ColonelTowner-Watkins - Guest_ Solving JFK Podcast

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0:00 Um, we're going to go ahead and go live. I posted the link over on my ex where I've been communicating with solving JFK podcast, um, to come onto the show and I'm waiting for him to show up. So, um, Oh, there he is. Let me bring him on. Um, see how I do that. Hold on just a second. Um, manage participants.

0:42 Um, there he is. Do you unmute your mic? How about that? There we go. Yeah. Awesome. Welcome. Hey, how's it going? Good. Um, so do you want to, um, since you're new, um, do you want to, um, introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about yourself? Yeah. Yeah. Let me, I got a little bit of echo. Let me, let me, um,

1:18 Get some earbuds in real quick. Yes. Is that good? Hi. Hi. This is good. Yeah, much better. You know what? I still have a big echo. I don't know what this is about. Huh. Let me see if I can do that. Sorry, I just get easily distracted. That's okay. I'll mute mine while you're talking. Go ahead. Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah.

2:00 My name's Matt Crumpton. I have a podcast called... I'm going to take these out. Well, actually, let me just switch. Sorry, sorry. Let's see here. We'll go back to regular. Okay. How about now? Is it still an echo? Okay. Yeah, SR71 is saying that that's a better... Well, I don't know what happened to him. He muted himself.

2:54 And took his video away. Exactly. We'll see. All right. Yeah, he dropped out. I think he's going to try to redo the connection. So anyway, he contacted me as a result of one of our shows. And of course, I was intrigued given.

3:26 the name of his handle, Solving JFK Podcast, primarily, of course, because what we have found is so much of what we found in Operation Gladio kind of overlaps and adds more texture, if you want, to the JFK assassination. So there you are.

3:57 All right, let's see. Still have this echo. I'll try to get through it. I'm just going to turn my volume all the way down when I'm talking, and I'll turn it up when you talk. Okay. Okay. Just general overview. I started solving JFK podcast in November of 2022, and I've been...

4:23 Following the Kennedy assassination for a long time. I started reading books about it. Mostly on the conspiracy side of things. When I was in high school. And eventually I came to a point where I thought there was a conspiracy. But I didn't know what it was. It was too complicated. So I kind of just walked away from it. But I sort of...

4:51 My interest was rekindled in 2017 when all the records were supposed to be released and they weren't. And that kind of just led to me going back through it again. I realized no one's doing a podcast about the JFK assassination that goes through every single issue and looks at what does each side say.

5:22 They're saying that there is still a, a huge echo on your side. Okay. Okay. So I don't know if there's like, there's normally like filters on your mics. Like whether you, let me get, let me get, I've got, I've got a, another, another.

5:48 Headphone. Let me go grab that. Okay, sure. So obviously, obviously you guys can see the fascination that I have because this guy has focused on the JFK portion of this specifically. And so what I want to do is kind of match up with him. What we haven't covered because like him, I've read.

6:20 quite a few books about the JFK assassination. Obviously, we've done a deep dive into the CIA and come at it from a completely different angle. So kind of my first question is, has he read the book Final Judgment? That book.

6:46 was basically banned. They tried to get it so that it wouldn't even be published. I had never even heard of it until I started researching Operation Gladio. So that's kind of the angle that I want to take with this whole thing. And hopefully we can...

7:12 I'll come away with some tidbits of information that we may have not otherwise had access to. So thank you guys for hanging with us as we get this audio thing situated. I'm also using a new aspect of Rumble. I don't know if you guys even know about that, but they set up their own streaming service.

7:40 Oh, and by the way, I also noticed on True Social, because I focused on X and getting a lot of people that's new to what's going on in the world introduced to Operation Gladio. Obviously, you guys know we all started out on True Social, the collection of us, Bridget and Peasant and myself. And so as a result of that, I'm going to go.

8:10 spend the part of today that i have between these videos since i'm kind of focused on the studio thing um and check out their video and see if we can't merge true social into this whole um exposure point as well okay all right all right all right sr71 is it still there yeah yeah all right talk just a little bit let me get his feedback he's kind of my moderator on um rumble

8:40 Go ahead. Yeah. So anyway, the point of the podcast is hearing both arguments, right? Because what happened is I found out that a lot of people feel very strongly about the RBIs alone, and they've dedicated their lives to this idea. It defines them. So, you know, once I've...

9:07 Came to a conclusion. It was a conspiracy. I thought I'd go on Facebook and talk to these people. We don't kind of figure out, hey, what happened? So he said there's still one. It's like there's two mics that are open at the same time. He said you need to mute your computer. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Is that better? All right. So go ahead and talk. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? I can hear you fine. You can hear me fine? You can hear me fine? Yeah.

9:44 Ah. So that works, but then I can't hear you. That's the other problem. Okay. Let's see. Let's see. Mute audio on computer. Yeah, Kerry, that's what we're trying to do. Okay. All right, let's just do this. I will, when I'm talking, I'll mute, and then I'll just raise your hand, I'll unmute, and then I'll, so I can hear you talk. Sorry, everybody. I've never seen this happen before. Okay, cool.

10:20 Yes. And sorry, everybody. Is that better? So I just want to let you know, this happens to me every almost every video we do. We have been since talking about Operation Gladio and exposing the CIA. It seems like almost everything that we do. The first space we ever did crashed like over 100 times. I've never seen anything.

10:51 like the, the constant pressure that we're under trying to get this information out. So, and you talking about JFK and operation Gladio together, that's probably just a nightmare for them. All right. All right. There we go. Hey, there's no, there's no echo. We did it. We did it. All right. So I'm, I'm going to mute when you talk. Okay. Sounds good. All right. Great. So, yeah, so, so that's it on the podcast. We've, you know,

11:28 We've been looking at all the different angles. Season one was kind of the basic information, you know, the greatest hits, Oswald in the book depository, J.D. Tippett, all the medical evidence, Jack Ruby killing Oswald, you know, sort of the famous things that everybody likes to argue about. Season two is who was Oswald really?

11:53 So we're zooming in on Oswald. So what I did, just to zoom out here, I've got this scorecard for season one. I didn't use it for season two. But season one, I've got the issue. I've got here's what Warren Report critics say. Here's what Warren Report defenders say. And then here's my take on it after looking at both sides. And there's about 15 issues we looked at. And for about half of them, I landed on inconclusive.

12:21 You know what I mean? Like, for example, was there a shooter behind the grassy knoll fence in Dealey Plaza? So just looking at that issue, not bringing in the medical evidence, just looking at the witness testimony, you know, the answer is it's, you know, inconclusive. There's not an absolute smoking gun unless you believe this guy, Ed Hoffman, who might be telling the truth. I'm not saying I don't believe Ed Hoffman, but it's not overwhelmingly proven. There are some things that I think are overwhelmingly proven.

12:51 on the conspiracy side, right? Like the medical evidence and Oswald not being on the sixth floor and Oswald being impersonated as well. But, but anyway, so at the end of season one, we were in a position to go, all right, it's a conspiracy. There's shots from the front. We know the contours of some things. Like for example, the military controlled the autopsy. So the military has to have some involvement. Okay.

13:18 At a minimum. And if there was a conspiracy, what you're signing up for is you're signing up for a fraudulent autopsy. Those two things are required to go together. There cannot be a conspiracy without a fraudulent autopsy. So anyway, we thought, look, we've got to figure out who this Oswald guy is because he's not you can say what you want about Oswald's innocence. And I think he is innocent of the crime of killing President Kennedy in Tippett. But.

13:44 he acted pretty weird he left the school book depository he goes home and gets a pistol and he goes to a matinee what is that you know what i mean that's that's pretty weird so um the whole point of of looking at who was oswald really is just to try to get our heads around like what was he doing and that's been very interesting so we're wrapping up season two we started from oswald's birth went all the way through right now we just got through um

14:08 Up through November 22nd, I did a deep dive on the Payne family, Ruth and Michael Payne. And we looked at everything. We looked at, again, him growing up, Marines, Soviet Union time, when he comes back from the Soviet Union, his time in New Orleans. We've got a seven-part series just on New Orleans. And the last couple that I have this season are impersonations, in particular ones in the fall of 1963. I mean, there's almost 20.

14:36 impersonations of Oswald in the fall of 1963, which is wild. And then foreknowledge. There are all these famous instances of people saying they had foreknowledge of the assassination. And we zoom into those. And the foreknowledge one will be, I haven't recorded that one yet. I just recorded impersonations last night, so that'll be out next Wednesday. Then I got a, so just a little bit more about the show. At the end of each series, I do a recap and rebuttals.

15:05 So I had people, you know, look, you disagree with me, send me where I'm wrong here, preferably with some evidence. And then I address these rebuttals that are on the topic. Now, my problem is a lot of people hear the show after, you know, they're not listening to the episodes live and they'll send me rebuttals two months later. So I've got a few that I'll have to go back and cover.

15:26 But yeah, and it's just to sort of cover these rebuttals and then also summarize because I don't necessarily give my take as I'm going through. I'm sort of like adjust the facts. I might say, well, this looks like this. This raises this question. But at the recap, I go, here's the issue. Here's the evidence. Where do we land? And I have a guest with me on those a lot of times. And I'm going to have John Newman, Dr. John Newman, the expert on – I'm sure you know Dr. Newman.

15:55 He used to be the military attache to the director of the NSA from 1988 to 1990. And he's a professor at James Madison University. Basically, he's the expert on the documents and the evidentiary trail that establishes that Oswald worked with the CIA and that Oswald was basically an operation. And then I'll have my conclusion, and then we'll go into season three.

16:24 which season three is, we'll take a few months off. Season three probably starts in February. That will be, if not Oswald, then who? So that's the fun. That's where we get to, you know, all that stuff. So let me ask you two questions. Do you know, have you read the book Final Judgment? No, is that the Mantic book? Who's it by? Hold on, I'll look it up.

17:05 Sorry, is that the book by David Mantic? I don't know if I've read that one. Corsi, Jerome Corsi and David Mantic. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. I'm just muting because of the echo. Okay. Michael Collins Piper. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if I've read that book or not. I know that it sounds like the name of a book by Corsi, Jerome Corsi and David Mantic. Okay. So.

17:52 That's not the same one. The only reason I ask that is because there's quite a bit of information in Final Judgment that I'd never read anywhere else. I've read several books about JFK's assassination. That book, the CIA tried to get banned. So it is a good book. There was a lot of controversy when it first came out. So also.

18:21 I want to share with you, because I don't know how much of our information that you've been a part of, but I, in the disclosure of Operation Gladio, came across in a completely non-associated way, George DeMorganshield, which of course you know who he is.

18:47 critical element of the Warren Commission, critical element of having housed and associated with, to the point where he could have been the handler of Oswald. And let me just go through this briefly for the audience, anyone that's new, and then I want to get your reaction to it.

19:09 Just in general, because we'll have some of your audience here, too, that's not following Operation Gladio, so I want to give just a little bit of a background. Operation Gladio is a post-World War II terrorist network that was set up by NATO and incorporated in all of NATO countries. And there were elements of that.

19:36 all of the elements of that is managed by NATO countries, intelligence agencies to include the CIA, MI6, BND for Germany, blah, blah, blah. So if you go back to the early 1900s, the Dulles brothers were employed by Sullivan and Cromwell. Sullivan and Cromwell went around the world.

20:02 representing entities that I have put in a basket called the international syndicate that wrecked havoc all over the world, taking over governments, cooing governments, all on behalf of big business throughout the world. And primarily Sullivan and Cromwell paying customers. And in the case of Azerbaijan, there is a huge, and it did.

20:29 a large portion of Russia's oil came from Azerbaijan in a particular oil field called Baku, B-A-K-U. And that was originally managed, owned by the Nobel family in Sweden. And by the way, it seems like Sweden always has a role in all of this.

20:56 Rockefeller's Standard Oil wanted to buy this oil field. And the guy that was running the oil field for the Nobel Brothers was George's dad. So in the early 1900s, Alan Dulles, on behalf of Sullivan and Cromwell, is traveling to Azerbaijan, negotiating the sale of the Baku oil fields from the Nobel Brothers to...

21:26 Standard Oil, the Rockefellers. And he meets, Alan Dulles meets the 10-year-old George DeMorganshield. He is very, very close friends with George's dad. He grows up knowing George. There is many occasion in which Alan Dulles and George later on in life run across each other.

21:51 And so then you have the single star witness of the most important commission ever done, the Warren Commission, where you have the main full time guy, Alan Dulles, who, of course, was fired by JFK, investigating JFK's assassination. And his star witness is a kid that he met when he was 10 years old. And he's kind of grew up with Alan Dulles as kind of this uncle figure.

22:21 And because of George's geologist, oil, blah, blah, blah, he's plopped down in the middle of Texas and becomes the star witness. And Texas just happens to be the place where they assassinate. So I want to get your. Yeah. First of all, I just want to say I have not watched all your your content, but I have watched some of it.

22:46 I think what you're doing with Operation Gladio is really important. And I think you should be applauded for that because, you know, it's hard for people to believe that their government could do could do bad things, you know, for the greater good when the bad things are so obviously bad. And then, of course, the the implications for what's going on domestically today, you know, kind of, you know, flows from that. So so kudos to you. Appreciate you.

23:15 You know, regarding Dulles, I had not heard what you just told me about Dulles meeting 10-year-old George de Mournchil in Azerbaijan. That's something. In my show, I have an episode on – a whole episode dedicated to de Mournchil and all the sort of under-the-surface things that are not part of the standard narrative.

23:42 One of those stories is this guy who's – I forget what it is exactly, but he's like an oil industry whistleblower and he wants to tell – basically he's trying to tell Dulles that we're – somebody is doing something wrong. I forget what it was, but there was some crime or somebody was acting against US interests really is what it was.

24:07 And it was in the oil industry. And the guy kind of needed a fixer. He got a meeting with Dulles. Dulles introduces him to this guy who uses a false name, but ends up it's George DeMorenschild. So Dulles, this is in 1954, I believe. Dulles, it's in my episode on DeMorenschild. But yeah, so I thought that was interesting. And DeMorenschild, similarly, so Dulles meets DeMorenschild as a child.

24:37 Believe it or not, DeMorenschild knew and had regular meetings with Ruth Payne's father, who was working for USAID, when he was in Haiti. And we know that because a guy who worked in the office in Haiti told the House Select Committee on Assassinations that. Joseph Dreyer was the guy's name. So, yeah, Sullivan and Cromwell, fun fact about them.

25:03 Not to get too much into modern day politics, but Sullivan and Cromwell was the number one backer of the Pete Buttigieg campaign. Fun fact. So let me ask you a couple of other things. So one of the things that we have made hay about is how.

25:30 People are portrayed to us, the news consumers, in a completely different light than what their real role is. And the best example that I've come across, because I have personal experience with it, living in Florida, is the role of the Cuban exiles in just about everything. And just for, again, the audience, a little bit of background. In Operation Gladio, no one is portrayed.

26:00 The way to us in America, the way they really are on the ground, wherever they're at. And there's no better illustration of that than the Cuban exiles. For us, we have always been told that the Cuban exiles were people, poor people that were ostracized, terrorized by Castro when Castro came to power in Cuba and they fled for their lives.

26:29 For the majority of the Cuban exiles, that is absolutely a fable. The CIA installed Batista in Cuba and they also went into the mountains. Literally CIA agents went into the mountains and trained the Castro brothers along with Che Cabrera as the revolutionary forces so that they could be on both sides of this in order to take.

26:56 maintain control of Cuba regardless of who wins. So they basically were playing both sides against the middle. Now, a typical way in which the CIA runs countries in this non-imperialistic way that's very imperialistic is that they do exactly what I just described so that they come out on the controlling interest. And then whoever wins, they basically buy them.

27:25 And they cultivate this bourgeois elite of corrupt people that they will allow to own large plantations or they will allow them to own an airline or they will allow them to own blah, blah, blah. So basically, all of the infrastructure, the telephone company for eavesdropping, the transportation for tracking and surveillance, they have all of these.

27:52 Well, in Cuba, that's exactly what happened. We ran across a guy by the name of William Polly who owned not only the bus transportation, he owned the airline there. He owned a bunch of the plantations. And so then they installed these what we know to be plantation overseers that are literally in many cases just as cruel as the Southern people were to the Africans that were brought over as slaves.

28:22 In Cuba or Chile or wherever they install these dictators. And so in light of that, the Cuban exiles are primarily those elite that got displaced when Castro came to power. They were not the poor peasants. They're all still there. Nobody helped them. The people that were allowed to come to the United States came as a result of them being on the dole.

28:52 of the Sullivan and Cromwell, the, shoot, United Fruit was in Cuba. So all of those people, the people that worked for William Polly, they were brought into Miami in order to try to get the island back and basically overthrow Cuba. So they trained these Cuban exiles. The Cuban exiles then not only just attacked Cuba,

29:20 But they also were deployed in Nicaragua. They were deployed in Honduras. They were deployed in El Salvador. They, in many cases, to include Felix Rodriguez in the whole Iran-Contra, number three guy in the Bush vice president Reagan White House, was deployed. He's a Cuban exile. He was a member of the Brigade 2506.

29:45 like a commanding member of the Brigade 2506, which is basically a death squad. He did time in Vietnam working on the Phoenix program for William Casey, who goes on to be the CIA director. He was training people in El Salvador. He was training people in Honduras. And when I say training people, I'm saying training terrorists to go in and terrorize and overthrow the government of Nicaragua. And they did that all over the world, not just in...

30:14 They did it in many of the South American. So the fact that you have this criminal element that was 100 percent groomed and cultivated by the CIA as part of the JFK narrative with the car trip from Miami up through New Orleans, as you mentioned, they throw that one girl out and Garrison gets her to interview and then they go on to Dallas. I want you to talk about that angle just a little bit.

30:45 Sure. Yeah. Lots of stuff going on with the Cuban exiles. I agree with your assessment that the poor Cubans were not the ones that were getting out as exiles. Yes, that's true. It's funny. Every time you look at a Cuban exile and you study the person, they're always like a senator or something. You know what I mean? Like whatever the equivalent is in Cuba. But at any rate.

31:14 Yeah. I'm trying to think even where to start on the Cuban exile side of things. Let's talk about Rose Jeremy really quick because you just brought that up. That was – and we'll come right back to the Cubans because they're super involved in the story of the JFK assassination. Rose Jeremy, this is the story that leads off the movie JFK. And that one for me –

31:42 historically it was always one that was rock solid as one of the strong, we talked about how I've got an upcoming episode on foreknowledge. And so Rose Jeremy is one of the prime examples of foreknowledge. And basically she, she gets into a fight with, with two guys, you know, two Cubans that were giving her a ride from Miami to Dallas. They stop at this bar called the Silver Slipper in Eunice, Louisiana, outside of Baton Rouge.

32:12 And she gets into a fight with the men. They leave her. She gets hit by a car. She may have been thrown out of a car. It's not really clear. She gets taken to the hospital by a good Samaritan. She's freaking out because she's on she's having heroin withdrawals. And they then call the state police to take her from the hospital to the East Louisiana State, the East Louisiana State Hospital, which is a mental institution. And on the two hour drive on that drive.

32:41 They gave her a sedative before. So she calmed down on that drive. She starts talking about, you know, they're going to kill the president in Dallas. The guys I was with are going to kill the president to to this state state police officer named Francis Frugia. And long story short, she gets to the hospital. She tells some hospital people like she tells this doctor supposedly and two other people who are on the record that.

33:04 that kennedy was going to be killed in dallas before it happened so she's saying and nobody believes her because she's a crazy drug addict right um and then kennedy's killed and they go back and ask her and she's like i don't have any specific information it was just sort of word on the street years later a couple years later uh she she gets killed while trying to hitchhike so i've uh i've studied this and um because again i'm looking at what are the counter arguments

33:30 There are some counter arguments to that case and that the two main people, Francis Frugier and Dr. Weiss, basically their story that she told them in advance, they didn't tell Garrison that in the 1967 documents, but they do tell the HSC that in 78. So it's like, but for me, it always comes back to.

33:51 So the main argument that lone nutters, lone gunman theory defenders or this what they're affectionately called people who defend the Warren report, their main argument is, you know, these witnesses are making things up. They're doing it for fame or for clout or whatever. But at a certain point, when you're saying that witnesses are making things up and they have a coordinated statement like.

34:15 That that's more conspiratorial than the conspiracy to me. And so I almost as I studied this, I almost came to a point where I'm like, I don't know, this Rose Jeremy thing may not be real, but let me bring it back to the Cubans for you. But then there's one thing that puts me so I land on slightly more than inconclusive for her. I do think that there's something to her foreknowledge. But but and here's why. Here's why. There's a lady in in Pennsylvania who.

34:44 is renting out a apartment to this Cuban doctor. Okay. And he burns trash in the backyard. Okay. Like just this one, how he gets rid of trash. Well, underneath her house where sort of the debris from burning this trash would sometimes get blown. She finds a newspaper clipping. Okay. And on the new, and this is, this is in October of 1963, the newspaper clipping says Jack Ruby on the top, right?

35:14 Lee Oswald in the center, top center. On the bottom, it says Dallas, Texas, and there's a phone number. And then the top left, it says Silver Slipper. The Silver Slipper was the name of the lounge that Rose Jeremy was originally found at. So I just don't understand how, you know.

35:37 this person could have found that. Now, of course the counter argument is everybody who said that is lying, but again, but that's really specific information. And also they could not have known about the name of the silver slipper at the time they did it. It was not public information. So, so anyway, that that's the Cubans. There's a whole story about what is the theory of you know, the ultimate theory that involves the Cubans. We can talk about that. We can talk about what the Cubans were doing with Lee Oswald in new Orleans, which way you want to go.

36:06 Well, let me just make this comment here. The recognized spokesperson for the government in exile. Are you still there? It looks like your screen. OK, so the government in exile for Cuba was in New York. So during the Bay of Pigs invasion, all of the press releases that were supposedly coming from this.

36:35 body in New York, they had actually been picked up by the CIA and transported to Miami and held hostage. It was the CIA during the Bay of Pigs that was actually releasing these messages and not this supposed New York, of which a couple were doctors in this group during the research that I was doing for Operation Gladio. So that's number one, which I find very interesting based on what you just said. But also,

37:04 Let me just throw this out there for, and it can just simmer as you're going on about the Cuban exiles. We found in a book by a man by the name, he's a retired intelligence officer from the Air Force, Major Gannis, G-A-N-I-S. He wrote a book called Skorzeny's Papers. And in Skorzeny's Papers,

37:29 Part of Operation Gladios, Skorzeny was General Galen's trainer for the original concept of Operation Gladios stay-behind units, which were called werewolf units in Germany during World War II for the Germans. They put them in Romania, they put them in Yugoslavia, they put them in Ukraine.

37:52 of which Bandera was in charge of, which are now the Azov Battalion in the right sector. So that's how all of this translates into what's happening today. So Otto Skorzeny was one of the trainers for Bandera and Mikolo Ledved back in the day, in the immediate aftermath and during World War II. So you have Otto Skorzeny, that is Reinhard Galen, his boss.

38:21 who are picked up, put into Bavaria in Austria and protected. Galen is then installed as the BND director, Alan Dulles' counterpart for West Germany in the denazified, although he's an SS officer, West German government of Chancellor Adenhauer. And then you have Otto Skorzeny, who was picked up and moved to Paris, which is where NATO's headquarters was originally from. NATO runs Operation Gladio.

38:50 He's found because he has this large scar on his face. He's discovered operating out of Paris. So they relocate him to Franco's fascist Spain, Madrid, where he's protected. And they run the terrorist training camps in Sardinia, Italy, in the Canary Islands off the coast of Spain.

39:13 They pick all of these islands all over the European theater to train these stay behind Gladio operators to work inside domestically of NATO countries to control the population, the politics and everything else. So they create domestic terror in order to control people. So what's interesting about all of that is Otto Skorzeny.

39:42 during one of their operations, works with the terrorist element in France called OAS. OAS tried over 20 times to assassinate Charles de Gaulle. Charles de Gaulle and JFK was working on freeing Algeria, which pissed off everybody in this terrorist network because CIA, along with the OAS and the French intelligence forces, were trying to subvert Charles de Gaulle.

40:11 freeing Algeria, which is a country in Africa, trying to give them their independence because there were elements in France and elements of Frenchmen in Algeria that did not want to free the population, the African population in Algeria. So JFK stood with Charles de Gaulle in the freeing of Algeria, which pissed off the CIA. It pissed off everybody.

40:40 Those OAS agents, two of them, were found on the ground on November 22nd, 1963, in Dallas, Texas. Now, they're assassins. They were trained by Otto Skorzeny. These are the same two guys, by the way, that were in Congo when they kidnapped Lumumba and boiled him in acid after they shot him.

41:07 They're the same people that tried to shoot Charles DeGaulle. They're the same people that tried to blow his car up. Over 20 times they tried to assassinate him. Two of them were in Dallas, Texas. Now you can go. Yeah, that's a lot of good information. Yeah, Otto Skorzeny, there is a book that recently came out that really goes deep into him. It's written by...

41:33 Herb Albaretti, I believe the guy's name is. I can't think of the name of the book, but that's one that I'd like to dive into as I get to season three. And I mean, yeah, you know, if not Oswald, then who? That's what we're going to look at in season three. There's a lot of characters to go through, a lot of institutions to go through. But at the end of the day.

41:56 The French OAS assassins are ones you got to consider on the list for sure. So we'll be looking at those guys as well. Is one of those guys Suter? What's his name? Yeah, I'd have to look up their names. I have them in my other notes. Anyway, so yeah, that's – look.

42:22 We got to look under every rock. You know what I mean? And some of them aren't going to be conclusive. I don't know that we're going to end up going, oh, it was this guy standing on the grassy knoll. I do think that the grassy knoll shooter was posing as a Secret Service agent.

42:39 just because there's a Secret Service agent standing in the exact spot where the four guys on the overpass say that they saw smoke and they ran over to. And then there are three people, including two cops, who said they spoke to this guy who showed a Secret Service ID, but there was no Secret Service that was stationed outside the motorcade, which is crazy that there wasn't, but there was none. So let me just point out, too, that that's not unusual in all of Operation Gladio.

43:10 You find the CIA and their assets with the entire Portugal element of Operation Gladio was called a gender press. A gender press is notorious for producing those credentials. They had the ability and the printing capability to do any kind of passports around the world, any kind of credentials. So the CIA is known.

43:39 for um pretending to be senior military officers they are notorious for being fbi agents they're notorious for being dea agents and they're notorious for being irs agents so the fact that they would and didn't we just have some people arrested for posing to be secret service i mean they're like telling us right in front of us that all of this stuff is plausible yeah

44:03 Yeah, and I believe – I don't have the facts in front of me at the moment, but I believe it's in my episode five or six, one of the early episodes. The CIA was responsible for printing the Secret Service credentials at the time. It wasn't the Secret Service. They farmed it out to the CIA. So anyway –

44:26 Yeah, I don't I can't really speak on Skorzeny, but I think it's something that I need to cover for sure. And I'm aware of it. I need to read more about that. Back to the Cubans. And here's one thing I didn't say about this Cuban doctor that, you know, burned the had the fire and the silver slipper newspaper thing that survived him burning that fire. I forgot to mention that this doctor's brother in law was the chief of security for Batista.

44:56 Fun fact. OK, that might that might have been a headline as far as Cuban exiles and the Kennedy assassination. I mean, it's a huge topic. But just what I've covered so far, what I can speak to competently is really the time in New Orleans and Oswald's relationship with these with these Cuban exiles. Because what's interesting about Oswald is that publicly he's this Marxist.

45:22 pro castro guys handing out fair play for cuba materials um and then but privately when when we look at witness statements of who he was hanging out with he's he's hanging out with these pro castro people right and uh the counterpoint from the other side is is either

45:43 Those people are all lying. There's like 15 of them. OK, it's either they're all lying or it's they're not lying. He was hanging out with them, but he was doing it because he wanted to infiltrate the anti Castro side, really, whatever. So so, yeah, he he's seen multiple times with Sergio Arcacha Smith in in New Orleans. And Sergio Arcacha Smith was the head of the.

46:09 I forget the exact organization, but they were basically a group that that funded they got funds from the CIA to to, you know, support fighting against Castro. And the main thing Oswald's doing in the summer of 1963 is he's handed he's working for Guy Bannister to try to infiltrate leftist groups now.

46:34 OK, Guy Bannister is a private investigator. Can we really say that that's what he was doing? Isn't he a private eye? Well, no. He turned down all the private eye work that came into him. And he had about eight guys working for him who were college age guys whose job.

46:50 was to infiltrate leftist groups. His only, Bannister's only client was, well, not his only client. One of his biggest clients was Sergio Arcacha-Smith because he would do background checks on anybody who would try to join Arcacha-Smith's group. And Arcacha-Smith is David Ferry's best friend. So to the extent there's David Ferry, he's sort of in the center of everything between the Cuban exiles.

47:15 CIA and in the mafia because he's he's a pilot. He's Carlos Marcello's personal pilot. But Oswald is seen at Cuban exile training camps. And there's actually a video that's been that was shown to the HSCA investigators of a film of Oswald and Guy Bannister with Cuban exiles at a training camp. OK.

47:44 On top of that, one of the trainers, a guy named Monkey Morales, I forget his real name, but he goes by Monkey Morales. He told his son that he trained Oswald at this camp. And he, without a doubt, was a leader in the Cuban exile world. His son's got a book that's coming out on that soon, Ricardo Morales Jr. But yeah, the big picture on the Cuban exile is just to kind of cut to the chase.

48:12 one of the leading theories let's say about about what happened and i don't want to speak out of turn and i'm not just to be clear like i don't have the receipts for this yet i will next season but i don't i don't have the receipts for this at this moment but just from reading the literature um the idea is that there was a pre-existing operation with that involved the cia working with cuban exiles to try to kill fidel castro

48:39 And this is not disputed. JM Wave was a station it ran out of in Miami. And the name of this operation was ZR Rifle. Bill Harvey was one of the leaders of it. There's a lot of folks involved in it, but Harvey is one of the main guys. And they had some mafia folks involved in this as well to help Ricardo Monkey Morales. That's right. They had some mafia folks involved to help with...

49:09 the procuring the best assassins they could find. And the idea is they took this operation that was supposed to be to kill Castro in a, in a crossfire, in a vehicle, in a parade. Okay. And they took that and they turned it on Kennedy. That's the idea. And it was compartmentalized. Nobody really knew about it. So it was easy to get away with, you know, so, so that's, that's really the question, but that's.

49:34 The question is, what started it? What started the I mean, this is the big question. You know, if it was a conspiracy, who's the one who decided to do it? And I think that's where there's a little bit of disagreement in the JFK credible expert world. You know, Larry Hancock, he's he's a very reputable researcher, has been doing this for 35 years. He thinks that basically these guys did it on their own.

50:02 Like these guys being the Cuban exiles, CIA, mafia, they all had – they were so mad after Bay of Pigs that they did it on their own. John Newman, he's pretty certain that the generals are behind it and that basically the generals had a – you'll know more about this than me, but there's like a – not a board, but there's some governing body that –

50:28 Alan Dulles was on at the same time as the joint chiefs. Okay. When he was director of CIA. And so he, he obviously regularly interacted with, with CIA. So it wouldn't be, I think my, probably my working theory, if I had to guess going into season three without, without having any receipts and just totally spit ball. And if I had to guess, I would say it was probably the generals that got it rolling with Dulles. They knew Dulles had been ousted and they knew Dulles was aware of this compartmentalized operation that others weren't aware of.

50:58 And so they sort of used that tool of ZR rifle against Kennedy and then put Dulles in place to to clean everything up for the Warren Commission. So, yeah. All right. So let me go from there. And I just want to add a couple of things. Ferrari was a member of the Civil Air Patrol in the New Orleans area. Lee Harvey Oswald was in one of his Civil Air Patrol flights.

51:26 And just so everybody knows, there is a common belief, and you can find many researchers' verifications of this, that that was a group of people that were homosexuals.

51:54 And that they preyed on young kids in the Civil Air Patrol in the New Orleans area. So I'm just throwing that out there. That's common knowledge. I also want to comment on the fact that in New Orleans, the last remaining interface between the United States from a commerce perspective was a shipping company that was owned by Cubans in New Orleans.

52:22 And they are the ones that were basically shipping amongst goods being imported into Cuba before they cut off all supplies, weapons in the lead up to several of these operations. They were using that shipping company. So what I came away from after reading Final Judgment, and I still believe this with all of the research I've done in Operation Gladio.

52:52 I think just as I do with Watergate, that the Cuban exiles had an intricate role, but they were not the actual operators. Could you have found one or two assassins? Yeah. I mean, Felix Rodriguez was an assassin that were deployed there as part of a package. Absolutely. But I believe that there was so much effort put into blaming the Cuban exiles that.

53:20 In any operation that they have, they have layers of blame before you get to the CIA. I believe that the Cuban exiles were one of those layers of blame, just for the record. So let me go to your comment about the generals. So I did a list of, and these are just off the top of my head this morning. This is not a conclusive list.

53:49 of Operation Gladio that JFK was associated with when he knew nothing about Operation Gladio. And I will tell you why I know he knew nothing about Operation Gladio. Now, normally the intel agencies, if someone was elected or installed in the presidency, that was not their choice, like an actual election. Like JFK's election was kind of very irregular because he was not.

54:18 the one that was going to win. Nixon was, right? Nixon was the vice president for Eisenhower. Nixon was going to be the 1960 shoe-in sworn in in 1961, just to follow on with what they were doing. At the last minute, JFK's dad does a deal with the mafia. We are not going to prosecute you. We need you to sway all these union people, vote for my son, blah, blah, blah. JFK, I believe,

54:46 got in office with RFK and was overwhelmed by the criminality of our government and decided to renege on that deal. He could not in good conscience go along with the criminality that he found inside our government. So that's what I've come away with. So at no time, because he never met the criteria of being corrupt, was he read in on Operation Gladio.

55:12 Operation Gladio at the time is being ran out of NATO. Now, keep in mind, Eisenhower, who is corrupt as hell, that bullshit about his military industrial complex speech at the end was a confession that he set the damn thing up. That was not a warning to anyone. I'm just telling you out front. Eisenhower was basically functioned from the commanding general in Europe, transitioned into like the first head of NATO. So he helped set it up.

55:40 and then eventually becomes president, administers it, use it to assassinate Lumumba, among many other heads of state around the world. While he is the president, he is using the CIA to assassinate people on behalf of what I call an international syndicate. The international syndicate is a group of industry, banking, religious, politicians, foundations, and law dynasties.

56:09 that run the world. And that is a creation from the Fabian Society over in England, which they tell you in the late 1800s, they're going to create a one world government. They said that in the 1800s. They're going to have three world wars to do it. And it's just a matter of fact. And they even get into details on how they're going to do it, setting up the World Bank.

56:33 setting up the Bank of International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks, setting up a UN, which started as the League of Nations, blah, blah, blah. So when you look at all of that, and then you have JFK, who probably other than Trump is one of the only people that weren't installed as a president. You have his support of Charles de Gaulle in Algeria, which we already talked about. You have him holding Israel accountable in the nuclear weapons area.

57:01 Totally pissed off Ben-Gurion to the point where he showed him down and said, you are going to have an inspection or you're never getting another penny from the United States. So the entire Israel and by default, UK, because UK created Israel, pissed all of them off. Then you have Sukarno in Indonesia. This is one that no one ever talks about. But Sukarno.

57:28 Indonesia, known to only Alan Dulles, the Rockefellers, and the Dutch royalty, and a few people in UK, was sitting on the largest composite finding of gold and oil. Oil so pure that it doesn't even need a refinery. You can pump it out of the ground and use it instantly. The largest world find ever. It was found in the 1930s.

57:58 But through a bunch of little switcheroos, it was never made public. Only a handful of people knew that that was in Indonesia. They couldn't expose the fact that it was there until they controlled it. So Sullivan and Cromwell, through Standard Oil, through Rockefeller, manipulated the creation of a company that owned 60% of...

58:23 The Dutch and UK own the 40%. They go over there and overthrow the government of Sukarno as soon as JFK is assassinated. Okay. And JFK had already committed to visiting Sukarno in January of 1964. So in the fall, July through September, his office is working to set up a trip in January.

58:52 to recognize Sukarno in a partnership. Well, if that happens, they can't overthrow Sukarno. They will not have the support internal to Indonesia. And the CIA is dead set on making sure that trip never happens. So you have Indonesia. Then you have Cuba. Cuba, Kennedy was working behind the scenes to acknowledge Castro, acknowledge Cuba, and reopen negotiations.

59:22 business with Cuba, okay? That pissed off everybody. As much as they think that they want, they did not want it under Castro because they didn't control Castro. So that was not going to be allowed to happen. He used a couple of people. He used William Atwood, but he also used a guy by the name of McGeorge Bundy. And if you follow McGeorge Bundy,

59:47 He's a skull and bones. He's toes so deep state. It's not even funny. And these are the guys that would have been working with Alan Dulles behind the scenes to out JFK fact that he's trying to undermine their rifle operation to overthrow Castro. So unbeknownst to JFK, he is, or maybe.

1:00:10 known to JFK. He's undermining every single thing Alan Dulles has spent the last 50 years orchestrating. Right. He's he's literally shattering the CIA and no one has put this all together. So you've got Dem coming to power in Vietnam. Right. You've got the Vietnam thing. And why are they doing Vietnam? Sullivan and Cromwell, Alan Dulles and that whole they want control of the drug trade.

1:00:39 They've got Chiang Kai-shek that they just installed in Taiwan. William Polly again from Cuba is he has the Curtis aircraft franchise in Asia. He is equipping Chiang Kai-shek with an air force. He is building the fighters. He's building the cargoes. And they're all going to be used as part of the Flying Tiger, Claire Chanel, China Lobby, all of that stuff.

1:01:02 to create the world's largest drug trafficking network to pay for black ops for Operation Gladion. OK, so this all comes to full. Paul Halliwell spent the World War II beside Chiang Kai-shek, watching him fight Mao for China and losing, funding his operation by selling opium.

1:01:26 Paul Helliwell calls Alan Dulles and Bill Salt while Bill Donovan and says, hey, I got an idea. If we set this Gladio shit up in NATO, we can pay for it all off book selling heroin, selling cocaine. We'll do it just like Chiang Kai-shek does. Well, where do they put Chiang Kai-shek? In Formosa and turn the sign around and call it Taiwan. Taiwan was the world's largest drug dealer when it was set up as a dictatorship, not a democracy.

1:01:56 You have Congo. Congo has Lumumba. They just elected him in 1960. He's sitting on the world's largest supply of uranium. Why is that important? Well, because we just created nuclear power. And Belgium, who was the colonizer of the Congo, had sole exclusive rights on the uranium. And they had already agreed to sell 100% of it to the United States, but they got their cut.

1:02:24 So when Lumumba comes to power, he was actually elected prime minister for the country of Congo. He came to the United States and wanted to meet with Eisenhower. Eisenhower gave him the middle finger and said, if you want to meet with Nixon, you can, but I'm not going to see you. I don't recognize you. So he meets with Richard Nixon and he says, look.

1:02:46 I need the money to build schools. Like 5% of the population from having been a colony of Belgium for 300 years was uneducated. So I need hospitals. I need schools. I need all this stuff to create a viable country. Richard Nixon told him to pound sand. His proposal to Richard Nixon was, I'll sell you 100% of the uranium. I just want Belgium's cut because I'm now the prime minister, not Belgium. He wasn't going to not.

1:03:16 Give us the uranium. Richard Nixon sent him home and told him to pound sand. So he fires all of the Belgian people that's in the military, basically running his military. And the Belgians tell him, oh, no, you can hire all the enlisted people you want, but we're still going to be the officers in your military. And Lumumba goes, oh, hell no, you're not. And so what they do is they create a civil war using the CIA and who?

1:03:45 Otto Skorzeny. In Katanga, this tiny little area that has all of the gold, diamonds, and uranium in Congo is in one state called Katanga. They create a civil war there. Belgium builds and NATO builds its largest NATO facility ever built around these mines. And they guard them using Otto Skorzeny's resources.

1:04:13 declare a breakaway country and basically starve Lumumba of any resource to do anything. They completely destabilize the Congo. They kidnap him, they kill him, they boil him in acid, blah, blah, blah. So now you've, and that happened in January as Kennedy's coming, Kennedy's already run the election. January 1961, CIA loves to run operations in the change of administrations.

1:04:43 So they murder Lumumba. You've got the UN guy, Dog Homestot, who flies down to try to solve it. They assassinate him. They blow his airplane up. And then we get to your story, the generals. Operation Northwood. Operation Northwood was the beginning draft of that happened between Alan Dulles and a man called General Lyman Lemonsker. Now let's go back and find where we first come across Lyman Lemonsker. Lyman Lemonsker.

1:05:14 worked for who during World War II? Eisenhower in Europe as his logistician, okay? So he would have been present while they were formulating the plan to lay in Operation Gladio with Alan Dulles, who was OSS at the time in Europe with Wild Bill Donovan. So he knows all about Operation Gladio. He's sitting as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

1:05:43 Kennedy, having had fired Alan Dulles for not doing what he was supposed to do in the Bay of Pigs and disobeying Kennedy, is looking at Lyman Lemonsker when he comes to him with a plan called Operation Northwood. Operation Northwood is an Operation Gladio plan to use Cuban exiles to blow up landmarks and people inside the United States.

1:06:14 dressed as Cuban military in order to justify a ground war with Cuba. Okay. Lyman Lemonsker was willing to sacrifice not only population inside the United States, but then to commit an entire military war against Cuba to retake the island. And it all stemmed back. It included proposals for false flags of sinking aircraft or sinking ships.

1:06:43 like they did with the USS Liberty a little later on after they murdered JFK. It included, oh, operating drone aircraft into buildings. That was in the plan too. So that plan was presented to McNamara. McNamara didn't go, are you out of your effing mind? No, no. He went with Lemonsker to present it to JFK.

1:07:13 JFK said, are you out of your effing mind? We're not going to do that. So Lyman Lemonsker was coming up on his second year as the chairman and they normally get or the end of his chairmanship and they normally get two tenures there. JFK said not only no, but hell no. But he had just suffered the whole bay of pigs and he didn't want to be seen firing a rebel revered.

1:07:42 So he tells Lyman Lemonsker, you can't stay there. I don't trust you anymore. But do you know where he put him? In charge of NATO. Because he doesn't know about Operation Gladio. So Lyman Lemonsker is the NATO commander where Otto Skorzeny is training OAS people, deploying them to Dallas. Lyman Lemonsker is the guy in charge of NATO at the time that happened.

1:08:14 Quick question. When did Lemnitzer start to work with NATO? Well, that's a whole. Let me preface my answer with this. Lyman Lemnitzer, when he shows up, they are still in the midst of trying to assassinate Charles de Gaulle. He gets called to Charles de Gaulle's office.

1:08:44 And Charles de Gaulle, because most people don't know, NATO was originally in Paris. That's where it was originally set up. After the, you know, 10th time of them trying to assassinate, and Charles de Gaulle knows that this is being ran out of NATO. About the 10th time they tried to assassinate him.

1:09:06 He has Lyman Lemesker come to his office and he says, you've got six months. Pack your shit up and get the hell out of here. I don't care where you go. He pulled France out of NATO. And France did not rejoin NATO at the political level again until 2009. So most people don't even know that even happened. So let's see. 1962 is when he went to NATO.

1:09:37 Wow. Wow. There we go. Yeah, that's something. I mean, yeah, the Operation Northwoods is just totally bonkers. And, you know, killing innocent Americans is like JFK correctly acknowledged is not something that should be on the table. I mean, domestically, it's wild. I, for one, I'm just glad that they stopped doing false flags since then. And there's never been a false flag ever.

1:10:09 That's what we're told in the corporate press. So, man, we really dodged a bullet because imagine what would have happened if they would have done false flags. That would have really been terrible. Sarcasm. All right. So one thing that's worth pointing out while we're talking about the generals, and this is something that I've learned more as I dove into the work of Dr. John Newman, who, again, he's just this guy's just going through.

1:10:35 declassified documents, and he's an expert in the field. And he uncovered that Kennedy was told in 1961, after the Bay of Pigs, that just looking at nuclear preparedness and the nuclear arsenals of the United States and the Soviet Union, the United States had more weapons.

1:11:02 They had the advantage. But the Soviets were really starting to build up. And they circled on the calendar the fall of 1963 would be the time when the United States would have the biggest nuclear advantage. And it would be sort of the last point where we could do a first strike against the Soviets and wipe them off the map and basically blow up half of the world, the Soviet Union and China. They wanted to include China, too.

1:11:32 And the idea was, let's just kill everyone and then we don't have to worry about them. And then we can be the dominant hegemons of the world forever. And now the downside is they are going to lob some nukes at us. We're going to lose about 15 percent of the population and there'll be some places we can never go in the United States again because of radiation. But, you know, the generals were tasked with looking at this first strike.

1:12:02 and, you know, doing that exercise. So to me, it's obviously bonkers. You're talking about Armageddon. But the working logic inside of the Department of Defense at the time was, hey, whoever gets these weapons first wins. And, you know, if someone launches it, we can launch another one at them. But, you know, whoever strikes first is going to win. It's like a prisoner's dilemma, right? But then it's just, to me, it's the question of, like, are you evil or are you good?

1:12:29 How do you say you're a force for good in the world when you're like, we're just going to murder hundreds of millions of people? So anyway, a lot of the generals wanted to do that. They wanted to do this nuclear annihilation plan. And, you know, Newman lays out that part of the JFK assassination was, you know, let's use Oswald to frame.

1:12:52 Russia, Soviet Union and Cuba, so that it could look like, you know, they did it. And then we could we could have our our, you know, logic for domestic politics to allow us to do a first strike. LBJ came in and he famously said right after the assassination, I wonder if the nukes are flying yet. Like he thought, you know, are they going to shoot one at us because they think we're going to shoot one at them?

1:13:20 But, yeah, so LBJ kind of got cold feet when he came in. He decided, hey, we're not going to do a nuclear first strike, but I will give you guys Vietnam. Go ahead and do Vietnam. Let's just put all this on Oswald, and we're going to forget about Oswald meeting with the head of assassinations for the KGB in Mexico City because, you know, that would force us into a world war, and I'd like to be president some.

1:13:46 So I can, you know, take a poop and make the journalist listen to me. Or maybe he led them on that he was going to do it. And once they did what he needed them to do, he decided that he wasn't going to do that. And now I'm in charge and I'm going to do whatever the hell I want. Yes, I think that's a fair interpretation also. And hey, while I'm talking about Newman, just one more thing. And this is a funny, you know.

1:14:16 I have these recap and rebuttal episodes, and I'll just call somebody who's an expert in the case. A lot of times I don't know them, and we just kind of go off the dome. I have them kind of respond to points that I brought up in each different episode. Newman wanted to prepare in depth. I haven't interviewed him yet, but I have him coming up. So I've had a few pre-calls with him, and it kind of gave me trouble for not having read his book, Uncovering Popov's Mole.

1:14:46 I'm asking him about Mexico City. And it's a book that came out in the end of 2022. And I'm like, sorry, man, I just haven't read it yet. And he's like, well, you really need to read that so you don't embarrass yourself. And, you know, fair enough. So I did. And wow, here's what I found. Here's the headline. You're going to like this. If you guys haven't heard the story of Uncovering Popov's Mole, this is wild stuff, okay? Again, it's a book right here.

1:15:15 Uncovering Popov's mole. There you go. Anyway, so here's the deal. So KGB, CIA, spy wars, each side's trying to have a mole in the other agency, like a double agent so they can know what's going on. Well, this guy named Popov is a KGB defector in place, so he's giving us secrets while we're giving him money.

1:15:41 And he gets found out by the KGB, and he gets executed. Shortly before that happens, he tells his CIA handler, hey, you guys have a mole at the top of the agency because the KGB knows everything about the U2 spy program. So you got a horrible leak at the top of the agency. So that started the hunt for Popov's mole. That's why it's called Popov's mole. This guy Popov told people about him. Popov's mole was never found.

1:16:09 It was never discovered. So throughout the whole Cold War, the KGB had somebody at the top of the CIA. They knew everything. Now here's where it gets fun, and this is where Oswald's involved. And this is how we know with 1,000% certainty that Oswald was not just a lone nut that defected to the Soviet Union because he loved communism. It's settled. This is done. So here's how we know. A guy named Pete Bagley, Tenant Pete Bagley is his name.

1:16:39 He worked for Soviet Affairs and the CIA, and his boss was the guy that was doing the mole hunt. His boss was a guy named Bruce Sully. John Newman has proven, I think conclusively, that Bruce Sully was the mole. Now, here's where it gets fun. The person who was in charge of the mole hunt.

1:17:08 was Bruce Sully. So the guy that's in charge of the mole hunt is the mole. Now here's where it gets even more fun. Oswald was bait that was used by Bruce Sully. So we now know why Oswald went to the Soviet Union. Bruce Sully sent him there because the idea is, let's send this guy there and have him go into the American embassy and defect.

1:17:34 We know the American embassy is bugged, and we know the Soviets are listening to everything that we say there. So we're going to put on a play for them. And he's going to come in and say, I'm going to tell the Soviets everything we know about the U-2 spy plane. And I worked at the U-2 base in Atsugi, and so I know all this stuff. I'm going to tell them everything. And the reason that's interesting is because – so what they're trying to do is get the Soviets to then go ask their mole and the CIA, hey, what's going on with this Oswald guy?

1:18:04 And Sully's argument to everyone around him as to why he's doing this is like, look, we're going to have – we send this Oswald guy in with the U2 secrets. And then whoever the mole is inside the CIA is going to start asking about Oswald and they'll identify themselves. Well, of course, Sully didn't start asking about Oswald to others because he's the one running the thing. So that is why Oswald went there. Now, how do we know this is true? How am I – is this just some guy saying this? Well, John Newman took all these documents that he thought established –

1:18:32 These two factual assertions I'm making, one, that Oswald was sent there by the CIA, specifically Bruce Sully, and two, that Bruce Sully was Popov's mole. He takes these documents to a still alive tenant, Pete Bagley, the guy who was there, the guy who he was the expert in the world who will know what all these documents mean. And Bagley said with certainty Sully was Popov's mole. And based on all the documentation, Oswald must have been a witting.

1:19:01 false defector. He knew what he was doing. He was there on an operation. So to me, that was one of the biggest things I've learned. So shout out to John Newman. And I deserved his comments. So I would also add just from my, I ran the passport program at the military installation I was at in Italy. I understand. I'm not even in.

1:19:29 a hostile country. I'm in Italy. I know what it takes to get in and out of the country. There's no way that Oswald went over there and married a local and then came. There's no part of that. If you've ever worked in that process, no part of that is true. Well, the CIA has a document that's been declassified. It's titled 29 Reasons Why Marina Oswald Works for the KGB.

1:20:02 So the CIA thought she was KGB. And yeah, she she was what they call the swallow. Basically, she was a prostitute and and who worked for the KGB. And she wanted to. So she was told to go befriend Oswald by the KGB. From there, the question of what happened after that.

1:20:25 You know, she did want to get out of the Soviet Union. So she really did want to leave. And she just, you know, she she didn't want to be forced to do what she was doing. Once she got to the United States, she didn't she did not work with with the KGB anymore. This is all from Popov's mall. But she was she was. And she just so happened.

1:20:51 to end up with George DeMorganshield, which is where we started. Yeah, she certainly spent some time with DeMorganshield. And, you know, he, yeah, just like Ruth Payne, you know, DeMorganshield, these people, DeMorganshield, they're just, they're all about the Oswalt. You ever meet a friend, a new friend, and you're like, this person's a little clingy. We just met, you're calling me, you're calling me again. It's like, I like you, you're fine.

1:21:22 But no, I can't have a cookout this weekend and next weekend and hang out with you this weekend and have dinner tomorrow. It's just, just knowing what we know about like how humans interact, there are clingy people, but, but it's just, it's just like, it's a lot to, you know, Ruth Payne in particular, just to pivot to Ruth Payne for a second. And I get a lot of pushback about talking about Ruth Payne because people think that, you know, this is a living woman and you're just sullying her name and you're, you know.

1:21:52 defaming her. I'm an attorney, so I really don't want to be sued for defamation. So I try really hard to not make any of those claims. Although, although the discovery process would be fascinating if she did, but you know, it's, there are just this long list of all these things that looked really bad. And she just goes, nah, wasn't me. I didn't do it. She's like, yeah, that's true. But I just did it. Cause I'm nice. Or yes, we know all the, yes, my, you know, my husband's

1:22:18 Uh, uh, mother's best friend was Alan Dulles's mistress. Sure. But you know, that means nothing. Or, um, uh, there's, this is great. There's a guy named Osborne who is a character witness for the pains. Okay. And he's presents this affidavit. Uh, I forget his first name. Well, that guy's dad was Dulles's best friend in Princeton at Princeton.

1:22:39 They started Radio Free, like the junior version of Radio Free Europe together, and they started some other stuff. And that guy's dad, his memoirs are at Princeton. He wrote Alan Dulles over 60 letters in his life. I mean, so there's just too much. Ruth Payne's sister was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency. Her dad was an executive for USAID. Her brother-in-law was an executive for USAID.

1:23:07 Um, you know, and they get, people get mad that I bring, look, if Ruth Payne did, I'll say this for there to have been a conspiracy, I do think Ruth Payne would have had to be involved. Um, but if there wasn't a conspiracy, which again, we know with certainty, I mean, I'll tell you the biggest conspiracy facts that I, that I feel the most confident about is, is two things. Oswald was intelligence and Oswald was impersonated.

1:23:33 And I feel confident about some other things to different varying degrees, but those things I've staked my life on as no doubt whatsoever. So, and I would stake my life on, he did not operate alone. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. But, but, but yeah, Ruth Payne, I mean, she just generates because the whole thing, she keeps begging Marina to live with her so that Lee and Marina and their kid are getting ready to go to new Orleans.

1:24:01 which is a whole different thing. Why did he get called to New Orleans? Is that kind of where it got started? Because this is when he starts really publicly showing that he's Marxist, but privately he's hanging out with Guy Bannister and David Ferry. But anyway, they get ready to leave to go to the bus to New Orleans. And as they're going out the door to go to the bus station, Ruth Payne happens to show up.

1:24:24 what are the chances she shows up and then she goes hey lee why don't you just go to the bus station and they can come live with me for for a little while until you're in new orleans so that kind of sets the precedent she'd only known them for six weeks so she asked and she and she has uh two little kids at home also all right so in her tiny house um

1:24:46 So anyway, and then, of course, they get back and she asked Marina to live with her and says, hey, I'm going to help you with the baby because Marina's pregnant. But by doing that, by having Marina live with her and having Oswald put his belongings in the garage, now there's a home base and you just got a, you know.

1:25:08 hat that you keep pulling rabbits out of that's in, oh, look at this. Look, it's a backyard photo. Look, it's the camera for the backyard photo. Oh, look, it's this incriminating letter that you wrote. But I'll also say some of these things like the incriminating letter and even the backyard photos, it's hard to tell if they're authentic. There are lots of arguments against their authenticity. I cover 10 reasons why the backyard photos may not be legit. There's some real questions there. But at the same time, you've got to leave open the possibility that it was legit.

1:25:38 And some of the incriminating things that he wrote were also legit because he was being told to do them to further sheep dip himself to make it look like this because it was part of an operation that he thought he was infiltrating leftists. That's what he thought he was doing. So you got to be open minded to either outcome. But the bottom line is that it's not what the Warren report said. So let me just add this, because what you just said to me is.

1:26:06 one of the most profound things we've said in this entire hour and a half because of my personal experience. If you have people that you are manipulating for this greater purpose and you cannot tell them the entire greater purpose per you, which could be evil in nature.

1:26:33 You have to tell them enough to get them to do what it is that you want them to do. And the military, the CIA, and all of these government organizations have the ability to couch it all in compartmentalization. You can only know your part. So you go and you talk to service members who were participating in the aiding and abetting of terrorism.

1:27:00 in the support of the Contras in Nicaragua, the pilots will tell you that they were flying supplies in to help people defend themselves against communists. No, no, there was no communist anywhere in Nicaragua.

1:27:17 There were freedom fighters called Sandinistas that wanted their country back from an international syndicate. And there were assholes that the CIA was employing that they told you were the freedom fighters that were actually terrorists. And oh, by the way, the terrorists were shipping drugs in the aircraft on the way back. You just didn't know about it. So then in hindsight, because the pilots have participated in this, are they going to be the ones that steps up and goes?

1:27:46 Yeah, I flew drugs for the CIA or oh, yeah, I flew weapons that murdered people in hundreds of thousands of cases. No, they're not. Even when they find out that they were part of a nefarious operation, they're never going to say anything. As a matter of fact, many of them commit suicide because they are so overwhelmed by their role in something like this, which is why this is kind of like the.

1:28:15 the best orchestration and they do this to people, which we now have the name Patsy's for in the case of Lee Harvey Oswald, because they tell them just enough to seal their own grave. Yeah. I mean, preach. I'm with you. Here's one thing on that point that, that I think is illustrative about, about Lyndon Johnson and about

1:28:45 To your point, you're only telling people half the story. You're telling people enough to make them understand why they're doing something that otherwise they maybe wouldn't do. So the Mexico City story, the whole Mexico City idea, the point of that is to make it look like Oswald is tied to the Soviet Union so that they could escalate if they wanted to. But the problem is – so we have a –

1:29:10 A phone call the day after the assassination from J. Edgar Hoover to Lyndon Johnson. Now, most of these phone calls were recorded. We've got some great recorded phone calls. But this particular phone call, the original recording of it has been lost. But there's a transcript. Hey, there's a transcript. Now, you've got to trust the transcript. Now, here's where it's even more fun. The transcript, 14 minutes of the call is missing from the transcript. So 14 minutes, we don't know what Hoover and Johnson talked about.

1:29:40 But the part that is transcribed is really interesting. And that is where Johnson asks Hoover, he goes, what about Mexico City? What do we know about Oswald's trip down to Mexico City? And he goes, well, it seems that Oswald was visiting the Soviet consulate and the Cuban consulate. And, you know, so in other words, like he's going around.

1:30:04 talking to enemies and look, he's just killed Kennedy and he was talking to the Soviets. So it looks pretty bad. But then J. Edgar Hoover tells LBJ the headline, which is, but our agents in Dallas who have spoken to Oswald at the interrogation and who have seen him have looked at the photos of this man and have listened to the tapes and it's not the same man. It seems there is an imposter.

1:30:33 in Mexico City. So in other words, Hoover tells LBJ, yeah, Oswald's meeting with the Soviets. It looks bad. Now it's not the real Oswald. So now LBJ then, and LBJ doesn't follow up on that question. He doesn't go, what do you mean it's not the real Oswald? What do you mean they're being impersonated? See, you kind of have to love J. Edgar Hoover, even though he was a horrible person. But in the JFK assassination, his distrust of the CIA

1:31:02 and dislike of the CIA ends up being a corner of the carpet that we can pull up because it's not defensible from a defending the official record position. So anyway, so what's LBJ do? He talks to Richard Russell and Earl Warren to try to get them to serve on the commission. And they both say no. And there's this great audio tape of him explaining to Russell what he told Warren.

1:31:27 which is, he goes, I'm going to tell you a little, he goes, he told me he wasn't going to serve. And then I brought up to him a little incident in Mexico City that Hoover told me about that we got to take this out of the arena of talking about that it was Oswald and the Soviets because we're going to have 40 million Americans dead in a minute.

1:31:46 All right. So he he tells Russell, like, look, I need you to lie to your country to avoid a conspiracy because we got to put it on Oswald that it's just him. But what he and he specifically says that Hoover told him this and we have the transcript of Hoover telling him that. But he doesn't say the headline, which is it was an imposter. And this is that which would take us in a totally different direction in the investigation.

1:32:14 So to me, that was so LBJ knows some stuff going on. Now, the counterpoint to that is that LBJ knew that that Hoover was wrong and Hoover was mistaken. Good luck making that argument. Hoover's got memo after memo of all these agents that were there. And oh, by the way, after the fact, the CIA says that they never had a tape.

1:32:33 And they never had the photos. Even though there's cameras observing the embassy around the clock, they said that the camera wasn't functioning during the hours when Oswald came. Every time Oswald came, the cameras broke. So weird. And then they said that they lost the tapes, even though the head of the CIA station, station chief in Mexico City, Winston Scott.

1:32:56 says that there was a tape and he had it in his safe and James Angleton came and got it from him after he died. And oh, by the way, two of the Warren Commission investigators went to Mexico City and they told PBS Frontline, they're on the video, that they listened to the tape, but it wasn't Oswald. Huh? So is this the same camera company that has the cameras on Epstein and all of the cameras that don't work in every situation?

1:33:28 Yeah, I think the DNC also hired them for the pipe bomber, potentially. We'll have to see. What's nice about them is the materials just end up vanishing whenever you needed them the most. That's great. And what's really interesting is they end up in CIA assets like life or time safe, like the Zapruder tape.

1:33:58 Yeah, yeah. And the Zapruder film, that's a whole separate conversation because there's some evidence that it was doctored. Now, this is – look, I get flack from both sides, OK? I get flack from people saying, oh, you're a shill because whatever. I'll find some story that's like in the conspiracy lore to not really be accurate.

1:34:22 But I mostly get flack from folks on the other side that say, oh, you're a wild, crazy conspiracy theorist, yada, yada, yada. But I just brought that up. What was your point of your question? I lost the question. I just want to know when you have something as critical as a piece of evidence, how does it end up in a known CIA assets file safe as opposed to.

1:34:51 in a government evidence locker, because this is not the only time. Remember, we just had the recent thing with CrowdStrike, who gets the server from the DNC as opposed to the FBI. They are constantly doing this when they want you not to have the information. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think the argument people make is national security. They go, well, they told us that we...

1:35:21 You know, don't need to know about that. So there must be something they're protecting us from. But again, this is like a how do you view the world thing? I mean, I think most of the folks who are here maybe have a little bit of healthy skepticism about what the government tells them. But it can't be national security if you're giving it to a civilian company to put in their safe. I agree with you. I'm just saying that's what the argument. I mean, I agree completely.

1:35:51 But yeah, it doesn't make sense. The evidence in this case overall is a total mess, I'll say. But yeah. One thing I wanted to mention here. I need to hawk my book. JFK Assassination Chokeholds. We've got the Oliver Stone recommendation here on the front. This is a book that I wrote with James DiEugenio.

1:36:17 And Paul Blow, Andrew Eiler, Mark Adamczyk, a couple of lawyers. And we basically each took two topics. And it's kind of like an anthology. But long story short, it's the greatest hits of the strongest arguments for conspiracy that are not really disputed. The strongest bodies of evidence that really.

1:36:38 The only counterpoints for are, well, all the witnesses must have been wrong. You know what I mean? So yeah, that's that book, the JFK assassination chokeholds. I want to throw that out there. Thank you for doing that. And I highly recommend everybody get that because I do believe when Trump gets back in office, it's all going to be released. And the more information that we have going into this, the more we're either going to be able to validate and vet the information as it comes out because they do alter, as you just pointed out.

1:37:08 Even though they will release something, there is the potential that it has been altered. So the more information you can have going into looking and my philosophy when I was on active duty was always know the answer before you ask the question. And when that happens, when you have prepared yourself with the broadest.

1:37:29 amount of information on a subject and you go into a conversation like you and I just had, you are able to come away from that with a validation because this entire time, everything that you've said to me based on the information that I have, which is a different set of information than you have, because I came at it from a completely different angle, but every single thing meshes. There are no inconsistencies with anything that you've presented.

1:37:57 And I don't think, based on your reaction, that anything that I have said, which some of which is new, even though you've been on this for a very long time, is inconsistent with anything that you found. And I would also like to point out the comment that you just made is classic. It's a mess. And my proposition, having looked at Operation Gladio for the last year and a half.

1:38:23 is it's a mess on purpose so they can call us conspiracy theorists. Yes. Yes, that's right. It is. And just quickly on the JFK records, if I could talk about that. Because, you know, people always say, when are they going to release all these records? And there's a lawsuit right now to try to make them follow the law. But look, there are some records. The law allows the president specifically.

1:38:53 to continue to declassify or to continue to keep these records classified even after October 2017. The law does allow that, okay? But there has to be articulated, clear reasons why. And here's the other thing. Every single, so a document could be one page, it could be 800 pages. So there's about 4,000 documents or so that remain classified, okay?

1:39:19 We don't know how many pages that is. Thousands and thousands of pages. But what the ARRB did, these documents after the JFK Records Act, they had to have a basically... You cut out just a little bit. I don't know where he went. He just dropped off. I don't know if he's having computer problems. Let's see if we can get him back here. I'm going to wait for just a second and see if he comes back.

1:40:09 And I just want you guys to know, as far as I'm concerned, there's no compelling reason at this point if we're going to live in a constitutional republic for documents that happened in 1960s to be kept secret from us. Absolutely none. So I am all for getting the information out there.

1:40:39 Otherwise, we are pretending that we live in a constitutional republic, but a constitutional republic cannot exist without informed consent. You have no informed consent if they're constantly hiding billions of documents from us about the criminality of our institutions.

1:41:10 We had the cover sheets, and there was also a database that used to exist where you could search the cover sheets. You could see the classified documents. And if anyone's an attorney, it's similar to a privilege log in a lawsuit. You don't hand the documents over, but you say, hey, there's this document that we're not going to give you. And it's because it's attorney-client privilege, and it's between this person to this person. And generally, it's about this topic. So that's what it's supposed to be.

1:41:35 And they're supposed to include their basis for declassifying it and what date it will be revisited. OK, or what event will trigger its declassification? That has to be on this cover sheet. After 2017, this attorney that was in the Department of Justice named Gannon, forget his first name, but he wrote a memo saying the law that was passed by Congress and signed by the president, President Bush, hilariously.

1:42:04 That law doesn't matter. And from now on, we no longer have to use cover sheets or follow the law. So not only are these 4000 ish documents still declassified and are still classified, they're not supposed to be. They don't even have cover sheets to have a basis for what any of the information is. And they took the database down. There's no possible argument.

1:42:30 that could support this. So really the argument in the lawsuit isn't, hey, you need to declassify all these records. It's, hey, can you please at least comply with the law and have the cover sheets that say when we're going to revisit this and have a searchable database? And their position is just middle finger to the people. We don't care. Tough. You're a conspiracy theorist and you're the problem. That's truly their view. And I will say this. If we had a effing Congress, there wouldn't be anyone

1:43:00 in the Department of Justice receiving a paycheck today because this isn't the only issue that they are in noncompliance with. And again, this bullshit that you hear every day about saving the democracy, we don't have a democracy. And I'm not even talking about the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. They won't tell you anything. They will not give you information for you to cast an informed vote.

1:43:28 They manipulate you every single day psychologically and physically and in every other way intimidate you with this Operation Gladio terrorist bullshit and then dare you to confront them. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that is the problem. We'll see how the lawsuit goes. But but yeah, it doesn't seem like there would be.

1:43:56 there would still be something to hide after this long. And, you know, everybody really agrees with that. So we'll see what ends up ultimately happening. Go ahead. What's to hide is the fact that if this evidence came out, we are going to find conclusively, because there's so much information. The CIA is a terrorist organization. It is a paramilitary terrorist organization.

1:44:26 That serves the international syndicate and not the people of the United States. That will be conclusively proven. Yeah, I think I think the the big question is, will they just destroy evidence as opposed to handing it over if they have to? And, you know, you could say, oh, wow, you know, you're just making you're speculating. Well.

1:44:50 The ARRB told the Secret Service that they need to provide all their documents and, hey, we're sending our guys over to come pick your documents up that are relevant to President Kennedy's motorcade plans for all the motorcades, the security plans for the fall of 1963. The Secret Service burned the documents after they had been requested to provide them. So they absolutely will destroy it. And then just one other thing to add here, and then I got to run.

1:45:20 I think it's possible that there could be a smoking gun document in there that they don't destroy, right? And here's how. This case is so complicated and there's so many things going on. You really have to be an expert, truly, in the case to know what to declassify that won't be a problem for you because you have to know about everything else. So people like, you know, Jefferson Morley and Dr. Newman, they put together all these declassified, you know, they solve the cryptonyms.

1:45:50 They've been able to go, oh, this refers to – this is really this guy and he's here and he's with these people. They've been able to prove that – again, at a minimum, Oswald was working with the CIA. He was also an FBI informant and potentially also naval intelligence. And that's one of the main things that's already been proven for the documents. I think that will be hammered home if the rest of the documents are released. So I don't know about the Trump and Napolitano thing, the whole –

1:46:18 you know, I don't know what he saw or what he was told. I'm curious, you know, I don't know what to make of that, but, but anyway, Hey, I really appreciate you having me on. And again, it was, you're cool. I think you and I are on the same page about a lot of things. So, so I'll turn it back to you. Thank you for being here. And I do agree with what you just said, because that's probably the biggest foot stomper of the whole thing. There is someone still today that knows because.

1:46:47 Many of the things that have come out about the JFK has come out securitously through things where he was involved in Indonesia, where he was involved in Algeria, where he was involved in Cuba. And when you start putting all of those documents together, it paints a picture that I think makes them deathly afraid that you are able to begin connecting dots and painting a much

1:47:17 bigger picture than that implicates certain entities much more so than most people are aware of because they're not aware of all of the circumstances surrounding what he's done and what he hasn't done. So again, thank you for being here. I really appreciate that. I think this has been a wonderful opportunity to expose. What I try to do is as we,

1:47:46 expose Operation Gladio, people like you that have done so much in-depth research on pieces of this that are integral to our overall hypothesis on how this whole international syndicate operates. And it applied to us. We've exposed over 80 assassinations or coups around the world in our digging into Operation Gladio that the CIA and NATO has been involved in.

1:48:15 And this one affected us. And this happened over 80 times around the world. There are 80 other countries that have went through this exact same process to prove that the CIA was part of their head of state being assassinated. And because this one hits home, it's so important to us personally. Well, cool. Well, hey, thanks again. And we'll have to do it again sometime.

1:48:48 Cool. Thank you. All right, everybody. Thanks for being here. I would especially at the opportunity that there gets some documents released would love to have you back on. So anyway, thank you. Bye. Thanks, everyone, for being here. I'll see you again at 4 p.m.

Entities here

CIA25 Lee Harvey Oswald25 Operation Gladio22 Brigade 250619 John F. Kennedy18 Allen Dulles17 Robert Kennedy assassination15 Cuba14 Otto Skorzeny12 John Newman11 Lyndon B. Johnson11 NATO11 Mafia10 George de Mohrenschildt10 Lyman Lemnitzer9 Soviet Union9 Ruth Paine9 Fidel Castro9 Vietnam8 New Orleans8 Charles de Gaulle8 Rose Cherami8 Mexico City7 Warren Commission7 Congo7 Patrice Lumumba7 Dallas7 J. Edgar Hoover6 Sullivan & Cromwell6 Bay of Pigs6 KGB6 Marina Oswald6 Secret Service5 Joint Chiefs of Staff5 Guy Banister5 Final Judgment5 Miami5 Dwight D. Eisenhower5 Operation Northwoods5 Sukarno5

Claims made here

George de Mohrenschildt recruited Lee Harvey Oswald speculative ▶ 18:47

“critical element of the Warren Commission, critical element of having housed and associated with, to the point where he could have been the handler of Oswald.…”

NATO founded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 19:09

“Operation Gladio is a post-World War II terrorist network that was set up by NATO and incorporated in all of NATO countries.…”

Dulles member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 19:36

“So if you go back to the early 1900s, the Dulles brothers were employed by Sullivan and Cromwell.…”

Allen Dulles member_of Warren Commission host_asserted ▶ 21:51

“you have the main full time guy, Alan Dulles, who, of course, was fired by JFK, investigating JFK's assassination. And his star witness is a kid that he met when he was 10 years old.…”

Sullivan & Cromwell funded Pete Buttigieg guest_asserted ▶ 25:03

“Sullivan and Cromwell was the number one backer of the Pete Buttigieg campaign.…”

CIA installed Fulgencio Batista host_asserted ▶ 26:29

“The CIA installed Batista in Cuba…”

CIA trained Fidel Castro host_asserted ▶ 26:29

“Literally CIA agents went into the mountains and trained the Castro brothers along with Che Cabrera as the revolutionary forces…”

CIA trained Brigade 2506 host_asserted ▶ 28:52

“they were brought into Miami in order to try to get the island back and basically overthrow Cuba. So they trained these Cuban exiles.…”

Brigade 2506 carried_out_attack Cuba host_asserted ▶ 28:52

“The Cuban exiles then not only just attacked Cuba…”

Felix Rodriguez member_of Brigade 2506 host_asserted ▶ 29:20

“He's a Cuban exile. He was a member of the Brigade 2506.…”

William Casey headed Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 29:45

“He did time in Vietnam working on the Phoenix program for William Casey, who goes on to be the CIA director.…”

Felix Rodriguez targeted_for_regime_change Nicaragua host_asserted ▶ 29:45

“And when I say training people, I'm saying training terrorists to go in and terrorize and overthrow the government of Nicaragua.…”

William Casey headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 29:45

“He did time in Vietnam working on the Phoenix program for William Casey, who goes on to be the CIA director.…”

Felix Rodriguez member_of Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 29:45

“He did time in Vietnam working on the Phoenix program for William Casey, who goes on to be the CIA director.…”

Otto Skorzeny trained Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 37:29

“Skorzeny was General Galen's trainer for the original concept of Operation Gladios stay-behind units, which were called werewolf units in Germany during World War II…”

Otto Skorzeny trained Stepan Bandera host_asserted ▶ 37:52

“So Otto Skorzeny was one of the trainers for Bandera and Mikolo Ledved back in the day, in the immediate aftermath and during World War II.…”

Otto Skorzeny trained Mykola Lebed host_asserted ▶ 37:52

“So Otto Skorzeny was one of the trainers for Bandera and Mikolo Ledved back in the day, in the immediate aftermath and during World War II.…”

Reinhard Gehlen headed BND host_asserted ▶ 38:21

“Galen is then installed as the BND director, Alan Dulles' counterpart for West Germany…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Charles de Gaulle host_asserted ▶ 39:42

“CIA, along with the OAS and the French intelligence forces, were trying to subvert Charles de Gaulle…”

Organisation armée secrète attempted_assassination_of Charles de Gaulle host_asserted ▶ 39:42

“OAS tried over 20 times to assassinate Charles de Gaulle.…”

Otto Skorzeny trained Organisation armée secrète host_asserted ▶ 40:40

“Now, they're assassins. They were trained by Otto Skorzeny.…”

Organisation armée secrète assassinated Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 40:40

“These are the same two guys, by the way, that were in Congo when they kidnapped Lumumba and boiled him in acid after they shot him.…”

Organisation armée secrète carried_out_attack Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 40:40

“Those OAS agents, two of them, were found on the ground on November 22nd, 1963, in Dallas, Texas.…”

Aginter Press front_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 43:10

“You find the CIA and their assets with the entire Portugal element of Operation Gladio was called a gender press. A gender press is notorious for producing those credentials.…”

CIA funded Sergio Arcacha Smith guest_asserted ▶ 46:09

“they were basically a group that that funded they got funds from the CIA to to, you know, support fighting against Castro…”

Guy Banister recruited Lee Harvey Oswald guest_asserted ▶ 46:09

“And the main thing Oswald's doing in the summer of 1963 is he's handed he's working for Guy Bannister to try to infiltrate leftist groups now.…”

Sergio Arcacha Smith paid Guy Banister guest_asserted ▶ 46:50

“One of his biggest clients was Sergio Arcacha-Smith because he would do background checks on anybody who would try to join Arcacha-Smith's group.…”

Ricardo Morales trained Lee Harvey Oswald guest_asserted ▶ 47:44

“He told his son that he trained Oswald at this camp.…”

CIA attempted_assassination_of Fidel Castro guest_asserted ▶ 48:12

“the idea is that there was a pre-existing operation with that involved the cia working with cuban exiles to try to kill fidel castro…”

Mafia member_of ZR Rifle guest_asserted ▶ 48:39

“And they had some mafia folks involved in this as well to help Ricardo Monkey Morales.…”

William Harvey headed ZR Rifle guest_asserted ▶ 48:39

“And the name of this operation was ZR Rifle. Bill Harvey was one of the leaders of it.…”

Joint Chiefs of Staff ordered_assassination_of John F. Kennedy speculative ▶ 50:02

“John Newman, he's pretty certain that the generals are behind it…”

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of John F. Kennedy speculative ▶ 50:28

“And if I had to guess, I would say it was probably the generals that got it rolling with Dulles.…”

Lee Harvey Oswald member_of Air America host_asserted ▶ 50:58

“Ferrari was a member of the Civil Air Patrol in the New Orleans area. Lee Harvey Oswald was in one of his Civil Air Patrol flights.…”

David Ferrie member_of Air America host_asserted ▶ 50:58

“Ferrari was a member of the Civil Air Patrol in the New Orleans area. Lee Harvey Oswald was in one of his Civil Air Patrol flights.…”

Allen Dulles covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination speculative ▶ 50:58

“And so they sort of used that tool of ZR rifle against Kennedy and then put Dulles in place to to clean everything up for the Warren Commission.…”

CIA framed Brigade 2506 host_asserted ▶ 53:20

“In any operation that they have, they have layers of blame before you get to the CIA. I believe that the Cuban exiles were one of those layers of blame, just for the record.…”

Joseph Kennedy Sr. recruited Mafia host_asserted ▶ 54:18

“At the last minute, JFK's dad does a deal with the mafia. We are not going to prosecute you. We need you to sway all these union people, vote for my son, blah, blah, blah.…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower headed NATO host_asserted ▶ 55:12

“Eisenhower was basically functioned from the commanding general in Europe, transitioned into like the first head of NATO. So he helped set it up.…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered_assassination_of Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 55:40

“and then eventually becomes president, administers it, use it to assassinate Lumumba, among many other heads of state around the world.…”

Fabian Society founded Mafia host_asserted ▶ 56:09

“And that is a creation from the Fabian Society over in England, which they tell you in the late 1800s, they're going to create a one world government.…”

Fabian Society founded Bank for International Settlements host_asserted ▶ 56:09

“And they even get into details on how they're going to do it, setting up the World Bank.…”

Fabian Society founded Bank for International Settlements host_asserted ▶ 56:33

“setting up the Bank of International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks, setting up a UN, which started as the League of Nations, blah, blah, blah.…”

Fabian Society founded United Nations host_asserted ▶ 56:33

“setting up the Bank of International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks, setting up a UN, which started as the League of Nations, blah, blah, blah.…”

Sullivan & Cromwell overthrew Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 58:23

“They go over there and overthrow the government of Sukarno as soon as JFK is assassinated.…”

CIA installed Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 1:00:39

“They've got Chiang Kai-shek that they just installed in Taiwan.…”

William Pawley supplied_arms_to Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 1:00:39

“William Polly again from Cuba is he has the Curtis aircraft franchise in Asia. He is equipping Chiang Kai-shek with an air force.…”

Paul Helliwell proposed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:01:26

“Paul Helliwell calls Alan Dulles and Bill Salt while Bill Donovan and says, hey, I got an idea. If we set this Gladio shit up in NATO, we can pay for it all off book selling heroin, selling cocaine.…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Congo host_asserted ▶ 1:04:13

“They completely destabilize the Congo. They kidnap him, they kill him, they boil him in acid, blah, blah, blah.…”

CIA assassinated Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 1:04:43

“So they murder Lumumba.…”

Allen Dulles proposed Operation Northwoods host_asserted ▶ 1:04:43

“Operation Northwood was the beginning draft of that happened between Alan Dulles and a man called General Lyman Lemonsker.…”

CIA assassinated Dag Hammarskjold host_asserted ▶ 1:04:43

“You've got the UN guy, Dog Homestot, who flies down to try to solve it. They assassinate him. They blow his airplane up.…”

Lyman Lemnitzer headed Joint Chiefs of Staff host_asserted ▶ 1:05:14

“He's sitting as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.…”

Lyman Lemnitzer proposed Operation Northwoods host_asserted ▶ 1:05:43

“is looking at Lyman Lemonsker when he comes to him with a plan called Operation Northwood…”

John F. Kennedy removed_from_power Allen Dulles host_asserted ▶ 1:05:43

“Kennedy, having had fired Alan Dulles for not doing what he was supposed to do in the Bay of Pigs and disobeying Kennedy…”

Lyman Lemnitzer headed NATO host_asserted ▶ 1:07:42

“Lyman Lemonsker is the NATO commander where Otto Skorzeny is training OAS people, deploying them to Dallas.…”

John F. Kennedy reassigned Lyman Lemnitzer host_asserted ▶ 1:07:42

“So he tells Lyman Lemonsker, you can't stay there. I don't trust you anymore. But do you know where he put him? In charge of NATO.…”

Joint Chiefs of Staff framed Soviet Union guest_asserted ▶ 1:12:52

“Russia, Soviet Union and Cuba, so that it could look like, you know, they did it. And then we could we could have our our, you know, logic for domestic politics to allow us to do a first strike.…”

CIA paid Pyotr Popov guest_asserted ▶ 1:15:15

“this guy named Popov is a KGB defector in place, so he's giving us secrets while we're giving him money…”

Pyotr Popov spied_on KGB guest_asserted ▶ 1:15:15

“this guy named Popov is a KGB defector in place, so he's giving us secrets while we're giving him money…”

KGB assassinated Pyotr Popov guest_asserted ▶ 1:15:41

“And he gets found out by the KGB, and he gets executed.…”

John Newman exposed Bruce Solie guest_asserted ▶ 1:16:39

“John Newman has proven, I think conclusively, that Bruce Sully was the mole.…”

Bruce Solie spied_on CIA guest_asserted ▶ 1:16:39

“John Newman has proven, I think conclusively, that Bruce Sully was the mole.…”

Bruce Solie recruited Lee Harvey Oswald guest_asserted ▶ 1:17:08

“Oswald was bait that was used by Bruce Sully. So we now know why Oswald went to the Soviet Union. Bruce Sully sent him there…”

Marina Oswald member_of KGB documented ▶ 1:19:29

“Well, the CIA has a document that's been declassified. It's titled 29 Reasons Why Marina Oswald Works for the KGB.…”

KGB recruited Marina Oswald guest_asserted ▶ 1:20:02

“So she was told to go befriend Oswald by the KGB.…”

J. Edgar Hoover exposed Robert Kennedy assassination documented ▶ 1:30:04

“J. Edgar Hoover tells LBJ the headline, which is, but our agents in Dallas who have spoken to Oswald at the interrogation and who have seen him have looked at the photos of this man and have listened …”

Lyndon B. Johnson appointed Richard Russell guest_asserted ▶ 1:31:02

“He talks to Richard Russell and Earl Warren to try to get them to serve on the commission. And they both say no.…”

Lyndon B. Johnson appointed Earl Warren guest_asserted ▶ 1:31:02

“He talks to Richard Russell and Earl Warren to try to get them to serve on the commission. And they both say no.…”

Lyndon B. Johnson covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination guest_asserted ▶ 1:31:46

“he tells Russell, like, look, I need you to lie to your country to avoid a conspiracy because we got to put it on Oswald that it's just him…”

CIA covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination guest_asserted ▶ 1:32:33

“they said that the camera wasn't functioning during the hours when Oswald came. Every time Oswald came, the cameras broke. So weird. And then they said that they lost the tapes…”

James Jesus Angleton covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination guest_asserted ▶ 1:32:56

“says that there was a tape and he had it in his safe and James Angleton came and got it from him after he died…”

CIA front_for Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:44:26

“That serves the international syndicate and not the people of the United States.…”

Secret Service covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination guest_asserted ▶ 1:44:50

“The Secret Service burned the documents after they had been requested to provide them.…”

Lee Harvey Oswald member_of CIA documented ▶ 1:45:50

“They've been able to prove that – again, at a minimum, Oswald was working with the CIA.…”

Lee Harvey Oswald member_of FBI documented ▶ 1:45:50

“He was also an FBI informant and potentially also naval intelligence.…”