The Colonel’s Corner Transnational Anticommunism& Cold War part 8

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0:00 Hello, hello, hello. Good afternoon, Colonel. So, big shout out to Bridget. My shelf got here. I haven't opened the box yet. I didn't have time. Hand off my grandson to my daughter and run out to my she shed to start the show. So, that's what awaits me after the show is I get to unbox my new shelf and dry fit it.

0:31 into place. I'm so excited. Yay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Bridget. My pleasure. Okay. So if you guys wouldn't mind sharing out the space, I'm going to go live over here on Rumble and we are going to get started. We are on chapter eight of

1:05 the book and um that's about halfway through the uh books some of these chapters are not as long as others um so some of this is going to go a little faster um it looks like yeah we're about halfway through um so let's dig in this

1:35 is called Interdoc, Western Anti-Communism and Transnational Perspective. It starts off, and again, just as a reminder, these are individual essays that all kind of go along with the theme, transnational anti-communism in the Cold War. And so we're getting different perspectives from different people, but they're all cohesively put together.

2:03 So this one starts off in February of 1963, where the solicitor's office in The Hague, the Netherlands, the statutes for the International Documentation and Information Center was known as InterDoc. I don't mean to interrupt. Oh, I was just making, never mind. It just came up. The rumble was just a little slow. Never mind.

2:33 and Information Center, InterDoc, was signed. Statutes to establish it. This mundane act was the official starting point for a remarkable experiment in transnational cooperation in anti-communism. InterDoc was the product of in-depth deliberations running from 1956 through 1957 onward.

3:04 between members of the European Security and Intelligence Services, industrialists, and intellectuals concerning ongoing threat of communism. In other words, this is where they plotted Operation Gladio. While the core of this informal community was made up of French, Germans, and Dutch, representatives from Britain and Italy and Americans,

3:35 were all there. The communist threat was changing, they said, and Western anti-communists needed to change along with it. Interdoc was going to be the response. Interdoc epitomizes transnational cooperation because it always functioned as a separate entity from any official body. Security and intelligence services were all part of it, though.

4:04 It functioned as a state within a state, yet they were behind the scenes pulling all the strings. Interdoc was a public organization using its own name as an imprint on all of its publications. It functioned as a meeting point, a transit center for information and personnel between overt and covert wars, worlds, sorry.

4:32 representing a mixture of different interest groups, all with the belief that anti-communist agitation needed to be improved if the West was not going to lose the battle. Activities over two decades confirmed the conclusion that the transnational right-wing representatives created a flexible, diverse phenomenon.

5:04 that is neither tied down by nationalist identities nor fixed in its political alliances. Meaning, just like we have described throughout Operation Gladio, it's a chameleon. It doesn't matter whether you're quote-unquote right or quote-unquote left politically or whatever, whether you're a nationalist or whatever, because no one was truly a nationalist. They all just played the game.

5:33 And if you didn't, you got taken out. Efforts to coordinate anti-communist strategy between Western nations began already in the 1940s. Three stages were evident in its creation. The first concerned itself with self-mobilization of professionals and intellectuals determined to meet the challenge that they alleged communist

6:04 threat to the West. So they're mobilizing the forces. Second, and by the way, that included youth movements, trade unions, and social cultural issues. Everything we've come to know that they use to create chaos and overthrow governments. Second, involved the institutionalization of private

6:33 through the creation of public bodies devoted to uniting and representing anti-communist professional communities. In other words, they were professionalizing the codifying, if you will, this anti-communist doctrine in order to use it to achieve whatever means they wanted to.

7:02 They were taking what appeared to be private entities, just like everything that we've seen created from the 1940s through today as quote-unquote non-governmental organizations, when in fact they were all governmental organizations. And again, this is the plan. They're talking, this was documented in the 1940s, people. Okay.

7:36 These were often supported by covert means to perpetuate their image as private spontaneous initiatives driven purely by concerns of active and concerned citizens. They ranged from the initially MI6 supported World Assembly of Youth in 1946 to the high profile establishment of the Congress for Cultural Freedom.

8:07 In the 50s, backed by the U.S. government covert wing at the time of the Office of Policy Coordination, all CIA front. The third stage, in the stage that occupies several of the contributors of this volume, concerned itself with the creation of new forms of anti-communist alliance, with changing realities in international politics.

8:36 from the late 1940s throughout the 1950s. It refers to changes in the West, such as economic recovery of the Western European countries and the quote-unquote de-Stalinization initiated by Khrushchev after 1953 and the adoption of peaceful coexistence as a strategy of normalizing East-West relations.

9:07 But of course, we know that was never allowed to get off the ground because they had to have a boogeyman. There was never going to be any peaceful coexistence. Okay, what motivated the circle of professionals who went on to form Interdoc was the concern, if not the fear, that such a normalization would lead to a decline in the sense of danger that communism continued to pose.

9:38 And again, I don't believe that they actually believed that. That was an excuse to create a boogeyman. This bred a determination to prevent any quote-unquote peaceful coexistence approach with Moscow, period. It had to be turned around and used exactly to expose the rotten contradictions at the heart of what the communist worldview was. Interdoc's mission, therefore,

10:09 was to ensure that peaceful coexistence did not happen. As an essential part of Interdoc Project was also to upgrade Western anti-communism from the methods and motifs of simplicity anti-Stalinism. In particular, the activities of John Paul David's Peace and Liberty

10:33 came in for criticism with its often emotional slogans, pamphlets, and posters. InterDoc Upgrade covered two primary principles. First, it involved method. The aim was to switch away from emotional scaremongering or negative anti-communism in favor of a more measured, verifiable, and factual-based analysis of communist society.

11:07 The promotion of a positive value system was an alternative. Communism had arisen and gained popularity precisely because it addressed issues of inequality and injustice that were either accepted or ignored by the mainstream. This needed to be acknowledged and then corrected. That's why you see

11:32 the move over the social welfare of the sixties, they were addressing quote unquote inequalities and injustices with the crime bill and all of this other stuff. When in fact they weren't doing anything of this sort, it was all window dressings. And they're explaining to you that there was an organization behind the whole thing, which.

12:01 basically set about doing all of this stuff as window dressing while at the same time they were brainwashing all of us to believe that they actually did care. Because I'm sure I've told you that story several times, that that's exactly what my brother-in-law told me when I retired in 2008. And I asked him what the hell he was doing as a small business owner and a registered Democrat at the same time.

12:30 His response to me was, well, they're concerned about poor people. And so the brainwashing was very effective. There is a close correspondence between the steps taken to develop Interdoc and the moves that led to the creation of the Committee International Defense for Civilization in 1957. It went by the acronym CIDCC.

13:02 Yet there are two crucial differences that separate the two networks. One concerned the value system that they promoted. While the CIDCC was unabashedly Christian slash Catholic in orientation, Interdoc was seeking a broader approach that united all, regardless of religion, agnostic, or atheist, who believed in Western values and epitomized the

13:31 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The other concerns, the fact that Interdoc, as stated above, was brought into existence by a legal contract following lengthy deliberations involving representatives from the Netherlands, France, and West Germans, security and international services. Now, keep in mind, back then, that was Reinhard Galen, the Nazi.

13:59 in at least one of those positions. The CIDCC and other similar ventures were often the outcome of private deliberations sufficiently distanced from the state authorities to avoid any quote-unquote accusations of formal arrangements, and yet they interfaced with them all the time. Also, there was

14:28 a necessary need for transnational coordination. In this sense, the initial moves of freedom and liberty with its decentralized network of national committees sharing ideas and information and campaign materials laid the path for what was to come. The freedom and liberty in 1956 morphed into

14:53 an organization called CIAS, which stood for Committee International for Action on Social Issues. While Interdoc sought to distance itself from Jean-Paul David's legacy, it would make full use of CIAS's connection that had been built up across Europe. Freedom and Liberty had been able to establish relationships with neutral nations.

15:25 such as Switzerland, and created anti-communist liaisons with NATO and all NATO countries, as well as NATO-aligned countries. The similar attitudes would later be adopted towards the transnational networks, such as the World Anti-Communist League and the activities of Jean Violet.

15:53 And remember, John Violet is La Circle, and that is another basically semi-secret society that is fascist and was operating behind the scenes in Europe with a lot of Americans on it to implement one world government. He was also the instigator of CIDCC.

16:24 It's harder to tell who was really using who. All that really mattered at the end of the day for the purposes of this book is the fact that they were all networked together. Interdoc was the rapprochement between France and West Germany. Several factors fed into this. The failure of the Anglo-French attack on Egypt in 1956.

16:52 which propelled the orientation of the French security thinking towards European solutions and almost complete granting of sovereignty to the Federal Republic of Germany through the realization of a general treaty in 1955. Its subsequent membership into NATO all created a European integration.

17:18 And then you had the Treaty of Rome in 1952, and the Germans were looking for full recognition, while the French wanted to consolidate a Franco-German axis at the heart of post-war Europe for economic purposes as well as political. This mutual interest would reach a high point with the Elysee Treaty.

17:44 signed by Konrad Adenauer, who was the first chancellor of Germany, and Charles de Gaulle in January of 1963. Significantly, just over two weeks before the inter-doc agreement was sealed at The Hague. The closeness on the level of politics obscured a direct clash of interests between the two nations over Algeria, almost certainly involving French covert action against German business interests,

18:15 During the late 1950s, the French military had been interested in using NATO as a central point for which to coordinate ideological warfare and psychological warfare since the early 1950s, which they had been doing courtesy of Operation Gladio. Resistance from, among others, the United States and Britain prevented such moves to

18:40 real concerns about turning NATO into a propaganda agency. And that's utter horseshit. Anyway, but the Berlin crisis of 1958 and 61 saw these plans temporarily revived by the West Germans with a call for NATO-wide cooperation in psychological warfare. Now, and let me just stop because I want to highlight this point.

19:06 In 1953, it was British and the United States that overthrew Iran using, quote unquote, NATO and a full onslaught of psychological operations inside of Iran. So the fact that this author thinks that the UK and the US was on the outside of this collaboration is hogwash. The inability to move NATO in this direction, again, hogwash.

19:36 behind the German commitment to the Interdach project for the next decade. 1956, the Ministry for All German Affairs set up in Berlin as a forum for discussing common anti-communist information strategies among NATO and neutral states, also partly as a way to ensure the German question remained central. Interdach would be an extension of this kind of thinking.

20:03 And again, remember in 1948, it's the CIA and the Atlantic Alliance at the time, because NATO was in the formation, that interfered with the action in Italy. So, Gladio was already in the works. The stay-behind units were being fielded at that time. So, just keep all that in mind.

20:32 contentious in difficulty to explore any angle of Interdoc as a transnational actor and its relationship with this quote-unquote stay-behind units, otherwise known as Gladio, established across Western Europe after the Second World War. The Special Operations Executive, SOE,

20:56 as allied nations sought to copy its techniques of sabotage, intelligence gathering, and courier services behind enemy lines in order to prepare for a future invasion of the Soviet Union. The signing of the first Brussels Treaty in 1948, followed by the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949, and the security infrastructure that they brought into existence.

21:23 resulted in a level of official liaison between the stay-behind units that had not existed before. First, through the Western Union Clandestine Committee from 1951, through the Clandestine Planning Committee, CPC, and then its offshoot, the Allied Clandestine Committee of 1957. We've talked about all of those. They were both attached to shape Supreme Headquarters Allied

21:54 Europe, which is basically the military part of that. And that is always a U.S. military four-star general that has known all about all of this, all of this time. While details of the stay-behind units vary in different nations, it has emerged since the early 1990s, the issue that they existed.

22:30 and that they remained highly contentious. Within the Netherlands, the stay-behind units were known as OI, meaning operations and intelligence. Originally, these were two separate formations. What became I, or S-A-Z, for three Dutch words, was initiated already in March 1945.

23:01 by the head of the Dutch Government's Intelligence Bureau, Lieutenant Colonel J.M. Summers. O, on the other hand, was a private initiative of Louis Eindhoven, E-I-N-T-H-O-V-E-N, an influential former Rotterdam police chief who was appointed head of the Central Security Service in 1946.

23:30 and its successor, the Domestic Security Service, BVD, in 1949. It was only in 1949 that S.A.Z., Chief Baron Van Linden, L-Y-N-D-E-N, discovered that Einhoven Unit O had been in existence already for three years.

24:01 Attempts by the military establishment to enforce a merger between the two groups was resisted by Eindhoven even after his retirement as head of the BBD in March 1961. He was able to ensure that O continued to be, to a large extent, his own private domain. O never disclosed what his budget was actually spent on.

24:32 Since it has also been tasked with psychological warfare, and Eindhoven himself was a driving force behind the creation of Interdoc and the situating of its headquarters at the Hague, the links between the stay-behind units and Interdoc can be traced to the very beginning. It could also be that Eindhoven's existing contacts across Europe through the CPC and ACC network

25:02 i.e. the hierarchy of the stay-behind units, was the fact that they had been present and placed in neutral countries such as Sweden and Switzerland, and that made him the ideal candidate for getting the Interdak project off the ground. Between 1963 and 1968, Interdak was predominantly a German-Dutch concern. De Gaulle's suspicions towards the loyalty of the

25:33 S-D-E-C-E, which is their counter-espionage people in the French government. Concerning Algerian independence caused a clampdown on its activities. The French president's desire to improve relations with Moscow also did not sit well. So again, I'm going to highlight this. 1963, Charles de Gaulle and JFK.

26:02 Both were working backdoor avenues to negotiations with Moscow. Charles de Gaulle had over 20 attempted assassinations against him. JFK obviously succumbed to assassination as well. Both of them, quote unquote, coincidentally, happened to be doing the same thing.

26:37 The Interdak headquarters was led by a Dutch director, former BBD officer, Kies van den Heuvel. So it's V-A-N-D-E-N-H-E-U-V-E-L. With Eindhoven in the background and a German deputy director supporting.

26:59 In the beginning, the share of the funding was set as a 4 to 1, with the larger amount coming from the Federal Intelligence Organization, the German BND, which is Reinhard Gehlen. But in 1969, the German-Dutch imbalance had ballooned into a 10 to 1 financial agreement, meaning Germany was basically controlling the Netherlands.

27:30 The CIA was controlling Reinhard Galen. And keep in mind, through all of this, Crypto AG was created, bought, paid for, put behind a fake company in Switzerland, but jointly owned by Germany and the United States. And Germany is actually being ran by Nazis. Still, just FYI.

27:59 especially in the intelligence area. So yes, we jointly owned a company, a fake company that had backdoors built into encryptions that was sold to over 120 countries around the world. So with the Nazis that the people like Alan Dulles rescued after World War II, we went into business with them.

28:34 The Germans needed the Netherlands as the public face of Interdak for plausible deniability. As the BND officer Herman Fort, F-O-E-R-T-S-C-H, remarked in 1960, quote, as neutral a site as possible is desired to counter national misgivings, unquote, because

29:01 Them having anything to do with stuff like Interdak would have drawn attention to the fact that their entire government was still embedded with Nazis, and they didn't want that, so they used Netherlands as the face of Interdak, even though the Germans and the U.S. was basically behind it. Up to 1965, Eindhoven and van den Heuvel

29:34 and their German associates, BND officer Rolf Geier, you spell his name R-O-L-F-G-E-Y-E-R, concentrated on encouraging the formation of national institutes in those nations regarded as essential partners. They are Belgium, Britain, Italy, Switzerland, or excuse me, Sweden.

30:03 Hold on, let me get Bridget back up here. All right, let's start over. Belgium, Britain, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.S. The original design of Interdoc had assumed a rigid structure with national institutes functioning as the producers of information, i.e. propaganda, and analysis on anything to do with communism.

30:32 Interdoc headquarters would serve as the fulcrum or clearinghouse for the network communications. Originally, the training of anti-communist cadre was going to be a central purpose of Interdoc, but concerns over this and what it might entail, especially in relationship at the national level, was a cause for concern.

31:00 The formation of the Dutch Foundation for the Study of Human Ecology in 1960s, followed by the German basically counterpart, led the way for others. The process of finding and gathering like-minded individuals, formalizing the new group's purpose and goals, and arranging for the necessary funding in each of these nations proved laborious and ultimately achieved very little.

31:29 The only apparatus that appeared successful was the formation of Interdoc UK in July of 1964. Itself proved to be of limited value due to its ongoing reluctance of both MI6 and the Foreign Office's Information Research Department to commit to it. Now, I'm just going to say this.

31:55 Because what I have come to realize is this author may have not been able to find the fact that it was effective or not effective. So they make the assumption that it wasn't. That may or may not be true. So they set up the training of management cadres on basically what to call a communist threat. And then once you figured out what to call a communist threat.

32:26 they figured out the ways to counter what they were calling a communist threat. Even Shell, the mainstay of the Interdoc operation in the Netherlands, yes, the company Shell, and a vital channel for building contacts in Belgium, France, and Italy, proved unwilling to back the British version of Interdoc. It did offer, however, to back Brian...

32:59 Crozier, C-R-O-Z-I-E-R, his organization was called the Institute for the Study of Conflict in the 1960s. The abandonment of the National Institute model at the end of 1965 created a more fluid structure in Interdox headquarters at the Hague.

33:27 as a distribution point and network facilitator for all of its partners. With Interdoc serving as a kind of a contractor, they were utilized by whichever parties needed anti-communist expertise and support. The relationship that was built up directly with the Swiss organization of Peter Sager, S-A-G-E-R,

33:58 was called Ost Institute of Bern, which was cooperation that had previously been hampered by the problem of achieving consensus. This new arrangement also fitted Interdoc's role as a distributor of periodicals about communist, i.e. propaganda, mostly produced by the BND, you know, the Nazis, which hated the communists.

34:29 in-house analyst, and its associated research institutes, one of which was IRD. And at its peak, Interdoc was sending out 25 titles in English, German, French, and Spanish. Subjects ranged from notes on communist and communist-sponsored activities to religious and church.

34:56 in a communist orbit. These are just some of the names of them. The position of top-ranking general officers in the leadership of the Soviet Union. This is kind of the crap. That one was produced in Japan because Japan was part of all of this, even though it doesn't get mentioned often, as was South Korea, as was Taiwan. The Hague, through other nations, networked the recipients.

35:25 of this propaganda through the government, media, and academia. Regular conferences were held in which to distribute the information. Between 1963 and 76, 20 were held in the location of Britain, Italy, Switzerland, U.S., and West Germany, ranging from topics of Africa, the New Left,

35:51 in the Netherlands, another one called the Soviet Activities in the Mediterranean. Interdoc also involved a covert action side, although it was, let's see, Van Den Heuvel had a code name, Victor, and he had survived two years on the run as part of a resistance network in occupied

36:19 Netherlands from 1942 to 1944. One of his tasks for the BVD had been to undermine the Dutch Communist Party by spreading disinformation. Among its leadership in rank and file, an operation of such was a success. I guess because they didn't have that big of a communist party, that's how they were gauging their success. With this as his background,

36:49 It is unsurprising that Van Den Heuvel lived several lives. On one hand, acting as the public face of Interdoc's Hague office, on the other facilitating and running behind-the-scenes operations with a host of hidden partners, i.e. Gladio. The first of the operations involved a counteraction against Moscow-backed World Youth Festival.

37:22 in Helsinki in 1962 with a trained Dutch student delivering a speech opposing Soviet quote-unquote imperialism. So interesting. The goal of connecting with and training a select group of committed youth to pursue political goals was a running theme throughout Interdoc's existence. From the covert trans-European Luxembourg group of student activists, that was the name of it, Luxembourg

37:56 to more overt creations and expansions of interdoc youth program from 68 to 70 and the formation of Jason, which is an acronym for a Dutch word, J-A-S-O-N, in the Netherlands in September 1975. In each case, a crucial element was to wish to pass on to a younger generation

38:24 the principles of fascism. One of the aspects of the interdoc story is a relationship with the U.S. The Dutch were from the beginning adamant that the Americans should be part of the setup. Eindhoven acted as a go-between between European partners and the CIA. He appealed directly to Alan Dulles in 61 and 62 for funding. And the author says that

38:59 Alan Dulles didn't want to provide CIA funds. No, he didn't. But they had all of the covert funding from drug sales, and they very much did help this entire network. Interdoc could have been regarded as a European responsibility, which Europeans should have to pay for themselves. Dulles was then fully undermined as CIA director by the Bay of Pigs disaster in 61.

39:26 With the CIA head of station in The Hague, little seems to have happened under Dulles' successor, John McCone, or William Raybourne. To further the relationship, neither the French nor Germans particularly were interested in the U.S. presence. And again, this is all garbage. The U.S. and the CIA was very much involved in all of this the entire time. They did it through NATO.

39:58 Things, because they always want plausible deniability. In the mid-1960s, specifically December 65, a CIA officer in Munich by the name of Gaither, G-A-I-T-H-E-R, Stewart, S-T-E-W-A-R-T, visited Hague to assist its current operations. Gaither's report.

40:29 indicates that there had been operational contact in the previous years. CIA's interest was focused on interdocs' involvement with the youth organizations, with East and West student exchanges and the use of Dutch base for book mailings to the Soviet Union. In turn, van den Heuvel provided interdocs' contacts in Denmark, Sweden, and Switzerland and opened the way for the CIA.

40:59 to interface with an inter-press news agency in Latin America. Brief reports summed up in Interdoc's relationships with Americans, quote, business-like cooperation on no more than a case-by-case basis, unquote, which again is garbage. Whether the renewed CIA interest was connected to the arrival of Richard Helms as CIA director is unclear.

41:28 It 100% was, but they had maintained that regardless of who was the director because they do it covertly. At this stage, there had already been established a Washington-based National Strategy Information Center, NSIC, which we've come across several times. Its director at the time was Frank Barnett.

41:56 NSIC was founded in 1962 as an offshoot of the Institute of American Strategy, and its financial backers was none other than the beer giant Joseph Coors, C-O-O-R-S, and Richard Mellon Scape, S-C-A-I-F-E. In 1966, Van Den Heuvel

42:25 made a three-week trip to North America to pursue formal cooperation arrangements and got support from the National Association of Manufacturers, Stuart Bader, B-A-E-D-E-R, who was keen on Interdoc and was very supportive. Barnett evaded this pressure to tie NSIC to Interdoc.

42:58 Instead, a new constellation of forces arose that seemed to place Interdoc at a disadvantage. From 67 to 68, Barnett linked up with Brian Cozier, C-R-O-Z-I-E-R, and laid the path for Cozier's Institute for the Study of Conflict, I-S-C, to begin receiving fundings from the Scaife Foundation, S-C-A-I-F-E Foundation.

43:26 Interdoc's report in 1969 stated explicitly that, quote, to set up a permanent central office in the United States still remains the objective of Interdoc's aspirations, unquote. It is noticeable that in the late 1960s, Interdoc's anti-communist orientation moved to the right. Partners who were previously beyond the Pell were now being welcomed into Interdoc.

43:54 From 1967 onward, it was not Barnett, but Crosby Kelly, the public relations expert with Linton Industries, L-I-T-T-O-N, who was also a member of Le Cercle at the time. In the same year, the World Anti-Communist League was formed, and Van den Heuvel took on the role of the Dutch representative to the World Anti-Communist League.

44:24 Their members featured prominently in inter-doc conferences from that period forward. It is also an important role for the World Anti-Communist League activists in many other locations like Lebanon, India, South Korea, and South Vietnam. This move, weird that they don't mention Taiwan and Japan because they were founding members, but oh well.

44:51 This move seems to have been a deliberate effort to connect with the right-wing trend in U.S. anti-communism, the Vietnam War having undermined the credibility of liberal cold warriors, and the exposure of the CIA's many covert operations, like the mighty Wurlitzer from Frank Wisner in Ramparts and New York Times and other publications in 1967.

45:17 caused a major rethink on anti-communist strategies. You know, because we were the actual bad guys, not the communists. We better rethink how we're going to package that. But the reorientation of Interdoc received increased U.S. financial and organizational input. In 1970-71, BND, the German Galen Organization,

45:47 Involvement was dramatically curtailed due to the election of Willy Brandt, B-R-A-N-D-T, and the SPD party. They were generally suspicious of the BND activities and was not going to allow any dirty tricks from Munich to undermine the normalization with the East, so he too wanted to have conversations.

46:16 with the Soviet Union. The East German Stasi anticipated in a report in 1971 that Interdoc would increasingly become financed by the American Secret Service, and that's exactly what happened. The German withdrawal placed Interdoc on a precarious financial position through 71 and 72, so much so that in 73, Interdoc's paid workforce

46:50 at least the ones that were legitimately on paper and not covertly paid, was a handful of people. Money clearly did continue to flow in from somewhere, though. The fact that the former psychological warfare expert of the BVD was now claiming that the West should better understand and appreciate the Soviet position certainly looked...

47:18 took many by surprise, not the least of which was Frank Barnett and the NSIC. Brian Kosiers, always dubious of detente as a cover for nefarious Soviet designs, publicly broke off relations with the ISC-organized multinational conference on new dimensions for the defense of the Atlantic alliance, held

47:46 in Winchester in November 1976 as a result of this. Cozier used the event to call for more effective coordination against anti-communist organizations and demanded a realignment that placed Interdoc beyond the pale. This seems to have triggered the end of NSIC's involvement and Barnett withdrew from the Interdoc board.

48:12 Hosby Kelly was still operating as an inter-doc link man, though, and one more attempt was made via Kenneth Adelman, A-D-E-L-M-A-N, at the time with the Pentagon's Army Review Board Agency and its advisor to the Secretary of Defense, who happened to be Donald Rumsfeld. In the same period, Van Damme-Vuvle

48:40 looked to strengthen ties with the U.S. through veterans of the OSS in New York and also Ray Klein. The Center for Strategic and International Studies became a player as well. There was another organization called the Foundation for Solidarity and Alliance, Netherlands and the U.S. It was called FSAN. This evolved out of a plan by Brian Kosiers.

49:10 to establish a sort of pressure group to keep the Americans in line with Europe. Since the 1970s, saw serious debate in the U.S. Congress concerning the continuing cost of leaving military forces in Europe. So, of course, you're going to have to have a crisis. FSAN duly received sponsorship from Heineken, KLM,

49:42 and the American Chamber of Commerce in Rotterdam and became the most public outlet for linking the government, the royal family, and veterans to ensure troops stayed in Europe. Crosby Kelly's continuing involvement points to how Interdoc's position became quite complex in the 1970s.

50:11 And out of one side, they would talk about detente while actually sabotaging it at the same time. There was a conference on security and cooperation in Europe from 73 to 75 that began having conversations about all kinds of this conversations like detente.

50:40 Do we want that? Do we want to keep Russia as the boogeyman? Another organization called AESP, which was based in Brussels, and it was a creation of the Belgian Floremond Damon. I'm going to spell the name. F-L-O-R-I-M-O-N-D-D-A-M-M-A-N. He had the support of Jean Vallée.

51:10 who, as I said, was intimately involved in Le Cercle. Van Damme, Houvel avoided any public association with AESP or the World Anti-Communist League, but coordination clearly happened behind the scenes because they're all on the same sheet of music. Van Damme...

51:36 contact with the quote-unquote right in the 1970s involved the renewal of the relationship with the O and the I, which are the Gladio orchestrators in the Netherlands. Various sources point to the involvement of O-I affairs because this would have required him to operate entirely in the public eye.

52:06 During 67 through 75, O.I. was overseen by Marius Rupert, R-U-P-P-E-R-T. He was a Protestant politician and advisor to the royal house, but his successor as the head of O. was none other than Van Den Heuvel's former wartime resistance colleague from the Albrecht group, Theo Jan van Leer, V-A-N-L-I-E-R.

52:36 Following Van Leer's appointment, O's budget expanded wildly, like almost doubled. And they were financing multinationals and they were getting finance from multinationals, but also from the CIA under the same relationship that those organizations had been funding Interdoc.

53:05 And in the 1970s, part of the O budget marked for psychological warfare was redirected to interdoc operations, meaning basically it's a fluid organization. It is noteworthy that William Colby became CIA director in 73, considering Colby's involvement in forming the stay-behind units, Gladio, in the Scandinavian countries of Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden.

53:33 In the 1950s, there was a very close relationship as a result of that. Van den Hovel's associate, Karl Armfelt, in Belgium and the Netherlands during the 1970s and 80s, was running anti-communist disinformation campaigns and stay-behind network for those countries funded by the CIA.

54:05 The official history of the Stay Behind programs in the Netherlands, written by a former head of BVD's archive, refers to a set of tasks for O, agreed by the head of the Dutch Chiefs of Staff, General BRPF Hasselman, H-A-S-S-E-L-M-A-N, in the 1950s, which included verbal and written propaganda to maintain the morale of the population.

54:35 and to undermine that of the enemy. And the enemy was domestic. Care should be taken, however. Rupert had insisted to the incoming Labor Minister, President Oop Den Ewell, in 1973, that O did not get involved in domestic politics. And that's a crock of shit. Because there is a video out there on YouTube of a guy that spent four years

55:05 investigating the Netherlands' stay-behind units based on the discovery of a huge cache of weapons in one of their parks. Nevertheless, Interdoc could be described as an internationally active way to bypass that regulation and any other. It is noticeable that van den Heuvel, in a period in which Interdoc's budget was meant to be severely curtailed,

55:35 had the funds to travel all over the world, including Moscow, several times during the 1970s. What can be confirmed is that from the beginning of the 70s, van den Heuvel did have contact with counter-subversive circles that belonged to a wider network of European stay-behind units. No kidding. For instance, the American Society for Industrial Security

56:05 and the Belgium security expert Robert Thomas and members of the British Reserve Forces Association. It is possible that this also points to direct links between Van den Heuvel, Armfelt, and the Black Ops operations that the CIA was conducting throughout Europe and NATO in the 1970s.

56:32 Yes, because it directly ties to that. So that's it for today's lesson. It's weird how these all, I try my best as I'm going through these texts to keep the overview of the chapters right to an hour. And luckily, I'm getting pretty good at that.

57:00 But anyway, if anybody wants to request a mic, come up and do so. Illini? Go ahead, Illini. Hey, Colonel. I only caught the last second of, hey, Illini. But good to talk to you. Happy Thursday. Thank you. Same to you. If you'd like, I can kind of give you a rundown of, you know, some stuff that, you know, I've reviewed on the World Trade Center. I don't know if this is a good time to do that or not.

57:41 Well, let's see if anybody has any comments about what we actually talked about today and then we'll end with that. SR-71, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. Did I hear right that we tried to involve the Russians in this in the first place? No. What they were saying is that several people like Charles de Gaulle and obviously JFK and a few others wanted to have conversations.

58:12 kind of behind the scenes for a detente with the Soviet Union so that people weren't wasting all of their money in some big arms race. And they very much were of the mind that, and Kennedy said it multiple times, that if you engaged in trade with people, that you tend to make them less hostile towards you because you come up with a...

58:40 dependency on each other. That's how China was handled with the engagement of a quote-unquote communist country. They decided to open trade with China, and you can debate all you want about the success of that, but there's some things that you can't debate.

59:12 And during the entire post-World War II, you had forces trained by the CIA, i.e. the United States, that were constantly at war with China. And we've talked about all of that. The Uyghurs being trained in paramilitary operations in Nepal and set loose inside of China.

59:41 flying Tibetans into Colorado and returning them to attack internal to China, us setting Chiang Kai-shek up on Taiwan, giving him an army, not an army, an air force and a navy. And then he used that for the next, you know, 40 years to attack mainland China. And so all of those things are true. Then in 72,

1:00:10 Nixon decided to have conversations with China and open up trade with China. And again, you can debate the merits of that all you want. But the fact that, you know, Nixon ends up getting cooed at the end of the day, obviously very ironic. And, you know, was it partly because of that? Because again, JFK was assassinated.

1:00:39 The backdoor conversations that he was having with both Castro and the Soviet Union could be part of that whole nexus of things that piss people off. And so the bottom line to all of this was they had decided Soviet Union was going to be the boogeyman and you were not allowed to have any conversations because any.

1:01:05 Break in the ice. Any indication that the Soviet Union was willing to deal with the West in any way at all would have totally screwed their everything communism is bad mantra and the psychological operation that they were waging on all of us. Fear and intimidation to steal all of our money to give to the military industrial complex.

1:01:34 in order to thwart the evil empire. All of that would have been wrecked and they weren't going to allow that to happen. And so anybody that did any conversations at all, Charles de Gaulle, JFK, they're out. Thanks for clearing that up, Colonel. Sure. The only thing that I'm thinking about at this point in time is it seems to me after what we've just been through, that we're trying to herd the cats and trying to figure out who should.

1:02:08 How do I want to put this? Who should be at the spearhead in Europe? Of course, the CIA wanted to fund, well, was funding it through Operation Gladio. There's no doubt about that. But it became apparent to me that they were bringing people in and tossing people out. So, given that fact, I...

1:02:34 I have to look at it from the standpoint of we've got a question of authority and what's going on where in this scenario. But all of that aside, thank you all for attending and thank everybody on Rumble and thanks for the show, Colonel. Sure. I'm not sure that, I mean, I think they have internal to their organization a pecking order. And the pecking order originally stemmed

1:03:05 from the UK and the aftermath of the Fabian one world government implementation. And so you have, and that's not to say it's always smooth to your point, SR 71, because in the case of the international syndicate that controls the intelligence, which then controls Gladio.

1:03:35 So you had instances, and the one that sticks out the clearest to me is when BP ran aground with Mosaddegh in Iran and got kicked out of the country because they tried to coup him and had to come hat in hand to the CIA for them to send Kermit Roosevelt over there to actually get the coup completed.

1:04:03 And as a result of that, hat in hand request for assistance because they weren't allowed back in Iran, the UK that is, standard oil, not the United States. Even though the CIA resources, UNI's money, was used to overthrow a foreign government, it was standard oil that walked away with the 30-some percent of...

1:04:34 Iranian oil. And so at the end of the day, that kind of arrangement, you know, they broker deals among themselves where they keep all the profits, but they use our tax dollars in many cases to do a lot of this as well, not just the drug money, as we found with USAID and many of these other organizations. So yeah, it's a very interesting

1:05:03 dynamic that plays out. Ron, go ahead. I wanted to say, yesterday I meant to, I ran out of time. I asked you a question about the Zionist thing, but there was another thing that I wanted to ask you. Are you familiar with Galitzin's New Lives for Old? You're breaking up. I'm going to switch to my phone. Hold on. I'm leaving to come right back.

1:05:42 So we'll wait for Ron before we switch subjects over to Illini. Would you not agree that no one is allowed to talk about peace? That is the underlying, you know, throughout all of these books, throughout all of this, whenever anybody starts to talk about peace, they're overthrown or they're killed or...

1:06:10 Correct. Correct. And that is kind of the, I don't want to say the focus of Gladio, but that is part of it or part of the focus of international syndicate. So the creation of chaos is 100% focus of all of that. Yes. And the chaos begets control. So yes, you're absolutely right. Ron, go ahead. Okay.

1:06:43 Yesterday, I was asking about the whole Zionist thing and why it's being allowed to be kind of permeate the discussion. And is that a faint for something else? But but I was also you said something yesterday that struck a chord in me. And are you are you familiar with Galitin's book, New Lives for Old? I don't have that book. I'm I'm.

1:07:10 I know a little bit about it, but I don't have it. I have not read it. Essentially, the nutshell is that what the Russians were going to do in the 80s, actually they had been planning this back as early as the 70s, is that they were going to have a collapse, or it was they were going to fake a collapse and make the West feel like they won, and then ultimately they were going to come back and be stronger than ever.

1:07:39 I don't know if that process is still in play, and I'm kind of asking your thoughts on this, because Russia is going to go, they were going to become a Christian country, and they were going to be almost like the West, and they were going to kind of switch places with the United States, but ultimately they were going to come back and be even more hardcore totalitarian.

1:08:13 Isn't it convenient? Isn't it convenient that you can write about here's what would be a good thing, but pitch it as a bad thing because it's all just fake. Right. That's the same people that tell us that Trump is only pretending to be good because he's really bad.

1:08:43 I have seen this play out more than once as I've researched and come across different authors where they can, it almost to me appears that they're going to, in a propaganda way, say,

1:09:10 This is what's going to happen, and if this happens, it's bad because it's not real. But everything that they say that's going to happen is actually good, but they have to hedge it as something bad because it's all fake. Okay, that makes sense. And yet, all of the fake shit, they pretend like it's real every single day, and it's all fake. Yeah.

1:09:40 Listen, I admire Putin. I really do. I admire Putin. I don't think he's faking it. I mean, he kicked out USAID in 2012. Why would he kick out USAID if he was on the payroll? So I don't know. There's too many things that go on there that make me believe that that's not right. And I think it was...

1:10:08 Perloff wrote an article, I think it was like 2016 timeframe, and he said the unthinkable has happened and the United States and Russia have changed places in the world. And I've got to say I kind of agree with that. So anyway, I just was curious. I was really curious about your thoughts because I asked you right as you were about ready to go about the whole Zionism thing and how it's being allowed to kind of be propagated out there. And is that something that –

1:10:35 were in your thoughts is that something that we're being allowed to talk about now because they're gonna like spring a trap on some i'm just i just kind of want your thoughts on that so in a in a nutshell zionism if you go back to the origins of it

1:10:57 It was given birth around the same time as the Fabian Society's writing about the one world government and how to implement it and how you have to segregate everything off and how you have to create these tension points, strategy of tension.

1:11:17 In order to manipulate people and they're talking about eugenicists and all of this other stuff. So that's kind of the background that gave birth to Zionism. Well, I'm well aware of that. Yeah. I'm just I'm just wondering why it's being allowed to be talked about so much. I know. Let me finish. I'm sorry. So because there's people here that don't know that. And so.

1:11:46 If you look at the cauldron of all of the different things that spilled out during that time, and you move that forward through, because a lot of people have questions about how you get, in Ukraine, you get Nazis and Zionists in the same bed. How's that happen? Ihor Kolomoisky is a great example of that.

1:12:15 backing Zelensky right you've got Ihor Kolomoisky is the one that hired the entire Azov battalion to go attack the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region and he at the same time is creating an actor to play president in the form of Zelensky so how do you get Zionist and Nazis in the same bed

1:12:37 Well, they were birthed by the same people. And so if you go back again to the Fabian and you look at the culmination of them creating the Bolshevik Revolution and Hitler, it's all the same people all the same time throughout history. And we just had Oswald Mosley's grandson show up today. One of the most famous Fabians of all times. I just about fell out of my chair. So this is...

1:13:07 This has been stewing for a very long time. And I believe that there is all of this happening right now to expose the fact that Zionism is very different than the traditional Judeo religion that gave birth to Christianity. Zionists, for the most part, are very Satanistic.

1:13:37 um mysticism just like the Nazis were um and so they're they are very very different um pro-abortion pro-whatever and the it was the Zionist as many people know um that were put into the Palestinian mandate area that the Brits had in Palestine

1:14:04 And that gave birth to the Haganog terrorist. And it's actually a terrorist. So let's just get him out. And so if you look at all of that stuff. Huh? Did somebody say something? What was that? Obviously a troll. That was Bridget.

1:14:39 Getting the trolls out soon enough. Yeah, my bad. I was cutting strawberries and didn't see him. My bad. And I was like, oh, it looks like the retards are still being programmed. So anyway, I think the exposure right now of people talking about Zionism and it is is picking up because.

1:15:09 I think everyone needs to now know that because we've been propagandized in America and in the West in general to believe that all Jewish people are the same and you can believe that they're all good or they're all bad. And it is absolutely not true. It, like everything else, has been infiltrated. There are good Jewish people and there are bad, villainous.

1:15:37 Jewish Zionist. 1,000% agree with you. And I'll just ask this question. Have you ever read the two little booklets by Bernstein? He was an American Ashkenazi who migrated over to Israel after the Six-Day War. And then he was there for about, I don't know, eight years. And then he's like, I'm out of here. And he bailed. Are you familiar with that?

1:16:06 I watched a video of him being interviewed. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's very interesting stuff. But anyway, okay, I appreciate it. And just for the record, I think you're right. I think the, you know, I think the stuff about Zionism, I think it's, I think it's coming out. And I think the fact that it's coming out is a good thing. It's a positive thing. And I agree that Trump is.

1:16:32 I believe Trump is good and that there are forces of good in the world that are trying to do things the right way. But it's just taking a long process to get it done. It's infiltration. You can't just go out and arrest everybody all at one time because that doesn't work that way. So you have to do it slowly and methodically. And I think that's what's happening before our eyes. And that's my opinion. And with that, I'll... Yeah.

1:17:01 So if you guys have any questions, I did a very generic overview of Zionism only. And I did it a couple of years ago. It's on my sub stack. If you guys want to go read it at the Colonel's Corner on sub stack. It is a, you know, 30,000 foot look because when I first started doing this two and a half years ago or however long it was, I didn't know anything about Zionism.

1:17:30 I knew that there was a thing. I didn't know how it interacted with the Jewish religion per se. I didn't know anything about any of that stuff. So because we were immediately attacked over on True Social as covering up for the Zionist, when Bridget and Cousin It and I began exposing this international syndicate.

1:17:56 That wasn't just made up of Jewish people. It was made up of Protestants. It was made up of Catholics, a lot of Catholics. And I kept asking myself, why the hell are they keep saying that? And so narrowly focused, as you guys have all seen displayed here, it's always, always, always, it's somebody of Jewish background. And no matter who you're talking about, whether it's Rockefeller.

1:18:26 It's a Jewish person, but he's not Jewish, but it's a Jewish person behind him and behind him and behind him. And so as the Swedish people are always saying, you know, if you go around anything, you're going to get to Ericsson as far as communications go. And so everybody has their piece that they're experts in. What I didn't see is anybody spanning out.

1:18:53 at the 30,000 foot look and looking at all of the pieces collectively together. And JFK is a very good example of that. Everybody has their set mantra. And it's, everybody says it's the Jewish people. It was Israel. It had to do with AIPAC and that's it. There's nobody else involved. It's just that.

1:19:16 And then you have other people. It's LBJ. It's LBJ. He had his own personal assassin, which he did. And it's just LBJ. Or you'll get maybe LBJ in the mafia. But if you look at JFK, he spent the entire presidency making enemies of everybody. And I think you sell his good, short.

1:19:44 by focusing on just one aspect of all the stuff that he did. AIPAC registration under FARA was a drop in the bucket to setting Algeria free, to supporting Sukarno in Indonesia and forestalling hundreds of thousands of people being murdered by what the CIA was wanting to do and JFK would not allow them to do it.

1:20:12 If you go back and you look at all of the people he pissed off, you have a shit ton of people that wanted the man dead. And I think that's very, very important. And you sell him short if you don't recognize that point. And I will keep saying that as long as I live. Colonel, can I piggyback up on that just for one question? Hold on just a second, Ron. Ron, hold on just a second. We've got some hands. So let's, Harry, go ahead.

1:20:42 Yeah, I just wanted to talk about something triggered for me when you said standard oil. With Iraq, the Chinese have gotten the oil, which I find very interesting, and I posted something in the pill about that. Okay, thanks. All along? Okay, yeah, let's just very, very quickly run down all of the things.

1:21:14 the major like starting lineup of reasons that JFK was assassinated by the CIA. And it just noticed particularly how the fake left never, ever mentions any of them and look at what the fit, the left is purportedly supposed to believe in. And then look how this is a pitch right in their wheelhouse and they swing and miss everything because they're paid to. Okay. Indonesia genocide of one and a half million, you know,

1:21:44 before and after caused by Dallas. Congo, genocide of 6 million, before and after caused by Dallas. Brazil coup, before and after caused by Dallas. Yes, absolutely. Nuclear Israel caused by Dallas. But also as part of that is, you know, Egypt wanting to share the oil revenue with Saudi Arabia was nixed.

1:22:12 And so Saudi Arabia and Rockefellers could keep all the oil money. And that's Dallas, right? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are you saying Dulles or Dallas? Well, both. I was saying Dallas as in the assassination of JFK in Dallas. Sorry. Yeah. And also, you know, the Cold War literally was being ended. In other words.

1:22:41 JFK had reversed the NATO plans for Nukes in West Germany. He had made the June 10th speech, you know, basically ending the cold, calling for the Cold War to be ended. He was, you know, making detente with the Soviet Union. U.S. News and World Report of August 63 is worried about peace scare breaking out and its effect on weapons sales.

1:23:11 for the military-industrial complex inside the United States. He was literally having detente with Fidel Castro at the very second of his assassination with the French diplomat Jean Daniel being sent by JFK around the back of the CIA because he did not trust them.

1:23:31 Cuba policy or on anything else. JFK was ending the Vietnam War, literally ending it. There's no question about that. If you read all seven of the scholarly monographs published since the Assassinations Records Review Board was finished in 1998, getting out of Vietnam, he was preventing a land war of 200,000 troops that was being demanded by the NSC and Joint Chiefs.

1:23:58 Upon his entry to the White House. In 1961. Let's see what else. We don't need all of them. I mean you've made the point. That is all true. And it has to be recognized. Yeah. I think that's very very important. The. Again. If you don't recognize all of that.

1:24:27 you are definitely selling the historical significance of JFK's presidency. He was a, and I know that we love President Trump, but to me, JFK at that time, when the Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted to use nuclear weapons on every fucking thing, I'm just, again, I'm flabbergasted when I go back and read how often they had on the agenda.

1:24:57 the use of tactical nuclear weapons. That was going to solve everything every single time. That's all they said. They must have had a red button, and all they wanted to do was use that red button. Yeah, Colonel, their use of the nuclear weapons as a nuclear first strike nearly happened three times under JFK's administration. It's completely effing buried. And the way they do this in academia, they make that strategic nuclear study separate from everything else.

1:25:27 When it's overlapping everything and to erase that clouds everything and helps the left gatekeepers cover up the CIA coup of late 1963. So the the bravery of JFK to stand up against that gristmill cannot be understated. Ron, go ahead. I'm sorry. I was just going to say to your point, the speech that he gave in April, two months into his.

1:26:02 presidency when he literally was talking to the press corps in New York City when he said, you know, I mean, we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on coveted means for expanding its sphere of influence on infiltration instead of invasion.

1:26:21 Subversion instead of elections. Intimidation instead of free choice. Guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. So why don't you just say he gave his Gladio speech? Yeah. But if anybody ever wants to or has anybody pushed back, just have them go to that particular speech. And it's like this is the president of the United States talking. Yes. And he is describing in every sentence of that speech.

1:26:51 Shortly after we discovered Gladio, and I don't remember what country we were working on, but it was during, it may have been the Congo, actually. And so we've got these secret armies and we've got the coup and the details of what happened in the Congo. Yeah, I'm sure it was the Congo because that was one of the first ones that we found.

1:27:19 And I went back because, of course, JFK, he he had been it happened like three days before he became president. And he had been president for like three weeks before the CIA even bothered telling him they had murdered a foreign head of state. And that to me just blew my mind. And I pulled out that speech and read every single word of it.

1:27:49 It took me about 15 minutes. I was just dumbfounded because he is describing Operation Gladio. He knew it to be true. There is no doubt in my mind. Now, do I think he knew it was being ran out of NATO? Again, I've made this point very clear. I don't think so because he wouldn't have put Lyman Lemonsker there if he had.

1:28:17 But he very much knew what was going on. Well, and to your point, I don't think he, why would he have gone to the press? He was literally begging the press to help him expose this when they were, they were the ones that were covering for them. It's like, it's just so, I mean, so I think you're right. He didn't know what he was up against. Well, I think he did, but I don't think he felt he had a choice. I think he felt he had to keep going.

1:28:49 He absolutely knew what he was up against. He's telling you, gorillas by night. He knew what he was up against. He just was not going to not do it. That's how brave he was. Okay, I can get along with that. I'm just saying, I don't think he, I think he knew the size of it. I just think it was much bigger than he, I think he thought it was big, but I think it was bigger than he even thought. How's that? Yeah, I don't know. I think he knew.

1:29:16 But anyway, Miles, go ahead. Good afternoon, Colonel. Since we're doing bullet points on how JFK pissed people off. So I think because he wanted to inspect Israel's nuclear facilities, it's still relevant today because they're talking about Iran again. And now Saudi Arabia wants a nuclear power plant.

1:29:46 I think, you know, if we just keep the uranium like under 6%, then you're not going to develop weapons. So I don't know what the problem that Israel has with all this, but maybe they wanted to get rid of them because of that. I don't know. We're just highlighting things. Okay. All along. Hold on. I forgot what I was going to say. Sorry. Come back.

1:30:18 Sure. The one point that I will make about the nuclear program in Israel, it was France that gave Israel the technology. There's a whole big story about that and how Israel then made a deal with South Africa to share nuclear technology with them if they allowed.

1:30:47 Israel to test off the coast of South Africa. There was documentation that they actually detonated a nuclear weapon out off the coast of South Africa. And then there's a lot of documentation that there were front or CIA front organizations in Texas that was giving nuclear technology to Pakistan so that they could also. And again,

1:31:15 This just goes to the whole destabilization. All of this stuff comes out of NATO in one form or fashion to all of these post-World War II made-up countries in order to create destabilization so that they can control the chaos and control us as a result. All along, go ahead. Yeah, Colonel, I just remembered a moment from the book that...

1:31:45 I know you've read called The Devil's Chessboard, wherein JFK, you know, attempts to call up Charles de Gaulle and says, yo, comma, Chuck, these, you know, quote, my CIA is helping your, quote, OAS try to kill you. And I cannot control them. This is in 1961.

1:32:13 And he is saying that to Charles DeGaulle. And, you know, Charles DeGaulle and also Kwame Naruma were extremely clear on their understanding that the CIA had killed JFK. Both of them had had a little experience, perhaps, with the CIA assassinations. Like, they've seen that cloud from both sides now. And yet our fake left, especially with Kwame Naruma, a hero.

1:32:41 Of theirs, one would think and once was, but it's now been never mentioned because he makes it absolutely clear that he's, you know, he saw one look at the Dulles. I'm sorry, the Warren Commission that should have been called the Dulles Commission. And he said whitewash and handed the commission back because he knew it was a fraud. And the other thing I just wanted to say is like, you know, when it comes to how much JFK knew about this.

1:33:11 I agree. I think he knew quite a lot about it. But we also have to remember, like, you know, it's the whole metaphor of the toboggan going down the mountain. And at what point could a president even have hoped to have stopped that toboggan going down the mountain? Well, because it was the CIA was 13 to 16 years old. Yeah, exactly. And he did. He tried. And the when is also, you know, because what does that tell?

1:33:40 about presidents later as the toboggan gets more and more momentum, you know? But I think that's actually, hold on a second. I think that's actually the reason why Robert Kennedy was taking on the mafia because they knew that was the tentacle. That was like tier two of the CIA inside the United States. And so if you look at what's happening right now.

1:34:04 where they're going after USAID and National Endowment for Democracy and all of these other embedded. And at the same time, they're going after the gangs and the deportation and all of this other stuff. And there's been a whole bunch of money laundering arrests. They're going after the money supply here. And so, again, it has to be a whole...

1:34:33 People said, you know, there was a lot of people that have wondered why, since it was the mafia and the deal with Joe Kennedy to get JFK elected, why Bobby would go after the thing that got them there. And I think they had tried to begin mapping that network. And I think that's exactly why.

1:35:02 he was going after them because they were trying to do a whole of government sweep up, as you pointed out, get us out of all of the wars and bring all of that back home and to try to change our approach. I think he genuinely thought the Peace Corps would be a good thing. Obviously, it was corrupted as well. Blah, blah, blah. So, yeah. Ron, real quick, and then I want to go to Illini.

1:35:32 Yeah, no, you're good. I was just going to say, you know, I was reading Sutton, and he was talking about how Israel was primarily giving weapons to Iran, and they were the main purveyor of sending weapons all over the Middle East and everywhere. And when I heard that, in a way, it almost kind of gave me a little bit of peace, because it's like,

1:36:00 I know it sounds frightening, but at the same time, it's all controlled and it's all contrived to keep everybody in a state of fear. I don't think the ultimate objective is the destruction of the world. The ultimate objective is the destruction of liberty in the world. Well, I don't know. They only want 500,000 people, so that's a lot of dead bodies. But anyway, Illini, go ahead.

1:36:31 change of topic. Hey, Colonel, you guys discussed the Kurt Weldon interview a couple of days ago. I went out and did some research on some stuff, the follow-up on some of this. The first is that, I guess if there's one takeaway, Kurt Weldon cited the Bravo 7 video, and I've pinned a link to that up in the nest, and this is where a whole bunch of architects and engineers

1:37:00 And firefighters kind of go through everything and kind of make the case for why they think, you know, rather than it being a building collapse, this could have been a demolition, particularly of Building 7 of the World Trade Center. I watched it. I thought it was interesting. I think they make some good points on it.

1:37:27 I also think that there's a couple of different models of the world that could happen. The first is that for anybody who's watched the Tucker Carlson interview, obviously, Kurt Weldon was this congressman who was almost going to be the head of the House Armed Services Committee. Really smart, reasonable guy. And it's clear that he was retaliated against. And it's clear that it was probably for calling.

1:37:54 the World Trade Center Commission a whitewash. I'm with him on that. It's clear also that Philip Zelikow was definitely in charge of things. There was an interesting clip that I'll get to in a minute that kind of shows the degree of control that he exercised over some of the hearings.

1:38:24 I think they also think that there's going to be some issues, too. And there's a couple of different models of the world. One is that, you know, Zelikow pretty much got it right, you know, at least in the grand scheme of things. But because Kurt Weldon, you know, said that they did a sloppy job, he got retaliated against because, you know, obviously the CIA is doing some false flag attacks. And they were worried that Kurt Weldon could disrupt, you know, another cover up, even though this one.

1:38:54 they were just kind of sloppy about it and got called out by him, even though maybe they got it right that it was simply a building collapse. That's one model of the world. Another model of the world is that the engineers and the architects are right. Maybe there was a certain amount of a demolition going on. And then there's models of the world where, you know,

1:39:20 potentially both things are kind of explaining things at the same time because the building called, you know, the real trade center was a really complicated structure. It wasn't designed the normal way. Um, and, and they're, and trying to model what happened is going to be really tricky to, to do. Um, and I think the hardest thing, the biggest exculpatory piece of evidence for Zellico and, and, you know, the,

1:39:47 people who are alleged to, and the CIA, is the 911 calls from people above the 90th floor. There was one call at 937, for instance, that said that they saw a building collapse, that there was a collapse on the 92nd floor. And that may have been part of why everybody with the fire department and the police department became concerned about some kind of a collapse issue.

1:40:17 ahead of time. But more importantly, though, it's also an eyewitness account saying, not that there was an explosion in the building, but that there was a collapse. You've also got 911 calls, including one guy, Kevin Cosgrove. And this is all kind of referenced in some of the stuff I've gone through in the nest, where, you know, Kevin's actually on the phone until the moment of the collapse, I think in

1:40:46 I think in Tower 2. And you can hear the first three seconds of it. It's kind of disturbing. So be careful if you listen to it. You also have the building engineers who come out kind of swinging and kind of go into detail, you know, saying what they think happened initially. And I mean, my thinking about an engineer is this is a guy dealing with a really complicated subject matter.

1:41:17 And I don't think he has the time or the energy to front on things. Could be wrong. It would be quite a feat to pull that off. To pull what off? He's dealing with a really complex system and trying to explain what happened. Who is he? Who are you talking about? The engineers? The architects? The building engineer. In this case, let me look it up. It's the third one down in the nest.

1:41:52 Robertson. The article by the New York Times was about Guy Tizzoli. He was a building engineer. He was 88 years old during the collapse. He was trying to drive through the Holland Tunnel that morning and he got waved off by the police.

1:42:21 I mean, the building did collapse at nine o'clock. So there's that going on. But it does seem like all the engineers at the time kind of came out swinging on this and tried to explain what they thought happened. And there was a New York Times article in September of 2002. So that's what this demolition narrative is going to have to overcome. They're going to have to overcome.

1:42:50 People on the phone saying that, you know, there was some kind of collapse up on 92 before the building completely failed. They're also going to have to deal with the fact that there is the building engineer who has his model of what happens. And I just don't see a building engineer also being able to pull off, you know, what the CIA does, too. I think.

1:43:15 I think there's a lot of brain power. Explain what you just said. You don't believe that a building engineer could pull off what the CIA did. What do you mean by that? I don't think he could be able to. Well, I think it's hard to misdirect and keep a model in your head that is is a lie going on a really complicated subject. That's saying it's it's it's not possible. It sounds hard to me.

1:43:48 Yeah, I would disagree with that part. Okay. Just because of what's at stake for people that participate in the lie. Oh, yeah, sure. So the most. Yeah, you don't have to give the benefit of the doubt here.

1:44:20 And I think, interestingly enough, now that we know, I think the one thing that all of this has going for it is it's post-COVID. Yes, it's post-COVID. It's post the New York post-censorship, too. True. But I don't think it's the censorship because that's more.

1:44:50 of a passive thing, your government trying to kill you is something that everybody's lived through now. And I think that completely changes how you look at 9-11 now. And so I think if you had an open forum where the firefighters who actually hauled in detonations happening,

1:45:23 And have the expertise to be able to know the difference between a collapse and a detonation. Because I can say that same thing. If you're just a normal person and there is a controlled demolition going on, you may use the word collapse as a way of describing it.

1:45:52 You would never in your wildest dreams believe that somebody would detonate a building like the World Trade Center. That's not in your frame of reference at all. You're right. Yes. So I think we can't.

1:46:15 put all of the focus on exact wording. As a matter of fact, I'll share with you guys something since this is... Every time that I'm on SITREP with CanCon and Alpha, I don't know if you guys tuned in early enough to see their promo leading into their show. It is several of the tape recordings of people that are on those planes.

1:46:46 And I thought this the very first time that I heard the recordings. And every time I'm sitting in the proverbial green room waiting to go on that show and I listen to them, the entire thing seems staged. They say things that no normal person would say on those recordings.

1:47:12 They are talking, supposedly the one woman's talking to her husband and she's talking as if in the third person. It just is the most bizarre, disorienting conversations that they have as if they're reading a script of some kind. I know that sounds weird, but I would just encourage you guys, if you have the time.

1:47:40 You're bored and you want to go back and listen to those. Again, I do think that just as COVID woke so many other people up, I think now that people have wrapped their head, not everybody, but I think now that a lot of people will have wrapped their head around the fact that through the FDA or the CDC or whatever, that your government literally wants you dead.

1:48:06 that going back through and having a re-vetting of 9-11 and a complete disclosure of, again, why would anything on 9-11 be classified? Why? Riddle me that question. I completely agree with you. If our government did not do it, then there would be nothing classified because you would have everything out in the open saying,

1:48:36 Saudi Arabia did it or Afghanistan or bin Laden or whatever. They don't have any of that. Exactly. I mean, I think you've got some stuff to overcome here, though. And my worry is, let's say that the narrative changes on it and they prosecute people on this. I think you have to deal with the phone calls and you have to address them because.

1:49:04 If the narrative could swing back again, that's the risk. And I think they have to basically – you have to come up with a way to address the fact that Guy Fazzoli comes out swinging and maybe he's in on it. That could be one explanation. Maybe – I mean it is a New York Times article. Maybe he could have gotten his narrative straight ahead of time.

1:49:32 And maybe they could have, you know, been relatively friendly, you know, people. And then finally, of course, nobody back then wanted to believe that the government could be behind it. Nobody even thought about it. The government was there to protect us from this stuff. So there is the one video of the Alaska engineers that.

1:49:54 talk about the whole thing. And I'm not sure if it was in that video or if I've read it. Um, but before I left active duty, um, I did read an account, um, and I forget who sent it to me, um, that talked about the, um, there were certain offices over a multi-year period of time that had been renovated.

1:50:24 in both towers. And the insulation that had been used in those areas had been, and there's a particular company that it came from, and I don't want to use the word experimental, but some unique insulation that had been embedded with a thermite-like material.

1:50:52 And the the allegation was that once the detonations occurred, that it would have been kind of the trickle down effect that would basically give you the look of it imploding and being a controlled demolition there again.

1:51:22 If you just use common sense and you don't try to get mired down in the details, there have been planes run into buildings multiple times. There has never been a still building that it collapsed among itself, upon itself, for any reason at all, because of fire. Never happened. Never happened in the history of the world. So there is...

1:51:52 Again, and Elina, you're absolutely right. But I think the inverse is true too. You can get so bogged down in the details of trying to cross every T that you miss the common sense where I don't need a whole lot of, and I understand what you're saying in a court of law, you absolutely do. But in order to, I want everything declassified.

1:52:21 I want it all laid out on a, and then you're going to have to convince me that something in that, I want to go about it the exact opposite. You're going to have to convince me that something in that pile of papers that gets declassified does the exact opposite of what we know to be natural properties of steel not burning.

1:52:52 To me, my brain, the logic of my brain, I have to have something that tells me that something happened that was not logical or I'm going with my logic. So let me get to a couple of the hands. Let me give you a couple of things, though, that point towards a conspiracy, though, too. I've given you the stuff that doesn't.

1:53:20 Number one, Philip Zelikow, he's in charge of the 9-11 staff. There's an interesting segment of this video that I've posted. If you go a couple of things down from my 9-11 revisited thing, there's a segment of the hearing where they're talking about the emergency response. And what's clear is that Sam Kasperson, who's one of Zelikow's workers, he's this

1:53:49 kid in his 20s at the time. He just came from a couple of years of Sullivan and Cromwell. It's clear that he's in charge of the hearing and not, you know, George Del Grosso, who's actually, you know, giving the presentation there. He's telling George Del Grosso, you know, what line he's supposed to be on and what he's supposed to say. So I found that really interesting to kind of back up, you know, Kurt Weldon's point.

1:54:19 And then there's a couple of – there's an interesting interview from David Rockefeller of All People with a Telegram. And he's trying to pitch his new book, Memoirs, which does talk a little bit about the construction of the World Trade Center in the whole process. But he says two funny things in that interview. And maybe I'm taking these out of context, but you can read between the lines in them if you really want to, which is he said, I watched them go up. I watched them come down.

1:54:48 Well, David Rockefeller was a little bit more instrumental in just watching and the whole process of them going up. So you can kind of, you know, leave certain things to the imagination. And then he also says, you know, he also says, I was never really worried about them attacking, you know, Rockefeller Center, where his office was that day. But it could just be due to a lack of an imagination. Yeah. Or it could be, you know.

1:55:18 If you read between the lines, this is his sort of tacit statement about it. You can read even further between the lines, too, on it. But that's kind of interesting. And the other thing, of course, is the whole Silverstein purchase and how he got that thing. Originally, Vornado was going to be able to get the World Trade Center lease. And interestingly enough, I think their financier was JPMorgan Chase.

1:55:46 which was Rockefeller's bank. At the last minute, they pulled out on some of the terms. We don't necessarily know if it was the financing or what, but they pulled out in March. And then the Port Authority went back to Silverstein properties and they wound up getting it. There's a whole bunch of other stuff that happened here. But if I'm going to reopen the investigation, the first thing that I want is I want to go back through all the forensics, which they never really did. They're going to have to go back to fresh kills.

1:56:15 and actually take a look at what's down there. And then they're probably going to have to talk to some of the Rockefellers and maybe, well, they're going to have to talk to the Silverstein family and understand what happened. Yep, I agree. Cousin Nick, go ahead. Yeah, I was just, you know, he mentioned the phone calls and as did you. And the contrived phone calls from the passengers on the planes,

1:56:49 I believe that those came from Westover Air Force Base in Massachusetts. I don't believe that they actually used the planes. There is video evidence, actually, that shows they were holograms. And it's really strange and really bizarre, but there is no explanation. Somebody filmed them. So that's the first thing.

1:57:14 I don't think those planes ever left Westover Air Force Base. If they actually left, they were empty and they were being flown remotely because the pilots have already said there's absolutely no way that those planes could have done what they did by human hands. So that's the first thing. The second thing is, is if they can bullshit a bunch of phone calls for, quote, passengers on the planes, they can absolutely bullshit.

1:57:43 the phone call from the 92nd floor. And there's no doubt in my mind that if anybody says, oh, the building's collapsing, right? That's pretty specific. If you're on the 92nd floor, which is above where the planes hit, if I recall, you're not collapsing. I don't believe that that was a phone call that somebody made from the building.

1:58:13 I just don't believe it because, you know, they're not going to use the term collapsing. At least I don't. Would you? I mean, that's a question. I mean, look, the audio forensics could wind up proving, I mean, it could wind up tilting against them. If it turns out that, you know, the phone call was placed, you know, from, you know, the port authority or from...

1:58:40 But, you know, Washington, D.C., things get very interesting very fast. Yeah, I agree. Miles, go ahead. I want to go back to having the public believe a new narrative besides the one that was put out there. My best friend grew up in Hell's Kitchen, and we've known each other for 40 years. So I can't bring the subject up.

1:59:13 two or three days into it, that it was BS. And we were talking about that. And I said, well, who do you think's doing this? And he goes, well, it's our government doing this to us. And I said, John, these are the same people that were involved in 9-11. And that was the end of the conversation. He went, no, that's not true. Our government would not do that to us. They wouldn't do that in New York. And I went, John,

1:59:43 They're doing it again to us. So also there's another video out there called Beyond Bravo 7. It's quite a bit longer, but you might want to watch that one too. Thanks, Carl. Sure. Southern, go ahead. I was down there after 9-11. I had to fly and see a client.

2:00:09 The chief medical officer got pulled in to help on the ground because he was down there when it happened. So he was pulled in to help out the firemen, the police officers. They had to be federal state employees, the way they were set up, to triage. And he took me as far as I could go. And it's nothing like you imagine on TV. I will never lose that vision of that moment when I saw.

2:00:40 But my question is, there is no way those planes can implode those buildings. They had to have charges set to implode. I have seen buildings come down where they're going to completely rebuild and they have to do them in an implosion type way because they got buildings on the other side. And that never, never made sense to me.

2:01:04 But I got to tell you, I got a little like shiver up the spine when they were showing Jeffrey Epstein's place. You saw the picture of Bill Clinton in the blue dress. And the next one was George Bush Jr. sitting on the floor looking like he was in the Oval Office playing blocks. And if you look at the blocks, it would build the Twin Towers. I know the Bushes were in financial trouble. That's why Iraq was so important.

2:01:34 and Dick Cheney with Halliburton, I believe our government was involved. And no one's been able to prove they weren't involved. And I believe that 100%. I went down every rabbit hole. For the grace of God, I had eight people that were supposed to be there. I own an executive search firm. I had four candidates that were supposed to be there for interviews.

2:02:00 What happened is two of them got stuck on the subway and the other two found out about it but couldn't call me because you couldn't call. You couldn't call out from New York City area. It just did a fast busy. And I had four, two of my employees had family working in the building and I had two other friends in those buildings. None of them were there. And it was one had a broken tooth.

2:02:31 And the other is he's at IBM that manages the like the federal, the state, the retirement funds and stuff. He was supposed to be there to negotiate. And his president called and said, I need you in White Plains because someone is sick and I need you to run that meeting. We can't. You're going to have to reschedule. And they should have been there. It just was freak accident. So they weren't there.

2:03:00 Just a little thing changed that caused a different domino effect. But I do believe our government was involved. And I think our country deserves to know that. We have totally, what 9-11 did to our country was astonishing. I couldn't believe how many people moved out of New York because our phones were ringing off the hook, looking for pathways to careers outside of New York City and the perimeter areas.

2:03:30 But at the end of the day, we as American citizens deserve to know. And all who lost family members, they should know. They should know. And I think we have that right. Because we don't trust our government. Trump's doing what he can to a point. But we have a government that doesn't work for us.

2:03:59 Through Colonel, I've now realized the CIA has never, ever worked for us, the American citizens. And I think we deserve answers, especially those who have lost family. This has to be on the table with Trump. Right. So I'm going to close with this. One of the people.

2:04:28 that came across my radar in the last two and a half years was Porter Goss. I've written quite a bit about him. Fascinating guy who ends up being in charge of the CIA. On 9-11, he, well,

2:04:55 If you go back through his history, he has a very interesting history. And how he got into Congress is also very interesting. And he was a co-sponsor of the Patriot Act. And obviously has a lot of intelligence connections.

2:05:22 War Hamster would appreciate the fact that he graduated from Yale. He was in a really weird secret society called Book and Snake. And he was part of a fraternity with William H.T. Bush, which is William Henry Trotter Bucky Bush, the youngest brother of former...

2:05:54 let's see, George H.W. Bush. And his connections to all of this is crazy. He was an ambassador appointed by Bush Senior, Director of National Intelligence. And he says that he was recruited by the CIA at Yale in his junior year.

2:06:22 So he's never not been in the CIA and he just so happens to be in Congress on 9-11 and co-sponsors the Patriot Act. So and then as a reward for having done such a great job, he gets appointed to be the director of the CIA. So, again, I want everything declassified.

2:06:52 So someone needs to explain to all of us how our government in a free and open society, cough, cough, would classify anything about a terror attack on the United States unless it implicates them. So because they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt now that we know that the CIA has sponsored terror attacks for the last.

2:07:23 70 some years since they began in 1948. And if you guys think for one second that the same organization that has created terror attacks and overthrown over 90 governments wouldn't do that here after they've experimented on us, after they've unknowingly drugged people, committed all kinds of heinous experiments on orphans.

2:07:52 y'all y'all have not learned anything um so they are definitely capable of doing it now what we have to do is look at what the evidence is as Illini um has mentioned and because they're definitely capable of doing it um their actions has killed millions of people three three thousand is a drop in the bucket compared to what they have done all over the world um so anyway we're gonna

2:08:23 Close it up with that. Happy note. So, again, tomorrow, we are going to be discussing a British Cold War think tank in the Institute, which is the Institute for the Study of Conflict. It'll make you chuckle. Not in a good way, though. All right.

2:08:54 See you then. Take care, everyone.

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Interdoc26 John F. Kennedy25 September 11 attacks25 United States24 Netherlands18 Operation Gladio18 World Trade Center18 West Germany18 Soviet Union14 CIA13 NATO12 France10 Kies van den Heuvel9 United Kingdom9 Charles de Gaulle8 China7 Israel7 Robert Kennedy assassination7 Switzerland7 BND6 Iran6 Italy6 Sweden6 Louis Eindhoven6 Belgium5 National Strategy Information Center5 Porter Goss5 Frank Barnett5 Kurt Weldon5 World Anti-Communist League4 Institute for the Study of Conflict4 Brian Cozier4 Philip Zelikow4 Allied Clandestine Committee4 Allen Dulles4 Vietnam4 O and I4 Reinhard Gehlen3 George H.W. Bush3 Mafia3

Claims made here

Interdoc front_for Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 3:04

“between members of the European Security and Intelligence Services, industrialists, and intellectuals concerning ongoing threat of communism. In other words, this is where they plotted Operation Gladi…”

Freedom and Liberty succeeded Committee International for Action of Society documented ▶ 14:28

“a necessary need for transnational coordination. In this sense, the initial moves of freedom and liberty with its decentralized network of national committees sharing ideas and information and campaig…”

Yves Guérin-Sérac founded Le Cercle host_asserted ▶ 15:53

“And remember, John Violet is La Circle, and that is another basically semi-secret society that is fascist and was operating behind the scenes in Europe with a lot of Americans on it to implement one w…”

Yves Guérin-Sérac founded Catholic Committee International Defense, Civilization, and Culture host_asserted ▶ 15:53

Charles de Gaulle founded Elysee Treaty documented ▶ 17:18

“And then you had the Treaty of Rome in 1952, and the Germans were looking for full recognition, while the French wanted to consolidate a Franco-German axis at the heart of post-war Europe for economic…”

Konrad Adenauer founded Elysee Treaty documented ▶ 17:18

Konrad Adenauer member_of West Germany documented ▶ 17:44

“signed by Konrad Adenauer, who was the first chancellor of Germany, and Charles de Gaulle in January of 1963. Significantly, just over two weeks before the inter-doc agreement was sealed at The Hague.…”

Charles de Gaulle member_of France documented ▶ 17:44

United Kingdom overthrew Iran documented ▶ 19:06

“In 1953, it was British and the United States that overthrew Iran using, quote unquote, NATO and a full onslaught of psychological operations inside of Iran. So the fact that this author thinks that t…”

United States overthrew Iran documented ▶ 19:06

Louis Eindhoven headed BVD documented ▶ 23:01

“by the head of the Dutch Government's Intelligence Bureau, Lieutenant Colonel J.M. Summers. O, on the other hand, was a private initiative of Louis Eindhoven, E-I-N-T-H-O-V-E-N, an influential former …”

Louis Eindhoven founded OI documented ▶ 23:01

Louis Eindhoven funded Interdoc documented ▶ 24:32

“Since it has also been tasked with psychological warfare, and Eindhoven himself was a driving force behind the creation of Interdoc and the situating of its headquarters at the Hague, the links betwee…”

Kies van den Heuvel headed Interdoc documented ▶ 26:37

“The Interdak headquarters was led by a Dutch director, former BBD officer, Kies van den Heuvel. So it's V-A-N-D-E-N-H-E-U-V-E-L. With Eindhoven in the background and a German deputy director supportin…”

Reinhard Gehlen member_of BND documented ▶ 26:59

“In the beginning, the share of the funding was set as a 4 to 1, with the larger amount coming from the Federal Intelligence Organization, the German BND, which is Reinhard Gehlen. But in 1969, the Ger…”

BND funded Interdoc documented ▶ 26:59

West Germany secretly_owned Crypto AG documented ▶ 27:30

“The CIA was controlling Reinhard Galen. And keep in mind, through all of this, Crypto AG was created, bought, paid for, put behind a fake company in Switzerland, but jointly owned by Germany and the U…”

United States secretly_owned Crypto AG documented ▶ 27:30

Allen Dulles recruited Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 27:59

“especially in the intelligence area. So yes, we jointly owned a company, a fake company that had backdoors built into encryptions that was sold to over 120 countries around the world. So with the Nazi…”

Royal Dutch Shell funded Institute for the Study of Conflict documented ▶ 32:59

“Crozier, C-R-O-Z-I-E-R, his organization was called the Institute for the Study of Conflict in the 1960s. The abandonment of the National Institute model at the end of 1965 created a more fluid struct…”

Peter Sager headed Ost Institute of Bern documented ▶ 33:27

“as a distribution point and network facilitator for all of its partners. With Interdoc serving as a kind of a contractor, they were utilized by whichever parties needed anti-communist expertise and su…”

Kies van den Heuvel appointed Allen Dulles documented ▶ 38:24

“the principles of fascism. One of the aspects of the interdoc story is a relationship with the U.S. The Dutch were from the beginning adamant that the Americans should be part of the setup. Eindhoven …”

Allen Dulles removed_from_power Bay of Pigs documented ▶ 38:59

“Alan Dulles didn't want to provide CIA funds. No, he didn't. But they had all of the covert funding from drug sales, and they very much did help this entire network. Interdoc could have been regarded …”

Joseph Coors funded National Strategy Information Center documented ▶ 41:56

“NSIC was founded in 1962 as an offshoot of the Institute of American Strategy, and its financial backers was none other than the beer giant Joseph Coors, C-O-O-R-S, and Richard Mellon Scape, S-C-A-I-F…”

Richard Mellon Scaife funded National Strategy Information Center documented ▶ 41:56

National Strategy Information Center founded Institute for the Study of Conflict documented ▶ 41:56

Scaife Foundation funded Institute for the Study of Conflict documented ▶ 42:58

“Instead, a new constellation of forces arose that seemed to place Interdoc at a disadvantage. From 67 to 68, Barnett linked up with Brian Cozier, C-R-O-Z-I-E-R, and laid the path for Cozier's Institut…”

Kies van den Heuvel member_of World Anti-Communist League documented ▶ 43:54

“From 1967 onward, it was not Barnett, but Crosby Kelly, the public relations expert with Linton Industries, L-I-T-T-O-N, who was also a member of Le Cercle at the time. In the same year, the World Ant…”

BND removed_from_power Willy Brandt documented ▶ 45:47

“Involvement was dramatically curtailed due to the election of Willy Brandt, B-R-A-N-D-T, and the SPD party. They were generally suspicious of the BND activities and was not going to allow any dirty tr…”

Brian Cozier removed_from_power National Strategy Information Center documented ▶ 47:46

“in Winchester in November 1976 as a result of this. Cozier used the event to call for more effective coordination against anti-communist organizations and demanded a realignment that placed Interdoc b…”

Donald Rumsfeld headed Pentagon documented ▶ 48:12

“Hosby Kelly was still operating as an inter-doc link man, though, and one more attempt was made via Kenneth Adelman, A-D-E-L-M-A-N, at the time with the Pentagon's Army Review Board Agency and its adv…”

Kenneth Adelman member_of Pentagon documented ▶ 48:12

American Chamber of Commerce in Italy funded Foundation for Solidarity and Alliance Netherlands and the U.S. documented ▶ 49:10

“to establish a sort of pressure group to keep the Americans in line with Europe. Since the 1970s, saw serious debate in the U.S. Congress concerning the continuing cost of leaving military forces in E…”

Heineken funded Foundation for Solidarity and Alliance Netherlands and the U.S. documented ▶ 49:10

Yves Guérin-Sérac funded Academy Europe Science Politics documented ▶ 50:40

“Do we want that? Do we want to keep Russia as the boogeyman? Another organization called AESP, which was based in Brussels, and it was a creation of the Belgian Floremond Damon. I'm going to spell the…”

Floremond Damman founded Academy Europe Science Politics documented ▶ 50:40

Marius Rupert headed O and I documented ▶ 52:06

“During 67 through 75, O.I. was overseen by Marius Rupert, R-U-P-P-E-R-T. He was a Protestant politician and advisor to the royal house, but his successor as the head of O. was none other than Van Den …”

Theo Jan van Leer succeeded Marius Rupert documented ▶ 52:06

William Colby founded Operation Gladio documented ▶ 53:05

“And in the 1970s, part of the O budget marked for psychological warfare was redirected to interdoc operations, meaning basically it's a fluid organization. It is noteworthy that William Colby became C…”

Karl Armfelt headed Operation Gladio documented ▶ 53:33

“In the 1950s, there was a very close relationship as a result of that. Van den Hovel's associate, Karl Armfelt, in Belgium and the Netherlands during the 1970s and 80s, was running anti-communist disi…”

General Hasselman headed O and I documented ▶ 54:05

“The official history of the Stay Behind programs in the Netherlands, written by a former head of BVD's archive, refers to a set of tasks for O, agreed by the head of the Dutch Chiefs of Staff, General…”

Marius Rupert spied_on Oop Den Ewell documented ▶ 54:35

“and to undermine that of the enemy. And the enemy was domestic. Care should be taken, however. Rupert had insisted to the incoming Labor Minister, President Oop Den Ewell, in 1973, that O did not get …”

Kies van den Heuvel spied_on British Reserve Forces Association documented ▶ 55:35

“had the funds to travel all over the world, including Moscow, several times during the 1970s. What can be confirmed is that from the beginning of the 70s, van den Heuvel did have contact with counter-…”

Kies van den Heuvel spied_on American Society for Industrial and National Security documented ▶ 55:35

Kies van den Heuvel spied_on Thomas Gobert documented ▶ 55:35

Kermit Roosevelt overthrew Mohammad Mosaddegh host_asserted ▶ 1:03:35

“So you had instances, and the one that sticks out the clearest to me is when BP ran aground with Mosaddegh in Iran and got kicked out of the country because they tried to coup him and had to come hat …”

Standard Oil laundered_money_for Iran host_asserted ▶ 1:04:03

“And as a result of that, hat in hand request for assistance because they weren't allowed back in Iran, the UK that is, standard oil, not the United States. Even though the CIA resources, UNI's money, …”

Galitzin founded New Lives for Old caller_asserted ▶ 1:05:03

“dynamic that plays out. Ron, go ahead. I wanted to say, yesterday I meant to, I ran out of time. I asked you a question about the Zionist thing, but there was another thing that I wanted to ask you. A…”

Ihor Kolomoisky installed Volodymyr Zelensky host_asserted ▶ 1:12:15

“backing Zelensky right you've got Ihor Kolomoisky is the one that hired the entire Azov battalion to go attack the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region and he at the same time is creating an actor to…”

Ihor Kolomoisky funded Azov Battalion host_asserted ▶ 1:12:15

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change AIPAC host_asserted ▶ 1:19:44

“by focusing on just one aspect of all the stuff that he did. AIPAC registration under FARA was a drop in the bucket to setting Algeria free, to supporting Sukarno in Indonesia and forestalling hundred…”

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Algeria host_asserted ▶ 1:19:44

CIA targeted_for_regime_change AIPAC host_asserted ▶ 1:19:44

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 1:19:44

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 1:19:44

CIA assassinated John F. Kennedy host_asserted ▶ 1:21:14

“the major like starting lineup of reasons that JFK was assassinated by the CIA. And it just noticed particularly how the fake left never, ever mentions any of them and look at what the fit, the left i…”

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Egypt host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

“before and after caused by Dallas. Congo, genocide of 6 million, before and after caused by Dallas. Brazil coup, before and after caused by Dallas. Yes, absolutely. Nuclear Israel caused by Dallas. Bu…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Congo host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Brazil host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Israel host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Egypt host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Brazil host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Congo host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Israel host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Saudi Arabia host_asserted ▶ 1:21:44

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Saudi Arabia host_asserted ▶ 1:22:12

“And so Saudi Arabia and Rockefellers could keep all the oil money. And that's Dallas, right? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are you saying Dulles or Dallas? Well, both. I was saying Dallas as in the assas…”

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change United States host_asserted ▶ 1:22:41

“JFK had reversed the NATO plans for Nukes in West Germany. He had made the June 10th speech, you know, basically ending the cold, calling for the Cold War to be ended. He was, you know, making detente…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change United States host_asserted ▶ 1:22:41

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 1:22:41

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change West Germany host_asserted ▶ 1:22:41

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Cuba host_asserted ▶ 1:23:11

“for the military-industrial complex inside the United States. He was literally having detente with Fidel Castro at the very second of his assassination with the French diplomat Jean Daniel being sent …”

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Joint Chiefs of Staff host_asserted ▶ 1:23:31

“Cuba policy or on anything else. JFK was ending the Vietnam War, literally ending it. There's no question about that. If you read all seven of the scholarly monographs published since the Assassinatio…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Joint Chiefs of Staff host_asserted ▶ 1:23:31

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 1:23:31

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:25:27

“When it's overlapping everything and to erase that clouds everything and helps the left gatekeepers cover up the CIA coup of late 1963. So the the bravery of JFK to stand up against that gristmill can…”

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Lyman Lemnitzer host_asserted ▶ 1:27:49

“It took me about 15 minutes. I was just dumbfounded because he is describing Operation Gladio. He knew it to be true. There is no doubt in my mind. Now, do I think he knew it was being ran out of NATO…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:27:49

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Lyman Lemnitzer host_asserted ▶ 1:27:49

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:27:49

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Charles de Gaulle book_quoted ▶ 1:31:45

“I know you've read called The Devil's Chessboard, wherein JFK, you know, attempts to call up Charles de Gaulle and says, yo, comma, Chuck, these, you know, quote, my CIA is helping your, quote, OAS tr…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Charles de Gaulle book_quoted ▶ 1:31:45

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Kwame Nkrumah host_asserted ▶ 1:32:13

“And he is saying that to Charles DeGaulle. And, you know, Charles DeGaulle and also Kwame Naruma were extremely clear on their understanding that the CIA had killed JFK. Both of them had had a little …”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:33:40

“about presidents later as the toboggan gets more and more momentum, you know? But I think that's actually, hold on a second. I think that's actually the reason why Robert Kennedy was taking on the maf…”

John F. Kennedy targeted_for_regime_change Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:33:40

Philip Zelikow headed 9/11 Commission host_asserted ▶ 1:53:20

“Number one, Philip Zelikow, he's in charge of the 9-11 staff. There's an interesting segment of this video that I've posted. If you go a couple of things down from my 9-11 revisited thing, there's a s…”

Sam Kasperson member_of 9/11 Commission host_asserted ▶ 1:53:20

Sam Kasperson member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 1:53:49

“kid in his 20s at the time. He just came from a couple of years of Sullivan and Cromwell. It's clear that he's in charge of the hearing and not, you know, George Del Grosso, who's actually, you know, …”

Sam Kasperson directed George Del Grosso host_asserted ▶ 1:53:49

David Rockefeller authored Rise and Resign host_asserted ▶ 1:54:19

“And then there's a couple of – there's an interesting interview from David Rockefeller of All People with a Telegram. And he's trying to pitch his new book, Memoirs, which does talk a little bit about…”

JPMorgan Chase financed_via Vornado host_asserted ▶ 1:55:18

“If you read between the lines, this is his sort of tacit statement about it. You can read even further between the lines, too, on it. But that's kind of interesting. And the other thing, of course, is…”

Port Authority appointed Larry Silverstein host_asserted ▶ 1:55:46

“which was Rockefeller's bank. At the last minute, they pulled out on some of the terms. We don't necessarily know if it was the financing or what, but they pulled out in March. And then the Port Autho…”

Porter Goss member_of Book and Snake host_asserted ▶ 2:05:22

“War Hamster would appreciate the fact that he graduated from Yale. He was in a really weird secret society called Book and Snake. And he was part of a fraternity with William H.T. Bush, which is Willi…”

William H. Tucker Bush member_of Yale University host_asserted ▶ 2:05:22

Porter Goss member_of Yale University host_asserted ▶ 2:05:22

George H.W. Bush appointed Porter Goss host_asserted ▶ 2:05:54

“let's see, George H.W. Bush. And his connections to all of this is crazy. He was an ambassador appointed by Bush Senior, Director of National Intelligence. And he says that he was recruited by the CIA…”