The Colonel’s Corner The Mafia CIA & George Bush Part 14

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0:00 How are you today, Bridget? Wonderful. Can't complain. And you? I'm awesome. All the Zionist nutcases are out. Absolutely. Holy crap. Your show last night on SITREP was absolutely awesome. And the ending, though, absolutely got me and cracked me up beyond, I mean, with Alpha and whatnot. That was just really funny. It is.

0:32 Very interesting, but very educational at the same time from the perspective that you can talk to somebody for a year and a half about tactics and then still not be able to apply them to modern day. Everybody's got a gift, and everybody's gift is not the same. Yeah. You know, and when you two were debating, we'll say, different facts,

1:02 You know, there are good things. We weren't debating facts. He didn't have any facts. His was all, this is what I think is going on. Yeah. But go ahead. His was all theory. But, okay. But those are good things because I've always found that sometimes pushback on what you know to be fact makes you sharper. Oh, absolutely. That's why I love debating people.

1:32 Absolutely. Right. And, and so that's always awesome. And it was good to see it, you know, and in today's environment, it's good. A good example also for people to see that you can disagree with somebody without killing them. Well, even wanting to kill them. Okay. And I, and I don't, I love them to death. I mean, they literally asked me five minutes before the show, if I would go on, I will do anything for those two. I love them to death.

2:01 They held together really well. Yes. And the open conversation allows people to understand. My expectation is not ever that everybody's going to agree on information that we don't have concrete evidence of today. But it is also very important that you acknowledge what is fact and what you think.

2:30 And that's why I pushed back on him when he got into the speculation. Well, here's what I think's going on. Okay, as long as you know that it's not based at all on facts, go ahead. And that's very important because what he believes is going on is contrary to patterns. And you're free to do that. You just have to recognize and acknowledge to everybody that

2:59 what you're stepping out on is like a glass ledge because it's not propped up either with historical facts or the facts as we know them. So yeah, I love it. And I've always found, as a matter of fact, one of my best, best, best friends, Colonel John Reed, who I love to death. The very first time I ever met him, and I may have told you guys this story.

3:28 I was a major at the Pentagon. He was a Lieutenant Colonel. I did not know at the time. So I just walk into a room. It's the ops area where everybody in there are pilots. Now, of course, I know a lot about aircraft operations in the Air Force because I was in maintenance and spent eight years on a flight line. So I'm not...

3:55 the normal support nerd that just walks into a conversation about air ops. So he had spent some time in the reserve and came back on active duty. And he was talking about United Airlines. And again, because I'm familiar with, I worked for a civilian airline as well. Mine just happened to be affiliated with the CIA, but whatever.

4:19 He was talking about the, at the time, there was massive union unrest at United, which was an employee-owned company. So you had the flight, whatever you call them, stewardesses in one union, the maintenance in another union, and the pilots in another union. And of course, he was talking from a pilot's perspective about, you know,

4:49 shitting on everybody else, basically. And so, you know, I'm new. I'm just standing there listening to him. And when he got done, because all the rest of the people had not ever flown for a civilian airline, they were still on active duty with no breaks. I looked at him and I said, you know what I just heard you say? That you guys all own that company and you're perfectly fine with shitting on the people who serve you food.

5:17 and keep your aircraft flying in the air. Does that make any sense to you at all? And so, of course, we got into a very long conversation, mine from the maintenance perspective and his from the pilot perspective. And I loved it. I ate it up. He was Catholic. I'm Protestant. We had tons of conversations about religion in general.

5:44 And I learned more from those debating sessions with him, not only about stuff that I believe that wasn't true, but more commitment to the stuff that I did know and well, and could articulate it and confirm that my belief system. So I want some, he wants some, and still to this day.

6:11 I talked to him at least once a week. He is my go-to guy. Later on, I found out that this guy's literally, from an Air Force perspective, a stud. Like, holy crap. So we got to be best friends at the Pentagon. We were stationed together at Randolph. And I got to know his family. His wife babysat my kids when we were at Randolph. And just...

6:38 wonderful people but he asked me when he was meeting his colonel's board um to do his um in the air force you have to draft your own promotion recommendation form and give it to your boss they wordsmith it and then send it in and so

6:54 He asked me to draft his promotion recommendation, which from a personnel officer is a high recommendation. So he brought his record down to me and I'm thumbing through his record and I'm going, holy shit. So he's an academy grad and he flew F-4s initially towards the end of Vietnam. And then he went into F-15s.

7:23 And not only was he like an amazing F-15, like top gun level F-15 guy, but he was one of the mission commanders in Desert Storm. As a matter of fact, for those of you who are on Rumble, this picture right here, this is him. This is him coming back. It's an official piece of Air Force art, a huge big one, like one that takes up this entire wall.

7:52 of him hanging in the UCOM command building over in Germany. That was after one of his first missions flying in Desert Storm. And so like literally a rock star. And he flew, there's a very elite exchange program with Canada where one of our elite pilots will go fly with their version of the Thunderbirds. They're called the Snow...

8:20 whatever it is. And they fly F-18s, not F-15s. F-15s are much better playing than an F-18. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. But one of the first years Canada came to the Air Force version of Top Gun called William Tell, John came with the Canada team and flew against his former squadron mates in their F-15s.

8:49 And in the final series of competitions, flying an F-18, he outflew every single one of his F-15 brethren. So he's in an inferior plane and still kicked their ass. And so again, I'm reading through his record and I'm going, holy shit, I can't believe I was so mean to this guy. I could not believe.

9:18 just literally who he was. He's a rock star from, and I finally, when I visited their house in Nevada, because he didn't have his trophy with him in San Antonio. And of course he didn't have it with him because it's, come to find out it's as tall as I am. It's this monster big William Tell trophy. And so I did finally get to see that, but he is literally one of my best friends. And we argue all the time.

9:47 or debate, whatever you want to call it. And we do so and we both end up kind of collectively agreeing to certain aspects of the other one's point of view. But it's always good natured and it's always good to do that because it solidifies your thought process, especially in this new role that I find myself in.

10:16 of what exactly is going on. And so anyway, that's my personal story of the day. So let's get into our lesson today. All right. It also allows me to take on the Zionist that don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about and enjoy the hell out of it. So, and an occasional Marine every once in a while, like last night. All right. Amen. Yeah. Amen.

10:48 Let's see. I don't guess. I'm going to go ahead and give Stellar the co-host because in case you get bumped, Bridget, I don't guess SR is here. All right. No, I think today he works. Thank you. Okay, sure. All right. Chapter 15. Nobody hands you a contract. This chapter begins in July 1983 when someone drove William LeMaster's Lincoln Continental.

11:14 across a bridge in a small town in Lexington, Missouri, just east of Kansas City, then made a U-turn, came back across the bridge, gaining speed, until the car crashed into a concrete foundation war memorial. There was an explosion and fire, and the driver's body was burned beyond recognition. No autopsy was performed, and the remains were quickly cremated. The body was identified.

11:45 as William LeMaster, who had been seen leaving a party in his Lincoln shortly before the crash. One of the primary items used to identify him was a golf bag in the trunk. Many questions went unanswered, but whether his demise was an accident, suicide, homicide, or even fate, LeMaster had been in big trouble, caught in a vice between federal investigators, the mafia, and the CIA.

12:15 LeMasters was not a bookie for the mob or a double agent for the CIA. He was a banker, a well-respected banker who was brought in to run a tiny $8 million in asset, Indian Springs State Bank. The bank had languished in a strip mall center between Wig City and Athlete's Foot on the Kansas side of the border. In early 1980,

12:42 The bank owners hired LeMaster from his banking job in Lexington to try to make something of Indian Springs State Bank. LeMaster decided after he took over the bank that he could be a rainmaker, someone that would bring in big deposits and big borrowers for the bank. So in 81, he hired Anthony Russo, R-U-S-S-O. He was a former lawyer in Kansas City.

13:13 He brought in depositors. He brought in borrowers. He also brought in a CIA asset and the mafia. One of the borrowers at Indian Springs was Carmen Civella, C-I-V-E-L-L-A. He was the son of Kansas City's mafia boss, Carl Civella. The $300,000 that Carmen borrowed on an Italian restaurant in Kansas City was still owed to Indian Springs.

13:43 when the bank failed. Another mob borrower was Carl Russo, a bag man for the Savella family who carried the cash skim from Tropicana Casino in Los Angeles to mafia families in Kansas City and Chicago. The two Carls were convicted in 1983 of skimming operations. Morris Schenker, the mob lawyer from St. Louis,

14:08 guaranteed a $200,000 loan from Indian Springs to his Dunes Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. A Schinker associate from Las Vegas, J. Finn, F-I-H-N, was also a borrower at Indian Springs. On the deposit side, at least 12 people with ties to organized crime had accounts at Indian Springs, including Joseph, Joey Doves,

14:38 Apuca, A-I-U-P-A, a Chicago mob boss who had been brought in by Anthony Russo. Mario Renda and his brokered deposits were also brought in by Russo. Renda brokered more than $6 million into the little bank in exchange for loans to his straw borrowers of more than $5,000.

15:09 Brokered deposits are where someone makes a deposit and then dictates who gets to borrow that money. It's a form of money laundering. These loans were not repaid and more than anything contributed to the failure of Indian Springs Bank in January of 1984. No one seems to know how LeMaster got together with Russo or why he brought the mob associates into Indian Springs.

15:42 But LeMaster had to know about one thing in Russo's past. In 1974, Russo had been convicted of conspiracy to promote bribery and interstate prostitution. He spent 16 months in prison for the conviction. He had to surrender his law license. Before he stopped practicing law, he had represented the Savella family in criminal court. Incredibly, the FDIC board

16:14 in Washington, approved Russo's employment by the bank, despite his felony conviction, mob connections, and a recommendation by the FDIC's regional office not to do it. The second biggest borrower at Indian Springs, next to Renda's linked financing straw men, were also brought in by Russo, Farhad Azima.

16:45 and his companies, including Global International Airways. The affairs and fate of these people and institutions are intertwined. When Global International Airways filed for bankruptcy in 1983, Azizma and his companies had almost $600,000 in unpaid loans in the Indian Springs, which then failed three months later. Although the final unpaid debt by Global

17:14 was eventually whittled down to about $60,000 after offsets and adjustments. Azizma and Global certainly didn't contribute to the failure. That was according to Michael Manning, a private Kansas City attorney hired by the FDIC to investigate in Indian Springs. Manning was one of the few investigators and prosecutors most responsible for bringing Brenda to justice. Between 81 and 84,

17:46 Azizma and his affiliated companies borrowed close to $2 million from Indian Springs, which was a gross violation of lending limits to any one borrower, which at Indian Springs was half a million. So they broke their own rules, thanks to LeMaster. Also, Azizma and Global racked up large unsecured overdrafts on their accounts.

18:17 From April 82 to March 83, the overdrafts averaged $150,000 a day. Federal examiners expressed concern about the loan limits and the overdrafts. You think? We'd have been in jail. These problems were compounded by the connections and conflicts of interest that existed among Azima, Global, and Indian Springs.

18:48 For example, Azizma was elected a member of the Indian Springs Board of Directors in 82 when he became the fourth largest stockholder with almost 10% of the stock. He claimed later that he lost all of his $400,000 investment in the bank stock when it failed. But it is likely that he borrowed this money from another financial institution and lost nothing.

19:13 When Azizma was asked about the large overdrafts that Global had at Indian Springs, he replied, oh, I don't get involved in that level of detail in my business. I have no idea what that's about. The company had credit lines and authorized overdrafts. The statement is contradicted by Azizma's claim that as an Indian Springs board member, he opposed large loans to Renda's straw borrowers.

19:42 on property in Hawaii, for example. He claimed he warned the bank against being involved in that type of thing. But his statement was, I was a minority stockholder and no one paid attention to him. It's hard to believe that William LeMaster didn't heed Azizma's advice as a director and a big stockholder and borrower at his bank. In addition, LeMaster was an advisory director.

20:11 on Azizma's company, Global International Airway. He had also borrowed more than $55,000 from Indian Springs to buy the stock in Global. In 1982, LeMaster borrowed $50,000 from Azizma personally and never repaid it. Anthony Russo, too, was an advisor at Global, in addition to being a financial consultant for the company.

20:41 One of his recommendations was that Global buy gasoline from Morris Shanker's associate, Jay Finn. Russo testified in one of his tax fraud trials that he had received a commission for every gallon of gas sold to Global. I mean, it's an airline, so they use a lot of gas. Which in turn had a contract to fly junkets of gamblers from Shanker's Dunes Hotel and Casino.

21:08 Russo also borrowed more than $55,000 from Indian Springs to buy his global stock. He said he bought the stock in the name of his children and later sold it back to Azizma. Anthony Russo's brother-in-law worked at Global as well. He was an attorney for both Azizma and Global. Howard Lay was brought in as an attorney for Indian Springs. He withdrew when Global

21:37 filed bankruptcy in 83, owing $280,000 in unsecured loans to Indian Springs. At the time, Global had $145,000 of CDs at Indian Springs and was later allowed to offset those deposits against loans owed. After Indian Springs failed, January 1984, Azizma and some of his fellow board members filed a lawsuit against Renda.

22:07 and his financial cohorts for defrauding Indian Springs. The FDIC got an injunction against the lawsuit and then sued Azizma Russo and the directors for fraud and negligence in the failure of the bank. This lawsuit was settled out of court with unknown payments from the directors. So in other words, the FDIC that allowed it to happen basically thwarted the lawsuit so they could take it over.

22:37 and do whatever they wanted with it. Azizma was born in 1942 in Iran to a prominent wealthy family that had close ties to the Pavlovi family. His father, Yusuf, a lawyer in Iranian Supreme Court justice. In 1959, Azizma traveled to the U.S. to attend school, beginning at Chanute.

23:06 because it didn't have an English language proficiency requirement and eventually graduated from William Jewell College in Liberty, Missouri in 1968. Azizma became involved in various businesses in Kansas City with family members, including a restaurant, and you'll never guess, an export-import company and a travel agency. That's weird.

23:36 That sounds like a genter press. Among other ventures, he had also been arranging for shipment of live cattle to Iran. He decided to go into the cattle shipping business for himself. And in 1977, he incorporated Global International Airways and started a multimillion dollar, it was started with a multimillion dollar loan from Commercial Credit Corporation.

24:05 And he bought a Boeing 707. But his business ran into trouble in 1979 when the Shah was overthrown. Shipping cattle to Iran was out. So he took an Iranian banker, Mansour Raznazvab, as his partner and tried to break away into the charter business. At the apex in the 1980s, Global was one of the largest private air carriers in the world.

24:34 They had 17 707s, two 727s, and one 747. There was many successes and he was helped along by none other than the U.S. government. One of Global's big first contracts hauling military equipment to Egypt for the Egyptian American Transport and Services Corporation, which is ETSCO. We came across ETSCO in Operation Gladio.

25:05 multiple times because it's infiltrated with CIA. Azizma told the Kansas City Star that Eatsco's contract accounted for more than half of their cargo. Eatsco, as previously noted in this book, had a connection to Herman Beebe, the mafia guy, commercial helicopters. It was the company owned by former CIA officer Thomas Clines and

25:40 Hussein Salam, an Egyptian. Ex-CIA operative Edwin Wilson put up Klein's $500,000 as the initial capital investment in ITSCO. Former CIA Associate Deputy Director of Operations, the covert side, Ted Shackley, according to his Iran-Contra testimony, acknowledged that he did consulting work for ITSCO.

26:11 And during that time, he dealt specifically with Klein's and Salam. Shackley, along with Salam's brother, an oil geologist, were also contemplating an oil venture. But according to Shackley, nothing came of it. Azizma has said that Salam, a former Egyptian intelligence officer, was his friend. Salam was also a friend of Edwin Wilson's. But Azizma said he didn't know Wilson and had never done business with him.

26:39 That's probably around the time they were framing Edwin Wilson and he was going to jail. Azizma added that Global International Airways was not implicated in any criminal activities with ETSCO because I don't know how it wouldn't have been because the entire ETSCO was a criminal organization. Just saying. ETSCO was eventually fined $3 million for overbilling the Pentagon on $8 million worth of freight cost.

27:10 So basically, they were doubling the cost and pocketing the profit of our money. And they did that a lot. Also fined was Air Freight International, a Baltimore freight forwarding company used by Eatsco a lot. Air Freight International, or AFI, hired Global to do air shipping. Another Global customer was...

27:37 the Department of Defense, which contracted with Azizma Company to provide military airlift of military passengers. One such contract was for $2.7 million beginning in 1983, just days before Global filed bankruptcy and continued through September 1984. And Global stated in its bankruptcy papers that it had at least an additional $9 million.

28:05 and air mobility command contracts. Another Azizma company, Capital Air Inc., was located in Smyrna, Tennessee. It had won a $5.5 million mobility air command contract for long-range international air transportation in August 1982. Azizma placed Capital Air into bankruptcy two years later.

28:34 Global's bankruptcy papers show that the Department of Defense owed Global $100,000 at the time it filed for Chapter 11. But they also show that Global owed the DOD almost $400,000. But they don't say why. In June of 1986, there was a letter from the Air Force Accounting Division to Global that stated Global might have to pay $18,000.

29:02 which represented an invoice from the German Federal Military of Defense for aviation fuel issued to Global during an Air Force exercise. The letter didn't identify the nature of the exercise, but it took place in the summer of 1984. Several people who knew Azizma said that he had good connections with the Reagan administration's Frank Van Geiso.

29:30 who flew 707s for Global for four years. Anytime we had a little problem with the feds, we just called him. Azima has refused to say how much money he contributed to Republican candidates. That is not information I prefer to discuss, he said. He made his first campaign contribution to the Republican Party in 1983, just three days before Global filed bankruptcy. The FEC records show that from 83 to 88,

29:59 He contributed almost $55,000 to Republican candidates and $15,000 to Democrats. From 84 to 86, he contributed $27,000 to a presidential dinner committee, which was also called the Republican Senate House Dinner Committee. This dinner is an annual event in which the president speaks. Gary Koops.

30:27 A spokesman for the RNC told the Houston Post, it's a fairly large event. You know, there's no way we could know who all's there. Coop said that he is sure that President Reagan attended the 1986 dinner. Vice President Bush probably attended too, according to him. So the dates of the Federal Election Commission records shows a contribution just before

31:01 Azizma's scheduled testimony in Anthony Russo's tax fraud case. In the first weeks of July of that same year, a Boeing 707 owned by Azizma and his wife Linda was used to ship 23 tons of arms to Iran as part of the secret Iran Contra shipment. The 707, which had previously been owned by Global, was leased to...

31:31 Race Aviation, which was owned by Azizma's brother, Farzan. Azizma denied having anything to do with the race or the shipment of arms to Iran. However, on March 7th, 1986, he received a letter from Farzan, his brother, regarding the lease of the 707. Azizma was told, your continuous support is of utmost importance to the company as well as the undersigned.

32:03 Global's bankruptcy filings show that Farzan, the brother, was a Global employee, and on March 15, 1985, Race Aviation paid $400 to Global for office rent. So it's basically the same company. They just created another name. Farhad hides behind his brother a lot, one federal prosecutor said, when the Iran-Contra scandal broke in November 1986.

32:36 was mentioned specifically by Iranian Parliament Speaker Ali Akbar Hasmini Rafsanjani as an arms dealer who the Reagan administration knew was selling arms to Iran. Farzan was referred to by Rafsanjani as this counter-revolutionary who is now a fugitive and who had been helping us with arms deals on occasion when he traveled to Iran.

33:04 There's no getting out of that. Azizma denied any connection to the Iran-Contra scandal, saying that he had been thoroughly investigated and quote-unquote cleared. But when he was asked if he knew William Casey, who was the director of the CIA during Iran-Contra, he replied, he's dead, it's academic. Move on. An interesting sidebar is that Global International Airways, an aviation leasing group,

33:36 the main company that belonged to Azizma, borrowed about $8 million between 84 and 88 from Utica National Bank and Trust in Tulsa, Oklahoma, using several airplanes as collateral. The head of Utica National Bank was Victor Thompson, the father of Robert Thompson, who was the aide to Vice President George Bush. Are you following?

34:07 George Bush's aide, son, was the head of Utica National Bank. And this guy that's basically working for the CIA is borrowing money from the son, whose dad is the aide, to George Bush. Robert Thompson gained notoriety in the summer of 1990 as the lobbyist who helped James fail by Blue Bonnet Savings.

34:44 A combination of 15 failed Texas savings and loan in Southwest plans bailout. Fail, whose insurance company pleaded guilty to fraud in Alabama in 1976, put up $1,000 of his own money, borrowed $70 million to buy this clump of savings and loans, and got $1.85 billion in federal subsidies as a result.

35:13 another milking job of the American taxpayers. About $35 million of Fales' borrowed money came from ICH Corporation, which is a Kentucky insurance company that at one time tried to buy Southmark, the real estate dumping ground for the mafia in Texas. Azizma had other connections to the Reagan-Bush administration, and they lead to some interesting characters.

35:41 During Anthony Russo's trial for tax income fraud in 1986, Russo testified that in 1982, he received $25,000 from Global for accompanying the dictator of Liberia, Samuel Doe, on a trip. Well, you all met Farhad Azima. He was the chairman of the board of Global Airlines. He also came into Indian Springs Bank as a shareholder. His airline was hired by the United States government.

36:10 to fly the president of Liberia, which was a new government and its cabinet around the world on a Goodwill tour. And they hired criminals to do it. That's when Liberia had had a change of regimes. And remember, Liberia is the colony that we set up after the Civil War to ship back blacks that wanted to go back to Africa.

36:38 wanted to keep control of Liberia and we have over time. And so we were afraid this guy wasn't going to be one of our friends. So we did a goodwill tour around the world, all expense paid by you and I. The U.S., quote, the U.S. has supported that country over the years. And about in 1981, which was actually 80, they had a coup.

37:05 Sergeant Doe, who was a sergeant in the Liberian Army, overthrew the government. The government was backed by our CIA. And when the Revolutionary Coup occurred, the United States then wanted to become friendly with the new government. They wanted to continue to have control over Liberia. Unquote. So they hired Farad's Airline Global to take Sergeant Doe, his entire cabinet, around the world. It was at that time.

37:39 I was head of the bank and I had to check with Mr. LeMaster, who was the president. And he covered for me. And I took the trip around the world and we went all around the world with the president and his cabinet. And the president and I became friends. And I would introduce them and kind of act like an ambassador. The CIA was, of course, extremely interested in maintaining secret satellite tracking stations that they had set up in Liberia.

38:09 after the Doe coup. As reported earlier, CIA agent Robert Sensei testified that he worked with Clint Murchison Jr. on a CIA project to try to replace the Liberian stations. That guy just keeps coming up. When I asked Anthony Russo if the Doe trip was sponsored by the CIA, Russo said, your guess is as good as mine. Well,

38:39 The author's guess was that the CIA, if they didn't sponsor it, at least knew about it. When the author worked at the Houston Post and asked Azima during a telephone conversation to London on September 22nd, 1989, whether Global ever did any work for the CIA, he replied this, quote, I don't recall. I don't recall. Nobody came on, walked with a contract and handed it to you.

39:10 carried a card to do business. No, each and every company does business with, you know, military airlift command or some branch of the government. You do transportation, troop transportation or whatever. It's all part of a requirement. If you are in any military program to do the work, you do it, unquote.

39:35 I tried again and asked him more specifically if they had ever done any actual contract work with the CIA. He said, as a matter of policy, we don't comment on questions like that, which basically means they did. The author continued to try, asking him if he could deny working for the CIA. As a matter of policy, we make no comment. He sounds exactly like a CIA guy.

40:03 That was the same answer Azizma gave to the Kansas City Star when they published a lengthy article on June 10th, 1984 by James Kendall entitled the CIA Arms and Global Airlines. The story contained numerous allegations about former global pilots about connections to the CIA and weapons trips. One such trip in 1979, Global was ostensibly flying a load of lettuce.

40:33 from Tanzania to Nicaraguan refugees in Costa Rica. A load of lettuce. Huh. The plane was diverted from its scheduled stop to a commercial airport, from a commercial airport to a military field. The pilot became suspicious and asked to check the cargo of lettuce. He found three double-barreled 57-millimeter machine guns and 150 cases of ammunition with Chinese writing on them.

41:01 That incident led to a standing joke among global pilots that when they were asked what cargo they were hauling, they said cabbage and cabbage launchers. At least one global pilot had previously worked for Air America, the CIA proprietary used to fly in the Far East. And Global did business with several companies that had past and present connections to the CIA, like Southern Air Transport in Miami, who showed up as a creditor.

41:32 and Global's bankruptcy. So they had borrowed money from the CIA. Azizma said he doesn't recall any work with Southern Air Transport, but Southern Air Transport claimed in Global's bankruptcy that Global owed it $13,000 for service rendered. And former Global pilot Frank Vangaso said Southern Air performed maintenance on all of the Global airplanes in Miami. Global did business with

42:00 Evergreen International Airlines, which is my old company, a company that was formed from the assets of CIA proprietary Intermountain Aviation after its cover was blown in the mid-1970s. So yes, I worked for a CIA proprietary airline completely without my knowledge. In fact, Evergreen is listed on Global's creditors too, right after Southern Air Transport.

42:30 Evergreen operates a giant base in Marana, Arizona, just outside of Tucson, which Intermountain Aviation had owned. Evergreen's founder and principal owner, Delford Smith, told the Portland Oregonian that his company had one contract with the CIA to assist foreign nationals that the CIA...

42:54 wanted removed from other countries and brought to the United States. You know, those Afghan national kind of people that shoot up Washington, D.C.? Yeah, Evergreen was flying those people. Quote, and we don't know when we supported them and when we didn't as a contract carrier, he went on to say. News reports in July 1984 stated that the CIA was using Southern Air Transport and DuPont Summit Aviation.

43:24 as well as Evergreen to transport weapons to the Contras. When Walter Michener Sr. was a board member of Herman Hospital in Houston, Evergreen Air was hired by the board to operate its helicopter ambulance service. Well, that's convenient. That's a great excuse to have helicopters positioned in Houston when you're doing offshore activities on mobile oil platforms.

43:56 Just saying. There are some investigators who believe that Global was started in the mid-1970s as an off-the-shelf CIA company and was handed over to Azizma to do its work under commercial cover. One Gene Wheaton, the former Pentagon criminal investigator, said Global was the aviation arm of ETSCO. ETSCO was doing weapons. These guys were doing aviation. He said that they owned it through cutouts.

44:27 Another private investigator in Houston who does work for federal agencies has looked into Global and Eats Go, agreed, quote, William Klein and Richard Secord incorporated Global. Azizma has denied this, pointing out that he incorporated Global in Missouri in 1977, but there is a possibility that it was actually created well before that. There was a connection between Global and Heinrich Rupp.

45:00 R-U-P-P that goes back to 75. Rupp, a Denver precious metal dealer, was a former CIA contract pilot sentenced to prison in 1988 for bank fraud with the mafia. Rump's friend and partner, Richard Benecke, testified after Rump's trial and conviction that he and Rump worked for the CIA and that Rump was one of the pilots who allegedly ferried Reagan and Bush.

45:29 team members to Paris for the October surprise of promising Iran missiles. After Beneke's testimony and Rump's psychological evaluation, the judge reduced Rump's sentence from 42 years in prison to just two years. The U.S. Attorney's Office in Denver then asked the CIA whether Rump and Beneke had ever been employed by the agency, because that's what happens every single time.

45:59 In a November 18th, 1988 letter to Assistant U.S. Attorney C. Jeffrey Kinder, CIA Associate General Counsel W. George Jameson stated, quote, after a diligent search, no record or information of any kind was found that indicates Heinrich Rump or Richard Benecke ever had a staff or contract relationship with the CIA or otherwise worked for the CIA, unquote.

46:30 But that's a lie because they will not disclose that information. The Denver U.S. Attorney's Office then brought an indictment against Beneke for making false statements before a U.S. judge. Almost a year later, Thomas O'Rourke, an assistant U.S. attorney in Denver, wrote a letter to Beneke's attorney, Mike Scott, brother of U.S. Representative Patricia Schroeder.

46:56 who was a sitting Democrat representative in the House of Congress from Colorado, stating, quote, I received a phone call from Bob Cottle of the CIA. Mr. Cottle told me that CIA files show that in 1966, Heinrich Rump received flying lessons at Intermountain Aviation in Arizona. He said Intermountain was a CIA proprietary, unquote.

47:26 So he had, in fact, not only worked for the CIA, he was trained by the CIA. In a December 1990 interview with Dave Armstrong, then the editor of the Texas Observer, Rump said that he was involved in starting Global, which he said was owned by the CIA. Asked by Armstrong if Itzko owned Global, Rump replied, that's about a 95% true statement. An ID card issued to Rump by Global Airlines in Dallas.

47:56 Dated 1975 shows Rump to be employee number A002. That same year, Rump was issued an ID card as a pilot for Continental Air Services, a branch of Continental Airlines that was used for contract work by the CIA. Although Rump's Global in Dallas is Global International Airlines, while Azima's is Global International Airways.

48:25 There is one interesting intersection between Rump and Azizma's Global involving TWA and Saudi Arabian Airlines. Now, we've already confirmed that TWA basically operated a lot of CIA missions over the years. Rump had worked for TWA on assignment to Saudi Arabian Airlines as a captain and pilot instructor. When Global was awarded a worldwide charter in 80,

48:56 Three of its top eight managers had previously worked for TWA or Saudi Arabia. David Gann, Global's vice president of operations, was a captain and check pilot for Saudi Airlines from 1973 until he joined Global. Robert Rose, their marketing director, spent three years at TWA training Saudi nationals to manage Saudi Arabian Airlines before he joined Global.

49:25 George Selman, a flight engineer who worked at Global after three years at Saudi Arabian Airlines, later transferred to CIA-connected Buffalo Airways, which Azima purchased in 1989. So they're using Azima as a front guy for the CIA. Next, Selman went to work at Skyways Aircraft Leasing, operated by CIA agent Jim Bath in Houston.

49:53 All of this doesn't mean that Rump is definitely a CIA, but he definitely looks exactly like a CIA asset. When Rump was in Leavenworth Prison, he wrote a letter to President Bush, to which he attached a copy of his membership card to the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.

50:17 The letter contains several blatant factual errors. For example, he stated, my agency tenure began in 57 with the OSS. The OSS, of course, was disbanded after World War II, unless there's something we don't know. He also stated in the letter that he had investigated the Libyan affair in its connection to Gorbunovor in Frankfurt. In fact, that was controlled by a man.

50:47 named Barbuti, not an Iranian middleman, Gorbanifar, as far as we know. For the protection of this country, his letter went on, and the ideals which I had sworn to uphold, my lips have been and will be sealed, and I remain yours in faithful service, Heinrich Rump. He signed it Scorpio 688. I have no idea what that means. Maybe it's another secret club.

51:21 Global was also named as a CIA front by a retired CIA Middle East expert. In 1990, Bruce Hemings, a retired CIA senior operations officer who had worked the Iran desk in 85, issued several written statements criticizing the CIA's role in cover up of the Iran-Contra affair. In his statement entitled CIA gun running to Iran goes back to 81.

51:48 Which is interesting because that's another verification that there was missiles paid to Iran in exchange for holding the hostages till after the election. Since at least 1981, a worldwide network of freestanding companies, including airlines, aviation, military spare parts suppliers, and trading companies have been utilized by the CIA and the U.S. government to illegally ship arms and military spare parts to Iran and the Contras.

52:17 These companies were set up with the approval and knowledge of senior CIA officials and other senior U.S. government officials and staffed primarily by either CIA, ex-CIA, ex-FBI, or ex-military officers. The companies include Aereo Systems, Inc. of Miami, Aero Systems Limited of Singapore, Aeroax of Hong Kong, Pan Aviation of Miami,

52:47 Murex in North Carolina, Sur International in St. Lucia, Global International Airways, International Air Tours of Nigeria, Continental Shelf Exploration, Inc. of Juniper, Florida, Vericon, Inc., Dane Aviation, Miami, and others, such as Parvus, Safar, International Trading and Investment Guarantee Corp.

53:17 and Information Securities International. That's a shit ton. Through these mechanisms, staffed by ex-intelligence and military officers, the administration and the CIA have been able to circumvent and ignore legal intelligence mechanisms, congressional oversight, C-130s, F-4s, tow missiles, Hawk missile, and parts.

53:46 were shipped to Iran in violation of an arms embargo, and a variety of mechanisms were used, including international air tours of Nigeria in August and September of 1985, Aeroair in November 1985, Global International Pan Aviation, and others going back to 81. In another document titled Corruption Within the CIA, a Cast of Characters, Hemings severely criticized Thomas Twitten,

54:16 T-W-E-T-T-E-N, the deputy director of operations, which does the covert stuff for the CIA, and he was Hemings' former boss. In one section, Hemings discusses the weapon sales to Iran and how Twitin deliberately undermined a case of a foreign official who had information on the sale by turning the matter over to the British.

54:42 Twitton's decision in that of London Station is highly suspect and negligent, as they knew, as I did, that the British government was, along with the British arms industry, Tiny Rowland, Ashraf Marwan, and Aidan Khashoggi, his partner, deeply involved in this trafficking. Obviously, Twitton also knew that North Shackling Klein, Hakim, Robert Sensei, and Cyrus

55:11 Hashemi and Azizma were also involved in this trafficking, as all other individuals were part of the same network. Heming, who won the CIA's Intelligence Accommodation Medal in 1985, is extremely bitter by the way he was treated by the CIA in its attempts to cover up Iran-Contra. In his position on the Iran desk, Hemings became aware of a senior CIA

55:40 role in the secret arms for hostage transaction with Iran and the subsequent cover-up by the CIA. His knowledge of this came up in April 1987 during the confirmation hearing of William Webster for the CIA directorship. Hemings was ordered by his superiors to prepare a memo on what he knew, but to leave out certain things. He refused to alter his testimony to fit their cover story.

56:09 and later in 1989 as a Senate witness, brought me under intense pressure to remain silent or else. Death, unemployment, or loss of access to my children were all used as weapons. All of Azizma's willing and dealing, his company's bankruptcies, his association with mobsters, brought him into the gun sights of a very talented investigator at the IRS.

56:36 After this investigation discovered Azizma's connections to the failed Indiana Springs State Bank, he went to the Justice Department's Organized Crime Strike Force in Kansas City, which was investigating Mario Renda. The IRS official met with Lloyd Monroe, a veteran attorney with the strike force who had previously prosecuted narcotic cases in Indiana.

56:59 After the IRS criminal investigators gave Monroe his information on the Azima Indian Springs connection, Monroe assigned an FBI agent team investigating Indiana Springs to look into it. The agents met with Monroe and gave him some shocking news. Azima, they said, had a get out of jail free card because he worked for the CIA. One of the FBI agents involved later told the author.

57:27 The problem is the fact that this guy had to get out a jail-free card. His association with Global involved contract flying for the CIA. Some Global flights, the FBI agent added, had munitions and arms going out and narcotics coming in. Van Gesso, a former Global pilot, said that on one of his cargo flights to Bogota, Colombia, he returned with a shipment of flowers.

57:54 I heard there may have been some poppy seeds underneath the flowers. Azizma denied any knowledge of Global's transporting of narcotics. Monroe said that he argued for an investigation of Azizma despite his connections to the CIA, but his boss, a former military intelligence guy, vetoed it.

58:14 Asked if he knew about an FBI investigation being stopped because of his connections to the CIA, he said, I think you're mixing two different companies. I'm totally unfamiliar with this. Rousseau's first trial on tax fraud charges resulted in a hung jury, as did the second one. The judge then dismissed the charges, and Azizma had told the Houston Post in 89 that he had no idea about Rousseau's connections to organized crime.

58:43 which of course was a big fat lie. Meanwhile, the IRS investigator continued prodding the Justice Department to prosecute Azizma. After the organized crime strike force turned him down, he went to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Kansas City, which sat on the information and did literally nothing with it. Azizma, in the interim, had moved to London. Of course, because everybody does.

59:10 Then he headquartered his airplane leasing business in London. So the U.S. no longer has jurisdiction. So that's a good place to stop this part of it. There's a lot more. But you can clearly see that these people supposedly running these banks are literally mobsters in CIA fronts.

59:40 all involved in the savings and loan crash. And every nefarious thing that happened during that time, the October surprise, the selling of missiles one to Iran, the selling of missiles two to Iran, the Contras drug shipping into the United States, weapons shipping into Costa Rica, Honduras, whatever.

1:00:05 all centers around the fricking savings and loans. And when they got done with their operations, they just collapsed them all and move on. They've milked them dry. Billions and billions of dollars gone. Laundered through the savings and loan, made much larger by loaning out money and uncollateralized money that,

1:00:35 should never have been loaned out in the first place. So, on that happy note, we'll open it up. What you got, Bridget? It's crazy. I am really shocked. Well, not shocked. And how many times the same areas come up. You know, like it always ends up coincidentally happening within the United States.

1:01:14 Like, you began off this chapter with, you know, the guy blowing it or dying in Missouri. And then, you know, I noticed a lot of times we're connecting in Chicago. There's got to be, I wonder if there's a more than just headquarter type, you know what I mean? Well, they have major branches of operations, that's for sure. Yeah.

1:01:45 Where they kind of coalesce, where they'll get into the banking airline business and all of that stuff like they did with Wexner Epstein in Columbus, Ohio. They do have like regional hubs where they'll own the bank, they'll own the politicians, they'll own the customs office, they'll own the FBI agent. And they make sure that corrupt FBI.

1:02:11 and DEA and ATF, whoever gets that particular station is one of the corrupt ones. That's a great observation. Right, right. And it just so happens those are also the areas where we're also now seeing a lot of the election interference, ballot dumps, that kind of thing. Not a coincidence. It is headquartered areas, but it's...

1:02:40 Amazing to me because this goes back decades and decades and decades. You know, how... Since 1948. Right. Exactly. Yep. All right. Miss Lou, go ahead. Every time I come into this space, God, I wish I could come into it more often. I get gobsmacked by you. And what's amazing to me is nothing's changed. I'm not sure.

1:03:12 Not enough has changed, but things are changing. Do you think that the heads of the CIA today, and I'm not going to name specific names, but even just below the heads, do you think they're all still completely compromised considering the global? I think the middle to upper level are. I don't think Ratcliffe is. I think he's there to figure out who's.

1:03:42 the good guys and bad guys but the way the CIA has worked is the head is corrupt so the only next layer down the deputy director level they have to be corrupt to work for the corrupt director and they're only going to hire branch chiefs that are corrupt

1:04:05 so that their corruption doesn't get called out. So you see the corruption comes from the top down, not the bottom up. So there's a reasonable assumption because of how classified all of these silos are in the CIA that you could work through your first 10 years as an analyst and not be read into a single one of these programs. And you just,

1:04:35 look at intelligence, analyze the intelligence and send your analysis to your boss. Now that's where it gets corrupt. But there is a level at the bottom for about the first five to 10 years that you could survive without being corrupt. But above that, you will never, unless you show the psychological profile to be a corrupt actor, you will never advance above that level.

1:05:05 So how do you think Radcliffe is able to operate, considering the entire bureaucracy, much of it against the Trump administration? So it is my belief, and I have worked in a very small, minor fraction of something like this inside the government, you have to go to the workers. You basically ignore all of the middle management.

1:05:30 And you have to do an assessment of the workers and the quality of their work and their honesty. And then while you're doing that, you are working to force the upper management out. It is a shitty place to be. My assignment at Andrews Air Force Base was exactly that. I walked into the biggest mess of my entire career.

1:05:55 As a matter of fact, I had a peer call me when they found out I had been assigned to Andrews and told me to be very careful because I was likely to get my tire slashed. That's how bad the people that worked at that particular office that I took over. It was actually a squadron. I was a squadron commander. They were vicious, the civilians that worked there. Absolutely vicious. But I was more than able to handle the challenge because

1:06:24 And I told my friend that called me and said that, look, I spent eight years in maintenance. There ain't one damn thing these people can do to me that's gonna get me to quit. The person that I replaced actually had a nervous breakdown. They carted the person out of the squadron in an ambulance, but they'd never met anybody like me.

1:06:49 And I ended up firing them. Thank you very much. And I ended up firing them. And that's like an act of God to fire a civilian. But they had a little mafia going on that they took care of their friends out in the wing. And I'd never seen anything like it. It was crazy. I had somebody from across the base come into my office and tell me that I didn't want to do something. And it was an enlisted guy. And I look, are you talking about?

1:07:18 He goes, you really don't wanna do that. He's connected to the union and he's gonna cause a lot of problems for you. And I just leaned across my desk and looked at him and told him, bring it on, bring it on. But it was crazy. It was the craziest job I ever had. I was there for two years before I moved over to the Pentagon. It was the craziest job I ever had. Stellar, go ahead.

1:07:46 OK, so these Las Vegas ties with the mob and CIA, they're all former mobsters that own casinos here. You're talking about Shankar, the Dunes guy. I knew his daughter. So when you're bringing up these names, I'm freaking the hell out. Shankar or that other one, the Sarno person, like I said, Malaski. These are kids that I mean, they're all grownups like me and old. But these are all so like, you know, I talked about Vici yesterday and then you're bringing up.

1:08:16 Oh, shoot. Shanker Today and Dunes. And then remember I was talking about Mandalay Bay, which is now Circus. No, it was Circus Circus because it was Hacienda. It's sinking because of the water. Anyway, so again, did everybody that I freaking grew up in Las Vegas that had casino ties, were their families all CIA? Mafia or CIA, yes.

1:08:41 Well, they're all mafia, but they're all getting tied into your stories. Right. But CIA and mafia are basically brothers. They're definitely related. They were not enemies. They worked together on everything. So yes, is the answer to your question. I'm just kind of freaking out by this whole thing right now, because like I said, I mean, Steve Wynn, I mean, if you follow the history of this stuff, it follows exactly what you're saying. A lot of the timelines and things like that, some of these.

1:09:15 It's just, and they have banks here too. They have, I mean, insurances, all kinds of, I mean, it's everything that you're saying. I know. Yes, that's exactly right. I mean, that guy that you were just talking about, he used to represent Hoffa. Well, there you have it. Yeah, it's all, that's why I found this book fascinating. It ties into literally everything that we've been talking about. Go ahead, Ms. Liu.

1:09:49 What Bridget just said, another gobsmacking moment, was Mayor Lansky, Florida and Las Vegas, was he a CIA asset? So he worked, obviously he worked with the Navy. I don't know if you know his story, but he worked with the Office of Naval Intelligence during World War II.

1:10:13 He was one of the people that the mafia originally, when after World War II, and they decided that they were going to prop up Chiang Kai-shek and bring all of the heroin into the United States to fund covert operations. Initially, the mafia didn't want to have anything to do with it. They already had their bookies. They had the gambling. They had prostitution. And they weren't going to get involved in the distribution of drugs.

1:10:42 Thanks to Meyer Lansky and Santo Trafficani and a few others, they definitely got involved in it. And yes, Meyer Lansky was part and parcel of this whole operation. They work as the, so technically you can think of them as the domestic CIA. So CIA supposedly only works overseas, but obviously their drug trafficking network has to be managed from the inside of the United States.

1:11:11 From the post-World War II, when all of the heroin started flooding in from Southeast Asia through Taiwan, well, Burma first, and then Taiwan, and then eventually Laos, and Afghanistan, and blah, blah, blah. The mafia was the distribution inside of the United States.

1:11:33 You know, eventually they bring in the Cuban exiles and they bring in the Somoza Nicaraguans and the Somoza Nicaraguans was doing the Colombian cocaine on the West Coast. The Cuban exiles was doing it on the East Coast. So they have a network inside and a lot of the network is directly connected to the mafia. That's a great question. That makes total sense. That makes total sense now looking back. Thank you.

1:12:04 Yeah. Guru, go ahead. Yeah, Colonel, I was wondering your perspective. What happened really during the Las Vegas shooting? I was there. I watched the news and nothing made sense. But later on, I found out on my own. But I'm just curious, what's your perspective on it and reflection? What really happened and why during the Las Vegas shooting?

1:12:32 OK, Stella, you want to take your first stab at that? Well, the CIA was well, they were wanting to assassinate one of the prince, the one that's good friends with Donald Trump right now. MBS. MBS. Thank you.

1:12:49 Yeah, Mohammed bin Salman. So it was a foil to not do that. There were helicopters that were shooting from there, different floors from Mandalay Bay, but there were shootings over, shots fired all over the strip. Tropicana, all the way far north is Mirage, but it was mainly by the airport.

1:13:12 It was foiled near the Tropicana Hotel and stuff like that. They saved his life. So Trump, because I saw Air Force One was here in town because I was supposed to go to that Harvest Festival as well. I was just running late. And by the time I got home to change to head back down is when everything went crazy. So the whole thing was BS, the patsy that they said. No, I mean.

1:13:36 The whole thing, I mean, if you follow the people that have done it, there's all kinds of photographs or videos showing that there were multiple places where the shots were fired indefinitely from a helicopter. And that helicopter company went under literally within—they disappeared. They just, like, disappeared. So there was a—

1:13:59 an exercise going on in Northern Arizona at the time, a military exercise. So there was a lot of foreign pilots in the area. And all of the information that I've looked through indicates to me, as Stellar articulated, that the entire thing was set up to mask an assassination of MBS.

1:14:28 When that was falling apart in real time, the weapons that were going to be gathered up in that room in order to orchestrate this assassination attempt was for planting a story. And the Patsy guy is...

1:14:54 Depending on which researcher you look through, he was dead before the shooting ever even happened. And there's a lot of evidence that says that's true. The way the whole doors were set up and that's not to say there weren't shots fired out of there, but the whole story as it's broken down based on bullet trajectory and all of those types of things, that was not where...

1:15:24 So the mass slaying of people was the side effect for what was supposed to actually be happening, which was the assassination of MBS. And so you had a whole lot of things going on there. And I don't believe at all that there was a single shooter that did all of that. There's just no way. So that's my opinion of it.

1:15:58 Why was shooting at the people at the festival? It's how they distract. So what we have found out in our research of Operation Gladio, when they are trying to do something and they want a mass terror event, they love music venues.

1:16:20 So they time them at the same time to incorporate a music venue because you kill women and children, which gives you the mass terror psychological maximum benefit for every bullet.

1:16:37 Killing men is a typical wartime. You don't get as much terror out of that event at all. So they always want to include at least one woman and preferably children because that traumatizes your entire country as being vulnerable. And when you're vulnerable, you look to the state or to the federal government, in our case, for protection.

1:17:02 So these mass terror events are conditioning us psychologically to seek more and bigger oppressive government. So if you're going to try to attack someone, if you can incorporate the terror event as part of the scenario, you really get a much better, from their perspective, a much better effect.

1:17:33 Go ahead, Stella. The scenario was planned way ahead of the time. Yes. So basically, was the meeting with MBS private or official? It did not appear to be an official meeting as in, you know, one that was well broadcast ahead of time. So it had to have been someone that knew internal operations.

1:18:05 Let me go to Stellar. Go ahead, Stellar. Okay, so yes. Okay, so when all the people got, when they were shooting people up, we know that there were helicopters and things like that that were there. There were plenty of witnesses that had that. Multiple witnesses stated that there were helicopters that were shooting down, okay?

1:18:26 And there was a helicopter company that was very close to the airport. I can't remember the name of I used to know. I'll find it and I'll put it down on the bottom after the space closes and stuff. The helicopter company was only in business for about five years, I want to say. And it was in beforehand. So it's like, yes, absolutely. They had it planned. He was here. The prince was here on pleasure. He was not here on official business. He was staying at an MGM property.

1:18:52 A couple years earlier, MGM did a whole, like during Trump's administration in the beginning, MGM changed. They got rid of a lot of their big time, like people that were getting paid, like the upper end, they were doing a whole restructuring and including the CEO. He ended up stepping down. Okay. Joe Lombardo, who is now the governor of Nevada, after this whole thing happened, he was.

1:19:17 being a lot more open, but you could tell that the FBI was behind him and you could tell that he was controlled. They seized a lot of the videos and stuff like that from people. A lot of the witnesses from back then are all dead now from other musical festivals and things like that. So it's still ongoing. Right after Donald Trump got back into office this last time,

1:19:42 The entire Las Vegas field office was fired. So let that sink in. So, yes, it was definitely planned for a long time. And then even afterwards, and we're still trying to figure out what happened to the $33 million that Lombardo gave him the governorship. But Lombardo and the Marin guy were trying to figure out what happened to that money because nobody's ever really received it. But people are dying still to this day from it with unusual circumstances.

1:20:10 And the $33 million was money raised for the victims. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, okay.

1:20:18 Yes, yes. It was a GoFundMe that Sisolak, who was our mayor at the time. So we all figured that was how Lombardo became because he bought his president or he bought his governorship through that being controlled by the FBI. So we just think that there's a lot of stuff still going on here. And the FBI was cleaned out of here. We have all new FBI, from my understanding, and investigations with the field office that was here. Interesting. Miss Lou, go ahead.

1:20:45 Hey, Stella, I want to say quickly, I'm sorry, I think I called you Bridget earlier, but I have a great, I have a huge, great, great, I know, incredible, in light of this whole subject, I have an incredible movie recommendation for you guys. It's called Diary of a Spy, and you'll probably get it cheaper and or maybe free on Prime. It's a couple years ago.

1:21:09 And it was during Trump's first administration, two CIA assets, one female who just screwed up her job in the Middle East, ends up back in L.A. and is told by the station chief there, you only get to keep your job if you honeypot this other CIA agent who is babysitting MBS's either cousin or sister or something. It's a whole Saudi plot CIA thing happening in L.A.

1:21:39 The male doesn't know the female works for the company and thinks it's just a girlfriend asking a lot of questions. But it's a really, really interesting movie that kind of shows, you know, some of the girls are about to say, you know, fairy stuff. But it's a spy movie, and it's fun. So check it out, A Diary of a Spy. It's interesting that so many of the movies parallel

1:22:08 stories that are real. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So if we don't have anything else, I'm going to jump off here and go have dinner. And I thought we were going to be farther in this book. This book is, it's got just so much in it, but we're almost done. We're almost done. We're over halfway. And what are your plans for shows next week?

1:22:41 I don't know. My daughter should be here late Sunday. So what I may do, let me just check real quick. I've got a show first thing tomorrow morning. It's a radio thing that's out of the country. So it won't be a local thing. And so what I may do is I may just...

1:23:10 do two shows, one tomorrow and one on Sunday in the morning. And then that way it'll be available for you guys to listen to if you can't actually make the show. Because on Monday, I plan on doing a show and I'm definitely doing a show on Tuesday. So, and then I will do one on Friday. So probably will not do one on Christmas Eve or Christmas.

1:23:41 Let's see. Yeah, I will have to do the one on Tuesday a little early because we have Santa Claus pictures with my grandson at five o'clock. So we'll start that a little early. I'll get a schedule out this evening while I'm eating dinner and then I'll post all of it on one post on X that will carry us from tomorrow through Tuesday with times. Is that fair? Yes.

1:24:12 Okay. Sounds good. Yep. Okay. Bruno, are you also on Rumble? Are you also on Rumble now? Yeah, I'm live on Rumble on all of these places. You can see my face and my I love me wall behind me. Yeah, we always do the dual cast. We do here so I can talk to you guys.

1:24:37 And then we do it on Rumble. So it's saved there and people can go back and look at it. We have a lot of people that have contacted me that after, you know, has gone back and did the entire book through the series that Bridget puts together under the thumbnail. They just kind of binge watched through the whole book as opposed to reading the book themselves. So yeah, all of our material is on both Rumble and here. Stellar, go ahead.

1:25:07 All along popped up, but I think what we should do is get in touch with all of these book companies and make sure that we let them know that you referred them so you can get discounts for the upcoming ones that you're going to educate us on. That would be nice. That would be very nice. That's a good idea, actually. Yeah, I could use the discount, that's for sure. But I do want to say thank you to all of you. I get things in the mail.

1:25:34 from you guys. You guys have contacted me through the Spotify shop that has our Gladio paraphernalia there. And you guys have contributed to this effort. You guys have subscribed to this X account. You subscribe to Rumble. You guys subscribe to my sub stack and some of your monthly contributors to those different things. And I can't thank you enough. Obviously,

1:26:04 I spend a lot of money on the books, but to me, it's well worth it. But I do so appreciate all of you guys with the, whatever they call it, the buy me a copy thing, although I don't have that, but it's basically the same thing. That once a month, you guys, through your subscriptions on those different platforms, provide the offset.

1:26:29 to the investment that I've made. As a matter of fact, I had to get a, recently I had to get a bigger computer because on StreamYard, they only store, like Rumble, you have indefinite storage. All of your stuff is on the Rumble platform. But on StreamYard, where we do the Warhamster show, they will only allow you, and we used it extensively at first because Rumble didn't have a studio. They will only allow you to have 50 hours of videos. So the only way to store,

1:26:58 them. And I know you can get a hard drive and all that other stuff. I don't know how any of that stuff works. So I had to go out and buy, that was my Christmas present to myself this year is I went out and bought me one of those like two gigabyte MacBooks so that I was able to continue forward and download the videos on there. Now, obviously at some point.

1:27:21 the StreamYard ones are not going to be as relevant because we've switched to Rumble and almost everything except for our Secret Society videos are on the Rumble platform. So we're working through it. We're trying to figure it out.

1:27:35 I definitely want to get somebody to do a music video. If you guys know anybody that does music videos, we need a Gladio music video. I know exactly what I want it to do and I know exactly what song I want to use on it, but I have no clue how to do any of that stuff. So Guru, go ahead.

1:28:00 Usually on this space, it's very rare to find people like yourself of your military background. But I'm just very curious that you are so eager to speak openly about these events. I mean, things really didn't make sense to me. You know, I came to U.S. literally, you know, right before the war, civil war broke out in my own land.

1:28:25 And I always saw US as a country of great opportunities and a free land. But when I start learning what is really going on underneath, it became scaring. And then being there at Las Vegas, I actually literally thought that country was going to break into a civil war. So I'm really fascinated about that you speak openly about all of this. And I think it's about time that people like yourself speak. Where are you from, Guru?

1:28:50 Where are you from? I wouldn't want to speak. Sorry, I want to keep still some privacy. Okay, so tell me what region of the world you're from. Europe. Okay. All right. Yeah, so I will be very honest with you. One of the last vestiges of America is still our freedom of speech. I would have, when I retired in 2008, I would have never envisioned

1:29:20 myself sitting where I'm sitting today ever. I thought that everything the US military did around the world was noble. We were all in the right places. We were saving people from the enemy communist or the enemy Islamic terrorist, whatever. I bought every single thing my government ever told me. So about four years ago,

1:29:48 And I've always been a big reader and I had changed kind of the venue of books that I was reading. And I stumbled across Operation Gladio. And you being from Europe, you understand what that is. And I was dumbfounded. So I was stationed in Italy for three years in Southern Italy down in San Vito. And I arrived in Italy the day.

1:30:11 that Andriotti announced to the Italian Senate that Operation Gladio was a real thing in the first week of August of 1990. And so I was there for the three years of civil unrest in Italy as all of this information spilled out.

1:30:29 And it was happening around me. And other than my landlord talking to me about some of the headlines when judges were being shot on courthouse steps and prosecutors were being mowed down in the road, because I'm like, what the hell? I thought you guys were just like a civilized country. This place is crazy. She had always called it ears of lead. And so I never made the connection until I read Paul Williams' book.

1:30:56 called Operation Gladio. And once you have lived the life that I did and you know a lot of these players from the inside, when you find out that your government has been lying to you about the noble cause, which isn't so noble, someone like me who views myself as a patriot has a duty because my oath is still valid.

1:31:24 that I swore to uphold the Constitution, I owe it to my fellow countrymen to tell the truth, to expose the lies that our government and our media has spread throughout this country. We've been lied to for the last 75 years about literally everything. I have a very small audience, but comparatively to some of these people,

1:31:53 But I feel it's my civic duty to do what I'm doing. I spend almost every waking hour reading or posting, basically calling people liars on X for being stupid.

1:32:10 But I think the information has to get out and it's all of our jobs. And that's why I love this audience because you guys spread that information. It is through you guys spreading that information that I have been allowed to be on bigger platforms. I was just on a radio show this morning out in the Middle East of the country.

1:32:38 or Midwest, sorry, on a local AM radio station. I will spend as long as it takes until the majority of the country knows what our real history is. And we have to be able to not only know what our history is, but then have the wherewithal once we find out all of the shit.

1:33:03 to make the necessary changes in our government to never allow it to happen again. So I just feel it's my job to do that. All along, go ahead. Yes, Colonel. Once we're doing chronology, I mean, you mentioned, you know, spilling the beans, as it were, in the year 1990. I mean, it's kind of obvious. You're real garbled, Arlong. Oh, excuse me.

1:33:34 Oh, no. Okay, can you hear me now? Yeah. Sorry, can you hear me better now? Yes. Sorry. So, yeah, Andriotti coming out and spilling the beans about Operation Gladio in 1990 is in some way probably connected to, you know, the goings-on about the Cold War and, you know, that ending of the Cold War, so to speak. And similarly, I mean, chronology is important if you look at a movie like The Package, which,

1:34:05 It was made in 1989 in Hollywood, but it's based on, you know, both a micro and macro events of 1963. And it's like, what's the point here? At moments of geopolitical change, you know, some writers and directors might feel that they can have more freedom. And then and then that change, it's gone, you know. And but also more generally, your point about.

1:34:34 The interplay between fiction and history or fiction and politics. What you were saying earlier reminded me of the year 1975, which is such a critical year because, you know, Congress was starting a process and we know how it ended up, but nevertheless, it was starting a process. And, you know, in part of the Rockefeller hearings of that year already, one of the big names that came out.

1:35:01 was in the news a lot was, especially in 75, was Howard Hunt, you know. And here was a guy who was a CIA agent who also just happened to write fiction, you know, spy fiction. And tell a story, same year, 1975, right? The Robert Redford movie comes out, Three Days of the Condor, and that scene opens with...

1:35:29 The main character, played by Robert Redford, is busting into an office in the West 60s in New York City here and shooting a guy in the whole office. Their job is described as reading fiction for purposes of intelligence. In other words, they were reading fiction. And this comes out for intelligence purposes. And at the same time, this is in the same year that the Rockefeller Commission.

1:35:59 disclosed information that was in the media about E. Howard Hunt writing fictions. So it's an interesting time for that interplay to be. And the other thing I just very quickly, you know, that West 60s office is very, very clearly in Three Days of the Candle, in the area, it's in the West 60s here in Manhattan. And that is a very, that's a very Nelson Rockefeller-centric neighborhood.

1:36:26 He mostly lived in the West 60s. And, of course, also we know that certain female accomplices of Jeffrey Epstein had an area there in West 67th Street. That's not where the townhouse was, but it's where, you know, Ehud Barak was also in that building. And I believe he may have owned it, actually. I mean, his brother owned it. So that's a very interesting neighborhood.

1:36:56 Perhaps, you know, I could be reading too much into that or too little. Who knows? But, you know, with the fiction and nonfiction overlap in that year, 1975, this is very interesting to me. Yeah, I agree. It is weird how often they intertwine. And a lot of CIA people wrote quote-unquote fiction books so they didn't have to have their nonfiction books.

1:37:23 edited by the CIA. However, if you go and compare some of their fiction books, they really don't look all that fiction. They look a lot like nonfiction if you actually know our real history. Yeah. All right, guys, I'm going to jump off here and grab some dinner. Thanks again. I will get that schedule out to you guys in the next couple of hours for the next four days. And we'll trudge on through this book.

1:37:54 Get some more good information out there. Take care, everybody. Talk to you soon. And if I don't get to talk to you before now and Monday, have a nice weekend. Take care.

Entities here

CIA25 Farhad Azima25 Global International Airways25 Indian Springs State Bank23 John Reid16 Anthony Russo13 Iran12 Heinrich Rupp11 United States11 Iran-Contra affair9 Las Vegas shooting8 EATSCO8 William LeMaster8 Kansas7 Mafia7 United Kingdom6 Mohammed bin Salman6 U.S. Air Force6 Liberia5 Florida5 Richard Benenke5 Bruce Hemmings5 Mario Renda5 Savings and loan crisis5 George H.W. Bush5 Samuel Doe4 Evergreen International Airlines4 Operation Gladio4 Southern Air Transport4 Kansas City3 United States Attorney's Office3 Ronald Reagan3 Joe Lombardo3 Air Freight International3 Pentagon3 Republican Party3 Las Vegas3 Texas3 Edwin Wilson3 Saudi Arabian Airlines3

Claims made here

John Reid member_of U.S. Air Force host_asserted ▶ 3:28

“I was a major at the Pentagon. He was a Lieutenant Colonel. I did not know at the time. So I just walk into a room. It's the ops area where everybody in there are pilots. Now, of course, I know a lot …”

John Reid carried_out_attack Gulf War 1991 host_asserted ▶ 7:23

“And not only was he like an amazing F-15, like top gun level F-15 guy, but he was one of the mission commanders in Desert Storm. As a matter of fact, for those of you who are on Rumble, this picture r…”

Anthony Russo recruited William LeMaster documented ▶ 12:42

“The bank owners hired LeMaster from his banking job in Lexington to try to make something of Indian Springs State Bank. LeMaster decided after he took over the bank that he could be a rainmaker, someo…”

William LeMaster headed Indian Springs State Bank documented ▶ 12:42

Indian Springs State Bank financed_via Carmen Civella documented ▶ 13:13

“He brought in depositors. He brought in borrowers. He also brought in a CIA asset and the mafia. One of the borrowers at Indian Springs was Carmen Civella, C-I-V-E-L-L-A. He was the son of Kansas City…”

Carmen Civella member_of Savella family documented ▶ 13:13

Carl Russo member_of Savella family documented ▶ 13:43

“when the bank failed. Another mob borrower was Carl Russo, a bag man for the Savella family who carried the cash skim from Tropicana Casino in Los Angeles to mafia families in Kansas City and Chicago.…”

Indian Springs State Bank financed_via Morris Shanker documented ▶ 14:08

“guaranteed a $200,000 loan from Indian Springs to his Dunes Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. A Schinker associate from Las Vegas, J. Finn, F-I-H-N, was also a borrower at Indian Springs. On the deposit …”

Anthony Russo recruited Joseph Aiuppa documented ▶ 14:38

“Apuca, A-I-U-P-A, a Chicago mob boss who had been brought in by Anthony Russo. Mario Renda and his brokered deposits were also brought in by Russo. Renda brokered more than $6 million into the little …”

Anthony Russo recruited Mario Renda documented ▶ 14:38

Indian Springs State Bank financed_via Farhad Azima documented ▶ 16:14

“in Washington, approved Russo's employment by the bank, despite his felony conviction, mob connections, and a recommendation by the FDIC's regional office not to do it. The second biggest borrower at …”

Farhad Azima member_of Indian Springs State Bank documented ▶ 18:48

“For example, Azizma was elected a member of the Indian Springs Board of Directors in 82 when he became the fourth largest stockholder with almost 10% of the stock. He claimed later that he lost all of…”

William LeMaster member_of Global International Airways documented ▶ 20:11

“on Azizma's company, Global International Airway. He had also borrowed more than $55,000 from Indian Springs to buy the stock in Global. In 1982, LeMaster borrowed $50,000 from Azizma personally and n…”

Anthony Russo member_of Global International Airways documented ▶ 20:11

Farhad Azima headed Global International Airways documented ▶ 23:36

“That sounds like a genter press. Among other ventures, he had also been arranging for shipment of live cattle to Iran. He decided to go into the cattle shipping business for himself. And in 1977, he i…”

Thomas Clines founded EATSCO documented ▶ 25:05

“multiple times because it's infiltrated with CIA. Azizma told the Kansas City Star that Eatsco's contract accounted for more than half of their cargo. Eatsco, as previously noted in this book, had a c…”

Edwin Wilson funded EATSCO documented ▶ 25:40

“Hussein Salam, an Egyptian. Ex-CIA operative Edwin Wilson put up Klein's $500,000 as the initial capital investment in ITSCO. Former CIA Associate Deputy Director of Operations, the covert side, Ted S…”

Ted Shackley member_of EATSCO documented ▶ 25:40

EATSCO overbilled_or_diverted Pentagon documented ▶ 26:39

“That's probably around the time they were framing Edwin Wilson and he was going to jail. Azizma added that Global International Airways was not implicated in any criminal activities with ETSCO because…”

Pentagon financed_via Global International Airways documented ▶ 27:37

“the Department of Defense, which contracted with Azizma Company to provide military airlift of military passengers. One such contract was for $2.7 million beginning in 1983, just days before Global fi…”

Pentagon financed_via Capital Air Inc. documented ▶ 28:05

“and air mobility command contracts. Another Azizma company, Capital Air Inc., was located in Smyrna, Tennessee. It had won a $5.5 million mobility air command contract for long-range international air…”

Farhad Azima funded Republican Party documented ▶ 29:59

“He contributed almost $55,000 to Republican candidates and $15,000 to Democrats. From 84 to 86, he contributed $27,000 to a presidential dinner committee, which was also called the Republican Senate H…”

Race Aviation supplied_arms_to Iran documented ▶ 31:01

“Azizma's scheduled testimony in Anthony Russo's tax fraud case. In the first weeks of July of that same year, a Boeing 707 owned by Azizma and his wife Linda was used to ship 23 tons of arms to Iran a…”

Global International Airways supplied_arms_to Iran documented ▶ 31:01

Farzan Azima headed Race Aviation documented ▶ 31:31

“Race Aviation, which was owned by Azizma's brother, Farzan. Azizma denied having anything to do with the race or the shipment of arms to Iran. However, on March 7th, 1986, he received a letter from Fa…”

Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani exposed Farzan Azima documented ▶ 32:36

“was mentioned specifically by Iranian Parliament Speaker Ali Akbar Hasmini Rafsanjani as an arms dealer who the Reagan administration knew was selling arms to Iran. Farzan was referred to by Rafsanjan…”

Victor Thompson headed Utica National Bank and Trust documented ▶ 33:36

“the main company that belonged to Azizma, borrowed about $8 million between 84 and 88 from Utica National Bank and Trust in Tulsa, Oklahoma, using several airplanes as collateral. The head of Utica Na…”

Robert Thompson member_of George H.W. Bush documented ▶ 33:36

Farhad Azima borrowed Utica National Bank and Trust documented ▶ 33:36

Robert Thompson funded James Fales documented ▶ 34:07

“George Bush's aide, son, was the head of Utica National Bank. And this guy that's basically working for the CIA is borrowing money from the son, whose dad is the aide, to George Bush. Robert Thompson …”

James Fales financed_via International Telephone and Telegraph documented ▶ 35:13

“another milking job of the American taxpayers. About $35 million of Fales' borrowed money came from ICH Corporation, which is a Kentucky insurance company that at one time tried to buy Southmark, the …”

Anthony Russo paid Farhad Azima documented ▶ 35:41

“During Anthony Russo's trial for tax income fraud in 1986, Russo testified that in 1982, he received $25,000 from Global for accompanying the dictator of Liberia, Samuel Doe, on a trip. Well, you all …”

Farhad Azima headed Global International Airways documented ▶ 35:41

Global International Airways supplied_arms_to Samuel Doe documented ▶ 36:10

“to fly the president of Liberia, which was a new government and its cabinet around the world on a Goodwill tour. And they hired criminals to do it. That's when Liberia had had a change of regimes. And…”

CIA funded Liberia documented ▶ 37:05

“Sergeant Doe, who was a sergeant in the Liberian Army, overthrew the government. The government was backed by our CIA. And when the Revolutionary Coup occurred, the United States then wanted to become…”

Samuel Doe overthrew Liberia documented ▶ 37:05

Robert Sensi spied_on Liberia documented ▶ 38:09

“after the Doe coup. As reported earlier, CIA agent Robert Sensei testified that he worked with Clint Murchison Jr. on a CIA project to try to replace the Liberian stations. That guy just keeps coming …”

Global International Airways supplied_arms_to Nicaragua documented ▶ 40:33

“from Tanzania to Nicaraguan refugees in Costa Rica. A load of lettuce. Huh. The plane was diverted from its scheduled stop to a commercial airport, from a commercial airport to a military field. The p…”

Evergreen International Airlines front_for CIA documented ▶ 42:00

“Evergreen International Airlines, which is my old company, a company that was formed from the assets of CIA proprietary Intermountain Aviation after its cover was blown in the mid-1970s. So yes, I wor…”

Evergreen International Airlines supplied_arms_to Nicaragua documented ▶ 42:54

“wanted removed from other countries and brought to the United States. You know, those Afghan national kind of people that shoot up Washington, D.C.? Yeah, Evergreen was flying those people. Quote, and…”

Southern Air Transport front_for CIA documented ▶ 42:54

Summit Aviation front_for CIA documented ▶ 42:54

Summit Aviation supplied_arms_to Nicaragua documented ▶ 42:54

Southern Air Transport supplied_arms_to Nicaragua documented ▶ 42:54

Global International Airways front_for CIA speculative ▶ 43:56

“Just saying. There are some investigators who believe that Global was started in the mid-1970s as an off-the-shelf CIA company and was handed over to Azizma to do its work under commercial cover. One …”

William Casey founded Global International Airways guest_asserted ▶ 44:27

“Another private investigator in Houston who does work for federal agencies has looked into Global and Eats Go, agreed, quote, William Klein and Richard Secord incorporated Global. Azizma has denied th…”

Richard Secord founded Global International Airways guest_asserted ▶ 44:27

Heinrich Rupp member_of Global International Airways documented ▶ 44:27

Heinrich Rupp member_of CIA guest_asserted ▶ 45:00

“R-U-P-P that goes back to 75. Rupp, a Denver precious metal dealer, was a former CIA contract pilot sentenced to prison in 1988 for bank fraud with the mafia. Rump's friend and partner, Richard Beneck…”

Richard Benenke member_of CIA guest_asserted ▶ 45:00

Heinrich Rupp trained CIA documented ▶ 46:56

“who was a sitting Democrat representative in the House of Congress from Colorado, stating, quote, I received a phone call from Bob Cottle of the CIA. Mr. Cottle told me that CIA files show that in 196…”

Heinrich Rupp member_of Saudi Arabian Airlines documented ▶ 48:25

“There is one interesting intersection between Rump and Azizma's Global involving TWA and Saudi Arabian Airlines. Now, we've already confirmed that TWA basically operated a lot of CIA missions over the…”

Robert Close member_of Global International Airways documented ▶ 48:56

“Three of its top eight managers had previously worked for TWA or Saudi Arabia. David Gann, Global's vice president of operations, was a captain and check pilot for Saudi Airlines from 1973 until he jo…”

David Gann member_of Global International Airways documented ▶ 48:56

David Gann member_of Saudi Arabian Airlines documented ▶ 48:56

George Selman member_of Saudi Arabian Airlines documented ▶ 49:25

“George Selman, a flight engineer who worked at Global after three years at Saudi Arabian Airlines, later transferred to CIA-connected Buffalo Airways, which Azima purchased in 1989. So they're using A…”

George Selman member_of Global International Airways documented ▶ 49:25

CIA covered_up Iran-Contra affair book_quoted ▶ 51:21

“Global was also named as a CIA front by a retired CIA Middle East expert. In 1990, Bruce Hemings, a retired CIA senior operations officer who had worked the Iran desk in 85, issued several written sta…”

Global International Airways front_for CIA book_quoted ▶ 51:21

CIA supplied_arms_to Iran book_quoted ▶ 51:48

“Which is interesting because that's another verification that there was missiles paid to Iran in exchange for holding the hostages till after the election. Since at least 1981, a worldwide network of …”

CIA supplied_arms_to Nicaragua book_quoted ▶ 51:48

Thomas Twitten covered_up Iran-Contra affair book_quoted ▶ 54:16

“T-W-E-T-T-E-N, the deputy director of operations, which does the covert stuff for the CIA, and he was Hemings' former boss. In one section, Hemings discusses the weapon sales to Iran and how Twitin de…”

Farhad Azima trafficked CIA book_quoted ▶ 54:42

“Twitton's decision in that of London Station is highly suspect and negligent, as they knew, as I did, that the British government was, along with the British arms industry, Tiny Rowland, Ashraf Marwan…”

Lloyd Monroe investigated Farhad Azima documented ▶ 56:59

“After the IRS criminal investigators gave Monroe his information on the Azima Indian Springs connection, Monroe assigned an FBI agent team investigating Indiana Springs to look into it. The agents met…”

Global International Airways trafficked Colombia guest_asserted ▶ 57:27

“The problem is the fact that this guy had to get out a jail-free card. His association with Global involved contract flying for the CIA. Some Global flights, the FBI agent added, had munitions and arm…”

Meyer Lansky member_of Office of Naval Intelligence host_asserted ▶ 1:09:49

“What Bridget just said, another gobsmacking moment, was Mayor Lansky, Florida and Las Vegas, was he a CIA asset? So he worked, obviously he worked with the Navy. I don't know if you know his story, bu…”

Mafia funded Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 1:10:13

“He was one of the people that the mafia originally, when after World War II, and they decided that they were going to prop up Chiang Kai-shek and bring all of the heroin into the United States to fund…”

Meyer Lansky member_of Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:10:42

“Thanks to Meyer Lansky and Santo Trafficani and a few others, they definitely got involved in it. And yes, Meyer Lansky was part and parcel of this whole operation. They work as the, so technically yo…”

Bettino Craxi exposed Operation Gladio (book by Paul Williams) documented ▶ 1:30:11

“that Andriotti announced to the Italian Senate that Operation Gladio was a real thing in the first week of August of 1990. And so I was there for the three years of civil unrest in Italy as all of thi…”

Paul L. Williams exposed Operation Gladio (book by Paul Williams) book_quoted ▶ 1:30:29

“And it was happening around me. And other than my landlord talking to me about some of the headlines when judges were being shot on courthouse steps and prosecutors were being mowed down in the road, …”

Rockefeller Commission exposed E. Howard Hunt documented ▶ 1:35:59

“disclosed information that was in the media about E. Howard Hunt writing fictions. So it's an interesting time for that interplay to be. And the other thing I just very quickly, you know, that West 60…”