The Colonel’s Corner Transnational Communism&Cold War Part 14

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0:00 Okay. Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon. I'm probably going to duck out a little early today. My son-in-law's birthday dinner is tonight. So I will be attending that. So we're going to go ahead and get started. Please, everyone, repost the space out. And as I mentioned yesterday.

0:31 We're going to talk about the transnational Christian networks that also facilitated the anti-communist theme during the Cold War. And just so that we get it on the record, the book that I was talking about yesterday is called Den of Spies by Craig Unger. And I posted that as well once we got off the space.

1:00 just in case you missed that post. As I know, they do try to not provide too much visibility for my post. So, all right, I'm going to go ahead and get started. For most of the Cold War, the International Council of Christian Churches, which is abbreviated ICCC, was the single largest international organization of self-designated fundamentalist

1:30 or Bible-believing Christian churches. And it was created in 1948, which already makes it suspect because everything that's evil was created in 1948. The CIA, all of that, the whole Gladio thing. So I thought that was kind of odd. And the emergence in 1975 of a rival faction.

2:01 of international scope was called World Congress of Fundamentalists. It was the only one of its kind, the whole worldwide information sharing, coordinating, and collaboration agency of fundamentalists that were Protestant. With nearly 400 member denominations in Western Europe, the Americas, Southeast Asia, the Sahara, Africa,

2:32 It claimed a membership of 55 million people. It maintained offices in Amsterdam and in Collingswood, New Jersey. On a semi-annual basis, it held international and national conferences. It published at least 34 periodicals in 16 different languages.

2:58 for 89 different countries. So it definitely meets the definition of transnational. It also had an extensive network of informants and collaborators from behind the Iron Curtain. From the very beginning, the ICCC was also the preeminent international voice for fundamentalist Christian anti-communist movement.

3:27 Its lifelong president, the controversial American pasture publisher and broadcaster Carl McIntyre, who was born in 1906 and lived until 2002, was the recognized leader of fundamentalist anti-communist in the United States. He also created an organization as a worldwide

3:54 He created the organization as a worldwide extension of his earlier American Council of Christian Churches, which was ACCC. It, too, was a transnational faith-based anti-communist organization. The key variable among the newer Cold War studies that investigated the role of non-state actors all too often continues to

4:27 study with a very narrow focus and does not explore how religion played a factor. There have been very few studies that track faith-based anti-communists as actors in their own right, and fewer still that examine them from a transnational point. Two writers, Martin Durham and Margaret Power, recently pointed out that the political and religious right

4:57 no less than the left, has long practiced transnational transfer of ideas, information, and resources. This is particularly the case with Christian groups, since by definition their allegiance on a God who is sovereign and transcendent, unlimited national boundaries seem to apply. The ICCC offers a uniquely fruitful entry point.

5:29 for it was a truly worldwide organization of conservative religious civil society groups led from the United States, but including representatives from around the world. The ICCC varied constituents shared a core faith value conviction about the immense and present danger of the communist ideology.

5:55 Carl McIntyre called Russia the most effective fifth column. The theology of liberal Christian groups in the West who had embraced a socially oriented understanding of the Christian faith, who sought peaceful coexistence between superpowers, and who in the World Council of Churches, WCC,

6:24 cooperated with clergy from behind the Iron Curtain. Throughout the Cold War, the WCC issued reports critical of free enterprise system, called for disarmament, and strengthening the UN. By the late 1960s, they initiated financial assistance programs for leftist revolutionaries in the Third World. Consequently, the clergy

6:52 of that organization regularly denounced the ICCC leaders as near communists themselves and as a principal carrier of communistic notions into Western churches for public discourse. Most ICCC constituent bodies critique the modern social democratic welfare state intended to endorse an unrestrained free enterprise system.

7:21 They engaged in faith-based linking of the Catholic Church and the United Nations, which they felt was a cohesive way to take on international communism. McIntyre was known to say that communism is anti-God.

7:49 This being so, every true Christian and every lover of the Bible must logically and necessity oppose communism. He would also add that communism has a global plan for the subjugation of all nations, that communism cannot rest until it conquers the world. He also said, quote, diabolical conspiracy for the destruction of human freedom and Christianity, unquote.

8:19 On these doctrinal bases, the ICCC, transnational anti-communism, there was a full agreement of all the different national and regional bodies and communities. This was evident in 1950 when the second plenary conference was held in Geneva, Switzerland, always Switzerland. The ICCC resolved that communism was false economically, morally, and spiritually.

8:49 that it was an atheist-based way to live, and that it stood for violent revolution and dictator based on force and unrestricted laws, which, you know, is comical at this point because that's exactly what the West was doing. Installing dictators, they have absolutely no faith in God at all, and

9:14 oftentimes created violent revolution in order to be able to install their dictator. So, it also says that because it promised to erect an economic democracy that was, according to the ICCC, the definition of delusional. The Christian Manifesto on World Communism and the Christian Church

9:45 was issued a year later by the ICCC's Far Eastern Council of Christian Churches, and this organization housed Reverend Moon's Unification Church, just FYI. So, and keep in mind that he was part of the World Anti-Communist League. So, definitely a carry over there. The Middle East, the ICCC's

10:20 Middle East Bible Council held that the Christian faith was diametrically and irrevocably opposed to anti-God materialistic tyrannical communism. Also, the Evangelical Council resolved that communism embodied an anti-Christian ideology rooted in materialistic view of life.

10:45 that was paving the way towards the biblical prophesied worldwide anti-Christian totalitarian regime of the end times. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that wasn't them, but whatever. Especially for its American leaders, Dutch members of the Reformed and Christian Reformed churches who directed its European offices in Amsterdam, this critique of communist ideology was part and parcel of a much broader faith-based

11:15 defense of the free enterprise system. McIntyre, in particular, profiled himself as an economic libertarian who stood for the neo-Calvinist doctrine of sphere sovereignty, originally developed by the Dutch Prime Minister Abraham Kuyper. In his view, and that of other neo-Calvinists, the divine law limited the state.

11:43 to assuring law and order and prohibit it from hindering operations of non-governmental civic organizations. Many of the ICCC non-reformed European leaders found such a defense of the free enterprise troubling. Their traditions of not mixing religion and politics, they maintained, too, that it was dangerous for European churches to be claiming that Christ favored capitalism, since in Europe,

12:13 The word capitalism had very negative connotations. On such a basis, most of the ICCC Western European leaders accepted some type of social welfare state. So, the Europeans, too, fell in line behind the 1950 resolution that called upon the churches to uphold the teaching of the Bible of responsibility of the individual to God rather than the state.

12:46 In their more conspiratorial moments, the organization's leaders maintained the theology, liberal churches, social democratic politicians, and the Vatican were all in alliance with the communists, attempting to make basically a UN into a communist one-world empire. Well,

13:16 Guess what? It wasn't the communists that were doing that. The biblically prophesied end times reign of the Antichrist that included the creation of one world church, they put on the communists. While in fact, the people that's responsible for the Cold War was doing exactly that. The ACCC repeatedly called for the United States to withdraw from the UN.

13:46 It campaigned for what was called a Bricker Amendment, which was a proposed constitutional measure that would have given the U.S. Congress veto rights over international treaties. In the view of the ICCC, key Dutch leader J.C. Maris, M-A-R-I-S, there was nothing basically different between the enthusiasm shown for the U.N. by the WCC

14:14 and the vain ideals of Marxism. They called it the tyranny of the Antichrist. Swedish Vice President David Hegengard wrote about the UN Secretary General Pog Hammarstolt, who we also know was a Swede that got murdered, as one of those who were implicated in the communist push towards a world government, a world dictatorship.

14:44 with a false religion. Finally, the ICCC, public theology, communism, and Roman Catholicism were inevitably seen as equally and mutually cooperating and a threat to free enterprise and the Western freedom. Ma'am, the rumble is not up. Oh. It's still playing the intro. Oh, shoot. All right. Sorry. That's okay. Didn't mean to interrupt. No, that's fine.

15:13 Let me go ahead and make that go live. I don't know why it didn't take. Yeah, I was tied up. And then by the time I got there, I was like, whoops, this isn't right. Okay. All right. So basically they're establishing the fact that the Christian, the one or two transnational Christian organizations were in,

15:47 the League of the Anti-Communist Movement and basically saw a communist behind every tree. Also, lumping other churches that they were in competition with on the communist side. So as to transnational networks, the information on what the churches had to endure.

16:11 under communist rule and how the clergy was being used by communist authorities, the ICCC relied on a network of informants and collaborators that its European representatives had started to build immediately after the Second World War. The European network always remained the broadest and most significant, but in the late 1940s, similar smaller ones were built.

16:39 Also in Southeast Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. And basically what we're talking about is the rat lines that took the within the Catholic Church that took the Nazis down. These are the exact hotspots of Gladio. Southeast Asia with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

17:04 So it looked in the Middle East. It looks very much like what we've talked about before with Turkey being in the Middle East. So McIntyre had also sent to Europe at, wait a minute, had sent to Europe as his special representative, his student and protege, Francis Schaeffer.

17:30 And in the first half of the 1950s, the Switzerland-based operative managed to recruit an impressive roster of contacts. Also important were the army chaplains placed throughout Germany and Austria as part of this network. They collaborated with people in the prison camps, and they also used Russian and East European immigrants as informants.

18:00 the Nazi-supported wartime prime minister of Ukraine who led the anti-communist bloc of nations, the ABN, Stetsco, who we've talked about a million times, the Intelligence Digest circle around the British anti-communist, Kenneth de Corsi, and at least one member of the major interfaith

18:28 anti-communist organization under Prince Otto von Habsburg, Committee for the Defense of Christian Civilization. Despite deep theology disagreements, the ICC would work even with anti-communist clergymen of the Eastern Orthodox churches. So as long as you were anti-communist, you were in. Of the networks outside of Europe, the most important one was Southeast Asia.

18:58 Originally, this ode to missionaries sent to the area by the Independent Board of Presbyterian Foreign Missions, a body that McIntyre controlled and was a part of the ICCC. And isn't that interesting since we've determined that missionaries play such an important part in the intelligence network and the propaganda to find out that this guy is also in charge of this large body of Presbyterian.

19:28 Also key was the pre-existing contacts of the first ICCC General Secretary, the former Dutch diplomat Arie Kok. Due to his service for over 30 years in the pre-revolutionary China, he knew many of the local anti-communist actors, meaning Chiang Kai-shek. He did an expanded tour with McIntyre in 1949.

19:57 McIntyre concluded that the future imbalance of world power is to be determined not in Europe, but in Asia. He invested much more energy and resources in that area than he did in Europe. ICCC Southeast Asian Network included high-ranking figures in government positions, particularly from Taiwan and South Korea. Imagine that.

20:28 It lines up perfectly with the World Anti-Communist League and the Unification Church and the drug lord, Chiang Kai-shek. The South Korean president in 1950s was Syngman Rhee, was a longstanding personal friend of one key ICCC official. Other ICCC representatives forged

20:53 close cooperative contact with the son of the president of Taiwan, General Shengkai Ku, who directed the country's secret police. Nothing like missionaries and church officials getting in bed with secret police. Nothing to see here. In the early 1960s, they were asked to provide religious anti-communist instruction to the Taiwanese military and talks.

21:23 were begun about allowing the ICCC to start radio broadcasts on the island. Occasionally, the ICCC received intelligence products from their Asian counterparts, including from intelligence officers in the U.S. occupation forces in Japan. The Taiwanese leaders worked closely with the well-connected members of the key regional strong anti-communist league.

21:51 called the World Anti-Communist League. The Asian network benefited from McIntyre's closeness to several key people in the China lobby. Holy crap! The collection of anti-communist politicians, newspaper editors, and businessmen who advocated forceful measures for supporting Taiwan and liberating mainland China from the communists. No mention at all.

22:20 of them being the drug lords of basically 90% of the world heroin. The ACCC president, W.O.H. Garmin, were members of the Republican Party, and they could rely on the China lobby politicians and others in the party to provide them with funding, and they received classified information from sources, and especially from the Variety.

22:50 the varied congressional committees that investigated communist version inside the United States. The ICCC, Middle Eastern, and Latin American networks, on the other hand, were less important at this time, obviously because the Catholic Church is fairly predominant in that area. In Africa, networking was complicated by McIntyre's well-known alliance with the Southern segregationists in the United States.

23:21 and his criticism of MLK. The implication of racism was compounded by McIntyre's vocal support for the white Rhodesian and South African government. Yeah, that'll do it. So basically, this has everything to do, if you guys can read between the lines, this guy's entire organization is lined up with Operation Gladio. And obviously, the authors...

23:52 have no clue what Operation Gladio is and don't see it. We have just articulated the entire religious overlay of the paramilitary version that we've gone over repeatedly. And it lines up perfectly. That's the reason why I was so interested in this book. Because again, when you read this understanding Operation Gladio, it literally says something completely.

24:22 Not different, but in addition to all of what they're outlining here, it just adds a whole other element to it. All power sources was being arrayed in order to create the effects of Operation Gladio. No area was left out.

24:54 Okay. It goes on and talks about how we have to liberate everybody from communism by basically, and they don't say this, but at the same time, this entire thing is going on, liberating people from communism. They're installing fascist dictators around the world in Guatemala, Iran, and Chile later on, and blah, blah, blah, in the Congo.

25:22 But once it came to more proactive measures, there emerged a significant and persistent disagreement between the organization's national and regional members. There were partly theological, partly culture, and partly they owed to the domineering and autocratic leadership style of Carl McIntyre. McIntyre, members otherwise in agreement with McIntyre,

25:52 represented his arrogance and how he was basically ruling himself as a dictator. From 1968 to 70, there were similar charges made elsewhere, and they led to McIntyre being ousted from the ACC and to the ACC's departure from the ICCC.

26:22 although some of the individuals stayed in both. The ICCC non-reformed leaders insisted that the organization never take official positions on what they called purely political matters. The taking of such positions was quite normal, indeed required for the reformed, but a significant part of the ICCC membership weren't necessarily interested in being political.

26:53 But obviously, McIntyre was very interested in being political. Starting in early 1948, Carl McIntyre and his American cohort called for a preemptive use of American armed forces to actually destroy the Soviet Union, as well as the Chinese communist regime. From then on,

27:19 They pressurized successive U.S. administrations to the sin. McIntyre himself testified before the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee in 1948, stressing that there are interests which God wants man to value above peace. Later that year, the ACCC as a body called for the complete and frank showdown with Russia, which included preemptive first use of nuclear weapons.

27:46 How's that for a religious organization? Let's go nuke them. From that year through the 1960s, the ACCC kept proposing that the contested islands of Queen Mimoy and Matsu be used as launching pads for an invasion of communist mainland China by U.S.-backed Taiwanese forces. Those are two of the other seven islands that the CIA secured.

28:16 for Taiwan. So those of you who haven't heard me talk about that, Taiwan is not just Taiwan. Taiwan actually consists of six or seven other islands that the CIA took from China, one of which is like two miles off their coast. And they launched attacks against China for decades after 1940, the mid-1940s.

28:42 And here this church group is calling for tax from those islands, which they definitely did. So it's like they're a mouthpiece for the CIA. The ACCC lent its endorsement to the rollback of Soviet power in Eastern Europe as well, saying that fighting communists on every front, rolling back the communist advances and winning the Cold War had to be the goal.

29:12 And basically in an anything goes goal to include espionage, subversion, economic boycotts, you know, starving people. That's the Christian thing to do. None of these calls for action were endorsed by the bulk of the ICCC. The Far Eastern Bible Council, particularly its Taiwan leaders, were highly supportive. But the farthest the ICCC would go corporately.

29:43 was to suggest a unanimous accepted resolution at the 7th World Congress in 1968 that said, quote, peaceful coexistence with communism is morally impossible. It must be exposed and opposed until it is defeated and its imperialistic policies ended, end quote. Meanwhile, this entire group is

30:12 perpetuating imperialism by dominating Latin America and Africa. There's nothing to see here. The ICCC insisted that the struggle in Vietnam must not be relaxed until victory is won because they believed in the domino theory of Vietnam. So you have to go fight and kill people just to make sure that they don't become communists, even though this was done.

30:41 Back in the day where you're within a decade of knowing Ho Chi Minh went to the after World War II peace conference with the Constitution in his hand and wanted to work with NATO and the United States and was told to pound sand. So it's not that these people don't know that. They're not even a decade away from it. And they're perpetuating every CIA talking point.

31:13 They also got involved in some proactive initiatives, one of which was called the Bible Balloon Project of 1953, where they used balloons to send Bibles into the Soviet Union and basically was engaged in some version of psychological operations that

31:42 they internally disagreed that they should even be involved in. So they got involved in using all kinds of initiatives that basically would have been defined as psychological operations, but was given large birth because they're a Christian organization. But it does, interestingly enough, as far as I'm concerned,

32:12 I think it's fairly clear that they overlapped CIA agenda 100 percent. So moving on to the next one, there was an organization that in 1966, the Portuguese Postal Service issued a special set of three stamps. The stamps were in reference to the Sixth International Congress of in a whole bunch of.

32:40 Portuguese words. I'm just going to tell you what the translation is. Committee International Defense of Civilization for Christians and the initials are CIDCC. The meeting was held in Lisbon at the end of March. What lay hidden behind the event could not be seen by looking at the stamps with their symbolic Christian images.

33:13 It was, in fact, the conference of an international anti-communist propaganda agency with sections in numerous countries of Western Europe as well as the U.S. and Latin America. In terms of its political influence and financial resources, the CIDCC was one of the most significant attempts of anti-communist forces in Western Europe in the period after the war.

33:41 It basically was called a Christian Cominform. Its operations were touted as religious and morally motivated. Its members represented a Christian conservative worldview and maintained close links with the Catholic Church. Their disapproval of communism was primarily based on the atheist doctrine.

34:13 although the CIDCC could certainly be described as one of the most significant reactions to the communist anti-religion offensive on public opinion in Europe. Unlike other international active anti-communist organizations like Peace and Liberty or the Congress for Cultural Freedom, which is the CIA, it has...

34:36 to date, remained largely unexamined. When any notice has been given, it has only been on the margins and in a very limited scope. The slogan, Christian civilization, which suggests a causative relationship between Christian belief and the advancement of civilization, arose in the course of the late 1800s and early 19th centuries as Catholic traditionalism

35:10 Response to Enlightenment and Revolution. In the second half of the 19th century, Christian civilization developed into determining principles about integrating that the Catholic Church explained as both the source and ideal of social existence. With the culmination of political crisis in the popularity of the Catholic lay movement in France in the 1920s and 30s, the term became interpretive model.

35:39 That was similar in meaning to the German concept of Ad bin Lin. Certainly, the notion of the synthesis of Christian and Germanic roots to the fundamental principles of European civilization would give us the concept of Christian civilization and stressed France's role.

36:08 As that of the oldest daughter of the church, it was directed against atheist communism and Germanic barbarism. The Catholic intellectuals called for France to return to the role of guardian of the Christian civilization. Among these was the church historian Paul Lessard, L-E-S-O-U-R-D, from the Institute of Catholic...

36:39 de Paris. Lessard came to the attention of the interwar period for proto-fascist betrayal of the Lateran Accords and for the publication of the History of Catholic Missions. He regularly wrote articles about church events and commentaries. He passed judgment on the division between the state and the church and called for France to be reconciled with the Catholic roots.

37:09 After the German occupation in 1940, Lessard appeared as the publisher and lead article writer of a collaborative weekly which closely connected the Action Catholic, which is the name of an organization, called for support of the Vichy regime, which are the people that are not the good part. They basically were the fascists of France.

37:38 as opposed to the de Gaulle faction, and preached the fight against secularism, Freemasonry, and communism. After 1947, with the support of the church circles and prominent protagonists of the early Vichy regime, such as General Wygrand and Admiral Lucien Lecraze, Lessard published a new Catholic weekly.

38:04 This paper, which saw itself as the mouthpiece of the Pope, was predominantly based on a translation of the Observatore Romano. It was particularly aimed at French priests and bishops. It had a companion publication that was meant for the Catholic layperson. And the founding of the CIDCC

38:31 which, according to its own account, had come about as a protest against the abduction of Greek children by communist rebels. The CIDCC, which, in contrast to the Sinner Catholic, again, that's a publication, also appealed explicitly to Protestants as well as the members of the Orthodox Church and humanists. It was a transnational operation from the outset.

39:00 a general plan of action between the different national committees, and they would construct a dam and establish a counterweight to communist and crypto-communist propaganda. They also said that they would organize and coordinate counter-propaganda in each country, effectively intervene in official international and national organizations, and the world had to be re-established on a Christian basis.

39:29 or sink into a communist materialism. The CIDCC was intended, in the face of a well-organized communist and anti-Christian international, to become the nucleus of the Christian international community. Most important to this effort was a man named, who was the Belgian Prime Minister, Paul van Zeelen.

39:59 The Christian conservative Van Zeelen was in contact with notable representatives in the monarchist, nationalist, and fascist elements. Now, keep in mind, this is Belgium. This is early on. And Belgium has colonies in Africa that they're not very Christian-like to at all. But they're all on board with this Christian organization.

40:30 Paul de Lanoit, by far the most significant financier of this movement, conservatism in general, and anti-communists specifically in Belgium during the 40s, 50s, and 60s. As a renowned European politician, Van Zeelen also had excellent international contacts at his disposal, which he had been able to deploy in his role.

41:01 as president of the committee. For his fight against atheist communism, Lesoyd won several supporters among representatives of the Franco regime in Spain. Again, this is fascist, not Christian in any way at all, fascist. The Spanish ambassador in Paris, Manuel Aguirre de Carcer.

41:35 declared himself ready to collaborate on their efforts. Also, there was an organization that basically did propaganda that was led by Fernando Martin Sanchez Julia. Contacts also existed with another organization that's basically the Institute for Cultural Hispanics.

42:03 which was affiliated with the Spanish Foreign Ministry and had excellent financial and publishing resources at its command. So they're going to begin working with Albania, Hungary and Poland, as well as Slovakia. And weirdly enough, that's exactly where the stay behind units under Galen tried to insert people repeatedly.

42:31 in the late 1940s and early 50s that kept getting killed. They would go on to establish entities in Portugal, which is where a gentry press was, the Netherlands, Switzerland, the U.S., Canada, Brazil, and Togo. Initially, there was no German section. This was due, on one hand, to continuing resentment in Western Europe towards Germany.

43:02 because of their wartime activity. At the same time, confessional obstacles made it difficult for Catholic-inspired Committee International to establish contact with German representatives. Lessord traveled to Germany to campaign for the foundation of a German section.

43:34 Thanks to his intervention, shortly thereafter became the German division of the European Committee of Peace and Liberty. So isn't that interesting that we showed the establishment of this Committee of Peace and Liberty being directly tied to the CIA, and they're actually in Germany using the previous office that was Peace and Liberty to be the CIDCC's presence in Germany.

44:04 I just think that's interesting. They set up student exchanges during the war. One of the members was responsible for the Weimar censoring of the press. It also, let's see, in this context that he met Lessard during his censoring activities.

44:33 One of the members, let's see, a good friend of the newspaper magnate Jean Le Cher, who was sentenced to death in 1946 for collaboration and high treason, was transferred to Greece in 1943. So they're definitely working behind the scenes and know some very high people. It goes on to say that they worked within the CIDCC.

45:03 Throughout all of Europe, doing poster campaigns, writing circulars, contacting priests, setting up training courses. Let's see. The German section soon took over the uncontested leadership role within the Committee International. The Christian now emphatically was inter-confessional orientation, well-represented.

45:34 basically all of the Christian segments. They had an influential supporter in the foreign office named Rudolf Hunes, J-U-N-G-E-S, who had meanwhile switched across to the diplomatic service, outsourcing the work of anti-communist propaganda that had several

46:01 advantages from the point of view of the state authorities. First, it spared them from public criticism and from the threat of comparison with nationalist socialist propaganda machines and it was very low cost. And so basically these guys are fulfilling the propaganda role that the state wants to do but wants to have plausible deniability that they're not doing it. It also

46:30 allowed them to outsource the money of that and use private funds to do it. So they were definitely lining up. And here's where they overlap. You guys remember the guy Antoine Panay that we talked about from Le Circle? Listen to this. After being named as the Belgium foreign minister in 1949,

46:55 Van Zeelen bestowed only limited attention to this organization. At the same time, faced with a limited number of customers and a bottleneck in finances, Le Sourd's publishing activities came to a standstill. International meetings hardly ever took place anymore. The German section therefore made contact in February 1957 via the Paris embassy with some politicians.

47:25 from the former French prime minister, Antoine Panay, the guy that created Le Cercle, who was absolutely part of the intelligence community. And he clearly saw a useful political instrument in the CIDCC and promptly reestablished the French section.

47:54 and ensured it was properly funded. So the man pulling the strings behind the development was Panay's long-standing companion, Jean Vallée, spelt Violet, who we talked about several chapters ago. He provided the international legal advice. He was also a volunteer in French SDECE, which is their intelligence branch,

48:26 which is their version of the CIA. So again, nothing to see here. The entire Christian international anti-communist thing is lined up to basically be an SDECE was the organization that gave birth to OAS and their Operation Gladio Network. So it crazy that you find this information.

48:55 in the place you would least likely look for it. Okay, so it goes on to say that they were being used as a lever against the communist regimes and that many aspects of the concept of positive anti-communism was later presented by the Interdoc Network, again, CIA.

49:22 After 1957, the Committee International actively brought these ideas into the international debate over psychological operations and thereby put itself forward as a partner to NATO. Again, not even making this up. So it goes on to talk about how they interfaced with Greece, the Netherlands, Switzerland.

49:54 All of the different basically Sweden, Austria, all of the different NATO organizations. It also says that the CIDCC did not join in with the other worldwide coordination of anti-communist propaganda agencies advanced by the Asian People's Anti-Communist League, which basically turned into the World Anti-Communist League, but they didn't have to.

50:25 It says in March of 1958, with the Anti-Communist World Council, Congress, sorry, and moved on to form the World Anti-Communist League in 1966, which comprised of the anti-Bolshevik bloc of nations, which we just talked about. And so they were all in the same circles without necessarily.

50:55 having to join it formally. And basically they functioned as a counterpart. He goes on to say this, that they functioned as a Christian counterpart to the World Anti-Communist League. And this is crazy. Okay.

51:23 It raised itself to the level of a global organization and positioned itself as the Christian alternative to the emerging world anti-communist league. By the end of the 50s, initial contact had been made with Uganda. Latin America stood at the center of interest because they were just kicking off Operation Condor, where several national branches emerged on the initiative of the German section, which is weird.

51:52 because that's where all the freaking Nazis went, under the leadership of a former Secret Service officer of German origin, none other than Charles A. Willoughby, to whom General MacArthur gave the title, My Pet Fascist. Who was Willoughby? Willoughby was the guy, remember,

52:19 We discovered a long time ago that was the in the army working under MacArthur, but he was a logistician. He did logistics. But MacArthur wanted a yes man to do intelligence. He didn't really want to know.

52:37 what was going on or what would be right or wrong or whatever in intelligence wise, he was going to do whatever he wanted to do. So he wanted a yes man as his chief intelligence. And so he moved Willoughby over to intelligence when he had zero experience in intelligence at all. So no one would be surprised to find Willoughby in the middle of this organization.

53:07 And he was definitely in the middle of the organization. Also, we end up with another, Theodor Oberlander, who was basically a Nazi as well. He ended up as part of this organization later on in Germany proper. So that takes us through those two chapters.

53:40 And the next one, I'm just going to, let's see, because it is the last one. The last one had to do with Bible smuggling and human rights in the Cold War. And it very much has all of the hallmarks of the Institute of Language.

54:06 that we came across that they used in Latin America. This is basically the same thing. They used the guise of a Christian organization to set up groups of people in Western Europe and use the immigrant population from Eastern Europe as quote unquote translators.

54:37 to translate bibles and into those languages and while doing that create relationships with those people to suck out intelligence from those people information that would help them militarily operationally to drop in these stay behind units and then they would

55:04 under the guise of delivering Bibles, sometimes overtly, more times covertly, they would use again the quote-unquote Christians to go into Eastern European countries under the Soviet Union as spies, basically. I did quite a bit of...

55:34 other research on this particular section that's not in this essay, but it was definitely very controversial. And it also was used as an intelligence operation, 100%. Also, at the very end, it was used as a way to derail detente. So there was initiative.

56:06 That was going on where there were leaders that were actually in the 70s, like with Richard Nixon, that they were actually going to try to come to some peace agreement and actually openly start dealing with the Soviet Union. Well, a couple of scandals put that to rest, that that was not going to happen. And one of them.

56:36 involved this organization that was doing this Bible smuggling, which then again makes you believe because they don't want to lose their boogeyman that the CIA was behind that as well. So that basically concludes this book. We'll go ahead and open it up. Go ahead, Ron. Wow, man, this was like crazy town. You know, I'm as somebody who's.

57:08 Growing up, grew up as Christian, you know, this this last this last probably eight years has been an extraordinarily eye opening experience for me. Looking at the CIA and how they were using using missionaries as essentially assets and how the church was really responsible for kind of gathering intelligence on the people.

57:37 You know, the confessions and all that stuff. I mean, this has just been, I mean, I'm sure it's not just limited to that. Not only that, but then how you have the, and I'm not trying to get too off onto the weeds here, but how you have the Schofield Reference Bible and how it's essentially converted a crap ton of.

57:59 you know, basically 80% of the evangelical Christians in the United States to be pro-Zionist and pro-Israel. And, you know, I mean, it's just like religion. I never realized how significant religion was used really until the last several years. And boy, the stuff that you're reading in this, this is just...

58:22 I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the ground to have something constructive to say, but I just wanted to say, wow, just wow, wow. So I also was very taken aback by the role and the infiltration of the religious organizations, all of them. You know, Zionism, whatever you want to say about it, infiltrated.

58:51 the legitimate Jewish religion. The Catholic Church infiltrated with the P2 Lodge and many other aspects, the money laundering, the rat lines, 100%. Whenever that happened, it happened.

59:15 Protestant religions, the Summer Institute of Language. As a matter of fact, I was at the speech that I gave last Thursday. A couple came up to me that obviously had worked extensively within the church, and I had made a comment about the Catholic Church.

59:43 came up with her husband and said something about the fact that they had done a lot of work in the church and blah, blah, blah. And I looked at her and I said, that isn't even the half of it. I said, you can cast dispersions on the Catholic church all you want, but the Protestant church was no better. And I explained to her how Nelson Rockefeller had basically funded the summer Institute of language and down in South America and her.

1:00:11 I mean, she knew people. She knew staff that was at the Wycliffe College. She knew people that had been on those mission trips, just like our Patriot Sarah. And so her mouth just dropped to the ground and was like, you've got to be kidding me. And I said, I'm not. It's all religions and they've all been infiltrated.

1:00:35 And you know what? I want to say this because there's a lot of people who genuinely are doing things within their religious structure that they are that are noble and good for humanity. And they don't understand the infiltration that has transpired. So.

1:00:56 I think it's important to say that, you know what, just because we're saying this and that the CIA has infiltrated and intelligence agencies have infiltrated the church, it doesn't mean that everything that's being done is being done with malicious intent. There are very good people who have good hearts who are trying to do the right thing. They're just completely unaware. Yep. SR-71, as were we until we started reading about it.

1:01:25 sr71 go ahead thank you colonel and thank everyone for attending and everyone on rumble as well uh what i what what really gets to me at this point in time is the way this started out this with uh uh the wcc and and the intent and and the un as well to me this was not an infiltration as much as it was

1:01:57 a rebranding and propaganda that moved people in a different direction. If you follow what I'm saying. No, I do. I agree with you that they weren't necessarily infiltrating the churches themselves. They were using the Christian religion as a cloak to do basically things that look exactly like CIA missions. Exactly.

1:02:28 In other words, in this case, what I'm seeing is, yeah, we have these organizations that mimic the church, in a sense, in name only. Well, and what's interesting about that distinction is, unfortunately, these people, and I didn't mention this, but in the other research that I did while I was reading this book, these people were guest speakers.

1:02:56 at churches all over the United States when they would go on a fundraising campaign. So they definitely tried to get their tentacles into the Christian Protestant church network through funding and propaganda about what they were doing. Because this entire initiative is...

1:03:21 to spread information, not just in foreign countries, in America, under the guise of a Christian church, that they wanted to demonize, not that it's good, but in a propaganda-wise, demonize communism so that they could keep killing people, whether they were communist or not, that they labeled as communist. So you can't...

1:03:50 kill people. You can't build up a rationale to assassinate people labeled communist if you don't demonize communism. And what better person to have demonized communism than someone representing the Christian church? So they know how to go right to the heart of the matter. So anyway. Ron's hand is up.

1:04:26 I don't want to dominate, but anyway, I'm looking here at the – you look at that critical theory and all of this kind of this woke ideology. And really a lot of that stuff that we despise as freedom-loving Americans, a lot of the stuff has been – has infiltrated and permeated within the church.

1:04:56 for the past 50, 60, 70 years, which is one of the reasons why it's so pervasive in our society, because people just accept it. Because, hey, if the people, if the preachers at the pulpit are preaching it, then it must be okay, because, you know, most people don't take the time to read their Bible. Shoot, most people don't take the time to read the newspaper or an article, much less read their Bibles. So it's, you know, when you have an uninformed public,

1:05:25 that has the attention span of, you know, five seconds, they're not going to take the time to actually do any investigation and cross-reference and hold their religious leaders accountable, much less their political leaders. So it's very easy to persuade people, you know, into certain things. But, you know, this idea of, you know, I mean, you know, and I'm not.

1:05:50 I'm not saying this because I'm trying to cause anybody to be offended or anything, but I mean, let's just take the example of homosexuality. Well, homosexuality, the Bible says homosexuality is not right. Okay, well, how in the world can you have churches that have...

1:06:07 that legitimately will have preachers that are homosexuals that are preaching to their congregations, and their congregations are accepting it when clearly it states in the scriptures that that's not right. And again, I'm not judging anybody about that. That's not my point, but I'm just saying that just goes to show you how far our society has migrated away from the core tenets of what...

1:06:35 the scriptures have said and how we just widely accept it. And I think, you know, religion is just one of those things that has been used to really craft our mindset to get us to where we are today. So, I mean, the uphill battle just keeps, it seems like it just keeps getting, you know, further and further on higher and higher of a climb. Well, obviously we're talking about the,

1:07:04 the use of all elements of power. So they are not going to leave any rock unturned as they were developing in the mid to late 1940s an approach to how they were going to orchestrate this entire one world government. And if you're going to establish one religion as part of the one world government,

1:07:33 You've got to infiltrate it. You've got to infiltrate every single one of them. SR 71, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. I agree. You have to infiltrate it. But from the perspective of religion and what I look at from the perspective of religion, every one of those religious sects can be suspect. And the reason why is because.

1:08:05 If you were to take the population of the world and find out who's religious and who's not, you'll find there are more people who are involved in religion than there are atheists. So you got to get to the crowd. And that's why religion is such a sweet spot, if you will, for these people. Thank you, Colonel. Sure. Schaller, go ahead.

1:08:39 And wouldn't you also want to say that from the beginning of, I mean, I know that we're focusing mainly on today and over the last 50 years, but religion, from my understanding and from my perception, has always been a base of control. And, you know, whether they were, you know, with knowledge that they put underneath so that they can control and then whether it was through, you know, like confessions or whatever, that's how they would get.

1:09:08 Well, at least for my opinion, you know, because I think that the different religions have too much power with the brainwashing. And, you know, you never want to do anything to defy, you know, God and things like that, if that makes any sense. And so people are kind of blinded and they feel that maybe the priests or the ones that are higher up in their religious sects or whatever, whether it's a rabbi or whomever.

1:09:34 you know, they must know more than I do. So I must follow with what they're saying, because their knowledge is more so because they've studied more than I have, because I'm the lay person, if whatever. And it just seems like that's still kind of being manipulated today with whatever the religions and Iman or, you know, a radical pastor, priest or Pope or whatever you want to call them. Sorry. No, you make a very good point. There is a reason why all of the

1:10:05 have a religious, whether it's Satanism or whatever, aspect to them. The Unification Church with the Moonies. There's a reason for that, and you just articulated it because of that hierarchy that is involved. So, no, you're dead on, Stellar. Thank you for adding that. Southern, go ahead. Southern?

1:10:38 Okay, Ron, go ahead. We'll come back to Southern. Yeah, and I just want to echo what Stella was saying. We go to churches, and then we listen to these preachers who we trust, and our families have trusted for years because we've gone to the same church or we go to a new church, and it's like these people are so nice, and we just trust them, and we don't have any reason to believe that they're deceiving us.

1:11:05 And quite frankly, a lot of the preachers that are coming out of the seminaries, they believe that they're teaching things that are true when they may not be. They may not be teaching things that are scriptural, but that's how it was taught to them. So they're passing down information that may not be 100% accurate as well.

1:11:26 And I think there's a significant difference between, you know, obviously religion and spirituality. And, you know, I've kind of categorically, just on a personal level, I've categorically rejected religion. So I have a relationship with my Lord and Savior, but I'm not necessarily religious. I don't belong to a specific sect or a denomination or whatnot. But that doesn't mean that I don't have a relationship with God.

1:11:56 A lot of people are migrating towards that direction. And I think that's a huge distinction that needs to be made. But, you know, getting back to what, you know, echoing what Stellar said, people are trusting what these people are saying without ever, just because they believe them to be more knowledgeable. Yeah, I agree. Oathkeeper, go ahead. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate your opportunity. I've done a lot of reading.

1:12:26 in respect to the Bolshevik Revolution and then years prior to that with the Kasabian Mafia. It's like, whoa. And it's like the playbook is still going on and on and on. And I even went back to Rome when they allowed the Roman Christian entity. And it's like, what the heck?

1:12:54 We look at today. Today, I believe, is an orchestration of what it took thousands of years to make. I am not a religious person. I'm a lot like Ron, I believe. I'm spiritual. I feel there's a higher source or whatnot. But I also know everybody who has literature, usually the literature is written by...

1:13:22 Let's say who won the war, if you will. And you're getting the view of the whoever has the money, whoever, you know. So thank you. Sure. Absolutely. Fitter, Steve, go ahead. Hi. Great job, Colonel. I just wanted to say that from an eschatological point of view, and I study a lot of eschatology, is a lot of what you read is is in prophecy and it's coming to fruition.

1:13:55 In the book of Revelation, in the first few chapters, it's revealed to John that there will only be two churches worthy out of the seven. And then you get into the one world government, which is going to have to happen with a one world church. I believe it's very important to keep your eye out on what's going to happen out of this conclave.

1:14:27 Because I believe we are in the spiritual last days, the very beginnings of it. And what they're going to do is the Catholic Church is going to try to combine all the religions and say that they're all the same. They all basically believe in the same God and the same mantra and yada, yada, yada. And it's absolutely a false religion. It'll be a false Antichrist religion.

1:14:55 And I just want to leave it at that. Thank you. Oh, yeah. One other thing is everybody's held accountable. You have the word now. If you don't read it, you don't study it, you will be held accountable because it's there. You just have to do the work. Anyway, thank you. Sure. Stellar, go ahead.

1:15:16 Well, I mean, even when you talk about the Bible, I mean, the Bible that most Christians have is a canonized version. So, you know, that means it's been picked and chosen and which ones were okay is dictated as far as I can tell from, you know.

1:15:33 the Roman Church. I mean, the canonized versions, that's what they talk about. But going even like into today's realm and in the United States, you know, when you have the 503Cs, which is a government, you know, like so that they don't have to pay taxes, but then it seems like there's also control on that part because, you know, if the pastor or the congregation doesn't want to follow through with what the government is saying.

1:15:56 They'll just hold back, you know, and say, OK, now you've got to pay taxes and stuff. So it just seems like there's always a never ending power battle, if that makes any sense. Yes. No, it makes perfect sense. Wicksell, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. I'm going to mention some founders and institutions that are involved in New Age Japanese religions. And I'm curious if any of these have come up in your research. There is a guy named Mokichi Okada who founded.

1:16:27 a branch of religions called Jore, which is God Power. And it's founded the Church of World Messianity. And there's also an organization called the Shumei International, which I believe has ties to the United Nations. And most of these New Age religions seem to have some ties to Rockefellers or Jesuits and were made in the last century. Have any of those things come across your mind?

1:16:59 No, I have not recognized any of those. Southern, go ahead. Just to kind of, from a perspective of the CIA, the Catholic Church was a wonderful infrastructure for them, with the priests holding the word and control, or supposedly. Then add in how CIA agents are trained, the word mice. Money, ideology, blackmail, or ego would have worked for all of them.

1:17:31 We've seen the weakness in the Catholic Church with priests. Money, even if it was just money for the poor. But ideology, ego, yeah, a few cardinals would probably have been right there. But what's interesting, too, is from Dulles all the way through John Brennan, they're all Catholic.

1:18:00 I'll say their faith integrated with the CIA. Same thing across. And Stella brought up a good point about the 503Cs because I've always seen that as a double-edged sword, the way that thing has been set up from the tax opportunity. And we saw how quickly, how involved they have been, Catholic, Lutheran, et cetera, et cetera.

1:18:28 And looking at just the current problem we have now with the illegal immigrants, they got paid a ton of money. Data Republicans have been breaking down that. And I've been breaking down because at the end of the day, I'm a headhunter. And I've been diving deep for months. And what I'm finding is astonishing. The money that has been spent in other countries.

1:18:54 And then learning from you, Colonel, with Operation Gladius, so I can look at it better, read through it. But they're just repeating the same thing over and over and over. But our churches have been completely infiltrated. And it has been defined, what access do we get? What content do we actually get? Which Stella brought up, what Bible are we reading?

1:19:23 So this is a time to really question things, really question everything. And I think that's something that our country has been trying to beat out of us, critical thinking skill sets. So we're seeing this in the schools. So now we need to read between the lines and we need to learn how to look at information to trust it.

1:19:48 But at first, because I grew up with a lot of missionaries around me, I grew up in a Southern Baptist, very Southern home, and I had issues. I was baptized around age 12, but around age 14, I made a quiet decision because I'm a huge reader.

1:20:11 That I didn't trust the framework of churches because they were built by flawed men. We're all flawed. And my relationship with God is direct because I saw the cracks. I saw the non-Christian-like behavior. And, you know, the word I had was hypocrite. But I had to realize as we get older, life is interesting in how you make decisions.

1:20:39 But I have never trusted a hierarchical church, ever, ever. And I was the team director for the Billy Graham Crusades in the South. But he really came, in a sense, from non-denominational. So that, I assume, really helped me manage and feel comfortable praying and reading the Bible and making decisions from that because I could no longer trust.

1:21:09 people who were telling us how to be. I don't trust them, and I never have as I got older, even more so today in Atlanta. Okay, so a couple of points. William Colby is famous for saying that there is no intelligence agency on earth that could ever replicate the Catholic Church's intelligence agency. And as far as the

1:21:38 members of the CIA that are represented within the Catholic Church. One of the things that Paul Williams, who by the way is a Catholic himself, pointed out very articulately is that the Knights of Malta was used basically as a secret society club that the

1:22:06 people within Operation Gladio was brought into with no standards of whether or not you were in the Catholic Church at all, even though it's a Catholic order. Because Gelli, the guy G-E-L-L-I, that was running the P2 Masonic Lodge, which was orchestrating a lot of Operation Gladio in Italy, was an atheist.

1:22:36 Literally was an atheist, but he was brought into the Knights of Malta and knighted as a result of his contributions to Operation Gladio. So very interesting history as it relates to that. But anyway, Southern, go ahead. Just one thing to add on the other side, the increase. Look at the access they have had to wealth.

1:23:07 and have wealth. They have more information than anybody in the world. It's insane what they have. It is insane. But also the financials. Think of all the people that have impacted around that over decades and decades and decades. I would say you're right, Colonel. Well, and the fact that they were the first place of choice for the CIA to money launder.

1:23:36 I mean, they made hundreds of billions of dollars in money laundering for the drug, the illicit drug trade. Yeah, their access to money is probably second to none. And not only that, if you look at the history of not just the Catholic Church, but since we're talking about the Catholic Church, because this is true.

1:24:01 On the Quakers and all of the people that Warhamster and I talk about from the Northeast, every single one of them had a priest or a minister or whatever you want to call the role, head of a church, in their families. As a matter of fact, in some areas, it was like the, I don't know, I'm making this up. It was like the third son had to do that.

1:24:28 Something to that effect. So the moneyed families control religion by putting their children in as part of the control mechanism. That was true throughout. If you go back and look at some of the roles of the archbishop.

1:24:52 and some of the ones that we came across in Operation Gladio, when we do a deep dive on them, that literally like Calbee that was running the bank that ended up getting hung, you will find they come from very wealthy families, and they're just doing their role. Like one guy's going to be a banker, one guy's going to own the steel mill, and this guy's going to be in the church so that we can tap into that. It's a resource for them.

1:25:18 It has nothing to do with religion. It's a resource for them to use. Go ahead, Southern. Well, just to add to that, ironically, the timing that the Catholic, or rather the Vatican, got involved actually began in 1942. What was significant about that time, and this is also from Williams, it was the establishment of the Vatican Bank.

1:25:43 And that's where they got involved. And you were right about the mafia money and all of this. They were laundering money, basically. But the thing that I'll never understand is how the Catholic Church worked with the CIA to facilitate to help Nazi war criminals escape. I just don't understand that one. We're all on the same team. Yeah. Renee, go ahead. Hey, guys.

1:26:13 Yeah, speaking of the Knights of Malta, recently I was curious and trying to do a dig of how the island of Formosa actually got its name and because it was, I guess, settled via the Jesuits and the Navigators back in the 14-1500s. Yep.

1:26:37 I haven't completely, but I'm on the trail, and I will share when I find it. But there was a house of Formoso, and this family was in Italy, Malta, Portugal, etc. But it was all connected to Catholicism, the Jesuits, etc. Plus, we all...

1:27:06 can't forget of the horrific crusades that plowed through South America, Central America, even the Jesuits came into the United States, annihilated Native American Indian tribes in Florida, the Appalachians, etc. So there seems to be a pattern here that these operators have taken. It may be with the infiltration of religion more on a psychological bend.

1:27:35 But it seems to be a pattern. And maybe they went back in the playbook of, you know, the Spanish conquistadors in that time and period. Yes. Very interesting. But I just found it totally interesting in this particular book how everything that they were doing under the guise of Christianity.

1:28:04 overlaid Operation Gladio perfectly to include some of the overlap in membership of the World Anti-Communist League and that type of thing. It just goes to show, again, you could have picked this book up, not that anybody would have, but I'm a glutton for punishment when it comes to quote-unquote anti-communism and anything that I see written about that and the Cold War, I know it's going to have something to do with Gladio. So I want all of the pieces.

1:28:33 When I began reading through the last section on religion, without having the foundation of what we know about Operation Gladio, you would have read all of that and it would have went, OK. So they were in all of these places. But because we know all of those places were the hotbeds of the Operation Gladio terrorist training camps and etc.

1:29:00 It changes the entire dynamic of reading books now. Speaking of which, I'm going to give a shout out to Mager Sarge. I saw him over on Rumble. I don't know if he's here. He sent me a book called Traders Beware. It's a very short book and it's a history of Robert Depew's Minutemen.

1:29:30 This was an organization that was set up in Missouri. And again, it's a very interesting, I would call it more of a pamphlet. It's a small book that Eric Beckheimer, Beckmeyer, however you say his name, he's a lawyer now. He wrote this when he finished his bachelor's degree in Missouri. And this was basically like his exit paper.

1:30:00 And that he turned into a book and he self-published it. So imagine my surprise, because, of course, I'm like, huh, Minutemen. All right. I'm sure he sent it to me for a reason. He sent me a fantastic little note and he sent me a I'll show it on over on Rumble, a sticker that's basically the Gladio. So.

1:30:29 Imagine my surprise when I get to the part that says, ironically, a member of the Minutemen named Guy Bannister would later be suspected of conspiracy theorist in connection with President Kennedy's assassination.

1:30:46 Lee Harvey Oswald put the address, blah, blah, blah. That was the flyer that he used that he was supporting Castro. And that just happened to be the same office that Guy Bannister was in. But, you know, I'm sure it was nothing. Which, of course, we know it was something because Oswald not only was in the building on the second floor.

1:31:11 and had his flyers that he was handing out plastered all over the wall, thanks to Guy Bannister's secretary's testimony. But we also know that Guy Bannister was best friends with Ferrari, and Ferrari was in the Civil Air Patrol squadron with Oswald. And Ferrari is the guy that flew the OAS agent out of Dallas the night after the assassination.

1:31:41 I was shocked that this guy was in this organization called Minutemen. Well, you would be even more shocked if you read the description of this organization. Because this organization was described as basically a militia that was set up state by state.

1:32:11 with a state controller, for lack of a better word, and units under them that had anywhere from five to 15 people that no one was allowed to know the identity of and that they were embedded into all of the local communities. And I'm right here going, son of a bitch, this is Gladio. I'm reading a book about Gladio.

1:32:40 Are you kidding me? Because I find it very interesting, again, because these people don't know anything about what Gladio is. It also says that Depew, the guy that set this whole thing up, was a member of the John Birch Society, Ron.

1:33:06 There's a whole bunch of other tidbits in here. I'm going to go back over the book because I do want to run through on a dedicated session that just picks out the highlights of this because it is a very interesting description of

1:33:28 What Gladio would look like inside the United States. I just, again, I find it absolutely fascinating because he goes and he starts talking about, you know, there's, you know, this guy's a civilian. He doesn't know anything about Gladio and he does a very good job of describing how they set it up.

1:33:53 I would have asked completely different questions because I know Gladio, but he got a lot of his information from sitting down because this guy's from his hometown. The Depew guy, he grew up in that town and was always fascinated by all of the different accusations about him. And so it says, you know, that Depew.

1:34:19 provided the role of the national coordinator. So God bless you, Maker Sarge, for sending this to me. I really, really appreciate it. It just blew my mind. Ron, go ahead. I wanted to touch upon, you just said a couple things that were just basically dovetailing what I was going to say. I think it was Southern was talking about the

1:34:46 the, you know, the 501c3s and losing your 501c3 status as a, what that was, if I remember correctly, it was the Johnson Amendment, because Johnson, LBJ, almost lost his senatorial re-election campaign, I want to say 1954 or 56, and what he did was he enacted the Johnson Amendment. They're saying that if you advocated or said, you know,

1:35:17 endorsed a political candidate from the pulpit, you would lose your 501c3 status. And shortly after that, that's when, and this is why I think that this has everything to do with Gladio in the United States, because what it did was by neutering the church.

1:35:36 Shortly after that, that's when you started to have the women's liberation movement. That's when you started to have the abortion stuff. That's when you started to have prayer taken out of schools, all that stuff, because now preachers were afraid to talk about some of those things that were morally.

1:35:55 There were morality things that needed to be discussed. And if the preachers were talking about it, the people weren't really paying that close attention to it. So I think that's a very, very big deal. I forgot what else I was going to say, but I did want to ask you, because you were talking about that book yesterday about Casey. Is that the book by Persico? No, it's Den of Spies by Craig Unger.

1:36:24 Den of Spies. Okay. All right. Thank you. That's probably going to be our, we'll do Twilight of the Shadow Government, which is Kevin's ship. And then we'll probably do Den of Spies because it is a very interesting book. All right. Stella, go ahead. And then we're going to close out.

1:36:45 Okay. It wasn't about the religion or what we talked about today, but it just seems like Afghanistan and Pakistan seems, you know, that Operation Gladio over there on that side seems to be perking up more so. So it looks like it's getting kind of chaotic. Thank you for teaching us about Operation Gladio and going over the history of Pakistan. It's very interesting what's going on.

1:37:14 Just to close this out, I want to give you, I said a few things about this in post, but I do want to share this with you. It is clear to me that because India is working with President Trump, India has been attacked from all sides. So they overthrew Bangladesh, a lot of Muslim population there, and destabilized.

1:37:43 an entire border area of India. We already know about the border area with Pakistan. We understand the whole post-World War II fake border, fake countries being Pakistan, and we understand why they did it and all that other stuff. However, that border has always been a contentious area, and it was done on purpose as part of the strategy of tension.

1:38:13 Because they have to be able to have turmoil and potential war to scare the hell out of us every single day. So we know all of that stuff. What a lot of people don't know is that Pakistan has been working with China and have created a corridor through Pakistan down to the water in order to give China.

1:38:42 a new avenue of commerce. Now, as soon as the Taliban, who is in charge of Afghanistan, began having adult conversations to move their country forward with Pakistan and China in joining that corridor, all of a sudden, and I pointed this out to all of you,

1:39:11 There's this unbelievable propaganda campaign that like every fifth post on my feed is something derogatory about the Taliban, comparing them to Al Qaeda, comparing them to ISIS. We all know the Taliban is not anything to do with Al Qaeda or ISIS. Those two organizations were created and funded by the CIA.

1:39:38 And the Taliban was not. We all know that the Taliban had gotten rid of the opium in 2000. Thanks to 9-11, Afghanistan was immediately put back into play as one of the largest opium dealers in the entire world. We understand all of that. So what is going on is there is a faction in Pakistan that wants to move Pakistan outside of the control of the CIA.

1:40:08 They're still having to deal with their ISI like we're still having to deal with our CIA. And the ISI has terrorist units, their Gladio cells, in Pakistan, which is what happened in Kashmir with that terrorist event. So there is a lot of countries that are trying to move out of the old way of doing business.

1:40:35 Afghanistan is one of them. Pakistan is another one. India is another one. And they will do whatever they can to destabilize them in propaganda or terrorist acts as we move through this. And I just wanted to put that in perspective that that's what's going on. SR 71. Oh, go ahead, Stellar. I have one more question. And SR might know this one, too, because you guys follow all this stuff.

1:41:04 Like in the last six months or so, there was that huge big gold reserve that was found. And you guys talked about different things. You probably did talk about this a few months ago because you said the CIA, you know, they know where all the resources are, especially underground.

1:41:20 And I guess it's in that area between India and Pakistan. I guess it might have been from up in the India side on that one river, and then it might have come down. Who knows? But do you think that that might also be because you've mentioned in the past that this has come up since World War II, and they have a tendency to do that. And since they map and knew where resources were at some time, do you think that maybe that might be also in correlation with what's going on?

1:41:49 the destabilization in that area? It is always about resources. It's always about resources. It's always about resources. But in particular, India right now, because India is an alternative to many of the things that we now rely on China for. And India, Modi, has been getting very close to Trump. And he's going to pay a price for that.

1:42:20 So we just have to understand that. And that's that's what we're seeing right now. SR 71 go and then I got to run. Thank you, Colonel. I was looking in the news today. I didn't quite get a chance to follow up on everything that's going on between Pakistan and India at this point. However, my understanding is at this point from from some of the headlines, I haven't really gotten deep into.

1:42:47 is Modi has now given his armed forces full freedom to decide mode timing target of India's response to the Pahalgam terror attack. So I expect to see something happening here in the near future. Yeah, I agree. All right, guys, thank you for being here. We are going to start Kevin Shipp's book tomorrow, and I'm really looking forward to that.

1:43:17 See you at 4 o'clock. Thank you, Colonel. Y'all have a great day. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Take care, everybody.

Entities here

Operation Gladio19 National Council of Churches15 Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture14 Carl McIntyre12 Pakistan12 Catholic Church11 American Council of Christian Churches8 Formosa8 France8 World Anti-Communist League8 Paul Lesourd7 Soviet Union7 West Germany7 India7 Committee for the Defense of Christian Civilization5 Charles Willoughby5 Belgium5 Paul-Henri Spaak5 Society of Jesus4 Minutemen4 South Africa4 Robert Depew4 Afghanistan4 Switzerland4 Summer Institute of Linguistics4 United States3 South Korea3 Lee Harvey Oswald3 Den of Spies3 China3 Douglas MacArthur3 Knights of Malta3 Unification Church3 Greece3 Guy Banister3 Anton Pinay3 Le Cercle2 Spain2 Donald Trump2 Taliban2

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National Council of Churches maintained_offices_in Collingswood, New Jersey documented ▶ 2:32

“It claimed a membership of 55 million people. It maintained offices in Amsterdam and in Collingswood, New Jersey. On a semi-annual basis, it held international and national conferences. It published a…”

National Council of Churches maintained_offices_in Amsterdam documented ▶ 2:32

Carl McIntyre headed National Council of Churches documented ▶ 3:27

“Its lifelong president, the controversial American pasture publisher and broadcaster Carl McIntyre, who was born in 1906 and lived until 2002, was the recognized leader of fundamentalist anti-communis…”

Carl McIntyre founded American Council of Christian Churches documented ▶ 3:54

“He created the organization as a worldwide extension of his earlier American Council of Christian Churches, which was ACCC. It, too, was a transnational faith-based anti-communist organization. The ke…”

National Council of Churches held_conference_in Switzerland documented ▶ 8:19

“On these doctrinal bases, the ICCC, transnational anti-communism, there was a full agreement of all the different national and regional bodies and communities. This was evident in 1950 when the second…”

American Council of Christian Churches member_of National Council of Churches documented ▶ 9:45

“was issued a year later by the ICCC's Far Eastern Council of Christian Churches, and this organization housed Reverend Moon's Unification Church, just FYI. So, and keep in mind that he was part of the…”

Unification Church member_of American Council of Christian Churches documented ▶ 9:45

Carl McIntyre appointed Francis Schaeffer documented ▶ 17:04

“So it looked in the Middle East. It looks very much like what we've talked about before with Turkey being in the Middle East. So McIntyre had also sent to Europe at, wait a minute, had sent to Europe …”

Otto von Habsburg headed Committee for the Defense of Christian Civilization documented ▶ 18:28

“anti-communist organization under Prince Otto von Habsburg, Committee for the Defense of Christian Civilization. Despite deep theology disagreements, the ICC would work even with anti-communist clergy…”

Carl McIntyre member_of Independent Board of Presbyterian Foreign Missions documented ▶ 18:58

“Originally, this ode to missionaries sent to the area by the Independent Board of Presbyterian Foreign Missions, a body that McIntyre controlled and was a part of the ICCC. And isn't that interesting …”

Arie Kok headed National Council of Churches documented ▶ 19:28

“Also key was the pre-existing contacts of the first ICCC General Secretary, the former Dutch diplomat Arie Kok. Due to his service for over 30 years in the pre-revolutionary China, he knew many of the…”

Arie Kok worked_with Chiang Kai-shek documented ▶ 19:28

Carl McIntyre traveled_with Arie Kok documented ▶ 19:28

Syngman Rhee friend_of National Council of Churches documented ▶ 20:28

“It lines up perfectly with the World Anti-Communist League and the Unification Church and the drug lord, Chiang Kai-shek. The South Korean president in 1950s was Syngman Rhee, was a longstanding perso…”

American Council of Christian Churches received_funding_from China Lobby documented ▶ 22:20

“of them being the drug lords of basically 90% of the world heroin. The ACCC president, W.O.H. Garmin, were members of the Republican Party, and they could rely on the China lobby politicians and other…”

W.O.H. Garmin headed American Council of Christian Churches documented ▶ 22:20

Carl McIntyre supported Rhodesia documented ▶ 23:21

“and his criticism of MLK. The implication of racism was compounded by McIntyre's vocal support for the white Rhodesian and South African government. Yeah, that'll do it. So basically, this has everyth…”

Carl McIntyre supported South Africa documented ▶ 23:21

Carl McIntyre removed_from_power American Council of Christian Churches documented ▶ 25:52

“represented his arrogance and how he was basically ruling himself as a dictator. From 1968 to 70, there were similar charges made elsewhere, and they led to McIntyre being ousted from the ACC and to t…”

American Council of Christian Churches departed_from National Council of Churches documented ▶ 25:52

Carl McIntyre testified_before House Armed Services Committee documented ▶ 27:19

“They pressurized successive U.S. administrations to the sin. McIntyre himself testified before the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee in 1948, stressing that there are interests which God wants man …”

National Council of Churches carried_out_attack Soviet Union documented ▶ 31:13

“They also got involved in some proactive initiatives, one of which was called the Bible Balloon Project of 1953, where they used balloons to send Bibles into the Soviet Union and basically was engaged…”

Committee for the Defense of Christian Civilization held_conference_in Lisbon documented ▶ 32:40

“Portuguese words. I'm just going to tell you what the translation is. Committee International Defense of Civilization for Christians and the initials are CIDCC. The meeting was held in Lisbon at the e…”

Paul Lesourd member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 36:39

“de Paris. Lessard came to the attention of the interwar period for proto-fascist betrayal of the Lateran Accords and for the publication of the History of Catholic Missions. He regularly wrote article…”

Paul Lesourd member_of Vichy France book_quoted ▶ 37:09

“After the German occupation in 1940, Lessard appeared as the publisher and lead article writer of a collaborative weekly which closely connected the Action Catholic, which is the name of an organizati…”

Paul Lesourd founded Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 38:31

“which, according to its own account, had come about as a protest against the abduction of Greek children by communist rebels. The CIDCC, which, in contrast to the Sinner Catholic, again, that's a publ…”

Paul-Henri Spaak headed Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 39:29

“or sink into a communist materialism. The CIDCC was intended, in the face of a well-organized communist and anti-Christian international, to become the nucleus of the Christian international community…”

Paul de Lannoy funded Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 40:30

“Paul de Lanoit, by far the most significant financier of this movement, conservatism in general, and anti-communists specifically in Belgium during the 40s, 50s, and 60s. As a renowned European politi…”

Manuel Aguirre de Carcer member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 41:01

“as president of the committee. For his fight against atheist communism, Lesoyd won several supporters among representatives of the Franco regime in Spain. Again, this is fascist, not Christian in any …”

Fernando Martín-Sánchez Juliá member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 41:35

“declared himself ready to collaborate on their efforts. Also, there was an organization that basically did propaganda that was led by Fernando Martin Sanchez Julia. Contacts also existed with another …”

BND carried_out_attack Hungary book_quoted ▶ 42:03

“which was affiliated with the Spanish Foreign Ministry and had excellent financial and publishing resources at its command. So they're going to begin working with Albania, Hungary and Poland, as well …”

BND carried_out_attack Slovakia book_quoted ▶ 42:03

BND carried_out_attack Albania book_quoted ▶ 42:03

BND carried_out_attack Poland book_quoted ▶ 42:03

Aginter Press member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 42:31

“in the late 1940s and early 50s that kept getting killed. They would go on to establish entities in Portugal, which is where a gentry press was, the Netherlands, Switzerland, the U.S., Canada, Brazil,…”

Jean Le Cher member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 44:33

“One of the members, let's see, a good friend of the newspaper magnate Jean Le Cher, who was sentenced to death in 1946 for collaboration and high treason, was transferred to Greece in 1943. So they're…”

Rudolf Junges member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 45:34

“basically all of the Christian segments. They had an influential supporter in the foreign office named Rudolf Hunes, J-U-N-G-E-S, who had meanwhile switched across to the diplomatic service, outsourci…”

Anton Pinay funded Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 47:25

“from the former French prime minister, Antoine Panay, the guy that created Le Cercle, who was absolutely part of the intelligence community. And he clearly saw a useful political instrument in the CID…”

Anton Pinay member_of Le Cercle book_quoted ▶ 47:25

Yves Guérin-Sérac member_of SDECE book_quoted ▶ 47:54

“and ensured it was properly funded. So the man pulling the strings behind the development was Panay's long-standing companion, Jean Vallée, spelt Violet, who we talked about several chapters ago. He p…”

SDECE founded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 48:26

“which is their version of the CIA. So again, nothing to see here. The entire Christian international anti-communist thing is lined up to basically be an SDECE was the organization that gave birth to O…”

Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture member_of North Atlantic Treaty Organization book_quoted ▶ 49:22

“After 1957, the Committee International actively brought these ideas into the international debate over psychological operations and thereby put itself forward as a partner to NATO. Again, not even ma…”

Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture member_of World Anti-Communist League book_quoted ▶ 50:55

“having to join it formally. And basically they functioned as a counterpart. He goes on to say this, that they functioned as a Christian counterpart to the World Anti-Communist League. And this is craz…”

Douglas MacArthur appointed Charles Willoughby book_quoted ▶ 51:52

“because that's where all the freaking Nazis went, under the leadership of a former Secret Service officer of German origin, none other than Charles A. Willoughby, to whom General MacArthur gave the ti…”

Charles Willoughby member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 51:52

Theodor Oberländer member_of Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture book_quoted ▶ 53:07

“And he was definitely in the middle of the organization. Also, we end up with another, Theodor Oberlander, who was basically a Nazi as well. He ended up as part of this organization later on in German…”

Nelson Rockefeller funded Summer Institute of Linguistics guest_asserted ▶ 59:43

“came up with her husband and said something about the fact that they had done a lot of work in the church and blah, blah, blah. And I looked at her and I said, that isn't even the half of it. I said, …”

Mokichi Okada founded Church of World Messianity caller_asserted ▶ 1:15:56

“They'll just hold back, you know, and say, OK, now you've got to pay taxes and stuff. So it just seems like there's always a never ending power battle, if that makes any sense. Yes. No, it makes perfe…”

Licio Gelli headed P2 Masonic Lodge host_asserted ▶ 1:22:06

“people within Operation Gladio was brought into with no standards of whether or not you were in the Catholic Church at all, even though it's a Catholic order. Because Gelli, the guy G-E-L-L-I, that wa…”

Knights of Malta front_for Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 1:22:06

Licio Gelli member_of Knights of Malta host_asserted ▶ 1:22:36

“Literally was an atheist, but he was brought into the Knights of Malta and knighted as a result of his contributions to Operation Gladio. So very interesting history as it relates to that. But anyway,…”

Catholic Church funded Institute for Bankers of Italy book_quoted ▶ 1:25:18

“It has nothing to do with religion. It's a resource for them to use. Go ahead, Southern. Well, just to add to that, ironically, the timing that the Catholic, or rather the Vatican, got involved actual…”

Guy Banister member_of Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 1:30:29

“Imagine my surprise when I get to the part that says, ironically, a member of the Minutemen named Guy Bannister would later be suspected of conspiracy theorist in connection with President Kennedy's a…”

Guy Banister member_of Air America book_quoted ▶ 1:31:11

“and had his flyers that he was handing out plastered all over the wall, thanks to Guy Bannister's secretary's testimony. But we also know that Guy Bannister was best friends with Ferrari, and Ferrari …”

David Ferrie member_of Air America book_quoted ▶ 1:31:11

Robert Depew member_of John Birch Society book_quoted ▶ 1:32:40

“Are you kidding me? Because I find it very interesting, again, because these people don't know anything about what Gladio is. It also says that Depew, the guy that set this whole thing up, was a membe…”

Robert Depew founded Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 1:32:40

Lyndon B. Johnson founded Johnson Amendment host_asserted ▶ 1:34:46

“the, you know, the 501c3s and losing your 501c3 status as a, what that was, if I remember correctly, it was the Johnson Amendment, because Johnson, LBJ, almost lost his senatorial re-election campaign…”