OPERATION GLADIO Exposed by COLONEL TOWNER in Presidents' Secret Wars Chapter 8

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0:02 all right let me take these guys off of mute we are going to get started um in about three minutes as soon as miss bridget or sr71 shows up but happy friday everybody it's almost the weekend um i feel um the need to actually confess that every day is a weekend for me um but um friday

0:37 Has all of a sudden taken on a little of its old meaning since I am watching my grandbaby for my daughter for the next couple of months. So, yeah, that's fun. Anyway. All right. So lots of stuff going on. Holy moly. I'm going to, again, wait just a couple of minutes.

1:12 I'll take this opportunity to mention a couple of things. So we did an awesome show last night with CanCon and Alpha. And we talked about Greenland. I shared with them some very interesting tidbits of information. And had a lot of fun. Alpha's crazy. I think everybody knows that.

1:42 And today I did the show with Warhamster on Secret Societies. And as with everything Warhamster, I definitely learned a lot. And it does amaze me at the patterns of the people.

2:11 that are involved in the international syndicate. And I love partnering with him on that part because it obviously is not my expertise. And he does have a leg up on anyone, basically. His fiance's parents are historians in a university setting.

2:37 in the Northeast. And so they get to go all kinds of places and see all kinds of things that you and I would not be able to. And he has access to a lot of research material. So it definitely makes it and I'm very glad that I'm able to share his expertise with everybody here because I know that's a frequently asked question is who are they? And I think it becomes fairly obvious.

3:06 who they are when you start looking at the organizations um like skull and bones um that they belong to so with that being said we now have bridget and sr71 in place so we're going to kick this off if you guys wouldn't mind reposting the space they have a tendency to

3:29 hide the space. I've had people repeatedly tell me that they're looking for it and can't find it on the master list. So you wouldn't mind sharing that out. As a matter of fact, I think I just did the DM, so I will do it myself. Well, that's interesting.

3:57 I'm not even going to try to pretend like I understand what's going on. Um, yeah, it's, it's a hot mess and we'll just leave it at that. All right. So let's get started. Chapter eight. And, um, let's see, this is probably another one we're going to have to do in two parts. Um, cause it's fairly long. Um, but it's called archipelago and this one starts off with, um,

4:30 Talking about some elements of the CIA regretted not being able to act to help the Hungarian crisis, because remember where we left that is that they had basically rebelled, thinking that the West, specifically the U.S. and Britain, would come to their aid and free them if they began a...

4:54 civil war against the Soviet occupation, only to be left high and dry and a whole bunch of them getting killed. And so it goes on to say that there were a variety of other jobs to which they could turn an array of operations in the Middle East and along the China coast, meaning that they weren't interested in actually freeing people that wanted to be free.

5:21 They were interested in attacking people that they wanted to control. And that really is the lesson that needs to be driven home here. The CIA at no time has ever between the opportunity to free people that are fighting for actual freedom and to go off and for their overlords, overthrow a government that has resources that they wanted.

5:50 The CIA has never opted for freedom, ever. So both of the other areas that they were looking at had opportunity for both political action and covert operations. But unlike the victories in Iran and Guatemala, these proved to be a little bit more difficult. But they were in it for different reasons, too.

6:20 The results did not dampen their vigor of wanting to do covert operations, however. And while the president monitored the overall program, his secretary of state, John Foster Dulles, and his brother, Allen, oversaw the execution. And this is a critical point because you remember in many of these books, they pretend like the State Department is separate from the CIA, and it is not.

6:52 John Foster Dulles pursued the secret war with the same zeal and energy that he attended diplomatic meetings. He became the most traveled Secretary of State in American history, which isn't a surprise because all of his customers had international businesses. Foster kept close tabs on his brother Allen in the intel world. Foster Dulles was abrasive, rigid, and a pragmatist.

7:21 Advantage was mainly the common outlook that he shared with Eisenhower, but the Secretary of State was already in physical decline. He would eventually die of cancer in 1959, and the continuing crisis that followed Hungary took a great toll on him. One of the new plans originating in the months before the Suez, a CIA contract officer assigned for purposes of cover

7:51 to the operations coordination board heard the code name strangle straggle sorry strangle straggle used at an anglo-american intelligence conference it had been dropped by george k young who was deputy to the sis chief in connection with the middle east operation when the cia man returned to washington he discovered that a planning task force called omega

8:21 had already been formed at the State Department. Unfamiliar with the chain of command, the CIA man, Wilbur Evelyn, E-V-E-L-A-N-D, thought, quote, that plans to undertake a coup in Syria were centered in the State Department struck me highly unusual. I'd expected to see papers referring to NSC policy decisions and instructions that the OCB coordinated.

8:50 carrying them out. Instead, it seemed the decision had been made by the Secretary of State and that the Omega planners were in charge of following through. Foster Dulles held a meeting in May of 1956 to consider the final Omega paper. Shortly thereafter, Evelyn, an experienced Middle East agent,

9:16 was directed to scout the possibilities on the ground. He was given two months in theater. In July, Kermit Roosevelt went out to Jordan on another assignment related to this same mission. Operation Straggle, known to the Americans as Wakeful, so Straggle was the British name, led to a complete disaster. The basic idea was to bring about a coup with Syrian officers.

9:44 to forestall the Ba'ath party, which would have, of course, been the Assads. In fact, however, the British seem to be manipulated. The British seem to have manipulated the CIA into timing the operation for precisely the beginning of the Anglo-French-Israeli action against the Suez. The coup project collapsed.

10:12 As key Syrian and Iraqis became convinced, the Americans were only assisting the other action against Nasser in Egypt. The coup was resurrected in 57 and renamed Operation Wappen, W-A-P-P-E-N, with the CIA in Beirut, Lebanon, coordinating a covert working group composed of representatives from the British SIS plus Iraqi, Jordanian, and Lebanese intelligence.

10:41 The station chief in Damascus also had his own version of Operation Wakeful, for which he had brought up a political action specialist by the name of Howard Rocky Stone. So Rocky was his nickname. One of those officers who had worked with Kermit Roosevelt in Iran. The agency got in touch with former Syrian president.

11:11 who had been considered unacceptable as an ally in the 56 coup. This time, the Syrian officers who had been recruited simply walked into the office of the intelligence chief, Lieutenant Colonel Abdul Hamid Sarja, named the CIA officers and turned in the money that they had been given. American agents

11:34 Rocky Stone and Frank Jedim had been caught red-handed and exposed in the Syrian press and were expelled from the country. In August 57, in the issue of Time Magazine, they dismissed reports that the U.S. had sponsored a coup and labeled it Soviet propaganda. Where have we seen that before?

12:04 One novelty for the CIA during 56 was a global inspection tour by Alan Dulles. He had taken Ray Klein as an aide on this trip, and the group cover over 30,000 miles in 57 days. They used the director's personal plane, a modified version of a DC-6. Dulles inspected the stations in Europe.

12:34 Turkey, Pakistan, India, Thailand, South Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, the Philippines, Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan. Now let me point out for you guys exactly what's going on here. This is in 56. This is as we're getting ready to upend the French in Vietnam.

13:02 And every single country that I just named, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Thailand, South Vietnam, Singapore, Australia. As a matter of fact, these are all going to be in the 70s where they open BCCI branches and branches of Nugent Hand Bank to money launder the drugs that they're going to have produced during this time.

13:31 So he's basically doing a whirlwind tour to set up the operation that will eventually unfold when we take over Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia and all of the Golden Triangle opium fields. Dulles' world tour was Washington's recognition of the CIA's global role. For the warriors, a more accurate sign.

14:01 of their fate, lay in Allen Dulles' airplane. In 1958, through a chain of coincidences and misfortunes, his plane flew into Soviet airspace, then was shot down with the loss of four of the nine occupants. This set the tone for an operation that was being prepared in Indonesia, which

14:31 Of course, we end up overthrowing in the 1960s because we don't like Sukarno and we want to put Suharto in there because of their massive gold and oil find. Dwight Eisenhower, in his recollections of the president, I guess in his library, mentions Sukarno.

14:59 of Indonesia exactly one time. Eisenhower remarks that he had not seen Sukarno in years. This comment was made in the context of a discussion of why Eisenhower felt justified in rejecting a 1960 plea from Sukarno and four other national leaders for a summit talk between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

15:28 dissatisfaction with Indonesia led to a major paramilitary operation designed to overthrow the existing government, much like they did in Iran and Guatemala. In the 60s, appeal for a superpower detente, Sukarno was in fact speaking from experience of having been caught between the two adversaries.

15:53 Sukarno's unpardonable offense in the eyes of Eisenhower was to reject the division of the world into two camps. Sukarno said there was a third way of being neutral, taking neither side in the Cold War, as did certain other leaders like Burma, Nasser, Nehru of India, which, by the way, they all get taken care of in not a good way.

16:20 Sukarno advocated a new association of non-aligned nations, and that's not allowed, sorry. Indonesia hosted a major national conference in 1955 for this coalition, and the People's Republic of China played a major role in these meetings, looking obviously for international recognition because this is mainland China, not the ones they love in Taiwan.

16:49 Throughout his stewardship of the State Department, John Foster Dollars remained a steadfast opponent of non-alignment. You are not allowed to be neutral unless you're Switzerland and Sweden. And that's just because they were pretending to be neutral when they were never neutral. If you're really neutral, that's not allowed. And they're in charge because they'll kill you if you don't obey. Plus, like I said, it really.

17:17 Although they hated the fact that he was neutral, they knew that the gold and oil was there since the 1930s. That's really what they wanted. They'll use any excuse to get to that. So Dulles behaved as if choosing one of the Cold War camps was a moral duty. And if you failed to perform your moral duty by choosing or not choosing and wanting to be neutral, you were just as bad as being evil.

17:46 This disposition blinded Dulles to certain real possibilities and opportunities for actual foreign relations, but that's not why he's there. That's what cracks me up. These authors fail to realize they're not there. They're there for their masters, which are the international syndicate, and to rape and pillage all of the resources. In 1957, Burmese Prime Minister

18:13 offered to intercede for the Americans during an official visit to Peking. He did so, and the Chinese agreed to release the captured CIA agent John Downey and Richard Fechtow in exchange for nothing more than Americans' agreement to allow a few journalists to visit the People's Republic and report on what the actual new China looked like. Dulles refused, and the CIA men

18:42 remained in prison for over another 10 years when they could have been free because of this bastard. Because of Chinese involvement in the non-aligned movement, Dulles feared the Soviets would be able to manipulate the neutralists for propaganda gain. Sukarno was an object of particular ire for the brothers for organizing this effort.

19:15 The Indonesian president appeared vulnerable because of cultural and geographic nature of his country, because, of course, Indonesia is made up of a million islands and geographically stretched out. So it's almost impossible to defend the Dutch colony for almost four centuries, 400 years. Indonesia.

19:38 was made up of both Muslim and Buddhist influences. The different social groups were isolated on their own different islands, and obviously Indonesia made up archipelago. Basically, 3,000 minor islands and six major islands.

20:02 Independence came in the rush of decolonization after World War II for the Indonesians, the problem land transforming the array of islands into a nation state. Sukarno had been a prominent wartime nationalist and active in the post-war resistance against the Dutch. He was a natural choice for president, just like...

20:31 Kim in Korea, and Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. He basically played the same role in Indonesia. He was a pragmatist visionary, and Sukarna was a no-nonsense kind of guy, and he was not in any stretch of the imagination a communist, none. Indeed, he outlawed the Communist Party in 1949 following an abortive coup attempt.

21:01 After cooperating with the armed forces, Sukarno then turned away from them and Sukarno was basically kind of managing all of the desperate people throughout Indonesia. Economic chaos reigned amid the political struggle.

21:23 Rubber, tin and oil were the main exports, but prices for the first two had fluctuated in the early 1950s while oil production was falling. By the mid 1950s, the small budget surplus had become a deficit and fractionalism was rampant during that time and he was having trouble budgetarily. And of course, this is not because just.

21:50 isolated incidences to Indonesia, they were manipulating the market to cause stress, just like they've done for other countries. The first CIA operation was a political action. Elections were to be held in September 1955, and the Americans wished to influence them. Kermit Roosevelt approved a program memorandum requesting a million dollars. The memorandum was only a few paragraphs long.

22:20 Lacked any detail or even a plan. It just basically was a budget request. The project sailed through the bureaucracy, received all of the approval that it needed, and the money was spent to promote a progressive Muslim party exchanging the dollars for Indonesian money on the Hong Kong Black Market Exchange. The CIA was able to get its approved budget into the equivalent of basically

22:49 $4 million in the U.S. because of the black market exchange. Well, now I got to sneeze. Well, maybe I don't. As soon as I say it, I don't. But in the elections, the, let's see, there were 6 million, there were 34 million votes cast and Sukarno.

23:16 then appeared to confirm Americans' fears by making official visits during the 1956 to China, Russia, and other Eastern European countries. The American began rumblings that he's now a communist. Again, it was Frank Wisner who set the pace. One day towards the end of 56, he said, I think it's time we held Soccarno's feet to the fire.

23:46 Wisner's subordinate returned to the Far East Division with the word that the new arrangement for Soekarno was going to be moved up in the priority. And one officer in the Indonesian branch recalled being told that if some plan for doing this was not forthcoming, that their stockings were going to be filled with coal.

24:14 Far East Division was the biggest in that area of the CIA. As it happened, the division chief, Alfred Ulmer, U-L-M-E-R, Jr., knew about paramilitary operations, but very little about Asia. He had been transferred from the European operation under a CIA policy that allowed executives with experience to move into different regions.

24:43 had begun in the navy and had been transferred to the oss and he stayed all the way through the different iterations until it finally got to be the cia he had served in vienna and madrid and had been a station chief in athens now what do we know about that madrid is where franco was um is at this time he's still there

25:09 where Otto Skorzeny is. So this guy has worked covert operations with Otto Skorzeny. And he was in Greece, and we know that we overthrew Greece government too. So he is no stranger to covert operations. Ulmer depended on his, basically his office to develop a plan for Indonesia. It was at this point that an opportunity seemed to just appear.

25:38 Indonesia's local commanders in western and northern Sumatra, frustrated by command changes in the army and other factors, declared themselves independent and not bound to any national military command. The Indonesian colonels who began this revolt in December 1956 then used their own troops and government-provided equipment to smuggle goods on a large scale through Singapore. The revolt widened.

26:07 in 1957 when the colonel commanding the area declared a state of emergency and replaced the civilian government there in their own form of coup. There's kind of controversy over whether that was an organic thing that happened or whether that was part of this whole operation. There's different accounts of that. I'm just going to leave that there. The CIA had several avenues for contacting the Indonesian

26:40 Richard Bissell, then the special assistant to Alan Dulles, recalls that the Indonesians had approached the agency at least two years before the operation, which is why most people think they were involved in it. These contacts came through the Indonesian military attache in Washington, who later defected. And most people believe he's the one that instigated the whole thing using the CIA.

27:11 And the reason why I know this is because I did quite a bit of research into this, because one of these colonels was the guy, Sotero, that Obama's mother ends up with. He's one of the colonels that's involved in this. Finally, the U.S. conducted a training program in Indonesian National Police, and in the course of which CIA officers began infiltrating other aspects of Cuba.

27:41 Sukarno's government. An approach came in April 1957 through local channels for two of the prominent colonels, a guy by the name of Hussein, isn't that weird? Hussein, like Barack Obama's middle name? Yeah, that Hussein. And Sembolin, who had been passed over in Sukarno's army.

28:11 and so they were disgruntled. These officers wished to meet personally with a CIA man, and Al Ulmer saw the opportunity to make this happen. So when the desk officer brought this opportunity to him in Jakarta, top security was immediately imposed by Ulmer, and there was a restricted need to know that

28:40 amounted to only nine people in the entire CIA. With some hesitation, there had been no 5412 group meeting to approve any of these operations. And so Ulmer got Allen Dulles and Wisner to let him follow up on the contact. A meeting took place and the Indonesian colonels wanted modern American weapons.

29:11 Still, it lacked any presidential approval whatsoever. After an unsuccessful try at arranging a private arms deal, it was determined to seek authority and then move ahead with an official arms deal. Sukarna himself helped the Eisenhower administration decide to support this narrative because in February 1957, the Indonesian president had given a speech.

29:38 where he prescribed guided democracy for his country, asserting that Western-style democracy had proved inadequate for Indonesia. And again, you're not allowed to decide what form of government you have. The Americans will decide for you because they know best. So Sukarno declared that political parties should be disbanded and that they basically would have anybody could run for president.

30:10 This was, let's see, the speech came after Sukarno's extended tour of the Eastern Asian, like Russia and or Soviet Union and China visits. Washington saw this as a quote unquote move to communism. To top it all off, Sukarno then welcomed the Soviet president.

30:40 president into Indonesia for a stay of over two months. In May, the U.S. flatly rejected a request by Sukarno to make a visit to Washington. The fall of 1957, as it turns out, there would be little opposition to putting Indonesia on the CIA hit list. When Frank Wisner hand-carried the DCI's office a simple voucher that would enable him to withdraw $10 million.

31:09 for the overthrow. The active phase of Indonesia operations caused some uproar internal to the CIA. Allen Dulles kept in close contact, although he delegated the supervisory role mainly to Lieutenant General Charles Cabell, C-A-B-E-L-L.

31:30 Bissell was brought into the planning despite his usual job of managing aerial reconnaissance programs because the U-2 was going to be used over Indonesia to create intel. Cabal began to rely on Bissell's organizational skills for operational planning. Everybody was excited because they were going to pull off another coup. Ulmer exclaimed, we'll drive Lebanon.

32:00 off the front pages of the news because we're going to overthrow another government. The State Department did impose certain restrictions. There was to be only one team of Americans on the ground at any one time and a radio operator. They were to maintain contact with the colonels that were the dissidents in the country. The Indonesian project is unique in that it shows very clearly that the command role of John Foster Dulles

32:28 in the secret war the secretary of state was in new york for a meeting at the un when he received word from his brother alan on september 16 1957 for the final go-ahead for the coup only his side of the conversation was recorded by an official note taker here's what he said quote then you got the green light otherwise unquote he also asked is this the west

32:58 and not the east end and then he asked is that near to us and then basically said okay the first item of business at the nsc meeting in september was an interdepartmental committee meeting on indonesia its recommendation was to continue the present pattern of our formal relations but to adjust our program and activities to give active support to non-communist forces which was basically anybody that they claimed

33:29 and also to execute a CIA covert operation. From that moment, the Secretary of State was in frequent contact with his brother over the Indonesian operation. Foster Dulles overruled his own ambassador in Jakarta, John Allison, who had learned of American contact with the colonels and argued against CIA support, as was the case with the American ambassador during the Lee-Me business in Burma.

33:59 Allison was then deliberately misinformed regarding anything that was going on with the CIA operation. John Foster called Allen on November 29th to tell him of an extremely significant cable from Allison that involved a complete reversal in that the ambassador was now advising action. Foster said, quote,

34:23 What was happening there was that one by one, they were gradually being eliminated. Our assets were gradually shrinking. Today, we have substantial assets with which to deal. We will, however, have only half those if any more time goes by. Because evidently, Sukarno wasn't as dumb as the Americans thought he was. The degree of John Foster Dulles' involvement was again demonstrated in the next few days.

34:51 when in an assassination attempt carried out by some quote-unquote Islamic fanaticals and unrelated to what their planning was, supposedly. I don't believe any of that. Five hand grenades were thrown at Soccarno as he left a school fundraiser. Soccarno escaped, 10 persons were killed, and 48 children injured.

35:23 which sounds exactly like an Operation Gladio event, because they do this to get the people to turn against their president. The immediate question was whether to send condolences on the desk and congratulate Sukarno on his escape. Foster thought that was going to be a wise thing to do. Probably the failure to do it would look suspicious, he said, during early December. Yeah, because we want you dead, but we want to do it.

35:55 During early December, difficulties arose with the British. In Singapore, the CIA had maintained liaison with British intelligence for many years, but in Indonesia, it was thought desirable to expand their local station and not share with the British. Because again, remember what they're doing. The British were partners with Dutch Shell in the oil in this area.

36:24 The Rockefellers want Standard Oil to have that oil all by themselves. And so there is some one-ups been going on here. So Allen went to Foster while senior British foreign officer officials were visiting Washington for discussions. The secretary remarked, quote, if this thing goes on the way on the way it is, we will have something across there.

36:56 which will be pretty bad, unquote. A few minutes later, Foster was on the phone to his undersecretary, Christian Herter, H-E-R-T-E-R. What he would like to do is to see things get to a point where we could plausibly withdraw our recognition of the Sukarno government and basically bestow that on someone else. We may never have a better opportunity than now.

37:23 And on December 12th, the secretary's intelligence director, Hugh Cumming Jr., told Foster he hoped the secretary, quote, will get the British with us in Indonesia. MI6 and SIS wants to move and cooperate with the CIA, unquote, because they know the oil and the gold is there, too, because Dutch are the ones that originally found it.

37:52 Allen Dulles remaining optimistic in mid-January that Dulles told his brother Foster, everything's going all right on this matter. This view was echoed in the last minute official appraisal sent by the CIA over Dulles' signature on January 31st. The 14-page paper argued that the group of military men seemed assured of support.

38:21 from other facets of the country and that they would be able to break Sukarno's grip on the country. Intelligence reported that the group in present circumstances believes it could successfully resist any military action by the central government. The CIA had advanced knowledge of the rebel ultimatum

38:43 which it predicted would be delivered on the 5th of February, but critically miscalculated in its assessment that Sukarno would not attempt to put pressure on the outer islands in the short run. CIA assumed that their group would be in a better position. At State Department, Hugh Cummings was called into the Secretary's office. Foster Dulles told him, this is my own feeling.

39:13 as between a territorial united Indonesia, which is leaning towards communism, and a breakup of that country into geographical units. I prefer the latter, because that's what they did everywhere. That's why they broke up Yugoslavia and all of these other places, is because if they break them up, they're easier to control as little units. Later Cummings was briefed in more detail.

39:39 Though he claims to have stopped them before they could broach the CIA operation, Cummings necessarily had knowledge of the plan because he was the State Department's intelligence chief. Indeed, we have seen that Foster Dulles discussed operational aspects with Cummings several times. The Far East Department expected the 5412 group's approval would bring cooperation throughout the government, but the Navy continued to drag its feet. Admiral Arleigh Burke,

40:09 The chief of naval operations simply did not press the matter within his service. Both Alan Dulles and Harder raised this with him in February. At about the same time, aerial reconnaissance disclosed Indonesia's site preparation for a bomber-sized airstrip on the island of Natuna Bazar, which was north of Sumatra. At the Pacific Command, Admiral Felix Stump

40:38 began to fear that Sukarno might allow Soviet bombers to use the facilities. Navy resistance suddenly melted away. Submarine shipments were expected to take three days, were quickly arranged. When the word of the armed shipments was sent to the American embassy in Jakarta, it embarrassed John Allison, who had continued to advocate accommodations with the Indonesian government of Sukarno.

41:08 Accounts differ on whether Allison asked for an immediate transport or was simply ordered out of the country. But John Foster sent Allison, a career diplomat, to Czechoslovakia because of his hesitation and not wanting to be involved in the overthrow of Sukarno. Allison had his moment while passing through Washington en route to Prague. He stopped for a debriefing at the CIA, where the intelligence officers listened carefully and very politely.

41:36 Afterward, as a senior CIA man conducted the ambassador to his car, the officer remarked, you should know that several of us here agree with your reports and recommendations from Chicago. I think you will be proved right in the end. Maintaining the secrecy of the operation became difficult as more and more people got involved. The CIA's plan was similar to the one they used in Guatemala because they like reusing the same plans over and over.

42:06 They plan to incorporate psychological operations into it. And it is not surprising that in another telephone conversation between the two brothers, the subject of the archipelago came up. In fact, the country was a topic of discussion at 14 of the 17 NSC meetings held between November 57 and March 58. Keeping discussions of it out of the NSC proved impossible.

42:34 In at least one instance, the NSC meeting on February 27th discussed at the council became a very thin line between what they were talking about in overt and covert operations. The notes on a phone call Foster made to Allen Dulles at 4.20 p.m. that afternoon are worth quoting. This is a quote from it.

43:00 The secretary said he does not know whether the talk this a.m. about the area should lead to greater activity. Allen said he is talking about it now. You reach a point where it is extremely difficult to do much more without showing your hand. The secretary thinks if it is going to work, we should take some risk in showing our hand. They agreed it is the last chance. The secretary mentioned buying stuff in the Philippines. Allen said the question of delivery is difficult.

43:30 We can get it in only the way we do it. Alan said that they were going to go ahead. We are ready to give them a bird as soon as they can eat it. We are pushing ahead as daringly as we can. It's a vigorous program and they are very happy with it and cooperate very well. The secretary just wanted him to know that he has the feeling we can't play it too safely here and we have to take some risks because it looks...

44:00 To him, as if it's the best chance we have, Allen is glad to hear it, unquote. At any rate, the U.S. government's plausible deniability had evaporated. While Washington-schemed in Indonesia events moved extraordinarily fast towards a climax, the popular attention

44:21 On the colonel, Sukarno revived a territorial dispute with the Netherlands, which had lain dormant for six years over the part of New Guinea, which was called West Irian. Sukarno then left the archipelago to travel. When Sukarno was in Japan, the colonels came into the open by sending him an emissary who presented an ultimatum to dismiss his cabinet and turn away from guided democracy.

44:52 The group of colonels had listed an acceptable list of cabinet ministers that they wanted Sukarno to appoint. The Indonesian leader refused, and on February 15th, they proclaimed a rebel government composed of representatives of Sumatra, Celebras, and Java, though it had been little rebel support on the last island.

45:19 This move was a signal for Wisner, who loved to be at the scene of action, to leave Singapore and come command the operation. In Singapore, the CIA station chief had been augmented for the project. The Navy also quietly moved two destroyers so that they could intervene to save Americans in Indonesia. The complete list of assets at Singapore

45:49 Along with the full extent of British and Australian collaboration, because they were both in on this as well, another prime base for Archipelago was the Philippines. Navy submarines left Subic Bay with supplies to reinforce the efforts. And there was a huge CIA compound on Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines. The agency enlisted.

46:14 the services of three to four hundred American, Filipino, and nationalist Chinese, i.e. Taiwan, to serve and fly a small fleet of transport aircraft modified by the Air Force for ground support missions. So they have a full-out Air Force made up of Taiwanese, Filipinos, and American mercenaries.

46:38 Meanwhile, the Indonesia government had begun to take strong measures against the rebels. The chief of staff dismissed six of the rebel colonels and more discharges were to follow. They declared a force that was necessary and a week later warships maneuvered off the coast to a stronghold of the Sumatran rebels.

47:03 There were radio stations along the way that were bombed and strafed by the government of Indonesia. The radios were put out of action immediately, which was a serious blow to the CIA's psychological warfare plans. John Foster Dulles made a concerted effort to prevent the American role in the rebellion from becoming public knowledge. In appearances before congressional testimony in March,

47:29 In the beginning of April, Dulles insisted that the U.S. was following a correct course in accordance with international law and that it was not intervening at all. At a press conference, he told reporters that the rebels was an internal matter and that the U.S. would not allow arms on either side while supplying arms to the rebels. Ten million dollars worth. The second week of March.

47:58 Government troops reinforced by drops from paratroopers made landings on the Sumatra coast. There were attacks along the way. Some rebel officers deserted. Rebel units changed sides. And Frank Wisner agonized in Singapore. The CIA did what it could to stiffen the resistance.

48:28 The original limitation of one agent team with the rebels was lifted. Two more had landed by submarines in April and May, but white faces were not enough. The rebels lacked morale. A guy by the name of Anthony Sapini, P-O-S-H-E-P-N-Y, landed with one of the teams and had already seen fierce action in Tibet.

48:58 and found the Indonesia fight quite tame, which is interesting because, remember, they trained the Tibetan stay-behind units in Colorado, and evidently they fought a lot more fiercer than the Indonesian guys. Another CIA paramilitary advisor recounted a distressing episode that was all too typical. The rebels were sent to recover weapons from a scheduled airdrop, and the rebels marked the drop zone.

49:26 and knew the plane's timing of arrival, but still ran away at the first sound of the aircraft engines. That's hilarious. A major mistake in the Indonesian plan was its reliance upon a rebel movement that was not at all cohesive or unified. The colonels were opposing central rule in Java, but one needed to go no further than their political program to realize that it was all for personal gain and no actual care for the country.

49:57 itself. The program envisioned a loose federation of regions along the archipelago, but just like in China with the warlords set up, it was very dicey. The same separatists exploited by the CIA to create the operation to begin with could not function as an effective alliance.

50:23 Difficulties were increased by the disbursement among the islands that precluded joint military operations. There were all kinds of different reasons why the rebels were even in the fight to begin with. So there was no cohesive unit behind any of this, which was very unlike what they had done, obviously, in Iraq or Iran in Guatemala, where you're dealing with, you know.

50:49 one group of people, one culture of people. That's not the case in Indonesia at all. Another significant problem was simply the disparity in means of the rebel forces. Sukarno had a navy, an air force, marines, and paratroopers. As former area commanders, the rebel colonels had their local forces, but nothing else, except of course what the CIA provided.

51:19 On April 8th, the Chicago Daily News printed a report detailing America airdrops into the rebels, triggering a flap in Washington. General Cabell was sent to Pearl Harbor to prevent future leaks, but security was preserved only because the press did not pick up the Daily News story. Because, of course, they didn't. They were paid not to. Still casting about for some means of strengthening the rebels, the Americans considered...

51:47 recognition of the rebels. Foster Dulles seemed to have favored this course, which was mentioned in one press conference and discussed with the president on April 15th. But Hugh Cummings' people assembled a paper that basically showed there was no way you could do that. Then came the battle of the rebels at Padang and their eventual defeat.

52:13 Allen Dulles gave his brother details in a lunchtime telephone conversation on April 17th. Foster remarked that the invasion had happened with far greater efficiency, speed, and precision than he had expected. Allen, who was not surprised at the defeat, warned, we have to be careful not to get too far out on a limb. A few days later, Allen Dulles told his brother.

52:39 he thought the defeat had surprised even the rebel leaders um when foster brought up the possibility of recognizing the sumatran state as a separatist state you know which they're famous for like katanga and panama allen advised waiting sure enough on april 28th the word was that the east is boiling the rebel capital of sumatra fell

53:09 on May 4th. With the end on Sumatra, the rebel capital was basically gone. The most conspicuous facet of the covert assistance to the rebels was the rebels' air force because they had no way of getting one except for the CIA. The Indonesian air force remained loyal to the Sukarno government.

53:38 which made it very difficult to explain all these other airplanes flying around. The first rebel raid was made in late March. About a dozen more occurred later. Targets included several cities in Indonesia. To include bombing an oil port, a British tanker was hit along with an Indonesian gunboat.

54:05 On both occasions, the ships were attacked out on open water and not in port. The danger of the American exposure was very high. On March 23rd, there was another flap in Washington when a U.S. Navy plane, which may have been on a reconnaissance mission, was shot up by the Indonesian Air Force. Catastrophe was avoided when the aircraft managed to land on a friendly base and the pilot cooperated with the appropriate cover story.

54:35 Later in the campaign, two of the rebel B-26 bombers were shot down, while the government claimed to have destroyed six more on the ground during raids. Through its own intelligence, the Indonesian government learned a fair amount about the air operations and used this information to discredit all other resistance. Air drops of weapons to the rebels were reported on several occasions, and the Australian Air Force was linked with the mission at least once.

55:02 The government accused American and Chinese, meaning Taiwan, of operating the rebel air force and later acknowledged it was sending a list to Washington identifying these individuals. In response, Eisenhower commented publicly for the first time. In his new news conference on April 30th, Eisenhower repeated the line that the U.S. was neutral in the struggle.

55:28 Now, on the other hand, every rebellion that I have ever heard of has its own soldiers of fortune. You know, like the CIA. The president felt he had done so well with the press that he called up John Foster Dulles afterwards to brag about it. Eisenhower called his secretary of state to brag about how well he propagandized the American people.

55:57 by lying to them john foster dallas followed up with the press the very next day saying the u.s had no legal obligation to control the activities of american soldiers of fortune except for the fact that the cia was actually in charge and paying them the soldier of fortune argument turned out to be disastrous on may 18th because actually there's u.s navy people in it they weren't social uh soldiers of fortune by the way the air the air

56:30 pilots were. On May 18th, one of the Rebel B-26 bomber raided Ambon, hitting a crowded village marketplace where people were on their way to church. The plane was hit over its intended target, an airfield, and the right wing caught on fire. The crew bailed out and were captured by the Indonesians. The bombardier was Indonesian, but the pilot was an American, Alan Lawrence Pope.

56:59 Within a day, Washington knew Pope had been captured. As Cabell confirmed for Foster Dulles, but CIA had a lot of confidence in the man. Pope had flown in Korea for this civil air transport, including 57 missions to Dinbinfu. He had been recruited for the Indonesian operation in Saigon. His first Indonesian mission took place in March 1958.

57:27 It was at this point on May 20th that John Foster stood before the press to say the Indonesian rebellion should be resolved without intrusion as he intruded. With the Americans, what the Americans did not know was that Sukarno could prove that Pope had an official relationship with the CIA. The CIA was certain that Pope could stand up to torture. The B-26 planes

57:56 had been sanitized to prevent being linked to the CIA, and the pilots had undergone strip searches before each mission to ensure they had no criminating evidence on them. But Pope concealed his papers on the aircraft. The Indonesians captured Air Force and Civil Air Transport identification cards, Pope's contract for the operation, plus a post-exchange privilege card from Pope.

58:25 from Clark Air Force Base. The papers in Pope were displayed for the world press in Jakarta on May 27th. Both the U.S. President and the Secretary of State had been caught openly lying to the American people. And I know my buddy Absolute 1776 used to love Eisenhower and I hope he's listening because I love him.

58:55 Anyway, this was the end for the archipelago. An officer that heard Alan Dulles explicitly use the phrase, we must disengage as the director of intelligence ordered a stand down for CIA field forces. Some of the paramilitary advisor teams had to make arduous jungle treks to coastal areas where they would be taken out by submarine. One British sub.

59:23 was even cited and attacked by the Indonesian government. The rebels' revolt was crushed, and by June 26, the government forces had won. The final result of the rebellion was to strengthen the hand of the central government on Java. In the words of historian Brian May, the American intervention was a gift to Soekarno. The archipelago catastrophe

59:52 strained relations with the British, the Australians, and the U.S., but no one at the CIA was even concerned. The CIA man who had made the original contact with the colonels was given his choice of a new post and took London. So he was promoted. A prime undercover agent went on to Algeria. Even Alan Pope

1:00:18 who was tried in December 1959 and sentenced to life in prison, would fly again for the CIA. The disaster did finally sap the strength of Frank Wisner. The chief went to London as the station chief to be replaced in Washington by Richard Bissell. Al Umer went to Paris as station chief. His place at the Far East Division was taken by Desmond Fitzgerald. And we're going to...

1:00:47 stop there. That's a logical place to stop. We've got just a little bit left of that chapter, and then we'll hit the next chapter on Monday. So rack up a failure. One of many, actually. But understanding what the goal of this was, they had to wait like another 10 years to pull this off.

1:01:16 But they eventually did pull it off. And the companies, Standard Oil and the mining companies did eventually get in there and steal the gold and oil. So they have endless supply of money and an endless supply of bodies that they don't give a shit about. So they won't give up when they're given a mission.

1:01:43 And the mission, because again, they have endless supply of bodies and money will eventually happen. So what else we got? Where did Bridget go? They didn't mention the gold. Huh? The ships of gold that were rerouted after Kennedy was shot. Johnson rerouted the ships of gold. We're not in the 60s yet. We're still in the 50s. Damn it. Okay. You're jumping ahead.

1:02:18 Well, I can't help it because out of everything, that's really kind of huge. Yeah, but that doesn't happen. They don't start mining the goal until after they secure Suharta's placement and the overthrow of Sukarno. And what... When you presented it, it sounded exactly as if he owned the Navy. Yeah. Well, but keep in mind,

1:02:55 the civilian head of each of the military branches are picked by the same international syndicate that selects the president, which selects the secretary of state. You know what I mean? And what's interesting about that 5-4-1-2 memo is what it says is technically, not that this is always true,

1:03:23 Technically, it is the military, the U.S. Air Force, the Navy, Marines and Army. They have to provide support to the CIA. They are not supposed to ever be part of the firepower package, but they have to provide logistical support. So all of those Marine comings and goings of picking people up and dropping people off, that's all Navy. That's not like CIA's own fleet of submarines.

1:03:53 They rely on the Navy and the Air Force to get them where they're going and to pick them up in times of crisis, which in many cases has meant dead military bodies, even supposedly because the military is not ever allowed to be operational. But they get themselves into these jams. And the only way to get out is by calling in air support, not air support, but air.

1:04:18 um rescue and it is those times when the military ends up dying for a cia operation gone bad so yes you're right they have um a lock on military support and that's the whole thing with the sf guys the green berets the deltas and all those guys so they end up in training bases and let's just say that they were using um

1:04:46 Singapore as a training base or Hong Kong or whatever in that area, even the Philippines, because we know they had a large CIA facility on Clark Air Base. So they would have the Delta SF guys training the assassins and the paramilitary people to go on those missions. And there has been people that have told me.

1:05:16 that they accompanied the people that they trained on those missions. So that's absolutely not supposed to happen by law, but they are supposed to support them. Carrie? Hi, Colonel. Hi. I was listening a couple days ago to a documentary on YouTube, and I posted it in the pill. I can't pronounce this first name.

1:05:52 H-J-A-L-M-A-R, Schacht, the banker who shaped Hitler's power. So the reason I'm bringing it up is because they mentioned after he got acquitted at Nuremberg that he went on down to Indonesia and helped those fellers out. He did? He was everywhere.

1:06:17 He went to Greece. He went everywhere. And he just so happened to be a lot of places where there were CIA coups going on. Just saying. Oh, I thought I uncovered something maybe you didn't know. No, I've read his book. Of course, you know everything. I don't know everything, but he had a book. His book, you can't, I couldn't find his book to physically buy it, but I read his book online. And he drug his family around with him as a cover.

1:06:47 To say basically he was like retired, but his wife and kids went everywhere with him. And that was one of the books that I lost when they deleted the accounts on archive.org. Yeah, he's a very interesting guy. But I think most of his book is a lie in a cover story way. Because there's lots of other books that implicate him as actually like the liaison.

1:07:17 of all of the Western money into Hitler, where he kind of kept his, the story we got sold after World War II is that, you know, basically Hitler didn't like him and that he was jailed and all of this other crap. But as it turns out, likely most of all of that was a cover because he was the Western conduit into

1:07:46 the money being piped into hitler and um many of the businesses uh for different um reasons in um nazi germany so yeah yeah i think there was something about in this documentary that the bushes didn't want um the u.s to be a part of world war ii which i was really confused about

1:08:14 Yeah, that's a lie. What was the date that he was in? Do you know the date he was in Indonesia? They didn't say that. Yeah, I don't have it off the top of my head. No, that's why I like having my books, because I write those notes down. SR-71? Was it 50s or 60s? I don't know, Carrie. That's what I'm telling you. I don't have that book. Sorry, I just wanted to know. That's okay. SR-71, go ahead.

1:09:11 Yes, he did. Because these people are naive. They may be a president of a country, but they're naive. And a lot of them believed that the...

1:09:26 releasing of an American that was sentenced to death would buy them goodwill. And yeah, they're dead ass wrong because the syndicate don't give a shit about any of us. Another dead body would have not even caused them to blink an eye. But most of these people who have a heart actually believed that there's somebody in American government that also has a heart.

1:09:56 but they're dead wrong. And that by doing something like that, which is a merciful, you know, cause the guy was basically attacking their country and should have been sentenced to death for overthrowing their, their government. And yeah, they think that doing a good deed will buy them some goodwill from a government that absolutely hates them. And again,

1:10:26 At this point, Sukarno has no idea about all of the oil and the gold that they're after because those were all discovered on a secret geological trip and kept under lock and key. So, all along.

1:11:12 you know, what year these events happened. And in my opinion, how these events happened are very significant. If we're trying to evaluate, you know, how much, say, the Indonesian government or Indonesian intelligence or even domestic knew at the time syndicate's activities and what the CIA was doing inside our own government. When, in my opinion, really matters. The other thing I guess, I guess maybe question.

1:11:53 relating to this guy, Ulmer. He is kind of a pretty interesting guy. And as far as what I know about, we haven't like triple checked this or anything, but in the book, Family of Secrets by Russ Baker, which I very, very strongly recommend to everyone. I'm not the biggest fan of, you know, Russ Baker's journalism career more recently, but I think that's a whole nother kettle of fish that relates to it.

1:12:31 what journalists are allowed to write about right now and so try to get i would say it's truly outstanding and a must read because when it goes it looks at the bush guy especially in this pivotal report in 1920s period we're kind of overlapping with you and uh war hamster we're discussing your ex amazing program again today which i would urge everyone to hear the three episodes of skull and bones or it's just full work truly amazing stuff

1:13:05 in that book kind of like where she was on down on november 22nd 1960 and she's like basically she's kind of at a hairdresser's one where she's writing a letter to i believe and talking about house in 19 so um again that suggests that you know only trust is based on this one reference but it's interesting that she said that about herself her husband h.w butch

1:13:59 and being in Greece in 1950, which was a very interesting place to be in 1950. But definitely that, I think, would require further corroboration from other sources. And again, it's significant that this is in the context of a possible alibi. Remember, 22nd, 1963, right? But even if it is an alibi, it still is making some interesting statements about the Olmers and the Bush family in Greece in 1950. But anyway, for what it's worth.

1:14:35 Greece is a very, very important in 1950. Yeah, because it was in the middle of its own coup. And the British had just been there supporting what ends up being the bad guys. And it also places Bush in the CIA, associating with CIA people much earlier than most people had before thought possible.

1:15:06 And since you brought it up, Omer is a very interesting guy. He is a Princeton grad, basically fits the paradigm of those going in the OSS. He joined the Navy, but ends up in the OSS. He also, after the OSS is disbanded, he joins the CIA.

1:15:36 He goes to Turkey, Egypt, Italy, and Austria. And, of course, we know Turkey and Italy and Austria during the time that he would have been there in the late 40s and early 50s were all part of Operation Gladio. And then, of course, we just mentioned his excursion over into Greece as well.

1:16:04 Very, very interesting. It also said that he spent some time in the Balkans and Hungary and Yugoslavia, which, again, is very interesting because they all ended up with stay behind units, too. So very, very interesting. Miles, go ahead. Colonel, how are you staying warm? I remember my dad said one of the coldest he's ever been is working at Cape Canaveral in the winter.

1:16:40 Your dad is a jokester. Pardon me? Your dad's a jokester. Well, he was outside. He wasn't working inside. I don't care. I've been in 60 below degrees in Illinois. There's nothing in Florida that compares. But anyway, go ahead. Well, I live in Minneapolis, so I don't know if he was joking.

1:17:07 Yeah, we ended our show today with We Didn't Start the Fire. Yeah. That's kind of interesting that that song's been around for so long. And now we look at it completely different, don't we? So did you see the video that I reposted of Absolute 1776? Say again? Did you see the video that I posted that Absolute 1776 made of that song?

1:17:39 I know who you're speaking of. I'll have to go watch that again. There's so much stuff that's coming out. So many people are doing stuff. He did this two years ago. It was one of the very first videos I ever saw that he made. And I remember commenting on it. But he sent it to me yesterday after I posted that song as a reminder that he had done it because he's a professional.

1:18:06 um video guy um he used to work in hollywood he his talent is unsurpassed and i i i since yesterday i've watched it five times and um i know because he's now become a very good friend of mine um that i can actually say this to him um because what i started noticing and my husband said last night is like is is that in actual order um the song

1:18:36 The song actually brings you through all of the Operation Gladio shit. So I started again, I've listened to it since then five times and I keep pausing it about what it is that he's saying. And what I noticed that Absolute did was when it talks about the China's martial law, they're not talking about.

1:19:06 mainland China. They're talking about Taiwan. And because that's a mistake we would all make, right? Because they use those interchangeably to screw us up. And so his video has the tanks in Tiananmen Square of the person standing in front of the tank. And I told him, I texted him earlier today and I said, you know, I think I've got an error. I said,

1:19:35 the martial law was what shanghai shek implemented and the timing in the song indicates to me it is um taiwan shanghai shek not mainland china um and of course he took it in the spirit in which it was meant um but his his comment to me was isn't it weird that he

1:19:59 not only portrayed them chronologically in order in that song, but he made them all rhyme. It's just phenomenal. Did Billy Joel write the song? Yes, yes. Oh, okay. I wasn't familiar. According to him, according to Abs. And Abs has actually met him several times, so yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I'm getting more people on board with Greenland Server Farms.

1:20:27 I'm glad you've been talking about it. CanCon keeps bringing it up. Because I told him. Well, okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. But, you know, we'll find out. We'll find out a lot of stuff pretty soon. Yeah. Moneypenny, go ahead. Hi there. So after yesterday, I was really intrigued. I think I mentioned the Spycatcher book briefly.

1:20:52 And you started off today particularly talking about the Egyptian President Nasser. And this is about 1956 with the Suez Crisis. Now, as I was speaking with ChatGPT, because obviously I was feeding your questions to your guests into ChatGPT to get answers, it came up with some really interesting stuff that it said the reason that legal action was taken by the British to stop the spy capture.

1:21:21 um book being published um even though the americans were quite happy for it to be published was all about the assassination plot to take out egyptian president gamal abdul nasa and everything that happened around it and the tension between basically there was england and france and then there was the united states and then you've got israel and this is the question that i'm coming to

1:21:46 um that were in different allied sort of partnerships to what they are today by quite a long way um that this book and the tension and the assassination plot and the suez canal whole crisis in 56 may in my thoughts so far and this is where i want answers may be responsible for the whole of the situation around israel gaza and everything we are currently struggling with and this bizarre

1:22:13 betrothed and committal of the united states to israel which nobody understands just nobody even though it infiltrates pervasively through every dollar and every leverage and every rockefeller and every rubinstein and everything did it all start about 56 when this assassination plot uh was taking place and is that why the british were trying to block

1:22:39 spycatcher because if i just read you one paragraph right to explain i asked um specifically what specifically was in spycatcher that maybe never got out into the media that was blocked in court that was agreed out of court by the americans and the british that they would not allow to be put into general knowledge

1:23:06 because that's what I wanted to know because I just thought what was so explosive in that book and surely it had been in the papers so this is what it said

1:23:14 The alleged MI6 plot to assassinate Egyptian president blah blah blah was a subject of intriguing speculation. While spy capture, the memoir by former MI5 officer Peter Wright, mentions the existence of a plot, it doesn't provide detailed information. Most people thought it would be poisoning via medical channels, although the CIA believed that NASA's inner circle may have been infiltrated by a Russian and a British journalist, James Mossman, who was covertly working with MI6.

1:23:43 was reportedly tasked with delivering £20,000 worth intended to bribe NASA's personal position to carry out a poisoning under the radar. And it says when the CIA found out about this, they said they couldn't condone it, but wouldn't stop it. And then when Anthony Eden, British Prime Minister at the time, said that he really needed NASA out and tried to challenge it.

1:24:09 A retired CIA operative with direct knowledge of the period recalled that the agency was aware of British discussions about eliminating NASA, but noted that the plans were so fraught with misinterpretations and lacked precise directives that the United States would not step in. And all of this basically led to the Suez Crisis.

1:24:32 And then, bizarrely, Nasser's son appears. I didn't realise this, or grandson. Do you know about this? His son or grandson appears in this, like, senior position, which would never have happened if he'd have been killed because he wouldn't have had this son. It's like time travel. But did it cause everything that happened subsequently with Israel? I'd love to get people's opinion who know more about it than me. Because Britain, France and Israel were together on this. Britain, France and Israel at the time...

1:25:01 were pretty much and Israel at that time had pretty good relations with everybody and the Suez Canal was a big momentous change in all of that. Well, that's probably an entire show worth of conversation because there's a lot involved in that. Did the CIA know what the British were planning to do to NASA?

1:25:33 Nasser being the Egyptian thing, not the space thing, and why, and what their ramifications would be of it. So the CIA, in at least two books that I've read, absolutely knew, because they wanted to help. The U.S. didn't want Nasser in it either, right? So they ultimately do their own, not unlike Iran.

1:26:01 They're kind of at this point, I'm going to say something that's probably, it's an opinion of mine based on all of I've done. While there's some, what's the right word? Not chivalry, but there's some one-ups-men among MI6. I think...

1:26:32 the relationship of the intelligence agencies if i could use an analogy would be mi6 is the dad and all of the rest of the post-world war ii intelligence agencies are sons and sometimes the son tries to outdo the dad and sometimes the sons among themselves have a competition um

1:27:00 But at the end of the day, there's always been a begrudging respect for MI6 as the elder in the relationship. That doesn't mean that they don't do shenanigans against the dad, much like a son would as well. But if I could use that as an analogy, they're never actually on.

1:27:30 opposite sides of a coin. They're always on the same side. They have different competitive reasons for wanting to go about things different ways. But just as we saw in Iran, they always come and bail the other one out, right? So if in that case, the British failed to overthrow Mossadegh when they tried a couple of times,

1:28:00 The U.S. stepped in and did it for them because there's ultimately when the U.S. stepped in and helped, Standard Oil got a cut of the profits at that point, which they would not have had the CIA not done it. And that's another reason why you know unequivocally that the CIA does not work for the United States, because the cut of the profit of the CIA going in and overthrowing Mosaday didn't go to the United States taxpayer into the Treasury.

1:28:30 It went to Standard Oil because that's who they actually work for. So in the case of Egypt, you know that Otto Skorzeny took a mission for Mossad to get rid of the Nazi scientists that had been placed in Egypt that was trying to get them parity with Israel.

1:28:58 and their support from France, the U.S., and London on armaments against their Middle East competitors. So Egypt felt like they needed help, and there were actually Nazi scientists in Egypt helping them develop their technology militarily. And Otto Skorzeny, being a Nazi as well, was hired.

1:29:27 by Israel to go into Egypt and get rid of those scientists. So the adage that there's no honor among thieves is very, very true. He worked for whoever to do whatever. He wasn't loyal to any one government. He was basically like a pirate. He was hired to do a job and he went and did the job.

1:29:58 It would be hard to pinpoint when, but you can go back because prior to this period of time, no one in America during the actual beginnings of the state of Israel was interested in providing Israel military aid at all. It's not that they didn't care about the thought of

1:30:27 their being in Israel or all that other stuff. The U.S. just was not having any of that as far as it being their responsibility to ensure that that was a success. They saw that exclusively prior to this time as a mission that had been given to the Brits and that the Brits were responsible for it. And I read a couple of different things a while back about the fact that there was a lot of

1:30:55 disgruntled americans because of them being given the mission in the league of nations and then you know basically having to come back and um reiterate at the end of world war ii when nothing had been set up that you know hey we got to go back um and actually do something because a lot of people originally thought that

1:31:19 Jordan was going to be the land because that was trans Jordan at the time was going to be the land for the Palestinians. And then that Egypt was going or that Palestine was going to be the land where the Rothschild state of Israel got set up. And they ended up with Jordan like their own country and having nothing to do with the Palestinians that were being displaced.

1:31:47 you know we all know the rest of the story but um that that's crazy um and can we do a show at some point on the whole israel penetration pervasively of the united states and going forward into today as to how that leverage relationship between the two of them was created initially because i'd be fascinated on that um i'll talk to you about that offline okay it's not a mystery

1:32:18 People wonder why Israel has so much leverage inside the United States. And I think the primary hypothesis that I've read that's been postulated is interference inside the political arena using force. OK, new American. Hold on a second. We've got hands up and we kind of go by hand. So hold on just a second. Bridget, go ahead. OK, because I noticed the pill's not working again today. Yeah, it's not working at all. All along. Go ahead.

1:33:11 relating to the role of Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia in the Suez Prize in 1956. I agree, it's worth a lot of analysis. And what I think is sometimes not brought into play here is the U.S. attitude towards Egypt and Saudi Arabia and also U.S. oil companies.

1:33:43 attitude towards Egypt and how that in turn changed following this U.S. crisis and put perhaps Israel in a different strategic position and perhaps resolve some of the conflict that you suggest, and I think correctly from what I understand, about the division about, you know, should the U.S. really be that pro-Israel? As you said, it was considered more of a British thing and potentially a serious liability, and it was.

1:34:15 within parts of the State Department. So I think that the fundamental thing that is rarely brought up is rail interests, in particular, a rail proceed to Egypt, right? Because they're a very populated country, right? And NASA's whole stick was Pan-Arabism. But Egypt did not have a lot of oil. Saudi Arabia is just the opposite. So the whole idea of Pan-Arabism, again, emphasizing what we know, that these boundaries were drawn by...

1:34:58 Outsiders, they were not drawn by Dr. Steve as a threat to U.S. oil interest in Saudi Arabia, you know, the biggest oil producer in the world. Four of the original Arab companies that made Iran pro-women united as Iran companies, right? So the CIA definitely saw Nasser as threat number one in the region with this idea of Spanish Arabism. And so what we see in 1956...

1:35:42 What we see in 1956 is it can be useful in many ways because the U.S. doesn't want to seem like they're another England and France, right? And so by saying to England and France, no, Eisenhower turned that down, that didn't look good. But another part of that might be just who, yes, we want to get rid of Nassar, and maybe Britain does too, but on whose terms and on how is that going to affect the international oil markets in terms of U.S.?

1:36:16 But the U.S. had a dominant position in Saudi Arabia. I don't know what happened to him. I think we lost him. I think the important part of it. Are you there? Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. I think I get. Well, I think all along, I think that. It's like they can now. Now that he has no longer that there can be a greater influence of interest between Saudi policy.

1:36:56 CIA Saudi policy and CIA Israel policy. It's not possible before they got rid of Nasser on their terms. And by the way, JFK is intimately connected to this because he differed very strongly on Nasser from CIA. Yeah. And so I think the important part of this whole thing is the Suez Canal. If you look at the trillions of dollars worth of the British, so, and this actually,

1:37:26 kind of connects with what we're what we're seeing in Syria right now. So you remember when we were talking about Syria and the fact that Assad went to meet with the queen and basically they wanted that pipeline through Syria and Assad was fine with the pipeline. He wasn't fine with occupation forces. So he has watched over the decades

1:37:53 of what happens in countries in the Arabian Peninsula that comes with occupation forces. They lose their sovereignty. And that's what happened in Egypt when the Suez Canal was basically the occupation force of the British soldiers. And when Nasser said, hey, you know, we've got it. We can protect the Suez Canal. We've got a decent military. We don't need you in our country anymore. The Brits didn't want to leave.

1:38:21 They finally get told they're going to leave. And from that point on, there was a, you know, a red X on Nasser because you're not allowed to tell him to leave. Now, you've got Assad sitting over here and he's watching all of this. You've got the Morocco king that's basically under the thumb of the Brits. You've got the Jordanian king that's under the thumb. And then you've got the Saudis that are in bed with the Americans and there's forces all over Saudi.

1:38:50 And the same thing with Iraq and then, you know, what we were doing with Iran and with the Shah back in the day. They're like, yeah, no, I don't want all of those foreign forces. So I'll let you build that pipeline, but you're not going to have any of your military protecting it in my country. I can protect stuff in my country. And I think that's kind of where all of this ends up being.

1:39:20 that's still relevant today, because you can see that Nasser was correct in saying that if you allow the West to occupy your territory, you lose your sovereignty, and you do, because they will plot and manipulate and infiltrate your services, just like you were alluding with, whether it's the...

1:39:44 the physician that's going to be on the take and poison them or whatever. And they do that everywhere so they can control shit. And so Assad was one of the last guys standing that said, your military is not going to come in my country and you're not going to create an occupation force that you will use to overtake my country. And of course, you know, they had him hit the sights on him from that point forward. Carrie, go ahead.

1:40:16 Hey, Colonel. I just wanted to say that I looked it up and he was there in 51. Also, he met with Mossadegh, 52. And he kind of, it looks like he kind of established Bahamas. He had a bank. I'm talking about Shack. Yeah, I know. How do you say it? Slack. Shack? Slack. What? It's like Slack.

1:40:45 Is the way I've heard people pronounce it. S-C-H-A-C-H-T is what? Thanks, guys. Sorry. Yeah, he seems to have been a precursor to bad things. Like, he would go to a country and curse it. Where'd that other guy go? American? Yeah, kind of like that. All along? Okay.

1:41:24 Just on Hallmark, he is definitely a key figure in an absolutely amazing book called Who in Dallas? Which is a coffee book that really is so relevant to everything that we've been talking about here. Yeah, I've read it. Yeah, and so Flax is definitely a key figure in that book and connects with the love of humanity. The other thing I just wanted to reiterate that Egypt and Saudi Arabia was not...

1:42:06 It was about geography, but it was also about just blatantly who the hell is getting the oil money and how it would be divided, whether it would be pan-Arabists like all they share in that or just Saudi Arabia and the Rockefellers. That's a huge variable. Yeah. And, you know, it goes back to the old adage about the whole. All of these empires were based on maritime.

1:42:36 and the discovery of these things, which is, you know, kind of how they one-ups to each other. You know, I've got this territory over here. I've got this territory over here. And then they would squabble among themselves like the Spanish-American War. The peasantry didn't fare any better under one than they did the other because we saw what we did in the Philippines. We saw what we did in Cuba.

1:43:02 We saw what we did in Puerto Rico. The people were never actually given their freedom. So it's kind of just a very interesting changing of the guard without a lot of substantive changes at the end of the day for the people involved. So anyway. All right. Anybody else? Seconds. All right. Well, we're going to call it a day.

1:43:37 You guys have a great weekend, and we will be back on Monday, same place, same time. And don't forget, everybody, next Friday, we are in space with Ms. Williams, which we're so excited about. Last one was awesome. I just listened to it for the second time today. Yesterday, I didn't really. Yeah, and we didn't talk too much about that today, which I kind of am surprised about.

1:44:12 He had lots of like revelations as far as I'm concerned. I had no idea he had worked with the FBI and all of his different life's adventures. And I did. I had my notebook with me today. So, and you know.

1:44:39 I don't know. I'm sure you caught it, Bridget. I don't know if everybody would have caught it. But I did like the way he when I asked him specifically about the his impression of the use, because, you know, I think he's given this talk so many times about his research that.

1:45:08 when he got to the part about Italy and the Communist Party and the threat, and when I mentioned to him that I wasn't at all convinced that that was actually an accurate depiction, that while I believed it initially, the rest of my research made me circle back to that point and do a little bit more.

1:45:35 diving in and that's when you find that the fact that the soviet union was decimated and they're they're not going to overtake europe um they're not going to overtake europe for you know unless it's a nuclear threat type thing and then of course as he points out we sold the technology to him um blah blah blah or snuck it to him whatever um but i don't know if you caught it when he said yeah i've had to revisit that the last couple of years

1:46:05 Absolutely. And the neat thing was, when you started asking him questions, informed questions, interacting with, well, okay, I like this, but this is what I saw, and these are other things that I saw. He broke out of that pre-planned speech. Yes. And he was enjoying himself. Yes, he was. That's been fun, you know? Yes. And I do think...

1:46:49 Just as I do, like when I talk to you guys, I'm genuinely enthralled with other people's knowledge about whatever the subject is that they're knowledgeable about. And being able to talk to other people.

1:47:09 um about something obviously that he has been passionately involved in because that's not something that you know you can talk to your neighbor about because your neighbor's not going to have that same passion or understanding about that topic so when you do find those people um you um you very much enjoy um not just checking out because i've got some

1:47:36 theories about some aspects of this that someone like a Paul Williams can be a sounding board. And because he knows more about most of the topics than I do, could point to scholarly limitations or things you may want to flush out a little bit more about a hypothesis of why things are happening the way they

1:48:05 Or if these two things are related or whatever. But finding those people is very difficult. Once you've gotten to the place where we're all, I mean, and I know you guys haven't read all of the books, but most of you are very up to date on different aspects of this. And so.

1:48:28 Having those people, and again, that's the reason why I wanted to move it to X, so that we can have these interactions with each other. Because you guys live all over the world in many cases. And you have experienced things from a completely different angle. You read different news. And so I think collectively it just makes us all a whole lot smarter. SR71? One of the things with Paul, you get people together and, oh, magic happens. That's it.

1:49:37 That's a good question. Yeah, I mean, obviously, he said Marcinkus shut the door in his face. That's a good question. Right? Yeah.

1:49:58 That's a good question, because I think you'd have to take that with the I don't you guys have not. I don't know how many of you've read any of Doug Valentine stuff, but he was given unprecedented access to CIA agents while they were still CIA agents. And even some of those and some of the ones that were retired would not talk to him. But.

1:50:27 enough of them would for him to be able to, you know, obviously write his Phoenix program book and several others about the CIA. And so I should ask him if he's read any of Doug Valentine's books. That's a good point, SR71. And to find out what his professional take is on people that are given access, because I have some suspicions about that. That's a very good point.

1:50:56 uh carrie yeah i just wanted to reflect on that too it's um it's taking me time to digest a lot of it it was very rich but um yeah i was when um he was saying some things that were wrong i was like oh my god is going to correct him oh my god oh my god and you came through like so amazing great great great job so hard i'm sure

1:51:27 And the other thing I wanted to know about him was how do you think it's possible? Like he was saying he was published through Doubleday. How do you think that's possible? Because a lot of that happened before he published Operation Gladio. He was making that point about the fact that he used to be on Fox News and CNN and all that other stuff. Once he published Operation Gladio, a lot of that stopped. He couldn't teach at Catholic schools anymore because he outed the Vatican Bank.

1:51:57 That didn't. Was it Doubleday? I don't know. I'll look. What did I just do with it? I had it right here. Where the hell is it? It was sitting right here. I don't know. I'll look. What the hell? You have a lot of books. Well, I have the books I haven't read. Let's see. There's 5, 10, 12 sitting right here on my desk.

1:52:36 But I brought in from my cottage to do the show yesterday, Cynthia Chung's book and his book. So I had them handy. I just had it in my freaking hand. I'm losing my mind. Maverick. The only.

1:52:58 The only time the dogs are allowed in this room is to be put in their cage at night in bed. So yeah, it's not Maverick. It's me. It's all me. I'd like to blame Maverick, but I can't. What the hell? I don't know. I'm losing my mind. There's Cynthia's book. So where's that book? What are you looking for? Paul Williams' book. Who published it?

1:53:26 prometheus i think y'all i bought y'all once right or did y'all buy them i bought it okay yes prometheus okay there you go so again not a mainstream publisher because he kind of pissed them you know and and i think honestly a lot of them um if the cia tells them not to publish something they're not going to publish it because they're all in bed together so that's the answer for all of you people that um

1:54:04 think that I need to write a book. I'm not writing a book because I'm not fighting with those bastards to get it published. And I'm not self-publishing. They don't pay me enough for that. Tucker Carlson is publishing books now. Just saying. Yeah, well, he's also interviewing Felix Rodriguez. Maybe Trump will come out with a new publishing company. We're entering into a totally new phase. I believe this is the ability to be a time we've never seen before.

1:54:34 I agree. I'm still not writing a book. All right. Don't bend a knee. That's a new one. Hey, Colonel, let me come up. And you may have already spoken this. I apologize because I never get to hear your whole space. I usually go back and listen to recordings. But speaking of Tucker Carlson, that was one of my questions. Did you watch the video of that CIA prophet?

1:55:07 that he had on there. And what did you think of that video if you did watch it? Which CIA propagandist? I can't remember the name. Former CIA agent. He was basically poo-pooing everything that we believed and saying, no, that would not happen.

1:55:26 the CIA that he worked in. They wouldn't do anything nefarious. So I have not watched, I saw a preview of one more recent. I watched the Felix Rodriguez and I watched the woman that had been the CIA agent. But those are the only, Felix Rodriguez was the CIA too. I've not watched the most recent one because I think he's had another one on since the woman. So they, he first had Felix Rodriguez on.

1:55:54 which was an actual Cuban exile assassin. And then they had the woman on, and she actually was probably the most honest of any of them. There was a couple of things I questioned, but she was definitely the most honest. And then the most recent one, I just saw the preview, but I have not watched it. I had it bookmarked. What was your opinion? He was just propagandaizing for the CIA. He would say no.

1:56:43 Well, that's very interesting. I need to know, I need to make sure that this, Cousinet, I saw you raised your hand. Do you know who it is? Yeah, actually, I texted it to y'all a couple days ago.

1:56:58 okay and i watched it and he is absolutely full of crap um it was it was really kind of funny too because he never came out with exactly a straight answer it was always the obfuscating and the running around and he doesn't know and that wasn't in his wheelhouse but it's funny because of course he was in all of the stations that have

1:57:27 Right now, blowing up all over the world. So, you know, of course he knew. One of the very telling things too, which I just had to kind of chuckle because we all know this, is that he was at all the embassies, stationed at the embassies. So, you know, obviously they're still doing it. They're not just putting them in as teachers or professors or, you know, arts.

1:57:56 students or whatever the hell you know they are still actively infiltrating the embassies and working out of those um so i did find that interesting but yes i did send it and unfortunately i think it was like brandon something maybe i can't remember okay i'll go find them um and i guess i'll have to do one of mine like i did the felix rodriguez one bernard hudson

1:58:29 Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I knew I posted it somewhere. I just couldn't remember. See, I was pretty close. Bernard, you know. All right. Tomato, tomato. Benjamin? If it's me coming in broken up or if it was you, Colonel, I did hear my name, though. I apologize. I wish I could be here more often for your spaces at four.

1:58:59 That's right in the middle of me picking up my circus with twins and everything. One thing that I thought was very interesting about today's time is we're trying to figure out who the bad actors are, who are the innocent people, bystanders caught in the middle of it. Because when I look at Twitter and all of what's going on, it's kind of like the phone game. It's a bunch of people passing messages and things like that.

1:59:29 to show that you're making an impact colonel and i saw the comments from uh the sean ryan show one of his producers reached out to you you know he was worried about your followers and what they believed in and stuff and that's why i i brought up that you know we're trying to figure out who the bad actors are like with with sean ryan and i consider him someone that i'm still trying to analyze and figure out but that female cia agent like that's one that got me

1:59:57 It spun me up, and here's the reason why. Because all the stuff that Colonel and all you ladies have uncovered about the operations that the CIA has ran since World War II at a minimum, this lady gets out there and starts telling people the CIA is trustworthy, we don't do things like that. And it's like, no, just that simple fact alone tells me that you're not one of the good guys.

2:00:23 We need transparency. Like, hey, yeah, we did a lot of bad stuff. It wasn't me. You know, like we're trying to figure it out. But that's something that stood out with her. She's also attached to Benghazi. I absolutely believe that she got called into England so they could brief her on, you know, the spin of how they were going to spin Benghazi and what happened there. Yeah. So obviously one of the patterns that emerges.

2:00:53 Is these people like we saw with Alan Dulles, they're conveniently out. Right. So if they want to pretend like nothing's going to go off, they'll go on vacation or whatever. And then that's when the operation and they're like, no, I don't know anything about it. If I obviously if I knew something about it, I would have never went on vacation. And so these.

2:01:20 people that they don't want associated with whatever it is they're going to do that would have been like hey you need to go to this meeting so that you're not on station when this goes down because we're going to use you for an operation later because she was actually an employee of the CIA unlike the Chris Pronto and all of those other people they were contractors they don't care if they die or not

2:01:49 And so, yeah, very, very suspicious that she just happened to be off station. Very, very suspicious. All along. Yeah, very quickly. Your comment about publishing is. We lost you. All right. All along, I'll drop you down and bring you.

2:02:22 Tim, go ahead. Yeah, the whole space on my side is starting to get very static since we started talking about the CIA. Yeah, you're very static every time you talk. Tim, go ahead. The biggest takeaway from last night was, to me, was the CIA's involvement in the heroin trade. And they kind of introduced it. And I'm wondering...

2:02:52 if the D-class that are coming, if they could use that as an introduction. I don't think the general public's ready for everything yet, but could you imagine, especially in the midst of the drug epidemic, the fentanyl and the, you know, fentanyl was a progression from the heroin trade, and the heroin trade had to get strong enough to support the fentanyl. But when the public ties the...

2:03:22 the drug epidemic to the cia that could be very very profound yeah and it definitely is tied to the cia and it's tied to taiwan not china and you know it sounds like you know the receipts are there oh my god there are so many receipts it's not even funny um there's been so much again his book is just one of probably 20

2:03:53 That deals with Chiang Kai-shek and Paul Helliwell and them setting up that entire covert operation to use drugs, drugs to play for Operation Gladio. Yeah, that's in that's in Daniel Ganser's book. That's in several books about how that whole thing. As a matter of fact, I mean, the World Anti-Communist League book that we went over on Alpha Warriors program. A lot of it. Yeah.

2:04:23 The receipts are definitely there. The potential, I believe the potential for civil unrest when this information comes out is high. There's a lot of people affected by the drug epidemic. Yeah. I can't believe that it's not come out already. There's nothing to lose to saying what happened, how it happened, and when it happened.

2:04:56 That's why I volunteer to do it for free. Well, we really appreciate your effort. I'm telling you, I'm having, you know, I wish the Gladio glasses will make you, it really makes you challenge your reality. It does. And so it's kind of unnerving at times, but you know, I think we're entering and Trump's got a lot to do. Unnerving. I mean, it's like being in the twilight zone most days.

2:05:27 Yeah, I feel like I'm living a Twilight Zone episode like for the last two years. The other point, when you mentioned the Carlisle Black Rock State Street and all that, that's the ultimate beneficiary of all their BS. And that's another kind of like D-class they could point out. Yeah. Anyway, Carl, thank you for your time. Thank you. Bridget, go ahead.

2:06:01 I'm just agreeing with everything that you said, Tim. And I think that if they start rolling it out slowly, because if they start to declassify, the difference is no one in the mainstream media, in the television, reported on it. Because people don't know. Because they test us too busy, too swamped, too in-depth to be able to come out and learn what our real history is.

2:06:51 Yeah. Yeah.

2:07:12 is the right answer because once they realized vietnam had nothing to do with freedom you know if i could get one one tag in you know if trump didn't do anything else he showed america the fake news you know and it started off as like a life talk early but you know if you think the news is bad wait you know wait till we get to the fake history yeah amen mike go ahead

2:07:47 Well, I'm letting the new people go because we're already over time. So go ahead. Okay. No, that's okay. Take your time. Go ahead.

2:08:53 They're using to smuggle everything into all these different, excuse me, areas of the country. And then, um, interesting in the last few days was I mentioned earlier in the, um, two days, how to have to think about it. It's Sean Bryant personalities that regardless of what your feelings are about him, I think he is dancing around the gladiator conversation and not even really realizing it. I don't think he's a bad act. He's just, it's like, uh, expresses himself on his podcast, but I will agree with you guys that, uh, Sarah, uh,

2:09:46 i think that if i'm trying to figure out whether she is a bad actor whether she is just somebody who she's very glued in on one specific very like very small in the cia as far as like tracking the money for specific groups and she's just kind of burying her head in the sand as far as like quote unquote conspiracy theories that um may tarnish the cia's reputation so like i like i think it's i think you guys are like you guys are

2:10:15 accurate and that she's just kind of like a disinformation actor. There's also a possibility that she's just naively ignorant and errant. And that's all I have to add. So my, that, that's, I'm going to, I'm going to write that down. That's probably one of the best classic lines I've ever heard. And so I am not quick to judge anybody. I would have given you ignorance, right?

2:10:47 i would have given you ignorance um because i was ignorant i spent 30 years in the military completely ignorant of any of this but what i won't give you even an inch on is going through her timeline and every single talking point whether it's um the somebody had commented that um

2:11:13 the you know after 9-11 security state and she's like you can't complain about being scanned at the airport it's for your own safety yeah as the illegals are walking right past you where we don't even know who those people are right so you you move from naive ignorance into complicity

2:11:38 When you say that the CIA has never done anything wrong and that they're not corrupt, when everybody at this point knows about MKUltra, everybody knows at this point about Mockingbird, everybody understands about Paperclip, everybody understands that the CIA has done some really shitty things so that you cannot say that they do nothing corrupt because they absolutely do. And oh, by the way,

2:12:08 Since I've studied this for the last two years, about 12 hours a day, I provided some concrete corrupt things they did that was even contrary to president's direction. And her response to me was block me. So she can't have a philosophical conversation about.

2:12:32 oh, well, you know, this fact you got wrong or OK, I'll give you that. And this fact over here, you got wrong. None of that. So for someone like myself, who I don't think I have all of the answers, by the way, when someone brings something to my attention that I'm genuinely wrong about, I will research my ass off to make sure that I don't make that mistake again, because I don't like being wrong, number one.

2:13:00 i feel like i do a lot of research um to make sure that doesn't happen but it does happen because we're all human um so you said and i i think that ultimately it's just if you're if you're going to take any information from her as a person it has to be very very specific to a very specific topic and anything else that comes from her like i get the cia's operations it's just like well take isaac yeah so her main point is blaming isis for everything right so yeah that's

2:13:37 OK, so we've unequivocally proven that ISIS was funded, trained and created by the CIA. I have pictures, we've all seen them, of John McCain with the head of ISIS in Syria, by the way.

2:13:56 And we all know that John McCain was head of the International Republican Institute for 25 years. He was given on average $75 million a year budget to go do regime change along with the National Endowment for Democracy. And there's a slush fund also.

2:14:19 set aside with taxpayer dollars for Union International Institute, something, something. And the chamber has one and the Democrat Party has one. And that was there in exchange for giving the CIA a front called the National Endowment for Democracy. Reagan also, the negotiation with the Senate was, we'll give the Republican one, the Democrats one, the Union one, and the chamber one. So everybody has a slush fund for regime change. And you can go on their page. They're very proud of it.

2:14:48 They have listed every country that they've spent that money in to do quote unquote democracy. So one of the countries that the IRI under McCain, most of us saw those pictures and thought McCain was there on behalf of, you know, like his job as a Senate member. He was not there as a Senator. He was there giving them money as the chairman of the IRI. And no one ever talks about that.

2:15:22 Exactly. So when you know those things because of the research that you've done and you have someone tell me that the CIA is not corrupt. Yeah, I'm not there. And I will agree with you on Sean Ryan. I don't watch him. I've watched clips of his show. The I don't have an honest take on him.

2:15:47 Having been a CIA contractor, obviously he's not as invested as... Actually, I would tell you that I doubt very seriously, if you look at Sarah's duty history, that she's still not currently a CIA agent. Yeah, so the current job that she supposedly has is with a quote-unquote NGO, which we know how they use NGOs as a front, and she's coordinating action in Ukraine.

2:16:14 I would venture to bet if I had the money and wanted to make a bet on it, that she is still currently employed by the CIA. And that's why it rubs her the wrong way if you criticize the CIA. Because, you know, I can talk all day about the military. If you want to bring an honest complaint about the military, I loved the Air Force. I love being in the military. I love the service. I love the friends that I made. But I am not going to defend a corrupt institution, even though I was part of it for 30 years.

2:16:44 So there's just something very odd about that. Yeah, and the last bit of this conversation is that one of the reasons why I do, I won't say trust, but is that just between us girls here on this conversation, I don't think Sean Ryan is really all that bright. If you do watch quite a bit of his content. Sure, no, Mike, I'm glad you came up. Thanks for being here. Carrie, go ahead. Hey, I just wanted to say even infants.

2:17:29 self-critique so that they learn from their mistakes um also there were two opium wars that the british conducted uh long ago the boxer wars yeah the boxers uh with french and and the british um and uh their main goal was killing the people kill them dead well i don't know that that was their main goal their main goal was to make money

2:17:57 um and they didn't care if people died um so yeah oh my take on it is that they were trying to take over china and they thought yeah but drugging people yeah well there's a difference between your main goal being killing them and subduing them to the point where they don't care um because that's what they're doing here with us in a very slow methodic way with big pharma

2:18:22 They're just dumbing us down with the vaccines and everything else. So their goal isn't necessarily to kill us. They like us paying taxes to them. And the same thing with the Chinese. They like the money that selling the opium to the Chinese generated for them. They didn't care. They're in the trading business. They don't care what they trade. Eventually.

2:18:48 you know, the more opium-induced people you have, the easier it is to overtake the country. So they're not necessarily diabolically different. Well, I think there is, you know, eugenicists that really, they love killing people. Like, they really do. Right. Hold on just a second. Somebody just opened the front door. Go ahead, all along.

2:19:20 Yeah, you know, three and a half people, sorry, three and a half that were News America. And what happened, Gary Webb released the information about the crack cocaine epidemic and the CIA and its connections to Iran-Contra. And just how really pissed off SMC got, you know, hit the public from a new, they're immediately responsive to. And it's probably today that would be handled differently. But the CIA actually sent.

2:20:07 one of their top dudes out there on to do a nightline interview on it and that went famously um zanily and but um so i think i agree with him it's it would be extremely volatile if you put those little two um antenna of the electric eel together you're going to get a zap and a public reaction that you know many people would be surprised about the other thing i wanted to mention is um the topic came to publishing and on that topic i think

2:20:36 That would be a good topic for a show because CIA and publishing is so, so important and very rarely looked at as a topic. One thing I would urge folks to look at is an editor at Random House who is not exactly random. His name is Bob Loomis. M.I. Bob Loomis at Random House. The reason he's so important, in my opinion.

2:21:06 As Jim DiEugenio has shown at kennedysandking.com, that's all typed together, kennedysandking.com. Just Google kennedysandking.com, Bob Loomis, and you'll see several articles. Okay, Bob Loomis was the editor for all three of the gigantically propagandized and gigantically massively media-reviewed books. First on the JFK assassination case closed, which was the widest lead.

2:21:35 widely most widely reviewed non-fiction book of the entire 1990s and also bob loomis was the editor for posner's books on vs books on the mlk assassination and the rfk assassination so the fact that these books were so massively and so widely reviewed in the u.s media really shows that

2:22:03 you know kind of protesting too much here about the both the jfp assassinations and those other two incredibly important assassinations and just how important the assassinations are in terms of u.s epistemology translation you know the difference between what teachers are teaching in schools from new york to california to every single citizen on public times versus what you and i and maybe 13 other people in the goldfish can

2:22:32 talk about online that's a huge difference that needs to be looked at so what you're saying is that so anyway just check out bob loomis so what you're saying bob loomis is a propagandist exactly okay random house and it's it's very important that we you know kind of like if they're going to find that that important covering it up the the coup and those other two assassinations it probably is pretty darn important yeah

2:22:59 protesting too much and we have to go on offense and punch back. That's why we're here. Thanks. Benjamin, go ahead. Then we're going to close out. Thanks, Colonel. As far as the CIA agent Sarah goes, for me, if she's a CIA agent or wants to have a job with the CIA, she's not going to just get up there on some podcast, especially a pretty big one like Sean Ryan's show.

2:23:27 and say you know a bunch of silly things like she's not going to be allowed to get up there and say a bunch of things that's going to be uh bad for the cia and like the degree of which this is all a bunch of angles and how they skew the angles and this work in the shadows like a lot of americans don't realize that the leader of the taliban we had him down in guantanamo like he works for the cia

2:23:53 Then now he's the head of the Taliban over in Afghanistan. He's killing American soldiers. It's like I worked with special operations. I know for a fact we can reach out and touch anybody in the world. So all these drug dealers that are running around free, all these bad actors that are running around free, if we really wanted to go after them, we could take them out. The fact that he worked for the CIA and is the leader of the country, that lets you know things aren't as they appear. Wow.

2:24:25 And with that, nothing is as it appears apparently, which is why we're here and why we do the research to try to figure out what is the real deal and present it to you guys in the clearest manner possible. Again.

2:24:45 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. I wish you all a wonderful weekend. And I can already tell that Cousin It and Bridget has set me up because I'm going to watch this video of Tucker and then I'm going to spend the next hour writing up.

2:25:04 all the dumbass things, just like I had to do with the Felix Rodriguez. But I will tell you, if it's as bad as the Felix Rodriguez, I'm not writing all that shit down. I'm going to have to do a video because that was way too much time. And then, of course, we had people taking my stuff and using it on their own stuff until Bridget and President showed up.

2:25:34 So, yeah, let me bring up, I just saw her down there. Charlie Sue, go ahead. We'll let you close us out. All right. Thank you very much, Colonel. I know a couple of people in your space that can vouch for me. I just, well, we've been following each other. I heard you on another space. I did come up just to let you know, if you don't mind, I did add you to our group called Post Spaces Only.

2:26:02 It's a very successful group, zero tolerance on chatting that I maintain. I'm an Air Force vet married to an Air Force officer. So hopefully we can have that kindred spirit and trust between us. But I really hope you would stay in that group. That way we can keep posting your spaces and more people can come to the group that haven't discovered you before. Cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Absolutely. The more we get the word out, the better we will be. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you.

2:26:30 All right, guys. Have a nice weekend. You may see me later if these guys get me going on this dumbass CIA agent. I'm just going to go ahead and say that. But... Why did you do that to me? And my husband went to play poker with the guys. So I'm really just left alone with this CIA dumbass. I'm going to be... Huh?

2:27:01 They said it's Bernard Hudson. Yeah, Tucker, which it was kind enough to post it on the billboard there. Tucker did the interview with them last Thursday, I think. But don't quote me on that. Anyway. All right. Yeah. I'm going to try it. I'm going to try it. You guys may see me in a little while. All right.

2:27:35 Take care. Trump, Frog, are you doing anything this weekend? I may actually do a space tomorrow. I'm a bit busy with work. I'm supposed to go meet a client. But I might do one tonight later. I'm not sure. It just depends on how my meeting goes. Okay. Awesome. I'll talk to you. All right. Let us know. I want to come crash the party if I can. Oh, I would love it. If I do, I definitely will let you know. It'll probably be around 8 o'clock.

2:28:09 I will let you know for sure. Yeah, that's too late for me. Well, I don't know. If you guys got my blood boiling, I may still be up at 11. Watching this, she's going to have, she's going to have the time to say to us like, no, this is a lie. This is a lie. Let me show you this. That's what's going to happen. All right. All right. You guys are challenging me here. All right. You guys take care. I will see you. If not later, I'll see you on Monday.

2:28:47 Bye. Let's go over here. Donnie vision. You had a question and I wanted to answer it. Where did it go? Let's see. I screenshot your question and we'll make sure it gets answered the next week show. Yeah. So for some reason it dumped me out of the whole live stream. It's showing that it's there. Bridget, are you still on here? On the.

2:29:21 rumble um what was the question because it's now gone it dumped my whole chat my whole screen went blank um it's showing that it's still like two hours 29 minutes so the the live stream is still going non-stop but my screen went black and then it dumped the whole chat um sr71's asking everybody to hit the like button yeah please do that

2:29:50 um it definitely makes the um algorithm on rumble um bring us up farther um mr williams mentioned a sovereign within a sovereign does he consider the cia sovereign so um that's an interesting question um obviously legally it's not a sovereign and here's what i have um come to to realize um

2:30:19 The actual sovereignty is granted, like, for example, the Vatican worked out a deal with the country of Italy when Mussolini was in charge to create sovereign territory within their jurisdiction. So then he was saying that IOR, which is the Vatican Bank, is sovereign within the Vatican. So the Vatican can't.

2:30:50 mandate to the IOR what to do, they can only mandate who's the archbishop over it, right? So he could fire like Marcinicus or hire whoever's going to be his replacement. And the Malta, the Knights of Malta has a sovereign piece of ground that was granted to them by the

2:31:19 And the CERN, that is a sovereign piece of territory building, whatever, that whole apparatus thing within Switzerland. And so is the Bank of International Settlements. That building has its own fire department, its own everything. So that's kind of the sovereignty. There's nothing sovereign about the CIA.

2:31:51 The NSC memorandum that was written that authorized them to take covert actions with the president's approval based on communist or terrorism kind of gives them, if not a blank check, something as close as you're going to get to it. The thing that you get caught up in, though,

2:32:18 is a lot of that stuff is done without memorandum or notes, right? So you remember how we talked about Eisenhower setting something up and saying, well, I want plausible deniability. So I'm going to have my aide set in for me. And then the aide comes, tells him everything, but there's no written record of him knowing anything.

2:32:45 So that's kind of how they get around not knowing. But here's what would happen. And the whole reason why I refuse to publish those orders on Lindsey Graham, if you guys remember that story, because if something goes wrong, the only thing that's going to be, the only person held accountable is the person who signed something. So the president would just go, I didn't know. I wasn't in the meeting. I don't know what they're talking about.

2:33:14 If the CIA was ever caught in assassination attempt or whatever, dead to rights, whatever, 5412-2 is not going to save them if they can't prove the president approved it. So in that sense, they're not sovereign. There's nothing literally the Pope can do to the Vatican Bank because they're sovereign. And that's the bottom line.

2:33:45 Italy, as a government, as a country, cannot do anything to the Vatican because they're a sovereign. And so that made that a sovereign within a sovereign arrangement. And only when you can literally do nothing to them are you considered sovereign. So hopefully that helped.

2:34:09 But they have as close to sovereignty as you could get without having it with that stupid memorandum, which basically allows them to do whatever the hell they want as long as the president signs a binding. But again, I don't think most people even understand what 5412 is. I don't think they know that we assassinate foreign heads of state just because we want to and then lie about the justification, blah, blah, blah. So I don't think they do any of that. So anyway.

2:34:38 Having said all of that, thank you guys for being here. Have a nice weekend. And if I do jump on here later, I will post it on True Social and X to do a dissection of this crazy video I'm going to watch from Tucker. You guys have a nice evening.

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CIA carried_out_attack Hungary host_asserted ▶ 4:30

“Talking about some elements of the CIA regretted not being able to act to help the Hungarian crisis, because remember where we left that is that they had basically rebelled, thinking that the West, sp…”

Allen Dulles headed CIA documented ▶ 6:20

“The results did not dampen their vigor of wanting to do covert operations, however. And while the president monitored the overall program, his secretary of state, John Foster Dulles, and his brother, …”

John Foster Dulles headed U.S. State Department documented ▶ 6:20

George Young member_of Security Information Systems documented ▶ 7:51

“to the operations coordination board heard the code name strangle straggle sorry strangle straggle used at an anglo-american intelligence conference it had been dropped by george k young who was deput…”

Omega Task Force located_in U.S. State Department documented ▶ 7:51

Wilbur Evelyn member_of CIA documented ▶ 8:21

“had already been formed at the State Department. Unfamiliar with the chain of command, the CIA man, Wilbur Evelyn, E-V-E-L-A-N-D, thought, quote, that plans to undertake a coup in Syria were centered …”

Kermit Roosevelt member_of CIA documented ▶ 9:16

“was directed to scout the possibilities on the ground. He was given two months in theater. In July, Kermit Roosevelt went out to Jordan on another assignment related to this same mission. Operation St…”

Operation Stole targeted_for_regime_change Syria documented ▶ 9:16

Howard Stone member_of CIA documented ▶ 10:41

“The station chief in Damascus also had his own version of Operation Wakeful, for which he had brought up a political action specialist by the name of Howard Rocky Stone. So Rocky was his nickname. One…”

Abdul Hamid Sarja exposed Howard Stone documented ▶ 11:11

“who had been considered unacceptable as an ally in the 56 coup. This time, the Syrian officers who had been recruited simply walked into the office of the intelligence chief, Lieutenant Colonel Abdul …”

Abdul Hamid Sarja exposed Frank Jedin documented ▶ 11:11

Frank Jedin member_of CIA documented ▶ 11:34

“Rocky Stone and Frank Jedim had been caught red-handed and exposed in the Syrian press and were expelled from the country. In August 57, in the issue of Time Magazine, they dismissed reports that the …”

Allen Dulles operated_in India documented ▶ 12:04

“One novelty for the CIA during 56 was a global inspection tour by Alan Dulles. He had taken Ray Klein as an aide on this trip, and the group cover over 30,000 miles in 57 days. They used the director'…”

Allen Dulles operated_in Turkey documented ▶ 12:04

Allen Dulles operated_in Pakistan documented ▶ 12:04

Allen Dulles operated_in Thailand documented ▶ 12:04

Allen Dulles operated_in Vietnam documented ▶ 12:34

“Turkey, Pakistan, India, Thailand, South Vietnam, Singapore, Australia, the Philippines, Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan. Now let me point out for you guys exactly what's going on here. This is in 56. …”

Allen Dulles operated_in South Korea documented ▶ 12:34

Allen Dulles operated_in Formosa documented ▶ 12:34

Allen Dulles operated_in Singapore documented ▶ 12:34

Allen Dulles operated_in Philippines documented ▶ 12:34

Allen Dulles operated_in Japan documented ▶ 12:34

Allen Dulles operated_in Australia documented ▶ 12:34

United States targeted_for_regime_change Indonesia documented ▶ 15:28

“dissatisfaction with Indonesia led to a major paramilitary operation designed to overthrow the existing government, much like they did in Iran and Guatemala. In the 60s, appeal for a superpower detent…”

Sukarno headed Indonesia documented ▶ 20:02

“Independence came in the rush of decolonization after World War II for the Indonesians, the problem land transforming the array of islands into a nation state. Sukarno had been a prominent wartime nat…”

Sukarno dissolved Indonesian Communist Party documented ▶ 20:31

“Kim in Korea, and Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. He basically played the same role in Indonesia. He was a pragmatist visionary, and Sukarna was a no-nonsense kind of guy, and he was not in any stretch of the…”

Frank Wisner member_of CIA documented ▶ 23:16

“then appeared to confirm Americans' fears by making official visits during the 1956 to China, Russia, and other Eastern European countries. The American began rumblings that he's now a communist. Agai…”

Alfred Ulmer member_of CIA documented ▶ 24:14

“Far East Division was the biggest in that area of the CIA. As it happened, the division chief, Alfred Ulmer, U-L-M-E-R, Jr., knew about paramilitary operations, but very little about Asia. He had been…”

Alfred Ulmer operated_in Greece host_asserted ▶ 25:09

“where Otto Skorzeny is. So this guy has worked covert operations with Otto Skorzeny. And he was in Greece, and we know that we overthrew Greece government too. So he is no stranger to covert operation…”

Alfred Ulmer did_business_with Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 25:09

Richard M. Bissell Jr. member_of CIA documented ▶ 26:40

“Richard Bissell, then the special assistant to Alan Dulles, recalls that the Indonesians had approached the agency at least two years before the operation, which is why most people think they were inv…”

CIA trained Indonesian National Police documented ▶ 27:11

“And the reason why I know this is because I did quite a bit of research into this, because one of these colonels was the guy, Sotero, that Obama's mother ends up with. He's one of the colonels that's …”

CIA supplied_arms_to Sembolin documented ▶ 29:11

“Still, it lacked any presidential approval whatsoever. After an unsuccessful try at arranging a private arms deal, it was determined to seek authority and then move ahead with an official arms deal. S…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Faisal bin al-Hussein documented ▶ 29:11

Frank Wisner funded Indonesia documented ▶ 30:40

“president into Indonesia for a stay of over two months. In May, the U.S. flatly rejected a request by Sukarno to make a visit to Washington. The fall of 1957, as it turns out, there would be little op…”

Charles Cabell member_of CIA documented ▶ 31:09

“for the overthrow. The active phase of Indonesia operations caused some uproar internal to the CIA. Allen Dulles kept in close contact, although he delegated the supervisory role mainly to Lieutenant …”

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Sukarno documented ▶ 32:28

“in the secret war the secretary of state was in new york for a meeting at the un when he received word from his brother alan on september 16 1957 for the final go-ahead for the coup only his side of t…”

John Foster Dulles ordered_assassination_of Sukarno documented ▶ 32:28

John Allison member_of United States documented ▶ 33:29

“and also to execute a CIA covert operation. From that moment, the Secretary of State was in frequent contact with his brother over the Indonesian operation. Foster Dulles overruled his own ambassador …”

John Foster Dulles covered_up John Allison documented ▶ 33:59

“Allison was then deliberately misinformed regarding anything that was going on with the CIA operation. John Foster called Allen on November 29th to tell him of an extremely significant cable from Alli…”

John Foster Dulles ordered_assassination_of Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 35:23

“which sounds exactly like an Operation Gladio event, because they do this to get the people to turn against their president. The immediate question was whether to send condolences on the desk and cong…”

United Kingdom did_business_with Royal Dutch Shell host_asserted ▶ 35:55

“During early December, difficulties arose with the British. In Singapore, the CIA had maintained liaison with British intelligence for many years, but in Indonesia, it was thought desirable to expand …”

Rockefeller family funded Standard Oil host_asserted ▶ 36:24

“The Rockefellers want Standard Oil to have that oil all by themselves. And so there is some one-ups been going on here. So Allen went to Foster while senior British foreign officer officials were visi…”

John Foster Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Sukarno documented ▶ 36:56

“which will be pretty bad, unquote. A few minutes later, Foster was on the phone to his undersecretary, Christian Herter, H-E-R-T-E-R. What he would like to do is to see things get to a point where we …”

John Foster Dulles relationship_with Allen Dulles documented ▶ 37:52

“Allen Dulles remaining optimistic in mid-January that Dulles told his brother Foster, everything's going all right on this matter. This view was echoed in the last minute official appraisal sent by th…”

CIA funded 1958 Indonesian coup attempt documented ▶ 38:21

“from other facets of the country and that they would be able to break Sukarno's grip on the country. Intelligence reported that the group in present circumstances believes it could successfully resist…”

Arleigh Burke member_of United States Navy documented ▶ 39:39

“Though he claims to have stopped them before they could broach the CIA operation, Cummings necessarily had knowledge of the plan because he was the State Department's intelligence chief. Indeed, we ha…”

Hugh Cumming Jr. member_of U.S. State Department documented ▶ 39:39

Felix Stump member_of United States Navy documented ▶ 40:09

“The chief of naval operations simply did not press the matter within his service. Both Alan Dulles and Harder raised this with him in February. At about the same time, aerial reconnaissance disclosed …”

United States Navy supplied_arms_to 1958 Indonesian coup attempt documented ▶ 40:38

“began to fear that Sukarno might allow Soviet bombers to use the facilities. Navy resistance suddenly melted away. Submarine shipments were expected to take three days, were quickly arranged. When the…”

John Foster Dulles removed_from_power John Allison documented ▶ 41:08

“Accounts differ on whether Allison asked for an immediate transport or was simply ordered out of the country. But John Foster sent Allison, a career diplomat, to Czechoslovakia because of his hesitati…”

Frank Wisner headed Operation Archipelago documented ▶ 45:19

“This move was a signal for Wisner, who loved to be at the scene of action, to leave Singapore and come command the operation. In Singapore, the CIA station chief had been augmented for the project. Th…”

CIA operated_in Singapore documented ▶ 45:19

CIA supplied_arms_to 1958 Indonesian coup attempt documented ▶ 45:49

“Along with the full extent of British and Australian collaboration, because they were both in on this as well, another prime base for Archipelago was the Philippines. Navy submarines left Subic Bay wi…”

CIA operated_in Philippines documented ▶ 45:49

CIA trained 1958 Indonesian coup attempt documented ▶ 46:14

“the services of three to four hundred American, Filipino, and nationalist Chinese, i.e. Taiwan, to serve and fly a small fleet of transport aircraft modified by the Air Force for ground support missio…”

John Foster Dulles covered_up Operation Archipelago documented ▶ 47:03

“There were radio stations along the way that were bombed and strafed by the government of Indonesia. The radios were put out of action immediately, which was a serious blow to the CIA's psychological …”

Anthony Poshepny member_of 1958 Indonesian coup attempt documented ▶ 48:28

“The original limitation of one agent team with the rebels was lifted. Two more had landed by submarines in April and May, but white faces were not enough. The rebels lacked morale. A guy by the name o…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower covered_up Operation Archipelago documented ▶ 55:02

“The government accused American and Chinese, meaning Taiwan, of operating the rebel air force and later acknowledged it was sending a list to Washington identifying these individuals. In response, Eis…”

Alan Lawrence Pope member_of Air America documented ▶ 56:59

“Within a day, Washington knew Pope had been captured. As Cabell confirmed for Foster Dulles, but CIA had a lot of confidence in the man. Pope had flown in Korea for this civil air transport, including…”

CIA recruited Alan Lawrence Pope documented ▶ 56:59

Sukarno exposed CIA documented ▶ 57:27

“It was at this point on May 20th that John Foster stood before the press to say the Indonesian rebellion should be resolved without intrusion as he intruded. With the Americans, what the Americans did…”

CIA covered_up Capture of Alan Pope documented ▶ 57:56

“had been sanitized to prevent being linked to the CIA, and the pilots had undergone strip searches before each mission to ensure they had no criminating evidence on them. But Pope concealed his papers…”

Brian May exposed Operation Archipelago book_quoted ▶ 59:23

“was even cited and attacked by the Indonesian government. The rebels' revolt was crushed, and by June 26, the government forces had won. The final result of the rebellion was to strengthen the hand of…”

Sukarno overthrew 1958 Indonesian coup attempt documented ▶ 59:23

Richard M. Bissell Jr. succeeded Frank Wisner documented ▶ 1:00:18

“who was tried in December 1959 and sentenced to life in prison, would fly again for the CIA. The disaster did finally sap the strength of Frank Wisner. The chief went to London as the station chief to…”

Hjalmar Schacht operated_in Indonesia host_asserted ▶ 1:05:52

“H-J-A-L-M-A-R, Schacht, the banker who shaped Hitler's power. So the reason I'm bringing it up is because they mentioned after he got acquitted at Nuremberg that he went on down to Indonesia and helpe…”

Hjalmar Schacht operated_in Greece host_asserted ▶ 1:06:17

“He went to Greece. He went everywhere. And he just so happened to be a lot of places where there were CIA coups going on. Just saying. Oh, I thought I uncovered something maybe you didn't know. No, I'…”

Hjalmar Schacht funded Adolf Hitler host_asserted ▶ 1:07:17

“of all of the Western money into Hitler, where he kind of kept his, the story we got sold after World War II is that, you know, basically Hitler didn't like him and that he was jailed and all of this …”

George W. Bush operated_in Greece book_quoted ▶ 1:13:59

“and being in Greece in 1950, which was a very interesting place to be in 1950. But definitely that, I think, would require further corroboration from other sources. And again, it's significant that th…”

Operation Gladio operated_in Austria host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

“He goes to Turkey, Egypt, Italy, and Austria. And, of course, we know Turkey and Italy and Austria during the time that he would have been there in the late 40s and early 50s were all part of Operatio…”

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Austria host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Greece host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

Operation Gladio operated_in Italy host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Italy host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Egypt host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

Operation Gladio operated_in Turkey host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Turkey host_asserted ▶ 1:15:36

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Yugoslavia host_asserted ▶ 1:16:04

“Very, very interesting. It also said that he spent some time in the Balkans and Hungary and Yugoslavia, which, again, is very interesting because they all ended up with stay behind units, too. So very…”

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Balkans host_asserted ▶ 1:16:04

Walker Kistler "Jack" Ulmer operated_in Hungary host_asserted ▶ 1:16:04

Chiang Kai-shek operated_in Formosa host_asserted ▶ 1:19:35

“the martial law was what shanghai shek implemented and the timing in the song indicates to me it is um taiwan shanghai shek not mainland china um and of course he took it in the spirit in which it was…”

James Mossman attempted_assassination_of Gamal Abdel Nasser book_quoted ▶ 1:23:43

“was reportedly tasked with delivering £20,000 worth intended to bribe NASA's personal position to carry out a poisoning under the radar. And it says when the CIA found out about this, they said they c…”

Anthony Eden targeted_for_regime_change Gamal Abdel Nasser book_quoted ▶ 1:23:43

United Kingdom attempted_coup_against Mohammad Mosaddegh host_asserted ▶ 1:27:30

“opposite sides of a coin. They're always on the same side. They have different competitive reasons for wanting to go about things different ways. But just as we saw in Iran, they always come and bail …”

Standard Oil financed_via Mohammad Mosaddegh host_asserted ▶ 1:28:00

“The U.S. stepped in and did it for them because there's ultimately when the U.S. stepped in and helped, Standard Oil got a cut of the profits at that point, which they would not have had the CIA not d…”

Otto Skorzeny member_of Mossad host_asserted ▶ 1:28:30

“It went to Standard Oil because that's who they actually work for. So in the case of Egypt, you know that Otto Skorzeny took a mission for Mossad to get rid of the Nazi scientists that had been placed…”

Otto Skorzeny operated_in Egypt host_asserted ▶ 1:29:27

“by Israel to go into Egypt and get rid of those scientists. So the adage that there's no honor among thieves is very, very true. He worked for whoever to do whatever. He wasn't loyal to any one govern…”

Bashar al-Assad operated_in Syria host_asserted ▶ 1:37:26

“kind of connects with what we're what we're seeing in Syria right now. So you remember when we were talking about Syria and the fact that Assad went to meet with the queen and basically they wanted th…”

Gamal Abdel Nasser targeted_for_regime_change United Kingdom host_asserted ▶ 1:38:21

“They finally get told they're going to leave. And from that point on, there was a, you know, a red X on Nasser because you're not allowed to tell him to leave. Now, you've got Assad sitting over here …”

Marcinkus relationship_with Paul L. Williams host_asserted ▶ 1:49:37

“That's a good question. Yeah, I mean, obviously, he said Marcinkus shut the door in his face. That's a good question. Right? Yeah.…”

Doug Valentine authored Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 1:50:27

“enough of them would for him to be able to, you know, obviously write his Phoenix program book and several others about the CIA. And so I should ask him if he's read any of Doug Valentine's books. Tha…”

Paul L. Williams authored Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:51:27

“And the other thing I wanted to know about him was how do you think it's possible? Like he was saying he was published through Doubleday. How do you think that's possible? Because a lot of that happen…”

Paul L. Williams exposed Catholic Church host_asserted ▶ 1:51:27

Allen Dulles covered_up CIA caller_asserted ▶ 2:00:53

“Is these people like we saw with Alan Dulles, they're conveniently out. Right. So if they want to pretend like nothing's going to go off, they'll go on vacation or whatever. And then that's when the o…”

CIA operated_in Formosa caller_asserted ▶ 2:03:22

“the drug epidemic to the cia that could be very very profound yeah and it definitely is tied to the cia and it's tied to taiwan not china and you know it sounds like you know the receipts are there oh…”

Chiang Kai-shek did_business_with Paul Helliwell caller_asserted ▶ 2:03:53

“That deals with Chiang Kai-shek and Paul Helliwell and them setting up that entire covert operation to use drugs, drugs to play for Operation Gladio. Yeah, that's in that's in Daniel Ganser's book. Th…”

Chiang Kai-shek carried_out_attack Operation Gladio caller_asserted ▶ 2:03:53

CIA funded ISIS caller_asserted ▶ 2:13:37

“OK, so we've unequivocally proven that ISIS was funded, trained and created by the CIA. I have pictures, we've all seen them, of John McCain with the head of ISIS in Syria, by the way.…”

CIA trained ISIS caller_asserted ▶ 2:13:37

“OK, so we've unequivocally proven that ISIS was funded, trained and created by the CIA. I have pictures, we've all seen them, of John McCain with the head of ISIS in Syria, by the way.…”

John McCain headed International Republican Institute caller_asserted ▶ 2:13:56

“And we all know that John McCain was head of the International Republican Institute for 25 years. He was given on average $75 million a year budget to go do regime change along with the National Endow…”

CIA front_for National Endowment for Democracy caller_asserted ▶ 2:14:19

“set aside with taxpayer dollars for Union International Institute, something, something. And the chamber has one and the Democrat Party has one. And that was there in exchange for giving the CIA a fro…”

International Republican Institute funded ISIS caller_asserted ▶ 2:14:48

“They have listed every country that they've spent that money in to do quote unquote democracy. So one of the countries that the IRI under McCain, most of us saw those pictures and thought McCain was t…”

France carried_out_attack Boxer Rebellion host_asserted ▶ 2:17:29

“self-critique so that they learn from their mistakes um also there were two opium wars that the british conducted uh long ago the boxer wars yeah the boxers uh with french and and the british um and u…”

United Kingdom carried_out_attack Boxer Rebellion host_asserted ▶ 2:17:29

United Kingdom carried_out_attack Opium Wars host_asserted ▶ 2:17:29

United Kingdom trafficked China host_asserted ▶ 2:18:22

“They're just dumbing us down with the vaccines and everything else. So their goal isn't necessarily to kill us. They like us paying taxes to them. And the same thing with the Chinese. They like the mo…”

Loomis member_of Random House host_asserted ▶ 2:20:36

“That would be a good topic for a show because CIA and publishing is so, so important and very rarely looked at as a topic. One thing I would urge folks to look at is an editor at Random House who is n…”

Loomis founded Case Closed host_asserted ▶ 2:21:06

“As Jim DiEugenio has shown at kennedysandking.com, that's all typed together, kennedysandking.com. Just Google kennedysandking.com, Bob Loomis, and you'll see several articles. Okay, Bob Loomis was th…”

Jim DiEugenio exposed Loomis book_quoted ▶ 2:21:06

Loomis founded Michael Porter host_asserted ▶ 2:21:35

“widely most widely reviewed non-fiction book of the entire 1990s and also bob loomis was the editor for posner's books on vs books on the mlk assassination and the rfk assassination so the fact that t…”

Taliban operated_in Afghanistan caller_asserted ▶ 2:23:53

“Then now he's the head of the Taliban over in Afghanistan. He's killing American soldiers. It's like I worked with special operations. I know for a fact we can reach out and touch anybody in the world…”

Catholic Church located_in Italy host_asserted ▶ 2:30:19

“The actual sovereignty is granted, like, for example, the Vatican worked out a deal with the country of Italy when Mussolini was in charge to create sovereign territory within their jurisdiction. So t…”

Knights of Malta located_in Italy host_asserted ▶ 2:30:50

“mandate to the IOR what to do, they can only mandate who's the archbishop over it, right? So he could fire like Marcinicus or hire whoever's going to be his replacement. And the Malta, the Knights of …”

Bank for International Settlements located_in Switzerland host_asserted ▶ 2:31:19

“And the CERN, that is a sovereign piece of territory building, whatever, that whole apparatus thing within Switzerland. And so is the Bank of International Settlements. That building has its own fire …”

CERN located_in Switzerland host_asserted ▶ 2:31:19