Operation Gladio Vietnam Part 3

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0:00 Well, this ought to be fun. It's already trying to kick me out by not even letting me make my own space today. So, this should be a hoot. Well, at least, you know, they say if you're not making ripples. Oh, I think we made a few waves today. I would say. Pissing off all the right people. They make it so easy. Oh, my God.

0:38 It's so easy. I'm like, dude, you're not even crying. You know? Well, maybe a little bit. Maybe a little bit. Yeah, maybe just a little bit. So I have to get back to, I'm sorry, I was just, we've got in, got everything out of the RV and I've not had.

1:13 A whole lot of chance to get back into the groove here of this part. I got a little sidetracked by having to kick some butt on X. And we always love it when you do that. Well, like you said, there's just so many. There's so many. Okay.

1:43 So we probably, since we have gotten quite a few new people in, we'll need to go over the rules here on how we do this. And basically we do like a one hour presentation.

2:11 And then we open it up for questions. So that's kind of the operating style. And I'm looking for my marked while we talk articles that I was going to throw at you today.

2:52 Because I'm kind of torn between taking a sec and going over the kind of big picture again, just so that everybody understands the context in which we're talking.

3:22 Because the next several countries that we're going to cover as it relates to Operation Gladio are going to share some commonalities. So you have to understand the big picture, and then we kind of drill down into the specifics. And the big picture of what we're talking about is in the immediate aftermath of World War II, where you have...

3:53 Basically, Japan occupying all of most of all of Asia, the Korean Peninsula, the Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and even most of China. And so when you look at that, those all.

4:17 are very interrelated. We throw up a map and you can see the close proximity of the Philippines, Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia. So they're all kind of in that area. And what was happening in addition to Japan being in China, you also had a communist

4:47 And I'm going to define communism because it's important to understand what that means in relationship to Operation Gladio. In China, the communist element led by Mao was meeting resistance from a guy by the name of Chiang Kai-shek.

5:17 and his predecessors, the KMT Army, for ease of conversation. And there is an entire conversation to be had around what prompted the communist uprising and the fight against Chiang Kai-shek. And depending on who you talk to, I'm just going to present you both sides of this to let you know.

5:49 that there's a big question mark over whether the chicken or the egg came first in this. Because if you go back even further, you have the UK coming into China via India with opium. And that's the Boxer War one and Boxer War, the Boxer Rebellions. You guys probably read about that in school.

6:17 that introduced opium into China. And as a result of that, there was an entire industry that grew up around drugging the Chinese people because China at the time had lots of resources. And you find out that during the first Boxer Rebellion,

6:46 of the Chinese people trying to kick the UK with their drugs out, they ended up with Hong Kong in a settlement because the UK won. And in the second one, they end up with a few other provinces, namely Shanghai, and Shanghai becomes an international city. Now, if you go back and you look at all of the US companies that end up in Shanghai, you would be dumbfounded at...

7:15 the number of people. And that's where William Polly goes to hang out with his Curtis aircraft franchise. And he starts building aircraft over there for Chiang Kai-shek. He is arming and equipping as a private civilian, a military entity. And there are people that believe, and you can believe whatever you want, I suggest you go research it. There are people that believe the entire, quote unquote, communist uprising that occurred.

7:45 in China was to push Chiang Kai-shek out because he was drugging all of the Chinese people and it wouldn't have been the first time because the first time was when they rose up against the UK when it was first introduced and then the second time the second boxer um rebellion and this would then be the third time so that is not an unrealistic um concept now after um

8:14 Chiang Kai-shek was pushed out of China, what happened there is unarguably horrific. So we're looking at causal trends right now and patterns so that we can understand how the aftermath of that worked and how it affects us today. So in that context, we now have Chiang Kai-shek on the run.

8:46 And Paul Helliwell of the CIA is his basically right-hand guy. And he watches Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT army pay for their warfare against Mao by selling opium. And he's selling opium through Thailand, through Vietnam, through Laos, through Cambodia, I mean, everywhere. And Paul Helliwell is amazed that...

9:14 Because it's a 100% cash industry. And he suggests to, during the end of the OSS into the beginning of the CIA, to William Donovan and then on to Alan Dulles, that they do the same thing. And they use that black market money for the sale of opium to pay for black ops. And that's like, you know, music to their ears because they've got a bill.

9:45 a big bill come and do because they have already decided with the creation of NATO that they're going to set up a bunch of Gladio units, a bunch of cached weapon stashes for them to do whatever they want with. And they build it as an anti-communist program called Operation Gladio. But in reality, it was only ever used to control their domestic civilians. And so...

10:15 Putting all of this picture together, it's very important to go back to the origin. And Asia is the origin of this. So as you begin looking into this, you end up over in Burma. And Burma has some very interesting history.

10:45 plays host to Chiang Kai-shek for a while until the Burmese authorities gets tired of him. And then they push him out to a island off the coast of China, because he is, after all, Chinese, called Formosa. And when the China lobby, which we'll get into them as well, moves Chiang Kai-shek and his army over to...

11:17 Formosa, they decide they're going to rename the island Formosa because Formosa is part of China. And they believe that if they change the name of it, that they can sell the fact that it's a brand new country to the people in America. And they were right. All they did is basically the shingle that was outside of Formosa's island and flipped it around. And on the other side of it, it said Taiwan. And all of his army buddies called the KMT Army.

11:45 are transported there, and they flip their shingle around, and it says political party now, not army. KMT army, KMT political party. And that political party is still basically in control of Taiwan today. And in the immediate aftermath, and we will do a whole segment on Taiwan, they declared martial law. And for the next 40 years, Chiang Kai-shek ruled Formosa slash Taiwan as a dictator.

12:14 And basically smashed, murdered and killed anybody that any of the indigenous people that were still there that contested the fact that they weren't Taiwanese. They were actually Chinese and they still wanted to be Chinese because that wasn't allowed because they were a new country. So that's all important because of how it affects us today.

12:43 Because you find in each and every one of these cases that these friction points that they now use against us to go to war or to rattle cages or to pass defense budgets are all fake. They're all created. Taiwan was a figment of someone's imagination to set up a drug kingpin called Chiang Kai-shek.

13:12 for him to do drugs out of a protected area. And oh, by the way, if we convince everybody in the United States that it's actually a country, which it was not, it was an island off the coast of China, then we can actually write a treaty, which they did, that says we are committing U.S. military forces to the defense of Taiwan against mainland China. You see how we did that?

13:41 Taiwan was basically an American colony. The guy I mentioned earlier, William Pauly, created their air force. He bought and paid for it with the black ops money out of his Curtis aircraft franchise that he set up over in Asia. And he had two brothers that was over there helping him do the same thing. And they all became millionaires, by the way, off of doing this because they were basically funneling.

14:10 Black Ops money doing this. He also bought a bunch of ships and gave them to Chiang Kai-shek. Oh, and by the way, Senator McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, her family, the one that we keep being told is Chinese, they're from Taiwan. He grew up and was given his shipping company by Chiang Kai-shek, by the way.

14:39 I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was from the ships that William Polly bought and gave to Chiang Kai-shek because they were shipping drugs in them. And then mysteriously, some of those same ships in more recent times were mysteriously found with drugs on them because that's what they were there for. That was not an anomaly. That was their purpose. So understanding this history is vital to...

15:10 decisions that are being made today. So I want to go to an article, and I know we said this is about Vietnam, and we're going to get there, but you have to understand this backstory first. This is an article that was written, weirdly enough, by the BBC, and I don't normally use BBC articles because they're weird and not necessarily true, and you're going to find some of that in here.

15:41 But the beauty of reading their words is they've told us most of everything that they're doing, but they do it in a way that we don't understand it because we don't have real history taught to us anymore. Okay, so we're going to start off with an article called The Burma's Uncrowned Opium King. And this one is about...

16:12 an Asian warlord by the name of Kun Sa, S-A, who died this week. And he commanded an army of thousands and supplied as much as a quarter of the world's heroin. A quarter, 25% of the world's heroin. And this article was written in 2007. So it says, as the drugs flowed through his fiefdom,

16:42 on the Thai-Burma border during the 1980s. Yeah, 1980s. That would be when Reagan was running the drugs into the Iran-Contra, into America, into MENA. Yeah. He would play host to journalists, Western tourists, treating them to Taiwanese pop music.

17:13 and boosting about being a king without a crown. The seasoned guerrilla fighter that he was, he once even had surface-to-air missiles at his disposal because they sell not only surface-to-air missiles with these gladio operations in the weapons trafficking, which is why, by the way, we have to have wars because those wars generate weapons.

17:42 And they skim off weapons and put them into these black markets. That's the reason why we have trillions of dollars, quote unquote, missing from the Pentagon. They're not actually missing. They were stolen by the CIA to sell these weapons off book. Even with his back to the wall in the mid 1990s, with Burmese troops advancing and his forces.

18:07 Being driven by political infighting, he managed to cut an extraordinary deal with his sworn enemy, the Burmese government. In exchange for his surrender, he was protected from extradition to the U.S. and reportedly given a concession to operate a ruby mine and a transport company, allowing him to live out the rest of his life in luxury in the Burma's main city, Rangoon.

18:35 It was a staggering feat of self-preservation from a man whose U.S. officials had nicknamed the Prince of Death. Born in 1933 to a Chinese father and a mother from Burma. Growing up in the Burmese countryside, he had little education and came from fighting with who? Chinese nationalist KMT soldiers and Chiang Kai-shek. The KMT.

19:06 rapidly took over the expanding opium trade in the region. But this guy that we're talking about, his gang, gradually began exerting its own influence inside of Burma. This allowed the Burmese government, they thought, to have, because they had thought that they had actually eliminated the KMT by kicking them over to Formosa slash Taiwan.

19:37 This guy basically sprang up as like one of Chiang Kai-shek's deputies to reassert the opium trade inside of Burma. The term Golden Triangle was coined during this period because of the drug-producing region of Thailand, Burma, and Laos. And again, if you look on a map, you see Thailand, Burma, and Laos all bordering Vietnam.

20:09 So they could say that they were in a country, not one of the drug countries, Thailand, Burma, and Laos. They were in Vietnam. But what they were actually doing is operations inside of Thailand, Burma, and Laos. All of the Raven flights were flown out of Thailand. They were all over Thailand. But you never hear about the...

20:36 people that were stationed the u.s military that was stationed in these locations all you ever hear about is vietnam because vietnam was to disguise this operation that we're talking about that's all it was and tons of people died as a result of it and they don't give a shit so soon um he had annoyed the government by cozying up

21:10 With a group called Shan Nationalist. So in in Burma, there were in Burma, by the way, is modern day Miramar where, you know, we just had that one president arrested for election corruption by the military. And they basically deposed her and imprisoned her after they tried her. And she was found guilty of getting herself elected through election fraud.

21:38 they threw her in jail. So Miramar is the modern day version of Burma, just so that those that are geographically challenged, you can make that connection there. So it is made up of different, in the long time ago, just like we talked about Vietnam, there were like kingdoms over there. And they were very clannish, like tribal, not mobile like in the Middle East, but

22:08 They were still very clannish. And so there's a lot of infighting among these different tribes slash clans, whatever you want to call them. And so in order to feather his bed, he decided because he knew he's eventually going to get the government annoyed at him. He wanted to pal up with one of the existing tribal.

22:38 superior in strength tribes in order to kind of buy their allegiance. So the government ends up throwing him in jail for doing this. He is in jail for five years. And then he changes his name to Kunsa, which is a Shan name. And he allies himself again with this.

23:09 nationalist version crowd in Burma. An already devoted band of fighters was consolidated on the Thai border and eventually became the Mak Thai Army, a fighting force of over 20,000 troops. By the 1980s, officials estimated that Khun Sa controlled more than half of the opium going through 50%.

23:40 of the opium going through the Golden Triangle. And in turn, it is said that it accounted for over half of the world's heroin production. He once told the AP, my people grow opium and they are not doing it for fun. They do it because they need to eat and buy rice to eat and clothing to wear. But that ain't what was happening.

24:10 But the USDA did not agree. In 1994, one of their spokespersons said, he has delivered as much evil to this world as any mafia don has done in our history. Yeah, as if there was a distinction. The mafia dons were actually guys selling his shit on the market in the U.S. Nice try. The renewed offensive that he waged.

24:40 against the Burmese government, kind of heightened in 1994. And there was also infighting with a rival by the name of Wah Hill tribe. And that was beginning to take its toll on the Shan separatist movement. With the situation increasingly desperate, Khunsab made his boldest play.

25:10 He convened a parliament attended by hundreds of delegates and later announced the formation of an independent Shan State, of which he declared himself the president. But control of his own forces began to slip away. There was another faction that stood up called the Shan State National Army, and they broke away from the Maktai Army, and they basically accused

25:39 Kunsa of using Shan separatism as a front for running drugs. Oh, that's a big surprise. Facing increasingly determined foes and with his movement falling apart, he did what he felt he needed to do. He surrendered to the government. However, he did so on his own terms. During his last year, excuse me, he was awarded the status of an honored elder.

26:08 by the regime he had fought against for so long. And many of the Maktai army soldiers became members of the militia that helped maintain the repressive regime. According to his family, Khun Sa died at age 74. And one of the former guerrillas who fought alongside him said there were very few Shan separatists that would mourn him because basically,

26:40 They found out he had betrayed them, and he basically was working on behalf of the CIA under the guise of the Shan separatist movement in order to sell his drugs to the CIA network. He ended up not even being buried in his...

27:06 former territory because they were all afraid that his grave would be decimated. And they're likely correct in that assessment because he was very not well liked afterwards. Okay, so now that you understand that part of it, we're going to talk a little bit about

27:37 the beginnings, and this will only be the beginnings, of the Phoenix program. And it has to do, this is a Politico magazine article about Michigan State University. And for those of you who don't know, the CIA used

28:06 over 45 major universities, all the names that you would expect, Stanford, Yale, Harvard, Columbia, blah, blah, blah, New York University, as CIA, they would create research facilities in these universities to recruit future CIA agents and assets that they would then

28:34 pay for their university school, they would go embed them in corporate America and they would basically be CIA assets for the rest of their lives. And that's how you see in many of these cases where companies like PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Google, and all of these other organizations are basically in bed with the CIA.

29:02 It's because many of their workers are basically assets. They're not agents. They're not actually employed, although there are some of those. But for the most part, they're considered assets. And they are people that anytime they travel internationally, they are briefed going over in order to tell them, depending on where they're going,

29:30 What information to look out for and what they want them to kind of engage in as far as casual questions about this topic or that topic. And then when they come back, they are debriefed as to what they may have found during those conversations. That is exactly what happens with military people who have a specialty like we saw.

29:58 One of the examples is when General Flynn went to a formal, after he retired, three and four star generals are oftentimes asked to represent the United States at different forums. And that's how they set him up with that whole Russia sitting at a table with Putin garbage. The U.S. military and the intelligence apparatus asked General Flynn to represent the U.S. at that meeting.

30:29 And he was briefed on the way over there about potential topics of conversation that they wanted him to, if appropriate, don't make it obvious because they're much more subtle than that. Here's what we would like you to find out. And here's the people that we think would be interesting to talk to about this subject. And then on the way back, he was debriefed.

30:55 And he's been very open about this. He actually did a report after he got back and physically talked to them about the trip. And that is not uncommon. As a matter of fact, it's required that if you have certain clearances while you're in the military, that any travel you do overseas, even after you're retired, because you are still an officer.

31:23 Of the United States military that you let them know on the way out and on the way back in case they have a mission for you. So that is even that's less of a deal than it is for civilian corporate heads to be doing this in more of a black ops capacity because they are not official assets.

31:48 Basically, and I don't know if you guys are familiar with the term the enterprise, but in the I mean, it's been going on for a long time. We've got instances of it back in the 1950s where they set up fake companies and they employed people, some of which were actual CIA employees at the time as CEOs of these companies posing as the while they were actually CIA.

32:21 hired civilians, not like assets where they're getting paid through that company or whatever. But there were some of those. So there were other companies like Castle Bank and Paul Helliwell. So Castle Bank was set up as an actual functioning bank. You could walk in and get money. You could create an account. But it was a CIA money laundering bank in the Caribbean.

32:46 And when they decided they were done using that bank as a money laundering, they closed the bank and everybody lost everything they had in the bank. And they don't give a shit. They did the same thing with Nugent Hand in Australia and screwed all of those people who had regular accounts. And Nugent Hand, by the way, had like 20 some offices all over the world to include Chiang Mai, which was named after Chiang Kai-shek.

33:15 Thailand. Thailand, Chiang Mai was one of the major drug stops in the distribution of getting the drugs out of the Golden Triangle. And Nguyen Han just miraculously, has anybody ever heard of Chiang Mai? You may. If you're an international traveler.

33:37 But most people sitting in America would, if you're looking at a place to put a branch of an international bank that was headquartered in Australia, you sure as hell wouldn't put it in Chiang Mai unless you're doing drugs. And so in those cases, those people that were in charge of those, Nugent and Hand, both of those were CIA assets.

34:03 They were paid through the skimming off of money on that bank. They were never on the civilian payroll. Well, Han may have been because he was actually in the military as well. But generally speaking, they're not on the payroll government. They are paid through their employment in the enterprise, which is the black ops side of the CIA, off book with funds generated by the sale of drugs.

34:32 Having said all of that, it's very important to understand that. So in the case of that money, some of our tax dollars and some of the Black Ops dollars are used to funnel into these research facilities. If they don't care about you finding out through a FOIA request, they will fund it with appropriated funds, our tax dollars.

35:00 If they do care and they don't want you to know about it, we'll use covert funding for it. So just so that you know, these entities are used. And I did an entire show of the Michigan State's role in this on the Alpha Warrior show. So I'm not going to go through a whole bunch of this.

35:29 But I do want to bring it up because it is the precursor in how these Phoenix programs are set up. And this is not the only one of them. At some point, when we get a little broader in the Operation Gladio, I'll go through a few more of the universities whose police criminal justice program was used by the CIA. Because what these guys did was criminal.

35:56 They actually taught these people how to torture, disappear, as in kidnapping, and assassinate people that they had labeled either a communist or whatever the appropriate label of the day was, depending on which country it was. They could sometimes say some kind, but...

36:26 More than not, they called them communists, even though they were not necessarily a communist at all, because we've talked at length about that. And we understand that most of the people that ended up being caught up in the Vietnam War from the Vietnamese standpoint were indigenous Southern Vietnamese and over a million that had been.

36:55 Aravacked into the South and brought in by ship through the Catholic Church to create chaos in the South. So they took people from the North who were Catholics and brought them to the South to create turmoil, to create chaos. And then in amongst that chaos, they bring in this team from the University of Michigan.

37:25 And they start going out to all of the villages and teaching the cops out to police. And they also form a national police force like we did in Iran, the Savak. Remember the stories that we talked about when we did Iran and the fact that it was General Schwarzkopf's dad?

37:56 norman swartzkopf senior that went into iran and set up their national police this is what we're talking about these are the patterns guys that was 1953 well he actually set up the police before that but um he also by the way just for fun facts set up the national police in new jersey and if you don't think there's a parallel to the way our police force works

38:26 with this core police force within the police force that are capable of, like we just saw today, of arresting a woman who is complaining to her city council that they're spending too much money. These people, in every one of these entities, there are people that are selected for training at places like that hemispheric school at Fort Benning.

38:53 training both ICE agents and border agents. And those are the same guys that trained Pinochet and all of the Somoza dictators in Latin America that went out and killed tens of thousands of their own citizens. They're all trained at the same school and they're all trained using the same criteria and curriculum.

39:21 We need to understand this because it affects us today. And I would love to get my hands on the personnel records of Chauvin up in Minneapolis, those five cops that killed that kid in Memphis after chasing him around when he was screaming for his mom, because I can guarantee you.

39:49 They all have something in common. And generally speaking, it's going to be one of these courses that uses this curriculum that has trained them to do things and their allegiance isn't to the citizens of their county, whether it is through a secret society that has been created or whatever.

40:18 They all have something in common, but they all end up looking like Operation Gladio agents because they are agents of chaos that throws the entire country into turmoil. And that's exactly what happened via the Phoenix program in Vietnam. So, again, you have the...

40:48 I don't know if you guys are familiar with the officials that were in charge at the time during Vietnam, but it's hard to even decide where to start with this because there's so much background that you have to understand.

41:20 So let me start here. This is an article under a website called, that's at Michigan State University called Vietnam Project. And it has several links in it. But for example, it says, and you guys are going to all these keywords because every word on this little paragraph is so important. The Vietnam Advisory Group. So they have at.

41:49 Michigan State University, they had the Vietnam Advisory Group. And what do they call the entity that they install in all of these countries that is the U.S. base of the CIA? It's called the Military Advisory Group. It's actually CIA. Those are the first boots on the ground when we go into one of these countries. And we will talk about the one that was set up in Vietnam.

42:19 But I find it interesting that they use the exact same terminology. So Michigan State had a Vietnam advisory group. And do you know where it got its funding? USAID. USAID is a CIA cutout inside the State Department so they can pretend that what they're sending is official State Department engagement.

42:48 when it's actually CIA funding that is being used to create chaos. And by the way, we have a military version of that too, that is military aid that's sent to these same countries. And basically it all has the, I'm now coming to appreciate, basically the same

43:15 Because it was the U.S. military aid that was sent to Colombia that allowed them to set up the drug networks and create the 20,000 trained assassins that they trained under the same criteria in order to funnel the drugs through its track to the U.S. border. So they also rent them out to NATO and to the U.N. to go on quote-unquote missions.

43:44 So our tax dollars through the military aid program and USAID has been used to fund Operation Gladio. So it says that this group was funded by USAID for technical assistance programs for South Vietnam led by faculty members at Michigan State University. The program focused principally on issues of administration and police training.

44:14 although Michigan State University faculty also advised on other matters. The program ran from 1955 to 1962 and ended largely due to friction between Michigan State and the government of Nodin Dem, D-I-E-M, which was the current president at the time. We eventually cued him, by the way, and we'll get to that too.

44:46 So if you look at the origins of it, they had the coordinator for the program was a guy originally by the name of Charles King Killingsworth. Charles Killingsworth. Hold on. We're having a storm right now, so my computer's extra slow.

45:19 Let me go back here. Okay. So it basically says that he, oh, they even have the letter of certification for him being appointed. This is an amazing wealth of information on this website. I don't know if they've got.

45:56 all of the information on here, but it has some really interesting information and it actually has the actual documents where you can actually see, like if you click on that link under Charles Killingsworth, it has his certification for payment and travel and his appointment into being in charge of that program. There's also another appointment letter.

46:23 That of a guy that was over there by the name of Stanley Scheinbaum. And his name is S-H-E-I-N-B-A-U-M. He was another leader that was in that program. And the document that they have for him, it says he was there 55 to 60. And they have his appointment.

46:51 Lots of very interesting things. And it has a lot of actual handwritten letters. Another guy that was there, his name is Richard McCleary, M-C-C-L-E-E-R-Y. And interestingly enough, they created a scholarship program that brought people in.

47:18 Vietnam that they wanted to basically train up to be long-term permanent CIA assets into all of these universities that was doing all of this work during the 50s and 60s and educated them free of charge so that they went back and basically were under the thumb of the CIA for the rest of their life.

47:48 So, that's another way that they facilitate this type of thing. And ma'am, can I add just a tiny thing? Sure. That Scheinbaum, as it turns out, it appears that Stanley Scheinbaum, still arousing the mutterings of anger, was the first person to go public with his experience of CIA activity in the United States.

48:18 a story about the agency's infiltration of legitimate civilian institutions. There's a very lengthy article about his, in particular, his activities with the CIA. And he came public. Of course, now he has passed away. Anyway, just a little tidbit to add. And did you post that one? I will right now. Okay.

48:50 Yeah. And that's what I would recommend for anybody that is interested in this information is we put these names out there. We spell the names because we do want you to go do your own homework. We don't want you to believe anything that we say. As a matter of fact, I think it's very interesting when people find articles that have differing opinions.

49:19 on them so that we can have those discussions and reconcile the information. Because what I try to do before I present information to you guys is I read both sides of most every, because most of the stuff, quite frankly, I did not believe the first time I read it. And I would look for books that would counter argue.

49:50 Any of the stuff that I was finding. The problem that you find is the counter arguments don't hold up. And every time you go down and look at one of the people that is involved in the counter argument, you find that they're tied to USAID. They're writing from Life magazine and they're in bed with the CIA. And so.

50:18 Those are not credible counter arguments. And so I don't bring them. I do read them because oftentimes when you read their garbage, their propaganda, you can find out little tidbits, just like when I read the New York Times article about them after 2014 coup in Ukraine. The New York Times article that came out several months ago now is probably two or three months ago that.

50:48 finally acknowledged the fact that the CIA had set up basically Gladio units along the border of the Donbass region to launch all of those attacks into the Donbass region after 2014. When you read that article, it was very revealing, if you know anything about Operation Gladio, because you realize right away that the entire reason they couped the government in 2014 was to install the CIA, like 20 of them.

51:17 stay behind units along the border to launch these operations. Now, did they use those exact terms? No, but with your Gladio glasses on and the fact that they're telling you that they tunneled in and created CIA controlled intel capability along the front lines. Well, they're still there today. So it wasn't the front lines of the current border.

51:43 because that would be in the Donbass region under the Russian control. So if they're still there and they're still using them, which the article definitely said they were, then they had to have known where that borderline was in order to be launching the attacks from what is still inside Ukraine. So again, if you understand this history and you understand what they're doing,

52:09 It's very easy to read current stories today and pick them apart. Because if those 20 CIA tunnel systems of intel command centers had been along the border in 2014 with Russia, which they're talking about launching operations into Russia from them now, well, they wouldn't be under Ukraine authority. They would be in what is now the Donbass region under Russian authority.

52:39 So they knowingly set these things up along a perimeter that they were going to be using to launch the attacks into what was at the time Ukraine, not Russia. And that's what they assassinated 11 mayors. They assassinated a whole slew of political people in the Donbass region from 2014 until 2022. And the thousands of people that they murdered.

53:07 launching operations out of Ukraine into the Donbass region was the reason why Putin did what he did. Just in case you all didn't know that. So I'm going to, we're already at an hour, but I have to tell you guys that for us to start this week-long expose into the Phoenix program. This is not a really long article, so I'm going to go ahead and this is a New York Times article.

53:38 That is written in 2017 by a guy by the name of Edward Miller. In late December 2067, the government of South Vietnam announced a reorganization of its war efforts against the country's communist insurgency. Effective immediately, all South Vietnamese counterinsurgency activities became part of a new program that was known as

54:08 a reference to a magical bird associated with royalty and power in Vietnamese and Chinese culture. In response to the South Vietnamese move, American officials in Vietnam began referring to their own counterinsurgency coordination efforts by the name that they had deemed the closest Western analogy to it, Phoenix, the mystical creature Phoenix. The Phoenix program

54:36 would become one of the most controversial aspects of America's war in Vietnam. Sponsored by the CIA, Phoenix used paramilitary teams to target and uncover communist operatives in villages throughout South Vietnam. Witnesses claimed that members of the program's teams and their American advisors routinely carried out torture, murder,

55:05 assassination, all of which the American officials deny. But again, if you go back to patterns, this was done through every country that we've studied so far. So, patterns. To date, the debate over Phoenix has focused mainly on the roles played by the CIA and individual Americans in the program.

55:32 But a vast majority of Phoenix personnel, soldiers, interrogators, and analysts were Vietnamese. Exploring South Vietnamese role in Phoenix offers alternative perspectives. Of all of the Vietnamese who participated in Phoenix, perhaps the most influential was a Vietnamese army officer called Tran Ngoc Chau. A young man, Mr. Chau, had embraced the Viet Minh.

56:01 independence movement and was a charismatic founder. But he refused to join Ho's Communist Party, and he became uncomfortable with the Viet Minh's growing emphasis on class struggle. In 1950, he defected to the French-backed anti-communist government. And for those of you who are new, we explained already that

56:37 Ho Chi Minh, at the end of World War II, was not a communist. He was a nationalist. And he was for workers' rights. They had been a French colony. Then they had been occupied by the Japanese for decades. And all he wanted was a unified country and elections. He had already drafted a Declaration of Independence based on our Constitution.

57:07 And this is Tran Ngoc Chau is one of his original army officers that was assigned to the South and has now basically defected. Mr. Chau eventually attracted the attention of President Ngo Dinh Dem, who assigned him to work on the counterinsurgency strategy and tactics.

57:35 In 1962, Dem appointed Mr. Chow as chief of a large province along the Mekong Delta. Mr. Chow spent much of the next three years experimenting with alternative counterinsurgency methods. Mr. Chow quickly saw the government face several over lacking problems. The province was known as the cradle of revolution because communist cadre had organized one of the first local uprisings against Dem.

58:05 in one of the districts in 1960. Moreover, Mr. Chow later recalled the government's intelligence system was almost a joke because it depended on informants who had served the state for years and who were often fed disinformation by the enemy. Now, let me also point out here that when you're talking about the uprising, there were many

58:33 nationalist in the South that did not want the US CIA-backed government of Dem. He was not viewed as a legitimate president by the majority of the people, even in the South. He was viewed very much as a CIA stooge. And so these people don't separate the difference between

59:03 nationalist who opposed the CIA from being there because in the CIA's eyes, they were just as evil as anyone that was actually literally a communist because both of those people in both of those groups did not want the CIA or the U.S. in their country controlling drugs out of it. But that's the problem with these programs is the people who, and it happened in the Philippines, it happened in

59:33 the original after the Spanish War in Cuba and in Puerto Rico, where you had freedom fighters that had been fighting the Spanish occupation for 30 years, who thought when we got there, we were going to be the saviors. We were going to give them their freedom. And when we won the Spanish-American War, we basically just took them as colonies. And that's exactly what is going on in Vietnam. They went through...

1:00:00 decades of occupation by the French. They fought with us on our side during World War II against the Japanese who had taken over Vietnam. And they thought with us being there that they were going to get their freedom back. They were wrong. Not only did we allow the French to come back in and occupy them, we just replaced the French when they finally kicked the French out. Okay, so two things. You've got

1:00:33 Nationalists that don't like them and they have no intel system. As a result, the government forces often did not know who the insurgents were or where they operated. And keep in mind, the insurgents that they're labeling insurgents are both nationalists that don't like them and communists under the label that we're using for this conversation.

1:01:03 They may not be classical communists. There was just anybody associated with the North at this point. In lieu of targeted strikes based on accurate intel, commanders resorted to firepower, intensive operations that killed and wounded entire villages. Villagers angered by this further stroked local officials and police officers, many of who were incompetent, corrupt, or both.

1:01:33 To remedy the problems, Mr. Chow devised a census grievance program. This initiative dispatched teams of cadres to villages and hamlets under government control. After taking a census of the population, team members began conducting daily compulsory one-on-one interviews with every single adult. The questions were seemingly innocuous.

1:01:59 Have you noticed anything unusual lately? What can the government do to help you? In part, these queries aim to elicit complaints about abusive local officials whom Mr. Chow could then discipline or remove. But the ultimate goal was to collect intel on whoever they decided the enemy was. Now, what's interesting about this is if you guys remember our...

1:02:25 session on Jamaica. Do you remember the questionnaire that was paid for and administered by a college student? Notice the similarities there. That was supposedly his doctorate thesis. And they did the survey and they sent them all around as a CIA front to the residents on whether or not they were going to support the CIA president that they wanted to install or not. Very similar to this exact effort right here.

1:02:55 Mr. Chow's second innovation was the creation of what he called – and see, the New York Times isn't going to tell us these are CIA ideas. They're going to pose these as if they were the indigenous Vietnamese. They were not. These are CIA ideas because we see them repeatedly. Mr. Chow's second innovation was the creation of what he called counterterror teams, a precursor to the Phoenix program created with the support of the CIA.

1:03:25 These teams consisted of small numbers of men trained to conduct clandestine missions in enemy-controlled territory. When Mr. Chow received intelligence on the identities and the whereabouts of quote-unquote enemy operatives, he dispatched a counter-terror team to kill them. In this way, Mr. Chow and his CIA collaborators hoped to wear down and destroy what they would later call the Viet Cong infrastructure.

1:03:52 the network of communist cadre and agents who lived undercover among the rural population. And again, these can just be nationalists, not necessarily communists. Mr. Chow was well aware that his methods were susceptible to abuse. An unscrupulous village business owner might manipulate the census grievous program to persuade the government that his local rival was a communist. That happened all the time.

1:04:22 and the members of the counterterror team, if not properly trained or supervised, might feel and act as if they had a license to commit murder. To guard against this, Mr. Chau appointed inspectors to investigate reports. He also declared that the use of deadly force would remain a last resort, taken only after efforts to persuade them to defect via torture.

1:04:49 Although Mr. Chow spoke English with a heavy accent, he could present his ideas about counterinsurgency in a plain and common sense manner, which made him popular with the American advisors, one of which was Daniel Ellsberg. We'll come back to him. And where did he work? He didn't work for the CIA. He worked for a CIA front company called RAND, R-A-N-D Corporation.

1:05:18 Weird, huh? He met Mr. Chow in the mid-1960s and considered him the leading Vietnamese expert on pacification. They wanted to pacify, just like they poisoned us to pacify us here. We are engaged in a Phoenix program here, too. It just doesn't look the same. Mr. Chow also interacted and worked with John Paul Vann, another CIA guy.

1:05:48 William Colby, the future CIA director, and Edward Lansdale, who posed as a military general many times, and other prominent figures in American quote-unquote counter-surgency circles. They're all CIA. These Americans liked Mr. Child's insistence that it was possible to conduct these operations with minimal collateral damage.

1:06:17 Thanks partly to the support of his American friends, i.e. the CIA, Mr. Chow was assigned in the late 1965 to lead the new counterinsurgency trading program for the South Vietnamese cadre. His promotion was part of a CIA push to devise a nationwide counterinsurgency strategy, efforts that would eventually produce the Phoenix program. In designing Phoenix, CIA officials incorporated Mr. Chow's census grievous concept, which was theirs anyway,

1:06:46 to collect intelligence from the villagers. Mr. Chow's influence was also evident in what became the most controversial element of Phoenix, the elite counterterrorism teams known as Provincial Recon Units. Recruited and trained by the CIA, these units carried out tens of thousands of capture or kill missions against enemy operatives or just people their neighbors had fingered. They weren't necessarily enemy operatives.

1:07:16 Whatever unexpectedly, or somewhat unexpectedly, however, Mr. Chow did not participate in the actual design or fulfillment of Phoenix. As head of the South Vietnamese National Cadre Training Program, he soon became frustrated with the endless political infighting, and in 1967, he left his position and successfully ran for a political seat in the South Vietnamese National Assembly. Basically,

1:07:46 If you read other accounts for this, he was driven out of the program because he was not as ruthless as they wanted him to be. In the wake of the 1968 Tet Offensive, Mr. Chow began to call for a negotiated settlement of the war. This earned him an enemy of the state designation by Nguyen Van Tho.

1:08:12 who had Mr. Chow arrested, tried and jailed on charges of treason because you're not allowed to talk peace. We found that out, right? That's why they arrested President Trump, because you're not allowed to talk peace. That's why they killed JFK. He spent the rest of the war in prison or under house arrest. After the North Vietnamese victory over the South, he was imprisoned again, this time in a communist re-education camp. Guy can't win.

1:08:42 He was released in 1978 and immigrated to the United States. In the decade since the end of the war, Mr. Chow and his American supporters basically called what happened to him a betrayal. And that's basically it. So that gives us kind of our soft opening into the background of the Phoenix program. We're pretty much going to hit the Phoenix program tomorrow.

1:09:12 And that's what I got. So we can go ahead and open up for questions. Sounds good. Everything that we've talked about or a lot of what we've talked about is posted up in the pill so that you guys can read, research, you know, share. And prepare for tomorrow. Yeah. Okay.

1:09:51 So, Miles, go ahead. Good afternoon, everyone. Steamy in Minneapolis right now. So I put something down in the purple pill because I always like to get a good historical background on what we're dealing with here. I've worked with the Chinese and the Vietnamese in my past. And it's funny how they would say, I'm not Vietnamese, I'm Chinese.

1:10:19 I was like, okay. And I was trying to understand that. So there's been an interaction between southern China and Vietnam for centuries. And their families are interconnected. So what I put in the purple pill is a movie called The Sand Pebbles. And it goes back to 1926 when our American gunboats were on the Yangtze River.

1:10:48 And we were protecting Americans. And it'll kind of give you a good historical base to move forward. And it's got Steve McQueen in it and Candice Bergen. So it's a really good movie. And just on a little side note, that was my first date. And I went to go see this movie with my first date. And she had braces. Now, back in 1970, not a lot of...

1:11:18 Girls had braces, and I was a little scared to kiss her, but that was my first kiss, watching The Sand Pebbles. And it's a good movie. But, guys, just understand that there's a big connection between southern China and Vietnam and the other countries going back, well, I know, probably a thousand years. But just try to understand why we were in that area.

1:11:46 But when you're watching the movie, why were our American gunboats on the Yangtze River? Thanks, Colonel. Great show today. Thank you. All right. Who else has a question? A lot of people requested to come up. Does James, Jeff, all do or Miles? OK, go ahead. All right. Can you hear me? Yeah. OK. Yeah. Colonel, I just wanted to.

1:12:24 Mention a comment of Senator Frank Church's from the mid-1970s related to some of your comments about academia and the CIA. You probably have heard this quote, but he commented that the two greatest areas that the Senate had trouble with getting CIA information were related to the CIA in media.

1:12:54 Surprise, surprise. And the CIA in academia. Right. So that's, I think, really important to remember, you know, when when we think about, as you mentioned, you know, Michigan State involvement in Vietnam. But, you know, I think we can say it's obviously much wider than that. And it really.

1:13:24 An idea that's kind of tangential to that very quickly is, you know, there have been a few brave academics, if such a thing is possible to, you know, who've looked at the CIA origins of this term conspiracy theory. And yet, by and large, you see so very little, you know, questioning of from academia on the part of, you know, CIA in general.

1:13:56 And I just think that it would be hard for us to overestimate the degree of CIA involvement in academia at this point. But again, I could be mistaken. But when there's no checks and balances, right, is that the fault of the population? Or is that the fault of the CIA, who will not allow any checks and balances of the CIA? So anyway, just a thought. But yeah.

1:14:25 Enjoyed listening to your show again. So let me let me just say this. The CIA is not supposed to be in charge of anything. They are supposed to be a subset of the executive office of the president. Number one. Number two, their appropriated budget and authority comes from Congress. Right. And at any time, the Congress could cut them off.

1:14:55 As we know, the last time that happened, the congressman was killed. So hold on just a second. There is a built-in disincentive for anyone in Congress, because the majority of them are compromised, to hold the CIA accountable because they themselves have designs on future positions that...

1:15:24 would be dependent upon not pissing the CIA off. Yep. So, yeah. Jeff, go ahead. Yes. Good afternoon, Colonel Bridget, guys, Stella. Which, yeah, now that I've just been hesitating on asking the question, but I think that Ram Swami had suggested that we dissolve the Board of Education for poor...

1:16:00 performance, criminal behavior. The CIA as well for poor performance and criminal behavior for many, many years. The question about the JFK files and the driver in his car shooting Kennedy or the agent in the kitchen that shot Bobby, those people are dead. Yes, I think that everybody wants to see it on paper, but those people are dead.

1:16:30 But my question is, is that those like for any business, if everybody's doing a poor job, you just get rid of it. How quickly could we do that? Like, I mean, I'm trying to be clean with it. Right. As clean as I can say it. Like when you do a poor job in most companies, you get fired and you don't take it out on the employees like the Vietnam veterans on up to.

1:16:59 the desert storm guys that were overlooked as the veterans are being overlooked. This is really hurtful for me to say that. I think that these, these, that's my question, Colonel. Thank you for anybody who can answer it. Thank you. So the, the idea of destroying this is the reason why this had to be done in a very meticulous manner, because the tentacles,

1:17:30 are woven around so many different aspects of so many different things. If you understand all of their false fronts that they have perpetrated this operation using, you begin to get the grasp, and that's the reason why we decided to do this. I want to show you guys the scope of what they're dealing with.

1:17:59 for the people that get impatient and say, why isn't this already done? This is a global international syndicate that has to be dismantled. And it's not a matter of saying, okay, call up the electrical company, turn off the lights, and pack up all the files, and tomorrow you guys don't have a job. Because if you don't know who all of that...

1:18:29 who all of them are, all they're going to do for an interim period of time, as we just saw here, is they will regroup off books and start anew. So you have to have the entire network mapped. So let me read this. And I do have this. This is so funny. Bridget just sent me this classified.

1:18:58 document that has now been declassified that was part of the CIA. And I actually have this open for it. I was going to do it in the future, but it's hilarious that she sent it to me. It's called, let's see, under war crimes, a House subcommittee was criticized.

1:19:21 has criticized the Pentagon for failure to investigate possible war crimes by U.S. soldiers against Vietnamese civilians in South Vietnamese political assassination program. It was learned today. But the Government Operations Committee apparently will let the political sensitive report die. Only a handful of members showed up for the committee meeting today, preventing a quorum.

1:19:47 which means they canceled the meeting because they could not get enough Democrats and Republicans to show up for a committee meeting that was about the U.S. military assassinating civilians in a foreign country. They couldn't be bothered to come to the meeting. Representative John Conyers, a Democrat from Michigan, contacted by UPI.

1:20:17 excuse me, charged a complete double cross by both Democrats and Republicans on the committee because they had originally told him they were going to be there to investigate this. A copy of the secret report was obtained earlier by the UPI from other sources. The report said it was possible that many of the more than 20,000 suspected Viet Cong killed

1:20:46 under the South Vietnamese Phoenix program were actually innocent civilians who were victims of faulty intelligence. And I just read to you how that happened. The private report of the House Foreign Operations and Government Information Subcommittee, based on a field trip to Vietnam and a series of hearings over two years, questioned, quote, the serious

1:21:16 moral considerations of U.S. support for a program that was allegedly including torture, murder, and inhumane treatment of South Vietnamese civilians, unquote. The Phoenix program began in 1968, is aimed at identifying the members of the so-called Viet Cong infrastructure in South Vietnam and to, quote-unquote, neutralize them through either death

1:21:44 or indefinite imprisonment, usually without trial. The operation committee scheduled at least one other meeting on the report, but it too was called off. Conyers said that after today's failure to gain a quorum, another try would be made to hold a meeting next week, but it was doubtful they would act. This is, Conyers said, this is clear Congress, it is clear Congress wants to rationalize this whole damn thing.

1:22:15 unquote. So that answers the lack of willpower on behalf of the Congress. And I will tell you, based on what I now know, it is very likely that every single one of those people on that committee was called and was warned to not go to that meeting. And the only people that showed up

1:22:40 which would be interesting to have the list of who did show up because they would be the ones not compromised by the CIA. OK, that's how that works. And it also goes to how to disassemble and the tentacles that you were just mentioning. And that's the reason why I forwarded it to you. It's not just the CIA and it's not just our country. And because those individuals are just as culpable for those acts.

1:23:10 by not pursuing justice for those people, in my opinion. Sorry. Thank you. Go ahead, Carrie. Okay, I have a hard question. You don't have to answer it, of course. You don't have to answer anything, but I'm just prefacing. So I know Daniel Ellsberg. He died recently, but I know him from my work in Occupy Wall Street.

1:23:43 And his position was, I'm going to say two things, actually. One of his positions was that Dr. Strangelove was a documentary. And the other thing was that, so Occupy Wall Street is anarchists. And we didn't feel that.

1:24:14 the government was legitimate. And that was our work. That's what we worked on. And Daniel Ellsberg thought the government was legitimate and that the only way to change anything was from within it. And I was so shocked by that because of all of the things that he knew. And I see you kind of like that, Colonel.

1:24:43 All of these things that you know how it's so decayed. I just, I wonder your position on that. Thanks. You don't have to answer, as I said. My position on what, though? So Daniel Ellsberg's position was you could only change.

1:25:15 anything from within the system. Whether you think that's a legitimate position to have? Yeah. As Occupy Wall Street, we felt that it was so corrupted and so decayed that it was an impossible task. Right. So there's always going to be people that feel that you can make changes from within a system.

1:25:45 As a matter of fact, I mean, I'm living proof that you can. I would say that the military is very bureaucratic, very, now it's just, it's off the charts. But even when I was in, there was a lot of corruption. There was a lot of things that happened that shouldn't have been happened, that shouldn't happen. But I...

1:26:14 was able in my area of expertise to make significant changes that left an entire population of enlisted people in the Air Force better off because I made systematic changes. I also did things, and I mean, it'd be too long and probably even too confusing if you don't know the inside of the military.

1:26:43 But I had things that took years in the making to get it done. And a lot of anyway. So I and I became a whistleblower on three different issues during the course of my career. And as a result of that, things did change. So I do think there's a combination to effect change.

1:27:13 There has to be people on the inside because you have to have constant feedback of intelligence. So, for example, what's going on right now? How is Robbie Starbuck able to get the DEI programs canceled? He's on the outside. He's the Occupy Wall Street carry. How is he getting that information? If no one was on the inside, he'd have no way of getting it.

1:27:41 He's getting that information from the inside with basically whistleblowers providing him the documents because he doesn't have access to any of those websites. He doesn't have access to the emails. So it always has to be a combination of people on the inside and people on the outside. There has to be people that are not affected by the hierarchy.

1:28:08 i.e. getting fired, that's on the outside identifying the problems. And then there has to be someone on the inside letting that person know the extent to which they're, if you're in a military sense, that the ammunition you're expending and firing at the target is hitting the target. You would never know that, especially unless your first shot, which he has had happen.

1:28:37 um lands a direct hit and they change immediately just by him saying these guys are next which you know just happened with Lowe's um so there are people um in the in that in that case you could have but he had to have somebody on the inside to let us let him know that Lowe's was doing it too so it really does take both sides um because the guy on the outside can't have any fear from being

1:29:07 attacked from the people on the inside. So, James, go ahead. Honestly, you kind of, yeah, you kind of just took the words out of my mouth. I couldn't have said what I was going to say better. So, I'll just be humble again. Awesome. Okay. I'll go ahead. Yeah. Basically, Colonel, everything that you just said about, you know, insider, outsider,

1:29:42 I think also can possibly be applied to what I term, you know, the controlled left or the fake left. And that doesn't mean that, you know, there are not some aspects of that that are literally our CIA and literally have the intention of deceiving and misdirecting people to wrong targets.

1:30:11 I'm thinking, for example, a lot of the points made about Daniel Ellsberg could also be applied to our beloved, and I say that ironically, I hope, Marcus Raskin. And what I mean by that is, absolutely, we should be skeptical about everything about him. We should be skeptical about when anyone talking about such incredibly...

1:30:42 controversialized topics as the JFK assassination. Nevertheless, I think it's also important to realize about, you know, Marcus Raskin that he did say he agreed with JFK and the unspeakable that the CIA had assassinated John F. Kennedy. And that to me is kind of like maybe a green flag to some extent that, you know, you don't normally get any left gatekeeper saying that.

1:31:11 When he said that, he's been almost completely censored since, above all by his son, who will never say a single word about the CIA and wants to do 1-6 forever, as if 1-6 was somehow a greater threat to our Constitution than the CIA domestic coup of late 1963. So that's an interesting point, because there are some people who have participated in this.

1:31:41 undermining of our country that you can see have had second thoughts and there there will be some people i think at the end of this and this happened in um operation gray lord in chicago as well that after seeing the devastation that

1:32:12 Some of their earlier night naivety played out in thinking that and that happens in a lot of cases with ideas like the common saying about if you're not a liberal early on in your life, you know, and then you turn conservative.

1:32:38 Those two comparisons. And I do think that plays out in some of these people that are early on villains. But after they see the devastation that has been wrecked all over the world by their villainry, that they do have a change of heart. Now, do I think that's a large number? No, I do not. But it is absolutely possible. And where it does happen.

1:33:08 you have to acknowledge the fact that it has happened. And that's not unlike the recent RFK coming over to all of those types of things are going to evolve as we work through the next several months. And we have to have a very calm level head about this in embracing.

1:33:35 those even though we can agree to disagree on certain issues that's the way adults actually work so stellar what you got i was gonna say because you know there's always that common denominator and i know that this so it so was the cia ever good i understand that they were set up for that but

1:34:07 Do they do anything good in the world or is it just to go scout out places? Oh, yeah, there's resources here. There's people that are here that we could, you know, enslave. I mean, is there anything good about the CIA? No, but the CIA doesn't scout out the resources. That was done by the International Syndicate.

1:34:30 If you recall back when we were talking about the WWF and they had those geologists back in the 1920s doing the flights over, or 1930s doing the scurrying around all over Africa, the continent, and deciding where the real resources were, they sent people actually during that same time into Israel. That's how they knew the Dead Sea down there had all those minerals.

1:34:59 That scouting had already been done. The CIA has basically only ever been a paramilitary capability to affect what they want to have done. And that was the beauty of World War II in setting, not in a good way, in setting up the footprint for all of these international organizations. So out of there, you...

1:35:27 literally gave birth to the new world order out of World War II. You created the UN, you created NATO, you created the World Bank, you created the International Monetary Fund. Every tool that was needed to affect one world government under the Fabian socialist wet dream happened after World War II. And they were not going to allow those new entities

1:35:56 to not have a job. And so we rolled right into Korea, right into Vietnam, and it's been one after another after another in order to keep business going. And all of the world's intelligence apparatus, and the only one that predates that, by the way, is MI6, which is the granddaddy of all of them. Because most of the ones that are...

1:36:25 that were created after World War II didn't exist in France either. And then the BND was new in Germany. So many, and there may have been some that didn't change their name up in the Scandinavian area, but those that we know the most about, like in Italy, the SDECE, it was something before that because of course Mussolini was there. So theirs was brand new.

1:36:55 And the same thing with Turkey. So literally, this was all birthed in the aftermath of World War II. And they have not done anything good since then. As a matter of fact, I'd go one step further. There was a false sense in the United States that because the word intelligence is in their name, that they actually had some responsibility to

1:37:26 forewarn America with intelligence gathering about imminent threats. Well, that is in their mission, their initial mission. And they, I'm not going to say the word, they suck at it because they never warned us ahead of time a single time. Never. As a matter of fact, we now know they were in bed with everybody that did all their shit.

1:37:58 So my answer is no. How the heck? So literally, because with all of this stuff that's going on, they're not helping us. In actuality, they have their own mission, like the New World Order. So the shadow government has literally been in bed with all these other ones to just take over. It's almost like, you know.

1:38:32 Yeah, not almost. They did. So like, instead of say, like the US being the aggressor to, and it seems like anytime you hear the word, the colonization or the colonials or any of that, which would be like people, you know, like from from the West, every single one of them have just been nothing but to gobble up and which is not what America wants that image. And you know, we're

1:39:02 But we have been doing it and somehow thanks to these expert PR people, most of America has never understood the extent to which we were one of the colonial powers because we've been lied to. They love saying it's always them, but it was us too. Got it. Okay. Yes. Because that's the thing that's like mind boggling to me is that, you know, like when, you know,

1:39:33 You know, like the hierarchy, okay, the FBI works within the confounds of our borders, you know, for intelligence and to keep us safe. And I, not knowing, well, now knowing, but, you know, under that cloud, before my glasses were on, always thought that the, like you said, intelligence, trying to find things to keep, you know, the terrorists, quote unquote, so that that way it keeps our home, you know, here safe. But in actuality.

1:40:02 The CIA are the big time aggressors and like those machines like how like what Hitler did or the Nazis did when they went through Poland, you know, the Blitzkrieg type of stuff. That's what they are. They're those things, right? Well, that's I would not say that. But I'm military is kind of my thing. That's that's over out and out and out war. What the CIA does is much more evil.

1:40:32 They do it covertly. They do it behind the curtain. They go in under the cover of dark, like what they did with Lumumba. And they, you know, kidnap him. And no one even knows where he's at, much less who has, you know, who's actually kidnapped him. And they boiled him in acid.

1:40:55 I have no problem with Blitzkrieg. I have no problem with two countries going to war, declaration of war, duke it out, winner takes all, whatever. That's the way our entire world has operated up until after World War II. Now, there is this clandestine paramilitary capability sneaking around at night doing shit in our name that we don't even know is going on. That's much worse.

1:41:26 Yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess I should have said, you know, well, yeah, if they would have done it clandestine, like, you know, this whole organization, they all just need to fucking go away. I'm sorry. I'm with you, honey. I'm with you. Let's get to Martin Bott. Go ahead. And then we'll cousin it in. Hello. Good evening from Germany. So essentially, I read that the CIA was founded to look after the aliens with the ray guns.

1:41:57 And this, in 1947, was the Germans brought to the United States in Operation Paperclip. The idea was to keep them under control. And the CIA failed miserably because the Germans, which were taken to the US, they united with the wartime spies, even the spies from World War I. And now we have a gigantic network of German spies in the United States, essentially.

1:42:27 And I guess they manipulate the CIA, which is not really secret here in Germany. It was even on the newspaper that the CIA or the Americans were fed with all sort of bullshit about the Russians right after the war, about their capabilities and what material they had. But however, the Americans could have taken the list of the land and lease treaty.

1:42:56 and had looked up how much material they delivered to Russia so the Russians don't starve and they can fight, would fight in World War II. And still they believed all the bullshit coming from the German Bundesnachrichtendienst, the BND. So it's a bit strange how much influence Germany has in the United States, including the CIA. Thank you. Bye.

1:43:24 I agree with that. Go ahead. Where'd Cousinette go? Did she drop down? She just disappeared. All right. Go ahead, Bridget, and I'll look for her. Okay. I just have one quick question, and would you say, you know how you talk quite a bit about how you were in the Air Force, and because of the compartmentalization, oftentimes you...

1:43:56 wouldn't have known if you were involved in the middle of one of these types of situations. No, I've never said I wouldn't know if I was in the middle of it. If you're in the middle of it, you generally know what you're doing, but you would not necessarily know if you were sitting next door to it. Okay. Okay. I gotcha. And that's why I was going to ask, would you say that there are some,

1:44:28 individuals within the CIA that are possibly not painted? And is there a one-to-one relationship? I know what my opinion is. Are they part of a, for lack of a better word, strong arm of the international syndicate? Not just from their inception, but on through their existence through today. So, are there actual CIA

1:44:59 civilian employees that don't know how evil the CIA is. Right. That's what I was asking. Okay. So if you are a support person, that's possible. You basically have, and I'm being very simplistic here, you basically have two functions.

1:45:33 in the CIA. You have, and this is not according to their org chart or anything like that, you basically have people that are analysts that go to work every day and look at NSA gathered intelligence and some from their own drones, but primarily NSA stuff, and do assessments. Now,

1:46:01 Is it possible that you got hired in as a GS-911-13 college graduate, you go to work there and you may speak the language, let's just say it's Turkish, and that you just go to work every day and all you're doing is looking at communications from the Turkish government and that's it? That is possible. Is it?

1:46:33 theoretically feasible that someone by the time they are promoted over a 25-year tenure in the CIA and become a lead analyst or a section chief a branch chief or a division chief to not understand that everything that is happening in Turkey over the course of those same 25 years where

1:47:00 The intelligence that you just analyzed was used in the execution of a village of Kurdish people. Absolutely not. At some point, the ability for deniability or ignorance evaporates. And the longer you've been there, the greater the assurance.

1:47:29 that it evaporates completely. So the information that they handle, the information that they produce, at some point gives you zero plausible deniability if you're a thinking person. And that's only the portion that does basically the analysis piece of it. The actual...

1:48:01 covert black ops piece of it, they know right off the bat. Those people are generally hired in for the explicit purpose, and a lot of them are former military. And that's what they do for a living. So they definitely know they're doing it. Now, do I believe it's possible in the case, not today, I don't.

1:48:30 If you went in out of the military in the 1960s with all of the brainwashing of how bad communism is and, oh, my God, there's communists under every rock. Do I believe that you could have spent several years in the early non-internet environment of.

1:48:58 fake intelligence that says Mossadegh is a communist. Iran's right next to the Soviet Union. Oh my God, they've got to him. We've got to get him out of office. Do I believe that you could have operated as Kermit Roosevelt did in the cooing of Mossadegh?

1:49:22 In complete ignorance that he had never picked up a phone and talked to anyone in the Soviet Union. Yes, I do believe that. But again, that deniability is gone now because anybody that has half a brain after we went through Iran-Contra and realized that the entire operation was a lie. And I'm not just even talking about knowing that the Contras were bad guys.

1:49:52 They lied about everything. They went around Congress to supply weapons. They used Israel to supply weapons to Iran. Supposedly, Iran was sequestered and not allowed to participate, which is why the whole thing was classified. Then you've got the aircraft that falls out of the air after it was shot down, and it's got drugs on it. So there's no part of that that allowed you plausible deniability after that.

1:50:21 We knew unequivocally the CIA was running weapons. We knew that they were running drugs. And at that point, the veil was lifted. There's no ignorance anymore. And anybody that works for the CIA works for them knowing all of that shit. So like the Jason Bournes, because like, you know, you see these movies. So like the Jason Bournes, those agents that were doing those things, they are probably.

1:50:50 They already, they know that what they're doing, or do you think that the CIA people are so brainwashed too that that's their way of? I just don't think they are anymore, Stellar. I could give you plausible deniability up until about five to seven years after the internet. But after you go through Iran-Contra and you have the internet with access to information.

1:51:18 You get no plausible deniability after that point. So every person in my mind now is an enemy to the Republic. The entire CIA. The entire thing. Yeah, because even now, if you are in the analysis section, you know about the secret detention sites. You know about the wet works.

1:51:45 You know your intelligence is being used to assassinate heads of state based on subjective criteria because there's no communist threat anymore. No matter how much they want to tell us there is, there isn't. After 91, when the Soviet Union, and I would even argue prior to that, but give them that reprieve. After 91, the imminent communist threat of aggression.

1:52:15 Now, if people want to make the argument that China being communist is a problem, well, why don't you win the hearts and minds of these countries? Why aren't you there doing good instead of assassinating them if they talk to China? If they talk to China, why are they talking to China? They're talking to China because they don't want your shit there because you keep assassinating people.

1:52:47 James, go ahead. Yeah, I just, it's so, the people at the top are so genius. Like, it sucks to say, but they're so smart about how they can coerce people into thinking that they are doing the work of God.

1:53:09 Even my grandfather was coerced into believing that he was indeed in this mission against communism without kind of realizing there's more to the story than just figuring out who the high-value targets are, tracking them down, sending assassination crews, all that stuff, which he inevitably figured out after staying there for three years.

1:53:34 and that's kind of why he said go fuck yourself when he came home when they offered him that assistant director spot at the cia yeah and so it's like he truly did believe he was fighting for god and country and it didn't become blatantly clear that he wasn't until the first televised war which was vietnam because he literally got to see like the differences of what was getting pushed on tv versus what was actually happening on the ground

1:54:04 And, like, even one of his—I'd have to find this. You're going to love this newspaper clip, Colonel. I need to find it. I'll go ahead and find it. We can go to someone else. But there's one that was unbelievable to just kind of how this is more than just, like, a CIA thing. It's almost like a joint thing between all the—it's like a joint combined effort for criminals to basically get rich off of warfare. Okay. All right.

1:54:33 Not a piano key. That's an interesting name. Hello. Hi. Can you hear me? Yep. I just wanted to bring up, I was in the military in 1969, the Canadian Navy. And I remember all these periods quite well. And could you talk to the Vietnam syndrome, our generation, and how we just weren't going to have any more foreign wars for about 20 years?

1:55:08 And, yeah, that's pretty much what I wanted to say. Thanks. Well, I mean, I think that's basically how we have left, other than maybe the shitty way we left Afghanistan. I think that's how we've left every war. Those that fight that war, because it's up close and personal for them, leave.

1:55:38 I mean, the people that left Korea had left World War II thinking that was the last war. And yet two years, you know, five years later, 1953. Yeah. So they're right back at it and they leave that war thinking, OK, we're done. The same thing happened in Vietnam. But I think the change for Vietnam, at least from my perspective in.

1:56:05 Living in the military with those who had just went through that experience is that the treatment of the military after Vietnam was a full stop for the people that were in the military. If they were not going to be appreciated when they came home and.

1:56:36 On top of that, a lot of them, and I didn't realize how many until I started doing this research on Gladio. And I have talked to several people, including my cousin, that was caught up in this. They didn't realize until a few years after they had got out of.

1:57:02 And not necessarily out of the military, because my cousin went and stayed in and eventually retired. But they realized how much of what had went on in Vietnam was manipulated. Because we are going to talk about, I'll save it for last, the manipulation of the whole Laurel Canyon music scene in transforming the anti-war protests.

1:57:30 into something that it absolutely was not. And Vietnam is a pivot point for how these whole operations work. And I also think that it became the launching pad for a...

1:57:56 totally perverse psychological operational aspect to war in basically how they started out the Vietnam War with the brainwashing of those people in the North to get them to move out of places they'd been for hundreds of years. I think every aspect of Vietnam in a way that had never been done before, I mean, psychological operations up to Vietnam, a little bit in Korea.

1:58:25 But definitely prior to Korea had been, you know, dropping leaflets. And did they do experiments? Absolutely. But the actual from start to finish implementation of a psychological operation, both home and abroad, really hit its zenith.

1:58:53 in Vietnam and everything after that. I think the warfare that was perpetrated on the people at home during Vietnam and nonstop since then has completely changed the dynamic of our country. And that happened as a result of all of the CIA experimentation.

1:59:22 that that Gottlieb guy had been doing the entire time. So yeah, it's crazy. Go ahead, Stellar. So what I'm gathering is, is like after World War II got finished and, you know, the OSS, you know, they had their little mind game things going on. Like you said, the propaganda war or the propaganda stuff that was going on in Korea and, you know, the leaflets. So it's like they really fine-tuned their game by the time Vietnam came around.

1:59:53 And then after Vietnam, then you start seeing how some of our laws here started changing. And, you know, and then the propaganda things. So that's so, you know, I know that we're going through that now, but it's so would it like how they started changing things? And now things are being undone, like the Chevron deference and these other stuff. You know, a lot of these other things are starting to get broken apart and things. But they, you know, how they weaponize.

2:00:21 They said that the propaganda machine can go full blown. I think it was like in the 80s and 90s and especially after Obama went in when they started weaponizing the propaganda machine against the people. It was to get us set up for what we're going through now, right? Because literally the things that are happening here in the United States currently and over the last 10, 15 years is like the pre-step of before countries that get over.

2:00:49 I don't know. I just see this all this stuff and it's just really pissing me off. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Stella. It's pissing you off. But yes, it's an answer to your question. So everything that Obama did as far as legalizing the propaganda here, you saw at the beginning of Trump's administration, because it was supposed to be Hillary's, the stepping up of those telling you to your face a lie.

2:01:18 when you can see over their shoulder the truth. So it's like having somebody stand in front of your face and tell you to your face that the sky is blue or green and you're looking past his face and the sky is perfectly blue. And they dare you to say, no, it's not, because then they're going to call you a conspiracy theorist. You just really saw all of that pick up.

2:01:47 That was all to be laid out over the course of eight years with COVID thrown in the middle of it to basically transition America, fundamentally transform our country. That was the plan. They obviously didn't get it done. And that threw them into a major panic. So it took...

2:02:17 Those things happening in order for the people in America, at least, to have four years of a single guy. And every time I think of Trump's presidency, again, because you guys know I'm a picture person, I picture salmon swimming upstream and all of them jumping out of the water trying to get up over the next waterfall so they can spawn.

2:02:46 That was Trump in his first four years. He's swimming madly upstream against all odds and still was able to do things that have never been done to the extent that they were done. The speed in which they were done, blah, blah, blah. So all of those things happened and the slamming back.

2:03:16 into a regressive four years of Joe Biden is like a whiplash that you cannot remain sleeping through. Now, are there some people that pretend like they're still sleeping? Yeah, but they're probably assets too. But you can't sleep through the four years of forward acceleration that we experienced in a good way and then

2:03:43 four years of de-acceleration, like slamming on your brakes and throwing everything in your car in the floorboard and be asleep. So that's kind of the way I envision it. And again, if you believe that you have to get people to the point where they

2:04:09 can't ignore what's right in front of their eyes it's literally like you're deprogramming people from a psyops um so brig go ahead yeah i just wanted to come on and tell mostly stellar because it sounds like she isn't isn't well informed on even some of the basics of the cia i dropped in the pill a comment about the book legacy of ashes by tim weiner

2:04:40 It will give you a lot of this history. It's no way it gets into the deepest, darkest stuff that the CIA has done, but it touches on paperclip and MKUltra and Gladio, some of the parts of it. It's a really, really good read for people that haven't dug deep into a lot of this stuff. That's all I had to say. Thanks, Brig. Actually, Stellar has been with us most of our journey. I think she has the basis, but she...

2:05:11 She still dumbfounded that this has went on for so long and none of our leaders have because they all know this. None of this is new to them. Well, one thing I want to warn you about that book, it kind of wraps up with the attitude of it's been fixed. You know, it's been cleaned up and it's been fixed in no way. Has it been fixed?

2:05:40 Exactly. And, you know, I'm glad you brought that up. A lot of the books that I have found, because I'm on like now my 27th book about this subject, very few of them do you find that accurately.

2:05:58 portray the entire thing. That's the reason why you have to read so many of them to be able to get every part of it. Because one of them, for example, Paul Williams' book, which is where I started, well, I started with The Third Way, but it really didn't talk about these stay-behind units until the very end. So the first one that I read specifically on this issue was Paul Williams' Operation Gladio book. That book

2:06:26 focuses primarily only on the very first exposure of it in what came out in Italy. Now, it does go back a little bit as to its beginning during World War II as werewolf units in Germany and blah, blah, blah. But it primarily focused on the explosive nature of the exposure in 1990 with...

2:06:52 the Italian, um, Andriotti, um, basically confessing it is real and everybody in NATO is a member of it. So, but again, that was a good place to start. Danielle Gansler's book, um, the NATO secret, um, army basically went around to all of the different countries and did a.

2:07:13 a more in-depth exposure. And then I've kind of just gone on from there through several others. And it's kind of spawned into, you know, Golden Lily, which is the whole exposure of the gold that was stashed by the Japanese in the Philippines that was used and set up in multiple funds through Lansdell, Paul Hellywell, and all of those people to be able to pay for this Black Ops.

2:07:41 And I mean, that was like a trillion dollars in gold and other assets. So this thing has over the course of time. And again, this is reading all of these different books and realizing as I read them, they're all talking about the same network. They just like one will call them paramilitaries. One will call them clandestine. But they're all talking about CIA and they're all talking about.

2:08:09 basically stay behind units. Some even call them stay behind units, like the one when we were just covering Korea. I don't know if he was with us then, but they actually called them in a declassified CIA memo, stay behind units in the memo that said that they went up north to provoke the north to attack the south. They went up and infiltrated student organizations in the north because that's where all of their university systems were back in the 1950s and set up stay behind units.

2:08:38 in order to agitate the North to get them to attack the South so they'd have a reason to invade the North. And that's in a declassified CIA memo. Well, that wasn't mentioned in any of those other books. So again, once you start looking into this, your mind is just blown. And Steller is dealing with the mind-blowing aspect of all of this stuff coming out. And it is overwhelming, especially for someone who's never been in the military, to realize

2:09:06 the incestuous nature and the breadth of this. And it all went on with 99.9%, and I'd say 9999% of the world not knowing about it until at the earliest 1990, when Andriotti began exposing it. And none of that information, except for here's...

2:09:31 onesies and twosies of news articles never talked about on television, but like the New York Times would run an article or this would. And then an occasional declassified memo like the one we just read will get read. But no one has done anything about putting this all together for the American people. And so the American people, for the most part, are ignorant of any of this existing. That's exactly correct. And I.

2:10:01 in my entire life, believed that our country was doing good. And I'm sad. And then hearing and learning all this stuff and then knowing that we've been bamboozled all these years and all these people got hurt.

2:10:17 But more importantly, that it's still freaking going on. It's happening here. And it just really makes me angry. It makes me so angry. And our tax dollars are funding these things, too, on top of it. And that they've been slowly having us go farther to that. I mean, even the size of our freaking government before 9-11 was one size. It's grown five times more now than it was back then. And it's all because of the shit that they're doing and continuing to do.

2:10:47 That's all. And I don't mean to get, I'm just really angry. I'm sorry. I wish you were here, Stella, so I can give you a hug. I don't want to make you guys angry, but I do want to make you informed. And I know, believe me, I've had my own moments because like Bridget pointed out earlier, I've lived inside of this machine and was completely ignorant of it.

2:11:14 I've had my moments. My moments happen off camera, obviously. But I've known some of the people involved in this shit. And to find out, as a matter of fact, I had to have a conversation with a very good friend of mine whose academy classmate was one of the NATO commanders that was involved in this bullshit. And luckily.

2:11:40 I had already gotten him to read Paul Williams' book, so he knew what I was talking about. Because that phone call would have went completely differently. I probably would have lost my friend. Because when you call somebody that you've served in the military with, I mean, I've known him for like 25 years. And you start talking about this shit, they think you're psycho. They think you've lost your marbles.

2:12:09 Many of the people and that's my biggest fear is and I've done it. I know how to do it. But when you talk about this to people who've been in the military and were part of it, not knowing they were part of it. Now, we just talked about the entire CIA and how it's almost impossible at certain levels for you to not know.

2:12:38 Let me explain to you as a sniper in the U.S. military how you can be on a SEAL team, you can be whatever. You, especially the junior guys, you do one thing. You shoot people. And you rely on a chain of command to have vetted all of the intel and that have...

2:13:07 unequivocally establish the fact that it's a bad guy. And they pick these teams up and they put them in foreign countries without the deep understanding of the dynamics and the politicalness, because that's why you have a hierarchy in the military. You have an NCO and you have a commanding officer.

2:13:33 that has told you, here's your mock-up, here's what's going to happen, this guy's going to come here, he's going to do this, you're going to take him out. Those guys are the ones that pulled the trigger. Those guys counted on a whole entire industry of military professionals to have established the fact that that guy is, in fact, a bad guy. Now, this is not what happened, but...

2:14:03 If I was to say that it was a SEAL team that was told to kidnap Lumumba, it was not. It was Belgium military that did this. But even the Belgium people, if you're told to go kidnap somebody, you are told that you're taking him in for questioning. Okay, so you do that. Now you go back and do whatever your normal job is.

2:14:31 He's been handed off. Whoever he was handed off to, that military group that kidnapped him has no idea who he was handed off to. He was dropped off at a building. Some people came out, escorted him in. If they find out that that guy was tortured and then assassinated and later boiled in acid, that has nothing to do with the military people that was involved at the beginning. But are those people going to...

2:15:00 have regret if they know that that is in fact who they were told to kidnap. And again, in some of these cases, they're given an alias as to who they're actually kidnapping. So they're given a picture and they are told that this guy is going to be here, he's going to be wearing this, he's going to do whatever. They're not even given the right name because they don't want the mission blown. And so in those cases, unequivocally, no one in the military can be held accountable.

2:15:31 for some of those actions when they turn the person over to people in the CIA or contracted CIA assets, as in the case with Otto Skorzeny, who was ultimately, intimately involved in the Lumumba assassination. So it's a very complex issue that is going to have to be dealt with somehow.

2:15:58 But obviously the first start is getting rid of the CIA. James, go ahead. All right. If you do not mind, it is a long-winded paper clipping, but he did write at the top, all the doubters should read this carefully, which is very good.

2:16:15 That. So it is the, uh, Ted offensive. I don't think he covered that today at night. Are you going to cover that at some point? So we can, we can cover that tomorrow and we can lead off with that because we're already 20 minutes over. Um, can you make it here tomorrow at four? Yeah, I can. Uh, Oh shit. Actually. Fuck. I work. Uh, I think I'm working taco Tuesday tomorrow. Okay. Well, we can wait till Wednesday to cover the Ted offensive cause it's farther down the road anyway. Um,

2:16:43 And we'll just schedule that for Wednesday. Okay, perfect. Yeah, sounds good. Thanks again, Colonel. Thanks. So if everybody else is good, we're going to go ahead and call it a day since we have ran a little long. Can you check your DMs? I left you something last night. I was co-hosting a space with Doug.

2:17:07 with Doug Billings as a guest, and I was talking to him a little bit about Operation Gladio. He would like to have you reach out with him if that's okay. Oh, sure. Absolutely. Thank you. Love him. He is an awesome guy. Well, he is now aware of Bridget Cousinet.

2:17:25 Colonel Towner and definitely Operation Gladio. And I talked to him about and I even when he was talking about certain things, I even referred to them as international syndicates. That's what she did. I was on there for quite a bit of that. I just kind of was I was listening because I was busy doing something else and not able to talk. So I didn't even ask for a mic. And Stellar represented us all very, very well. You did an awesome job, Stellar.

2:17:53 You are a rock star, Stella. She is. I mean, you are absolutely integral, and I always look forward to your post. She had all of those words. I mean, she was like, boom, boom, boom. Oh, wait, Colonel Towner, you need to get her on. I loved it. All right, if you guys haven't seen, haven't looked at the post,

2:18:24 um, that I did earlier. We, um, we definitely got some, um, crazy stuff going earlier today. Um, with, um, what's his name? Oh, Bridget. I just threw a blank. Oh my God. I know it. Billy. Billy. What's his name? The movie star. Alex Baldwin's brother. Yeah. Billy Baldwin. Yeah. So if you guys haven't seen that in, um,

2:18:55 If you haven't saw it on my timeline, please go look that up and comment on it. We wanted to like just drowned him because I and who was the other guy? Oh, the Lincoln Project. Yeah. What was his name? Let me go check my stuff. I could probably let you know because I did comment on him. I have to look at my. Yeah. So I know my mind's blank. I've got Vietnam written everywhere in my brain right now.

2:19:27 So that guy, is it Wilson? That guy. There was a W, yes. I believe that might've been it. That guy, when I was answering someone else and I said something about Operation Gladio, he goes, yeah, it's not 1949. And I went off. So again, you guys, if you can find that in my timeline.

2:19:56 Please repost it. I want everybody to see it. It is one of the best take-downs that I have ever done that has Operation Gladio as the subject. Because it's just really good. It's classic. And I wouldn't be at all surprised, although I haven't went back and checked to see if he blocked me. Because it was that bad.

2:20:25 But anyway, or that good, depending on what your perspective is. I've got it right here. I will put it on the bottom. I'll put it down on the bottom of this thread. I've got it right here because I was helping to edumacate him. Yeah, that Wilson guy is like the essence of duopoly CIA because, you know, he's like former Republicans who became Democrats.

2:20:50 As the Democrats became even more CIA. So there's nothing worse than that. That's a very well put. That's exactly right. When you change. And that's very interesting that you say that, because obviously there's an Overton window switch going on here where you now have the face of the GOP, as I pointed out earlier today, as all.

2:21:17 prior Democrats, whether it's General Flynn or Trump or Elon Musk or any of those people are now becoming the face. And none of them are the classic GOP, right? Where are they at? And then you have the classic GOP neocons converting to be Democrats, which are fascist.

2:21:46 The whole Overton window kind of like blew up. Go ahead, Stellar. Yeah. And then there was one, I think it was that Wilson, I did put it up on the top part here and on the bottom. And then he mentioned something, he said something like, bro, Colonel Towner, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And I'm like, I go, Colonel Towner is a woman. If you would have done your research, whatever. So I kind of did that part of it because he referred to you as a bro. I said, she's a woman. And if you did your research, you know, you would know that. So stop.

2:22:18 Yeah. And then I had one of his stupid people come on there and she was like spouting off. And I'm like, how dare you? And it was a woman. And I'm like, how dare you misgender me? Because she did the same damn thing. Call me Jethro. Anyway. All right, guys. I'm glad. And you guys.

2:22:41 For those of you that were online this morning, did such an awesome job of having my six and just like launched right in there. So thank you again very much. Together, we're going to do this. We are going to make sure everybody knows what Operation Gladio is and how it affects our daily life today. It isn't something that just happened in 1949. So anyway.

2:23:06 Thank you very much for being here. Hey, guys. It was Rick Wilson, and I posted it in the pill. Thank you, Carrie. Rick Wilson, you're right. My pleasure. Thank you. Thank you, honey. And I said to the Baldwin guy that he was impotent. Colonel, thank you for also sticking up again for the Vietnam veterans. That carries a special place in my heart. I appreciate you. Thank you.

2:23:36 All right, guys. It is really sad when a man has it. I was going to say it is really sad to what Carrie was saying. It is really sad for a man to be an any on the manhood. So, yeah, he's one of those. Have a good one. Thanks for having me, Colonel. Sure. See you guys tomorrow at four.

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“that there's a big question mark over whether the chicken or the egg came first in this. Because if you go back even further, you have the UK coming into China via India with opium. And that's the Box…”

William E. Boeing supplied_arms_to Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 7:15

“the number of people. And that's where William Polly goes to hang out with his Curtis aircraft franchise. And he starts building aircraft over there for Chiang Kai-shek. He is arming and equipping as …”

Chiang Kai-shek trafficked Thailand host_asserted ▶ 8:46

“And Paul Helliwell of the CIA is his basically right-hand guy. And he watches Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT army pay for their warfare against Mao by selling opium. And he's selling opium through Thaila…”

Paul Helliwell member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 8:46

Paul Helliwell proposed Allen Dulles host_asserted ▶ 9:14

“Because it's a 100% cash industry. And he suggests to, during the end of the OSS into the beginning of the CIA, to William Donovan and then on to Alan Dulles, that they do the same thing. And they use…”

Paul Helliwell proposed William J. Donovan host_asserted ▶ 9:14

North Atlantic Treaty Organization founded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 9:45

“a big bill come and do because they have already decided with the creation of NATO that they're going to set up a bunch of Gladio units, a bunch of cached weapon stashes for them to do whatever they w…”

China Lobby installed Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 10:45

“plays host to Chiang Kai-shek for a while until the Burmese authorities gets tired of him. And then they push him out to a island off the coast of China, because he is, after all, Chinese, called Form…”

Chiang Kai-shek installed China host_asserted ▶ 10:45

Chiang Kai-shek headed China host_asserted ▶ 11:45

“are transported there, and they flip their shingle around, and it says political party now, not army. KMT army, KMT political party. And that political party is still basically in control of Taiwan to…”

William E. Boeing founded China host_asserted ▶ 13:41

“Taiwan was basically an American colony. The guy I mentioned earlier, William Pauly, created their air force. He bought and paid for it with the black ops money out of his Curtis aircraft franchise th…”

Chiang Kai-shek funded Elaine Chao host_asserted ▶ 14:10

“Black Ops money doing this. He also bought a bunch of ships and gave them to Chiang Kai-shek. Oh, and by the way, Senator McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, her family, the one that we keep being told is …”

William E. Boeing supplied_arms_to Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 14:10

Khun Sa trafficked Burma book_quoted ▶ 16:12

“an Asian warlord by the name of Kun Sa, S-A, who died this week. And he commanded an army of thousands and supplied as much as a quarter of the world's heroin. A quarter, 25% of the world's heroin. An…”

Khun Sa member_of Mak Thai Army book_quoted ▶ 23:09

“nationalist version crowd in Burma. An already devoted band of fighters was consolidated on the Thai border and eventually became the Mak Thai Army, a fighting force of over 20,000 troops. By the 1980…”

Khun Sa headed Shan State National Army book_quoted ▶ 25:10

“He convened a parliament attended by hundreds of delegates and later announced the formation of an independent Shan State, of which he declared himself the president. But control of his own forces beg…”

CIA recruited Michigan State University host_asserted ▶ 28:06

“over 45 major universities, all the names that you would expect, Stanford, Yale, Harvard, Columbia, blah, blah, blah, New York University, as CIA, they would create research facilities in these univer…”

CIA front_for Castle Bank & Trust host_asserted ▶ 32:21

“hired civilians, not like assets where they're getting paid through that company or whatever. But there were some of those. So there were other companies like Castle Bank and Paul Helliwell. So Castle…”

CIA front_for Nugan Hand Bank host_asserted ▶ 32:46

“And when they decided they were done using that bank as a money laundering, they closed the bank and everybody lost everything they had in the bank. And they don't give a shit. They did the same thing…”

Nugan Hand Bank member_of The Enterprise host_asserted ▶ 33:37

“But most people sitting in America would, if you're looking at a place to put a branch of an international bank that was headquartered in Australia, you sure as hell wouldn't put it in Chiang Mai unle…”

Norman Schwarzkopf Sr. founded SAVAK host_asserted ▶ 37:25

“And they start going out to all of the villages and teaching the cops out to police. And they also form a national police force like we did in Iran, the Savak. Remember the stories that we talked abou…”

Norman Schwarzkopf Sr. founded New Jersey host_asserted ▶ 37:56

“norman swartzkopf senior that went into iran and set up their national police this is what we're talking about these are the patterns guys that was 1953 well he actually set up the police before that …”

Fort Benning trained Anastasio Somoza host_asserted ▶ 38:53

“training both ICE agents and border agents. And those are the same guys that trained Pinochet and all of the Somoza dictators in Latin America that went out and killed tens of thousands of their own c…”

Fort Benning trained Augusto Pinochet host_asserted ▶ 38:53

Michigan State University headed Asia Advisory Group host_asserted ▶ 41:49

“Michigan State University, they had the Vietnam Advisory Group. And what do they call the entity that they install in all of these countries that is the U.S. base of the CIA? It's called the Military …”

USAID funded Asia Advisory Group host_asserted ▶ 42:19

“But I find it interesting that they use the exact same terminology. So Michigan State had a Vietnam advisory group. And do you know where it got its funding? USAID. USAID is a CIA cutout inside the St…”

USAID funded Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 43:44

“So our tax dollars through the military aid program and USAID has been used to fund Operation Gladio. So it says that this group was funded by USAID for technical assistance programs for South Vietnam…”

Charles Killingsworth headed Asia Advisory Group documented ▶ 44:46

“So if you look at the origins of it, they had the coordinator for the program was a guy originally by the name of Charles King Killingsworth. Charles Killingsworth. Hold on. We're having a storm right…”

Stanley Scheinbaum member_of Asia Advisory Group documented ▶ 46:23

“That of a guy that was over there by the name of Stanley Scheinbaum. And his name is S-H-E-I-N-B-A-U-M. He was another leader that was in that program. And the document that they have for him, it says…”

Richard McCleary member_of Asia Advisory Group documented ▶ 46:51

“Lots of very interesting things. And it has a lot of actual handwritten letters. Another guy that was there, his name is Richard McCleary, M-C-C-L-E-E-R-Y. And interestingly enough, they created a sch…”

Ngo Dinh Diem appointed Tran Ngoc Chau book_quoted ▶ 57:07

“And this is Tran Ngoc Chau is one of his original army officers that was assigned to the South and has now basically defected. Mr. Chau eventually attracted the attention of President Ngo Dinh Dem, wh…”

Ngo Dinh Diem appointed Tran Ngoc Chau book_quoted ▶ 57:35

“In 1962, Dem appointed Mr. Chow as chief of a large province along the Mekong Delta. Mr. Chow spent much of the next three years experimenting with alternative counterinsurgency methods. Mr. Chow quic…”

Tran Ngoc Chau founded Phoenix Program book_quoted ▶ 1:02:55

“Mr. Chow's second innovation was the creation of what he called – and see, the New York Times isn't going to tell us these are CIA ideas. They're going to pose these as if they were the indigenous Vie…”

Daniel Ellsberg member_of RAND Corporation book_quoted ▶ 1:04:49

“Although Mr. Chow spoke English with a heavy accent, he could present his ideas about counterinsurgency in a plain and common sense manner, which made him popular with the American advisors, one of wh…”

Nguyen Van Thieu removed_from_power Tran Ngoc Chau book_quoted ▶ 1:07:46

“If you read other accounts for this, he was driven out of the program because he was not as ruthless as they wanted him to be. In the wake of the 1968 Tet Offensive, Mr. Chow began to call for a negot…”

United States House of Representatives covered_up Phoenix Program documented ▶ 1:19:21

“has criticized the Pentagon for failure to investigate possible war crimes by U.S. soldiers against Vietnamese civilians in South Vietnamese political assassination program. It was learned today. But …”

BND spied_on Soviet Union caller_asserted ▶ 1:42:27

“And I guess they manipulate the CIA, which is not really secret here in Germany. It was even on the newspaper that the CIA or the Americans were fed with all sort of bullshit about the Russians right …”

Kermit Roosevelt carried_out_attack 1953 Iranian coup d'état host_asserted ▶ 1:48:58

“fake intelligence that says Mossadegh is a communist. Iran's right next to the Soviet Union. Oh my God, they've got to him. We've got to get him out of office. Do I believe that you could have operate…”

Allen Dulles funded Vietnam War host_asserted ▶ 1:59:22

“that that Gottlieb guy had been doing the entire time. So yeah, it's crazy. Go ahead, Stellar. So what I'm gathering is, is like after World War II got finished and, you know, the OSS, you know, they …”

Tim Weiner exposed Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 2:04:40

“It will give you a lot of this history. It's no way it gets into the deepest, darkest stuff that the CIA has done, but it touches on paperclip and MKUltra and Gladio, some of the parts of it. It's a r…”

Tim Weiner exposed MKUltra book_quoted ▶ 2:04:40

Tim Weiner exposed Operation Paperclip book_quoted ▶ 2:04:40

Paul L. Williams exposed Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 2:05:58

“portray the entire thing. That's the reason why you have to read so many of them to be able to get every part of it. Because one of them, for example, Paul Williams' book, which is where I started, we…”

Danielle Ganser exposed Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 2:06:52

“the Italian, um, Andriotti, um, basically confessing it is real and everybody in NATO is a member of it. So, but again, that was a good place to start. Danielle Gansler's book, um, the NATO secret, um…”

Ciriaco De Mita exposed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 2:06:52

Belgium carried_out_attack Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 2:14:03

“If I was to say that it was a SEAL team that was told to kidnap Lumumba, it was not. It was Belgium military that did this. But even the Belgium people, if you're told to go kidnap somebody, you are t…”

Otto Skorzeny carried_out_attack Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 2:15:31

“for some of those actions when they turn the person over to people in the CIA or contracted CIA assets, as in the case with Otto Skorzeny, who was ultimately, intimately involved in the Lumumba assass…”