Operation Gladio- Vietnam Part 5 Phoenix Program

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0:00 So, Bridget, is Cousin It working today? Do you know? I believe so. I believe she is. Okay. Trump Frog, you want to be a co-host? I think you said you had the day off. I had sent you a mic. Let me try that again. All right. All right. So, I sent you the co-host. All right. I got you. Whoop, whoop. All right. Trumpy in the house. Froggy in the house.

0:44 What's up, ladies? How are you? It's going to be epic if you're here, man. When the two of you get together, you know, fireworks start happening. So Twisted Sister from Another Mister is not here today, huh? Yeah, she's playing with nuts. That didn't come out right. No, I mean peanuts. Peanuts. Oh, wait. That didn't even sound right.

1:13 I can't wait till she listened to this. She'll be like, Whoa. Um, he's pretty fair. Yeah. All right. So, um, Oh gosh. Um, where, where we left off, where we left off. Um, we were talking about, um, a very interesting, um, which we could do a whole, um, show on the Hawaii East West center.

1:48 that was sponsored by the CIA, which I have on my list to cover. It will be a show because it's crazy. But the CIA put many of those around, and generally they're on military bases, weirdly enough. Kind of like the School of Americas was on the Army base down in Panama and is on Fort Benning today.

2:17 which we train leaders to go coup their country and disappear their own citizens and torture and set off bombs and all kinds of stuff like that. So this is one of those schools. It, again, is on a military base in Hawaii. And it's under the auspices of this precursor to the USAID, which was called...

2:47 AID, and also the U.S. Information Agency, which is basically a propaganda arm of the CIA disguised as a State Department entity. So we left off with a guy by the name of Frank Scotton, S-C-O-T-T-O-N, who had basically been recruited into Vietnam.

3:18 Had went to Thailand and Cambodia and all over the Southeast Asia, basically. We also met Everett Bumgartner, B-U-M-G-A-R-T-N-E-R, who was the chief of the U.S. Information Office field operations in Vietnam.

3:49 He basically had worked very closely with Lansdell in a couple of different prior locations, among them the Philippines. And we talked about what happened in the Philippines on multiple different spaces prior.

4:17 Again, these guys worked throughout the theater, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand. And it's hard when you go back and understand the breadth of what went on to isolate any one program to just one country because a lot of the same people worked in all of these locations. And some...

4:43 that were in the CIA, later came back as ambassadors to these countries after having orchestrated some of this horrific garbage in the country. A number of them did that. So Bumgartner introduced Scotton to a man called John Paul Vann, who was the senior advisor to the Vietnamese hierarchy, a colonel by the name of Tran...

5:12 Knock Chow. He was probably one of the most controversial province chiefs. Chow had been a CIA asset for a long time. He had graduated from a Fort Bragg school here in the United States. He also

5:42 had been the chief of psychological operations for the Southern Vietnamese Army. So during a period of about 10 years, Chau, spelt C-H-A-U, and Scott and Bumgartner and Van all became, in many ways, the face of the Phoenix program in South Vietnam.

6:15 In a book called The CIA and the Vietnam Debacle, this is a quote. Frank Scotton was the originator of the Provincial Reconnaissance Unit Program, the predecessor to the Phoenix Program. For years, he worked closely with John Paul Vann.

6:33 a CIA operative who specialized, among other things, in Black propaganda, which involved him in murders, forgery, and outright deception of the American press in order to discredit the Northern forces and the nationalist forces inside of Vietnam. In particular, the opposition to American intervention in general, which was the neutralization of the people in the South as well.

7:01 Everett Baumgardner was Colby's deputy in the theater and used to oversee pacification efforts in the central provinces of Vietnam. And if you guys recall the map we originally used, there was the north and central and south areas. Obviously, the central one, because it became a conduit from the north to the south, was critical. And no one liked that lived in the central area.

7:31 like the people in the South, and it became a big contentious effort. So going on with the quote, any person who had the faintest knowledge of the pacification program would know what disasters have visited the Vietnamese people as a result of these programs. Bumgartner was also in charge of the Phoenix program in that area. It goes on.

7:54 to talk about when Scotton arrived in Vietnam, Bumgardner assigned him to the Central Highlands. And no one really knew what was going on in that area. So it created a lot of cross signals. And even when somebody with some credibility, and there were a few people,

8:26 That spoke out about what was going on and how the Dem administration in the South was basically lying to the senior CIA and military people about like through interpreters, because a lot of these people are over there and they don't speak the language. So they were.

8:57 beholding to the interpreters. And there wasn't always accurate interpretations of what was going on. And one of the CIA officers, I'm not going to remember his name right off the top of my head, that was over there. But I did order a book that talked about him. And we are going to go over that book because he has a very interesting perspective because he actually learned the language. He also was basically drummed out because not only did he know the language,

9:25 He tried to steer the operations towards what could have been a more successful, although not totally successful, outcome with a lot less dead bodies. But no matter who he talked to over there, it was as if they weren't interested in that at all. And he eventually, I mean, he retired from the CIA and he eventually wrote a book about this.

9:55 He became very disillusioned because it was as if, and I firmly believe this, the U.S. strategy in Vietnam was to protract the engagement so that they could continue to harvest the poppy opium and feed their drug cartel network.

10:27 and also simultaneously continue what had started in Korea as both psychological operations and experiments on torture and things like that that was all done under the Phoenix program, the creation of the National Police through the Michigan State University program, which led into the Phoenix program.

10:56 It was as if you definitely, because like I told you, I have read so many books about this particular area, and now recalling all of the other stuff in the papers that I had written, I now have a different context to put everything in, a different filter to look at it all through. You definitely get the distinct impression that

11:20 This was a phase after World War II where they were putting to use possibly techniques that they had gotten debriefed on by the Nazis and some of the stuff they had learned in taking over the labs that were set up by the Japanese in China. All of that stuff, the use of biological warfare, like with the whole napalm and several other.

11:50 things that were dropped over there, Agent Orange. It's almost like this was a test site within a country with real people. The psychological operations through brainwashing to get the northern people to migrate to the south, which is basically being used on us right now in these forced migrations into western countries, all of this is being manipulated. And if you trace it back,

12:20 It all stems from this period. So going on. So you've got Bumgardner, you've got Scott, and they're all basically setting up this program. And it said they were looking for motivated individuals to mold into political cadres.

12:48 Scotton turned to the CIA's defector program, which in April 1963 was placed under the control of the Agency for International Development. That's the AID that I was just mentioning. That's the precursor to the USAID. They had what was referred to as an amnesty program. It was called CHIEU Hoi.

13:17 which stood for Open Arms Amnesty Program. There, Scotton found the raw material he needed to prove the viability of political action programs. Together with Vietnamese Special Forces, a guy by the name of Captain Nguyen Thuy, T-U-Y, he was a graduate of Fort Bragg Special Warfare Center.

13:45 and commanded the 4th Special Ops Detachment, Toy's case officer, U.S. Special Forces Captain Howard Walters, who had also spent quite a bit of time in the Korean War and did PSYOPs over there as well, Scotton worked through an extension called the Mountain Scout Program, which Ralph Johnson ran.

14:13 As part of the pilot program designed to induce defectors, Scotton, Walters, and Toy crossed the Nlau Valley, set up an ambush deep in Viet Cong territory and waited till dark. When they spotted a Viet Cong unit, Scotton yelled through a bullhorn, you are being misled, you are being lied to, we promise you an education, unquote. Then, full of purpose and...

14:44 Vigor, he shot a flare into the night sky and hollered, walked towards the light. To his surprise, two defectors did walk in, convincing him and his CIA sponsors that a determined unit could contest the Viet Cong in terms of combat and propaganda. Most likely those were going to be spies, but who's keeping track? Back in camp, Scott and we told the defectors,

15:13 that they had to divest themselves of, quote-unquote, untruths. Does that sound familiar? We said that certainly the U.S. perpetrated war crimes, but so did the Viet Cong. We acknowledged that the Viet Cong was a stronger force, but that didn't mean that everything they did was honorable and good and just. So basically, they're just kind of playing up to them. During these times in South Vietnam,

15:44 like a battle that had been fought in 1955, all of the engagements over that past 10 years, because as soon as we left Korea, for those of you who don't know, we had military advisory groups in the form of a handful of military and a whole bunch of CIA in Vietnam.

16:13 So from the mid 1950s. And so in early 1963, 200 lightly armed Viet Cong guerrillas routed a force of 2,500 that had been advised by John Vann and supported with U.S. bombers and helicopters, which is ridiculous.

16:42 And it happened just 40 miles from Saigon. The incident reaffirmed what everybody had already suspected, that the top-heavy, bloated, corrupt Southern military was no match for an under-equipped but determined Viet Cong. Next, Dinh's brother Thuc, T-H-U-K, the Archbishop of Hu, H-U-E, forbade the display of Buddhist...

17:12 at a ceremony in whose commemorating the 2,587th birthday of Buddha. The demonstration was led by a Buddhist priest, Trik Trai Kwa. It erupted on May 8th and Nhu sent a contingent to put it down. In doing so, they killed nine people, mostly women and children.

17:41 Official communiques blamed the Viet Cong terrorist, not the South, which it was the South, but the Buddhists knew better. They strengthened their alliance with the North and began organizing massive demonstrations. On June 11th, a Buddhist monk doused himself in gasoline and set himself on fire in Saigon. Soon, others were doing likewise all across Vietnam. Let them burn, Madame Nhu said.

18:09 She was also referred to as the Dragon Lady, by the way. And then she is quoted as saying, we shall clap our hands. That's like, we shall eat cake kind of thing. Two months later, when Nhu negotiated with the North Vietnamese and the general staff, pressured them to declare martial law, a South Vietnamese special forces unit disguised as the North troops attacked Saigon's temple.

18:40 the city's most sacred Buddhist shrine. Sound familiar? Buddhists immediately took up arms and began fighting. The spectacle was repeated across Vietnam as thousands of Buddhists were arrested and jailed and executed. In response, August 21st, 1963, the special group in Washington ordered the CIA to pull the financial plug on the Vietnamese special forces.

19:09 The search for more dependable, unilaterally controlled army began, and the nascent counterterror teams emerged as a promising candidate. Meanwhile, the Saigon Dem downfall was originating within his own palace guard. CIA asset Tran Van Don conspired with secret police Dr. Tran Kim Tuyen, a double agent.

19:39 and among others, one of the military generals known as Big Min, who had the backing of the many people throughout the military. Then two other colonels joined the plot, and in October, President Kennedy suspended economic aid. The Pope ordered Toc to leave his post in Hue, a decision that eased the conscience of the Catholic plotters.

20:08 As plotters swirled around them, Nhu and Dem instructed the Vietnamese Special Forces Chief, Colonel Le Quang Thong, to prepare a counter-coup. But Thong was summoned to a senior officer's club at the Joint General Staff Headquarters and shot dead by Big Minh's personal bodyguard. That prompted Third Corps Commander General Thong Thot Dem to...

20:37 withdraw the special forces under his command from Saigon. The CIA-controlled palace guard vacated the premises, and the military began arresting Dem loyalists. Knowing the end was near, Nguyen Dem fled to a friend's house nearby, then sought sanctuary in a church. Soon a military convoy arrived, arrested them, and took them for a ride in the church. When the convoy reached Hong Thap Tu Ali,

21:09 between Cao Thanh and Le Ven streets, the brothers were shot dead. The military men in the vehicle, who hated Nhu, stabbed his corpse many times. The American endured a similar event three weeks later when JFK was assassinated. The assassination came shortly after Kennedy had proposed to withdraw.

21:40 all U.S. advisors from Vietnam. Three days after Kennedy's death, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed NSA Memorandum 273 authorizing an increase in covert military operations in North Vietnam. Conceived in secrecy, the ensuing policy of provoked response paved the way for a full-scale U.S. military intervention for which the CIA was laying the groundwork anyway through all of its covert programs.

22:09 On December 19, 1963, the Pentagon's planning branch in the Pacific, CINCPAC, presented a plan to a special group. Two weeks later, LBJ approved O-Plan 34A, and Major General Victor Krulik, and I have actually met him, handed the operational order to the Military Advisory Command, the Special Operations Group,

22:41 was formed in Saigon to implement O-Plan 34, and attacks against the North Vietnamese began in February from Phoenix Island off the coast of Da Nang. So, July 1964, the SOG, which is the Special Operations Group, achieved its goal of creating a provoked response. That night, SEALs

23:08 Elton Mazzoni and Kenny Van Lesser led 20 South Vietnamese Marines in a raid against Hung My Island, H-O-N-M-E Island. Dropped on the wrong side of the island, Mazzoni and Van Lesser failed to knock out their target, which was a North Vietnamese radar installation, but the raid did push the North Vietnamese into attacking.

23:35 This was being monitored by electronic defenses activated by the attack. The incident was sold to the American public as a first strike and resulted in Congress passing the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. The resulting airstrikes against the North was cited by many historians as the start of the Vietnam War. However, that is not true.

24:03 It also allowed LBJ to sell himself as a much tougher person in wartime than the Republican candidate coming up into the 1964 presidential election, which was Barry Goldwater. In Saigon, South Vietnamese Armed Forces commanders, who once had supported

24:29 The generals of Dem and the CIA surfaced as the new chief of state, and his name was Duan Van Minh, M-I-N-H. That was the guy called Big Minh. He appointed a whole bunch of other Vietnamese generals who have very difficult names to say. And again, all of the former people that were in charge were arrested because they were basically Dem.

25:04 So there's some shifting around of the senior people as a result of all of this. And many of the original plans that the CIA and the military wanted to do was thwarted because of this shuffling around of these senior military people trying to figure out who could work absent the old corrupt.

25:32 And so, for example, one plan, Operation Haylift, was set up for smuggling opium on one of those generals' black flights, revealed that the CIA had been sending teams into the North since July 1963. Dem spy chief, a Dr. Tuen, T-U-Y-E-N,

26:00 was sent into honorable exile as ambassador to Egypt as a result of the whole musical chairs. And the double agent Pham Ngoc Thao temporarily escaped detection and was appointed a province chief. He served until 1965 when he was killed for being a suspected double agent.

26:32 Several of the other people went into exile in France. And in the wake of the coup, according to Frank Scotton, administrative paralysis began to sit in in the South. The Viet Cong exploited this by physically dismantling strategic smaller cities and ridding them of much of the symbology that had been set up by Dem.

27:03 Like the Catholic symbolism when all of these people are basically Buddhist. And so that, again, is just another step that endeared these people to the north and alienated them from the south because they didn't want them there to begin with. But Dem had insisted they be there along with the CIA as a way of separating them from.

27:32 their Buddhist roots. It was an experiment. So even though the road leading from Saigon to John Vann's headquarters was unsafe, in December 1963, Baumgartner sent Scotton to a nearby province a few miles south of Saigon. Scotton brought along his political cadre from another province. Civic action recruits were provided.

28:02 by the province that he was going to visit. Scotton set about seeing what was wrong and getting a fix for these small villages. And he did this by using small armed teams seeking information. Working with American province advisors, Scotton organized three survey teams, which operated in three neighboring hamlets at the same time.

28:31 Each six-member team was equipped with black pajamas, pistols, a radio, and a submachine gun. Standard procedures was to regroup at the last moment before daybreak, then shift at dawn to a fourth hamlet where the team would sleep during the day. At night, they sat beside trails used by the Viet Cong cadres so that they could identify which hamlet they were visiting.

28:57 When the Viet Cong armed propaganda teams left the Hamlet, Scott and his cadre would move in and speak to one person in each household. So the Viet Cong would have to punish everyone after we left. But that never happened. A woman Viet Cong leader would bring in a unit after us and basically...

29:27 erase any good that they thought they were doing. The mission of these survey teams, according to Scotton, was, quote, intelligence, not an attack on the Viet Cong. But Longan, L-O-N-G-A-N, proved the viability of small units. I felt confident that motivated small units could go in and displace the Viet Cong simply by their presence. Will and intent had to be primary, though. If they...

29:57 were then the method generated useful reports, unquote. This is the very thing that that guy, whose book and name I can't remember right now, said was absolute bullshit. This did not work at all. With them dead, three quarters of South Vietnam's province chiefs got fired from their jobs because they were lackeys of his.

30:24 And there were no more prohibitions on taking CIA money, and the time was ripe for quote-unquote local initiatives. Local officials, along with the legions of Dem loyalists purged from the government after the coup, were hired by the CIA and put in management positions for covert activities. They're feckless, stupid, worthless suck-ups.

30:54 And the CIA hired them. But it was an American war now with the structure and enthusiasm at an all-time low, making it harder than ever to wage political warfare. Because keep in mind, with them being dead, the forced Christianization of

31:24 The South, under the guise of the Catholic Church, died with him because that was a minority the entire time. These are majority Buddhist people, and they are using a political system that basically died with them.

31:51 using the relics of this Catholicism relocation of all of those people down to the south as kind of their wedge into these villages. But keep in mind, we've already talked about how they took entire villages and burnt them to the ground and relocated these people into brand new villages.

32:19 They've managed at this point to piss off everybody. And yet for some strange reason, they still think these political stupid programs is going to work for them. So they create a three-part program with separate teams for number one, civic action, number two, counter-terror, and number three, intelligence. Because of the fighting,

32:49 was less intense in the Delta region because it's a swampy mess. Methven, which is one of the guys here, M-E-T-H-V-E-N, advocated that if they had teams that was no larger than six men, that they could

33:20 go out and execute this civic action, counter-terror, and intelligence mission that he had created. So there was also a thing called consensus grievance teams. That sounds so like the left right now, doesn't it? And they also had

33:50 Scotton's program, which sold local initiatives to province chiefs by paying them off. So, as if all of that's not messed up enough, behind every province chief was a CIA paramilitary officer promoting and organizing the CIA's three-part covert plan. Walter Mackem, M-A-C-K-E-M,

34:18 who arrived in Vietnam in 1964, was one of those officers. After spending two months observing this program, Mackham was transferred to the Delta to institute a similar program in like four or five different areas. Mackham also reported directly to Washington on the political activities of the various sects and favorable ethnic minorities in his area of operation, the most important of which was called

34:48 Hoa Heia, which was a sect of Buddhists. And they were the most closely related to the Cambodian Khmer Rouge. And you'll see why later that that's so important because, of course, when we F up Vietnam, we're going to go into Cambodia too. According to Mackham, there were no counterterror teams prior to his arrival on the scene.

35:19 What did exist were private armies, like what was called the Sea Swallows, S-W-A-L-L-O-W-S. And those belong to specific sects. It was from these groups, as well as jails and northern defector programs, that Mackham recruited his counterterrorism teams.

35:47 The composition of these teams differed from province to province, depending on what form of opposition they encountered. Also, it was tailored to the specific province chief because they didn't want to piss him off either. The biggest contributors to Macom's counterterror team were the Khmer, which, again, are Cambodian. So just like with so many of these Operation Gladio

36:19 ventures that we've looked into because remember what we were talking about when in Nicaragua they formed those camps on the outside of Nicaragua and recruited from those countries their paramilitary to then launch them into Nicaragua we used like the Cuban exiles to go into El Salvador we used them to go into Honduras we've used them

36:47 as the outside forces as well, because these outside, basically like mercenaries, are easier to control and they don't slip into the local networks because they're alien to them. So from a command standpoint, they're much easier to control than a local. Mackham personally selected...

37:16 and trained his team. He dressed in black pajamas and accompanied them on missions deep inside enemy territory to do the snatch and kill of the northern cadre. Quote, I wandered around the jungle with them, unquote, Mackham admitted. He went on to say, I did it myself. We were free-willing back then. It was a combination of the man who would be king and apocalypse now.

37:45 These people are sick. To obtain information on individual targets, the counterterrorism teams relied on advisors and liaisons that were from the local area. They would seek information from members of their own village.

38:13 basically encouraged the snitching on neighbors. That sounds familiar too. Soon after the coup, the Viet Cong controlled most of the countryside and the Vietnamese bureau investigations had little role to play outside of Saigon proper.

38:36 In the countryside, counter-terror and armed propaganda teams aided by secret agents in the village gathered intelligence and attacked the Viet Cong infrastructure through these CIA six-people teams. Meanwhile, the U.S. airplanes, artillery, and combat units arrived and began driving the rural population into refugee camps or underground.

39:06 like literally the Coochie Tunnel undergrounds. However, the division of labor within the CIA station, which pitted police advisors against paramilitary advisors, had to be resolved before an effective attack on the North could be mounted. And first, the CIA would have to incorporate its covert action programs in a much more uniformed way.

39:33 I'm just going to rephrase this because it needs to be emphasized. These are the same people. They brought the million, 1.1, 1.2 million, depending on what number you look at, from the north into the south into villages. Then they took them out of those villages and built new villages after burning them down because the people weren't integrating well enough.

40:00 So they had to because they wanted to have a sham election. So they tore all those down. You guys, I hope this sounds very familiar to you because it's happening in our country right now. They tore all of those down, built new things and drove everybody into those. And remember, we talked about them putting moats around them so they could control them. They could control the coming and going. And now part of this phase.

40:29 is to drive them out of those places into refugee camps, yet again, because they have to demoralize the people to be able to control the people. So, February 1964, Frank Scotton was working on what Ogden Williams, the senior American advisor in one of the other neighborhoods, had called a Phoenix.

41:02 type thing. That's the actual quote, a Phoenix type thing. In developing this Phoenix type program, Scott and team with a guy by the name of Ian Teague, T-I-E-G-E. And oddly enough, he's an Australian paramilitary advisor on contract to the CIA in Vietnam. Major Robert Kelly

41:31 was a military advisory district advisor. Quote, Kelly was the American on the spot, unquote, Scotton said. He goes on to say, I advised on training and deployment. Teague was the professional soldier deciding how to fight the enemy. Formal relations between the military advisory command and the CIA officers at the district level.

42:01 had begun only one month earlier when General Wes Moreland arrived in Saigon as the military advisory commander. And in an effort to strengthen the American hand, he assigned military advisors to each of the South Vietnamese 250 districts. That's that map I put up a few days ago that showed all of the different districts.

42:30 Military intelligence advisors assigned to 5th Special Forces also entered the districts at this point. However, coordination among the advisors, the CIA officers, and their Vietnamese counterparts were still very ad hoc and spotty because it basically relied on, as I pointed out earlier, interpreters and personal personalities.

43:02 The impetus for Scotton's Phoenix-like program on the Vietnamese side came from a police chief called Colonel Pham Thong, T-U-O-N-G. He was a longstanding CIA asset, and he anted up a platoon of volunteers, all of whom had been victimized by the Viet Cong. In exchange for equipment, money, and advice,

43:30 They wanted to fight, Scotton said, but they didn't want to lose. Money and supplies were provided by Ralph Johnson. A 15-day accelerated training cycle was set up, and Scotton called it his motivational indoctrination program. Modeled, oh, you just got to love this, on communist techniques, the process began as a confessional.

44:00 like a confession. On the first day, everyone would fill out a form and write an essay on why they had joined. The district's Vietnamese information service representative would study their answers and explain the next day why they were involved in such a very special unit. The instructors would lead them to stand up and talk about themselves. This motivational function was handled by the unit's morale officer.

44:26 chosen by his peers through what Scotton referred to as the only honest elections ever held in South Vietnam. The morale officer's job, he said, was to keep people honest and have them admit mistakes if they made them. Not only did Scotton co-opt communist organizational and motivational techniques, he also relied on communist defectors as his cadre. We felt that ex-Vietnam

44:56 had unique communication skills. They could communicate doctrine and they knew people who would shoot. It wasn't necessary for everyone in the unit to be ex-Viet Minh, but it definitely needed to be in the leadership. So basically, we are being communistic while we're selling everybody in the United States.

45:24 that we're trying to set up a democracy using communist tactics. Just want to make sure that doesn't go over anybody's head. Scott went on to say, people from the other side knew the value of motivation, but they confessed too much. So we refined the technique based on what the Viet Minh disliked the most, that the party set itself up as its sole authority. We didn't have the party as number one. We had the group.

45:53 and then the bigger government that they were trying to set up in the South. Key to Scotton's motivational indoctrination program was the notion of calling the units special. It created an esprit de corps. The units were better equipped. They paid the people to actually perform these duties.

46:23 The machinery, like the submachine guns, the uniforms, everything was much better than what they had got from their northern counterparts. Tung's original group of 34, Scotton said, worked in a more heavily contested province and that the teams required greater firepower.

46:49 So we bumped it up to 40 and started a second group immediately. Then it talks a little bit about the tactics on how they were used, but basically goes on to say that there were two functions assigned. First was pacification, and second was the anti-Viet Cong function.

47:14 pacification to pacify everybody that was in the particular village that was going to be the target and then have those people identify who they would rat out as Viet Cong, whether or not they were, because they had no way of verifying any of this information. And oftentimes the ratting out of the neighbor took part as the person was being tortured themselves.

47:43 So none of it was reliable. Concurrent with the creation of the People's Action Teams, Scotton's team was renamed by Station Chief Pierre DeSalva, and there began a coordination directly with the White House on policies, policing, paramilitary programs that culminated three years later in Phoenix. So they're dealing from Vietnam.

48:13 directly with the National Security Council, the National Security Advisor in the White House. It was, in effect, a blueprint for political warfare conceptualized by Ralph Johnson, adapted to Vietnamese unique things, and formalized by Frank Scotton, Bob Kelly, Ian Teague, and Stu Methvin. At the heart was a doctrine of...

48:42 basically cooing individual villages on all the way up the chain to eventually, hopefully taking over the North. And the use of counter terror was central to, it was actually terror. There wasn't any counter terror to it because we were definitely the insurgents in this scenario. We were the outsiders.

49:14 In an autobiography called Sub Rosa, Da Silva describes arriving in Vietnam in December 1963 and says he was introduced to Viet Cong terror by one of the officers. Two Viet Cong cadres had basically stabbed a village chief and his pregnant wife with poles.

49:38 To make sure this horrible sight would remain with the villagers, one of the terror squad used his machetes to basically cut the woman open. Having arrived on the scene moments after the atrocity, De Silva writes, I saw them, the three bodies and the unborn child laying in the dirt. The problem with these stories, especially as they're written by CIA agents, is oftentimes what we found out later on.

50:08 is these weren't done by the Viet Cong. I had found repeatedly where we did this to terrorize these villagers and then claimed, just like in Operation Gladio, they actually had killed Viet Cong, got their uniforms, and would dress up using their uniforms and commit these atrocities and then blame it.

50:36 on the Viet Cong when, in fact, it was the CIA and their assets doing this very thing. So white-collar intelligence officers who put agents' work above political warfare, De Silva was shocked at what he saw. He goes on to write the Viet Cong were monstrous in their application of torture and murder. And so I've actually read this guy's book.

51:08 I read it as part of my Air War College before I traveled to Vietnam. And I went back and looked at this particular book. When you read this book, here's something as a hint. If you are reading a former CIA agent's material, if they don't in some 300-page book,

51:40 tell you at least one or two bad things that the CIA did that at the time the book was written may or may not have even been known, then you know that it is a propaganda tool that was published by the CIA to make you think something was true that is not. And if you have not come across this, it is a well-known

52:10 tactic that the CIA writes these books, they get other people to put their name on them. And some of them are done by the agents, but a lot of times they're done by other people whose names on them. And they refuse to tell you anything that's negative about anything the CIA does. And you can basically just throw that book away. And yesterday when I was going through the book, I'm like, damn it.

52:39 um because that's basically the book that the guy wrote um and that's troublesome from a historical standpoint but as soon as i find that where i um i had it in one of these tabs i've got like 25 tabs opened on my um and i'm not going to go through them right now um but i'll have the information for you tomorrow of the other guy's book um the other guy when you read his book

53:07 that was here during this exact same time. And I'm actually going to review his book because his book is a very interesting book. He talks about having started out, you know, starry-eyed thinking that, you know, we're the USA, we're going over to provide democratic government to all of these places. And when he gets to Vietnam and he finds out that as he

53:36 Again, he learns the language as he begins suggesting things. No one wants to hear about it. He personally talked to William Colby and William Colby basically told him to pound sand that, yeah, what you're talking about may work, but it would speed up the process. And we're not interested in doing that. I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said. And then this guy is moved around.

54:05 Um, as if that's punishment for him doing a good job. And, um, it's overall very enlightening, but sad at the same time. Um, what the people on the, and that's why I want to read it to you because this is a question that I get asked a lot. How does those people operate from the inside? How do they stay there? And this guy's story will answer those questions for you.

54:35 um because he is very personal about his struggle um to stay after the first encounter of knowing that they're making decisions that's going to end up with a bunch of people dead and it didn't have to be that way because he like many others had small kids he had bills to pay and oh by the way

55:00 Every single thing he had done for like 12 years was classified and he couldn't even put it on a job resume. So he had reached out and tried to find other work, but he couldn't tell anybody what he did. So back then, nobody's going to hire you because it looks like you didn't exist for the last 12 years. So these people were really stuck between a rock and a hard place. He decided to...

55:29 I mean, he was basically given filing jobs in some cases back at headquarters, but he decided to stick it out until retirement. And again, it's a whole long story, but I do think we should go through the book because it is very interesting and answers that question for everybody. And I want to get it on tape so that we can use it as a reference. So anyway, Da Silva goes basically through.

56:00 teaching these small teams going into these villages. And he uses that story that I just relayed to you as kind of his impetus for their own terror. And he basically tries to justify the terror that he did because he saw it being done. So just another quote.

56:27 to bring danger and death to the Viet Cong functionaries themselves, especially in the areas where they felt secure. We had obtained descriptions and photographs of known cadres who were functioning as committee chiefs, recruiters, province representatives, heads of raiding parties. Based on these photographs and their known areas of operation, we had recruited some really tough groups, to include prisoners, and organized them into teams who would be willing and able

56:57 by virtue of prior residents to go into the areas in which we knew the Viet Cong senior cadre were active and eliminate them. Here Da Silva is describing the Phoenix program because oftentimes these pictures and the identification again came through torture. The attack on the Viet Cong on its own turf using intelligence provided by commandos and selective terror conducted by counter-terrorists was

57:26 how they were going to do this. One of the soldiers who participated in Da Silva's counter-terror program was Elton Manzoni, a self-described super soldier. Manzoni received extensive training in hand-to-hand combat, combat swimming, sniping, parachuting, and demolition. That sounds just like gladio training that we've described over and over and over again. When his schooling was complete, Manzoni was dropped into the jungle.

57:55 of Panama with a knife and a compass and told to find his way out. And he did. By then, he noted, with no small degree of understatement, I was fairly competent. By December 1964, Manzoni left California aboard an oil tanker and 10 days later, crossed over to a guided missile destroyer, the USS Lawrence, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

58:22 This ensured plausible deniability and Manzoni's service records were sheep dipped to indicate he never got off the Lawrence. Manzoni stepped ashore in Cam Ranh Bay in January 1964. So this guy has no trace of being in Vietnam at all.

58:42 and was met by Special Forces Colonel who briefed him on his mission. Manzoni was told that he would be working for the Special Operations Group under a number of directives called O-Plans, which is operational plans, which had been drawn out for specific goals. The SOG had basically taken over the duties and responsibilities of an entity called the Combined Studies Group, and he would be working for the U.S. Army as well as the Navy.

59:14 in a joint effort. He was sent to Holkham Training Center near Da Nang, where in 1961, Ralph Johnson had based his Mountain Scout training camp, which we've already went over. And in 1964, the CIA had set up their special operations long-range reconnaissance patrols at this location.

59:38 Manzoni completed an intensive orientation course. He was taught advanced tracking, camouflage techniques, made familiar with Soviet and Chinese weapons, put on a steady diet of oriental food, told not to bathe and not to shave. And he was briefed on various O-plans, directives, and goals. The actual goals were to stop the infiltration from the north of arms and supplies. He says, quote, undermining the enemy's ability to fight in the south.

1:00:09 Another goal was to deal with the enemy violations of the international accords. This is hilarious. That meant taking out command centers in Laos. They weren't supposed to be there at all. Manzoni was next assigned to Nam Dong in the Central Highlands, where he and two other SEALs were quartered inside of a special forces camp.

1:00:39 Basically, they said, welcome to Dam Dong. This is a town you'll work out of. You're going to get orders to do something and the orders are going to be verbal. The orders were always verbal and never said, do this specifically. It was always go there and do what you think you ought to do. It was a free form exercise so that they had plausible deniability after the fact. In March, the SEALs returned.

1:01:09 running over-the-fence missions as part of the SOG called Leaping Lena Program, which we mentioned before. Three-quarters of the missions were into Laos, not northern Vietnam, which was supposed to be a neutral country. And they also went into the demilitarized zone, which was not supposed to happen either, and missions into the north. At times, the SEALs sat along the Ho Chi Minh.

1:01:39 trail, counting enemy troops and trucks. Other times they moved from one set of coordinates to another, and they also shot field-grade northern officers, kidnapped prisoners, escorted defectors from the north to the south, and demolished down U.S. aircraft so that they couldn't fall into enemy hands. Along with that last one, the SEAL teams worked with

1:02:06 counter-terrorist units whom Manzoni described as a combination of deserters, Viet Cong turncoats, and bad MF-er criminals from the South who they couldn't deal with in prison, so they put them under the command of these guys to kill people. Often, they were basically, quote-unquote, pardoned to fight against the communists.

1:02:34 If they killed so many designated Viet Cong, they actually got years off of their prison sentence. Not kidding. The counter-terrorists taught Manzoni and his SEAL comrades the secrets of PSYOP's campaigns, which in practice meant exploiting their superstitions, myths, and religious beliefs of the locals.

1:02:58 One technique was based on the Buddhist belief that a person cannot enter heaven unless his liver is intact. So Manzoni would snitch a North Vietnamese courier off the Ho Chi Minh Trail, sneak him into a tent at night, crush the man's larynx, then use his dagger to remove the man's liver. Some of the counterterrorism would actually eat

1:03:27 The enemy's vital organs. Not joking about that either. So. That gets us about an hour into it. And a good place to stop. Because that makes you sick. And again. The reason I'm doing this. Is because I want people to understand. What our real history is. Because I firmly believe.

1:03:59 That the same people that are teaching these techniques in Vietnam are still not like them necessarily alive themselves. But they are still teaching these principles to people all over the world. And they are implementing this here. And they will pass it off.

1:04:28 as someone else doing it, but it is being done to terrorize us into accepting things that we wouldn't ordinarily accept. And that's why I want us all to understand what it is. I want us to be able to recognize it when we see it, and I want us to be able to call it out when it happens. So, having said that, anybody have any...

1:05:02 questions, please request a mic and come up. Hello, Warhamster. Hello, Colonel. How the heck are you? I'm awesome. How are you? You are awesome. Good to hear you. Happy Labor Day. Thank you. Same to you. So I haven't caught all of this series of your Vietnam stuff, and I caught most of today. I was curious, have you talked a little bit about the 303 Committee? I have.

1:05:31 I have posted about it. I haven't talked about it in this Vietnam series. Well, I bring up the question because when I was, you know, I'm about halfway through my research on that. And, you know, that's actually, it's a 1955 Eisenhower directive from the National Security Council, having them basically have oversight or involvement in CIA operations. You're going through a few of the names you dropped today.

1:05:59 overlap with some of the 303 committee stuff that i've dug up and i just i just thought i'd bring that up so you and your researchers could have some fun with it because there's a lot of juicy stuff with 303 committee and i'm like i said i'm only halfway through it i'm not ready to talk about it yet but there is definitely something there so they have the 303 committee they have the committee of 40 they had the committee of 30 um all of these stupid ass things were things that like

1:06:28 Kissinger and what's his name? Mika's dad, Brzezinski. All of these guys, every one of them that were in that orbit come up with their own little particular name for their little group. And I keep, every time I find one, I write a thread on it. So they are out there on the thing that Bridget consolidates on my page.

1:06:57 But yeah, there's a number of them. And some presidents kept the name from the one before, but then some, you know, because they can change the size of them. And that's why there was the 40 committee, the 30 committee, because each president did it somewhat differently. Although a couple of them did keep the existing infrastructure with the same players. Yeah, you know, it's funny you bring that up because I've got a little blurb.

1:07:25 It apparently was named the 303 Committee. The blurb says an NSC National Security Council staffer had recommended the new name, and this is in quotes, be something utterly drab and innocuous to deflect away attention. Yeah. Yeah. So if you look that up, you find the 40 Committee. And it says that the 40 Committee was replaced by the Operations Advisory Group.

1:07:54 When Gerald Ford got in, but basically the same offices make up this. And then Jimmy Carter called it the NSC special coordination committee, the SCC. So every one of the, you know, they basically have it. One of them was called the five, four, one, two group. But it is people who.

1:08:23 And many times it's done for plausible deniability. They want these people making the decision so the president can go out every day and say, no, I didn't have anything to do with that. And the president goes into this group and or his representative does and basically says, take care of this. And it's implied that taking care of this means to.

1:08:51 Coup the government, assassinate the prime minister or president or whatever. But this, the group, the 303 committee is the group that was basically in charge when the USS Liberty was attacked. And those are the people that they worked up through basically the stand down when the carriers were launching aircraft to go rescue the people. So this has come up repeatedly. Yeah.

1:09:21 Yeah, and if you start cross-referencing the names, you're going to see a lot of not only CFR and NSC crossover. Oh, all of them, yeah. But right when this ended, remember, that's the year that Rockefeller, Kissinger, and Brzezinski gave us the Atlantic Council. It was 71, right when the 3S group ended. So I think there's a direct transition from one to the other, and lo and behold, a lot of the names keep appearing. And what's interesting about that is...

1:09:51 The Atlantic Council, and I know that we tend to talk about there being a uniparty, and in fact there are, but a lot of the, they go to separate camps. And what you just mentioned is because the Nixon administration came in, so all of the people that were thrown out to the Republican dugouts, which is what I call them, they go to the dugouts when they're not at bat.

1:10:21 And so whenever the other team is in, they have to go to one of these locations. And so it's interesting that you say that because it's basically like they took the 303 committee and just housed it inside of that, right? Well, yeah, and it's like a revolving door. Maybe there's 40 people in the committee, but over the course of a 10-year period, you'll see about 120 to 150 names. And they go in and out through corporate America.

1:10:51 into the bureaucracy and other positions. And they always end up, you know, a lot of them get married to each other. I mean, that's when that started. So, you know, it's just the same group of people and same pedigrees, same connections over and over again. Exactly. Yep. Agree. Okay. Well, I'm going to step down and go get some baby back ribs. I'll listen to another 10 minutes, but I'll be silent. Okay. All right. Thanks for being here. All along.

1:11:22 Hi, Colonel. I just want to say, unfortunately, I missed the first half hour of today's discussion. But I just wanted to point out, you know, that the period we're in right now, the transition from 63 to 64, the, quote, JFK administration to the, quote, LBJ administration is, you know, basically the core of.

1:11:51 Disinformation narrative. OK, why is that? Because, you know, we teach politics to 100 percent of the population. Right. In terms of these these presidential administrations, quote unquote. But we don't teach the, you know, bureaucratic and CIA policies that are going on through that are running through these administrations. Right.

1:12:22 And there's a lot that is lost in the translation sometimes. And in particular, one of the things I noticed as far as the left gatekeepers, and again, a lot of people might give two DMs about the so-called left or the left gatekeepers, but the reason I think it's a concern for everyone is that it affects the...

1:12:47 narrative that eventually gets passed on to everyone in one way or another. In other words, the only thing that the rest of the media listens to, the quote unquote left, is the shit that they're lying about, namely the JFK assassination and the major assassinations. Well, isn't that special? But what's so critical is the disconnect that seems to be mandated between the JFK assassination

1:13:18 And JFK's policy, which was getting out of Vietnam. I mean, you're going to see disagreement on that. But if you as a youngster reading the major league left gatekeepers like Noam Chomsky, Alexander Coburn, Seymour Hersh, they were all denying the you know, the the history that JFK was getting out of Vietnam. And funny thing.

1:13:46 That was the only place they agreed with the middle, the centrist Democrats. Everything else, they're blasting the Democrats, you know, because it's not going to really matter. But when it comes to JFK's assassination and his Vietnam policy, that is dead center of our whole master narrative because it affects what every kid is going to be learning or not learning in high school, right?

1:14:15 So what the CIA did was they created a fake left to lie about the really big stuff to the left and then make the left knowledgeable about the little capillary truths that only college students are going to ever learn about to begin with. And the other thing I just wanted to mention was that this discussion of the 303, I'm not really familiar with that term, but I...

1:14:44 I'm curious about where whether and where it may overlap with another something that I've read a fair amount about. I'm trying to write something about called the Operations Coordinating Board, which I know, Colonel, you have come across before. But that relates to I think it's way understudied. It was created as part of the National Security Council, but not in the beginning when it was the NSC was formed in 47, but rather in September.

1:15:15 1953. And it was ended by JFK in February, 1961 as something that he perceived as like too cluttered and with too much like scrawl and potential lack of presidential control in February of 61, just as he's coming into the white house. Right. And basically, well, hold on a second.

1:15:40 The point needs to be made, and let me make this point real quick. Each president's National Security Council is set up the way they want it set up. And what you're describing is the same thing as the 303. Like I said, they come up with different names, and that was what Johnson called his after Kennedy was gone. And just so that people understand.

1:16:09 There is a group of people based on certain positions that will be invited into a generally it can be once a week, depending on what's going on. It can be a couple of times a month or it can be once a month. And they will identify the office of which the person that they want. It's based on your job.

1:16:38 So it will be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It will be. And in many of these cases, your deputy is not allowed to be there because you have to be read into a specific program in order to sit on these bodies. So you're not even allowed to have a substitute come in for you. So it'll be the VP. It will be the National Security Advisor to the VP.

1:17:05 It will be the national security advisor to the president. It will be the CIA director. And in some cases, it may be two or three CIA people like the guy that's in charge of their clandestine. But every single one of them does it their own way and they will call it something specific. And for example, when Eisenhower wanted to murder, assassinate Lumumba, that's what he did.

1:17:34 He basically gave it to this entity and Alan Dulles called this entity together and said that according and Eisenhower did not address the actual group. He addressed Alan Dulles and Alan Dulles told this group what the president had said. And basically you handle it because they want plausible deniability. Right. And.

1:18:05 Yeah, just a few general points about the OCB, which I think directly may relate to what you're describing as domestic Gladio opportunity points, is that first of all, the OCB was post-approval by the president. In other words, their job was to mediate and supervise.

1:18:34 policies already approved by the NSC, signed by the president, and monitor how they were being implemented into the various departments of the executive branch. Now, guess what? There's a few different branches in the executive branch, so there's a lot of variation that could occur there as, you know, said policy is implemented, say, in the education department differently from the agriculture and DOD, okay?

1:19:04 The second point is that, you know, according to my research, you know, I can see a lot of possibilities for future domestic gladio operations that were, for example, there's one program called Operation Vigilant Liberty that was sort of, it had a lot of enthusiasm at first, but it was passed by the NSC and then widely rejected by many different parts of the.

1:19:32 executive branch, but possibly not by others. And in other words, last key point, because I'm babbling on here, the folks who were heading the OCB were two very, very significant folks with a lot of extra resources that they could garner, namely C.D. Jackson in 53 and 54 and Nelson Rockefeller in 1955.

1:20:01 I think we should all get curious about what Mr. Nelson Rockefeller's 1955 was like. Because that's first approval. Yeah, I agree. Harry, what you got? I sent you a tweet. I think it was last week. The FBI tweeted out that, you know, we need to be aware of pre-crime.

1:20:34 I don't know if you remember. I don't think you reacted to it. I'll try to find it. What? Yeah, I did. Oh, you did. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you know about it. It's just when you were talking about people don't understand that that's happening now. That's a thought crime. Pre-crime is the new word for thought crime. Right. Yes. That's what they were.

1:21:04 um uh the phoenix program they called it a thought crime and now it's pretty it's the exact same thing yeah yeah have you seen the film clock a clockwork orange no oh my god you have to see it oh my god i don't watch movies i read books um it's based on a book i know but i'm just i'm just telling you i don't watch movies cool thanks sure i'll read a book

1:21:35 but I don't watch movies. I have a question for you, Colonel. Can you give some examples for people that may be new to this, what a Gladio event would look like in people's lifetime so they can kind of wrap their brain around it, kind of like paint a picture? Oh, my gosh. Well, I guess it depends on how old you are, whether or not they happen in your lifetime. In the last 20 years. How about that?

1:22:08 If you understand, let's first go over in case we have new people. We just talked about during the Vietnam era where a operation will entail somebody dressing up. So let's start with Operation Northwood because it's the best example.

1:22:34 um that was planned for the united states and we'll bring it forward so in um the early 1960s around the same time that all the shit's happening that we're talking about in the phoenix program um general lyman limitsker who was the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff while kennedy was president um decided as a um option when they could not get castro

1:23:03 dislodged from Cuba, that he was going to draft a plan and brief it to the Secretary of Defense, which was McNamara, and then on to Kennedy that suggested a group of... Hello, everyone. A group of military people. Okay, so we get rid of people that do that. Anyway, he...

1:23:47 drafted a plan that included dressing up as Cubans in Cuban uniforms and blowing up several American cities, like significant venues and cities, and or attacking a U.S. ship in a foreign port dressed up like Cubans.

1:24:18 So that they could blame the Cuban government, Castro, and then justify a full-scale army-led invasion into Cuba to kill Castro. Now, Castro didn't do a damn thing, okay? Castro had nothing to do with it. It would be 100% done by our government against its own domestic population. This is what the four-star general...

1:24:47 was recommending and that they would then use a domestic terror event to change our country and, in this case, other countries forever. And they didn't give a shit about how many people died in the process. So that's what Operation Gladio is. And Operation Gladio has happened all over the world. It was originally designed to be

1:25:17 and required, by the way, for any NATO member to have Operation Gladio capability within their country. So it could be utilized whenever the collective needed them activated, like in an upcoming election or whatever, to make sure that they could control who was in charge of these countries. And then it branched out after the first couple of years to be using this tactic everywhere.

1:25:47 So if you go back and you look at several events, the Boston Marathon bombing would be a good example of that, where the 9-11 would be another example of that. Because after each of these events, major things happened legislatively and terror-wise.

1:26:14 Because their intent is to use these domestic terror events in order to shape legislation, who's getting elected, that type of thing. And we began looking into several of the more famous ones, the Jonestown Kool-Aid thing, which happened during my lifetime. And we found that

1:26:42 Jim Jones was a CIA asset. He was deployed to Brazil and helped the Brazilian coup that the CIA led there. He was participating in MKUltra experiments in San Francisco. He continued to participate in them when he moved his church down to Guyana. And the Guyana installation that he moved his church down to had in fact been an Operation Gladio terror training camp where they trained

1:27:12 Gladio operators to deploy over into Venezuela and to other Latin American countries. Does that help? I think it paints a picture to help people understand kind of what you're talking about. And so thank you very much. So when we talk about Vietnam and they're talking about dressing up as the North and perpetrating terror events, that is what they're talking about.

1:27:44 I've encouraged people to do now when they're reading nonfiction books is to begin to look at they don't, for some reason, either because they don't know about Operation Gladio or they don't want to draw attention to the bigger implication of a particular operation.

1:28:10 Um, they don't mention what it is. And I don't know which of those two, I'm not going to assign, um, uh, intent or motive, um, as to which of those two it is. Cause I don't know. Um, but once you know what it is, and once you begin looking at our history, um, you begin to see it in a whole bunch of different places. Um, and so I just.

1:28:40 Again, I found it very interesting. Let's see. Martin Bott, go ahead, and then we'll go to Bridget. Hello from Germany. Actually, I recall an incident with the German terrorist, communist terrorist group of the 1970s, the RAF, Rotarmee, as soon as they say, they call themselves. And it was in 1977 when I was born.

1:29:10 13 years of age or 12 years of age and we had just moved to floto on the way to the bielefeld hannover area and i was walking with my mother through the town and there was a car with all sort of leds flickering around in the car and i looked into the car and then two guys came uh over the place from from a church on the other side of the place they got into the car

1:29:40 and looked angry at me and my mother, and then they drove up the street. And they looked exactly like two of the terrorists which were hanging around everywhere in every post office and everywhere on the wanted list. And my mother still today is certain that these were these two terrorists, but they wouldn't have run around without a false beard.

1:30:09 glasses and so on right they would have at least some of the camouflage uh but they had nothing they were exactly made up like on the on the wanted uh pictures at the post office and police station that's crazy so i know i know first uh from my own experience that here in germany they terrorize the people with such operations

1:30:37 Secret Service agents imitating terrorists. And my father, my mother and father, they discussed about whether I should call the police. And my father was too afraid to call the police and to talk about this because I could maybe shoot him or something. That's perfect. Yeah, it's really, it's all a child. The whole communist terrorist craze of the 1970s was a big...

1:31:08 It's IOP in Germany. Yes. There was a big sigh up everywhere, actually. Go ahead, Bridget. One of the things that has always been retrained my brain on the gladio operations was the labels that they give like the anti-communist or anti-Semitic or anti-gay Jesus.

1:31:40 you know, homophobic, et cetera, et cetera, that they tend to label groups as anti-terrorism. Those tend to be triggers that, you know, definitely thinned up my senses anymore. Anytime we see that, would you, and I'm just asking, would you say that January 6th, because there were, as we know now,

1:32:10 intelligence officers there dressed up as MAGA people committing terrorist-type situations. Would you call that a domestic gladiator operation? Absolutely. It's not that even the intel people were doing it. There were actual Ukrainians there dressed up as MAGA. Right. So there was a coordinated effort.

1:32:37 And just like all of these operations that we're researching. So where did the, this is a pop quiz for everybody that's got a microphone. Where were outside, and I'll just call them Gladio people, recruited from when we first started the Vietnam story? Where did they bring them in from?

1:33:08 Do you remember? The Korean people? Where did they bring the paramilitary? No, not Ukraine. Where did they bring the paramilitary people in with General Lansdale? Where had he just been? Was it not Taiwan? He had actually been in the Philippines. Philippines. And so they brought in trained.

1:33:36 um gladio people into vietnam in the 50s that where he had been um and we saw them uh do the exact same thing in all of latin america where they were bringing in the uh quote unquote uh cuban exiles so they have these cadres of trained terrorists that they travel with and that's how they jump start the train

1:34:04 training of new terrorists in these new areas. And it's critical to understand that there is a combination of them. So it is not just intel. There are pockets, like we talked about the 20,000 trained Colombians down in Colombia, that they rent to NATO and to the UN to go on these quote-unquote missions.

1:34:34 What they're trained in is not humanitarian. They are trained to be terrorists. So who the hell is renting terrorists? So that's kind of what the exposure, the journey has led us to understand, that when you have an event that fundamentally changes a country, which January 6th did,

1:35:04 The very first thing everybody needs to ask is where the hell were all the CIA agents? Because they're going to be all in it. And where did they bring these people from? Where did they train them? And if I was in charge, that's exactly what you would have to do. You track every single one of the bastards down because they're behind it.

1:35:27 And I've now worked my way through from 1945, when they were created in 1948, on. And because 1942 to 1945, they were actually setting these up, as we have talked about during World War II, they were called werewolf units. So this has been around for a very long time. It has a very definitive...

1:36:00 And they're actually fairly easy to find even now going back because of what Bridget outlined, the terminology that they use. You begin to see the patterns of the different groups and then the layered NGOs on top of those groups. They become fairly easy to find. Right. Like the, well, just like the USAID.

1:36:28 Anytime they're sending, quote, humanitarian aid, like Cousinet, and I have found when we were working our way through Haiti, we found that when they did open those humanitarian aid, which was supposed to be diapers and toiletries and blah, blah, blah, it was actually uniforms and weapons. But, right, and that was...

1:36:59 And Cousinet just brought up the difference. Anytime you hear them label color revolution, just that it is a coup. Anytime they're overthrowing a country, you always have to stop and dissect it because they've couped so many countries. They have thrown out openly admitting to overthrowing other countries' governments to make them, quote, more.

1:37:31 easy to work with. No, no, Bridget. No. They do it to create a more democratic government. Right. Well, that's what I was going to say. They use all these different labels. No, just that one. They're actually creating terror and adopting communist tactics to implement democracy.

1:37:58 Right. It's all about democracy. Yeah, they destroyed the democratically elected president to basically create a democracy. But that's what we just had. No, no, no, you didn't. Right. Speaking of which, that seems to be going on there. The U.S. sees the airplane.

1:38:28 Of the democratically elected president of, oh, I sent it to you earlier and I just blanked out. Venezuela. Venezuela. Thank you. And that's purely in the name of democracy, I'm sure, right? So that's actually a very interesting situation. And I want everybody to think about this.

1:39:02 The United States, and I don't care what you think about Venezuela. I don't care what you think about their form of government. I don't care about any of that. We have to, at some point, get back to the premise that every country is entitled to be the type of country they want to be. We have enough weapons to destroy anybody.

1:39:32 If they actually attacked us, right? We have defensive mechanisms that would ensure the interception. So we have enough weaponry to protect ourselves. We should never be in the business of telling another country what kind of government that they are allowed to have or installing a fake government in another country. Nor should we ever.

1:40:01 steal shit from another country. We should not freeze their assets. We should not, because by the way, freezing someone's assets in the United States drives business away from the United States. If I cannot bank here, and by the way, we're up in arms that Brazil just did that to Elon Musk, right? We do it every fucking day.

1:40:31 We do it to everybody we don't like. We've done it for decades. So we just up and stole a multi-million dollar aircraft from a foreign leader. I don't know how anybody in the United States can be okay with that. Because we were taught that stealing is wrong. But your government is saying,

1:41:01 Stealing is fine when I do it. No one else is allowed to do it because we're going to be all pissed off at Brazil for doing what they did to Elon Musk. What Brazil did was not right to Elon Musk, but Brazil needs to figure that out, not the United States. And we shouldn't be stealing shit from other people. Go ahead, Martin Bott. Yep. The 6th of January was trained here in Germany half a year before.

1:41:34 And they stomped the Reichstag. Well, they stopped in front of the door, but they pretended. So it was really interesting training session for us. And, well, democracy is when everyone follows the leader. No one is opposing the leader. So you have to bump off everyone not collaborating with the state. Right. I don't know, but I think that's more totalitarian than democracy. But, you know.

1:42:03 Maybe I've got my permanent question backwards. Exactly. But that's the thinking in Germany, right? Yeah. We're the communists while we're saving the world and calling it a democracy. Yeah. Führerprinzip, as they say in Germany. The leader principle. The leader is the boss. Everyone has to follow him. And that's then democratic because everyone is following the leader. So he's not against the system. Yeah, it's quite amazing, actually. Carrie, go ahead.

1:42:35 Carrie, go ahead. Yeah, they, in Iraq, they, like Halliburton, had shipped in a whole plane full of workers from the Philippines that didn't know, they weren't told where they were going, or they were lied to, about that they were going to go and work.

1:43:04 In the freaking war zone of Iraq. I think they just pick these places that have no power and just ravage them like cannibals. Well, I wouldn't say that. And I have not looked specifically at the Filipinos that came to Iraq. I do know that we had people that we hired.

1:43:36 to perform, I'm going to call it work because most of it was paramilitary. And you would have to actually figure out where those people were from and who recruited them in order to know whether or not they in fact didn't know where they were going. Because most of the time, the people that I met in Iraq,

1:44:03 They knew where they were going. They know what they were being paid to go there. And they knew what they were going to be doing when they got there. Because Iraq was not the only place they had ever been doing the exact same thing. There are people that make a living of doing that. And they generally are from places where we've been and did it.

1:44:28 train them to do it internally, and then drag them around with us when we go forward to other places. For example, there were people that when we overthrew the government in Honduras that became basically CIA contractors that then moved over to Guatemala when we were overthrowing the government in Nicaragua.

1:44:53 And there are people that we trained in El Salvador that moved around to several of the other because they have to have people that look like them in order to be able to pretend that they're doing these false flags and to be able to get away with it. You know, the white guy with blue eyes isn't going to be able to pretend that he's Nicaraguan.

1:45:20 They do this on purpose. It's actually a thing. Anyway, do we have any other questions? I'm going to start randomly going through the audience and handing them mics tomorrow. I'd see all of these same people here day after day, and none of them come up here and talk to us. So you guys need to be paying attention. Come on up. Yeah. Yeah. Because tomorrow.

1:46:03 I'm going to start handing out Mike. Some people have stage fright. Freedom. Go ahead. Freedom for all just came up, but you have to unmute your mic. Patriot. Hi, thanks for letting me speak. Can you hear me? Yeah. Just making sure. So, so what's the best way to have hope with.

1:46:50 um these things we know that they do and on the um on the men coming into our country and it um who is keeping track of them is anyone keeping track of them and um um like really what's going to happen so i mean i don't know that any of us know exactly what's going to happen so i'm not going to pretend that i do but i will tell you that our technology

1:47:24 at the border has been, a lot of it's not talked about, but we have layered technology. We have drone capability. We have aircraft that flies the border. We have satellites. I don't know if you guys know that Starlink has, every Starlink satellite has a portion of each satellite set aside for military use only.

1:47:54 there is an entire constellation around the entire earth. It's virtually impossible to move without someone knowing where you're at. Every one of these people that has come across the border, 99% of them have phones. Some of them are given phones. And even the couriers, the traffickers, turn their phones on and take pictures at the border.

1:48:23 When they come up, that's captured. So my opinion, based on my knowledge of researching the capabilities that we have that are not classified, and then extrapolating what I know of the capacity that we currently have, what we know is about 20 years behind what we actually have.

1:48:51 So, and I'll give you an example. When the U.S. military started using what we now call GPS, was about 20 years before it was ever talked about in civilian application, before it was declassified. We didn't want anybody knowing that we could see them, that we could navigate.

1:49:21 the way that we could using GPS for a couple of decades before it was uncovered and then released for civilian companies to use that technology. Same thing with fiber optics. We had it for, as a matter of fact, the general I worked for at Los Angeles Air Force Base was one of the three engineers that designed

1:49:49 and created technology-wise fiber optics. And they did it at the Air Force Research Lab at Wright-Patt Air Force Base. And that was done decades before anybody knew that that was even a thing. So the technology that our government has is significantly more advanced than anything that you and I know now. And I honestly believe that all of those people

1:50:18 are being tracked. But as I have said in several of these spaces, you cut off their funding, you start arresting employers that hire them and they self-deport overnight. So I believe that's where we're going. And I believe that's what's going to happen. It is not going to, will we have to have some flown out involuntarily? Absolutely. Do I think that's going to be the majority? Absolutely not.

1:50:48 But no one is going to stay in the United States and starve to death. And I hope, other than the bleeding heart idiots, I hope nobody falls for any of that bullshit if and when they start doing that. You can starve to death. Your ass is not supposed to be here. Get on an airplane and leave. That's it. And I hope for the cadre of people that we've touched.

1:51:16 In explaining all of what has gone on in the past and what these people are capable of, that everybody gets their backbone straight as an arrow and says the exact same thing. We tolerate nothing less than that. And lastly, I don't think...

1:51:44 The way Operation Gladio has worked in the past is these people are airlifted in, they do a mission, and they're gone. It is not going to be the random person swimming across the river and randomly coming into a port.

1:52:10 that has no training whatsoever, and nor would they train someone to the extent that they train these people and allow some random process for them to get into the country. That's not how any of this works. They train them in a camp, generally inside the United States, for these types of missions, and generally they're not unknown to them. So they're not going to randomly go, oh, you look like an illegal, hey, you want to come to this camp. That's not how any of this works.

1:52:40 So if they're going to orchestrate a domestic terror event, it will be well planned. The people will be well trained and they don't leave a lot for speculation. And again, if you were going to randomly, and that doesn't mean that some of these people aren't doing bad things. They absolutely are.

1:53:12 If if they're going to do something and it's going to be an Operation Gladio style event, it will be like all of the rest of them that we have seen in the past, which uses specialized people to do it. So I I definitely know that.

1:53:34 If you listen, the best speech that I can point you to is when President Trump was in Poland and he gave a speech. If you go read that speech, he talks about these terror networks. He basically is telling Poland because they were significantly affected by the ones that Hitler set up.

1:54:00 In World War II, they had tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people murdered as a result of those. And he is talking to them, telling them that he intends to wipe out, it's a worldwide, and he says out loud that Putin is not our enemy, that there is a worldwide network of terrorists and his job is to dismantle them. And I'm paraphrasing, but...

1:54:29 It is if you understand Gladio and you listen and you read that speech, you know exactly that Trump knows exactly what he's he knows all of this. None of that's new. So, Alfred, go ahead. Hi, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. OK, so one thing, you know, I keep thinking this is great information. Thank you for doing this room and putting out all this great information. I really appreciate it. I'm sure a lot of people do.

1:55:04 You know, the one thing I keep thinking about is, you know, what is the point of all this? And I'm starting to realize or I have been realizing for a while that what we think of as government, you know, the republic or democracy or these politicians that are up there, you know, leading us actually isn't the government. And it strikes me that really what all this is about is who controls the money via the central bank.

1:55:33 Going back to control of the central bank, if we look around, we see, you know, these central banks have been installed in all these countries. And that's no one ever thinks, oh, the whoever controls the money controls the politicians, the media, I say health care, whatever. So I just I think that maybe. So you bring up a good point. And we kind of did talk about.

1:56:04 what the origins briefly about Gladio. But let me also go back to Cynthia Chung's book, who in the late 1800s, there's the Fabian Society that decided basically that we were going to have international fascism or totalitarianism, based on how you want to define the two things, where you basically have a fake government.

1:56:33 And you have oligarchs behind that government and the oligarchs run everything. And they decide who's sitting in the presidents. The entire government is selected, not elected. And they're very clear on exactly what they want to do. And they're very clear on exactly how they're going to do it. And they actually talk about orchestrating and controlling people like they're cows.

1:56:58 And when I read her book, I got the distinct impression that, and these are the same people, by the way, that funded the creation of the Bolsheviks in Russia and Hitler and FDR. They all came from the same place. They all came from London and they all came from New York City. And most of them in New York City were working at 120 Broadway in New York City.

1:57:24 And so these people basically created these different and then they framed it because it's a psychological warfare as well. They framed it left and right. And if you can imagine a cattle farmer or rancher out there with cattle prods and you've got one on the left and one on the right and they just keep buzzing the cows to get them in the chute onto the train to your own mass murder. And that's basically what has been set up.

1:57:53 And in order for this to work, the plan was you have three world wars. And they literally wrote this down. We've had two. And most people believe that the third one was not necessarily a overt war, but more of a covert war carried out through these rolling coups, installing fascist dictators behind each one of them.

1:58:21 And that's what basically Operation Condor, which happened in Latin America and Operation Gladio, which primarily happened in Europe, was all about. It was to make sure that the person that they had selected to be president was going to be president. And any of the masses that began organizing into a counter.

1:58:44 um opposition to who they selected they committed domestic terror against to scare the hell out of people and make those people be shunned so that no one followed them so i'm sorry what was the name of that book well um it's called the black or hold on the empire in which the black sun never set um something to that effect and it's cynthia is c-y-n-t-h-i-a

1:59:16 chung c-h-u-n-g um very very um brilliant writer um and she did all of the research um she even talks about the original design of stay behind units which is what this concept is called and how it was discovered in a bore the second bore well the first bore war um the bores

1:59:43 in the southern part of Africa when the British went in to steal all of their shit down there, had basically weapon caches and fell in after the British soldiers went into basically where they were going to be entrapped.

1:59:59 The Boers sprung up behind them with these cached weapons and basically annihilated them. Humiliating defeat. They went back, got tons more people, came back and basically assassinated all the Boers. But the Boers did win the First Boer War. And the young reporter that was embedded with the troops from the British Empire was Winston Churchill. He was a reporter.

2:00:24 And it was from that experience where he then moves up through the war, becomes the minister of war and eventually prime minister. And he implemented a similar concept. And in England, they were called the Jedbergs. During World War II, Hitler used Otto Skorzeny and Reinhard Galen to set up the entire network on the Axis side.

2:00:52 So by the time World War II was over, these units were everywhere. Everybody had them, and they just perpetuated that, and they were set up under the guise of anti-terror, anti-communism, but they were never, ever used against a single communist. They were used against a lot of people that they labeled as a communist, but never once were they ever used against actual communists.

2:01:20 It's really interesting. You know, I don't mean to change topic or get off topic here, but have you ever read a book called, you probably have, Tower of Basel? Yes. Yeah. Just wondering. Thanks again. Sure. No problem. Martin, go ahead. The military and the secret agencies equipment, that's not that secret. Everything of their stuff was published before.

2:01:53 Right. I had a discussion with someone who was operating a Gepard Flak anti-tank, anti-aircraft tank 30 years ago. He got a glimpse of a new radar today and they could even, there was a question, could you see a bird, could you identify a bird or a bird-like drone? And he said, well, of course, you can put on the new radar, you could identify everything. And so I picked a picture from my internet site, which is there.

2:02:22 about 20 years, put it on an X, and showed him a picture of a person, or a dummy in this case, but where you could identify the face, could see a complete person on radar, with a high-resolution radar. And these guys who were from the military, they don't know the modern, or the state of the art. They only get soldier-proof materials. And that's a good point.

2:02:49 When I was stationed at Los Angeles Air Force Base, where we bought space systems like satellites, we bought launch vehicles. If you are not read into a program, you don't know that it even exists. And so, oddly enough, because of the job that I had.

2:03:15 I recruited for them and they would give me particular characteristics of people's educations, experiments that they had worked on, research that they had authored for me to go out and recruit people. Well, if you're not a stupid person, it became very obvious what they were working on in these classified programs based on the attributes of these people that they wanted.

2:03:39 And I didn't pretend to know anything about the development of satellites or their capability at the time. But they had weather programs out there. They had all kinds of reconnaissance programs. And you could kind of figure out what it was that they were doing and what areas that they were trying to develop based on the research that they wanted me to go look for. And so, again.

2:04:07 I did not know anything about what they were doing officially. The guy next to me, the guy in the next program. So one of my friends worked in the classified GPS and he was there when they declassified it and was turning it over to civilian use. He didn't know anything about the program next door that was in the same building as his. But again.

2:04:30 If you are not read into that program, you're not allowed in it. They have these highly classified systems like reading your retina, and this was back in the 80s, that you could not get into these facilities unless you cut somebody's hand off that had their fingerprint already approved in the system. But I went into some of them because I actually gave briefings in their auditoriums in these classified areas.

2:05:00 And I was just mind boggled by the amount of security in these different offices. Security systems I didn't even know existed. And I didn't see them in normal use until like from 1987 to 90 until I went to like in 99 to Cintcom, which obviously has a lot of secured areas as well. But I had never seen them in another location.

2:05:29 A lot of people that are in the military have no clue what the military is actually doing. That's not uncommon because you are not read into the capability if you don't have. Sorry about that. That's lightning. We're about ready to have a storm. If you don't have a need to know, you're just not read into it. So, OK, we're over time. So I'm going to get off here so I can eat dinner before I have to meet Trump frog.

2:06:03 at 8 o'clock. We will be back here at 8 o'clock talking about more of Operation Gladio and a host of other things with the host, Trump Frog, and I'm looking forward to being there. Otherwise, I will see you back at 4 o'clock tomorrow for more of Vietnam and the Phoenix program.

2:06:30 And there will be an exam at the end of the space tonight, so everybody be prepared. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Colonel. Thank you, Bridget. Thank you, Cousinette. See you guys tonight.

Entities here

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Claims made here

CIA funded Hawaii East West Center host_asserted ▶ 1:48

“that was sponsored by the CIA, which I have on my list to cover. It will be a show because it's crazy. But the CIA put many of those around, and generally they're on military bases, weirdly enough. Ki…”

CIA funded School of the Americas host_asserted ▶ 1:48

Frank Scotton recruited CIA host_asserted ▶ 2:47

“AID, and also the U.S. Information Agency, which is basically a propaganda arm of the CIA disguised as a State Department entity. So we left off with a guy by the name of Frank Scotton, S-C-O-T-T-O-N,…”

Everett Bumgartner member_of United States Information Agency host_asserted ▶ 3:18

“Had went to Thailand and Cambodia and all over the Southeast Asia, basically. We also met Everett Bumgartner, B-U-M-G-A-R-T-N-E-R, who was the chief of the U.S. Information Office field operations in …”

Everett Bumgartner worked_with John Paul Vann host_asserted ▶ 3:49

“He basically had worked very closely with Lansdell in a couple of different prior locations, among them the Philippines. And we talked about what happened in the Philippines on multiple different spac…”

Everett Bumgartner introduced Frank Scotton host_asserted ▶ 4:43

“that were in the CIA, later came back as ambassadors to these countries after having orchestrated some of this horrific garbage in the country. A number of them did that. So Bumgartner introduced Scot…”

John Paul Vann advisor_to Chau host_asserted ▶ 4:43

Chau trained_at Fort Bragg host_asserted ▶ 5:12

“Knock Chow. He was probably one of the most controversial province chiefs. Chow had been a CIA asset for a long time. He had graduated from a Fort Bragg school here in the United States. He also…”

Chau asset_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 5:12

Frank Scotton worked_with John Paul Vann book_quoted ▶ 6:15

“In a book called The CIA and the Vietnam Debacle, this is a quote. Frank Scotton was the originator of the Provincial Reconnaissance Unit Program, the predecessor to the Phoenix Program. For years, he…”

Everett Bumgartner deputy_to Richard Helms book_quoted ▶ 7:01

“Everett Baumgardner was Colby's deputy in the theater and used to oversee pacification efforts in the central provinces of Vietnam. And if you guys recall the map we originally used, there was the nor…”

Everett Bumgartner in_charge_of Phoenix Program book_quoted ▶ 7:31

“like the people in the South, and it became a big contentious effort. So going on with the quote, any person who had the faintest knowledge of the pacification program would know what disasters have v…”

Everett Bumgartner assigned Frank Scotton book_quoted ▶ 7:54

“to talk about when Scotton arrived in Vietnam, Bumgardner assigned him to the Central Highlands. And no one really knew what was going on in that area. So it created a lot of cross signals. And even w…”

CIA controlled CHIEU Hoi book_quoted ▶ 12:48

“Scotton turned to the CIA's defector program, which in April 1963 was placed under the control of the Agency for International Development. That's the AID that I was just mentioning. That's the precur…”

Frank Scotton worked_with Nguyen Thanh book_quoted ▶ 13:17

“which stood for Open Arms Amnesty Program. There, Scotton found the raw material he needed to prove the viability of political action programs. Together with Vietnamese Special Forces, a guy by the na…”

Howard Walters case_officer_for Nguyen Thanh book_quoted ▶ 13:45

“and commanded the 4th Special Ops Detachment, Toy's case officer, U.S. Special Forces Captain Howard Walters, who had also spent quite a bit of time in the Korean War and did PSYOPs over there as well…”

Frank Scotton worked_through Mountain Scouts book_quoted ▶ 13:45

Frank Scotton crossed Nlau Valley book_quoted ▶ 14:13

“As part of the pilot program designed to induce defectors, Scotton, Walters, and Toy crossed the Nlau Valley, set up an ambush deep in Viet Cong territory and waited till dark. When they spotted a Vie…”

National Security Council ordered CIA book_quoted ▶ 18:40

“the city's most sacred Buddhist shrine. Sound familiar? Buddhists immediately took up arms and began fighting. The spectacle was repeated across Vietnam as thousands of Buddhists were arrested and jai…”

Tran Van Don conspired_with Tran Kim Tuyen book_quoted ▶ 19:09

“The search for more dependable, unilaterally controlled army began, and the nascent counterterror teams emerged as a promising candidate. Meanwhile, the Saigon Dem downfall was originating within his …”

Nguyen Van Thieu ordered_to_leave Hue book_quoted ▶ 19:39

“and among others, one of the military generals known as Big Min, who had the backing of the many people throughout the military. Then two other colonels joined the plot, and in October, President Kenn…”

Tran Van Don conspired_with Nguyen Cao Ky book_quoted ▶ 19:39

Nguyen Van Thieu killed_by Military convoy book_quoted ▶ 21:09

“between Cao Thanh and Le Ven streets, the brothers were shot dead. The military men in the vehicle, who hated Nhu, stabbed his corpse many times. The American endured a similar event three weeks later…”

Lyndon B. Johnson approved Operation 40 book_quoted ▶ 22:09

“On December 19, 1963, the Pentagon's planning branch in the Pacific, CINCPAC, presented a plan to a special group. Two weeks later, LBJ approved O-Plan 34A, and Major General Victor Krulik, and I have…”

CINCPAC presented_plan_to National Security Council book_quoted ▶ 22:09

Frank Scotton founded Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 40:29

“is to drive them out of those places into refugee camps, yet again, because they have to demoralize the people to be able to control the people. So, February 1964, Frank Scotton was working on what Og…”

Ian Teague member_of Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 41:02

“type thing. That's the actual quote, a Phoenix type thing. In developing this Phoenix type program, Scott and team with a guy by the name of Ian Teague, T-I-E-G-E. And oddly enough, he's an Australian…”

Robert Kerr member_of Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 41:31

“was a military advisory district advisor. Quote, Kelly was the American on the spot, unquote, Scotton said. He goes on to say, I advised on training and deployment. Teague was the professional soldier…”

Pham Thong member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 43:02

“The impetus for Scotton's Phoenix-like program on the Vietnamese side came from a police chief called Colonel Pham Thong, T-U-O-N-G. He was a longstanding CIA asset, and he anted up a platoon of volun…”

Ralph Johnson funded Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 43:30

“They wanted to fight, Scotton said, but they didn't want to lose. Money and supplies were provided by Ralph Johnson. A 15-day accelerated training cycle was set up, and Scotton called it his motivatio…”

Pierre de Silva headed People's Action Teams host_asserted ▶ 47:43

“So none of it was reliable. Concurrent with the creation of the People's Action Teams, Scotton's team was renamed by Station Chief Pierre DeSalva, and there began a coordination directly with the Whit…”

Pierre de Silva member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 49:14

“In an autobiography called Sub Rosa, Da Silva describes arriving in Vietnam in December 1963 and says he was introduced to Viet Cong terror by one of the officers. Two Viet Cong cadres had basically s…”

CIA covered_up Viet Cong atrocities host_asserted ▶ 50:08

“is these weren't done by the Viet Cong. I had found repeatedly where we did this to terrorize these villagers and then claimed, just like in Operation Gladio, they actually had killed Viet Cong, got t…”

Special Operations Group succeeded Combined Studies Group host_asserted ▶ 58:42

“and was met by Special Forces Colonel who briefed him on his mission. Manzoni was told that he would be working for the Special Operations Group under a number of directives called O-Plans, which is o…”

Elton Manzoni member_of Special Operations Group host_asserted ▶ 58:42

Elton Manzoni carried_out_attack Viet Cong host_asserted ▶ 1:01:39

“trail, counting enemy troops and trucks. Other times they moved from one set of coordinates to another, and they also shot field-grade northern officers, kidnapped prisoners, escorted defectors from t…”

Committee of 40 succeeded 208 Committee caller_asserted ▶ 1:07:25

“It apparently was named the 303 Committee. The blurb says an NSC National Security Council staffer had recommended the new name, and this is in quotes, be something utterly drab and innocuous to defle…”

Operations Advisory Group succeeded Committee of 40 caller_asserted ▶ 1:07:25

National Security Council succeeded Operations Advisory Group caller_asserted ▶ 1:07:54

“When Gerald Ford got in, but basically the same offices make up this. And then Jimmy Carter called it the NSC special coordination committee, the SCC. So every one of the, you know, they basically hav…”

208 Committee headed USS Liberty attack caller_asserted ▶ 1:08:51

“Coup the government, assassinate the prime minister or president or whatever. But this, the group, the 303 committee is the group that was basically in charge when the USS Liberty was attacked. And th…”

Atlantic Council succeeded 208 Committee caller_asserted ▶ 1:09:21

“Yeah, and if you start cross-referencing the names, you're going to see a lot of not only CFR and NSC crossover. Oh, all of them, yeah. But right when this ended, remember, that's the year that Rockef…”

Operations Coordination Board founded National Security Council documented ▶ 1:14:44

“I'm curious about where whether and where it may overlap with another something that I've read a fair amount about. I'm trying to write something about called the Operations Coordinating Board, which …”

John F. Kennedy removed_from_power Operations Coordination Board documented ▶ 1:15:15

“1953. And it was ended by JFK in February, 1961 as something that he perceived as like too cluttered and with too much like scrawl and potential lack of presidential control in February of 61, just as…”

208 Committee front_for Operations Coordination Board host_asserted ▶ 1:15:40

“The point needs to be made, and let me make this point real quick. Each president's National Security Council is set up the way they want it set up. And what you're describing is the same thing as the…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered_assassination_of Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 1:17:05

“It will be the national security advisor to the president. It will be the CIA director. And in some cases, it may be two or three CIA people like the guy that's in charge of their clandestine. But eve…”

Allen Dulles headed 208 Committee host_asserted ▶ 1:17:34

“He basically gave it to this entity and Alan Dulles called this entity together and said that according and Eisenhower did not address the actual group. He addressed Alan Dulles and Alan Dulles told t…”

Nelson Rockefeller headed Operations Coordination Board host_asserted ▶ 1:19:32

“executive branch, but possibly not by others. And in other words, last key point, because I'm babbling on here, the folks who were heading the OCB were two very, very significant folks with a lot of e…”

C.D. Jackson headed Operations Coordination Board host_asserted ▶ 1:19:32

Lyman Lemnitzer carried_out_attack Operation Northwoods host_asserted ▶ 1:22:34

“um that was planned for the united states and we'll bring it forward so in um the early 1960s around the same time that all the shit's happening that we're talking about in the phoenix program um gene…”

Operation Northwoods targeted_for_regime_change Fidel Castro host_asserted ▶ 1:24:18

“So that they could blame the Cuban government, Castro, and then justify a full-scale army-led invasion into Cuba to kill Castro. Now, Castro didn't do a damn thing, okay? Castro had nothing to do with…”

Operation Gladio required North Atlantic Treaty Organization host_asserted ▶ 1:25:17

“and required, by the way, for any NATO member to have Operation Gladio capability within their country. So it could be utilized whenever the collective needed them activated, like in an upcoming elect…”

Jim Jones carried_out_attack Brazil host_asserted ▶ 1:26:42

“Jim Jones was a CIA asset. He was deployed to Brazil and helped the Brazilian coup that the CIA led there. He was participating in MKUltra experiments in San Francisco. He continued to participate in …”

Jim Jones trained MKUltra host_asserted ▶ 1:26:42

Operation Gladio trained Venezuela host_asserted ▶ 1:26:42

Edward Lansdale recruited Philippines host_asserted ▶ 1:33:08

“Do you remember? The Korean people? Where did they bring the paramilitary? No, not Ukraine. Where did they bring the paramilitary people in with General Lansdale? Where had he just been? Was it not Ta…”

USAID supplied_arms_to Haiti host_asserted ▶ 1:36:28

“Anytime they're sending, quote, humanitarian aid, like Cousinet, and I have found when we were working our way through Haiti, we found that when they did open those humanitarian aid, which was suppose…”

Donald Trump targeted_for_regime_change Poland host_asserted ▶ 1:53:34

“If you listen, the best speech that I can point you to is when President Trump was in Poland and he gave a speech. If you go read that speech, he talks about these terror networks. He basically is tel…”

Adolf Hitler carried_out_attack Poland host_asserted ▶ 1:54:00

“In World War II, they had tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people murdered as a result of those. And he is talking to them, telling them that he intends to wipe out, it's a worldwide…”

Fabian Society funded Adolf Hitler book_quoted ▶ 1:56:58

“And when I read her book, I got the distinct impression that, and these are the same people, by the way, that funded the creation of the Bolsheviks in Russia and Hitler and FDR. They all came from the…”

Fabian Society funded Bolsheviks book_quoted ▶ 1:56:58

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Latin America host_asserted ▶ 1:58:21

“And that's what basically Operation Condor, which happened in Latin America and Operation Gladio, which primarily happened in Europe, was all about. It was to make sure that the person that they had s…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack France host_asserted ▶ 1:58:21

United Kingdom carried_out_attack South Africa book_quoted ▶ 1:59:43

“in the southern part of Africa when the British went in to steal all of their shit down there, had basically weapon caches and fell in after the British soldiers went into basically where they were go…”

Winston Churchill member_of United Kingdom book_quoted ▶ 1:59:59

“The Boers sprung up behind them with these cached weapons and basically annihilated them. Humiliating defeat. They went back, got tons more people, came back and basically assassinated all the Boers. …”

Reinhard Gehlen member_of Axis Powers book_quoted ▶ 2:00:24

“And it was from that experience where he then moves up through the war, becomes the minister of war and eventually prime minister. And he implemented a similar concept. And in England, they were calle…”

Adolf Hitler recruited Reinhard Gehlen book_quoted ▶ 2:00:24

Otto Skorzeny member_of Axis Powers book_quoted ▶ 2:00:24

Winston Churchill headed United Kingdom book_quoted ▶ 2:00:24

Adolf Hitler recruited Otto Skorzeny book_quoted ▶ 2:00:24