echoed in the last-minute official appraisal sent by the CIA over Dulles' signature on January 31st.

38:07 The 14-page paper argued that the group of military men seemed assured of support from other facets of the country and that they would be able to break Sukarno's grip on the country. Intelligence reported that the group in present circumstances believed they could successfully resist any military action by the central government. The CIA had advanced knowledge of the rebel ultimatum.

38:36 which it predicted would be delivered on the 5th of February, but critically miscalculated in its assessment that Sukarno would not attempt to put pressure on the outer islands in the short run. CIA assumed that their group would be in a better position. At State Department, Hugh Cummings was called into the secretary's office. Foster Dulles told him, this is my own feeling.

39:05 as between a territorial united Indonesia, which is leaning towards communism, and a breakup of that country into geographical units. I prefer the latter, because that's what they did everywhere. That's why they broke up Yugoslavia and all of these other places, is because if they break them up, they're easier to control as little units. Later, Cummings was briefed in more detail.

39:32 Though he claims to have stopped them before they could broach the CIA operation, Cummings necessarily had knowledge of the plan because he was the State Department's intelligence chief. Indeed, we have seen that Foster Dulles discussed operational aspects with Cummings several times. The Far East Department expected the 5412 group's approval would bring cooperation throughout the government, but the Navy continued to drag its feet. Admiral Arleigh Burke

40:01 The chief of naval operations simply did not press the matter within his service. Both Alan Dulles and Harder raised this with him in February. At about this same time, aerial reconnaissance disclosed Indonesia's site preparation for a bomber-sized airstrip on the island of Natuna at Natuna Bazar, which was north of Sumatra. At the Pacific Command, Admiral Felix Dump

40:31 began to fear that Sukarno might allow Soviet bombers to use the facility. Navy resistance suddenly melted away. Submarine shipments were expected to take three days, were quickly arranged. When the word of the armed shipments was sent to the American embassy in Jakarta, it embarrassed John Allison, who had continued to advocate accommodations with the Indonesian government of Sukarno.

41:01 Accounts differ on whether Allison asked for an immediate transport or was simply ordered out of the country. But John Foster sent Allison, a career diplomat, to Czechoslovakia because of his hesitation and not wanting to be involved in the overthrow of Sukarno. Allison had his moment while passing through Washington en route to Prague. He stopped for a debriefing at the CIA, where the intelligence officers listened carefully and very politely.

41:29 Afterward, as a senior CIA man conducted the ambassador to his car, the officer remarked, you should know that several of us here agree with your reports and recommendations from Chicago. I think you will be proved right in the end. Maintaining the secrecy of the operation became difficult as more and more people got involved. The CIA's plan was similar to the one they used in Guatemala because they like reusing the same plans over and over.

41:59 They plan to incorporate psychological operations into it, and it is not surprising that in another telephone conversation between the two brothers, the subject of the archipelago came up. In fact, the country was a topic of discussion at 14 of the 17 NSC meetings held between November 57 and March 58. Keeping discussions of it out of the NSC proved impossible.

42:27 In at least one instance, the NSD meeting on February 27th discussed at the council became a very thin line between what they were talking about in overt and covert operations. The notes on a phone call Foster made to Allen Dulles at 4.20 p.m. that afternoon are worth quoting. This is a quote from it.

42:53 The secretary said he does not know whether the talk this a.m. about the area should lead to greater activity. Allen said he is talking about it now. You reach a point where it is extremely difficult to do much more without showing your hand. The secretary thinks if it is going to work, we should take some risk in showing our hand. They agreed it is the last chance. The secretary mentioned buying stuff in the Philippines.

43:21 Allen said the question of delivery is difficult. We can get it in only the way we do it. Allen said that they were going to go ahead. We are ready to give them a bird as soon as they can eat it. We are pushing ahead as daringly as we can. It's a vigorous program and they are very happy with it and cooperate very well. The secretary just wanted him to know that he has the feeling.

43:48 We can't play it too safely here and we have to take some risks because it looks to him as if it's the best chance we have. Allen is glad to hear it, unquote. At any rate, the U.S. government's plausible deniability had evaporated. While Washington-schemed in Indonesia events moved extraordinarily fast towards a climax, the popular attention

44:14 On the colonel, Sukarno revived a territorial dispute with the Netherlands, which had lain dormant for six years over the part of New Guinea, which was called West Irian. Sukarno then left the archipelago to travel. When Sukarno was in Japan, the colonels came into the open by sending him an emissary who presented an ultimatum to dismiss his cabinet and turn away from guided democracy.

44:45 The group of colonels had listed an acceptable list of cabinet ministers that they wanted Sukarno to appoint. The Indonesian leader refused, and on February 15th, they proclaimed a rebel government composed of representatives of Sumatra, Celebras, and Java, though it had been little rebel support on the last island.

45:12 This move was a signal for Wisner, who loved to be at the scene of action, to leave Singapore and come command the operation. In Singapore, the CIA station chief had been augmented for the project. The Navy also quietly moved two destroyers so that they could intervene to save Americans in Indonesia. The complete list of assets at Singapore

45:42 Along with the full extent of British and Australia collaboration, because they were both in on this as well, another prime base for Archipelago was the Philippines. Navy submarines left Subic Bay with supplies to reinforce the efforts. And there was a huge CIA compound on Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines. The agency enlisted.

46:07 the services of 300 to 400 American, Filipino, and nationalist Chinese, i.e. Taiwan, to serve and fly a small fleet of transport aircraft modified by the Air Force for ground support missions. So they have a full-out Air Force made up of Taiwanese, Filipinos, and American mercenaries. Meanwhile, the Indonesia government had begun to take strong measures against the rebels. The chief of staff,

46:37 dismissed six of the rebel colonels, and more discharges were to follow. They declared a force that was necessary, and a week later, warships maneuvered off the coast to a stronghold of the Sumatran rebels. There were radio stations along the way that were bombed and strafed by the government of Indonesia. The radios were put out of action immediately.

47:06 which was a serious blow to the CIA's psychological warfare plans, John Foster Dulles made a concerted effort to prevent the American role in the rebellion from becoming public knowledge. In appearances before congressional testimony in March and the beginning of April, Dulles insisted that the U.S. was following a correct course in accordance with international law and that it was not intervening at all. At a press conference, he told reporters that the rebels

47:36 was an internal matter and that the U.S. would not allow arms on either side while supplying arms to the rebel. Ten million dollars worth. The second week of March, government troops reinforced by drops from paratroopers made landings on the Sumatra coast. There were attacks along the way.

48:07 Some rebel officers deserted, rebel units changed sides, and Frank Wisner agonized in Singapore. The CIA did what it could to stiffen the resistance. The original limitation of one agent team with the rebels was lifted. Two more had landed by submarines in April and May, but white faces were not enough. The rebels lacked morale. A guy by the name of Anthony

48:39 Sofini, P-O-S-H-E-P-N-Y, landed with one of the teams and had already seen fierce action in Tibet earlier and found the Indonesia fight quite tame, which is interesting because, remember, they trained the Tibetan stay-behind units in Colorado, and evidently they fought a lot more fiercer than the Indonesian guys.

49:07 Another CIA paramilitary advisor recounted a distressing episode that was all too typical. The rebels were sent to recover weapons from a scheduled airdrop, and the rebels marked the drop zone and knew the plane's timing of arrival, but still ran away at the first sound of the aircraft engines. That's hilarious. A major mistake in the Indonesian plan was its reliance upon a rebel movement that was not at all cohesive or unified.

49:36 The colonels were opposing central rule in Java, but one needed to go no further than their political program to realize that it was all for personal gain and no actual care for the country itself. The program envisioned a loose federation of regions along the archipelago, but just like in China with the warlords set up, it was very dicey.

50:06 The same separatists exploited by the CIA to create the operation to begin with could not function as an effective alliance. Difficulties were increased by the disbursement among the islands that precluded joint military operations. There were all kinds of different reasons why the rebels were even in the fight to begin with. So there was no cohesive unit.

50:34 behind any of this, which was very unlike what they had done, obviously, in Iraq or Iran in Guatemala, where you're dealing with, you know, one group of people, one culture of people. That's not the case in Indonesia at all. Another significant problem was simply the disparity in means of the rebel forces. Sukarno had a Navy, an Air Force, Marines, and paratroopers.

51:01 As former area commanders, the rebel colonels had their local forces, but nothing else. Except, of course, what the CIA provided. On April 8th, the Chicago Daily News printed a report detailing America airdrops into the rebels, triggering a flap in Washington. General Cabell was then to Pearl Harbor to prevent future leaks, but security was preserved only because the press did not pick up the Daily News story.

51:31 Because, of course, they didn't. They were paid not to. Still casting about for some means of strengthening the rebels, the Americans considered recognition of the rebels. Foster Dulles seemed to have favored this course, which was mentioned in one press conference and discussed with the president on April 15th. But Hugh Cummings' people assembled a paper that basically showed there was no way you could do that. Then came the battle of the rebels.

52:02 and at Padang and their eventual defeat. Allen Dulles gave his brother details in a lunchtime telephone conversation on April 17th. Foster remarked that the invasion had happened with far greater efficiency, speed, and precision than he had expected. Allen, who was not surprised at the defeat, warned, we have to be careful not to get too far out on a limb. A few days later, Allen Dulles told

52:30 his brother, he thought the defeat had surprised even the rebel leaders. When Foster brought up the possibility of recognizing the Sumatran state as a separatist state, you know, which they're famous for, like Katanga and Panama, Allen advised waiting. Sure enough, on April 28th, the word was that the east is boiling. The rebel capital of Sumatra.

53:01 fell on May 4th. With the end on Sumatra, the rebel capital was basically gone. The most conspicuous facet of the covert assistance to the rebels was the rebels' air force, because they had no way of getting one except for the CIA. The Indonesian air force remained loyal to the Sukarno government.

53:30 which made it very difficult to explain all these other airplanes flying around. The first rebel raid was made in late March. About a dozen more occurred later. Targets included several cities in Indonesia. To include bombing an oil port, a British tanker was hit along with an Indonesian gunboat.

53:57 On both occasions, the ships were attacked out on open water and not in port. The danger of the American exposure was very high. On March 23rd, there was another flap in Washington when a U.S. Navy plane, which may have been on a reconnaissance mission, was shot up by the Indonesian Air Force. Catastrophe was avoided when the aircraft managed to land on a friendly base and the pilot cooperated with the appropriate cover story.

54:27 Later in the campaign, two of the rebel B-26 bombers were shot down, while the government claimed to have destroyed six more on the ground during raids. Through its own intelligence, the Indonesian government learned a fair amount about the air operations and used this information to discredit all other resistance. Airdrops of weapons to the rebels were reported on several occasions, and the Australian Air Force was linked with the mission at least once.

54:55 The government accused American and Chinese, meaning Taiwan, of operating the rebel air force and later acknowledged it was sending a list to Washington identifying these individuals. In response, Eisenhower commented publicly for the first time. In his new news conference on April 30th, Eisenhower repeated the line that the U.S. was neutral in the struggle. Now, on the other hand, every...

55:23 rebellion that I've ever heard of has its own soldiers of fortune. You know, like the CIA. The president felt he had done so well with the press that he called up John Foster Dulles afterwards to brag about it. Eisenhower called his secretary of state to brag about how well he propagandized the American people by lying to them. John Foster Dulles.

55:55 followed up with the press the very next day, saying the U.S. had no legal obligation to control the activities of American soldiers of fortune, except for the fact that the CIA was actually in charge and paying them. The soldier of fortune argument turned out to be disastrous on May 18th, because actually there's U.S. Navy people in it. They weren't soldiers of fortune, by the way. The air pilots were.

56:26 On May 18th, one of the Rebel B-26 bomber raided Ambon, hitting a crowded village marketplace where people were on their way to church. The plane was hit over its intended target, an airfield, and the right wing caught on fire. The crew bailed out and were captured by the Indonesians. The bombardier was Indonesian, but the pilot was an American, Alan Lawrence Pope. Within a day, Washington knew Pope had been captured.

56:55 as Cabell confirmed for Foster Dulles, but CIA had a lot of confidence in the man. Hope had flown in Korea for this civil air transport, including 57 missions to Dinbinfu. He had been recruited for the Indonesian operation in Saigon. His first Indonesian mission took place in March 1958. It was at this point on May 20th

57:22 that John Foster stood before the press to say the Indonesian rebellion should be resolved without intrusion, as he intruded. With the Americans, what the Americans did not know was that Sukarno could prove that Pope had an official relationship with the CIA. The CIA was certain that Pope could stand up to torture. The B-26 planes had been sanitized to prevent being linked to the CIA.

57:52 and the pilots had undergone strip searches before each mission to ensure they had no criminating evidence on them. But Pope concealed his papers on the aircraft. The Indonesians captured Air Force and Civil Air Transport identification cards, Pope's contract for the operation, plus a post-exchange privilege card from Clark Air Force Base.

58:20 The papers in Pope were displayed for the world press in Jakarta on May 27th. Both the U.S. president and the secretary of state had been caught openly lying to the American people. And I know my buddy Absolute 1776 used to love Eisenhower. And I hope he's listening because I love him. Anyway.

58:50 This was the end for the archipelago. An officer that heard Alan Dulles explicitly use the phrase, we must disengage as the director of intelligence ordered a stand down for CIA field forces. Some of the paramilitary advisor teams had to make arduous jungle treks to coastal areas where they would be taken out by submarine. One British sub was even sighted and attacked.

59:19 by the Indonesian government. The rebels' revolt was crushed, and by June 26, the government forces had won. The final result of the rebellion was to strengthen the hand of the central government on Java. In the words of historian Brian May, the American intervention was a gift to Soekarno. The archipelago catastrophe strained relations with the British, the Australians,

59:49 and the U.S., but no one at the CIA was even concerned. The CIA man who had made the original contact with the colonels was given his choice of a new post and took London. So he was promoted. A prime undercover agent went on to Algeria. Even Alan Pope, who was tried in December 1959 and sentenced to life in prison, would fly again for the CIA.

1:00:18 The disaster did finally sap the strength of Frank Wisner. The chief went to London as the station chief to be replaced in Washington by Richard Bissell. Al Umer went to Paris as station chief. His place at the Far East Division was taken by Desmond Fitzgerald. And we're going to stop there. That's a logical place to stop.

1:00:45 We've got just a little bit left of that chapter and then we'll hit the next chapter on Monday. So rack up a failure. One of many, actually. But understanding what the goal of this was, they had to wait like another 10 years to pull this off. But they eventually did pull it off. And the companies.

1:01:13 Standard Oil and the mining companies that eventually get in there and steal the gold and oil. So they have endless supply of money and an endless supply of bodies that they don't give a shit about. So they won't give up when they're given a mission. And the mission, because again, they have endless supply of bodies and money will eventually happen.

1:01:45 So, what else we got? They didn't mention the gold. Huh? The ships of gold that were rerouted after Kennedy was shot. Johnson rerouted the ships of gold and silver. We're not in the 60s yet. We're still in the 50s. Damn it. Okay. You're jumping ahead. Well, I can't help it because out of everything, that's really kind of huge.

1:02:17 Yeah, but that doesn't happen. They don't start mining the goal until after they secure Suharta's placement and the overthrow of Sukarno. I'll tell you what blew my mind out of this, Colonel. The way you presented it, it sounded exactly as though Alan Dulles figured he owned the Navy. Yeah. Well, keep in mind, the civilian...

1:02:50 head of each of the military branches are picked by the same international syndicate that selects the president, which selects the secretary of state. You know what I mean? And what's interesting about that 5412 memo is what it does is technically, not that this is always true, but technically

1:03:18 It is the military, the U.S. Air Force, the Navy, Marines and Army. They have to provide support to the CIA. They are not supposed to ever be part of the firepower package, but they have to provide logistical support. So all of those Marine comings and goings of picking people up and dropping people off, that's all Navy. That's not like CIA's own fleet of submarines.

1:03:46 They rely on the Navy and the Air Force to get them where they're going and to pick them up in times of crisis, which in many cases has meant dead military bodies, even supposedly because the military is not ever allowed to be operational. But they get themselves into these jams. And the only way to get out is by calling in air support, not air support, but air rescue.

1:04:12 And it is those times when the military ends up dying for a CIA operation gone bad. So, yes, you're right. They have a lock on military support. And that's the whole thing with the SF guys, the Green Berets, the Deltas and all those guys. So they end up in training bases. And let's just say that they were using Singapore as a training base or.

1:04:41 Hong Kong or whatever in that area, even the Philippines, because we know they had a large CIA facility on Clark Air Base. So they would have the Delta SF guys training the assassins and the paramilitary people to go on those missions. And there has been people that have told me that.

1:05:09 they accompanied the people that they trained on those missions. So that's absolutely not supposed to happen by law, but they are supposed to support them. Carrie? Hi, Colonel. Hi. I was listening a couple days ago to a documentary on YouTube, and I posted it in the pill. I can't pronounce his first name.

1:05:45 H-J-A-L-M-A-R, Schacht, the banker who shaped Hitler's power. So, the reason I'm bringing it up is because they mention, after he got acquitted at Nuremberg, that he went on down to Indonesia and helped those fellers out. He did. He did.

1:06:10 He went to Greece. He went everywhere. And he just so happened to be a lot of places where there were CIA coups going on. Just saying. Oh, I thought I uncovered something maybe you didn't know. No, I've read his book. But of course, you know everything. I don't know everything, but he had a book. His book, you can't, I couldn't find his book to physically buy it, but I read his book online. And he drug his family around with him as a cover.

1:06:40 To say basically he was like retired. But his wife and kids went everywhere with him. And that was one of the books that I lost when they deleted the account on archive.org. Yeah, he's a very interesting guy. But I think most of his book is a lie in a cover story way. Because there's lots of other books that implicate him as actually like the liaison.

1:07:10 of all of the Western money into Hitler, where he kind of kept his... The story we got sold after World War II is that basically Hitler didn't like him and that he was jailed and all of this other crap. But as it turns out, likely most of all of that was a cover because he was the Western conduit into...

1:07:38 the money being piped into Hitler and many of the businesses for different reasons in Nazi Germany. So, yeah. Yeah, I think there was something about in this documentary that the Bushes didn't want the U.S. to be a part of World War II, which I was really confused about.

1:08:07 What was the date that he was in? Do you know the date he was in Indonesia? They didn't say that. Yeah, I don't have it off the top of my head. No, that's why I like having books because I write those notes down. SR-71. Was it 50s or 60s? I don't know, Carrie. That's what I'm telling you. I don't have that book. Sorry, I just wanted to know. SR-71, go ahead. The other thing that got me is Alan Pope.

1:08:39 is another curious character. Why Socorro released him, I don't quite understand. Because he was sentenced to death and Socorro turned him loose. Pope comes back to the States and does everything and anything he wants to for the CIA thereafter. He still flew operational flights and everything else for the CIA.

1:09:07 as to why they let him go. Because these people are naive. They may be a president of a country, but they're naive. And a lot of them believed that the releasing of an American that was sentenced to death would buy them goodwill. Makes sense. Yeah, they're dead ass wrong because the syndicate don't give a shit about any of us.

1:09:35 Another dead body would have not even caused them to blink an eye. But most of these people who have a heart actually believe that there's somebody in American government that also has a heart, but they're dead wrong. And that by doing something like that, which is a merciful, you know, because the guy was basically attacking their country and should have been sentenced to death.

1:10:03 for overthrowing their government. And yeah, they think that doing a good deed will buy them some goodwill from a government that absolutely hates them. And again, at this point, Sukarno has no idea about all of the oil and the gold that they're after because those were all discovered on a secret geological

1:10:35 trip and kept under lock and key. So all along. Hi. Yeah. Regarding that last point about, you know, why some people would do something, you know, given what we now know about the international syndicate and history of CA, I think it's important to remember, you know, what year these events happened.

1:11:08 And in my opinion, how early or how late these events happen are very significant. If we're trying to evaluate, you know, how much, say, the Indonesian government or Indonesian intelligence or even domestic parts of our own government knew at the time of, you know, the international syndicates activities and what the CIA was doing inside our own government.

1:11:37 It's when, in my opinion, really matters. The other point I wanted to make is, or I guess maybe question, relating to this guy, Ulmer, U-L-M-E-R, that you, I think, mentioned earlier. He is kind of a pretty interesting guy. And as far as what I know about him, I haven't like triple checked this or anything, but in the book, Family of Secrets by Russ Baker.

1:12:08 which I very, very strongly recommend to everyone. I'm not the biggest fan of, you know, Russ Baker's journalism career more recently, but I think that's a whole other kettle of fish that relates to what journalists are allowed to write about right now. But his book, I would say, is truly outstanding and a must read because when it goes, it looks at the Bush family, especially in this pivotal.

1:12:36 all-important 1920s period where kind of overlapping with what you and Warhamster were discussing your amazing program again today, which I urge everyone to hear the three episodes of Skull and Bones where it's just full work, truly amazing stuff. But so anyway, in that book, Russ Baker quotes Barb, little old Barb, Barbara Bush.

1:13:05 as saying as her kind of like where she was on Dallas on November 22nd 1963 and she's basically she's kind of at a hairdresser's salon where she's writing a letter to Ulmer's wife I believe and talking about how what they were doing together in Greece in 1950 so

1:13:37 Again, that suggests that, you know, again, I wouldn't totally trust this based on this one reference, but it's interesting that she says that about herself, her husband, H.W. Bush, and being in Greece in 1950, which was a very interesting place to be in 1950. But definitely, I think that would require further corroboration from other sources. And again, it's significant that...

1:14:06 This is in the context of a possible alibi written by Barbara Bush for November 22nd, 1963, right? But even if it is an alibi, it still is making some interesting statements about the Olmers and the Bush family in Greece in 1950. But anyway, for what it's worth, Greece is a very, very important point in 1950. Yeah, because it was in the middle of its own coup.

1:14:38 The British had just been there supporting what ends up being the bad guys. And it also places Bush in the CIA, associating with CIA people much earlier than most people had before thought possible. And since you brought it up, Ulmer is a very interesting guy. He is a Princeton grad.

1:15:08 Basically fits the paradigm of those going in the OSS. He joined the Navy, but ends up in the OSS. He also, after the OSS is disbanded, he joins the CIA and he goes to Turkey, Egypt, Italy and Austria. And of course, we know Turkey.

1:15:37 And Italy and Austria during the time that he would have been there in the late 40s and early 50s were all part of Operation Gladio. And then, of course, we just mentioned his excursion over into Greece as well. So very, very interesting. It also said that he spent some time in the Balkans and Hungary and Yugoslavia.

1:16:05 which, again, is very interesting because they all ended up with stay-behind units, too. So very, very interesting. Miles, go ahead. Well, hello, Colonel. Hope you're staying warm. I remember my dad said one of the coldest he's ever been is working at Cape Canaveral in the winter. So, yeah, we ended our show today. Pardon me?

1:16:37 Your dad's a joker. Well, he was outside. He wasn't working inside. I've been in 60 below degrees in Illinois. There's nothing in Florida that compares. But anyway, go ahead. Well, I know. I live in Minneapolis, so I don't know. He was joking. But yeah, we ended our show today with we didn't start the fire.

1:17:06 It's kind of interesting that that song's been around for so long. And now we look at it completely different, don't we? So did you see the video that I reposted? We started the podcast. 1776. Say again. Did you see the video that I posted that 1776, absolute 1776 made of that song? I know who you're speaking of. I'll have to go watch that again. There's so much stuff that's coming out.

1:17:38 so many people are doing stuff. Yeah. He put it, he did this two years ago. It was one of the very first videos I ever saw that he made. And I remember commenting on it, but he sent it to me yesterday after I posted that song as a reminder that he had done it. Cause he's a professional video guy. He used to work in Hollywood. He, his talent is unsurpassed. And I, I, I,

1:18:08 Since yesterday, I've watched it five times. And I know because he's now become a very good friend of mine that I can actually say this to him. Because what I started noticing and my husband said last night, like, is that in actual order? The song. The song actually brings you through all of the Operation Gladio shit.

1:18:38 I started again. I've listened to it since then five times and I keep pausing it about what it is that he's saying. And what I noticed that Absolute did was when it talks about the China's martial law, they're not talking about mainland China. They're talking about Taiwan. And because that's a mistake we would all make. Right.

1:19:06 because they use those interchangeably to screw us up. And so his video has the tanks in Tiananmen Square of the person standing in front of the tank. And I told him, I texted him earlier today and I said, you know, I think I've got an error. I said the martial law was what Chiang Kai-shek implemented and the timing in the song.

1:19:34 indicates to me it is Taiwan, Chiang Kai-shek, not mainland China. And of course, he took it in a spirit in which it was meant. But his comment to me was, isn't it weird that he not only portrayed them chronologically in order in that song, but he made them all rhyme. It's just phenomenal. Did Billy Joel write the song? Yes.

1:20:05 Oh, okay. I wasn't familiar. According to him. According to Abs. And Abs has actually met him several times, though. Oh, okay. Well, I'm getting more people on board with Greenland Server Farms. I'm glad you've been talking about it. CanCon keeps bringing it up. As I told him. Well, okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. But, you know, we'll find out. We'll find out a lot of stuff pretty soon. Yeah. Moneypenny, go ahead.

1:20:36 Hi there. So after yesterday, I was really intrigued. I think I mentioned the Spycatcher book briefly. And you started off today particularly talking about the Egyptian President Nasser.

1:20:52 And this is about 1956 with the Suez Crisis. Now, as I was speaking with ChatGPT, because obviously I was feeding your questions to your guest into ChatGPT to get answers, it came up with some really interesting stuff that it said the reason that legal action was taken by the British to stop the spycatcher book being published.

1:21:16 even though the Americans were quite happy for it to be published, was all about the assassination plot to take out Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser and everything that happened around it and the tension between basically it was England and France and then there was the United States and then you've got Israel. And this is the question that I'm coming to.

1:21:39 that were in different allied sort of partnerships to what they are today by quite a long way, that this book and the tension and the assassination plot and the Suez Canal whole crisis in 56 may, in my thoughts so far, and this is where I want answers, may be responsible for the whole of the situation around Israel, Gaza and everything we are currently struggling with and this bizarre...

1:22:05 betrothed and committal of the United States to Israel, which nobody understands, just nobody, even though it infiltrates pervasively through every dollar and every leverage and every Rockefeller and every Rubinstein and everything. Did it all start about 56 when this assassination plot was taking place? And is that why the British were trying to block?

1:22:32 Spycatcher, because if I just read you one paragraph, right, to explain, I asked specifically what specifically was in Spycatcher that maybe never got out into the media, that was blocked in court, that was agreed out of court by the Americans and the British that they would not allow to be put into general knowledge.

1:22:58 Because that's what I wanted to know. Because I just thought, what was so explosive in that book? And surely it had been in the papers. So this is what it said.

1:23:07 The alleged MI6 plot to assassinate Egyptian president blah blah blah was a subject of intrigue and speculation. While Spycatcher, the memoir by former MI5 officer Peter Wright, mentions the existence of a plot, it doesn't provide detailed information. Most people thought it would be poisoning via medical channels, although the CIA believed that NASA's inner circle may have been infiltrated by a Russian and a British journalist, James Mossman, who was covertly working with MI6.

1:23:36 was reportedly tasked with delivering £20,000 worth intended to bribe NASA's personal physician to carry out a poisoning under the radar.

1:23:47 And it says when the CIA found out about this, they said they couldn't condone it, but wouldn't stop it. And then when Anthony Eden, British prime minister at the time, said that he really needed NASA out and tried to challenge it, a retired CIA operative with direct knowledge of the period recalled that the agency was aware of British discussions about eliminating NASA, but noted that the plans were so fraught with misinterpretations and lacked precise directives.

1:24:17 that the United States would not step in. And all of this basically led to the Suez crisis. And then, bizarrely, Nasser's son appears. I didn't realise this, or grandson. Do you know about this? His son or grandson appears in this, like, senior position, which would never have happened if he'd have been killed because he wouldn't have had this son. It's like time travel. But did it cause everything that happened subsequently with Israel?

1:24:44 I'd love to get people's opinion, you know, more about it than me. Because Britain, France and Israel were together on this. Britain, France and Israel at the time were pretty much, and Israel at that time had pretty good relations with everybody and the Suez Canal was a big momentous change in all of that. Well, that's probably an entire show worth of conversation because there's a lot.

1:25:13 um involved in that um so um okay simply did the cia know what the british were planning to do to nasa nasa being the egyptian thing not the space thing and why and what the ramifications would be of it so the cia um in at least two books that i've read absolutely knew um because they wanted to help um they didn't the u.s didn't want an author

1:25:44 in it either, right? So they ultimately do their own, not unlike Iran. But they're kind of at this point, I'm going to say something that's probably, it's an opinion of mine based on all of I've done. While there's some, what's the right word?

1:26:16 Not chivalry, but there's some one-upsmen among MI6. I think the relationship of the intelligence agencies, if I could use an analogy, would be MI6 is the dad and all of the rest of the post-World War II intelligence agencies are sons. And sometimes the son tries to outdo the dad.

1:26:46 And sometimes the sons among themselves have a competition. But at the end of the day, there's always been a begrudging respect for MI6 as the elder in the relationship. That doesn't mean that they don't do shenanigans against the dad, much like a son would as well.

1:27:15 But if I could use that as an analogy, they're never actually on opposite sides of a coin. They're always on the same side. They have different competitive reasons for wanting to go about things different ways. But just as we saw in Iran, they always come and bail the other one out, right?

1:27:45 In that case, the British failed to overthrow Mossadegh when they tried a couple of times. The U.S. stepped in and did it for them because there was ultimately when the U.S. stepped in and helped, Standard Oil got a cut of the profits at that point, which they would not have had the CIA not done it. And that's another reason why you know unequivocally that the.

1:28:12 CIA does not work for the United States because the cut of the profit of the CIA going in and overthrowing Mosaddegh didn't go to the United States taxpayer into the Treasury. It went to Standard Oil because that's who they actually work for. So in the case of Egypt, you know that.

1:28:38 Adam Skorzeny took a mission for Mossad to get rid of the Nazi scientists that had been placed in Egypt that was trying to get them parity with Israel and their support from France, the U.S. and London on armaments against their Middle East competitors. So Egypt felt like they needed help. And there were actually Nazi scientists in Egypt.

1:29:08 helping them develop their technology militarily. And Otto Skorzeny, being a Nazi as well, was hired by Israel to go into Egypt and get rid of those scientists. So the adage that there's no honor among thieves is very, very true. He worked for whoever to do whatever. He wasn't loyal to...

1:29:36 any one government. He was basically like a pirate. He was hired to do a job and he went and did the job. So it would be hard to pinpoint when, but you can go back because prior to this period of time,

1:30:01 No one in America during the actual beginnings of the state of Israel was interested in providing Israel military aid at all. Not that they didn't care about, you know, the thought of there being an Israel or all that other stuff that the U.S. just was not having any of that.

1:30:25 as far as it being their responsibility to ensure that that was a success. They saw that exclusively prior to this time as a mission that had been given to the Brits and that the Brits were responsible for it. And I read a couple of different things a while back about the fact that there was a lot of disgruntled Americans because of them being given the mission in the League of Nations.

1:30:54 And then, you know, basically having to come back and reiterate at the end of World War Two when nothing had been set up that, you know, hey, we got to go back and actually do something. Because a lot of people originally thought that Jordan was going to be the land because that was trans Jordan at the time was going to be the land for the Palestinians. And then that Egypt was going or that Palestine was going to be the land where.

1:31:24 The Rothschild State of Israel got set up and they ended up with Jordan like their own country and having nothing to do with the Palestinians that were being displaced. And, you know, we all know the rest of the story, but that that's crazy.

1:31:47 Can we do a show at some point on the whole Israel penetration pervasively of the United States and going forward into today as to how that leveraged relationship between the two of them was created initially? Because I'd be fascinated on that. I'll talk to you about that offline. It's not a mystery. People wonder why Israel has so much leverage inside the United States.

1:32:15 primary hypothesis that i've read that's been postulated is interference inside um the political arena using force okay new american hold on a second we've got hands up and we kind of go by hand so hold on just a second all right bridget go ahead i just wanted to let everybody know i set the uh song that you were talking about and the link to that song up in the megacron okay because i noticed the peel's not working again today

1:32:45 It is on my side, but that doesn't necessarily mean much. Yeah, it's not working at all. All along, go ahead. Hi, Fertile. Relating to this absolutely pivotal point that the earlier speaker brought up, relating to the role of Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia in the Suez Crisis of 1956, I agree, it's worth a lot of analysis. And one of the things that I think,

1:33:19 is sometimes not brought into play here, is the U.S. attitude towards Egypt and Saudi Arabia and also U.S. oil companies' attitude towards Egypt and how that in turn changed following this U.S. crisis and put perhaps Israel in a different strategic position.

1:33:49 and perhaps resolve some of the conflict that you suggest, and I think correctly from what I understand, about the division about, you know, should the U.S. really be that pro-Israel? As you said, it was considered more of a British thing and potentially a serious liability, and it was within parts of the State Department. So I think that the fundamental thing that is really brought up is how U.S. oil interests.

1:34:20 In particular, our Ramco Rockefellers in Saudi Arabia perceived Egypt, right? Because they're a very populated country, right? And NASA's whole shtick was Pan-Arabism, right? And guess what? Egypt did not have a lot of oil, right? It was poor as fuck. And Saudi Arabia is just the opposite. So the whole idea of Pan-Arabism, again, emphasizing what we know that these...

1:34:49 Boundaries were drawn by outsiders. They were not drawn by Arabs, right? Was perceived as a threat to U.S. oil interest in Saudi Arabia. You know, the biggest oil producer in the world were all four of the original Arab Aramco oil companies that made up Aramco when they united as Aramco were originally Rockefeller oil companies, right?

1:35:19 In that regard, the CIA definitely saw Nasser as threat number one in the region, with his idea of pan-Arabism. And so what we see in 1956 is kind of, it can be useful in many ways, because the U.S. doesn't want to seem like they're another England and France, right? And so by saying to England and France, no.

1:35:52 Eisenhower turning that down, that can look good. But another part of that might be just who, yes, we want to get rid of Nassar, and maybe Britain does too, but on whose terms and on how is that going to affect the international oil markets in terms of U.S.? Because the U.S. had a dominant position in Saudi Arabia. What happened to him? I think we lost him. I think the important part... Hello? Are you there?

1:36:27 Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. I think I get cut off accidentally. But later on, Saudi Arabia gets friendlier with Israel. And it's like they can now, now that Nasser has been eliminated, he is no longer the threat. And there can be a greater confluence of interest between Saudi policy, CIA Saudi policy and CIA Israel policy. That is not possible before they got rid of Nasser on their terms.

1:36:56 And by the way, JFK is intimately connected to this because he differed very strongly on Nasser from CIA. Yeah. And so I think the important part of this whole thing is the Suez Canal. If you look at the trillions of dollars worth of the the British. So and this actually.

1:37:19 kind of connects with what we're seeing in Syria right now. So you remember when we were talking about Syria and the fact that Assad went to meet with the queen and basically they wanted that pipeline through Syria. And Assad was fine with the pipeline. He wasn't fine with occupation forces. So he has watched over the decades.

1:37:46 of what happens in countries in the Arabian Peninsula that comes with occupation forces. They lose their sovereignty. And that's what happened in Egypt when the Suez Canal was basically the occupation force of the British soldiers. And when Nasser said, hey, you know, we've got it. We can protect the Suez Canal. We've got a decent military. We don't need you in our country anymore. The Brits didn't want to leave.

1:38:14 they finally get told they're going to leave. And from that point on, there was a, you know, a red X on Nasser because you're not allowed to tell him to leave. Now, you've got Assad sitting over here and he's watching all of this. You've got the Morocco king that's basically under the thumb of the Brits. You've got the Jordanian king that's under the thumb. And then you've got the Saudis that are in bed with the Americans and there's forces all over Saudi.

1:38:43 And the same thing with Iraq and then, you know, what we were doing with Iran and with the Shah back in the day. They're like, yeah, no, I don't want all of those foreign forces. So I'll let you build that pipeline, but you're not going to have any of your military protecting it in my country. I can protect stuff in my country. And I think that's kind of where all of this ends up being.

1:39:13 history that's still relevant today, because you can see that Nasser was correct in saying that if you allow the West to occupy your territory, you lose your sovereignty, and you do, because they will plot and manipulate and infiltrate your services, just like you were alluding with, whether it's the

1:39:37 the physician that's going to be on the take and poison them or whatever. And they do that everywhere so they can control shit. And so Assad was one of the last guys standing that said, your military is not going to come in my country and you're not going to create an occupation force that you will use to overtake my country. And of course, you know, they had him hit sights on him from that point forward. Carrie, go ahead.

1:40:08 Hey, Colonel, I just wanted to say that I looked it up and he was there in 51. Also, he met with Mosaday, 52. And he kind of, it looks like he kind of established Bahamas. He had a bank. I'm talking about Schacht. How do you say it? Schacht? Schacht. What? It's like, uh, plaque?

1:40:38 is the way I've heard people pronounce it. S-C-H-A-C-H-T is what? Oh, God. Okay. Thanks, guys. Sorry. Yeah, he seems to have been a precursor to bad things, like he would go to a country and curse it. Where'd that other guy go? American? It's kind of like the Zelinsky. Yeah, kind of like that.

1:41:11 All along? I saw he dropped out. Okay. Yeah, Colonel, just on Hallmark's block, he is definitely a key figure in the absolutely amazing book called Who in Dallas by Hank Albarelli, which is kind of a choppy book that Hank Albarelli died, and it was completed by three of his co-authors. But it's, I actually read it twice because it's kind of choppy, but...

1:41:39 It really is so relevant to everything that we've been talking about here. Yeah, I've read it. The post-World War II, yeah. And so Schlock is definitely a key figure in that book and connects with the love shenanigans. The other thing I just want to reiterate that Egypt and Saudi Arabia was not, it was about geography, but it was also about just blatantly who the hell is getting the oil money and how it would be divided.

1:42:06 Whether it would be pan-Arabist, like all the Arab countries share in that, or just Saudi Arabia and the Rockefellers. That's a huge variable. Yeah. And, you know, it goes back to the old adage about the whole... All of these empires were based on maritime. And the discovery of these things, which is, you know, kind of how they...

1:42:35 one-ups to each other. You know, I've got this territory over here. I've got this territory over here. And then they would squabble among themselves like the Spanish-American War. The peasantry didn't fare any better under one than they did the other because we saw what we did in the Philippines. We saw what we did in Cuba. We saw what we did in Puerto Rico. The people were never actually given their freedom.

1:43:02 It's kind of just a very interesting changing of the guard without a lot of substantive changes at the end of the day for the people involved. So anyway. All right. Anybody else? Second. All right. Well, we're going to call it a day. You guys have a great weekend and we will be back on Monday.

1:43:37 same place same time and don't forget everybody next friday we are going to have another major space with paul williams which we're so excited about last one was awesome i just listened to it for the second time today yesterday i didn't really listen to it that well yeah and we didn't um uh talk too much about that today which i kind of am surprised about um he had lots of um

1:44:07 like revelations as far as I'm concerned. I had no idea he had worked with the, uh, FBI and, um, all of his different life's adventures. Um, and, um, I wrote, I had my notebook with me today. Okay. I got to read, listen, start taking notes. So, and you know, um,

1:44:32 I don't know. I'm sure you caught it, Bridget. I don't know if everybody would have caught it. But I did like the way he when I asked him specifically about the his impression of the use, because, you know, I think he's given this talk so many times about his research that.

1:45:00 when he got to the part about Italy and the Communist Party and the threat, and when I mentioned to him that I wasn't at all convinced that that was actually an accurate depiction, that while I believed it initially, the rest of my research made me circle back to that point and do a little bit more.

1:45:28 diving in and that's when you find that the fact that the soviet union was decimated and they're they're not going to overtake europe um they're not going to overtake europe for you know unless it's a nuclear threat type thing and then of course as he points out we sold the technology to him um blah blah blah or snuck it to him whatever um but i don't know if you caught it when he said yeah i've had to revisit that the last couple of years

1:45:58 Absolutely. And that was so great. And it was, like I said, there was a lot more that I caught the second time. Because the first time I'm trying to, you know, bounce back and forth between Rumble and the chat on both sides and was fighting head cold. But the nice, the neat thing was when you started asking him questions, informed questions and interacting with, well, okay, I like this, but this is what I saw.

1:46:24 And these are other things that I saw. All of a sudden, it was like he broke out of that pre-planned speech. Yes. And he was enjoying himself. He was actually having fun, you know? Yes. And I do think, just as I do, like when I talk to you guys.

1:46:49 I'm genuinely enthralled with other people's knowledge about whatever the subject is that they're knowledgeable about and being able to talk to other people about something, obviously, that he has been passionately involved in, because that's not something that, you know, you can talk to your neighbor about because your neighbor's not going to have that same passion or understanding about that topic. So when you do find those people, you,

1:47:19 You very much enjoy not just checking out because I've got some theories about some aspects of this that someone like a Paul Williams can be a sounding board. And because he knows more about most of the topics than I do, could point to scholarly.

1:47:47 limitations or things you may want to flush out a little bit more about a hypothesis of why things are happening the way they, or if these two things are related or whatever. But finding those people is very difficult. Once you've gotten to the place where we're all, I mean, and I know you guys haven't read all of the books, but

1:48:14 most of you are very up to date on different aspects of this. And so having those people, and again, that's the reason why I wanted to move it to X so that we can have these interactions with each other, because you guys live all over the world in many cases, and you have experienced things from a completely different angle. You read different news. And so I think collectively, it just makes us all a whole lot smarter. SR71.

1:48:46 Thank you, Colonel. First of all, I want to say thank you, everybody, for attending, because we know the Colonel's on her way shortly. But one of the things with Paul Williams that I found, when you get people together like you and Paul, magic happens. That said, I wanted to ask him the question, and unfortunately I won't be available Friday to do it, but he went through...

1:49:17 many, many interviews and spent a lot of shoe leather tracking down a whole bunch of stuff. And one of the questions I wanted to ask him is how many people flat out refused to talk to him? That's a good question. Yeah. He said Marcinkus shut the door in his face. That's a good question. That was hysterical. Oh, my God. Right? Yeah. That's a good question because...

1:49:52 I think you'd have to take that with the, I don't, you guys have not, I don't know how many of you've read any of Doug Valentine's stuff, but he was given unprecedented access to CIA agents while they were still CIA agents. And even some of those and some of the ones that were retired would not talk to him.

1:50:20 Enough of them would for him to be able to, you know, obviously write his Phoenix program book and several others about the CIA. And so I should ask him if he's read any of Doug Valentine's books. That's a good point, SR71. And to find out what his professional take is on people that are given access, because I have some suspicions about that. That's a very good point.

1:50:50 Carrie? Yeah, I just wanted to reflect on that too. It's taking me time to digest a lot of it. It was very rich. But yeah, I was, when he was saying some things that were wrong, I was like, oh my God, is Colonel going to correct him? Oh my God, oh my God. And you came through like, so amazing. Great, great, great job.

1:51:18 So hard, I'm sure. And the other thing I wanted to know about him was, how do you think it's possible? Like he was saying he was published through Doubleday. How do you think that's possible? A lot of that happened before he published Operation Gladio. He was making that point about the fact that he used to be on Fox News and CNN and all that other stuff. Once he published Operation Gladio, a lot of that stopped.

1:51:45 He couldn't teach at Catholic schools anymore because he outed the Vatican Bank. But who published it? Was it Doubleday? I don't know. I'll look. What did I just do with it? I had it right here. Where the hell is it? It was sitting right here. I don't know. I'll look. What the hell? You have a lot of books. Well, I have the books I haven't read.

1:52:23 Let's see. There's five, 10, 12 sitting right here on my desk. But I brought in from my cottage to do the show yesterday, Cynthia Chung's book and his book. So I had them handy. I just had it in my freaking hand. I'm losing my mind. Maverick.

1:52:49 Maverick, where are you? The only time the dogs are allowed in this room is to be put in their cage at night in bed. So, yeah, it's not Maverick. It's me. It's all me. I'd like to blame Maverick, but I can't. How? I don't know. I'm losing my mind. There's Cynthia's book. So where's that book? What are you looking for? Paul Williams' book. Who published it?

1:53:19 Prometheus, I think. I bought y'all ones, right? Or did y'all buy them? I bought it. Yes, Prometheus. Okay. There you go. So, again, not a mainstream publisher because he kind of pissed them. And I think, honestly, a lot of them, if the CIA tells them not to publish something, they're not going to publish it because they're all in bed together.

1:53:54 That's the answer for all of you people that think that I need to write a book. I'm not writing a book because I'm not fighting with those bastards to get it published. And I'm not self-publishing. They don't pay me. Tucker Carlson is publishing books now. Just saying. He's also interviewing Felix Rodriguez. Maybe Trump will come out with a new publishing company. We're entering into a totally new phase. I believe this is.

1:54:24 has the ability to be a time we've never seen before. I agree. Books are kind of old tech, guys. Sorry. All right. Don't bend a knee. That's a new one. Hey, Colonel. Thank you for letting me come up. And you may have already spoke on this. And if you did, I apologize because I never get to hear your whole space. I usually go back and listen to recordings.

1:54:53 Speaking of Tucker Carlson, that was one of my questions. Did you watch the video of that CIA propagandist that he had on there? And what did you think of that video? Which CIA propagandist? I can't remember the name. He was a former CIA agent.

1:55:13 basically poo-pooing everything that we believe and saying, no, that would not happen in the CIA that he worked in. They wouldn't do anything nefarious. I have not watched, I saw a preview of one more recent. I watched the Felix Rodriguez and I watched the woman that had been the CIA agent. But those are the only, Felix Rodriguez was the CIA too.

1:55:39 I've not watched the most recent one because I think he's had another one on since The Woman. So he first had Felix Rodriguez on, which was an actual Cuban exile assassin. And then they had The Woman on. And she actually was probably the most honest of any of them. There was a couple of things I questioned, but she was definitely the most honest. And then the most recent one, I just saw the preview, but I have not watched it. I had it bookmarked.

1:56:08 What was your opinion? Oh, I thought he was just propagandaizing for the CIA. He would say no harm. Everything that Tucker brought up, he just kind of pushed it aside as a conspiracy theory and not the CIA that he grew up in.

1:56:33 That would seem to be his pat answer. Well, that's very interesting. I need to know, I need to make sure that this, Cousin It, I saw you raised your hand. Do you know who it is? Yeah, actually, I texted it to y'all a couple days ago, and I watched it, and he is absolutely full of crap. It was really...

1:57:00 kind of funny, too, because he never came out with exactly a straight answer. It was always the obfuscating and the running around and he doesn't know and that wasn't in his wheelhouse. But it's funny because, of course, he was in all of the stations that have right now blown up all over the world. So, you know, of course he knew.

1:57:27 One of the very telling things too, which I just had to kind of chuckle because we all know this, is that he was at all the embassies, stationed at the embassies. So, you know, obviously they're still doing it. They're not just putting them in as teachers or professors or, you know, art students or whatever the hell, you know, they are still actively infiltrating the embassies and working out of those.

1:57:58 So I did find that interesting. But yes, I did send it. And unfortunately, I think it was like Brandon something, maybe. I can't remember off the top of my head. I'll go find him. And I guess I'll have to do one of my, like I did the Felix Rodriguez one. Bernard Hudson. Bernard Hudson. And I'll stick the link in Signal. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I knew I posted it.

1:58:27 somewhere i just couldn't remember see i was pretty close bernard you know all right tomato tomato um uh benjamin i don't know if it's me coming in broken up or if it was you colonel i did hear my name though um i i apologize i wish i could be here more often for your spaces at four but that's right in the middle of uh me picking up my circus the twins and everything but uh you know

1:58:59 One thing that I thought was very interesting about today's time is we're trying to figure out who the bad actors are, who are the innocent people, bystanders caught in the middle of it. Because when I look at Twitter and all of what's going on, it's kind of like the phone game. It's a bunch of people passing messages and things like that.

1:59:22 To show that you're making an impact, Colonel, I saw the comments from the Sean Ryan show. One of his producers reached out to you, you know, and he was worried about your followers and what they believed and stuff. And that's why I brought up that, you know, we're trying to figure out who the bad actors are. Like with Sean Ryan, I consider him someone that I'm still trying to analyze and figure out. But that female CIA agent, like that's one that got me.

1:59:50 It spun me up, and here's the reason why. Because all the stuff that Colonel and all you ladies have uncovered about the operations that the CIA has ran since World War II at a minimum, this lady gets out there and starts telling people, like, the CIA is trustworthy. We don't do things like that. And it's like, no. Just that simple fact alone tells me that, you know.

2:00:13 You're not one of the good guys because it's like we need transparency. Like, hey, yeah, we did a lot of bad stuff. It wasn't me. You know, like we're trying to figure it out. But that's something that stood out with her. She's also attached to Benghazi. I absolutely believe that she got called into England so they could brief her on, you know, the spin of how they were going to spend Benghazi and what happened there.

2:00:43 um emerges is these people like we saw it with alan dulles they're conveniently out right so if they want to pretend like nothing's going to go off they'll go on vacation or whatever and then that's when the operation and they're like no i don't know anything about it if i obviously if i knew something about it i would have never went on vacation um and so these

2:01:12 people that they don't want associated with whatever it is they're going to do, that would have been like, hey, you need to go to this meeting so that you're not on station when this goes down because we're going to use you for an operation later because she was actually an employee of the CIA. Unlike the Chris Pronto and all of those other people, they were contractors. They don't care if they die or not.

2:01:41 And so, yeah, very, very suspicious that she just happened to be off station. Very, very suspicious. All along. Yeah, Colonel, very quickly. Your comment about or the comments about publishing is. We lost you. All right. All along. I'll drop you down and bring you back up. Tim, go ahead.

2:02:16 Yeah, the whole space on my side is starting to get very static since you started talking about the CIA. Yeah, you're very static every time you talk. Tim, go ahead. The biggest takeaway from last night was, to me, was the CIA's involvement in the heroin trade. And they, you know, they kind of introduced it. And I'm wondering if the...

2:02:46 the D class that are coming, if that would, if they could use that as an introduction, I don't think the general public's ready for everything yet, but could you imagine the, especially in the midst of the drug epidemic, the, the fentanyl and the, you know, fentanyl was a progression from the heroin trade and the heroin trade had to get strong enough to support the fentanyl. But when the public ties the, the drug epidemic,

2:03:17 to the CIA, that could be very, very profound. Yeah. And it definitely is tied to the CIA and it's tied to Taiwan, not China. And, you know, it, it sounds like, you know, the receipts are there. Oh my God. So many receipts. It's not even funny. Um, there, there's been so much, again, his book is just one of probably 20 that deals with Shane Kyshek and Paul Helliwell.

2:03:48 And then setting up that entire covert operation to use drugs, drugs to play for Operation Gladio. Yeah, that's in that's in Danielle Ganser's book. That's in several books about how that whole thing. As a matter of fact, I mean, the World Anti-Communist League book that we went over on Alpha Warriors program. A lot of it. Yeah. The receipts are definitely there.

2:04:19 I believe the potential for civil unrest when this information comes out is high because there's a lot of people affected by the drug epidemic. Yeah. I can't believe that it's not come out already. There's nothing to lose to saying what happened, how it happened, and when it happened.

2:04:48 That's why I volunteer to do it for free. Well, we really appreciate your effort. And I'm telling you, I'm having, you know, I wish the Gladio glasses will make it really makes you challenge your reality. It does. And it's kind of unnerving at times. But, you know, I think we're entering and, you know, Trump's got a lot to do. I mean, it's like being in the Twilight Zone most days. Yeah.

2:05:20 Yeah, I feel like I'm living a Twilight Zone episode like for the last two years. The other point, when you mentioned the Carlisle Black Rock State Street and all that, that's the ultimate beneficiary of all their BS. And that's another kind of like D-class they could point out. Yeah. Anyway, Carol, thank you for your time. Thank you. Bridget, go ahead.

2:05:53 Oh, just agreeing with everything that you said, Sam. And just, I think that if they start rolling it out slowly, because if they, all this stuff that we've been uncovering is already declassified. But the difference is, no one in the mainstream media, in the television, has ever reported on it. Because people don't know. Because they test us too busy, too swamped, too in debt.

2:06:23 To be able to come out and actually learn what our real history is and about these declassified documents. People are so used to being spoon fed. That's where I got to give you guys props, lots of props for looking for the truth. The reason why you're here is you decided to look for the truth. We're giving it out. But like these declassified documents, it's already been there. But because it's not on the television being spoon fed to people.

2:06:53 Nobody knows. And it's going to be a big shock when it when if it does come out, you know. But my opinion, I think slow is the right answer, because once they realized Vietnam had nothing to do with freedom. You know, if I could get one one tag in, you know, if Trump didn't do anything else, he showed America the fake news, you know, and it started off as like a light talk early. But.

2:07:24 You know, if you think the fake news is bad, wait, you know, wait till we get to the fake history. Yeah. Amen. Mike, go ahead. Thanks for letting me jump the line, Colonel. Sorry, everybody. Well, I'm letting the news people go because we're already over time. So go ahead. OK, OK. I'll make it brief. No, that's OK. Take your time. A couple of things I wanted to add to your guys' conversation, like the heroin trade and Gladio Network and the CIA.

2:07:56 I think one of the problems that we're dealing with is a lot of people are assuming that the corollary is just that the CIA is doing drug running like the cartels. That's not necessarily true because if you read the book Blitz, you find out that legitimate big pharma industrial companies like Merck back in the 20s were powering the roaring 20s and all the ridiculousness that led to the collapse of the Weimar Republic.

2:08:23 Germany was specifically 40% of the global heroin trade and 80% of the global cocaine trade. So when we're talking about the CIA being involved in the drug industry and everything, they're doing things very, I would say, very clinical, probably, versus everything else. And they're probably actually teaching a lot of the cartels that they're using to smuggle everything into all these different areas of the country.

2:08:51 And then another thing that I thought was very interesting in the last couple of days was I mentioned earlier in the week on my own podcast that I just found out about Romania's coup d'etat that happened over a month ago. And I hadn't heard anything about it. And Sean Ryan, like you guys are talking about him. Sean Ryan just got clued in on that. And he's I think he's one of these personalities that regardless of what your feelings are about him, I think that he is dancing around the Gladio Network conversation.

2:09:19 And not even really realizing it. But so I don't I personally don't think he's a bad actor. I think that he's just unaware and he's like relatively truthful in the way that he kind of it's like expresses himself on his podcast publicly. But I will agree with you guys that Sarah Adams, I think that if I'm trying to figure out whether she is a bad actor or whether she is just somebody who she's very clued in on one specific, very like.

2:09:49 very small panel in the within the cia as far as like tracking the money for specific groups and she's just kind of burying her head in the sand as far as like quote-unquote conspiracy theories that um may tarnish the cia's reputation so like i like i think it's i think you guys are like it's possible that you guys are accurate and that she's just kind of like a disinformation actor but i i think there's also a possibility that she's just um

2:10:15 naively ignorant and then arrogant in her ignorance. And that's all I wanted to add. Thanks guys. I'm going to, I'm going to write that down. That's probably one of the best classic lines I've ever heard. And so I am not quick to judge anybody. I would have given you ignorance, right? I would have given you ignorance.

2:10:43 Because I was ignorant. I spent 30 years in the military completely ignorant of any of this. But what I won't give you even an inch on is going through her timeline and every single talking point, whether it's the somebody had commented that the, you know, after 9-11 security state and she's like.

2:11:10 You can't complain about being scanned at the airport. It's for your own safety. Yeah. Yeah. As the illegals are walking right past you where we don't even know who those people are. Right. So you you move from naive ignorance into complicity when you say that the CIA has never done anything wrong and that they're not corrupt.

2:11:38 Everybody at this point knows about MKUltra. Everybody knows at this point about Mockingbird. Everybody understands about Paperclip. Everybody understands that the CIA has done some really shitty things so that you cannot say that they do nothing corrupt because they absolutely do. And oh, by the way, since I've studied this for the last two years, about 12 hours a day, I provided some concrete.

2:12:08 corrupt things they did that was even contrary to president direction. And her response to me was block me. So she can't have a philosophical conversation about, oh, well, you know, this fact you got wrong or OK, I'll give you that. And this fact over here, you got wrong. None of that. So for someone like myself.

2:12:37 who I don't think I have all of the answers, by the way, when someone brings something to my attention that I'm genuinely wrong about, I will research my ass off to make sure that I don't make that mistake again. Because I don't like being wrong, number one. I feel like I do a lot of research to make sure that doesn't happen. But it does happen because we're all human. Yeah, and I agree with everything you said. And I think that ultimately it just means that

2:13:05 If you're going to take any information from her as a person, it has to be very, very specific to a very specific topic. And anything else that comes from her, I'm not going to be listening to her takes on just the overall morality of the CIA's operations. It's just like, I agree with you on all those points. Yeah, so her main point is blaming ISIS for everything, right? Yeah, that's absolute nonsense. Okay, so we've unequivocally proven that ISIS was...

2:13:35 funded, trained, and created by the CIA. I have pictures, we've all seen them, of John McCain with the head of ISIS in Syria, by the way. And we all know that John McCain was head of the International Republican Institute for 25 years. He was given, on average, $75 million a year budget.

2:14:04 to go do regime change along with the National Endowment for Democracy. And there's a slush fund also set aside with taxpayer dollars for Union International Institute, something, something. And the chamber has one and the Democrat Party has one. And that was their.

2:14:23 In exchange for giving the CIA a front called the National Endowment for Democracy, Reagan also, the negotiation with the Senate was, we'll give the Republican one, the Democrats one, the Union one, and the chamber one. So everybody has a flesh fund for regime change. And you can go on their page. They're very proud of it. They have listed every country that they've spent that money in to do, quote unquote, democracy.

2:14:50 One of the countries that the IRI under McCain, most of us saw those pictures and thought McCain was there on behalf of his job as the Senate member. He was not there as a senator. He was there giving them money as the chairman of the IRI. And no one ever talks about that. So he was more of like a VC angel investor than anything. Exactly.

2:15:17 When you know those things because of the research that you've done and you have someone tell me that the CIA is not corrupt. Yeah, I'm not there. And I will agree with you on Sean Ryan. I don't watch him. I've watched clips of his show. I don't have an honest take on him. Having been a CIA contractor, obviously he's not as invested as...

2:15:46 So actually, I would tell you that I doubt very seriously if you look at Sarah's duty history that she's still not currently a CIA agent. Agreed. Yeah. So the current job that she supposedly has is with a quote unquote NGO, which we know how they use NGOs as a front. And she's coordinating action in Ukraine. So I would venture to bet if I if I had the money and wanted to make a bet on it that she is still currently employed by the CIA.

2:16:13 And that's why it rubs her the wrong way if you criticize the CIA. Because, you know, I can talk all day about the military. If you want to bring an honest complaint about the military, I loved the Air Force. I love being in the military. I love the service. I love the friends that I made. But I am not going to defend a corrupt institution, even though I was part of it for 30 years. So there's just something very odd about that.

2:16:39 Yeah, and the last bit I'll say, and I'll bounce down and listen to the rest of you guys' conversation, is that one of the reasons why I do kind of like, I won't say trust, but I value Sean Ryan's work a little bit, is that just between us girls here on this conversation, I don't think Sean Ryan is really all that bright. If you do watch quite a bit of his content, not a whole lot sticks, and he can't grasp particularly complex concepts.

2:17:07 So there is that. So thanks for letting me join, Colonel. Sure. No, Mike, I'm glad you came up. Thanks for being here. Carrie, go ahead. Hey, I just wanted to say even infants self-critique so that they learn from their mistakes. Also, there were two opium wars that the British conducted long ago. The Boxer Wars. Yeah, the Boxer Wars.

2:17:36 With the French and the British. And their main goal was killing the people. Kill them dead. Well, I don't know that that was their main goal. Their main goal was to make money. And they didn't care if people died. Oh, my take on it is that they were trying to take over China. And they thought, well, the only way we can do is to kill them.

2:18:02 Yeah, well, there's a difference between your main goal being killing them and subduing them to the point where they don't care. Because that's what they're doing here with us in a very slow, methodic way with big pharma. They're just dumbing us down with the vaccines and everything else. So their goal isn't necessarily to kill us. They like us paying taxes to them. And the same thing with the Chinese. They like the money.

2:18:31 that selling the opium to the Chinese generated for them. They didn't care. They're in the trading business. They don't care what they trade. Eventually, you know, the more opium induced people you have, the easier it is to overtake the country. So they're not necessarily diabolically different. Well, I think there is, you know, eugenicists that really, they love killing people. Like they really do. Right.

2:19:05 Just a second. Somebody just opened the front door. Go ahead, all along. Yeah, on Tim's point about the possibility of civil unrest regarding the CIA and drugs, I mean, I think it's important we remember 1996, a point that was kind of really pre-internet when it was still, you know, three and a half cable, I'm sorry, three and a half network news America.

2:19:33 And what happened when Gary Webb released the information about the crack cocaine epidemic and the CIA and its connections to Iran-Contra and just how really pissed off the public was. And it got, as Tim suggested, got, you know, hit the public from a new, very volatile angle that they're immediately responsive to. And it's probably today that would be handled differently.

2:19:59 one of their top dudes out there on to do a nightline interview on it. And that went famously zanily. And, but so I think I agree with him. It's, it would be extremely volatile if you put those little two antenna of the electric eel together, you're going to get a zap in a, in public reaction that, you know, many people would be surprised about. The other thing I wanted to mention is the topic came to publishing. And on that topic, I think.

2:20:29 That would be a good topic for a show because CIA and publishing is so, so important and very rarely looked at as a topic. One thing I would urge folks to look at is an editor at Random House who is not exactly random. His name is Bob Loomis, L-O-O-M-I-S, Bob Loomis at Random House. The reason he's so important, in my opinion.

2:20:59 As Jim DiEugenio has shown at kennedysandking.com, that's all typed together, kennedysandking.com. Just Google kennedysandking.com, Bob Loomis, and you'll see several articles. Okay, Bob Loomis was the editor for all three of the gigantically propagandized and gigantically massively media-reviewed books, first on the JFK assassination case closed, which was the widestly...

2:21:27 most widely reviewed nonfiction book of the entire 1990s. And also, Bob Loomis was the editor for Posner's books on the MLK assassination and the RFK assassination. So the fact that these books were so massively and so widely reviewed in the U.S. media really shows that

2:21:55 You know, kind of protesting too much here about both the JFK assassinations and those other two incredibly important assassinations and just how important the assassinations are in terms of U.S. epistemology translation. You know, the difference between what teachers are teaching in schools from New York to California to every single citizen on public dimes versus what you and I and maybe 13 other people in the goldfish can.

2:22:24 Talk about online. That's a huge difference that needs to be looked at. And the CIA understands of that. So anyway, just check out Bob Loomis. Bob Loomis is a propagandist. Exactly. For Random House. And it's very important that we, you know, kind of like if they're going to find that that important, covering it up, the coup and those other two assassinations, it probably is pretty darn important.

2:22:50 Because they're protesting too much and we have to go on offense and, you know, and punch back. That's why we're here. Thanks, Benjamin. Go ahead. Then we're going to close out. Thanks, Colonel. As far as the CIA agent Sarah goes, like for me.

2:23:09 If she's a CIA agent or wants to have a job with the CIA, she's not going to just get up there on some podcast, especially a pretty big one like Sean Ryan's show, and say a bunch of silly things. She's not going to be allowed to get up there and say a bunch of things that's going to be...

2:23:28 bad for the cia and like the degree of which this is all bunch of angles and how they skew the angles and the work in the shadows like a lot of americans don't realize that the leader of the taliban we had him down in guantanamo like he worked for the cia

2:23:46 Then now he's the head of the Taliban over in Afghanistan. He's killing American soldiers. It's like I worked with special operations. I know for a fact we can reach out and touch anybody in the world. So all these drug dealers that are running around free, all these bad actors that are running around free, if we really wanted to go after them, we could take them out. The fact that he worked for the CIA and is the leader of the country, that lets you know things aren't as they appear. Wow.

2:24:17 And with that, nothing is as it appears apparently, which is why we're here and why we do the research to try to figure out what is the real deal and present it to you guys in the clearest manner possible. Again, thank you, thank you, thank you so much for being here. I wish you all a wonderful weekend.

2:24:44 And I can already tell that Cousin It and Bridget has set me up because I'm going to watch this video of Tucker and then I'm going to spend the next hour writing up all the dumbass things, just like I had to do with the Felix Rodriguez. But I will tell you, if it's as bad as the Felix Rodriguez, I'm not writing all that shit down. I'm going to have to do a video because that was way too much time.

2:25:12 And then, of course, we had people taking my stuff and using it on their own stuff until Bridget and Cousin It showed up. So, yeah, let me bring up, I just saw her down there. Charlie, Sue, go ahead. We'll let you close us out.

2:25:38 All right. Thank you very much, Colonel. I know a couple of people in your space that can vouch for me because I just well, we've been following each other. I heard you on another space. I did come up just to let you know, if you don't mind, I did add you to our group called Post Spaces Only. It's a very successful group. Zero tolerance on chatting that I maintain.

2:25:59 I'm an Air Force vet married to an Air Force officer. So hopefully we can have that kindred spirit and trust between us. But I really hope you would stay in that group. That way we can keep posting your spaces and more people can come to the group that haven't discovered you before. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yes, ma'am. Absolutely. The more we get the word out, the better we will be. Absolutely. Thank you.

2:26:22 All right, guys. Have a nice weekend. You may see me later if these guys get me going on this dumbass CIA agent. I'm just going to go ahead and say that. Oh, he's a big dumbass, too. You're going to have a field day with me. And my husband went to play poker with the guys. So I'm really just left alone. Can you reveal the name? Is it who I think it is?

2:26:52 Is it who I think it is? They said it's Bernard Hudson. Thank you. Yeah, Tucker, Bridget was kind enough to post it on the billboard there. Tucker did the interview with him last Thursday, I think. But don't quote me on that. Anyway. All right. I'm going to try it. I'm going to try it. You guys may see me in a little while. I'm sure. All right.

2:27:27 Take care. Trump Frog, are you doing anything this weekend? I may actually do a space tomorrow. I'm a little bit busy with work. I'm supposed to go meet a client. But I might do one tonight later. I'm not sure. It just depends on how my meeting goes. Awesome. Let us know. I want to come and crash the party.

2:27:55 If I can. Oh, I would love it. If I do, I definitely will let you know. It'd probably be around 8 o'clock, but I will let you know for sure. Yeah, that's too late for me. Well, I don't know. If you guys got my blood boiling, I may still be up at 11. Oh, spicy Colonel Towner sounds fun. I might do that.

2:28:18 Oh, Colonel will be there after watching this. She's going to have she's going to have a ton to say to us like, no, this is a lie. This is a lie. Let me show you this. That's what's going to happen. All right. All right. You guys are challenging me here. All right. You guys take care. I will see you if not later. I'll see you on Monday. Bye.

Entities here

Allen Dulles47 CIA36 Vietnam29 Sukarno25 United Kingdom20 Rebel Government19 China15 United States15 Gamal Abdel Nasser14 Egypt12 Iran11 Israel11 U.S. State Department10 Dwight D. Eisenhower9 1958 Indonesian Rebellion9 U.S. Navy8 Sumatra8 Saudi Arabia8 Hjalmar Schacht8 Frank Wisner7 Suez Crisis7 Greece7 Alfred Ulmer7 Operation Archipelago7 Singapore7 Syria6 Alan Lawrence Pope6 Netherlands5 Indonesian Air Force5 France5 Philippines5 Australia5 Washington, D.C.5 Spycatcher5 Paul L. Williams4 John Allison4 George H.W. Bush4 Guatemala4 Jordan4 Loomis4

Claims made here

CIA attempted_coup_against Hungary host_asserted ▶ 4:29

“to help the Hungarian crisis, because remember where we left that is that they had basically rebelled, thinking that the West, specifically the U.S. and Britain, would come to their aid and free them …”

Allen Dulles headed U.S. State Department documented ▶ 6:23

“And while the president monitored the overall program, his secretary of state, John Foster Dulles, and his brother, Allen, oversaw the execution. And this is a critical point because you remember in m…”

Allen Dulles headed CIA documented ▶ 6:23

Wilbur Evelyn member_of Operations Coordination Board documented ▶ 7:23

“He would eventually die of cancer in 1959, and the continuing crisis that followed Hungary took a great toll on him. One of the new plans originating in the months before the Suez, a CIA contract offi…”

George Young member_of Security Information Systems documented ▶ 7:52

“used at an Anglo-American intelligence conference. It had been dropped by George K. Young, who was deputy to the SIS chief in connection with the Middle East operation. When the CIA man returned to Wa…”

U.S. State Department founded Omega Task Force documented ▶ 7:52

Wilbur Evelyn member_of CIA documented ▶ 7:52

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Syria book_quoted ▶ 8:22

“E-B-E-L-A-N-D, thought, quote, that plans to undertake a coup in Syria were centered in the State Department struck me highly unusual. I'd expected to see papers referring to NSD policy decisions and …”

Security Information Systems carried_out_attack Syria book_quoted ▶ 9:14

“In July, Kermit Roosevelt went out to Jordan on another assignment related to this same mission. Operation Straggle, known to the Americans as Wakeful, so Straggle was the British name, led to a compl…”

Kermit Roosevelt carried_out_attack Syria book_quoted ▶ 9:14

CIA carried_out_attack Syria book_quoted ▶ 9:14

Security Information Systems manipulated CIA book_quoted ▶ 9:45

“In fact, however, the British seem to have manipulated the CIA into timing the operation for precisely the beginning of the Anglo-French-Israeli action against the Suez. The coup project collapsed as …”

CIA carried_out_attack Syria book_quoted ▶ 10:14

“The coup was resurrected in 57 and renamed Operation WAPEN, W-A-P-P-E-N, with the CIA in Beirut, Lebanon, coordinating a covert working group composed of representatives from the British SIS plus Iraq…”

CIA recruited Shukri al-Quwatli book_quoted ▶ 10:43

“for which he had brought up a political action specialist by the name of Howard Rocky Stone. So Rocky was his nickname. One of those officers who had worked with Kermit Roosevelt in Iran. The agency g…”

Allen Dulles spied_on Pakistan book_quoted ▶ 12:11

“and the group cover over 30,000 miles in 57 days. They used the director's personal plane, a modified version of a DC-6. Dulles inspected the stations in Europe, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Sou…”

Allen Dulles spied_on Thailand book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on Vietnam book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on Singapore book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on Australia book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on Japan book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on Turkey book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on China book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on Korea book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on Philippines book_quoted ▶ 12:11

Allen Dulles spied_on India book_quoted ▶ 12:11

CIA attempted_coup_against Vietnam book_quoted ▶ 15:06

“Eisenhower felt justified in rejecting a 1960 plea from Sukarno and four other national leaders for a summit talk between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Eisenhower's dissatisfaction with Indonesia led…”

Sukarno founded Non-Aligned Movement book_quoted ▶ 16:03

“like Burma, Nasser, Nehru of India, which, by the way, they all get taken care of in not a good way. Sukarno advocated a new association of non-aligned nations, and that's not allowed, sorry. Indonesi…”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Sukarno book_quoted ▶ 18:33

“men remained in prison for over another 10 years when they could have been free because of this bastard. Because of Chinese involvement in the non-aligned movement, Dulles feared the Soviets would be …”

Sukarno overthrew Netherlands book_quoted ▶ 19:55

“Independence came in the rush of decolonization after World War II. For the Indonesians, the problem lay in transforming the array of islands into a nation state. Sukarno had been a prominent wartime …”

Alfred Ulmer member_of Far East Division book_quoted ▶ 24:07

“Far East Division was the biggest in that area of the CIA. As it happened, the division chief, Alfred Ulmer Jr., knew about paramilitary operations, but very little about Asia. He had been transferred…”

Alfred Ulmer trained Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 25:02

“where Otto Skorzeny is. So this guy has worked covert operations with Otto Skorzeny. And he was in Greece, and we know that we overthrew Greece's government too. So he is no stranger to covert operati…”

Richard M. Bissell Jr. member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 26:33

“Richard Bissell, then the special assistant to Alan Dulles, recalls that the Indonesians had approached the agency at least two years before the operation, which is why most people think they were inv…”

CIA financed_via Indonesian National Police book_quoted ▶ 27:04

“And the reason why I know this is because I did quite a bit of research into this, because one of these colonels was the guy, Sotero, that Obama's mother ends up with. He's one of the colonels that's …”

CIA recruited Hussein Kamel book_quoted ▶ 27:34

“Sukarno's government. An approach came in April 1957 through local channels for two of the prominent colonels, a guy by the name of Hussein, isn't that weird? Hussein, like Barack Obama's middle name?…”

CIA recruited Simbolon book_quoted ▶ 27:34

Alfred Ulmer supplied_arms_to Simbolon book_quoted ▶ 28:33

“amounted to only nine people in the entire CIA. With some hesitation, there had been no 5412 group meeting to approve any of these operations. And so Ulmer got Allen Dulles and Wisner to let him follo…”

Alfred Ulmer supplied_arms_to Hussein Kamel book_quoted ▶ 28:33

Frank Wisner financed_via Vietnam book_quoted ▶ 30:33

“president into Indonesia for a stay of over two months. In May, the U.S. flatly rejected a request by Sukarno to make a visit to Washington. The fall of 1957, as it turns out, there would be little op…”

Charles Cabell headed Vietnam book_quoted ▶ 31:02

“for the overthrow. The active phase of Indonesia operations caused some uproar internal to the CIA. Alan Dulles kept in close contact, although he delegated the supervisory role mainly to Lieutenant G…”

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Vietnam book_quoted ▶ 32:27

“when he received word from his brother Alan on September 16, 1957, for the final go-ahead for the coup. Only his side of the conversation was recorded by an official note-taker. Here's what he said. Q…”

Allen Dulles covered_up John Allison book_quoted ▶ 33:51

“Allison was then deliberately misinformed regarding anything that was going on with the CIA operation. John Foster called Allen on November 29th to tell him of an extremely significant cable from Alli…”

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 35:16

“which sounds exactly like an Operation Gladio event, because they do this to get the people to turn against their president. The immediate question was whether to send condolences on the deaths and co…”

CIA carried_out_attack Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 35:16

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Sukarno documented ▶ 36:45

“On the way it is, we will have something across there which will be pretty bad, unquote. A few minutes later, Foster was on the phone to his undersecretary, Christian Herter, H-E-R-T-E-R. What he woul…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Rebel Government documented ▶ 38:07

“The 14-page paper argued that the group of military men seemed assured of support from other facets of the country and that they would be able to break Sukarno's grip on the country. Intelligence repo…”

Allen Dulles appointed Hugh Cumming Jr. documented ▶ 38:36

“which it predicted would be delivered on the 5th of February, but critically miscalculated in its assessment that Sukarno would not attempt to put pressure on the outer islands in the short run. CIA a…”

Allen Dulles removed_from_power John Allison documented ▶ 41:01

“Accounts differ on whether Allison asked for an immediate transport or was simply ordered out of the country. But John Foster sent Allison, a career diplomat, to Czechoslovakia because of his hesitati…”

Frank Wisner headed Operation Archipelago documented ▶ 45:12

“This move was a signal for Wisner, who loved to be at the scene of action, to leave Singapore and come command the operation. In Singapore, the CIA station chief had been augmented for the project. Th…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Rebel Government documented ▶ 45:42

“Along with the full extent of British and Australia collaboration, because they were both in on this as well, another prime base for Archipelago was the Philippines. Navy submarines left Subic Bay wit…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Rebel Government documented ▶ 46:07

“the services of 300 to 400 American, Filipino, and nationalist Chinese, i.e. Taiwan, to serve and fly a small fleet of transport aircraft modified by the Air Force for ground support missions. So they…”

Indonesian Air Force carried_out_attack Rebel Government documented ▶ 46:37

“dismissed six of the rebel colonels, and more discharges were to follow. They declared a force that was necessary, and a week later, warships maneuvered off the coast to a stronghold of the Sumatran r…”

CIA covered_up Operation Archipelago documented ▶ 47:06

“which was a serious blow to the CIA's psychological warfare plans, John Foster Dulles made a concerted effort to prevent the American role in the rebellion from becoming public knowledge. In appearanc…”

CIA financed_via Rebel Government documented ▶ 47:36

“was an internal matter and that the U.S. would not allow arms on either side while supplying arms to the rebel. Ten million dollars worth. The second week of March, government troops reinforced by dro…”

CIA trained Rebel Government host_asserted ▶ 48:39

“Sofini, P-O-S-H-E-P-N-Y, landed with one of the teams and had already seen fierce action in Tibet earlier and found the Indonesia fight quite tame, which is interesting because, remember, they trained…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower covered_up Operation Archipelago documented ▶ 54:55

“The government accused American and Chinese, meaning Taiwan, of operating the rebel air force and later acknowledged it was sending a list to Washington identifying these individuals. In response, Eis…”

Indonesian Air Force carried_out_attack Alan Lawrence Pope documented ▶ 56:26

“On May 18th, one of the Rebel B-26 bomber raided Ambon, hitting a crowded village marketplace where people were on their way to church. The plane was hit over its intended target, an airfield, and the…”

CIA recruited Alan Lawrence Pope documented ▶ 56:55

“as Cabell confirmed for Foster Dulles, but CIA had a lot of confidence in the man. Hope had flown in Korea for this civil air transport, including 57 missions to Dinbinfu. He had been recruited for th…”

Sukarno exposed Operation Archipelago documented ▶ 57:22

“that John Foster stood before the press to say the Indonesian rebellion should be resolved without intrusion, as he intruded. With the Americans, what the Americans did not know was that Sukarno could…”

CIA covered_up Capture of Alan Pope documented ▶ 57:52

“and the pilots had undergone strip searches before each mission to ensure they had no criminating evidence on them. But Pope concealed his papers on the aircraft. The Indonesians captured Air Force an…”

Richard M. Bissell Jr. succeeded Frank Wisner documented ▶ 1:00:18

“The disaster did finally sap the strength of Frank Wisner. The chief went to London as the station chief to be replaced in Washington by Richard Bissell. Al Umer went to Paris as station chief. His pl…”

CIA trained Rebel Government host_asserted ▶ 1:04:41

“Hong Kong or whatever in that area, even the Philippines, because we know they had a large CIA facility on Clark Air Base. So they would have the Delta SF guys training the assassins and the paramilit…”

Hjalmar Schacht recruited Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 1:05:45

“H-J-A-L-M-A-R, Schacht, the banker who shaped Hitler's power. So, the reason I'm bringing it up is because they mention, after he got acquitted at Nuremberg, that he went on down to Indonesia and help…”

Sukarno pardoned Alan Pope host_asserted ▶ 1:08:39

“is another curious character. Why Socorro released him, I don't quite understand. Because he was sentenced to death and Socorro turned him loose. Pope comes back to the States and does everything and …”

George H.W. Bush carried_out_attack Greece book_quoted ▶ 1:13:05

“as saying as her kind of like where she was on Dallas on November 22nd 1963 and she's basically she's kind of at a hairdresser's salon where she's writing a letter to Ulmer's wife I believe and talkin…”

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Italy host_asserted ▶ 1:15:08

“Basically fits the paradigm of those going in the OSS. He joined the Navy, but ends up in the OSS. He also, after the OSS is disbanded, he joins the CIA and he goes to Turkey, Egypt, Italy and Austria…”

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Turkey host_asserted ▶ 1:15:08

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Austria host_asserted ▶ 1:15:08

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Egypt host_asserted ▶ 1:15:08

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Yugoslavia host_asserted ▶ 1:15:37

“And Italy and Austria during the time that he would have been there in the late 40s and early 50s were all part of Operation Gladio. And then, of course, we just mentioned his excursion over into Gree…”

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Greece host_asserted ▶ 1:15:37

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Balkans host_asserted ▶ 1:15:37

Alfred Ulmer carried_out_attack Hungary host_asserted ▶ 1:15:37

Chiang Kai-shek carried_out_attack China host_asserted ▶ 1:19:06

“because they use those interchangeably to screw us up. And so his video has the tanks in Tiananmen Square of the person standing in front of the tank. And I told him, I texted him earlier today and I …”

James Mossman paid Gamal Abdel Nasser book_quoted ▶ 1:23:36

“was reportedly tasked with delivering £20,000 worth intended to bribe NASA's personal physician to carry out a poisoning under the radar.…”

Anthony Eden ordered_assassination_of Gamal Abdel Nasser book_quoted ▶ 1:23:47

“And it says when the CIA found out about this, they said they couldn't condone it, but wouldn't stop it. And then when Anthony Eden, British prime minister at the time, said that he really needed NASA…”

Standard Oil financed_via Mohammad Mosaddegh host_asserted ▶ 1:27:45

“In that case, the British failed to overthrow Mossadegh when they tried a couple of times. The U.S. stepped in and did it for them because there was ultimately when the U.S. stepped in and helped, Sta…”

Otto Skorzeny member_of Mossad host_asserted ▶ 1:28:38

“Adam Skorzeny took a mission for Mossad to get rid of the Nazi scientists that had been placed in Egypt that was trying to get them parity with Israel and their support from France, the U.S. and Londo…”

Gamal Abdel Nasser targeted_for_regime_change Bashar al-Assad host_asserted ▶ 1:39:37

“the physician that's going to be on the take and poison them or whatever. And they do that everywhere so they can control shit. And so Assad was one of the last guys standing that said, your military …”

Hjalmar Schacht member_of Who in Dallas caller_asserted ▶ 1:41:39

“It really is so relevant to everything that we've been talking about here. Yeah, I've read it. The post-World War II, yeah. And so Schlock is definitely a key figure in that book and connects with the…”

Paul L. Williams founded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:51:18

“So hard, I'm sure. And the other thing I wanted to know about him was, how do you think it's possible? Like he was saying he was published through Doubleday. How do you think that's possible? A lot of…”

Paul L. Williams exposed Catholic Church host_asserted ▶ 1:51:45

“He couldn't teach at Catholic schools anymore because he outed the Vatican Bank. But who published it? Was it Doubleday? I don't know. I'll look. What did I just do with it? I had it right here. Where…”

CIA funded Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant host_asserted ▶ 2:13:05

“If you're going to take any information from her as a person, it has to be very, very specific to a very specific topic. And anything else that comes from her, I'm not going to be listening to her tak…”

CIA trained Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant host_asserted ▶ 2:13:05

John McCain headed International Republican Institute documented ▶ 2:13:35

“funded, trained, and created by the CIA. I have pictures, we've all seen them, of John McCain with the head of ISIS in Syria, by the way. And we all know that John McCain was head of the International…”

National Endowment for Democracy front_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 2:14:23

“In exchange for giving the CIA a front called the National Endowment for Democracy, Reagan also, the negotiation with the Senate was, we'll give the Republican one, the Democrats one, the Union one, a…”

Ronald Reagan funded National Endowment for Democracy host_asserted ▶ 2:14:23

International Republican Institute funded Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant host_asserted ▶ 2:14:50

“One of the countries that the IRI under McCain, most of us saw those pictures and thought McCain was there on behalf of his job as the Senate member. He was not there as a senator. He was there giving…”

Sarah Sanders member_of CIA speculative ▶ 2:15:46

“So actually, I would tell you that I doubt very seriously if you look at Sarah's duty history that she's still not currently a CIA agent. Agreed. Yeah. So the current job that she supposedly has is wi…”

United Kingdom trafficked China documented ▶ 2:18:31

“that selling the opium to the Chinese generated for them. They didn't care. They're in the trading business. They don't care what they trade. Eventually, you know, the more opium induced people you ha…”

Gary Webb exposed Iran-Contra affair documented ▶ 2:19:33

“And what happened when Gary Webb released the information about the crack cocaine epidemic and the CIA and its connections to Iran-Contra and just how really pissed off the public was. And it got, as …”

Loomis member_of Random House documented ▶ 2:20:29

“That would be a good topic for a show because CIA and publishing is so, so important and very rarely looked at as a topic. One thing I would urge folks to look at is an editor at Random House who is n…”

Loomis covered_up John F. Kennedy host_asserted ▶ 2:20:59

“As Jim DiEugenio has shown at kennedysandking.com, that's all typed together, kennedysandking.com. Just Google kennedysandking.com, Bob Loomis, and you'll see several articles. Okay, Bob Loomis was th…”

Loomis covered_up Robert F. Kennedy host_asserted ▶ 2:21:27

“most widely reviewed nonfiction book of the entire 1990s. And also, Bob Loomis was the editor for Posner's books on the MLK assassination and the RFK assassination. So the fact that these books were s…”

Taliban member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 2:23:28

“bad for the cia and like the degree of which this is all bunch of angles and how they skew the angles and the work in the shadows like a lot of americans don't realize that the leader of the taliban w…”