5412 Group organization
also: special group, 541-2 group, 5412 memo, 512 group, 5412-2 memo, 40-54-12 group, 5-4-1-2, 5-4-1-2 group, 5412, NSD 5412-2
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Claims (18)
Dwight D. Eisenhower member_of
5412 Group documented
“The president met to discuss Tibet with a group including Gordon Gray, Secretary Harder, Alan Dulles, Cabell, and Desmond Fitzgerald. Two weeks later, there was another discussion with the 5412 group. In May and June of 1960, mass defection…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 29:48
Desmond Fitzgerald member_of
5412 Group documented
“The president met to discuss Tibet with a group including Gordon Gray, Secretary Harder, Alan Dulles, Cabell, and Desmond Fitzgerald. Two weeks later, there was another discussion with the 5412 group. In May and June of 1960, mass defection…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 29:48
Allen Dulles member_of
5412 Group documented
“The president met to discuss Tibet with a group including Gordon Gray, Secretary Harder, Alan Dulles, Cabell, and Desmond Fitzgerald. Two weeks later, there was another discussion with the 5412 group. In May and June of 1960, mass defection…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 29:48
Gordon Gray member_of
5412 Group documented
“The president met to discuss Tibet with a group including Gordon Gray, Secretary Harder, Alan Dulles, Cabell, and Desmond Fitzgerald. Two weeks later, there was another discussion with the 5412 group. In May and June of 1960, mass defection…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 29:48
Charles Cabell member_of
5412 Group documented
“The president met to discuss Tibet with a group including Gordon Gray, Secretary Harder, Alan Dulles, Cabell, and Desmond Fitzgerald. Two weeks later, there was another discussion with the 5412 group. In May and June of 1960, mass defection…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 29:48
Thomas Parrott member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“harassment of the Chinese communists. They really weren't interested in Tibet independence. They were very interested in harassing the Chinese. Thomas Parrott, who worked directly for the 5412 group as its CIA provided staff officer, adds t…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Safe For Democracy Part 15 (16) @ 37:04
William H. Pyle member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“At the meeting on November 29th, which included many of the same people who sat on the 5412 group, he questioned the boldness and imagination behind the project, given the necessity for plausible deniability, as well as whether actions were…”
▶ The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 21 (22) @ 5:59
E. Howard Hunt member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“of the Frente, which was kind of the name of this front. Polly, a presidential crony, sided with E. Howard Hunt's view of exile leadership being, quote, too far to the left. Eisenhower showed his unhappiness.…”
▶ The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 21 (22) @ 6:30
Charles Cabell member_of
5412 Group documented
“It was a result of the discussion, the DCI, the director of CIA, said he would reorientate his thinking to some extent and would come back with an alternative proposal. About two months later, Charles Cabell briefed the 512 group on Tibet a…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 33:45
Dwight D. Eisenhower founded
5412 Group host_asserted
“It became known as the 5412 group after the directive that established it, which was 512-2. So now we have a junior level, a medium level, and a senior level. All right. And keep in mind, something's going on in order for them to have been …”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner- Presidents Secret Wars chap 7 @ 22:25
Allen Dulles member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“He spent most of 58 observing the CIA's oversight in action. Though the DCI was officially only an advisor to the group, Gray found that the committee exercised virtually no initiative, which left the field largely open to Allen Dulles. The…”
▶ The Colonel’s corner president‘s secret wars chapter 8 cont @ 13:45
John Irwin member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“FOMA, the renunciation of all of their ties to the patent law, in effect, abandoning any chance of them ever being neutral. Subana refused. Shortly thereafter, 5412 group, you know, the assassin group, member John Irvin, I-R-V-I-N,…”
▶ The Colonel’s corner President’s secret wars Chap 14 @ 25:53
Gordon Gray member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“As the president's special assistant, which now is a designated national security advisor, Gordon Gray is functioning as that before it was created. He became Eisenhower's voice in the 5412 group. Although Allen Dulles officially functioned…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Safe For Democracy Part 15 (16) @ 11:44
Allen Dulles member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“As the president's special assistant, which now is a designated national security advisor, Gordon Gray is functioning as that before it was created. He became Eisenhower's voice in the 5412 group. Although Allen Dulles officially functioned…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Safe For Democracy Part 15 (16) @ 11:44
John F. Kennedy member_of
5412 Group documented
“It was a result of the discussion, the DCI, the director of CIA, said he would reorientate his thinking to some extent and would come back with an alternative proposal. About two months later, Charles Cabell briefed the 512 group on Tibet a…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 33:45
Gordon Gray member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“As the president's special assistant, Gordon Gray was Eisenhower's representative on the 40-54-12 group. And remember, that was set up so that Eisenhower has plausible deniability. So this Gordon Gray, who's a Democrat, Eisenhower's a Repub…”
▶ The Colonel’s corner president‘s secret wars chapter 8 cont @ 13:19
Desmond Fitzgerald member_of
5412 Group documented
“In the summer of 1960, an international jurist commission established by the UN released a conclusion that genocide had been attempted in Tibet, lending momentum to the CIA's proposal for that fall. On September 15, 1960, the 512 group meet…”
▶ The Colonels Corner President’s Secret Wars chapter 9, continued @ 33:15
Graves Erskine member_of
5412 Group book_quoted
“and Eisenhower had made the chairman a 5-4-1-2 group member. Direct coordination and execution of military cover support, like when the CIA's pretending to be military, continued in the hands of the assistant to the SecDef for special opera…”
▶ The Colonel’s Corner Safe For Democracy Part 15 (16) @ 15:35
Mentions (62)
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Though he claims to have stopped them before they could broach the CIA operation, Cummings necessarily had knowledge of the plan because he was the State Department's intelligence chief. Indeed, we have seen that Foster Dulles discussed ope…
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head of each of the military branches are picked by the same international syndicate that selects the president, which selects the secretary of state. You know what I mean? And what's interesting about that 5412 memo is what it does is tech…
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FOMA, the renunciation of all of their ties to the patent law, in effect, abandoning any chance of them ever being neutral. Subana refused. Shortly thereafter, 5412 group, you know, the assassin group, member John Irvin, I-R-V-I-N,…
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It became known as the 5412 group after the directive that established it, which was 512-2. So now we have a junior level, a medium level, and a senior level. All right. And keep in mind, something's going on in order for them to have been …
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to the belief that this large operation could be conducted with plausible deniability within the guidelines of NSD 5412-2. It was also attributed to lack of coordination among the different agencies to the attempt to command the operation f…
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Yeah, because we just need another layer of bureaucracy to cover up shit that we shouldn't be doing to begin with. Consisting of a chairman, the DCI, and undersecretaries of state and defense, this was nothing less than the exact same thing…
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Assets for Covert Warfare. This instruction led to the interagency study directed by Richard Bissell with Walt Rostow, R-O-S-T-O-W, of the NSC as the prime moving force behind it. The study provided the impetus for the administration's emph…
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Edward Lansdale served as the Pentagon's contact man for matters concerning Operation Mongoose, coordinating military support as well as arranging for the agendas and keeping the records of the NSD special group, which effectively replaced …
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He knows exactly what it takes to get them done, and he was very disappointed they weren't able to get it done. Okay, so there needs to be some changes. The changes would begin with the 5412 group. Now, remember, the 5412-2 memo is the memo…
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coordination between the military and the CIA, making the nature of this formal relationship an important matter. The Pentagon and CIA link ran through the 5412 group, the staff of which is provided by the CIA. One proposal backed by the Hu…
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At the December meeting, President Eisenhower made clear his view that the 5412 group should meet as a fort with minimum staff assistance from their own agencies. Everything depended on this group. One man working for the president made the…
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As the president's special assistant, Gordon Gray was Eisenhower's representative on the 40-54-12 group. And remember, that was set up so that Eisenhower has plausible deniability. So this Gordon Gray, who's a Democrat, Eisenhower's a Repub…
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He spent most of 58 observing the CIA's oversight in action. Though the DCI was officially only an advisor to the group, Gray found that the committee exercised virtually no initiative, which left the field largely open to Allen Dulles. The…
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and the CIA with an eye towards revising the 5412-2 memo. After Christmas, Eisenhower met directly with Dulles and Gray. Eisenhower laid great stress on his arrangements for executive management of intelligence and clandestine operations wi…
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thwart any effort by Congress to provide oversight to covert operations. Allen Dulles no doubt made appropriately conciliatory comments, but Gordon Gray was not satisfied. The semi-annual 5412 review for the president was presented May 15, …
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Four days later, Gray sent a memo to Alan Dulles, the Secretary of State and the Pentagon rep on the 5412 group, which he said they were labeled as his random thoughts. But Gray's criticism was not random at all. They included the following…
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Make shit up. Let's get going. We got operations. We got countries to overthrow. Eisenhower agreed in an effort to force the 5412 to deal with these problems. On December 26, 1958, the president requested that the group hold regular weekly …
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When Gray gave one of his regular briefings to Eisenhower somewhat later, like around June 1959, the president then referred to one particular activity which he was disturbed about, but said that he assumed it had been approved by the group…
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direct access to Eisenhower. The Hall board criticized the many different facets of the Pentagon's involvement in this group and raised the possibility that they needed one single point of contact. Eisenhower said that this was letting the …
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The 5412 group considered in secret deliberations its answer to the policy question posed by Gordon Gray. Memoranda that remained classified from Alan Dulles to President Eisenhower dated January 22nd and March 3rd, 1959, concerned to bet. …
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In the summer of 1960, an international jurist commission established by the UN released a conclusion that genocide had been attempted in Tibet, lending momentum to the CIA's proposal for that fall. On September 15, 1960, the 512 group meet…
▶ 33:45
It was a result of the discussion, the DCI, the director of CIA, said he would reorientate his thinking to some extent and would come back with an alternative proposal. About two months later, Charles Cabell briefed the 512 group on Tibet a…
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and achieve better synchronization between CIA's black propaganda and the unattributed gray activities carried out by U.S. Information Agency. They were already coordinating. The Killian board told Eisenhower, both in writing and on Decembe…
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Projects became the exclusive preserve of the CIA. The 5412 group approvals were too informal. And in particular, as far as we have been able to determine, there is no real joint planning for any clandestine project. There was lots of plann…
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Dulles said he favored joint approval, but not that if it meant that people all over the government had veto authority over his projects. The president took the CIA side, of course. 5-4-1-2 programs could not be staffed through agencies. Ei…
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Eisenhower's National Security Advisor suggested a limited compromise that the 5412 group members could each designate staff assistants and only those officials would see the proposals. Eisenhower agreed. He went on to say that he had becom…
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It will be discussed in a meeting in this room. In a written response to the Killian Board a week later, the CIA accepted its recommendations on the 5412 matters. In early March, the special group itself noted that proposals within establis…
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Eisenhower worried about controlling the secret warriors, but pursued the Cold War with gusto anyway. The rush of events made it difficult to go back over old ground. The 5412 group provided semi-annual presentations of covert programs, but…
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especially objected to the director of operations, which is covert operations, being solely responsible for the review of their own activity. Imagine that. This evaluation function, which also applied to the review of covert action proposal…
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Project Hake served as an example of how things could go wrong. Robert Lovett, co-author of the board's previous covert study, pressed Eisenhower to transfer review authority to the 5412 group. Gordon Gray, the guy that we talked about earl…
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Noted that the group had not been very active in accommodating the reviewers' critiques. Eisenhower insisted that the 5412 group should meet as a court, implying a capacity that they could review and potentially veto operations.…
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military people involved in CIA operations. Such operations as Project Hague required close coordination with the military. The Pentagon CIA link ran through the 5412 group, whose staff the CIA provided. So just so you guys know, just imagi…
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a conference room, there's a table, and all of the heads of the State Department, the CIA, the Pentagon, they sit at the table. There's an entire staff that line the walls of the conference room. And there's a back shop staff that prepares …
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back shop, and people that line the room. Everything was centered around the 5412 group. Gordon Gray made the 541 group his special concern. Having once hoped to become the CIA director, Gray had seen his chances expire at the end of Truman…
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As the president's special assistant, which now is a designated national security advisor, Gordon Gray is functioning as that before it was created. He became Eisenhower's voice in the 5412 group. Although Allen Dulles officially functioned…
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The special assistant openly raised his doubts in December 1958 in a meeting. After Christmas, Eisenhower met privately with both Gray and Dulles. They were now studying the CIA 5-4-1-2 group relationship. Eisenhower laid great stress on ma…
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The semi-annual covert operation review took place on 15 January 1959. Four days later, Gray sent a memo of random thoughts to Allen Dulles, the Secretary of State and the Pentagon representative on the 5412 group. Gray's criticisms were no…
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had ever been discussed there within the preceding six months, there needed to be a better sense of mission. The criteria with which what matters were brought to the 5-4-1-2 group were ill-defined and they needed to be better defined. In ot…
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And there was no written criteria of what needed to be reviewed there and what didn't. The 5412 needed procedures to evaluate operations in addition to approving them. He went on to say, quote, I strongly believe that the president would ex…
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On December 26, 1958, the president had asked the group to have regular weekly meetings in place of the twice-a-year meetings. At one of Gray's regular briefings to Eisenhower on June 22, 1959, quote, the president referred to one particula…
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and Eisenhower had made the chairman a 5-4-1-2 group member. Direct coordination and execution of military cover support, like when the CIA's pretending to be military, continued in the hands of the assistant to the SecDef for special opera…
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An officer on his staff, Air Force Colonel Fletcher Prouty, who we all know, recounts that a copy of the 541-2-2 memo filled with them contained the president's handwritten notation that equipment delivered to the CIA be limited to that whi…
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That had been approved. The Hall Board criticized many facets of the Pentagon's involvement and raised the possibility of a single focal point, preferably under the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Eisenhower said that this got the mi…
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So in effect, Eisenhower ended by defending the existing arrangements and not making any changes despite all of the mechanisms that were put in place and all the time wasted looking at them. Eisenhower continued with this dilemma of control…
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harassment of the Chinese communists. They really weren't interested in Tibet independence. They were very interested in harassing the Chinese. Thomas Parrott, who worked directly for the 5412 group as its CIA provided staff officer, adds t…
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approval from the 5412 group still cannot be pinpointed. The outcome, however, can. Rebel leaders were told that the United States was considering a move in Tibet, but the decision depended upon what the CIA learned through their initial sc…
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the Nationalists being the Chiang Kai-shek's KMT army. Though the State Department believed it, quote, by no means suicidal, unquote, of Chiang Kai-shek to contemplate such raids. Despite limited possibilities, the 5412 group considered Gor…
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On September 15th, 1960, the 5412 group convened just before the National Security Council meeting. According to the record, quote, as a result of the discussion, the DCI said he would reorient his thinking to some extent, unquote. The key …
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The agency also began monthly subsidies to the Dalai Lama, totaling $1.7 million a year. That continued for many, many years. Just before the 1960 election, CIA General Cabell updated the special group on Tibet, adding comments about Cuba.…
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Bulletin of Activities of General Political Department of the PLA. It basically had covered a period of January to August 1961. The CIA officer personally retrieved the material and carried it to Washington, where Allen Dulles proudly exhib…
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The Tibetans countered with a proposal to split their strength in both places. A couple of months later, William Colby, now the chief of the DO for Far East Division, carried a fresh proposal to the special group. Colby argued for a switch …
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to continue giving the Tibet issue a high international profile, but with a reduced emphasis on military activity. Payments to the Dalai Lama continued. While for the most part, the resistance received CIA cash, a final weapons airdrop took…
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would eventually get cold feet. By 1968, the CIA had told the special group that no current operations justified the Tibetan forces at Mustang. The few telephone taps the CIA wanted could easily be managed by a much smaller effort. The foll…
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A reserve unit of several hundred Guatemalans with their own officers who could be landed behind the Cuban assault team also figured into the scheme. The cable noted that the concept was tentatively approved by Dulles and the White House wa…
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There can be no doubt the revised CIA plan amounted to an invasion. The 5412 group resisted it, making the issue one of the CIA's operations as against a combined agency military one. Because they know they can't do it with this small force…
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Not inside the operation, but outside of it and separately. So now we have another chain of command. In addition, every proposed flight had to be recommended by General Cabell, who had long worked this side of the street and was approved by…
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up until the new president comes in so that the new president is forced to go along with whatever operation that they're initiating. The Cuban exiles could establish a beachhead, declare a provincial government, then call for American help.…
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At the meeting on November 29th, which included many of the same people who sat on the 5412 group, he questioned the boldness and imagination behind the project, given the necessity for plausible deniability, as well as whether actions were…
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Referring to the transition, he said he did not wish to be in a position of turning over the government in the midst of a developing emergency. If a developing emergency existed, no fault lay with the Eisenhower's intelligence overseers. Mo…
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600 to 750 exiles with U.S. training and equipment. Frank Egan described the Cuban force at Camp Trax and its superior motivation and leadership. Egan felt these exiles would have no trouble extracting a heavy toll on Cuba's larger forces. …
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had been at the apex of the secret war for eight years, he knew better. He knew that almost every one of his successes were almost a failure. He knew the difficulties the 5412 group was having, the CIA's penance for avoiding implementation …
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They were also recruiting Hmong secret armies. Desmond Fitzgerald dropped in to survey the scene. Toward the end of 1960, John Irwin, representing the Pentagon and the 5412 group, visited South Laos and talked to Fumi. A second Irwin trip o…