The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)

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0:07 okay welcome everybody how are you today miss bridget wonderful can i tell you i am going to be in strawberry nirvana next year i'm planting a hundred new additional strawberry plants yeah that's for anybody interested that's 48 feet

0:36 by 16 feet of the strawberry patch. That's one big honking strawberry patch. Okay, so when are they going to be ready? Well, you know, first year is always when you've got to pick off and can't let them bloom this year. Oh, what? That's ridiculous. And then the second year they go to freaking town. Okay, well, I guess I'll hold off my trip up there until next year. Yeah, yeah.

1:03 but it should be a great year for cantaloupe. Do you know my strawberries? My June-bearing strawberries already have big green strawberries on them. Wait a minute, so you're going to have some in June? Well, normally June-bearers have, that's when they bloom, or that's when they ripen. That's what I'm looking for. But this year, we are getting so much warm weather, everything's way early. So it should be a good year for cantaloupe, just saying. Okay. Because they love the heat.

1:33 All right. Just give me about a two-week heads up. That sounds good. Or I'll tip one to you, one or the other. One or two? Right. At least two. If you're going to make it worth your while, you know. All right. That's a deal. All right. We're on page 416. We are in the early 70s talking about Chile.

2:01 And we left off with November, the meeting of the 40 committee under the Nixon administration with Kissinger discussing covert actions. Henry Kissinger told Nixon on November 25th that the plan included assisting friendly Chilean media and using selected outlets to play up Belinda's faults.

2:29 enlarging contacts with the Chilean military, now that we've assassinated the guy that's in charge of it, supporting non-Marxist opposition groups, and Kissinger repeated the language Bill Breaux had used at the 40 Committee, not preserving a moderate opposition, but dividing and weakening Allende's coalition. That is destabilization.

2:58 In January of 71, the secret war managers increased the covert action budget to $1.24 million. In March, an American, Howard Edwards, accused of participating in an international scheme to lower the price of copper, was apprehended by the Chilean police. Chilean sources identified Rogers as a Bay of Pigs veteran.

3:28 who had worked in Czechoslovakia during the Prague Spring. You guys thought the Arab Spring was unique. Over the first half of 1971, the 40 Committee approved another half million dollars for direct action among the Chilean Christian Democrats.

3:52 By July, before new Chilean congressional elections, the war managers decided to commit another $150,000 to subsidize opposition candidates. Their vision of Chile contrasted markedly with intelligence analysis. A month later, a fresh Chilean national intelligence estimate pictured the Soviets as cautious about Allende. His relations with Cuba was distant.

4:22 Oh, so you're telling me there's no communists there? What? Wait, what? They were very careful in Chile to ensure that there wasn't any reason or excuse for an all-out economic war against the U.S. Salvador Allende had a long relationship with Castro, but not professionally as president.

4:54 In Kissinger's account, he makes a point of Castro's month-long visit not long after the election. But Ambassador Nathaniel Davis' memoirs actually shows that contacts between Castro and Allende were very cool. While nationalization of industry dominated the U.S.-Chilean relationship, the National Intelligence Estimate concluded that Allende wished to avoid

5:23 All confrontation with the U.S. In all, this portrait of Chile shows a leadership anxious to preserve the friendship with Washington while pursuing domestic economic reforms. But little did he know, you can't do both. From the summer of 71, when the multilateral aid units stymied by the U.S. vetoes began denying loans, Allende's problems increased.

5:54 Every penny fall in the price of copper cost Chile $14 million in earnings. Within two months of Allende's inauguration, foreign lines of credit available to Chile dropped from $230 million to only $30 million. This is flat out economic warfare. These headaches were covertly being fomented by the CIA.

6:27 At the CIA station in Chilean's capital, Hexter had been replaced by Raymond Warren about a month later after this initial stuff was happening. Quite familiar with Chile, where he had spent five years in the 50s, Ray Warren had worked in labor and political operations for the CIA. He was also a veteran.

6:56 of the Guatemala PBS, PB6S. He had also been involved in Bulgaria, excuse me, Bolivia with political actions in the early 1960s. He was an expert. Warren had formerly been the deputy chief of a division at headquarters. He had a strong station.

7:27 including Don Winters, who stayed on as deputy chief, who had also served in Guatemala and Nicaragua under Somoza. New additions included Frederick Latrash, L-A-T-R-A-S-H. He was there posing as USAID. Another project success foot soldier who had been in Ghana after they couped the government there.

8:02 That's La Trash. From Washington came Jack Devine. He was going to be in charge of media operations. James Anderson, whose cover was as a consular officer for the embassy. Holdovers included John Tipton, Arnold Isaac, Fred Shanner, and Val Moss. There would be a clandestine operation group of four,

8:38 a propaganda group, and several more case officers. They also set up a paramilitary group and a unit working specifically against people they had categorized as foreign agents in the country. Ambassador Corey also left Santiago. Corey had tried unsuccessfully to avoid this confrontation. He had encouraged Washington to maintain a soft

9:08 towards Allende and not push him away from the U.S. Kissinger wanted Corey out right away, and he wanted the failure to prevent Allende's victory associated with the state house and blame it on Corey, not the White House. Al Haig advised Kissinger that the White House seemed fairly clean, but that the CIA could be caught and blamed

9:39 for any blowback. In February and March of 71, the issue of Corey's replacement came up at the White House. Secretary Rogers wanted him relieved. Haig cautioned Kissinger not simply to get rid of him as an envoy. This is a quote. This is what Haig said. He holds a great many secrets, including the fact that the president was directly and through you

10:09 communicated to him some extremely sensitive guidance. I can't think of nothing more embarrassing to the administration than thrusting a former columnist who has totally alienated from the president and yourself into the world without a means of livelihood. Rogers treatment, unquote. Rogers treatment of Corey, even Haig found shabby.

10:36 In April of 71, Ambassador Corey completed a report on the failed election operation, which presumably dotted I's and crossed T's. On Haig's instruction, Kissinger's NSC staff handled the report outside of normal channels, preventing it from leaving any footprint inside the national security filing system. Haig also acted to suppress a Chilean postmortem by the Presidential's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

11:08 That October, Corey's ride came to an end. His successor, career diplomat Nathaniel Davis, proved an acute observer but had a limited role. Economic assistance halted. USAID funds were all shut off. The U.S. prevented loans to Chile from anybody. The World Bank, the IMF, they basically threatened them all.

11:36 Funds for the Chilean military, on the other hand, were continued and increased because they're using the military under Pinochet to foment the upcoming overthrow of the government. As Chile's economic problems worsened, the CIA sting was illustrated by the measures Allende took to shut down the newspaper El Mursario.

12:07 That's their New York Times that basically the CIA has taken over. In the fall of 71, that became the focus of Kissinger and the 40 Committee. Based on a new CIA proposal, Nixon administration approved a $700,000 subsidy. Agency payments to the newspaper in fact quadrupled during the Nixon years. Covert action funds approved by the 40 Committee during the destabilization to work anything spent before.

12:37 including the expensive campaign of 1964. So they had spent $3 million in 71, $3 million in 72, and almost $2 million in 73. But the CIA had spent $7 million in addition to all of those other millions. American activities help polarize Chilean politics.

13:08 Economic woes turned the middle class against Allende and eroded the neutrality of the armed forces. Ultra-left groups resorted to violence, and Cuban weapons were brought into Chile because they couldn't get them from anywhere else. And a desperate Allende at the 11th hour moved to arm loyal workers. The Nixon administration monitored all of this.

13:39 bugged the Chilean embassy in Washington. Now don't forget, and no author ever mentions this, Chile not only was being eavesdropped on by ITT Telephone and Telegraph, but they had Crypto AG too. So all of the embassy cables to Chilean ambassadors around the world was being eavesdropped on as well. In November 1971, the agency could finally report

14:09 whisperings of restiveness in the Chilean military and it tried to lay out the criteria to use in discussing the mechanics of a coup. Chilean stations penetration of the military had grown so deep that the division deputy Jim Flannery on December 1st asked Warren to go slow.

14:39 the 40 committee's approval to proceed ahead with the coup. The station, Flannery cabled, should report history, not make it. Ambassador Davis had to exercise vigilance over CIA initiatives. Despite the country team concept, the constant White House use of going direct to the CIA versus the embassy left him

15:09 in an interesting position. Some things Davis learned only from reading the Senate investigative report several years later. Several CIA sources confirmed that money to the Chilean political parties often moved through third country conduits, European parties, and other Latin countries. Davis had trouble learning of all of this.

15:36 His worst moment with Ray Warren came over the subsidizing when CIA started routing cash through a Chilean politician and Warren refused to tell the ambassador who it was. In a highly charged discussion, Davis told Warren that he would not be blindsided if he discovered a Chilean he dealt with had become a CIA conduit without his knowledge, there would be hell to pay. Davis gave Warren 24 hours to think about it.

16:06 The next day, the CIA officer told the ambassador who it was. President Allende inevitably was making mistakes because, of course, he doesn't know there's an actual coup being plotted against him. He proceeded with plans to nationalize several of the industries, primarily copper and IT&T, which is the telephone and telegraph throughout the country. The personal edge.

16:37 To this shows in a half dozen break-ins that took place at the Chilean embassy in Washington in the spring and early summer of 1972, when the White House plumbers unit of Watergate fame ransacked the offices of Ambassador Orlando Ladier. They later kill him, but for now they're just ransacking his office. In a new national intelligence estimate in June of 72,

17:10 They continued to see breakdowns in foreign relations and maintained that Chilean democracy had held up well under the Allende government. So the actual analysts are documenting the fact that he's not a communist, despite the fact that they're actively plotting to overthrow his government. And this is where early on in this research, we came to the conclusion.

17:41 None of this has anything to do with communism, no matter what anybody tells you. It has to do with rich people in the United States paying the CIA to commit coups all over the world. And the State Department and the White House and everybody else is all in on it. A halt in U.S. exports now cut off the flow of spare parts with serious consequences.

18:06 unrest began to reach fever pitch in the fall of 72 when the truckers union began a series of national strikes, halting virtually all transportation in Chile for months on end. Now, keep in mind, this is exactly what they did in Guyana. This is one of their favorite tactics. They infiltrate the unions, pay everybody not to work to destroy their own country. In days, the economy lost millions of dollars.

18:37 A few months later, strikes that began with a key episode at one of the mines that had been taken over by the Chilean government from Kennecott. This crippled the copper industry. And again, who do we find there? We find the American Institute for Free Labor Development, which is the precursor to the organization that gets created in

19:12 the 1980s under National Endowment for Democracy. The country director for Chile, Robert J. O'Neill, acknowledged in retirement that the entire time he was in Chile pretending to work for the American Institute of Free Labor and Development, he was a CIA agent, not asset, agent. That was his cover.

19:42 He was directly responsible for the strikes. Despite widespread chaos, Allende's popular unity gained in the March 1973 elections. So even though they're throwing everything in the kitchen seat at Allende, his party success is not showing the where that they want. And this is despite millions of dollars.

20:16 Tens of millions of dollars at this point being thrown into this operation to buy people. There had been efforts to picture this election as an anti-Allende victory, saying that assembly came in just short of what was required to impeach the president. But these appraisals carefully avoid the actual gains made. In other words, they were just lying to us. Theodore Shackley, who took over.

20:48 The division that's handling all of this in May of 1972 was embroiled in the Chilean from the start. Shackley opened a direct channel to the publisher of El Mercurio, the New York Times, through Austin Edwards' lawyer, meeting him several times in Washington. He also coordinated damage control with ITT officials whose machinations in Chile.

21:21 burst into the public in 1972 with leaked ITT documents. Opposition from both Ray Warren and Nathaniel Davis forced Shackley to cancel a planned trip to Santiago. The Cuban DGI had a good station in Chile under Juan Maraditero Ibanez.

21:50 who had been the Havana coordinator for Che Guevara in Bolivia and could have discovered Shackley's presence. Knowledge that CIA's man of Mongoose, Laos, Vietnam was in Santiago would have definitely cued Allende's security services that it would be a forewarning for a coup.

22:18 Shackley became the first secret warrior able to sit down with state colleagues to discuss a coup that might actually work. By October 1972, the agency was confident enough to predict that the U.S. help would be unnecessary when the coup occurred. In fact, by May of 1973, the bugs at the Chilean embassy in Washington no longer worked.

22:48 But the CIA had Santiago wired for sound. Again, crypto AG, guys. A coup was so likely that Shackley, again, ordered Ray Warren to reduce contact with the Chilean military to avoid the CIA being outed. Warren protested this. The station had responsibility to warn of a coup and could hardly do that without access.

23:17 Shackley confirmed his instructions and said that they stood. At Langley, at the same time, Shackley reviewed the covert action program for the director, suggesting additional measures. Among them were payments of $350,000 for the Christian Democrat Party and $200,000 for the National Party.

23:46 Some of them also went to a group called Fatherland and Liberty. That was basically their version of Operation Condor inside of Chile. They were so extreme that they were basically fascist, but they played an important part in the actual coup.

24:18 In June, Ted Shackley moved up to the deputy director of operations, replacing Bill Colby. His successor was David Phillips. Only 10 months into a tour in Venezuela, it seemed Phillips was always being called back from places where he was stationed. The covert action moved ahead. The State Department filed objections in July 25th in a memorandum from its Latin American bureau, Ray Klein,

24:48 now states INR, that's the Intelligence and Research Branch Chief. That's where we found Eleanor Dulles during the Eisenhower administration. That's the belly button into the State Department for the CIA. So matter of fact, just like with this, Ray Clines is CIA, and he happens to be sitting over in State Department in charge.

25:16 of the CIA State Department Coordination Office, which they call INR. On August 20th, the 40 committee approved the latest proposal. Several days later, Santiago Station asked for subsidies for particular groups, another million dollars. Strikes introduced the last act of the drama.

25:44 Decades later, it remained impossible to say how many truckers and miners were able to sustain a year-long series of walkouts with their livelihoods intact. So rumors at the time were that the strikers were financed by Americans and Brazilians, which of course is exactly the model they used in Guyana.

26:14 American Institute for Free Labor Development was accused of passing money. State and CIA officials denied this to Congress. Dave Phillips also said that the CIA was not involved in that. But of course, we know all of those people lie, so for whatever that's worth. They did acknowledge that the Chilean groups were funded by the agency.

26:50 To some extent, they just would never reveal how much. In 1974, when journalist Seymour Hersh alleged CIA funding in the New York Times, quoting agency sources among others, his articles triggered a flap in the White House. Until 73, the Chilean armed forces were largely out of the picture, and their leadership

27:16 since they assassinated the other guy, was General Carlos Prats, P-R-A-T-S. As his political difficulties grew, Allende bought military loyalty in part by bringing Prats into his government. On June 20th, the loyalist forces crushed a coup attempt by officers inspired by that far-right group called

27:44 Where was that name? Fatherland and Liberty. They were backed by the CIA. Even though the CIA initially denied that they had anything to do with them, that's not true. And oh, by the way, that's where you find the actual Nazis in Chile. And they had a lot of them. They were in that group too. You know, the same ones the CIA was working with in Germany that made sure they got to South America. Yeah, those guys.

28:18 After that first attempted coup that got crushed, the CIA sent a cable mentioning that and Kissinger basically did like a tap dance. He was so happy. President Allende tried to enhance military participation in his cabinet, but the generals and admirals were now reluctant to join. About a month after the abortive coup, assailants murdered Allende's naval aide.

28:49 In August, discontent serviced in the form of a demonstration outside of Pratt's home by officers' wives and Pratt resigned. And guess who was behind that? Yes, the CIA. General Augusto Penashe had helped quell the chaos in June. He is said to have expressed indignation. That was just a pretend. The CIA, unlike their experience in Indonesia,

29:21 had a good line on the general, meaning they had already established a relationship. By September of 72, Pinochet had expressed the view that Allende had lost his ability to lead. The general served as army chief of staff, and after Pratt's resignation, became the guy in charge. So they killed one, they got the other one to resign, and now they got their guy. Previously considered a constitutionalist, it was Pinochet.

29:57 who would lead the military coup against Salvador Allende, but he couldn't have done it without the CIA. Santiago station officer Jack Devine was at lunch at Da Carla, a popular Italian restaurant in Santiago on September 9th, when a colleague told him his wife urgently needed to talk to him.

30:23 Devine called home and was told in cryptic terms that a source about to leave the country to avoid a coup said it would happen on September 11th. So his wife is finding out when the planned coup is. By evening, Devine had confirmed the tip and discovered the time of initiation. I guess they're pretending that they don't know anything about this.

30:53 His cable written into a report went to Nixon and Kissinger on September 10th. Devine became the first to have correct information and the attaches in Santiago had reported the impending coup on September 7th. A report in DIA files show this data circulated the next day. The Americans had Santiago well wired.

31:22 Devine and Don Winters disagree on how high U.S. contacts went in the military. They went as high as the guy who's now in charge of it because the CIA had almost constant contact with Pinochet. On the 11th, Warren's station was fully staffed but locked down on the seventh floor of the embassy. Warren had a lookout across the street with a view of the palace. Actually, the post

31:52 was the hotel room of a young officer who had been sent temporarily to Santiago, who had been debating the chief for weeks on the date of the coup. When the coup began, Warren was told, Merry Christmas. The station chief, I mean, it's September. I don't know why they said that, but whatever.

32:21 Officers staffed the lookout and an open phone line. General Pinochet led the coup and became the chief of the junta that wrestled control from the Chilean government. By mid-afternoon, it was over. La Monande was bombed and attacked during the coup. Salvador Allende, the author says, committed suicide. He did not. At the White House, Richard Nixon was delighted but concerned when Henry Kissinger phoned him with the news.

32:51 The president said, quote, our hand doesn't show on this one, though, unquote. The national security advisor, careful as ever, said, quote, we didn't do it. I mean, we helped them, created the conditions as great as possible, unquote. The next day, Kissinger convened his crisis management unit, the Washington Special Actions Group, in the Situation Room.

33:17 William Colby, newly minted CIA director, led off by describing the situation in Santiago. But Kissinger concentrated on culpability and consequences. He ordered the return of the U.S. Navy vessels in the area without touching at Chilean ports. Yeah, and that's something, again, that this author completely leaves out of this. There's a whole bunch of other things that happened in the lead up to this, one of which was there was a Navy.

33:46 blockade along the coast of Chile. There was immediate talk of loan credits and amounts and the necessity of getting that Chilean economy that we just destroyed back up and running. After what Nixon considered a decent interval, the U.S. recognized Pinochet's military junta as the legitimate government. Recognition came just a week after Kissinger told the Senate

34:16 that the administration had decided not to rush into action until they did. The occasion for Kissinger's statement had been his confirmation hearing for his promotion to the new Secretary of State. The National Security Advisor testified at the Foreign Relations Committee six days after the coup. Among other things, Kissinger told the senators that there had been total confusion at the White House when Pinochet forces moved against Allende.

34:47 including within the Washington Special Action Group, which was a bold-faced lie. He also told him that the CIA had absolutely nothing to do with the coup and that he knew nothing about the Chilean activities of the CIA-backed labor unit, which again was an absolute lie because it was done in the 40 Committee that Kissinger personally led.

35:20 He also said it is incorrect to say that we cut off credit to the Allende government, which is not incorrect at all. That's exactly what you did. And you threatened anybody that sold them weapons or traded with them that they'd lose their aid. So in other words, Kissinger's Secretary of State hearing in the Senate for confirmation was 100% a total lie.

35:52 Kissinger told the senators that he had said to Ambassador Davis some days before in discussing reports of coup plotting, quote, just make sure none of our embassy personnel has anything to do directly or indirectly with any of the plotters. If there are any plotters in response to any approaches. That's not what he said at all. He was funding the plotters. Kissinger and Nathaniel Davis assert that Allende created the opposition through his own actions.

36:24 minus the tens of millions of dollars that you threw out to create it, and all the people you put in theater to orchestrate it, and the fact that you assassinated the head of the army and planned to get the other one to resign. Yeah, other than all of that, and you cutting off all their money and putting out a naval blockade, sure, you had nothing to do with it. American money fueled a drum roll of Chilean media criticism.

36:57 that coalesced around the Party of Liberty, which spearheaded the anti-Allende forces, which again are fascists, some of which are actual Nazis. The outcome of Chile's ultimately hinge on the armed forces, which they made sure that they had paid well and gave them all the weapons they needed.

37:31 American attaches were in the field with Chilean units. Several naval vessels were off the coast for a naval exercise during the coup. They were actually blockading. There was also at least one report of a Navy SEAL team landing in Chile. That's interesting.

38:03 As a result of this exercise, the U.S. deployed 32 aircraft to a nearby Argentine base in Minden. Finally, on the day of the coup, an electronics intelligence aircraft was flying overhead, providing relayed communications among the coup plotters and recording the entire thing for U.S. intelligence. That last action

38:35 would have been impossible unless they knew it was happening. As Kissinger spoke to the senators, anti-American protesters were demonstrating in Argentina to protest what everybody in South America knew to be the U.S.'s involvement in the coup. The only people that didn't know because our fucking government lies to us about everything was the people paying for it, you and I.

39:10 The Pinochet-Hunta immediately declared a state of siege and began widespread repression. It justified these actions by alleging that the military had acted to forestall a leftist coup. What? Mass arrests were immediate. They swept up anybody and everybody that had professed any support for the Allende presidency. Two sports stadiums.

39:43 were crammed with prisoners almost overnight. Jails were filled to overloading. Some enemies were shot on sight in the streets. The CIA station filed preliminary reports that more than 13,000 people had been arrested. Somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 had been killed immediately. There have been estimates that up to 80,000 were actually killed.

40:18 But in the later years, the numbers still were unknown because some people just disappeared. They had no idea what happened to them. The prisoners, roughly handled and singled out by hooded informers in scenes that might have come right out of the Battle of Algiers, existed in a state of complete terror. About two dozen American citizens had been caught up in the dragnet.

40:47 Some were freed quickly, other languished in Chilean hands for days and weeks. At least two Americans, Charles Horman and Frank Tarugi, died. They were tortured. They were killed, basically by the American government backing this coup. Tarugi's body was found by a CIA officer, James Anderson. Washington made little effort to seek explanations, apologies.

41:23 or even compensating the American family. Former Allende government senior officials were imprisoned on Dawson's Island at the far tip of the continent. It's a bleak and forbidding place, even during the good weather time. Mary Helen Spooner's study of Pinochet's regime contains excruciating accounts of how the wives of several officers, personal friends of

41:54 Pinochet, under the old order, begged him for the return of their husbands. One of the women, Isabelle Morel de Ladiere, wife of the former defense minister Orlando Ladiere, would see her husband again. Orlando came back almost exactly a year later. Her colleague, Moy de Touha, both had confronted Pinochet in his own office within a week of the coup.

42:24 would be brokenhearted. Her husband, former Interior and Defense Minister Jose Toha, perished in captivity. In the summer of 1975, almost two years after the coup, nearly half of the original prisoners on Dawson Island were still in captivity. So what Pinochet did was, on the payroll of the CIA,

42:50 he was basically taking notes of the senior military people that were supportive of Allende and acting as if he's their best friend. And after the coup, he went and rounded them all up. And all of the wives who had entertained these people, senior leaders in the military in Chile, based on some of the stories I've read,

43:16 All of them went to the officer's club. They all socialized over the weekend. And everybody in the senior ranks of the military was devastated that that guy had lived among them and turned out to be such a treasonous traitor. General Carlos Prats warned the junta would kill him, tried to telephone General Pinochet, only to be told he was unavailable.

43:45 Prats knew a setup when he saw one. The general took his wife, frowned loyal officers at a nearby Air Force base, and flew to a point near the Argentine border and escaped to freedom. In Buenos Aires, Prats began to work on a memoir to tell what had happened in Chile. The Chilean junta now began to build its own spook network.

44:17 ultimately creating a secret police called the DINA, thanks to USAID and the Office of Public Safety, because we've covered this extensively, along with the CIA. Colonel Manuel Quintero's Sepulveda, conceived as a Chilean version of the CIA, but focused on domestic matters, DINA, not just domestic, they deployed assassins all over the world.

44:48 Dena supplemented the intelligence units of the three armed services and created a counter-espionage unit. All of them played a central role in Pinochet's repression. Contreras quickly established a foreign operation entity called the Brigade Exterior. Among its first projects was the assassination of General Prats.

45:16 For a time, Prats enjoyed the protection of the Argentinian authorities, but in the summer of 1974, it was withdrawn. One night that September, explosives destroyed Prats' car as it entered the garage. Mrs. Prats burned to death. The general died from a severed leg and other injuries. This success encouraged Pinochet to inaugurate an even wider campaign against people inside and outside Chile.

45:45 He would hunt them down like dogs. Augusta Pinochet proved acutely sensitive to charges of being an American puppet. And he accepted aid without bending to Washington's views. That's a lie. He was a Washington puppet. He was doing exactly what they wanted him to do. This is Operation Condor, guys. Set up and participated in and equipped by the CIA.

46:15 These people were all trained at the School of Americas to include Pinochet, ran by the CIA and the U.S. Army. Simultaneously, the CIA, already subjected to intense inquiries regarding its activities in Chile, resolved to go slow with the new regime. I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time with this part. There remained ongoing covert actions approved as recently as a month before the coup. In February,

46:48 of 1974, the New York Times counterpart, associates were told that their subsidies were going to end. At about the same time, the 40 Committee considered a proposal to fund the Christian Democrat Party. They're not going to have an election there for 20 years, sorry. Kissinger comfortably rejected the suggestion because they had no intentions of getting rid of Pinochet.

47:17 David Poppers, the new ambassador to Chile, responded to a personal appeal from Eduardo Fry by requesting a final payment. It was approved in June. Some CIA officers, aghast at Pinochet's path, wished to turn against him the covert weapons that had used to get him there. Instead, the agency closed out operations in Santiago. Business done.

47:48 As Peter Kornblum, the closest observer of U.S. actions in Chile, writes, quote, now that Allende was dead, the rationale for covert actions to preserve Chile's democratic institutions no longer seemed important to U.S. policymakers, even as the regime that overthrew him was systematically dismantling every democratic institution in the entire country. But do you know what gets to stay? The mining ITT in PepsiCo.

48:19 The deputy director of the Central Intelligence, General Vernon Walters, came to Santiago in March of 74. With him were the brass of the Western Hemisphere Division. The Americans talked of help to Chilean. Excuse me. Sorry about that. Had to sneeze. Vernon Walters is in theater. They want to talk.

49:10 to Chile on foreign threats. That's rich. They are the foreign threat to the Chilean people. A new station chief came. Stuart Burton went on picnics with Colonel Contreras and within a year had recruited him as a CIA source. In other words, one of Pinochet's right-hand man is being paid by the CIA.

49:46 While they're murdering and rounding up people and putting them in black site prisons. They're on the CIA payroll. Just absolutely crazy. A special CIA team would stay on in Santiago training Nadina. Yes, the CIA trained them to torture, kidnap, and disappear people. They were actually there doing that when these same people they were training.

50:25 assassinated General Prats by blowing up his car and burning his wife alive. In the summer of 75, Contreras visited the U.S. twice. On both trips, he saw Vernon Walters. That October, Contreras hosted a conference in Santiago for the heads of the spy agencies in the Southern Cone. This is Operation Gladio. I guess this, or Condor. I guess this guy never heard of Operation Condor. They held.

50:59 a conference for Operation Condor. The convention, a month later, created a multinational subversive campaign. Oh, he did say it, Operation Condor. And actually, Operation Condor had already started. It was kicked off in Brazil in 1963 or 4. The intelligence agencies in Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia, and Chile, Brazil, Ecuador, and Peru.

51:35 We're all part of it. And as we have said in many other shows, this exact same apparatus to include a DINA version was set up in other South American countries to include Venezuela. They just don't formally recognize it as part of Operation Condor, but it had all of the same pieces. They all had Crypto AG as the encrypted communication.

52:06 They all had their secret police. They all had a national guard. They all had a national police that was set up. The CIA created their intelligence operations. They used, as a matter of fact, this is where we found Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. They all used IBM computers to track all the dissonance. The mainframe was called Snow White, and the Seven Dwarfs were put out in these different countries, all organized by the U.S. government.

52:37 There would be murders, attempted assassinations in Costa Rica, Mexico, France, Portugal, Argentina, and on the streets of Washington, D.C., where they killed Orlando Ladier when his car blew up in September 1976, along with an American citizen, Ronnie Moffitt, who died with them. And her husband suffered significant injuries.

53:09 The reluctance of the U.S. authorities to investigate the links between the Latier assassination and the DINA is a measure of the collusion between Washington and Chile. Condor became a terrorist network, a characterization only rendered stronger when DINA began working with the Cuban exiles, which some of them were actually finally arrested for Latier's. This is all Operation Gladiator.

53:41 The Cuban exiles are our gladio. They set this entire thing up using Nazis, literally using Nazis throughout South America. A number of victims has yet to be established, but incidences continued through the 1980s. Through this action in Chile, the CIA contributed to the inception of this horror. Not the inception, the maintenance of it.

54:16 Declassified documents show that the U.S. officially aware of the operations. As Condor proceeded, the CIA learned a great deal more from the sources in participating countries, and it never intervened to stop any of it because they were part of it. The U.S. agencies resisted the appropriate conclusion, as did Henry Kissinger, who actually visited Santiago in 76 for an OAS.

54:46 the Organization of American States, meeting and delivered a notable weak speech about human rights because they didn't give a shit about them. In particular, there is clear evidence that Larrier's assassination could have been prevented, but was not. The sad end of Washington's asserted intention to uphold democracy in Chile was to inaugurate a dictatorship that endured for the better part of two decades.

55:15 and brought terrorism to our country. The consequences of the Chilean adventure were perfectly visible at the time. Indeed, the CIA itself pointed them out. In June of 75, the National Intelligence Officer for Latin America issued a fresh national intelligence estimate on Chile.

55:38 The estimate observed Allende's ouster and death and the repression that followed provided fertile ground for an international campaign designed to discredit the military government and embarrass the U.S. Yeah, there was an international campaign to embarrass us, not we embarrassed ourselves. And everybody else is just reporting the truth. It gave Russia

56:08 The ability to exploit propaganda. No, no, no, no. It's not propaganda when it's the truth. Sorry, it's not. Russia, the Soviet Union at the time, pointed out that we overthrew that government. We were responsible for the deaths of all of those people. We meaning the CIA. And all they can say in the CIA estimate is, hey.

56:36 Russia and Cuba are taking advantage of what we did to create propaganda. It's not propaganda when it's the truth. They're reporting the truth. This national intelligence estimate also said, to many, Chile has replaced Vietnam as a cause celebre. Chile had become an international pariah at a heavy cost to its international political and economic interests.

57:06 Nixon and Kissinger gave their enemies this issue on a silver platter. Their actions now embroil the secret warriors in the political fight of their lives, not on some distant battlefield, but in the U.S. So that's it for today. And we didn't even talk about Colony of Dignity. That's going to get crazy. Yeah, this political party that we were talking about.

57:40 Those members, to include Nazis, are the ones that created the colony of dignity. And if you guys have never heard of that, look it up. This is a pedophile from Germany that was a Nazi that got caught with a whole bunch of kids in a quote-unquote orphanage with a church that he had set up and skedaddles, kind of like Jim Jones 1.0, to Chile.

58:09 And he buys this large piece of land and sets up this compound to include rabid dogs and everything else and runs this operation in Chile. And in the basement is padded, insulated cells where they torture people. And they have this huge hospital there where people said they were experimenting on people. They just basically had set up a Nazi compound inside of Chile.

58:37 And there were people from that organization that was part of that party that was the main players in the overthrow because they're the same Nazis that set up Operation Gladio in Europe. They just brought it to Operation Condor. And that's why I say Operation Condor is Operation Gladio in South America. So all a bunch of deviant bastards.

59:12 You'd be buried under nuclear waste. Yes. I saw Warhamster. What's up, Warhamster? You really want me to go first? Yeah. Well, I'm not going to talk about what you just got done discussing, although that's fascinating. And I agree that Condor is gladio. But I thought I had a couple of, you know, the lady hamster is out of town. Oh, no. I had a little bit of extra time, and I did some homework.

59:44 on a conversation we've had long ongoing, the colonel has asserted that every single one of these regime changes that we call communist was never communist. And I've maintained that there's a few exceptions to that. So I did some serious homework on that today. And you're going to love this. First of all, we're about 80 to 90 countries that we've regime changed since World War II. Yeah, so let me just clear something up here, since you're going to quote me.

1:00:14 What I have said is that the ones that I have researched, I have never said there weren't communists in a country. Number one, I said I don't even actually know what a communist is based on this research because they call unions communist as long as they don't control them. What I have said is there was never a communist threat to the point that was

1:00:44 articulated in the higher level State Department and CIA communications that warranted overthrowing a government because they were communist. So then the example that I always use is the Tudor party where they made up less than 4% of the Iranian population. And while Mossadegh was, and the same thing was true with Sukarno,

1:01:11 They wanted an inclusive government because there were those elements of people in their country. They were not communists themselves. Okay, now you can go. Thank you. And I'm not going to refute anything you just said or even try to because we're 99% on the same page on this. But you look at those 80 to 90 countries. You can't count Cuba because we didn't actually coup them, although they were Marxists. So toss out Cuba.

1:01:40 Afghanistan and Nicaragua, you can make an argument, but I'm not going to make that argument. I mean, the Afghans, the People's Democratic Party was communist and was Soviet-backed Marxist-Leninist, but we know about other influences on Afghanistan, so I'll toss them out. Nicaragua, the Sandinistas, we know about the Iran-Contra influence, so let's leave that out. But I did find one that you can't argue, and that's Granada.

1:02:09 Grenada, however you say it. Their people's revolutionary government, what's called the New Jewel Movement, was absolutely explicitly Marxist-Leninist, and we overthrew them in 1983. So I got one example. That's it. That's all I got. One out of 90. And can you tell me what he was doing in Grenada that warranted – it's Grenada, okay?

1:02:40 What was he doing that warranted his overthrow? Top of my head? Go ahead. You'll come up with it quicker than I have. I've got that. He actually wasn't doing anything. The entire premise of the overthrowing of Grenada was that our medical students was in imminent threat of being, I don't know.

1:03:10 taken prisoner. You can go back and read the articles, but they were in dire straits. They feared for their lives. The school that they were attending there was going to be attacked any minute. None of that was true. Every one of those medical students that were interviewed in the aftermath of this coup, violent coup actually, said they had no idea. Most of them didn't even know what was going on, that they had never been threatened.

1:03:40 And that there was literally nothing going on on that island before the army showed up. So what's interesting though, for Grenada prior to the, forget his name. What was his name? Warhamster? The guy they were through? Bishop. Maurice Bishop. Yeah. Before he was in charge, the guy right before him,

1:04:11 was trafficking weapons and drugs for the CIA. And I forget the guy's name. There's a island just north of there that they had an entire like warehousing complex set up that if I had known we were talking about this, I'd have got my notes out. But an island just north of there had some very famous CIA.

1:04:37 cut out people that they use all the time that had set up a warehouse there and they had basically been doing the same thing in Grenada and this new guy shut all of that down and they didn't want that capability to be taken offline.

1:04:58 So he had to go. So my argument would be they didn't take him out at all because he was communist because they actually don't give a shit about there being a totalitarian person in charge because they put one in charge in all of these coups. So that's kind of my point. And I guess I should articulate that a little better. I think we all collectively agree that fascists...

1:05:21 military dictatorships and communists are all on the same totalitarian end of the spectrum. Correct. That's the actual proper definition of left versus right. Left is 100% government, right? Yes. That is the proper definition. Okay. So can you explain to me, I will cede your point that this guy was a Marxist. Can you tell me in real people's...

1:05:50 daily lives, the difference between having a Marxist government and Pinochet. No, I'm not going to do that right now. We'll do that when we get into Fabian's because we're going to talk about the difference between socialism and Marxism. So let's leave that one hanging. But in reality, they do exactly the same thing. They have secret police. They control everything. And if you're a dissident, you're going to die. Yeah, for the most part.

1:06:17 That's authoritarianism, totalitarianism, all these isms by any – they're just different flavors of the same thing. So then, again, high level, tell me the difference between two islands and you have a – and go to Batista because we did overthrow Cuba and install Batista, who's a military dictatorship. So you tell me the difference between the island of Cuba under Batista and the island of –

1:06:48 Granada had Bishop been allowed to stay there. To the people there, not to us, to the people. To the people? Yeah. Very little. That's my point. But the point is, the real answer to your question is, what's the difference between the two? One works with the United States and the other one does not. Yes. So the only ones we attack are the ones that don't. And you don't have to be a communist.

1:07:13 For us to attack you, because Linde was not a communist. Sukarno wasn't a communist. So that's my whole point. It's just a name that they use. It has nothing to do with them being communist. They'll call you a communist just to kill you.

1:07:31 Well, it's all part of the Cold War scare-mongering and justification of all of our actions. Obviously, that's the case. We've always known that. Yes. I just wanted to know if there are actually Marxist roots or not, and so I did the homework, and there is some. There was one. And speaking of that one, this will crack you up. So the U.S. invasion of Grenada was in 1983. We sent about 7,500 troops.

1:07:56 The guy who got overthrown by Bishop was a guy by the name of who's running the island was Eric Gary, G-A-I-R-Y. What cracks me up is the name of the operation. It was called Operation Urgent Fury. Yes. Does that sound familiar at all? Yeah. Didn't we just do Epic Fury? Yeah. Uh-huh. They keep running the same script, although I'm very much in favor of getting rid of the mullahs.

1:08:24 We don't have to get into that, but I just thought it cracked me up that the name was so similar. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, that's what I got. I love when I can find one little chink in your armor. I don't think you did, but I understand your point. It was fun to talk about. We've been going back and forth on this for three years, and I had to do the homework. He found one. He found one. I got tiny little grenades, and that's all I got. All right.

1:08:58 I'll make sure I note that exception in the future. Sunshine, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. How are you doing? I just was listening to Warhamster's story, and I thought it was funny. I have a very good friend that was a ranger in 83. He went into Grenada. He was one of the first ones in there. And he said nobody there even knew why they were there. But they were there rescuing all the medical students. Yep.

1:09:27 based on CIA's confirmation that they were an imminent threat. And that's the conversation that I have with a lot of the SF guys that I talked to about Operation Gladio, is that for some of them, it's really hard to accept the fact that, you know, because they lose friends. In these operations, people died.

1:09:55 you find out that it was really just to rescue another pipeline that the CIA was using for nefarious operations. And whatever the intelligence that they were provided that made it such an imminent threat was all a lie. Yeah, that's the infuriating part. As I've said, I grew up on Air Force bases with a bunch of Vietnam vets and everything like that. And we all knew people that died in Vietnam.

1:10:25 And they never knew what they were fighting for. And you talk about Grenada. You and I have talked all the time about how most of these times we do our regime-shamed stuff, it's for the multinational corporations because we want to exploit the resources and the cheap labor. But Grenada didn't have resources or cheap labor. This was all about protecting a drug pipeline. And that's more disgusting than the already disgusting coups we've already talked about. But that was Laos. The entire Laos operation was drugs.

1:10:54 Yeah, and I told you the story that I used to date a beautiful woman whose father was a general in the Laotian army, and I know so many details about that, which I've been asked not to share too much. And that was a real communist. They were Marxists, the people who took over Laos, but it's the same damn thing. It was drug trafficking, the people who were in power. And yeah, the whole story of Laos is one of the worst of them all, I think. Well, the Laotian Laos that is the accused Marxist weren't even in charge.

1:11:24 You know, they still had the prints when we went in and basically was doing all of our initial shenanigans. So, yeah, the whole thing's bizarre. Yeah, we did the CIA assassination and our boy, it's not Shanky. Shank? Yeah, he actually got kicked out of it. He actually had to come to the Western Hemisphere after that little escapade.

1:11:51 And that's where he kicked off. I went to the Mexico City station chief, and that's a story about Burke Holder Smith. It's all connected. Yes. That's the important part. It's all connected. Yeah, it's all part of them doing things in our name for reasons they don't tell the truth about and which they never, ever should have had the authority to do in the first place. And nobody's ever been held accountable. And it really does have to stop. Yep. I agree.

1:12:23 I agree wholeheartedly. Anybody else have anything? I think Sean just required to ask for your mic. Sean, go ahead. Hi, Colonel. I just wanted to ask you, in relation to the CIA, and they've been involved in a lot of wars since World War II, you know, Korea and Vietnam and all of that, 9-11, we all know about that.

1:13:00 I was just wondering what their current status is with regard to the very latest war, the war against Iran. I mean, what is the CIA's involvement in that? Well, we don't know. That's the problem. For those of us, you know, you have to wait 30 years until things are declassified to even figure out what's going on. There's no way to verify what they're doing.

1:13:29 reported, as far as leading up to it, that, and again, you can't talk just CIA because you have to talk MI6, Mossad, and all of them. They had operatives all throughout Iran. They've had them there since the initial overthrow. These embedded people

1:13:55 Unless their cover's blown, they don't go anywhere. They're just, because they assimilate into the local area. And they were all embedded down in the tribal area. They were in the tribal area from the 1950s.

1:14:14 And these relationships are long-term. They keep people on their payroll and they keep milking information out of them. And you have only to point out that the French was intimately involved in their nuclear program in Iran. The mullahs had hundreds of millions of dollars of real estate in the UK.

1:14:43 Um, and if you're actually opposed to, and you know, a lot of their kids are in the United States. Knowingly, we knew that they were the kids of the senior people in the IRGC. How'd they get in the United States? How did any of their family members get here? They get here by the CIA. And they set up these, these diasporas where they, um,

1:15:12 are creating propaganda all over. So they'll get one Dyspora that promotes the return of the Shah, and they'll get another Dyspora that promotes the craziness here, and it's all in line with the strategy of tension. So whichever one that the CIA wants to use, they have access to both. Colonel, can I address Sean's question? Sure.

1:15:43 We've known for a long time that Mossad has an incredibly sophisticated spy network inside of Iran, and most of it's human intelligence. But the SIGINT, signal intelligence, is NSA and Space Force. We know where every single car is in that country right now. We've got satellites just totally focused on that. But most of the intel, who are we going to take out, when are we going to take them out, who's meeting with who?

1:16:11 That's Mossad at its finest, and they have been infiltrating the Iranian regime for decades. And they're really good at what they do, Mossad is. And a ton of what we got came from there, but it's a combination of the two. I don't think the CIA has many boots on the ground in Iran. They're a little bit clumsy, whereas Mossad has a little bit more stealth. At least that's been my impression over years of reading this stuff. You'll see.

1:16:39 We'll probably find out on our deathbed in 40 or 50 years that, you know, most of that probably had somebody sitting right to the left of there. I told her the whole time. I don't think the CIA is as clumsy as that. I know that the media likes to present that and we have accepted that as a fact. But when you go back and you look at these things in depth, they're not as clumsy as one.

1:17:09 would, once you understand how infiltrated they are into these things and all of the different mechanisms, whether it's reporters, aid, the Peace Corps, they're not as clumsy as they're portrayed in the media.

1:17:34 Well, there's an advantage to being Mossad because you're focused on fewer regions and you have very dedicated, more specialized operations. Whereas the CIA is trying to be all things to all people all over the world. They're going to expose themselves more often by definition just because operations go bad. Things get exposed. Mossad is far more focused. The CIA has got a really broad mandate.

1:18:04 20 or 30 times bigger, but most not as great at what they do and where they do it. Yep. No argument there. Sunshine, go ahead. Do you also think they always have their sacrificial lamb? They're going to throw out there at the minute, you know, anything is on the radar, you know, like you're talking about the news, it make them look like bumbling fools. They always have their Barney fife to throw out there ready to go. Yes. Not only do they have their Barney fife,

1:18:35 as far as an agent goes. And they have gladly thrown them under the bus repeatedly. But they also view everybody in theater, their cutouts as expendable. And they know it, which is why they're paid so well. They'll walk away from anybody. And everybody knows that going in. That's why you have people that like...

1:19:06 Some of the people that have been caught, the guy that was shot down over Indonesia, despite having a strip search, getting into a U-2 aircraft, they will carry their, because they don't want to be that person that gets thrown under the bus and just written off as not being affiliated with the U.S. because their own people don't trust them.

1:19:35 Because they know exactly what the CIA will do because they tell you. They tell you you are operating under a plausible deniability mission and that you can't do anything to expose the CIA if you're caught. And again, that's why they pay them so much money to do the paramilitary operations. But there have been people that have defied.

1:20:02 mandate, and they were then known in the press as CIA flying those missions. Why are you so mad? Go ahead. I would even go as far as to say that operatives in the field for the CIA, they're extremely expendable and will be eliminated to fulfill a narrative for the CIA. That's all I'll say.

1:20:39 Sean, go ahead. Yeah, I was just wondering, what is the philosophy, the overarching philosophy of the CIA? Or do they have one even as an organization? Are they atheists? Are they materialists? Do they believe in nothing? Are they theists? I don't think you...

1:21:04 Yeah, I don't think you can say that about the entire organization. The only thing that you can say about the entire organization is they're a Praetorian guard for the oligarchs to go in and overthrow governments that don't want to play with the oligarchs. It would be a misstatement to try to say an entire organization operates under an atheist banner.

1:21:33 There are, you know, thousands and thousands of people in the CIA. You can't group them into a religious, and that's the problem. We've been taught to try to pigeonhole things in that manner. You can't put them in a box. There's no nice box to put a bow on. The overarching

1:21:58 proven, not in what they say they do, but what they have actually done is they go in and overthrow any government that doesn't wanna play with the overarching mandate of this international syndicate that wants one world government and to control all the resources being in the ground and the people walking on the ground. They wanna control it all. And if you're going to do that, you have to have something

1:22:27 like the intelligence organizations that appear to not work for you for plausible deniability, appear to work for a sovereign government, which they do not, because they have defied sovereign government's mandates repeatedly. Yeah, Colonel, if I can just add to what you just said. First of all, you have to understand that the CIA is a gigantic umbrella corporation.

1:22:56 Compartmentalization is a big part. So let's say you're sent to, I don't know, Sri Lanka, and that's your theater. You're going to care about your mission in Sri Lanka. You're not going to know what's going on all over the place until you need to know. Nobody knows the whole big picture besides a handful, I don't know how many of them are, that are part of the whole planning and stuff like that. Everything's on a need-to-know basis. It's mission-specific. An awful lot of the people that work for the CIA are absolutely American patriots in their own minds.

1:23:25 They think what they're doing is to protect the security of the United States. And that goes back to the 50s when they thought they were fighting communism. These people were well-intentioned, but they didn't know the big picture. And that is exactly the way it's a top-down management structure. It really is a corporate structure, and you don't need to know what the left hand is doing if you're the right hand until you need to know. And that's why some of the stuff we know is because of those conflicts.

1:23:52 Because somebody was thinking they were doing the right thing and found out differently. And so to be able to say what's their underlying belief, you have to go back to the founding. And, you know, originally when the National Security Act was written in 1947, it was only supposed to be an intelligence-gathering agency. It had nothing to do with covert operations. Well, that changed really quickly. And now we're going to actually actively use our, you know, influence and power, might, and all the other little tools they have to...

1:24:22 do things that the American government could never admit they would do. And then they started spreading out, realizing, well, the CIA can't admit they're doing these things, so we're going to start using operatives that aren't part of the CIA, NGOs, things like the National Endowment for Democracy, etc. So this web is gigantic, and not everybody knows. In fact, most don't even know what the whole picture is. But they do answer to the call. They do answer the instructions of organizations like, first of all, the Council of Foreign Relations.

1:24:53 That became the Trilateral Commission. There's a few, you know, people in dark, smoky rooms are the ones who actually make the decisions on policy, CIA actions. And, of course, the military-industrial complex definitely has a big seat in that room. And so what's their overall overarching goal? Well, it's mixed. There's mixed motivations. But at the end of the day, it's about American hegemony. And, you know, I don't know. I'll stop there.

1:25:21 So they're just part of the bureaucracy. That's what you're saying. I would say that they're a runaway appendage of the bureaucracy at this point. The government actually, the people that the CIA works for are the same people your politicians work for. That's the international syndicate that stands above it all. And that's why you get into the strategy of tension, them trying to make America split between the right and the left, all these things. But there is this shadow state above it all. Those are the ones who give the orders.

1:25:51 And most people don't understand the plan. Most of the operatives, even to a very high level, don't understand the real big picture. Yeah, I couldn't even say that they're part of the bureaucracy. They stand apart from any act, because to me, the bureaucracy is governmental. These people are extra governmental. They don't actually work.

1:26:20 So I understand and we all understand that there's an org chart that shows that they supposedly are under the DNI reporting to the National Security Council and then to the president. But there's actually no line. And I believe there's a line between Director Radcliffe and the DNI now. But in the past, there was no line there.

1:26:49 It sits on that org chart, but there's not even a line connecting it to the bureaucracy. They operated as their own entity because we have documented instances where even though the president had literally no knowledge, and the most glaring one is JFK's assassination. JFK is not going to order his own assassination. And the CIA was...

1:27:18 deeply implicated in his assassination. They were not working on behalf of a bureaucracy. They weren't working on behalf of the executive branch or anybody in it. And that's why it was so important for the CIA to be able to self-fund through their trafficking operations. Because if Congress held the purse strings, you have oversight. But if the CIA is self-funding through trafficking operations, you can't control their money.

1:27:48 They've got more than enough. And there's no oversight if you don't control the purse strings. And even when they control the purse strings, the majority, and this book has documented time after time after time, when the senators would meet a CIA guy in the hallway coming to brief him and say, just tell me how much you want. I don't want to know what you're going to do with it. What was that movie with Tom Hanks with Afghanistan?

1:28:19 Harry Wilson's war, is that it? Charlie, Charlie. Yeah, and it's funny. Once again, they showed us that, oh, the CIA needs to get Congress's permission. Well, we know for a fact that they were operating even without Congress's permission. They might have maybe had to get some money funded from Congress, but they still would have done the same thing even if Charlie Wilson had never existed. They even hide that part.

1:28:47 When they wanted to do the U-2, a lot of the money for the U-2 and the SR-71 was actually an ox cart was funneled through the Air Force. And who knew what? I don't know. But I know the National Security Council knew. I know the chief of the Air Force knew what was going on. But who else knew? They just thought it was a classified.

1:29:14 Air Force program. They didn't know those aircraft was being created for the CIA. It's just so nefarious. Every part of it is so nefarious. All of the smokes and mirrors that is involved in this. And that's not even talking about what Warhamster just talked about, about their independent funding. And the Iran-Contra, the Boland Amendment was specifically passed.

1:29:43 So to prohibit any CIA funding of the Contras. And they just literally ignored it. So it is an extra-governmental agency at this point in time. Yes. And that's scary. That's rogue. They went rogue, I don't know, I want to say as far back as 53. You know, that's been that way ever since. And of course, you know what happens when they start committing international crimes. You can never admit it.

1:30:19 You basically spend the next seven decades covering up your previous crimes with more crimes. See, I'm going to disagree with you. They were rogue from the beginning. And Operation Gladio clearly articulates that. The reason I say they weren't rogue in Gladio is because that was a fully sanctioned operation. We don't know that, especially originally. So I don't know how much was known about Operation Sunrise.

1:30:48 because Operation Sunrise, while Alan Dulles said he was there as an emissary from FDR, no one has ever been able to produce a piece of paper that ties FDR to Sunrise. So I don't know what FDR knew and what he didn't know. I know that people like McCoy and them guys knew, but I don't know about FDR. I know that Truman,

1:31:18 almost immediately wrote the 40, whatever it is, 4512-2, whatever that one is, that National Security Action Memorandum that gave them the authority to do the covert operation. But I don't know, again, how much Truman knew about the Gladio thing because

1:31:43 Most of that was the funding for that was a covert line in the Marshall Plan and the Roosevelt's until they got their hands around Shane Kyshek's drug empire, which a lot of that money was funneled into that. So again, they were rogue because Operation Gladio started immediately. You know, it never...

1:32:11 It was a thing before the CIA was even created. Yeah, they were operating straight from the OSS. They never stopped operations, and they had to get it formalized. What was interesting under Truman, the initial first year or so of the CIA, Truman's from St. Louis. He had this St. Louis gang around him, and these guys were relatively reasonable operators.

1:32:38 They got usurped so quickly by the Alan Dulles faction, like within a year or two. And that's why, to me, that was the shift from the St. Louis gang to the Dulles gang. And, you know, you have to go back to the Doolittle Commission. That's a long conversation. But there was certainly a change between what the National Security Act empowered them to do and what they were doing a year or two later.

1:33:03 So there was a shift that happened there somewhere where Truman, St. Louis guys – I'll go dig up my notes next time we have this conversation because there's a couple of fascinating things. And I have yet to get to the actual bottom of how the coup took place. But I suspect the colonel is right that they just took the OSS operations, the drug running out of China with Chiang Kai-shek, and they just continued their operations because they realized, oh, well, this is too good to let go of. And they couldn't – they did not want to have their wings clipped.

1:33:39 Yeah. Okay. Let me look over here on the live chat. Eureka Springs. I don't understand why so many people don't use the word coos more often because that's part of the control of language.

1:34:03 if everybody used consistently the word coup and stopped using all of the made up words for that, you would be able to find them all. And I've given this example multiple times that if you look up CIA coups on the internet, it'll give you the preponderance of them, not all of them, but the preponderance of them. But if you go back and you use a word that the...

1:34:27 they've conditioned people to start using called color revolutions, which is why I refuse to use it. The only thing you're going to find is ones that are specifically called that. And that's on purpose. They don't want you to see everything. So they just periodically change what they're called. And that's a control of the language. And when you control the language, you control what people can find, even when they think they're doing extensive research.

1:34:54 So it definitely needs to be used exactly what it is. And that's something that I noticed early on in this research is it can be, they do that with government organizations and other things that they like periodically changing the names of things. So you psychologically think that, oh, that thing like School of America's, oh, it went away. No, it didn't. It still exists. It's called the hemispheric.

1:35:25 something something school on Fort Benning. They just moved it. It's the exact same thing. They're doing the exact same thing that they were doing back then. So, yeah. Travis, go ahead. A short version of what the CIA and also MI6, SAPO, all the others are, they were all founded as the enforcement branch for the oligarchs.

1:35:56 None of them work for the countries that they're located in. They never have. Yeah. And you can look at all the Western intelligence agencies, look at who, who, when they were first being founded, who supplied them with the latest tech that they used. And think,

1:36:29 Okay, if you're an oligarch, you want to give your enforcers, the CIA, a backdoor to everything. Are you really going to just give them the back, you know, give your lower, your mid-level guys the backdoor and not have one for yourself when you're the world's biggest control freak? Right. Yeah.

1:37:01 And Tara over on Rumble, thank you. She wished me a happy birthday weekend. We're going to be going to a car show up in Madison on Saturday. And I'm looking forward to that. There's going to be a whole bunch of Camaros going through all of these small towns on the way up. We're not going to do any interstate.

1:37:27 uh, up through the countryside on the Western part of Florida up there. Um, it's about a five hour drive. Um, so, and we have our Camaro back and it's all bright and shiny and it looks beautiful. So, um, thank God for that. Miss Lou, go ahead. Miss Lou.

1:37:49 I'm sorry. I was actually sending you a happy birthday DM and couldn't get out of it. Anyway, my question was, what do you think they've renamed the USAID as? Well, they haven't named it anything. It has the actual aid.

1:38:10 which I wish they'd do away with. I don't think we need to be sending anybody anything when we're almost $40 trillion in debt, but they've completely revamped the way that is being done. There's not going to be any NGOs in the middle of it. Just to your point.

1:38:27 The way that it worked, it was just basically a money laundering operation for U.S. oligarchs because all of the contracts that were written were written for U.S. companies to basically go over there and do something. And it was never doing what the actual contract was for or what the title of it was.

1:38:50 That's all gone now. And the way they're going to do it is bilaterally, country by country, to work with the governments of those countries in order to, and weirdly enough, and I know this is going to piss off Warhamster, but it's almost going to look exactly like the Belt and Road projects because we're getting rid of all the cutouts in the middle. And we're going to be,

1:39:20 dealing directly with the country itself. Now, unfortunately, our government thinks that we have all of this money, which we don't have. And a lot of it gets done in grants as opposed to loans. But that's basically what they're going to do. They're not going to be doing these overarching area kind of operations where one...

1:39:47 One company like Brown and Root or whatever is going to go in and do like an entire region. They're going to be dealing with government to government and setting up programs one-on-one. Wow, another way to do waste, fraud, and abuse. Just a different way to do it. Yeah, I don't think that's what it is, but whatever. We'll see how much turnover there is in the State Department, at least permanent.

1:40:21 apparatchiks that are part of the State Department have been facilitating this for decades. Something tells me they're just trying to wait out the Trump administration and we'll see what happens. There has been some turnover, but not nearly enough. I agree. Yeah, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. Yeah, I agree. Colonel, you would be able to verify this. Word had it that even recently,

1:40:48 that John Brennan still had an amazing power effect, let's put it that way, I don't know what else to call it, over the IC. Is that true? Well, first of all, I don't know. I don't have contacts inside of the intelligence community. I mean, I have friends that work there, but there's no way to gauge.

1:41:14 The way you have to look at that, and I've said this many times, is the mid-level and senior levels of the intelligence apparatus are in place based on the last 20 years, not just Brennan's tenure, of former CIA directors. And so there's a lot of people.

1:41:43 that even though they formally retire from the CIA, they're immediately put back on contract to the CIA. That broadens the amount of influence that they have in the national security structure. So I think it's fair to say that he has satellites, acolytes, people that he has.

1:42:11 personally oversaw their career development still existing inside the intelligence. But you have to caveat that with anybody that has any known association with him is looked at.

1:42:31 very skeptical under the current administration. And we have seen time after time with the rewrites of some of the intelligence estimates that have been released in their original version and then the rewrite of them based on what the actual intelligence was. So I think they're systematically exposing who those people are.

1:42:59 And those people are definitely being kept at arm's length with the current administration leadership. Thank you. One can pray. Yeah. Yeah. Agree. You got to start somewhere. All right. Anything else? No. All right. We're out of here. You guys take care. Have a great evening.

1:43:35 And I'm not going to have a show tomorrow because we will be traveling up there. If I have time while I'm up there, I am going to do a premium one just so that we can get those out of the way. But I have no idea what the schedule is. We will be during the day on Saturday at the car show that they're hosting up there as a part of this whole thing. So anyway.

1:44:00 Colonel, send us a beauty shot or post a beauty shot of your Camaro. Sure. Seriously. I will. I will. Absolutely. All right. I had my nails done. If you guys are on Rumble, this is the color. I have a nail polish at my nail salon that I go to that's the exact color of my husband's car. So I'm already ready. So you guys have a nice evening. Take care.

Entities here

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Henry Kissinger ordered_assassination_of Salvador Allende book_quoted ▶ 2:01

“And we left off with November, the meeting of the 40 committee under the Nixon administration with Kissinger discussing covert actions. Henry Kissinger told Nixon on November 25th that the plan includ…”

Richard Nixon ordered_assassination_of Salvador Allende book_quoted ▶ 2:01

Raymond Warren member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 6:27

“At the CIA station in Chilean's capital, Hexter had been replaced by Raymond Warren about a month later after this initial stuff was happening. Quite familiar with Chile, where he had spent five years…”

Donald Winters member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 7:27

“including Don Winters, who stayed on as deputy chief, who had also served in Guatemala and Nicaragua under Somoza. New additions included Frederick Latrash, L-A-T-R-A-S-H. He was there posing as USAID…”

Jack Devine member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 8:02

“That's La Trash. From Washington came Jack Devine. He was going to be in charge of media operations. James Anderson, whose cover was as a consular officer for the embassy. Holdovers included John Tipt…”

Henry Kissinger removed_from_power Nathaniel Davis book_quoted ▶ 9:08

“towards Allende and not push him away from the U.S. Kissinger wanted Corey out right away, and he wanted the failure to prevent Allende's victory associated with the state house and blame it on Corey,…”

Henry Kissinger covered_up 1970 Chilean Presidential Election book_quoted ▶ 10:36

“In April of 71, Ambassador Corey completed a report on the failed election operation, which presumably dotted I's and crossed T's. On Haig's instruction, Kissinger's NSC staff handled the report outsi…”

Nathaniel Davis member_of U.S. State Department book_quoted ▶ 11:08

“That October, Corey's ride came to an end. His successor, career diplomat Nathaniel Davis, proved an acute observer but had a limited role. Economic assistance halted. USAID funds were all shut off. T…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Augusto Pinochet book_quoted ▶ 11:36

“Funds for the Chilean military, on the other hand, were continued and increased because they're using the military under Pinochet to foment the upcoming overthrow of the government. As Chile's economi…”

CIA funded El Mercurio book_quoted ▶ 12:07

“That's their New York Times that basically the CIA has taken over. In the fall of 71, that became the focus of Kissinger and the 40 Committee. Based on a new CIA proposal, Nixon administration approve…”

International Telephone and Telegraph spied_on Chile book_quoted ▶ 13:39

“bugged the Chilean embassy in Washington. Now don't forget, and no author ever mentions this, Chile not only was being eavesdropped on by ITT Telephone and Telegraph, but they had Crypto AG too. So al…”

Crypto AG spied_on Chile book_quoted ▶ 13:39

American Institute for Free Labor Development front_for CIA book_quoted ▶ 19:12

“the 1980s under National Endowment for Democracy. The country director for Chile, Robert J. O'Neill, acknowledged in retirement that the entire time he was in Chile pretending to work for the American…”

Robert J. O'Neill member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 19:12

Ted Shackley member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 20:48

“The division that's handling all of this in May of 1972 was embroiled in the Chilean from the start. Shackley opened a direct channel to the publisher of El Mercurio, the New York Times, through Austi…”

CIA spied_on Chile book_quoted ▶ 22:48

“But the CIA had Santiago wired for sound. Again, crypto AG, guys. A coup was so likely that Shackley, again, ordered Ray Warren to reduce contact with the Chilean military to avoid the CIA being outed…”

CIA funded Patria y Libertad book_quoted ▶ 23:46

“Some of them also went to a group called Fatherland and Liberty. That was basically their version of Operation Condor inside of Chile. They were so extreme that they were basically fascist, but they p…”

Ted Shackley headed CIA book_quoted ▶ 24:18

“In June, Ted Shackley moved up to the deputy director of operations, replacing Bill Colby. His successor was David Phillips. Only 10 months into a tour in Venezuela, it seemed Phillips was always bein…”

Henry Kissinger removed_from_power Ted Shackley book_quoted ▶ 24:18

David Atlee Phillips succeeded Ted Shackley book_quoted ▶ 24:18

William Colby succeeded Ted Shackley book_quoted ▶ 24:18

CIA funded 1972 Chilean truckers' strike book_quoted ▶ 25:44

“Decades later, it remained impossible to say how many truckers and miners were able to sustain a year-long series of walkouts with their livelihoods intact. So rumors at the time were that the striker…”

American Institute for Free Labor Development funded 1972 Chilean truckers' strike book_quoted ▶ 26:14

“American Institute for Free Labor Development was accused of passing money. State and CIA officials denied this to Congress. Dave Phillips also said that the CIA was not involved in that. But of cours…”

Patria y Libertad carried_out_attack Salvador Allende book_quoted ▶ 27:16

“since they assassinated the other guy, was General Carlos Prats, P-R-A-T-S. As his political difficulties grew, Allende bought military loyalty in part by bringing Prats into his government. On June 2…”

CIA funded Patria y Libertad book_quoted ▶ 27:44

“Where was that name? Fatherland and Liberty. They were backed by the CIA. Even though the CIA initially denied that they had anything to do with them, that's not true. And oh, by the way, that's where…”

Augusto Pinochet succeeded Carlos Prats book_quoted ▶ 29:21

“had a good line on the general, meaning they had already established a relationship. By September of 72, Pinochet had expressed the view that Allende had lost his ability to lead. The general served a…”

CIA spied_on Chile book_quoted ▶ 30:53

“His cable written into a report went to Nixon and Kissinger on September 10th. Devine became the first to have correct information and the attaches in Santiago had reported the impending coup on Septe…”

Augusto Pinochet overthrew Salvador Allende documented ▶ 32:21

“Officers staffed the lookout and an open phone line. General Pinochet led the coup and became the chief of the junta that wrestled control from the Chilean government. By mid-afternoon, it was over. L…”

Henry Kissinger covered_up 1973 Chilean coup d'état book_quoted ▶ 34:47

“including within the Washington Special Action Group, which was a bold-faced lie. He also told him that the CIA had absolutely nothing to do with the coup and that he knew nothing about the Chilean ac…”

Henry Kissinger ordered_assassination_of Salvador Allende host_asserted ▶ 35:52

“Kissinger told the senators that he had said to Ambassador Davis some days before in discussing reports of coup plotting, quote, just make sure none of our embassy personnel has anything to do directl…”

CIA funded 1973 Chilean coup d'état host_asserted ▶ 36:24

“minus the tens of millions of dollars that you threw out to create it, and all the people you put in theater to orchestrate it, and the fact that you assassinated the head of the army and planned to g…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Chile host_asserted ▶ 36:57

“that coalesced around the Party of Liberty, which spearheaded the anti-Allende forces, which again are fascists, some of which are actual Nazis. The outcome of Chile's ultimately hinge on the armed fo…”

United States carried_out_attack Chile host_asserted ▶ 37:31

“American attaches were in the field with Chilean units. Several naval vessels were off the coast for a naval exercise during the coup. They were actually blockading. There was also at least one report…”

Augusto Pinochet overthrew Salvador Allende documented ▶ 39:10

“The Pinochet-Hunta immediately declared a state of siege and began widespread repression. It justified these actions by alleging that the military had acted to forestall a leftist coup. What? Mass arr…”

CIA funded Augusto Pinochet host_asserted ▶ 42:50

“he was basically taking notes of the senior military people that were supportive of Allende and acting as if he's their best friend. And after the coup, he went and rounded them all up. And all of the…”

Brigade Exterior assassinated Carlos Prats documented ▶ 44:48

“Dena supplemented the intelligence units of the three armed services and created a counter-espionage unit. All of them played a central role in Pinochet's repression. Contreras quickly established a f…”

CIA funded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 45:45

“He would hunt them down like dogs. Augusta Pinochet proved acutely sensitive to charges of being an American puppet. And he accepted aid without bending to Washington's views. That's a lie. He was a W…”

CIA recruited Manuel Contreras documented ▶ 49:10

“to Chile on foreign threats. That's rich. They are the foreign threat to the Chilean people. A new station chief came. Stuart Burton went on picnics with Colonel Contreras and within a year had recrui…”

CIA trained Dirección de Inteligencia Nacional host_asserted ▶ 49:46

“While they're murdering and rounding up people and putting them in black site prisons. They're on the CIA payroll. Just absolutely crazy. A special CIA team would stay on in Santiago training Nadina. …”

Dirección de Inteligencia Nacional assassinated Orlando Letelier documented ▶ 52:37

“There would be murders, attempted assassinations in Costa Rica, Mexico, France, Portugal, Argentina, and on the streets of Washington, D.C., where they killed Orlando Ladier when his car blew up in Se…”

CIA covered_up Assassination of Orlando Letelier host_asserted ▶ 53:09

“The reluctance of the U.S. authorities to investigate the links between the Latier assassination and the DINA is a measure of the collusion between Washington and Chile. Condor became a terrorist netw…”

Henry Kissinger covered_up Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 54:16

“Declassified documents show that the U.S. officially aware of the operations. As Condor proceeded, the CIA learned a great deal more from the sources in participating countries, and it never intervene…”

United States overthrew Maurice Bishop documented ▶ 1:02:09

“Grenada, however you say it. Their people's revolutionary government, what's called the New Jewel Movement, was absolutely explicitly Marxist-Leninist, and we overthrew them in 1983. So I got one exam…”

United States installed Fulgencio Batista documented ▶ 1:06:17

“That's authoritarianism, totalitarianism, all these isms by any – they're just different flavors of the same thing. So then, again, high level, tell me the difference between two islands and you have …”

CIA carried_out_attack Grenada host_asserted ▶ 1:08:58

“I'll make sure I note that exception in the future. Sunshine, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. How are you doing? I just was listening to Warhamster's story, and I thought it was funny. I have a very good frie…”

CIA covered_up Grenada Invasion host_asserted ▶ 1:09:55

“you find out that it was really just to rescue another pipeline that the CIA was using for nefarious operations. And whatever the intelligence that they were provided that made it such an imminent thr…”

CIA trafficked Laos host_asserted ▶ 1:10:25

“And they never knew what they were fighting for. And you talk about Grenada. You and I have talked all the time about how most of these times we do our regime-shamed stuff, it's for the multinational …”

CIA member_of Mossad host_asserted ▶ 1:13:29

“reported, as far as leading up to it, that, and again, you can't talk just CIA because you have to talk MI6, Mossad, and all of them. They had operatives all throughout Iran. They've had them there si…”

CIA spied_on Iran host_asserted ▶ 1:13:29

CIA member_of IRGC host_asserted ▶ 1:14:43

“Um, and if you're actually opposed to, and you know, a lot of their kids are in the United States. Knowingly, we knew that they were the kids of the senior people in the IRGC. How'd they get in the Un…”

CIA member_of U.S. Air Force host_asserted ▶ 1:15:43

“We've known for a long time that Mossad has an incredibly sophisticated spy network inside of Iran, and most of it's human intelligence. But the SIGINT, signal intelligence, is NSA and Space Force. We…”

Mossad spied_on Iran host_asserted ▶ 1:15:43

CIA member_of Peace Corps host_asserted ▶ 1:17:09

“would, once you understand how infiltrated they are into these things and all of the different mechanisms, whether it's reporters, aid, the Peace Corps, they're not as clumsy as they're portrayed in t…”

CIA member_of National Security Council documented ▶ 1:23:52

“Because somebody was thinking they were doing the right thing and found out differently. And so to be able to say what's their underlying belief, you have to go back to the founding. And, you know, or…”

CIA member_of CFR host_asserted ▶ 1:24:22

“do things that the American government could never admit they would do. And then they started spreading out, realizing, well, the CIA can't admit they're doing these things, so we're going to start us…”

CIA member_of National Endowment for Democracy host_asserted ▶ 1:24:22

CIA member_of Trilateral Commission host_asserted ▶ 1:24:53

“That became the Trilateral Commission. There's a few, you know, people in dark, smoky rooms are the ones who actually make the decisions on policy, CIA actions. And, of course, the military-industrial…”

CIA member_of National Security Council host_asserted ▶ 1:26:20

“So I understand and we all understand that there's an org chart that shows that they supposedly are under the DNI reporting to the National Security Council and then to the president. But there's actu…”

CIA member_of U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:27:48

“They've got more than enough. And there's no oversight if you don't control the purse strings. And even when they control the purse strings, the majority, and this book has documented time after time …”

CIA member_of U.S. Air Force host_asserted ▶ 1:28:47

“When they wanted to do the U-2, a lot of the money for the U-2 and the SR-71 was actually an ox cart was funneled through the Air Force. And who knew what? I don't know. But I know the National Securi…”

CIA member_of SR-71 host_asserted ▶ 1:28:47

CIA member_of U-2 program host_asserted ▶ 1:28:47

CIA funded SR-71 host_asserted ▶ 1:28:47

CIA funded U-2 program host_asserted ▶ 1:28:47

CIA member_of Contras documented ▶ 1:29:14

“Air Force program. They didn't know those aircraft was being created for the CIA. It's just so nefarious. Every part of it is so nefarious. All of the smokes and mirrors that is involved in this. And …”

CIA member_of Boland Amendments documented ▶ 1:29:14

CIA funded Contras documented ▶ 1:29:14

CIA member_of National Security Action Memorandum 4512-2 documented ▶ 1:31:18

“almost immediately wrote the 40, whatever it is, 4512-2, whatever that one is, that National Security Action Memorandum that gave them the authority to do the covert operation. But I don't know, again…”

CIA funded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:31:43

“Most of that was the funding for that was a covert line in the Marshall Plan and the Roosevelt's until they got their hands around Shane Kyshek's drug empire, which a lot of that money was funneled in…”

CIA member_of Marshall Plan host_asserted ▶ 1:31:43

Chiang Kai-shek trafficked China host_asserted ▶ 1:33:03

“So there was a shift that happened there somewhere where Truman, St. Louis guys – I'll go dig up my notes next time we have this conversation because there's a couple of fascinating things. And I have…”

CIA trafficked China host_asserted ▶ 1:33:03

CIA member_of School of the Americas host_asserted ▶ 1:35:25

“something something school on Fort Benning. They just moved it. It's the exact same thing. They're doing the exact same thing that they were doing back then. So, yeah. Travis, go ahead. A short versio…”

CIA funded USAID host_asserted ▶ 1:38:27

“The way that it worked, it was just basically a money laundering operation for U.S. oligarchs because all of the contracts that were written were written for U.S. companies to basically go over there …”

CIA member_of USAID host_asserted ▶ 1:38:27

CIA laundered_money_for United States host_asserted ▶ 1:38:27

CIA member_of Belt and Road Initiative host_asserted ▶ 1:38:50

“That's all gone now. And the way they're going to do it is bilaterally, country by country, to work with the governments of those countries in order to, and weirdly enough, and I know this is going to…”