The Colonel’s Corner Twilight of the Shadow Government Part 3

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0:00 Hello, everyone. Well, I made it on without getting thrown off, so that's a good sign. Anyway, this is going to be a much shorter show than normal. We won't be able to have as much talking afterwards as far as the Q&A part. But I did want to get this in before the weekend because this is a crazy part of this story. And Bridget's going to be a little late.

0:27 So we're going to go ahead and get started and I'll just keep looking for to bring her up as co-host. So hopefully Southern, I'm going to go ahead and put you as co-host because if I don't have a co-host and they kick me off. Oh, there's SR-71. All right. So I'm going to get him up here. All right. That way we won't get kicked out of our space, even if they kick me out temporarily. All right. So.

1:00 This is chapter three. It is also session three of our series on this book. And again, oh, there's Bridget. All right. OK, hold on. I got to undo. Let's see. All right. Southern Bell, I'm going to remove you from the co-host. Bridget's here and I'm going to put you as speaker and then I'm going to bring Bridget up as the co-host.

1:37 And I'm going to go ahead and give Stellar a speaker and then we're going to go ahead and go. All right. So this guy, I had never heard of this guy. And at this point, it's getting kind of unusual that I haven't heard of this guy. His name's Alvin Bernard Buzzy Crongard. And the author starts by saying on February 1st, 1998.

2:03 And just so everyone understands, 1998 is, let's see, we get Clinton in 92. So this is halfway through his second term. CIA George Tenet appointed Alvin Bernard Buzzy Crongard as his quote unquote counselor. There's no such role as that. So that's an interesting thing.

2:32 On the same day, the Baltimore Sun published an article that was supposedly the last the public would ever hear of the legendary businessman before he vanished into the shadows of the CIA. The story of Buzzy Krongard would also reveal the tentacles of an intelligence octopus and how far it reaches into American life. The next morning, Buzzy Krongard disappears. Quote,

3:02 Take good notes because this is the last interview I'm going to give, the 61-year-old investment banker said last week, reclining in an easy chair with his Cuban cigar in his mouth, which he's not legally even allowed to have. The Baltimore native had walked away from a lucrative job. He was vice president of the Bankers Trust New York Corporation, the parent of B.T.

3:34 Alex Brown, Incorporated, and the seventh largest bank in the country. At the age when most banking executives were looking to retire, he joined the CIA. Now, I use the word joined lightly because once you understand who this guy is, it's frankly mind-blowing. So there was nothing stereotypical about him.

4:03 and his smoking an illegal Cuban cigar. Sometimes, the author says, I think fiction writers have a more difficult job because they have to create believable characters. The reading public would never accept the outlandish fictional character that made up Buzzy Krongard.

4:33 The truth is he probably is one of the most consequential figures in American history over the past 25 years that you've never heard about. The supposedly quote unquote last interview continued, quote, the son of a middle class suit maker, Krongard, once punched a great white shark in the jaw. He teased Amore ill with his fingers and has a cruel scar to prove it.

5:01 He was an accomplished martial arts who could kill a man as easily as he breaks boards with his hands. He was a dangerous fish. Oh, he has a dangerous fish in his basement. A meat carving set made from the shin bones of a boar and a shooting range on his 90 acre estate. He collects only guns that he can use and he has a small arsenal.

5:28 He spends the occasional weekend training with police SWAT teams. Wonder how he gets in those. The joke around here, said Alex Brown colleague Richard Frano, is that he he never really worked here all along. It was a front like in he was already in the CIA and he used his executive position as a front, which makes you want to go back.

6:00 And look at the company that he supposedly worked for. More on that later. The CIA had been around for more than 50 years before George Tenet decided, you know, what I really need is a Wall Street guy coming into a special position that I'll create for him. Like they didn't have enough of him already. Krohngard comes across as an idealized version of an adult man that you might dream of.

6:29 When you're a 10 year old boy, the martial art who could kill a man as easily as he break breaks boards. He had dangerous. He's quoting the author and says, if you were the mother of a young boy, you'd never let your son within a million miles of this guy. Instead, you'd probably report him to the police as a serial killer. Quote.

6:56 He will do one heck of a job for the CIA, said Robert Hammerman, chief judge of the circuit court of Baltimore City, who grew up with Krongard. And I'll just remind you guys, this is the setting in which Nancy Pelosi grew up in. She grew up in Baltimore. He is as part of a mafia family. He was a brilliant person, a brilliant organizer. And the kind of thing Buzzy has.

7:27 It is the kind of thing Buzzy has been interested in all his life, i.e. going to the CIA. Nothing like having those who knew you best say that you would do one heck of a job whipping the agency into shape like you once punched the great white shark. For a guy who was entering the dark world of intelligence, he sure did have a lot of light being shown on him.

7:55 Quote, back to the interview, Krongard is guarded about how he met Tennant and how long he knew him. For centuries, he said, deadpanned. He said it was not unusual for them to have lunch together either at the CIA headquarters at Langley or in Washington. It was about three months ago at a Washington restaurant, he said, that Tennant broached the subject of Krongard's coming aboard. We were talking, Krongard said.

8:23 It started as a lark, almost. Well, why don't you come down here and fix it? George Tenet was supposed to have said. Joining the agency was something Krongard had fantasized about, but never seriously thought he should bring it up. He drew an analogy. It's like high school. You want to ask the girl to the prom, but you're afraid to ask, unquote. The CIA was Buzzy's long-held fantasy.

8:54 He was going to reshape the globe by fixing the agency. And everybody loved good old Buzzy because there was nobody like him. He was the man you wanted in charge, the ultimate alpha male warrior, the scholar who would find the problem and the general who would implement the solution. In 1971, Krongard joined Alex Brown as a corporate finance associate.

9:23 He stormed the job. Colleagues said he ripped into the job like a jarhead storming the beach. He got to work at 630 and refused to go to bed at night until every phone call was returned. He poured over complicated financial documents and understood every detail of the companies that he was working with. He developed a self-denying approach that would one day result in the official Brown mantra, which was.

9:52 Client first, firm second, individual third, unquote. Kevin Schiff, the author, then goes on to say, we see Krongard in the purest portrait of a corporate titan as a young man, driving himself relentlessly, selflessly on behalf of a company. He was a soldier doing whatever it took to secure the beachhead. In 1989, Krongard was in charge of Alex Brown and Son.

10:23 Then back to the interview. Once Krongard became chief executive, he held the firm to his own uncompromising standards. They could be harsh. A colleague recounts how a trader who had gone over his stock trading limit admitted it to Krongard. Krongard responded, saying, if you would like to be employed, you better get within your limit within 24 hours. And the trader did it. Unquote.

10:51 Further in the article, one of the associates, Mayo Shattuck, S-H-A-T-T-U-K III, who would take over from Krongard when he left for his CIA job, was quoted as saying that Krongard, quote, doesn't have great tolerance for stupidity, unquote. In taking the job at the CIA, Krongard was giving up a $4 million a year.

11:21 But one imagines that all of those years as a corporate chieftain, he'd amassed more money than he could possibly want. But money can be boring when you are learning the secrets of a nation that wanted to keep hidden and controlling the secret warriors of the CIA. It was supposed to be his farewell interview before he disappeared into the intelligence world. Back to the article.

11:49 I come with no baggage, no history, no preconceived opinions or biases. I can extract the essence of a problem, get out of it, and move on, he said. His son, Tim, who joined him in the smoking room, took his own cigar out of his mouth. Quote, like Pell Rider, he said, the mysterious drifter hero of one of my father's favorite Clint Eastwood movies, unquote. Back to Kevin Shipp.

12:18 It's really quite a feat to have no opinion about the CIA, but to regard yourself as a hero of your own personal Clint Eastwood movie with confidence in yourself so high. How could anything possibly go wrong? Another person with sky high confidence in Buzzy's ability was George Tenet in his book, At the Center of the Storm, The CIA During America's Time of Crisis. That's the name of George Tenet's book.

12:46 at the center of the storm, the CIA's during America's time of crisis. Tenet wrote this, quote, one person I did bring in from the outside was Buzzy Crongard. He has been the CEO of an investment bank firm, Alex Brown. That's heady territory with salaries and perks to match. If Buzzy hadn't been so ready to serve his nation at a time of great need, I could never have recruited him as a special advisor.

13:17 His mission was to gather the data in a simple metrics about all of our business processes, and that would allow us to make the changes critical of the agency's survival. He brought business savvy to an organization that seemed to pride itself on unbusiness-like methods. Prior to Buzzy's arrival, the agency was a data-free zone. We didn't know where the money was going. We didn't know why people joined our agency or why they left.

13:46 All that would change with Buzzy's expert help, unquote. Back to Kevin Schiff. There you have it from the former director of the CIA. Buzzy was the turnaround guy, the one who would learn all of the secrets of the CIA and implement radical restructuring of the agency. When one looks at the relatively peaceful world, which existed in 1998, and the world which exists in 2024, a long, brutal war in...

14:15 Ukraine provoked by decades of U.S. misdeeds and broken promises, a Middle East on fire as Hamas and Israel fight to the death, and brewing trouble in China and Taiwan, one can't help wonder what part of the CIA played either creating or failing to anticipate all of these problems. When Kevin Shipp, and Kevin Shipp goes on to say, when I was inside the CIA as an officer and heard about Krongard's appointment as Tenet's counselor,

14:46 Many of us were puzzled. Why would Tennant choose an outsider with no CIA experience for such a significant role? Allegations would arise later that Krongard had previous dealings with the agency going back to the early 1990s and possibly from as far back as his college days. It's a little like the common joke about the actress Doris Day, the sweet-faced.

15:13 keep the knees closed, girl next door type from the 1950s romance movies that, quote, I knew her before she was a virgin, unquote. When I was undercover in the Directorate of Operations, I had a meeting with Krongard at a secret base to which I had been assigned. I was to give him situational updates on the progress of our base, but I knew there was something he was more interested in.

15:39 It was well known to all of us who trained students at covert CIA facilities that Krohn guard liked to pay a cordial visit to certain facilities so that after he'd been briefed, he could spend some time on the range with some of our more exotic weapons. I took him out to the range and he was pretty good with the weapons. The other guys liked shooting with him as well. We didn't think much about him, an interesting business guy, but mostly we thought of him as tenants, Wall Street guy.

16:08 He was gruff, but cordial. I got the feeling that he wished that instead of a life in business, he'd been one of us. However, he kept things pretty close to the best. The kind of guy you feel like was checking things out, but wasn't going to tell you what he was thinking. However, I would eventually get an education in Buzzy's management style as he would be the manager of the secret base I was living at when they tried to poison me and my family.

16:36 I would come to view Buzzy as the embodiment of everything wrong with the agencies, a callous indifference to human beings, to logic, and a supreme arrogance that would only lead the CIA and the world into disaster. Although Buzzy had supposedly already vanished into the shadows of the intelligence world in 1998, on March 16, 2001, he was back in the newspapers again.

17:07 Buzzy Crongard to be the executive director of the CIA. And as we talked about yesterday, that's the number three position. In this position, Buzzy was the third highest ranking official in the agency. At the time, the number two guy was none other than John Brennan. The Washington Post gave Buzzy glowing coverage in an article entitled Colorful Outfitters.

17:36 Cider is a number three at the CIA. This was in the article. A.B. Buzzy Crongard, a cigar-chomping former investment banker and martial arts enthusiast, was named yesterday executive director of the CIA, bringing a fast-paced management style to the agency's number three job. Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet announced the appointment, saying he treasures Crongard's

18:06 wise counsel, and no-nonsense business-like views. Crongard, 64, former head of Alex Brown & Company, an investment bank based in Baltimore, joined the agency three years ago as a counselor to tenant. He switched careers shortly after helping to engineer a $2.5 billion merger of Alex Brown & Bankers Trust, New York Corporation.

18:33 gaining $71 million in Banker Trust stock. That ends the quote. That puts a little more meat on the bones of Krongov's financial situation. While one might have felt some sympathy for him losing his $4 million a year job to quote-unquote serve his nation, that should be balanced by the fact that he got

19:00 $71 million in stock just before he joined the agency. And he got that by engineering a $2.5 billion merger, which happened shortly before he got there. Since nothing about making $71 million in a deal just before you decide to work for the CIA is suspicious, it makes complete sense why the Washington Post would not investigate it.

19:28 Let's return to the colorful outsider article. It goes on to say, quote, a graduate of Princeton in the University of Maryland Law School, Krongard has a fondness for extreme military style activities. Even as a banking executive, he trained with SWAT teams for recreation and worked with a Kung Fu master.

19:53 To impress or intimidate visitors, the former Marine officer would demonstrate lightning-fast moves for disabling an attacker. The purpose of his exercise regime was not to stay in fit, he once said, but to increase toughness and discipline. To that end, he would thrust his hands repeatedly into buckets of dried rice or observe blows to the stomach from a heavy medicine ball, unquote.

20:23 In your life, how many people have you been introduced to that you sought to impress you by showing off his lightning fast moves for disabling an attacker? Personally, I've never met anyone over 12 that did that. OK, I haven't either, actually. But this is the guy that's going to be number three at the CIA. Further in the article, it was quoted as saying his quote, his rhetorical style.

20:55 blunt and colorful, sets him apart on the seventh floor of the CIA headquarters. In an interview yesterday, Krongard described his past duties as those of a minister without portfolio whose senior managers felt comfortable talking about sticky subjects. I really didn't have a dog in any of the fights, he said, and I was allowed to broker some things. But Krongard exhibited the requisite

21:25 secretiveness when asked to explain his interest in intelligence and how he came to land a job in Tenet's inner circle. If you go back to the CIA's origins of World War II and the OSS, he explained the whole OSS was really nothing but Wall Street bankers and lawyers. And he's not wrong about that. Unquote. Despite his claim in 1998 that he was going to vanish, Crump

21:56 ...kept finding his way into the public eye. It's fantastic for him to broadcast to the world that he'd been a minister without portfolio in the agency, cleaning up things like a character from the Clint Eastwood Western. I'm sure all of the agency personnel whose ass he kicked because he didn't have any dog in the fights are just thrilled that he's talking to the press about how awesome he is. And although Buzzy's tight-lipped as any well-trained spy about...

22:25 how he got recruited, he lets you know that the forerunner to the CIA was really nothing but Wall Street bankers and lawyers broadcasting to any foreign power paying attention that you shouldn't trust your corporate leaders or attorneys because they're likely CIA assets. And that is very true because we found that out in Operation Gladio. In a strange convergence, that may be the one thing that

22:52 Russian President Vladimir Putin and the American public agree on. As the Washington Post wants you to believe, Krohngard is just what the CIA needed. Going on with that article, quote, given the CIA's nature, outsiders who assume top post often arouse suspicion. That was certainly true in the case of Nora Slatkin.

23:16 a Capitol Hill staffer and Pentagon official who served as the executive director from 95 to 96 under then-CIE director John Deutch. One former agency official said that he found it absolutely astonishing that Tennant installed Krongard in such an important job. When you meet him, he tells you to punch him in the stomach to see how tough he is, the former official said, unquote.

23:43 Becomes clear to most in the public over the past few years how the mainstream media is constantly trying to shape public narrative. It doesn't matter if you utilize a conservative or liberal narrative to do so, because they play both sides, of course. It's all in service to a continued power of the establishment. A business outsider sounds like music to...

24:07 ears of conservative. And as for liberals, they fall in love with the intelligence agency and they don't need any persuading. However, when we read their propaganda with a more discerning eye, troubling details emerge. How else is one to respond to a grown man who asked people to punch him in the stomach? I've known people who are amazing physical specimens, even trained killers, and none of them do that. If you need to talk about how tough you are,

24:36 you aren't tough. But that's what we are getting with Tenet's pick for his number three to run the agency. And if you had any doubt as to the effect Buzzy had on the CIA, he points to a different section of Tenet's book. So this is back to Tenet's book, quote, after 9-11, making organizational changes had to be calibrated to allow men and women both to perform their mission and to continue the transformation. In the real

25:04 of the real world we operated in. The onslaught of threats and crises never abated as we tried to remake the institution. We couldn't afford pit stops. We were changing the tires as the race car was careening around at 180 miles an hour. The mission had to come first. Buzzy Crongard used to say, country, mission, CIA, family, and self. That was the CIA I knew. And again, this is George Tenet.

25:34 The job of the CIA director was really two jobs running both the CIA and also a larger intelligence community of 16 diverse agencies. One of the criticisms of not only me, but all of my predecessors is that we focus on CIA to the exclusion of the other 15 parts of the intelligence community, unquote. Back to the author. Do you see how Tenet's telling of it?

26:03 Buzzy Krongard was at the heart and soul of the CIA. I charged Krongard with much of the misguided direction of the CIA in the years leading up to 9-11, as well as this disastrous years that followed. There was an air of make-believe about the man, a blind ambition of somebody who believed that if he just worked his body hard enough, he could transform the world in the same manner. If you don't believe the CIA was engaged in make-believe,

26:32 during tennis time. Look at how they described in their own words, they were changing the tires of a race car. That's not simply bad riding. It's indicative of a low quality thinking. And finally, it's important for the average American to understand, we don't just have one intelligence agency, the CIA. But at the time, we had 16. Currently, we have 17.

27:00 Because, of course, we've got Space Force that joined in and they have their own intelligence function. Now, the CIA takes the lead position in the community, despite what the director of national intelligence might think. And the CIA is the only intelligence agency officially allowed to undertake missions. It makes it to the tip of the spear in our dealings with other countries and one most likely to stir up rather than solve problems.

27:29 The intelligence community with the CIA as its unchallenged head has become the levitant of our governmental system, seeking to bring more and more things under their control, silently stealing away those rights and obligations that once belonged to free people. And I don't think any of us would disagree with that. What chain of events led me?

27:54 to turn renegade against the CIA. The first was the attack on my family. The second was my investigation of the unanswered questions about 9-11 and the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. Both of these involved Buzzy Krongard. The man certainly got around. It's my intention to make sure he doesn't get away before you learn the truth about him. In 1999, while Krongard was busy working as minister without portfolio at the CIA,

28:23 I was assigned to a classified domestic base to ensure the security of the base and protect the cover of the base. Let me say that again. A classified domestic base. It was the kind of job I always liked, dealing with men and women who were willing to put their lives on the line for the country. I would find out that some of the occupants of the base boasted that they were trained killers.

28:50 It was a bright sunny June morning in Plains, Virginia, where I lived with my wife and our three kids. I recall the last morning walking across our front porch, looking out over the grass, and basically he describes he lived kind of like the ideal setting with his family. He remained on the front porch and was basically gathering up his kids and his wife.

29:21 to leave because he got transferred. They had the U-Haul truck there. They all got in and they all drove away. At the CIA, I was an analyst and I'm aware there are facts of which one can be relatively certain in the interpretation of such facts, which can be subject to high degrees of error. Let me tell you some of the things which I know are facts because of what I uncovered about the risk to our

29:50 personnel overseas, I had embarrassed the director of operations for the CIA. And he's talking about that computer system that had the built-in back door that was a vulnerability. The people who do bad stuff like blackmail, dirty tricks, election interference, and assassinations. That's where he was working, the director of operations. It was hard for me to forget that I had already been overseas without an official cover story and placed in close proximity to an Iranian assassin.

30:17 who for some reason decided not to kill me. Then my family and I were sent to a secret base. I'm forbidden to reveal the name of that CIA facility because it's located on American soil. But the New York Times did it for him. That article was written in February 10, 2011. And we're going to quote a few passages of that article throughout this part.

30:45 Quote, in many ways, the personal injury lawsuit looked routine. In late 2001, a government employee and his family sued the agency. And they're talking about Kevin Shipp suing the government, saying it had placed them in a mold contaminated home that made them sick and required nearly all of their possessions to be destroyed. But this was no ordinary case. The employee was Kevin Shipp, a veteran of the CIA. His home was at Camp Stanley.

31:15 We've talked about Camp Stanley. Early on, like two years ago, we found out that the CIA had a secret facility just outside of San Antonio that had massive amounts of weapons stashed there. That's where they reassigned Kevin's ship. It was an Army weapons depot just north of San Antonio where the drinking water was so polluted with toxic chemicals, the post includes a secret CIA facility.

31:47 it needs to protect state secrets outweighed ship's right to a day in court. The government persuaded a judge to seal the case in order the family and their attorney not to discuss it and to later dismiss the lawsuit without ever hearing the merits. Mr. Ship said, you might be asked, unquote, you might be asking yourself, what does state secrets privilege by the government have to do with whether a family might have suffered from mold and other toxics exposure?

32:17 You'd be right. It doesn't make any sense. But the government had been pulling this same kind of misbehavior since 1948, when the state secret privilege was first asserted. Unraveling these issues of national security can often take decades, and this situation was no different. In 1948, an Air Force B-29 crashed at Waycross, Georgia, killing the four men on board.

32:42 On August 9, 1950, a lawyer for the widows of the three civilian engineers who died in the crash requested a copy of the Air Force accident report to explain the incident. The government argued that the report could not be released without damaging national security. Air Force affidavits claimed the aircraft was engaged in a highly secret mission in the United States.

33:07 In response to the judge's request to produce the report, the assistant attorney general for the federal government stated, we contend that the findings of the executive branch are binding upon the judiciary. You cannot review or interpret it. That is what it comes down to. The judge didn't agree and found the government in default. An appeals court unanimously agreed with this decision. However, in 1953, the case made its way to the Supreme Court.

33:34 The court reversed the lower decision and for the first time, there was an official recognition of state secrets privilege. Fifty years later, a Freedom of Information Act request revealed that the crash had been caused by a faulty landing gear and did not involve any state secrets at all. The government had simply used the privilege to cover up its negligence and the Supreme Court was happy to assist.

34:03 It was ironic because our revolution against King George III was because of his arbitrary use of power against us. The state's secret privilege, as it had been applied against my family and others, is nothing short of appalling. Let's return to the New York Times article. Mr. Shipp recently completed a memoir filled with unclassified documents that he had to back up his assertions.

34:29 He says that he submitted the manuscript to the agency for the required publication review, but that it blacked out large swaths of information, like the accounts of his children's nosebleed, strange rashes, vomiting, severe asthma, and memory loss. Citing a confidential agreement he signed with the government, Mr. Shipp would not discuss where the secret facility was located, what his purpose was, which agency he worked for, or what his duties were. Still, he said, he was free to say,

34:59 that he worked at the CIA headquarters at Langley, both before and after his stint at this facility. The public documents from a separate lawsuit, which he filed against his insurance carrier over a claim for his family's destroyed belongings, make clear he was stationed at Camp Stanley, unquote. As you can clearly understand, by 2011, I'd been fighting the CIA for years, but I was still honoring my security oath. That was the deal I made, and I kept it.

35:28 But now that this information is in the public domain, I cannot confirm where I was stationed and can only refer to the location as a secret base. I know it doesn't make sense, but that's the government for you. But let me tell you about how my family suffered during the two years we lived at this house. My wife, Lorena, was bedridden with headaches so severe she was treated with Demerol and lost her short-term memory.

35:58 immune disorder as a result of exposure to significant toxins and eventually described his immune system as resembling someone who had had a burst of radiation. Mr. Shipp's ex-wife, because eventually they get divorced because of the stress on their family, Lorena Shipp and one of his sons, Joel Shipp,

36:20 NOW28 said in interviews that the CIA had assigned Mr. Schiff a high-ranking job at the facility to uncover suspected security breaches. That was the excuse they used. This was a retribution of him not playing along with them. And Krongard was 100% responsible for this. Back to the New York Times article.

36:48 The family moved to an Army-owned house on Camp Stanley in 1999 and left in 2001. It was not clear what took place at the CIA facility, but the camp had been used as a weapons depot for generations. Joel and Lorena Shipp described bunkers and many old weapons, including Soviet weaponry. Now, keep in mind, this is critically important because

37:15 Do you remember what I was telling you about in Afghanistan during our working with the Northern Alliance during the 1980s when Russia was in Afghanistan? And you remember me telling you how the CIA and the ISI in Pakistan was buying Soviet weapons to give to the Afghans instead of using the money that they were allotted? And they were allotted a shit ton of money.

37:43 tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars to equip the resistance, and I put that in air quotes, in Afghanistan against the Russians, they were buying Soviet used old weapons from Bulgaria with that money and pocketing the rest. So it makes perfect sense that those Soviet weapons would make their way to Camp Stanley. Okay.

38:13 They also said that they would occasionally see officials performing tactical drills and sometimes items were burned or buried there. The house that our family was moved to was planted on top of buried ammunition. One time, me and my little brother dug up mustard gas shells. That was Joel saying that. Unquote. I understand my background as a CIA officer.

38:44 might make me a little more suspicious than the average person. But if I'd been handed the story of some foreign intelligence agency who'd uncovered wrongdoing by his agency, then learned that he had been sent with his family to live in a house with buried ammunition, including mustard gas, underneath it, and they had gotten sick, I would have reported it to my superiors as a likely assassination attempt.

39:12 The security officer at the base informed me that the house had been contaminated and that he and his family had been evacuated from that house due to the illness of their family. The CIA knew the house was contaminated when they ordered my family to live there. A base official who had become a close friend secretly advised me that the chief of the base paid a visit to his office and removed all files documenting the contamination.

39:40 that had already been documented. Often, I've often said that one of the dangers about intelligence work is that you're taught to lie so much, it eventually becomes a habit you can't turn off. You lie about everything that might be unpleasant. I joke that it's like an alcoholic, that once you leave the CIA, you have to go through a 12-step process. The chief of security guards who had also become a confident

40:11 because of my strong support of the security guard force at the base, came to me late one night to confide he had found a large pile of glass containers containing a clear liquid in a remote part of the base. His account matched that of mustard gas storage containers. While many of his base employees, he lacked confidence in the leadership of the base, but was afraid to tell anyone. The retiring chief of the secret base shared his concern that

40:41 Deer gun assassination pistols, a single-shot 9mm pistol designed to be Vietnam's war version of the World War II Liberator pistol, likely from Operation Phoenix, were buried there and beginning to percolate to the surface. I actually held one of them in my hand. The fear of the weapons might be discovered by environmental contractors was raising uncomfortable questions.

41:09 It was as if the earth itself was disclosing CIA's murderous secrets. Whether it was the result of buried munitions under our house, the house was riddled with black mold. Where the government momentarily entertained the possibility our family could be affected by something, they tended to blame the black mold rather than the munitions. When Lorena and I first saw the house, we were not enthused.

41:37 It had not been lived in for years. One of the first things we did was repair it. The walls were rotten from water damage and broken pipes. So they had to go in there and fix it to even bring his family in. They had requested multiple times to move off base and every request was denied. So they rolled up their sleeves. They fixed it. They made it as nice as they could.

42:09 It didn't matter. They still got sick. We'd been living in the house for three months when our youngest son came running into the bedroom with blood streaming from his nose. He was scared, but I comforted him, applying pressure to his nose, and we laid down. He kept going back to the doctor. Personally, I don't know how this guy lasted two years, but he did. His wife starts having severe headaches. She couldn't get out of bed.

42:38 He keeps taking them to the doctor. The doctors keep saying there's nothing wrong with them and or they can't find what's wrong with them. And one of them, it says Lorena's symptoms with the chief executive assistant. He was talking about his wife's symptoms who lived next door. She told me that her daughter had been bedridden, suffered severe headaches, memory loss and disorientation.

43:09 eventually go see a neurologist. And basically there is a determination made that obviously the black mold is dangerous. And again, they're back and forth, back and forth to the doctors. Eventually it became so bad. I went to sleep in the living room so that he wouldn't disturb his wife who kept coming down with bronchitis. Now here's,

43:39 This is where this struck me. The first two years I was at the Pentagon, I was stationed in the basement of the Pentagon. Now, again, before I went to the Pentagon, I had no idea. There's actually seven floors, not five. Five of them are above ground. Two are below. There's a mezzanine level and a basement level. We were in the basement level. The entire two years that I was there, I must have had bronchitis seven times. There was finally an air quality.

44:09 review that was done of the basement area, they found dead rats in the air conditioning venting. They were basically gassing us the entire time that I was stationed at the Pentagon. They knew that that was a problem and they never did anything to fix it. Because what we found out later is that that had been a reoccurring problem. And so instead of actually checking routinely for the air quality of people that were stationed in the basement, they didn't give a shit.

44:39 So I know firsthand what this guy is going through. Not to the extent I was not exposed to mustard gas that I know of. But I know and have suffered through many of these same things. So his son comes walking in with a discovered mustard gas shell into the house. And so he's got all kinds of crazy things going on.

45:09 It was getting too much and I needed to take this up the chain of command. And to whom did my request go? None other than Buzzy Cromguard. We had discovered the black mole beneath our house and that it was in our air ducts. After four requests to the CIA headquarters to get my family out of the house due to the refusals of the command not to disclose it, I made my case to the CIA management. The chief of the base ordered me to use my American Express card.

45:38 to pay for an evacuation expense, moving the family back to Virginia. The order was likely given by Buzzy Krumgaard. My wife, Lorena, was present at the meeting. Twice we asked the chief of base for that order in writing. He refused both times. Because of the widespread contamination, the cleanup company, Servpro, removed all of our possessions, furniture, clothes, children's toys, everything. They were eventually destroyed.

46:09 because they were so contaminated, they could not be maintained. His wife had priceless heirlooms among them. They were originally told that they were going to be quarantined and decontaminated. That did not happen. It was only after I contacted ServPro that a series of events unfolded, which made me question the basic decency of the CIA.

46:35 When the CERBRO technician went into our house, she told me that her tongue swole up and she had to leave. There was clear evidence of an environmental hazard. However, before she could start work, she received a call from another company called Rabakistner, R-A-B-A-K-I-S-T-N-E-R, the CIA's environmental contractor on the base. They offered her a job.

47:02 that the salary was so significant she couldn't refuse. So they bought off the one person that was going to be able to make a statement about how contaminated that place was. Money is power in the CIA and it throws it around with a secret budget with impunity. A week later, they received a certified letter from the family doctor whose office was near the facility explaining she could no longer see the family.

47:33 but provided no explanation for basically kicking them out of her practice. When I received a letter from the environmental expert at Texas Tech University regarding my situation, I discovered it had already been opened. I guess that's one of the perks of being under surveillance. Your mail goes through pre-opened and pre-read. Under my desk in the main building, I found wire tappings. The base official slipped and mentioned details.

48:01 about the suspected toxins that my wife had only discussed in the privacy of their bedroom. Several times I saw a black sedan parked in the driveway across from our house with unknown individuals in it. I was the executive officer at the base, also in charge of any and all security, as well as responsible for emergencies on getting the people that were CIA out of there safely in case something should happen.

48:27 The chief of the base never answered my questions as to who the people were sitting in the black sedan, who was obviously eavesdropping on him. The chief of security guards advised me that my family was being spied on by individuals hiding in the woods across from the house. While on deployment to foreign countries, I expected to be under surveillance, but never in my wildest dreams would I suspect the CIA.

48:55 in the United States, would be spying on me. The second night he was back in Virginia, he received a call from Servpro telling me that if I didn't pay the entire $15,000 fee to disinfect everything, that all of his shit was going to be destroyed. It was clear the CIA had gotten to them. Back in Washington, D.C. a day later, I was called into a mandatory meeting. My polygraph division

49:23 Supervisor, obviously under orders, got in my face and tried to anger me. They could not get me on anything, so they started ratcheting up accusations to push my buttons. I kept my cool. As soon as my lawsuit hit the courts containing the environmental evidence and toxic blood results, I was ordered into a meeting with the new polygraph division chief. He had been reassigned to the polygraph, which is basically a huge demotion based on what he had been doing in the past.

49:53 He was ordered to report to a CIA officer of medical services for blood and psychological testing. The office of medical services would falsify a diagnosis that I was paranoid and that blood tests revealed nothing. Sadly for them, I had kept the reports of a third party environmental expert and immunologist who examined me and my family and had documented toxic exposures. I respectfully declined and told them that I would.

50:23 pass the request on to my lawyer. Even at the moment of stress, I thought the humorous moment from Jim Carrey's movie Liar Liar, when after telling all the members of his law firm what he really thinks, he says, see you later, dickheads. My attorney thanked me for keeping those thoughts in my head and not saying them out loud. Next, I was called into the CIA outer building.

50:51 under orders to meet with a security officer. Sadistically, they picked an officer who was a close friend of mine. The security officer told me Buzzy Crongard had ordered my blue badge be taken from me and all access to all buildings be terminated because he had misused his government credit card. So the CIA told him to use his credit card to move his family back. And then they are basically disciplining him.

51:19 for using his credit card, which is why that asshole at the base wouldn't put it in writing because they were going to do a catch-22 on him. He was walked out of the building in front of all of the protective people, many of which he had trained during his time as the trainer for those people. As long as I remained with the agency, I was under their control. I submitted my resignation, giving them 30 days, and I felt the freedom I hadn't felt in years.

51:50 Several years later, as a corporate program manager off-site facility, I was approached by a former official of the IG office of the CIA who had been hired by the same company as a program manager. He told an interesting story. He claimed the IG office had been ordered by the director of the CIA, George Tenet, and Buzzy Crongard to take me down because the CIA didn't want their chemical and other illegal weapons programs that they ran on that secret base to be exposed.

52:19 He profusely apologized for his part in it. Let me quote from one of the many medical reports we received as trying to heal ourselves from those events after I left the CIA. Using the state privilege, the CIA and their accomplices at the Department of Justice placed this and other medical records under seal for several years, preventing my wife and my family under threat of jail time from discussing any of our medical problems with anyone.

52:51 And he includes a letter that was dated September 8, 2003. And it basically is a letter from the licensed clinical psychologist. And I'm not going to read the letter, but basically it just goes in to explain everything that I just explained. It said that a man's self-esteem is closely tied to his job and career. And when that is damaged,

53:22 an enormous toll on him. I found that true to be myself, for myself, but I also had a mission. I needed to get my family better. How badly did the CIA want to keep the truth hidden? For four years, the CIA threatened me and my family with prosecution if we talked to anyone in the news, our immediate family, or anybody else. The agency had persuaded a federal judge to issue a gag order which sealed all information pertaining to our case.

53:52 so that we were even able to share it with our medical doctors. The judge had initially ruled in our favor for a personal injury lawsuit against the CIA and planned to hear the case in his court. We were later told the agency asked for and received a secret meeting with the judge, which our attorneys were not allowed to attend. His main attorney, Clint Blackman, was incensed.

54:17 After that meeting, the judge issued the gag order on every one of my family, instructing us not to use our real names when discussing the case. They did let us use fake names, however. And then he talks about what names they used. However, in a 2011 New York Times article demonstrated, I did give up. I didn't give up. I wrote a manuscript about what I had experienced, submitted it to the CIA for review, and they blacked out large portions of it.

54:45 So I published it anyway with the blacked out portions exposed and eventually some of the truth came out. Quote, Camp Stanley has a troubling environmental record. In August 2001, according to local news reports, military officials began distributing bottled water to residents nearby after it was discovered that the toxins from the camp had polluted the local aquaphor in the area, damaging all drinking water.

55:13 The ship said they were twice evacuated from the house after expressing concerns from their sudden health troubles. But Kevin Ship said his supervisor played down the problems, declaring the house was fine after its air was tested, although the windows and doors were open at the time, Mr. Ship said. Suspicious of a cover-up, Mr. Ship sent samples from his house to a scientist at Texas Tech University. His manuscript encloses

55:41 A Texas Tech report showing that the samples tested positive for toxic mold, unquote. These test results were sealed by the CIA using state secret privileges. The country learned that my secret base had environmental problems and the drinking water was contaminated and that samples from my house had toxic mold. What else did the country find out? They found out that the CIA.

56:09 CIA had acted in bad faith towards its employees. Because my evidence against the CIA was so strong, according to my attorney, the federal district judge told the CIA representatives, well, it looks like Mr. Shipp has you over the barrel. But the New York Times article continued, noting that the CIA had ordered into mediation a $400,000 settlement that was proposed and agreed upon, but that the government

56:37 withdrew the offer and invoked state secret privileges. In other words, when you're in the government, it's a case of heads I win tells you lose. The government is like the casino where they make up the rules and you're never going to win. I often ask why aren't there more whistleblowers like me? The answer is that it can take an enormous toll on a person and you need to be ready to pay that price.

57:07 Every secret operational program the U.S. government has a secrecy oath that they require the employees to sign. Even nowadays, the weather service, you might ask yourself, what could possibly be secret about the weather? Of course, we know what that is. Maybe the actual temperature readings or some geoengineering projects. Originally, these agreements protected legitimate sources and methods. That is not the case.

57:34 It's a science to destroy a whistleblower, and the government has come close to perfecting the recipe. If you persist, they will ratchet up the pressure by maybe raising the interest rates on your loans that you took out from the government credit union. You might try to pull some money out of your retirement account to which those increased interest rates, but to find that your access to those accounts have been blocked.

58:04 which is a felony under U.S. law. But you guys remember when we did that story about some of that declassified documents and one of the parts of it was all, if you're a clandestine officer or someone that they don't keep on the books, they had all of these front companies that carried loans and paid benefits for these people.

58:30 Well, if they do that, they have you over the barrel for the rest of your life because they can deny that the company even exists for what its purpose is because they were basically front companies doing the investments of your 401k and your retirement fund and everything else. And so they have literally, they have you by the balls. So it's interesting that some of the first questions raised about September 11th, 2001 attacks involved Buzzy Crongard.

59:02 and secrets he might have been trying to bury. One of the first anomalies noted was a large amount of short selling of United stock in the days before the attack on New York and Washington, DC. Two of the hijacked planes were owned by United and the other two by American. Quote, this is from a San Francisco Chronicle article.

59:24 article on September 29, 2001. Quote, investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made from trading options in the stock of United Airlines before September 11th attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades. The uncollected money raises suspicions that some investor whose identity and nationalities have not been made public had advanced knowledge of the strikes. Is Illini in here?

59:53 He's definitely going to have to listen to this. The source familiar with the United Trades identified Deutsche Bank Alexander Brown, the American investment banking arm of the German giant Deutsche Bank, as the investment bank used to purchase at least some of those options.

1:00:15 I'm not done with the quote, but I do want to insert this part. Deutsche Bank has been one of the favorite money laundering of the CIA. In addition to that, Alex Brown is the company that Krongard worked in. Quote, investigators' attention previously had been drawn to Germany because of the residents there earlier in the year of some of the principal suspects.

1:00:40 of the September 11th attack and unusual patterns of short selling of insurance, airline and financial company stock prior to the attacks, unquote. Normally, if someone had a financial windfall by betting against a company, there'd be a rush to collect the cash. But for some reason, whoever purchased those stock options weren't interested in collecting the cash yet. Maybe that like bank robbers.

1:01:07 who stole their loot in a storage locker, they didn't want the venture there again because they thought the authorities might be watching. Although the San Francisco Chronicle noted that the spectators hadn't picked up their money yet, the situation was still the same in mid-October, prompting this article from a British publication called The Independent. Quote, share speculators have failed to collect $2.5 million in profits from the...

1:01:36 fall of the shares of United Airlines after 11 September world trade attacks. The fact that the money is unclaimed more than a month later has reawakened investigators' interest in the story. Further detail of the futures trade that netted such huge profits in the wake of the hijackings have been disclosed.

1:02:00 To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the put options where a trader in effect bets on it falling on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by Buzzy Crongard, who is now the executive director of the CIA. Until 1997, Mr. Crongard was chairman of Alex Brown, the America's oldest investment banking firm. Alex Brown was acquired by Bankers Trust.

1:02:30 which in turn was bought by Deutsche Bank. It's certainly an odd occurrence, and we couldn't forget that the 9-11 Commission looked into the allegations and dismissed them as a quote-unquote coincidence. There's no such thing as a coincidence. However, as a criticism of the 9-11 Commission report has mounted in recent years, particularly their concealment of Saudi support in contact with many of the hijackers, the question

1:03:01 is whether the 9-11 Commission will join the Warren Commission investigations into the assassination of Kennedy as an object of ridicule. Now, again, as I pointed out earlier today, or maybe yesterday, John Brennan was at the Saudi embassy as a CIA officer and was part of the issuing of the visas for many of those people to come into the United States.

1:03:32 Where did we hear of him last? Oh, as the deputy director of the CIA, working with Krongard. We may end up having more questions about Buzzy Krongard in the future as more information comes to light. However, in an excellent book, Black 9-11, Money, Motivation, and Technology, author Mark Gaffney makes a number of assertions about Krongard at odds with the official narrative. Quote, George Tenet writes in his memoirs that

1:04:01 In February 1998, he recruited Buzzy Krongard to become his counselor, in which capacity Krongard probably served as Tenet's personal liaison with Wall Street. Krongard's known ties to the CIA, however, go back at least as far as 92. In the mid-90s, Krongard had served as a consultant to CIA Director James Woolsey. When he returned to finance and was named chairman of America's oldest investment firm,

1:04:30 investment banking firm, Alex Brown and Son, Inc., which in 1998 merged with Bankers Trust. In 1999, Banker Trust, Alex Brown, was in turn acquired by Deutsche Bank, the firm that placed the United Airline put options. In dealing with the intelligence, unquote, sorry, when dealing with the intelligence agencies, it can be like peeling back an onion.

1:05:00 There's an official story, the one that is printed in the pages of the Washington Post or New York Times. And it's important to read those stories because oftentimes they let slip out important facts. I often read such stories through a different lens, asking myself, what are they trying to broadcast to others in the intelligence community? The other question I usually ask is, where do they want my attention to go? Because I know it's being misdirected.

1:05:28 The CIA utilizes top people in business world to accomplish their objectives. If you think there's a division between the intelligence world and American corporation world, you'd be in for a rude surprise. And of course, we're not because we've already found the connection. We need to ask ourselves, what particular skill set did Buzzy Krongard provide the CIA? Black 9-11 provides a possible answer. Quote,

1:05:57 In 1998, Bankers Trust Alex Brown, that's the new name of Alex Brown once they were sold to Bankers Trust, refused to cooperate with a Senate subcommittee that was conducting hearings on the involvement of U.S. banks in money laundering activities. At the time, Bankers Trust Alex Brown, like other large financial institutions, was in the business of private banking, meaning that it catered to unnamed wealthy clients.

1:06:27 often for the sole purpose of setting up shell companies in foreign jurisdictions, like the Isle of Jersey, where effective bank regulations and oversight are non-existent. According to Michael Rupert, Crongard's last job at Alex Brown was to oversee private client relations, meaning that Crongard personally arranged confidential transactions and transfers for the bank's unnamed wealthy clientele. Like, unquote.

1:06:57 You know, like the CIA. As Gaffney goes on to explain, private banks are able to set up multiple offshore accounts in different locations using different organizations and names, which allow the quick and confidential transfer of money across international borders. Many of these private banking havens have laws that do not permit the bankers to know much about the accounts they set up, which gives them plausible deniability.

1:07:27 Some have suggested that the intelligence agencies have used these types of setups as banking havens for just that purpose. Now, again, I think he's being a bit coy here. There's no one that works in the CIA that doesn't know Paul Helliwell and Castle Bank or BCCI or Nugent Hand. It's not like it's possible. There's documented evidence of it.

1:07:56 The investigation of Buzzy Crongard's continued in Black 9-11. Quote, after Buzzy Crongard's departure to the CIA, his successor at Bankers Trust, Alex Brown, was his former deputy, Mayo Sattuck III, who had worked at the bank for years. In 1997, Sattuck helped Crongard engineer the merger.

1:08:24 Bankers Trust, and he stayed on after Deutsche Bank acquired Bankers Trust Alex Jones in 1999. According to the New York Times, Bankers Trust was one of the most loosely managed banks on Wall Street and during the 1990s was repeatedly rocked by scandal. In 1994, clients and regulators accused the bank of misleading customers about its risky derivatives products. The case went viral when tape recordings were made public.

1:08:53 that showed the bank salesman snickering about ripping off naive customers, unquote. One of the great things about utilizing a loosely managed bank like Alex Brown and Son Inc. is that it's much easier to cover up bad things when they come to light. You simply blame it on something like failure to supervise, a few rogue employees, and everybody just shrugs it off. Nobody cares about the people because they're rich.

1:09:21 Back to the article. Quote, in 1999, Bankers Trust Alex Brown pled guilty to criminal conspiracy charges after it was revealed that top-level executives had created a slush fund of $20 million in unclaimed funds. The firm had to pay a $63 million fine and would have been forced to close its doors, but for the fact that Deutsche Bank bought them.

1:09:50 According to the New York Times, Mayo Stattuck stayed on. You know, the guy that was responsible for all the shit weirdly stays on. Yeah, he was overseeing Deutsche Bank's 400 brokers who cater to the wealthy clients. Stattuck himself reportedly handled the private accounts of dubious, notable people whose names you're going to, again,

1:10:25 Aidan Khashoggi, you know, the guy that was the world's arms trader? Yeah, him. He had an account there. Seagram's owner, Edgar Brothman. Yeah, him too. So, his sudden unexplained resignation immediately after the 9-11 attacks must therefore be viewed highly suspicious.

1:10:52 Other parts of the government interested in law enforcement will often trip over these secret activities, and while they may not find the ultimate source behind the crimes, they may be able to punish the intelligence agency cutouts, of which Kevin Shipp believes Alex Brown was one of. He also thinks it's important to note that intelligence agencies may also keep many of their partners in the dark about their ultimate intentions.

1:11:21 One wonders what happened to Mayo Shattuck III in light of the 9-11 attacks and the revelation that his company had executed significant put options on United and American Airlines. This is speculation and conjecture, but seems reasonable given the facts. As early as...

1:11:42 1974, credible accusations were being made that the CIA was involved in the stock market, specifically in a book called The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, written by Victor Marchetti, a former CIA analyst and John Marks, who worked at the State Department. As Gaffney wrote in Black 9-11,

1:12:04 about Marchetti and Mark's book, quote, the authors assert that with the approval of top CIA leadership, a small group of senior officers for years played the stock market using CIA's employee retirement funds, certain agent and contract personnel accounts, and the CIA's credit union capital. In more recent years, the assets likely included slush funds that we talk about a

1:12:34 illicit sale of arms, particularly kickbacks from drug trade, plus assets derived from vast quantities of Japanese gold seized after World War II. And yes, I bought that book and I am reading it. That is Operation Golden Lily Gold, people. It all comes full circle.

1:13:01 Initially, the CIA played markets through a Boston-based brokerage house, but eventually the agency economists, accountants, and lawyers concluded that Boston broker investment strategy was too conservative, so they went out on their own. Unquote. My point in citing this work is not to prove the truth of the assertion, but to acquaint you with some of the more robust questions that need to be raised about the CIA.

1:13:28 As an example of asking the wrong question, the 9-11 Commission expressively asked whether al-Qaeda was manipulating the stock market in the days before the attack. The question not asked was the intelligence agency doing it. And that's how you know that these entire things are designed. All congressional committees and commissions are designed to hide the truth.

1:13:56 And then he gives an excerpt about what was put in the 9-11 commission, basically meaning that it basically hides the fact. It's like, oh, did Al Qaeda do that? Well, no, the CIA did it, who funded and created Al Qaeda. So they have their perfect cutout. And he goes on to say, let's see, we're almost done.

1:14:30 investigator, let me tell you what's wrong about the information. The U.S.-based institutional investor who purchased put options on United on September 6th and the U.S.-based option trader newsletter that suggested shorting American Airlines stock on September 10th were the same company, the former Alex Brown, which at that time had been acquired by Deutsche Bank and had previously been run by none other than Buzzy Krongard. Any sophisticated

1:14:59 Corporate criminal seeking to cover his tracks would have laid a false trail, such as having his company place what looks like a counter bet. Would our corporate criminal care if his company lost some money as long as he was going to make way more? Which is exactly right. That's called covering your tracks.

1:15:24 In Kevin Shipp's mind, the most dramatic set of accusations swirled around the role of Buzzy Crongard, the executive director of the CIA at the time of the attacks, whose former company placed bets against two airlines on which Al Qaeda terrorists would hijack. And of course, that's a big deal. He goes on to have a he's.

1:15:53 He cites several questions. It says sometimes other people would share buzzy secrets like Ed Hill, the former chairman of the board of the Bank of Baltimore, who in his 2015 memoirs spun a remarkable tale. And I'm just going to read some of it. He was asked in your new memoir, Hellstorm, that's the name of the guy. That's the name of the book. You disclose that you worked for the CIA for about a decade. How?

1:16:27 Were you recruited? Now, again, this guy worked at the Bank of Baltimore. OK, he's saying I was recruited in 1992. We just told you Krongard was recruited in 1998 officially. He was recruited to the CIA in 1992 by Buzzy Krongard, who was working at the time at Alex Brown.

1:17:00 I was chairman of the board at the Bank of Baltimore and we happened to be in the same building. What was Krongard's relationship with the CIA? Hale goes on to say, I don't know. I don't think it was official. But eventually he became the number three guy under George Tenet. But at the time, I don't think he was there officially. This goes on to say they asked him how it worked. And he said the CIA would either send me a resume or the handlers.

1:17:34 would come over with people who were to be given credentials by me, Hail Trans, Baltimore Blast. I would hand them shirts, hats, cards, and I would send them on their way. They were not my employees. They were, in fact, paid by the agency. That's how their compensation was. So it didn't get too complicated. I would just give them identities as if they worked for me, as opposed to someone being a military attache.

1:18:03 or cultural attache to an embassy in Libya, they would show up there with my credentials, as if they're bank employees. He was then asked, did Mr. Krongard or anyone else in the CIA ever explain why they picked you? They could have gone to any number of people, and I'm not aware that they went to anyone else. Maybe they did, but I was the one that was the most plausible because I was in international shipping.

1:18:31 I had tugboats and barges. They would go to the Mediterranean. They would go to Alexandria, Egypt, Cyprus. They would go to all of these, you know, maybe unfriendly countries. And there was a reason for me to send people to go there and make sure everything was being transacted properly. But instead of sending his employees, he was sending CIA agents, pretending to be his employees.

1:19:00 In other words, Hale had an extremely effective cover story for countries in which he operated. When his book came out, reporters questioned Krongard about the assertions. This is what he said. Hale's 2014 book had some interesting details about why Krongard had picked him. Later, Hale was also told his help was desperately needed because of problems the agency was having deploying operators to certain areas.

1:19:36 And that Democrat Congressman Robert Torch Torselli was asking too many questions. Have we answered the question of whether CIA uses leading American businessmen to conduct operations? Hale was now part of a shadowy CIA group of agents given non-official cover and pronounced. So they call the non-official cover Knox.

1:20:07 N-O-C-S, who typically posed as business executives for the next nine years, agency operatives purportedly worked for him, were dispatched to Uzbekistan, Cyprus, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and many other countries. This arrangement worked out for the most part, except for the time he was in Israel and interrogated by agents of the Shinbeck.

1:20:33 Israel's internal security service, who became suspicious of his activities. However, the attacks on 9-11 changed his status with the agency as they finally had the justification they needed to take more extreme countermeasures without having to use people like Hill. So basically, they didn't need him anymore because now, thanks to 9-11, they had a lot more leeway to do whatever the hell they wanted to and go wherever they wanted to.

1:21:04 So, Buzzy did a video interview with his granddaughter who was working on a family history project and his granddaughter posted it on the internet. The story he tells is remarkable of being recruited by the CIA when he was at Princeton University in 1958. And for many of those years, he led a double life. He was recruited.

1:21:38 Are you listening to me, hamster? By the dean of students. Now, you guys remember in our secret society series, we talked about all of these people from all of these grooming high schools that end up back at these universities as deans. And I made the comment that they are recruiters and they most certainly are. And that he was working for the CIA the entire time he was at Alex Brown.

1:22:10 He goes on to explain that this was in the context of the quote-unquote Cold War. It's pretty clear that Quangard tells his granddaughter the best universities in the 1950s were talent scouts for the CIA, and they are still today. Once recruited, these top students go on to business, academia, media, and the entire time they're on the payroll of the CIA. So, there you have it.

1:22:41 That took a little longer than I thought. But I think you guys understand just how evil the CIA is based on that chapter. So we've got time for just a few comments and then I've got to run. OK, let me bring Bridget back up. Go ahead, SR71. Thank you, Colonel. And thank everybody for attending today on such short notice, even though we were told yesterday.

1:23:15 It's okay. I hope you enjoy your car show. But looking at what's going on here with Krongard and Kevin Schiff, Kevin Schiff lost everything he could possibly lose. When I stop and look at what's going on here concerning his family and everything else and the extent that the CIA went to make sure.

1:23:48 that that he was going to lose everything from guard on the other hand when i look at him his wife has one hell of a resume if you take a look at what she's been doing and and how she fits into this puzzle as well tell everybody i looked at deutsch bank and deutsch bank itself you mentioned they paid us well a 16 million dollar fine was was paid and and deutsch bank

1:24:19 of course, bought a bank. And I'm looking at that saying, well, there was a hell of a lot more than $16 million in that bank versus either that or that bank was going to lead the Deutsche Bank in the end. So why not buy it? Correct. Tell them about what you find out about Krongard's wife. Krongard's wife, she was born around 1956. Nobody has a date on her.

1:24:54 But she had a 23-year tenure at Invesco, where she became the managing director of the individual investor group overseeing marketing sales, client relations for mutual funds, retirement plans, college savings programs, managing over $10 billion in assets. She held positions in Cigna.

1:25:21 She served as CEO of Rothschild Asset Management North American Operations, managing $7 billion there. She served on multiple boards, Legg Mason, Under Armour, Air Lease Corporation. She was also director at University of Wisconsin Foundation and trustee emeritus.

1:25:50 of the Madison Museum of Contemporary Art. This woman has been all over the place. And also, not mentioned in that book, but Krongard goes on to become a board member of none other than Blackwater. Just FYI. So, Southern, go ahead.

1:26:23 Yeah, Buzzy knew Eric Prince, and he brought them in. What was interesting in that time frame, I had found information that he had been part of the CIA, because he spent his first three years from Princeton going in as a junior military officer for the Marines for three years. Yeah. And he was at some interesting bases, let's just say that.

1:26:54 He actually was part of the CIA. But what they did with him at the bank, investment bank, this was around the timing of the dot-com booms going on. And CIA needed money. So they, because of Crongard, they were able to do the IPOs like for Oracle at that bank, et cetera, et cetera. This allowed the CIA.

1:27:23 to make a ton of money. Also too, with the Patriot Act post 9-11, the Patriot Act was a critical leverage or wedge that happened where these IT companies exploded because now data, data, data and government funding, Google wouldn't have got off the ground without federal contracts. So there was a lot of interesting money flowing during that time.

1:27:51 So that was interesting. And when Deutsche Bank bought them, a lot of their investors were Jewish. So when Deutsche Bank bought them, they left. And they could have, with Banker's Trust, and Deutsche bought Banker's Trust. This became a huge problem, but they still got $10 billion for the bank. So who was covering that? So that was an interesting little hitch.

1:28:19 That happened in the banking industry with them. But Krongard was tied into a lot of these tech companies that were starting, including also Starbucks, Amazon, all of this. And because of that, there was a financial play. But what startled me the most about Krongard, he helped work with torture.

1:28:46 waterboarding and all that, Colonel. So why did the Jewish people leave Deutsche Bank? No, no, no. Yeah, no. The Jewish bank, the Jewish investors in his bank left. They were purchased by Bankers Trust and then Deutsche Bank came in. Deutsche Bank, German, his bankers, his investors left. His customers, they left. Because of Deutsche Bank's ties to Nazi Germany?

1:29:15 Exactly, exactly. But they got protected with Bankers Trust coming in and kind of salvaged them. So it was kind of ironic. You made the comment, oh, I'm leaving a $4 million salary. He would have been bankrupt the next year. Think about that. Because of his customers leaving the bank because of the new owners. Because the Jewish were like, yeah, we're not dealing with Nazis. So I find that ironic he would make that statement.

1:29:46 But regardless of that, they got bailed out by the CIA impacting that. But, you know, everybody talks about all these finance people. But if you look at the OSS, when it was recruiting, it was bringing in a lot of the global finance people because they knew how to do everything. And you've got to have money, and you've got to be able to hide money. And you've got to have resources, gold, everything else.

1:30:12 That's a lot of them that came in initially, so I'm not surprising. They would go after somebody like a crong guard to be in a position to play with this money because we had that boom of IT.com because our business exploded during that time. And I kept going, where's all this money coming from? Because we were seeing federal money, but we couldn't follow the trail because you couldn't get the transparency then. So it was bizarre.

1:30:41 Oh, hold on a second. I have a, I don't know where that piece of paper is. I have a diagram somewhere. Apollo Management is in the funding of the private military and private intelligence organizations. I have a chart that I drew somewhere. Hold on. I think this is it right here. Apollo Management. Yeah.

1:31:13 So Apollo management had Leon Black. Leon Black was tied to all of the Drexel Burnham Investment Bank and the junk bonds and Michael Milken. And Apollo bought Constellus Group, which was a holding company that basically

1:31:38 Tim Reardon was the CEO who is affiliated with the CIA as well. And they had ties to a company called Reardon who shared managers with Lockheed. And the Leon Black, when he was in charge of Apollo, was on the board of

1:32:07 several different sovereign wealth funds that was tied to the UAE and many other organizations. And that's who he married. That was his second marriage. So, yeah. Yeah. And I think that was like 2021 when Leanne Block had to retire because of the scandal with Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. And the funding there. Okay. Yeah. I thought it might be the same.

1:32:38 Wow. That's just so much information and goes to the heart of everything that we've discovered. And that's the reason why I wanted to take this opportunity to do this book kind of in the middle of all of the other books, because it just concretes in your mind that everything that we've discovered over the last two and a half years is real. And you're hearing it out of the horse's mouth from an actual.

1:33:08 insider inside the CIA. So I think that's critical to all of this. And I wanted to just take this kind of, this book as an affirmation of all of the hard work over the last two and a half years of putting this puzzle together to go through it and show you guys that we know what we're doing and we found it all on our own. Bridget, go ahead.

1:33:38 This guy's story is such a perfect example of how much, how many times have we seen and talked about people in the belly of the beast that were expendable, that they treated just like they did this guy. Yep. I don't know how he managed to survive and come out and actually tell his story. And I'm sure the self-publishing was necessary, you know.

1:34:06 and that kind of stuff, because there's no way they would have let this out. But I think they're getting arrogant. They're getting just like the Democrat, well, just like we've seen. They have gotten so arrogant, and they think they're so untouchable, they just let it go, you know? Well, they tried to black out a bunch of it. They tried to keep him from publishing it, but he just was more sneaky than, I mean, they trained him well.

1:34:33 He knows by quoting other sources in his book as a quote, it's not him saying it. He's just quoting a newspaper article that's saying it. Right, right. I mean, the guy's, thank God he's on our side, you know, or at least not on their side. Yeah, exactly. All right. That's all I got for today, guys. Like I said, I promised I'll take a whole bunch of pictures tonight.

1:35:03 and post them. Maybe do a short video while I'm down there. But I wanted to send you guys out. There's lots of obvious things that you can look into as part of this whole segment if you're so inclined. But I wanted to send us out over the weekend with this. I didn't want to wait till Monday because it was too explosive. And we'll continue with the book on Monday.

1:35:32 So you guys have a nice weekend. Thanks, Colonel. Thanks. Thanks, Southern. Happy Friday, everybody. Happy Friday. Take care, everybody.

Entities here

CIA50 Buzzy Krongard49 Kevin Shipp25 September 11 attacks15 Alex Brown and Sons13 George Tenet13 Deutsche Bank11 Camp Stanley10 Bankers Trust8 United Airlines8 Lorena Shipp7 Ed Hale7 Mayo Shattuck III4 American Airlines4 Shipp v. CIA4 Mark Gaffney4 Shipp's Memoir4 Black 9-114 The New York Times4 Servpro3 Joel Shipp3 Waycross B-29 crash3 At the Center of the Storm: The CIA During America's Time of Crisis3 Bank of Baltimore3 United States3 9/11 Commission3 Apollo Global Management3 Soviet Union3 Leon Black3 John Brennan2 Bankers Trust New York Corporation2 University of Texas2 Afghanistan2 Mount Airy2 Saudi Arabia2 Egypt2 Langley2 Princeton University2 Cyprus2 Pentagon2

Claims made here

George Tenet appointed Buzzy Krongard book_quoted ▶ 2:03

“And just so everyone understands, 1998 is, let's see, we get Clinton in 92. So this is halfway through his second term. CIA George Tenet appointed Alvin Bernard Buzzy Crongard as his quote unquote cou…”

Buzzy Krongard member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 3:34

“Alex Brown, Incorporated, and the seventh largest bank in the country. At the age when most banking executives were looking to retire, he joined the CIA. Now, I use the word joined lightly because onc…”

Buzzy Krongard member_of Alex Brown and Sons book_quoted ▶ 8:54

“He was going to reshape the globe by fixing the agency. And everybody loved good old Buzzy because there was nobody like him. He was the man you wanted in charge, the ultimate alpha male warrior, the …”

Buzzy Krongard headed Alex Brown and Sons book_quoted ▶ 9:52

“Client first, firm second, individual third, unquote. Kevin Schiff, the author, then goes on to say, we see Krongard in the purest portrait of a corporate titan as a young man, driving himself relentl…”

George Tenet recruited Buzzy Krongard book_quoted ▶ 12:46

“at the center of the storm, the CIA's during America's time of crisis. Tenet wrote this, quote, one person I did bring in from the outside was Buzzy Crongard. He has been the CEO of an investment bank…”

George Tenet appointed Buzzy Krongard documented ▶ 17:07

“Buzzy Crongard to be the executive director of the CIA. And as we talked about yesterday, that's the number three position. In this position, Buzzy was the third highest ranking official in the agency…”

Buzzy Krongard member_of CIA documented ▶ 17:36

“Cider is a number three at the CIA. This was in the article. A.B. Buzzy Crongard, a cigar-chomping former investment banker and martial arts enthusiast, was named yesterday executive director of the C…”

Buzzy Krongard financed_via Bankers Trust New York Corporation documented ▶ 18:06

“wise counsel, and no-nonsense business-like views. Crongard, 64, former head of Alex Brown & Company, an investment bank based in Baltimore, joined the agency three years ago as a counselor to tenant.…”

Nora Slatskin member_of CIA documented ▶ 23:16

“a Capitol Hill staffer and Pentagon official who served as the executive director from 95 to 96 under then-CIE director John Deutch. One former agency official said that he found it absolutely astonis…”

John Deutch headed CIA documented ▶ 23:16

Kevin Shipp member_of CIA documented ▶ 30:45

“Quote, in many ways, the personal injury lawsuit looked routine. In late 2001, a government employee and his family sued the agency. And they're talking about Kevin Shipp suing the government, saying …”

CIA reassigned Kevin Shipp host_asserted ▶ 31:15

“We've talked about Camp Stanley. Early on, like two years ago, we found out that the CIA had a secret facility just outside of San Antonio that had massive amounts of weapons stashed there. That's whe…”

CIA covered_up Shipp v. CIA documented ▶ 31:47

“it needs to protect state secrets outweighed ship's right to a day in court. The government persuaded a judge to seal the case in order the family and their attorney not to discuss it and to later dis…”

CIA covered_up Waycross B-29 crash documented ▶ 33:34

“The court reversed the lower decision and for the first time, there was an official recognition of state secrets privilege. Fifty years later, a Freedom of Information Act request revealed that the cr…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Northern Alliance host_asserted ▶ 37:15

“Do you remember what I was telling you about in Afghanistan during our working with the Northern Alliance during the 1980s when Russia was in Afghanistan? And you remember me telling you how the CIA a…”

CIA laundered_money_for Northern Alliance host_asserted ▶ 37:43

“tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars to equip the resistance, and I put that in air quotes, in Afghanistan against the Russians, they were buying Soviet used old weapons from Bulga…”

CIA funded Rabakistner host_asserted ▶ 47:02

“that the salary was so significant she couldn't refuse. So they bought off the one person that was going to be able to make a statement about how contaminated that place was. Money is power in the CIA…”

CIA spied_on Kevin Shipp host_asserted ▶ 48:27

“The chief of the base never answered my questions as to who the people were sitting in the black sedan, who was obviously eavesdropping on him. The chief of security guards advised me that my family w…”

CIA removed_from_power Kevin Shipp host_asserted ▶ 50:51

“under orders to meet with a security officer. Sadistically, they picked an officer who was a close friend of mine. The security officer told me Buzzy Crongard had ordered my blue badge be taken from m…”

George Tenet ordered_assassination_of Kevin Shipp guest_asserted ▶ 51:50

“Several years later, as a corporate program manager off-site facility, I was approached by a former official of the IG office of the CIA who had been hired by the same company as a program manager. He…”

Buzzy Krongard ordered_assassination_of Kevin Shipp guest_asserted ▶ 51:50

Deutsche Bank funded CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:00:15

“I'm not done with the quote, but I do want to insert this part. Deutsche Bank has been one of the favorite money laundering of the CIA. In addition to that, Alex Brown is the company that Krongard wor…”

Buzzy Krongard headed Alex Brown and Sons documented ▶ 1:02:00

“To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the put options where a trader in effect bets on it falling on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 …”

Bankers Trust funded Alex Brown and Sons documented ▶ 1:02:00

John Brennan member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:03:01

“is whether the 9-11 Commission will join the Warren Commission investigations into the assassination of Kennedy as an object of ridicule. Now, again, as I pointed out earlier today, or maybe yesterday…”

John Brennan recruited CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:03:01

George Tenet recruited Buzzy Krongard book_quoted ▶ 1:03:32

“Where did we hear of him last? Oh, as the deputy director of the CIA, working with Krongard. We may end up having more questions about Buzzy Krongard in the future as more information comes to light. …”

Deutsche Bank funded Alex Brown and Sons documented ▶ 1:04:30

“investment banking firm, Alex Brown and Son, Inc., which in 1998 merged with Bankers Trust. In 1999, Banker Trust, Alex Brown, was in turn acquired by Deutsche Bank, the firm that placed the United Ai…”

Mayo Shattuck III succeeded Buzzy Krongard book_quoted ▶ 1:07:56

“The investigation of Buzzy Crongard's continued in Black 9-11. Quote, after Buzzy Crongard's departure to the CIA, his successor at Bankers Trust, Alex Brown, was his former deputy, Mayo Sattuck III, …”

Mayo Shattuck III member_of Bankers Trust book_quoted ▶ 1:07:56

Mayo Shattuck III member_of Alex Brown and Sons book_quoted ▶ 1:07:56

Mayo Shattuck III member_of Deutsche Bank book_quoted ▶ 1:09:50

“According to the New York Times, Mayo Stattuck stayed on. You know, the guy that was responsible for all the shit weirdly stays on. Yeah, he was overseeing Deutsche Bank's 400 brokers who cater to the…”

Adnan Khashoggi member_of Alex Brown and Sons book_quoted ▶ 1:09:50

Edgar Bronfman member_of Alex Brown and Sons book_quoted ▶ 1:10:25

“Aidan Khashoggi, you know, the guy that was the world's arms trader? Yeah, him. He had an account there. Seagram's owner, Edgar Brothman. Yeah, him too. So, his sudden unexplained resignation immediat…”

Alex Brown and Sons front_for CIA guest_asserted ▶ 1:10:52

“Other parts of the government interested in law enforcement will often trip over these secret activities, and while they may not find the ultimate source behind the crimes, they may be able to punish …”

John Marks member_of CIA documented ▶ 1:11:42

“1974, credible accusations were being made that the CIA was involved in the stock market, specifically in a book called The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, written by Victor Marchetti, a former CIA …”

Victor Marchetti member_of CIA documented ▶ 1:11:42

CIA funded Operation Golden Lily host_asserted ▶ 1:12:34

“illicit sale of arms, particularly kickbacks from drug trade, plus assets derived from vast quantities of Japanese gold seized after World War II. And yes, I bought that book and I am reading it. That…”

CIA covered_up September 11 attacks host_asserted ▶ 1:13:28

“As an example of asking the wrong question, the 9-11 Commission expressively asked whether al-Qaeda was manipulating the stock market in the days before the attack. The question not asked was the inte…”

Alex Brown and Sons carried_out_attack United Airlines documented ▶ 1:14:30

“investigator, let me tell you what's wrong about the information. The U.S.-based institutional investor who purchased put options on United on September 6th and the U.S.-based option trader newsletter…”

Alex Brown and Sons carried_out_attack American Airlines documented ▶ 1:14:30

Buzzy Krongard member_of CIA documented ▶ 1:15:24

“In Kevin Shipp's mind, the most dramatic set of accusations swirled around the role of Buzzy Crongard, the executive director of the CIA at the time of the attacks, whose former company placed bets ag…”

Ed Hale member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 1:15:53

“He cites several questions. It says sometimes other people would share buzzy secrets like Ed Hill, the former chairman of the board of the Bank of Baltimore, who in his 2015 memoirs spun a remarkable …”

Buzzy Krongard recruited Ed Hale book_quoted ▶ 1:16:27

“Were you recruited? Now, again, this guy worked at the Bank of Baltimore. OK, he's saying I was recruited in 1992. We just told you Krongard was recruited in 1998 officially. He was recruited to the C…”

Ed Hale member_of Bank of Baltimore book_quoted ▶ 1:17:00

“I was chairman of the board at the Bank of Baltimore and we happened to be in the same building. What was Krongard's relationship with the CIA? Hale goes on to say, I don't know. I don't think it was …”

CIA trained Ed Hale book_quoted ▶ 1:19:36

“And that Democrat Congressman Robert Torch Torselli was asking too many questions. Have we answered the question of whether CIA uses leading American businessmen to conduct operations? Hale was now pa…”

Ed Hale spied_on Shin Bet book_quoted ▶ 1:20:07

“N-O-C-S, who typically posed as business executives for the next nine years, agency operatives purportedly worked for him, were dispatched to Uzbekistan, Cyprus, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and many other…”

Buzzy Krongard recruited CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:21:04

“So, Buzzy did a video interview with his granddaughter who was working on a family history project and his granddaughter posted it on the internet. The story he tells is remarkable of being recruited …”

Buzzy Krongard member_of Princeton University host_asserted ▶ 1:21:04

Buzzy Krongard member_of Alex Brown and Sons host_asserted ▶ 1:21:38

“Are you listening to me, hamster? By the dean of students. Now, you guys remember in our secret society series, we talked about all of these people from all of these grooming high schools that end up …”

Buzzy Krongard member_of Cigna guest_asserted ▶ 1:24:54

“But she had a 23-year tenure at Invesco, where she became the managing director of the individual investor group overseeing marketing sales, client relations for mutual funds, retirement plans, colleg…”

Buzzy Krongard member_of Invesco guest_asserted ▶ 1:24:54

Buzzy Krongard member_of Under Armour guest_asserted ▶ 1:25:21

“She served as CEO of Rothschild Asset Management North American Operations, managing $7 billion there. She served on multiple boards, Legg Mason, Under Armour, Air Lease Corporation. She was also dire…”

Buzzy Krongard member_of University of Wisconsin-Madison guest_asserted ▶ 1:25:21

Buzzy Krongard member_of Air Lease Corporation guest_asserted ▶ 1:25:21

Buzzy Krongard member_of Legg Mason guest_asserted ▶ 1:25:21

Buzzy Krongard member_of Rothschild Asset Management guest_asserted ▶ 1:25:21

Buzzy Krongard member_of Blackwater host_asserted ▶ 1:25:50

“of the Madison Museum of Contemporary Art. This woman has been all over the place. And also, not mentioned in that book, but Krongard goes on to become a board member of none other than Blackwater. Ju…”

Buzzy Krongard member_of Madison Museum of Contemporary Art guest_asserted ▶ 1:25:50

Erik Prince member_of United States Marine Corps guest_asserted ▶ 1:26:23

“Yeah, Buzzy knew Eric Prince, and he brought them in. What was interesting in that time frame, I had found information that he had been part of the CIA, because he spent his first three years from Pri…”

Buzzy Krongard recruited Erik Prince guest_asserted ▶ 1:26:23

Buzzy Krongard member_of United States Marine Corps guest_asserted ▶ 1:26:23

Erik Prince member_of CIA guest_asserted ▶ 1:26:23

CIA funded Oracle guest_asserted ▶ 1:26:54

“He actually was part of the CIA. But what they did with him at the bank, investment bank, this was around the timing of the dot-com booms going on. And CIA needed money. So they, because of Crongard, …”

CIA funded Google guest_asserted ▶ 1:27:23

“to make a ton of money. Also too, with the Patriot Act post 9-11, the Patriot Act was a critical leverage or wedge that happened where these IT companies exploded because now data, data, data and gove…”

CIA funded Starbucks guest_asserted ▶ 1:28:19

“That happened in the banking industry with them. But Krongard was tied into a lot of these tech companies that were starting, including also Starbucks, Amazon, all of this. And because of that, there …”

CIA funded Amazon guest_asserted ▶ 1:28:19

Leon Black member_of Apollo Global Management host_asserted ▶ 1:31:13

“So Apollo management had Leon Black. Leon Black was tied to all of the Drexel Burnham Investment Bank and the junk bonds and Michael Milken. And Apollo bought Constellus Group, which was a holding com…”

Leon Black member_of Drexel Burnham host_asserted ▶ 1:31:13

Apollo Global Management funded Constellium Group host_asserted ▶ 1:31:13

Constellium Group member_of Lockheed host_asserted ▶ 1:31:38

“Tim Reardon was the CEO who is affiliated with the CIA as well. And they had ties to a company called Reardon who shared managers with Lockheed. And the Leon Black, when he was in charge of Apollo, wa…”

Tim Reardon member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:31:38

Tim Reardon headed Constellium Group host_asserted ▶ 1:31:38

Leon Black removed_from_power Apollo Global Management host_asserted ▶ 1:32:07

“several different sovereign wealth funds that was tied to the UAE and many other organizations. And that's who he married. That was his second marriage. So, yeah. Yeah. And I think that was like 2021 …”