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United States carried_out_attack Grenada documented
“Lastly, the question of why Cuba or the Soviet Union would have needed Grenada as a springboard for their dastardly deeds in Latin America when there was already Cuba seems a little odd. After the invasion, after the overthrow of the Grenad…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 40:36
United States carried_out_attack Grenada documented
“So there was that. Now, as for the invasion itself, 2,000 American Marines and paratroopers the first day, by week's end, 7,000 on the island, even more waiting offshore. Planes bombing everything, destroying all manner of structures, inclu…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 58:58
William Casey exposed Grenada documented
“of terrorists come to find out when you actually look into the records of what they found there was a bunch of old like relic munitions and documents discovered by the american military allegedly showed that cubans were planning to put thei…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 32:35
Grenada member_of United Kingdom documented
“Gladio-ish is the stuff that happens prior to what he covers in the book, but it kind of is along the same line. So I'm going to cover the part that I know from prior research. And for those of you who don't know, Grenada was a colony of th…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 1:05
Le Cercle targeted_for_regime_change Grenada host_asserted
“This planning document, which was also handed to Prime Minister Thatcher, suggested the certain peripheral countries that needed to be attacked. You will not find it at all surprising once I name these countries. Grenada, Angola, Seychelles…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Transnational Anticommunism&Cold War Part 10 @ 37:21
Ronald Reagan carried_out_attack Grenada host_asserted
“They overthrew Seychelles. They tried to overthrow Nicaragua. And Cuba was just a repeat every single day attempting to overthrow it. So they did the roadmap and Reagan dutifully implemented it, is the bottom line to that. It also then beca…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Transnational Anticommunism&Cold War Part 10 @ 37:53
CIA targeted_for_regime_change Grenada host_asserted
“if they could, to get Cuba back. They did try doing other islands. In large part, that's what Grenada was about. And there were others, Turks and Caicos. They did have, they just never were able to get a big enough operation set up on any o…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Korea Final Day @ 1:06:04
CIA overthrew Grenada host_asserted
“CIA coup. And Grenada was used as an excuse because remember, we had a few Cubans actually in Grenada, but they were teachers. And the CIA spun that as, oh my God, the Cubans are infiltrating Grenada and going to take it away quick. Let's g…”
▶ Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname @ 16:49
United States framed Grenada host_asserted
“We have no idea whether they actually carried through with it because we would have no way of knowing. The main thrust of the American campaign against Grenada was in the form of propaganda. There was a theme that Grenada was a paid up memb…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 50:34
United States framed Grenada host_asserted
“Defense Department announced, apparently with a straight face, that the Soviet Union had shipped to Grenada assault helicopters, torpedo boats, and supersonic MiG fighters that would give Grenada an air force of 200 modern aircraft. It was …”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 53:00
European Economic Community financed_via Grenada documented
“Again, more lies. Further, the European common market had contributed money because they wanted to be able to go there. Because I don't know if you guys know this, and we talked about it briefly when we were talking about the Dominican Repu…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 56:13
United States carried_out_attack Grenada documented
“And then, again, just to reiterate, 135 American military killed as a result of this, or killed or wounded, sorry. The land conquered. There remained the people's hearts and minds, which at the onset was done via radio stations and a huge p…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 1:01:25
Bank for International Settlements financed_via Grenada documented
“Even the World Bank went against the U.S.'s recommendation and gave the Grenadian government loans and graded them as a highly responsible government while Maurice Bishop was trying to do these new initiatives. They did have one huge critic…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 45:06
Bank for International Settlements financed_via Grenada documented
“there was other evidence that puts Reagan's analysis in question. At least five other Caribbean islands, Barbados, Jamaica, blah, blah, blah, all had airports of similar size. The building of the airfield was actually encouraged and recomme…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 55:14
Operation Urgent Fury carried_out_attack Grenada book_quoted
“that was generated by the Reagan administration. Reminiscent of the Dominican Republic intervention ordered by LBJ in 1965, urgent fury had the objectives of, quote-unquote, protecting American citizens that were never under threat. That wa…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner-Presidents’ Secret Wars Chap 17 @ 50:14
United States targeted_for_regime_change Grenada host_asserted
“If, in fact, the Grenadan government had been threatened with destabilization for over four years by the United States, there would have been a significant increase in the amount of defenses that you would have seen taken effect, and yet th…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 37:29
United States spied_on Grenada documented
“Before 1979 was out, Grenada had discovered hidden transmitters in its UN mission. Let me read that again. Grenada discovered transmitters, eavesdropping material, equipment, in its UN mission. And representatives of the U.S. government wer…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 49:04
United States targeted_for_regime_change Grenada documented
“information about tourism on the island in order to begin a boycott. Over the next four years, Washington tried to harass Grenada in some other ways as well. With Ronald Reagan beginning in 1981, the U.S. aggressively lobbied the IMF and ot…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 49:35
CIA carried_out_attack Grenada documented
“Moscow's activity with journalists. Findings were also approved for operations against pro-Cuban government in Grenada, pro-Cuban government, a political action in Jamaica, and actions in Nicaragua and El Salvador, as those governments face…”
▶ The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 39 (41) @ 59:20
United States overthrew Grenada host_asserted
“Well, there's that, and then there's Grenada, and Libya, and I mean... Yes, and Grenada was another regime change in order to get the guy out that refused to go along with the exploitation of his people and his country. They wanted that as …”
▶ The Colonel Corner Dark Alliance Part 12 @ 59:40
United States financed_via Grenada host_asserted
“Because, of course, you have to carry more fuel. It has to be a bigger aircraft. And then they didn't have the runway to land there. So that's kind of what they were setting up. And Europe was helping them fund this. And then you have the U…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 57:10
United Fruit Company member_of Grenada host_asserted
“whose primary exports, and you're going to love this, cocoa, nutmeg, and bananas. So you know who was there. United Fruit. The United States government had a lot to say about what went on in Grenada. And three days after the invasion, the D…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 18:05
CIA carried_out_attack Grenada host_asserted
“I'll make sure I note that exception in the future. Sunshine, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. How are you doing? I just was listening to Warhamster's story, and I thought it was funny. I have a very good friend that was a ranger in 83. He went into…”
▶ The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38) @ 1:08:58
Southern Air Transport operated_in Grenada caller_asserted
“And he he did share that. Oh, Dominican Republic and Haiti, Port-au-Prince and Panama. Those were probably the most naturally. And Granada, he and he said that sometimes they would do night missions into Central, South America or wherever, …”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Drugs, Oil and War Part 8 @ 1:14:16
Cuba supplied_arms_to Grenada host_asserted
“The world was asked to believe that there was a major Cuban military presence in imminent control, in threat of taking over the country. Yet the Cubans in Grenada were unable to even save Maurice Bishop, who supposedly was the communist, so…”
▶ Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984 @ 38:25

Mentions (61)

OPERATION GLADIO - 'GEOGRAPHY OF GLADIO' - EP.374(AlphaWarrior Show)
▶ 20:16 Interestingly enough, you'll recognize all of these Dominican Republic, Grenada, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, all of which, by the way, we've overthrown. So you start and there's a few others in the Caribbean. So we're going to basically be work…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 0:00 Go ahead and get started. If everybody could repost the space so that everyone knows that we're up and running. I'm going to do that myself and then I'm going to get started. All right. So, Grenada. The particular part that I want to cover …
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 1:05 Gladio-ish is the stuff that happens prior to what he covers in the book, but it kind of is along the same line. So I'm going to cover the part that I know from prior research. And for those of you who don't know, Grenada was a colony of th…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 5:02 And Bishop led basically a bloodless coup. So Gary had a propensity that when he went out of town, he left killing orders. So if he wanted someone taken out by the mongoose gang, he didn't want to be associated with it. So it was done when …
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 5:32 Grenada. And interestingly enough, Bishop did not radically reformat Grenada once he installed himself as the new leader. He recognized the queen. He left all of the tenants of the previous administration intact. There was still a governor.…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 17:04 And he basically talks about a country at the time the U.S. had 240 million people invading a country of 110,000. And again, I have remarked multiple times the overwhelming effort and billions of dollars that the U.S. spent in attacking Cub…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 17:33 And the economic havoc that was wreaked on the Cuban population was far and above any benefit that we ever got out of it. And the same is true with Grenada. This was an attack on an underdeveloped island of small villages, 1,500 miles away …
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 19:02 comprising six countries and joined, in this instance, by two outsiders, Barbados and Jamaica, both of which had CIA stooges installed in both of those countries at the time. Supposedly, these countries feared some form of aggressive act fr…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 21:34 They also found this, Article 6 of the OECS PAC required all members to approve a decision of the organization's authority by the heads of government to take any action. Well, Grenada was a member of that. And of course, Grenada is not goin…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 24:54 pending invasion would have violated their OECS mutual assistance pack, the United States would have been out on a limb without help. So the U.S., as if to cover its bases, endorsed, if not in fact devised, the claim by the OECS that the go…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 25:23 Grenada, a guy by the name of Paul Scone. So this again, and I need to foot stomp this. This is the Maurice Bishop for the entire time that he was prime minister did not get rid of this guy. This is the UK's representative, the governor gen…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 25:55 Let's start over. The U.S., to cover its bases, endorsed the claim by the OECS that the governor general of Grenada, Paul Scroon, had also sent an urgent appeal for military intervention.…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 26:32 He says emphatically there has been no request for intervention from Sir Paul Scone. And that came from the British foreign secretary. Even Margaret Thatcher came out and said there had been no such request for intervention from anybody in …
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 27:00 In the end, after the invasion was underway, Scone did, so they, the U.S. military, after they invaded, picks him up and basically, in some people's words, not my words, kidnap him, take him out to the USS Guam that's sitting off the coast …
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 28:01 was the need to evacuate the hundreds of Americans from the island. And if you guys remember, the story we were fed is that there were hundreds of students at St. George's Medical College that was under imminent threat, that they were going…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 29:19 Two members of the U.S. Embassy in Barbados, a guy by the name of Ken Kersey and Linda Flo, reported over the weekend before the invasion that the U.S. students in Grenada were, for the most part, unwilling to leave or be evacuated. They we…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 29:45 Grenada at the same time and appeared to have agreed on orderly departures of any Americans wishing to leave. The White House acknowledged that evacuate American citizens, but officials said the Reagan administration came to distrust the of…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 31:12 The Grenadian government issued instructions that the American students should be treated with utmost consideration and there were vehicles and escorts provided for them anywhere they wanted to go. The Cuban government released documents th…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 32:06 After subduing the minor resistance of Grenadan soldiers and Cuban construction workers, the U.S. forces discovered several other things to justify their coming. They found, said Ronald Reagan, quote, a complete base of weapons and communic…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 32:35 of terrorists come to find out when you actually look into the records of what they found there was a bunch of old like relic munitions and documents discovered by the american military allegedly showed that cubans were planning to put thei…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 33:04 had to admit that the doctors, that the documents were not real. There was found, let's see, what appeared to be, what they tried to make people think is that Grenada had been a terrorist training center. And who sets them up? Moreover, mis…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 33:29 Missile silos were being built in Grenada and that there were a thousand Cubans on the island. What they failed to mention is the Cubans that were on the island were there under a volunteer program to construct a new airport for their touri…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 34:55 was of any size at all without the CIA knowing long before this particular event. They didn't even have enough room on this island. This island is tiny. And so the whole thing is just laughable on its face. Comparable, except that the Sovie…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 35:55 of antiquated guns, including rifles manufactured in the 1870s. Years later, it was revealed that the U.S. intelligence report of 30 October had concluded that the caches of arms and weapons on Grenada were for the army and the militia and …
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 37:29 If, in fact, the Grenadan government had been threatened with destabilization for over four years by the United States, there would have been a significant increase in the amount of defenses that you would have seen taken effect, and yet th…
Operation Gladio-Grenada 1979-1984
▶ 37:59 There was 636 construction workers, mostly in their 40s and 50s, obviously not military. And that was confirmed by both British and American journalists. The remainder was 44 women who were doctors, dentists, nurses, and public health worke…
Operation Gladio-Korea Final Day
▶ 1:06:04 if they could, to get Cuba back. They did try doing other islands. In large part, that's what Grenada was about. And there were others, Turks and Caicos. They did have, they just never were able to get a big enough operation set up on any o…
Operation Gladio- Prelude to Terror chapter 17
▶ 54:22 But we've unequivocally proven that in the cases where we have discovered Cubans to be present, for example, in Grenada, they were teachers there because the incoming elected president in Grenada was setting up new schools there and no one,…
Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname
▶ 16:20 People from the State Department, the National Endowment for Democracy, the OAS, the Organization of Americas, all of those people. They just descended on Jamaica and decided they were going to overthrow the government. And Seychelles, whic…
Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname
▶ 16:49 CIA coup. And Grenada was used as an excuse because remember, we had a few Cubans actually in Grenada, but they were teachers. And the CIA spun that as, oh my God, the Cubans are infiltrating Grenada and going to take it away quick. Let's g…
Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname
▶ 18:12 He was petrified because he even went so far as to kick all the Cubans that were helping him in the education and medical arena out of his country because he was petrified that the U.S. was going to do to him what they did to the guy over i…
Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname
▶ 57:26 So there's lots of communications going back. And it is through that vehicle that they figured out what was going on. As had become customary concerning American targets in Latin America, stories about the presence of large numbers of Cuban…
Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname
▶ 58:57 almost all of the Cuban advisors and embassy personnel, including the ambassador, and suspended all agreements with Havana. The expulsions were announced the day the U.S. invaded Grenada and was influenced because they didn't want to be par…
Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname
▶ 59:55 Newsweek magazine later reported that U.S. diplomats in the capital of Suriname made sure to keep voters current on evidence that the Cuba had aided the grenadine coup, which was a lie, and that the rest was left to his well-prepared parano…
Operation Gladio - Reagan’s complicity; Morocco-Seychelles-Suriname
▶ 1:00:25 They're actually telling you that they mounted a propaganda campaign to convince the Suriname president that they were coming for him and that they were going to do to him exactly what they did to Maurice Bishop, which was assassinate him a…
Operation Gladio - Zaire-Congo 1975-1978
▶ 1:21:45 The Cubans were there as part of an expeditionary force and was actually fighting. There's no evidence of that at all. The Cubans, and again, this is something that I've ran across repeatedly. That was the exact same story we were told in G…
Operation Gladio - Zaire-Congo 1975-1978
▶ 1:22:11 When Cubans go, and like in the case when we covered Grenada, they were there as school teachers and mechanics and teaching people different trades. And yet in America, the whole reason that we invaded Grenada was this communist scare. Oh m…
The Colonel Corner Dark Alliance Part 12
▶ 59:40 Well, there's that, and then there's Grenada, and Libya, and I mean... Yes, and Grenada was another regime change in order to get the guy out that refused to go along with the exploitation of his people and his country. They wanted that as …
The Colonel’s Corner Drugs, Oil and War Part 8
▶ 1:14:16 And he he did share that. Oh, Dominican Republic and Haiti, Port-au-Prince and Panama. Those were probably the most naturally. And Granada, he and he said that sometimes they would do night missions into Central, South America or wherever, …
The Colonel’s Corner-Presidents’ Secret Wars Chap 17
▶ 49:11 MC-130s that could do in-flight refueling of all of the helicopters. So during all of this, we have the invasion of Grenada, and you have military analyst Richard Gabriel, in fact, saying Operation Urgent Fury, which is what it was called.…
The Colonel’s Corner-Presidents’ Secret Wars Chap 17
▶ 49:42 was basically a debacle from a special forces operational perspective. Perhaps the reason urgent fury is among one of the most secret efforts carried out by Task Force 160. And oh, by the way, that was a coup as well. The Grenada invasion f…
The Colonel’s Corner Safe for Democracy Part 3 (2)
▶ 1:09:51 the Iranian deployment. It also says that he was in Operation Urgent Fury, which is the CIA's overthrow of Grenada, which I find very interesting. He also went on missions in the Middle East and South and Central America during the 80s.…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:01:40 Afghanistan and Nicaragua, you can make an argument, but I'm not going to make that argument. I mean, the Afghans, the People's Democratic Party was communist and was Soviet-backed Marxist-Leninist, but we know about other influences on Afg…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:02:09 Grenada, however you say it. Their people's revolutionary government, what's called the New Jewel Movement, was absolutely explicitly Marxist-Leninist, and we overthrew them in 1983. So I got one example. That's it. That's all I got. One ou…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:02:40 What was he doing that warranted his overthrow? Top of my head? Go ahead. You'll come up with it quicker than I have. I've got that. He actually wasn't doing anything. The entire premise of the overthrowing of Grenada was that our medical s…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:03:10 taken prisoner. You can go back and read the articles, but they were in dire straits. They feared for their lives. The school that they were attending there was going to be attacked any minute. None of that was true. Every one of those medi…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:03:40 And that there was literally nothing going on on that island before the army showed up. So what's interesting though, for Grenada prior to the, forget his name. What was his name? Warhamster? The guy they were through? Bishop. Maurice Bisho…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:04:11 was trafficking weapons and drugs for the CIA. And I forget the guy's name. There's a island just north of there that they had an entire like warehousing complex set up that if I had known we were talking about this, I'd have got my notes o…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:04:37 cut out people that they use all the time that had set up a warehouse there and they had basically been doing the same thing in Grenada and this new guy shut all of that down and they didn't want that capability to be taken offline.…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:06:17 That's authoritarianism, totalitarianism, all these isms by any – they're just different flavors of the same thing. So then, again, high level, tell me the difference between two islands and you have a – and go to Batista because we did ove…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:07:31 Well, it's all part of the Cold War scare-mongering and justification of all of our actions. Obviously, that's the case. We've always known that. Yes. I just wanted to know if there are actually Marxist roots or not, and so I did the homewo…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:08:58 I'll make sure I note that exception in the future. Sunshine, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. How are you doing? I just was listening to Warhamster's story, and I thought it was funny. I have a very good friend that was a ranger in 83. He went into…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 36 (38)
▶ 1:10:25 And they never knew what they were fighting for. And you talk about Grenada. You and I have talked all the time about how most of these times we do our regime-shamed stuff, it's for the multinational corporations because we want to exploit …
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 39 (41)
▶ 59:20 Moscow's activity with journalists. Findings were also approved for operations against pro-Cuban government in Grenada, pro-Cuban government, a political action in Jamaica, and actions in Nicaragua and El Salvador, as those governments face…
The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 47 (49)
▶ 19:25 Range aircraft like C-130s could use it on air missions. Here again, Secord turned to Gad, who once boasted, give me an account number and I'll fly anywhere. He had done just that, moving Task Force 160 helicopters to Barbados for the Grena…
The Colonel's Corner The Medusa File by Craig Roberts Part 11
▶ 2:07 Big on the use of covert aid when possible and military intervention when necessary. Operation Urgent Fury, which was the invasion of sleepy little Granada for apparently no reason. Because the reason given was our medical students were in …
The Colonel’s Corner_ The Medusa Files; Part 12
▶ 5:35 We were driving down the road at 70 miles an hour with the windows open. So I forgot to mention that part. Anyway, back to the story. So then, you know, we did Grenada. The one excuse where the guy may have actually been a communist that we…
The Colonel’s Corner_ The Medusa Files; Part 12
▶ 6:07 to having an actual communist, even though we were told every single one of them was a communist, hands down communist. So War Hamster and Brady had to find one that may have been one. And Grenada was it. You know, that tiny little island t…
The Colonel’s Corner_ The Medusa Files; Part 12
▶ 12:29 bit of that money was siphoned off by the ISI to fund their nuclear program as well. So yeah, we bought that too. And oh, by the way, then they later on sell it to Iran. Yeah, so in a way, everything circles back around to us. We fund all o…
The Colonel’s Corner Transnational Anticommunism&Cold War Part 10
▶ 37:21 This planning document, which was also handed to Prime Minister Thatcher, suggested the certain peripheral countries that needed to be attacked. You will not find it at all surprising once I name these countries. Grenada, Angola, Seychelles…
The Colonel’s Corner Transnational Anticommunism&Cold War Part 10
▶ 37:53 They overthrew Seychelles. They tried to overthrow Nicaragua. And Cuba was just a repeat every single day attempting to overthrow it. So they did the roadmap and Reagan dutifully implemented it, is the bottom line to that. It also then beca…