The Colonel’s Corner The Devil’s Chessboard Part 26

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0:00 Hey, Bridget, I'll be right back. Okay, sounds good. Hello, Renee. How are you today? Okay, I'm back. Okay, that's okay. It seems like everyone's kind of slow to come in today. I see that. Oh, shoot. What did I do with my glasses? Hold on. I'll be right back. Oh, there they are. Yay! How are you doing? It is.

1:02 It is 70 degrees. Can you believe that? It is 70 degrees. I am in hog heaven. Wow. Amazing. Yeah, it's beautiful here today. We were outside with the grandbaby all day except for nap time. And then his mom showed up. We kept him last night and his mom showed up and he was like, no, no, no. Oh, my gosh. All right. So.

1:38 Let's get this party started. We are on the chapter for the good of the country. Of course, we know that's a lie. Let me get back here. That is chapter 20. For those of you who are following along, we're on page 575. Let me get us live over here on Rumble. Okay, we're going to start where we left off on Friday.

2:18 We're talking about the Warren Commission. As we all know, the Warren Commission was named after Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. And he basically had to be strong-armed by President Johnson into chairing it because he didn't want to. But they needed to put somebody that appeared to be impartial's name on it. Another one of those kabuki dances.

2:50 As attorney Mark Lane, one of the first critics of the lone gunman's theory, later observed, it should have been called the Dulles Commission because of course it should. His dominant role in the investigation was throughout the entire commission. Dulles was Johnson's first choice to chair the commission, but LBJ decided that he needed Warren.

3:21 as a deflection because of the questions being asked about Dulles' involvement after his firing by JFK. Although the Chief Justice was a former Republican governor of California and the Eisenhowers appointee to the bench, he had a sterling reputation among liberals. Quote, I don't think Alan Dulles ever missed a meeting, unquote.

3:49 Warren was to be quoted as saying that years later. Behind the scenes, Dulles was even more active than the commission chairman. Warren was forced to juggle his commission duties as well as his Supreme Court duties. Dulles, of course, didn't have a job officially. And he was the only member of the commission that didn't have a day job. So he was there.

4:22 all the time. He promptly began assembling his own informal staff, drawing on the services of his former CIA colleagues and his wide network of political and media contacts. Two other principal players in the inquest were Dulles' longtime friend and fellow Cold War heavyweight, John McCloy, and future president, Gerald Ford.

4:54 who was then an ambitious Republican congressman from Michigan with ties to the FBI. While the rest of the commission, Congressman Hale Boggs from Louisiana and Senators Richard Russell from Georgia, along with John Sherman Cooper of Kentucky, they shuttled back and forth between the Capitol building and the National Archives where the panel's legal team had set up shop.

5:24 Dulles, McCloy, and Ford took control of the investigation. Now keep in mind, Hale Boggs, we've talked about before, and his corrupt running of Louisiana. Richard Russell, of course, is most notorious in Georgia for his relationship with the military-industrial complex. So hardly a balanced panel.

5:59 Dulles McCloy Ford trifecta demonstrated their dominance at the commission's first executive session held December 5th, 1963, when they joined forces to block Warren's personal favorite for the chief counsel position, Warren Olney, O-L-N-E-Y, a longtime political disciple of the chief justices.

6:28 As an assistant attorney general in Eisenhower's Justice Department, Olney had earned the wrath of the FBI Hoover for his aggressive prosecution of civil rights cases and was suspected as being hostile to the FBI. Instead of Warren's man, the trio installed their own veteran of the Eisenhower Justice Department, J. Lee Rankin.

6:59 Now, wait a minute. The Warren Commission Chief Justice Warren doesn't get to pick who's going to be the lead prosecutor? All a kabuki dance. In 1958, Dulles had heartily recommended Rankin for membership in the Century Association, an exclusive midtown Manhattan social club, as the Warren Commission's lead counsel. Rankin worked closely with Dulles and his...

7:30 other remaining members of the trio to set up a pretend investigation, keeping the focus tightly on Oswald and avoiding any areas that had the faintest tinge of conspiracy. Dulles tried to establish the framework in the inquiry early on by handling the other commission members' copies, handing them copies of a book called The Assassins.

8:02 by Robert Donovan, a Washington journalist. Donovan's history of presidential assassins argued that these dramatic acts of violence were the works of solitary fanatics, organized attempts to shift political power from one group to the other. It was quickly pointed out to Dulles.

8:26 that John Wilkes Booth, who shot Lincoln, was part of a broader Confederate plot to decapitate the federal government, rather famously contradicting the Donovans' theory. But undeterred, Dulles continued to push the commission to frame Oswald. Dulles was a whirlwind of activity, especially outside the hearing room, where he maneuvered to keep the investigation on what was considered

8:54 the quote unquote proper track. He showered Rankin with memos, passing along investigative tips and offering guidance on commission strategy. There was no detail too small for Dulles to bring to the chief counsel's attention. Quote, a great deal of the description of the motorcade and the shooting will be unclear unless we have a street map and if possible, a photo taken of the sixth floor window, unquote.

9:23 That was written by Dulles in a July 1964 memo. Is that possible? Dulles was particularly eager to explore any leads suggesting Oswald might be a Soviet spy, a soon discredited idea that Angleton would nonetheless keep promoting for the rest of his life.

9:47 Despite Dulles' efforts to keep the commission away from any hints of a conspiracy, from time to time, uncomfortable questions along those lines cropped up. During an executive session that was convened on December 16, 1963, Warren tried to raise a sensitive matter, the mysterious failure of the country's security agencies, i.e. Dulles, to keep close watch on someone.

10:17 with Oswald's background. A very logical question. How, for instance, did a defector simply stroll into the U.S. immigration office in New Orleans, as he did the previous summer, and obtain a passport to return to Russia? That seems strange to me, Warren said. Actually, passports were rather easy to obtain, Dulles said. When the discussion turned to the puzzling ease with which

10:45 Oswald got permission to come back into the United States with a Russian wife. Dulles offered that he would like to get these aspects of the inquiry into the hands of the CIA as soon as possible to explain the Russia part, you know, to his buddies. Senator Russell, long used to dealing with the intelligence community, reacted skeptically. I think you've got more faith in them than I have.

11:13 I think they'll doctor anything they hand to us. Yes, yes, they do that. Russell was edging painfully close to a fundamental problem at the core of the Warren Commission. How could the board run a credible inquest when it had limited investigative capability of its own and was largely dependent upon the FBI and the CIA for its evidence? Agencies that were implicated.

11:44 in their failure to protect the president. The Warren Commission was, in fact, so thoroughly infiltrated and guided by the security services that there was no possibility of the panel pursuing an independent course. Dulles was at the center of this subversion. During the commission's 10-month long investigation, he acted as a double agent, huddling regularly with his former CIA associates and discussing the panel's operations.

12:12 Despite the chronic tension between the CIA and the FBI, Hoover proved a useful partner during the JFK inquiry. The FBI chief knew that his organization had its own secrets to hide related to the assassination, including its contact with Oswald. Furthermore, taking his cue from the CIA, the Bureau had dropped Oswald from its watch list just weeks before the assassination.

12:40 Angry Hoover would later mete out punishment for errors such as this, quietly disciplining 17 agents. But the FBI director was desperate to avoid public censure, and he fully supported the commission's lone gunman story. Angleton, who had a good back-channel relationship with the FBI, made sure the two agencies stayed on the same page.

13:07 He met regularly with bureau contacts like William Sullivan and Sam Papich, P-A-P-I-C-H. Angleton and his team also provided ongoing support and advice to Dulles. On a Saturday afternoon in March of 1964, Ray Rocha, Angleton's right-hand man ever since their Rome days, met with Dulles at his home to mull over a particularly dicey issue.

13:36 That the commission was grappling with. How could the panel dispel persistent rumors that the CIA had somehow became a sponsor of Oswald's? The story had broken in the press the previous month when Marguerite Oswald declared that her son was a secret agent for the CIA who was set up to take the blame for the Kennedy assassination. Rankin had obligingly suggested

14:04 that Dulles be given the job of clearing the CIA by reviewing all of the relevant agency documents that were provided to the commission. But even Dulles thought this smacked of an inside job because it did. Instead of conferring, instead after conferring with Rocha, Dulles proposed that he simply provide a statement to the commission swearing, as Rocha put it in his report to Dick Helms.

14:32 That as far as he could remember, he had never had any knowledge of Oswald at any time prior to the date of the assassination. But Senator Cooper thought the allegations that Oswald was some kind of government agent was too serious to simply be dispelled by a written statement. During the Warren Commission executive session in April, he proposed that the heads of the CIA and FBI put under oath and questioned by the panel. It was highly awkward.

15:02 Suggestion, as Dulles pointed out, I might have a little problem on that, he said. Having been the CIA director until November 1961, there was a simple solution, however. Put his successor, John McCone, on the witness stand. That was fine with Dulles because, as he knew, McCone was an outsider, despite his title, and didn't know their secrets.

15:29 When McComb appeared before the Warren Commission, he brought along Helms, his chief of clandestine operations. As McComb was well aware, Helms was the man who knew where all the bodies were buried, and he deferred to his number two man more than once during the testimony. Conveniently ignorant of the CIA's involvement with Oswald, McComb was able to emphatically deny they had anything to do with it. Quote, the agency never contacted him.

15:59 interviewed him, talked with him, or received or solicited any reports of information about him, unquote. It was trickier when Helms was asked the same questions. He knew about the extensive documentation recorded that Angleton's department had amassed on Oswald. As a matter of fact, as Illini points out all the time, Oswald's file was on Angleton's desk.

16:27 He was aware of how the agency had monitored the defector during his exploits in Dallas, New Orleans, and Mexico. David Phillips, a man whose career had been nurtured by Helms, had been meeting with Oswald in Dallas. But when Helms was sworn in, he just lied. There was no evidence of agency contact with Oswald, he testified.

16:58 Had the agency provided the commission with all the information it had on Oswald, he was asked. We have all of it, Helms replied, though he knew the files that he had handed over had already been purged. Helms was the man who kept the secrets, in the words of his biographer, Thomas Powers. Commission staff attorney Howard Willans politely called him one of the most fluent and self-confident government officials I have ever met.

17:27 Helms was the sort of man who could tell lies with ease. It would eventually win him a felony conviction and he wore it like a badge. When one was defending the nation, Helms would lecture the senators who pestered him. One must be granted a certain latitude, i.e. I'm fine lying as long as I think I'm protecting the country.

17:52 It was David Slauson, a 32-year-old attorney on leave from Denver corporate law firm who had given the enviable job of dealing with the CIA as part of the Warren Commission conspiracy research team. Rankin had told Slauson to rule out no one, not even the CIA. If he did discover evidence of agency involvement, the young lawyer nervously joked, he would have been found dead.

18:22 of a heart attack. I guess the word had gotten out. But Rocha, the veteran counterintelligence agent assigned to babysit the commission, made sure nothing turned up. Quote, I came to like and trust Rocha, said the young staff attorney, who found himself dazzled with his first exposure to spies. He was very intelligent and tried in every way to be honest and helpful, Slauson said.

18:52 Years later, as the Church Commission began to reveal the darker side of the CIA, Slauson came to suspect that Rocha had not been honest with him at all. In a frank interview in the New York Times in February of 75, Slauson suggested that the CIA had withheld important information from the Warren Commission, and he endorsed the growing campaign to reopen the Kennedy investigation. Slauson was the first Warren Commission attorney to publicly question whether the panel had been misled.

19:22 by the CIA and FBI. And he would later be joined by Rankin himself. And the news story caused a stir in Washington. Several days after the article ran, Slauson, who by then was teaching at the University of Southern California, got a disturbing phone call from none other than James Angleton. After some initial pleasantry, the spook got around the business. He wanted Slauson to know.

19:49 that he was friendly with the president of USC, and he wanted to make sure that Slauson was going to remain a friend of the CIA. In other words, he was threatening him. Far from shuffling through the Warren Commission proceedings, Dulles seemed to spring back to life with the inquiry. In fact, the entire inquest into President Kennedy's assassination gave new meaning to his career.

20:23 While Earl Warren, who turned 73 during the investigation, seemed exhausted and demoralized by the experience, it energized Dulles. When a friend congratulated Dulles on his 71st birthday in April of 1964, he responded, there have been many, too many of them. At least I can say that I don't feel any older despite the passage of time and with the work of the President's Commission.

20:51 I find myself busier than ever. Dulles went about the grave business of probing Kennedy's death with a spirited attitude. When it came time for the commission to examine JFK's gore-soaked clothing, Dulles stunned his fellow investigators with an inappropriate quip, quote, by George as he was inspecting Kennedy's tie, which had been a clip-off,

21:23 which had been clipped off with surgical scissors. The president wore a clip-on tie. By contrast, when Warren had to view Kennedy's autopsy photos, he later remarked, they were so horrible that I couldn't sleep for nights. His new job on the commission gave Dulles the opportunity to connect with old friends like Mary Bancroft and Douglas Fairbanks Jr.

21:51 who passed along tips and bits of gossip related to the case, as well as British novelist Rebecca West. In March, Dulles wrote West, asking her to draw on her imagination to come up with a possible motive they could use for Oswald's crime. The commission was so baffled by the question that Warren even suggested leaving that part blank.

22:20 I wish sometime you would sit down and write me a line as to why you think Lee Oswald did this dastardly deed, he wrote the author. All I can tell you is that there is not one iota of evidence that he had any personal vindictiveness against the man, Kennedy. Meanwhile, the following month, Mary relayed a news report about Mark Lane to Dulles, informing her old lover.

22:51 that Lane had apparently told a conference of lawyers in Budapest that the killers, plural, of JFK were still at large. Even I am amazed that Lane had the temerity to go to Budapest and shoot off his mouth in that fashion. I regard him as insane. But nonetheless, I do hope the FBI has their eye on him. Dulles and McCloy, in fact, were very concerned.

23:21 about European opinions of the Kennedy assassination. They were urged, and they urged the commission to closely monitor Lane and Thomas Buchanan, a Paris-based American journalist who had written the first JFK conspiracy book, Who Killed Kennedy? An advanced copy of which was airmailed to Dulles from the CIA station in London.

23:47 During an executive session in April, Dulles even proposed that Buchanan be subpoenaed to appear before the commission. Earl Warren was obsessed with press coverage of the inquiry and agonized over press leaks, including a May report by Anthony Lewis in the New York Times midway through their work, that the inquiry was set up to unequivocally reject theories that the assassination was a conspiracy.

24:18 Warren was very upset by the news report, which suggested that the commission had rushed to judgment before hearing all the evidence. The leak was clearly intended to counter the publicity being generated by Lane and Buchanan. While the commission frantically attempted to determine the source of such leaks, the answer was sitting right in front of them. The two most active leakers was Ford and Dulles. It was Ford who kept the FBI constantly informed, enabling Hoover.

24:49 Hoover to feed the press with bureau-friendly stories, and Dulles used the CIA's own network of media assets to spin the commission coverage. The New York Times was Dulles' favorite. In February, the Times run another leaked story, also bylined by Lewis, that clearly led back to Dulles. Lewis reported that Robert Oswald

25:16 The accused assassin's brother had testified that he suspected Lee was a Soviet agent. As the commission hunted the source of the leak, the staff attorney suggested that the Times reporter might have overheard a dinner table conversation that he and Dulles had had with Robert Oswald at the Washington restaurant, a highly unlikely scenario that nonetheless provided Dulles a cover story.

25:43 There was a smug coziness to the entire Warren investigation. It was a clubby affair. When Secretary of the Treasury, Dillon, finally appeared before the commission in September, less than three weeks before the final report was delivered, he was warmly greeted by Dulles, calling him Doug. Dillon was treated to kick...

26:09 glove examination by the commission, even though there were questions left unanswered about the Secret Service's behavior in Dallas. Led by Willens, a commission staff had tried for months before Dillon's appearance to obtain Secret Service records related to the assassination. Willens believed that the Secret Service appeared to be neither alert nor careful in protecting the president. There was a delicate way of characterizing

26:37 what was a criminally negligent performance by the service entrusted with the president's safety. The building surrounded Daly Square and its shadowy corners were not swept, not secured by the advance team of the Secret Service. There were no agents riding on the flanks of his limousine. And when sniper fire erupted, only one agent, Clint Hill, performed his duty by sprinting towards the president's vehicle.

27:07 and leaping onto the rear. It was an outrageous display of professional incompetence, if you want to call it incompetence, one that Robert Kennedy immediately suspected that the presidential guard was involved in the plot. But Dillon stonewalled Willen's efforts to pry loose any Secret Service records, and when the commission staff persisted, the Treasury Secretary

27:34 got together with his old friend, Jack McCloy, and then appealed to President Johnson. Dillon was very shrewd. I still can't believe he involved President Johnson. Instead of being grilled by the commission about why he had withheld records and why his agency was missing in action in Dallas, Dillon was allowed to make a case for why his budget should be beefed up.

28:00 If the Secret Service was given more money, things like that wouldn't happen. Always grow bigger government because of the government's inability to do their job. If any blame was assigned in the death of the president during Dillon's gentle interrogation, it was placed on the victim himself.

28:24 Soon after the assassination, Dillon and others had begun circulating fake stories that Kennedy had preferred his Secret Service guards to ride behind his motorcade instead of on the side rails, and that Kennedy had also requested the Dallas Police Motorcycle Squadron to hang back so the crowds in Dallas could enjoy an unobstructed view. This clever piece of disinformation had the insidious effect of absolving the Secret Service and indicting Kennedy.

28:53 for his own death. And with Dulles' help, Dillon was able to slip this story into the commission record. When the Warren Commission delivered its 912-page report in 26 volumes to President Johnson in the White House on September 24, 1964, the towering stack seemed designed to crush all dissenting opinions by its sheer weight alone. But the bulk of the Warren report was filler.

29:23 Only about 10% of the report dealt with the actual facts of the case. On Dulles' insistence, most of it was taken up with filler, like the biography of Oswald in exhaustive detail, managing to avoid any reference of him working for the CIA, which he clearly did. The CIA, of course, got a clean bill of health out of the entire report.

29:52 Predictably, the New York Times and Washington Post set euphoric tone of the press coverage, with Robert Donovan, the same journalist whose book on assassinations, had made a debut in the commission. Newsweek National Affairs editor John J. Esselin sent Dulles a complimentary copy of the issue with the Warren Report on its cover, along with a fawning note, quote,

30:21 Without exception, every one of our editors who was involved in our too hasty assimilation exercise found himself deeply impressed with the judiciousness and thoroughness of the commission's findings. I think we can all be proud of your labor, unquote. He thanked Dulles for helping to guide the magazine's coverage, telling him that the editorial staff's efforts to absorb the massive report.

30:47 tight deadline quote was made easier through your kindness and giving us ideas of what what to look for oh shoot sorry um so in other words Dulles wrote all of the um press that was given to the Washington Post and the New York Times after the commission to spin the Warren commission

31:27 the way they wanted it because of its 900 pages, no one was actually going to read it and do honest press coverage. So the commission was stacked with their people to include the guy that Kennedy fired, Alan Dulles. Everybody there but Dulles had real jobs.

31:53 The Supreme Court Justice Warren couldn't even pick his own lead attorney for the commission. Dulles picked it for him. They didn't interview anyone that they hadn't already known was going to give them the story that they wanted. The CIA, when called, lied. Bold-faced lies.

32:25 Literally nothing about the Warren Commission investigated the actual assassination. It was a performance to produce an unwellly amount of information, most of which was not even pertinent to the investigation. And then all of the news articles were edited by the culprits to provide to the American people.

32:55 bullshit disinformation to cover up the government's complicity in the assassination of the president. And the writers, the quote-unquote reporters, they're not reporters, they're disinformation propagandists, sent letters thanking Dulles for giving them the stories to produce. This pattern continued into the next decade when now President Ford

33:30 appointed Dillon to another panel that examined a possible CIA connection to the Kennedy assassination. Listen to this. The same Dillon that refused to give the Warren Commission the Secret Service records, that same guy that came and asked for more money and blamed a lack of budget from being able to protect the president.

34:02 of the United States from assassination, was selected by Dulles' partner on the Warren Commission, at the time, Congressman Gerald Ford. You fast forward, we get rid of Nixon, Ford becomes president, and we're going to have another investigation into JFK. And who does the guy that was on the first one, President Ford, pick?

34:35 Dylan, the guy that was in charge of the Secret Service during the assassination. Or I'm sorry, he picked Nelson Rockefeller. Let's get this correct. The 1975 commission was chaired by the lifelong friend of Dylan. Sorry, Nelson Rockefeller. So Nelson Rockefeller, Ford has Nelson Rockefeller as his vice president.

35:13 Not elected or anything. This is all after the Nixon coup. So Ford and Rockefeller sitting in the presidency, president and vice president. And Nelson Rockefeller's best friend is Dylan. Dylan is the guy that hid all the Secret Service damaging information in the first one. The Rockefeller Commission, which also included another old Kennedy antagonist and Dulles ally.

35:46 Anybody want to guess who that is? Because you're going to just shit bricks when I give you this name. Lyman frickin' Lemitzer. Lyman Lemitzker. Now, why do I say it like that? Lyman Lemitzker, retired general, who's the author of Operation Northwood, who suggested, recommended that we kill Americans.

36:24 Using Operation Gladio tactics of Cuban exiles dressed up as Cuban soldiers to kill Americans to justify a ground invasion of Cuba. Lyman Lemonsker, who as a result of riding Operation Northwood, was fired by Kennedy and reassigned to NATO in charge of Operation Gladio in NATO, who was already trying to kill President de Gaulle.

36:52 and had operational control of Gladio units, which at least one was found in Dallas. The OAS from France had two assassins in Dallas on November 22nd, 1963, one of which was escorted to the Mexican border by a Dallas police officer. That Lyman Lemesker, who would have been the one approving the OAS agent's deployment,

37:24 to the United States for a terrorist attack, i.e. killing our president. That Lyman Lemesker was part of the 1975 commission to reinvestigate the Warren commission. You just literally cannot make this up. And of course, they concluded that any allegation of the CIA conspiracy in the JFK was far-fetched speculation.

37:56 Following the release of the Warren report, there are still a few murmurs of doubt, including some within the commission itself. Senator Russell, who strongly suspected that Oswald had been backed by others, seemed eager to distance himself from the report. He fled home to Georgia, refusing to make himself available. Suspicion even fluttered here and there in Dulles' own social circle. Bill Bundy,

38:27 over in Foggy Bottom was among those who did not find the Warren Commission surprisingly convincing. I think he accepted the Warren report, but did he believe it? That's another matter, Bundy's daughter Carol said after his death. I think he thought it was good for the country. This is what we put together and now we need to move forward. Even those establishment personalities who were nagged by doubt.

38:53 about the official story convinced themselves that the national shame had to be laid to rest, but the nightmare of Dallas kept afflicting the nation's slumber. Its tell-tale heart kept beating beneath the floorboards, even though they tried to bury it. And it would not leave Dulles alone either. In December of 1965, a year after the Warren Commission wrapped up,

39:24 Allen Dulles agreed to spend a few days in Los Angeles at the campus of the University of California, as well as part of a lecturer series. All he had to do for what was described as a princely sum of money was to give a few talks, rub elbows with students. By this point, however, a wide network of Warren Report critics had flourished.

39:52 men and women from all walks of life, none of them famous except for Mark Lane, who the CIA-inspired bad press of bullish personalities had rendered him notorious. Among these critics of the official story were farmers, salesmen, newspaper editors, professors, blah, blah, blah. They spent untold hours poring over the report, analyzing photos taken during that moment in Dealey Square and tracking down eyewitnesses, their zeal for the truth.

40:21 would make them a target of media mockery. But they were doing the work the American press refused to do. Among this band of loosely connected independent researchers was a 26-year-old UCLA graduate student in engineering and physics. His name was David Lipton. Lipton had not given the Kennedy investigation much thought, assuming, like most Americans, that the Warren Commission had it right.

40:49 until he happened to attend a lecture of Mark Lane in September 1964, around the time the report had been released. The graduate student went to the lecture as a lark. He said for the same reasons he might go to an eccentric lecturer on The Earth is Flat. What Lifton found was so disturbing that it changed his life forever. Soon afterwards, he threw himself

41:21 into researching the Kennedy assassination. Back in LA, Lifton plunked down $76 in a local bookstore to buy the entire 26-volume set of the Warren Report. He spent an entire year looking over everything. He added another dimension to his understanding of the case by reading the best conspiracy literature, all of it, including left-wing publications like The Nation and Liberation.

41:53 By the time Dulles arrived at UCLA, David Lifton was ready to do battle. Contacting the student who was acting as Dulles' host, Lifton passed word that he would like to sit down with a spymaster for a 15-minute interview to discuss the report. Dulles refused to meet with him, but he did agree to answer any of his questions in an open format. The student host warned Lifton not to badger Dulles. Another warned report.

42:21 Critic had tried to get the best of Dulles the previous night, and he said that Dulles made mincemeat of him. That evening when Lipton showed up at the hall, he had butterflies in his stomach. I had never met, I had never been more frightened in my life in connection with speaking to anyone, he later said. Dulles entered the lounge with Clover, his wife. He lit up his

42:51 pipe and leaned back in his chair. Still alert at 72, Dulles scanned the group of 40 or so students sitting in chairs semicircle in front of him. Lipton had brought along an arsenal of evidence, including two hefty volumes of the Warren Report, a file box filled with documents and photos of Daily Square, including copies of the kill shot frames from the Zabruder's film. The engineering student had made a point of wearing his best suit.

43:21 He also brought friends. After Dulles deflected a question from a student about the CIA budget, the spymaster suddenly found himself confronted by Lifton. Lifton, not knowing how long he'd be given the floor, leaped right into the heart of the matter, challenging the Warren Report. Mr. Dulles, he began, one of the most important conclusions of the Warren Report goes something like this. There's no evidence of a conspiracy. Wasn't it?

43:51 We have found no evidence of a conspiracy, Dulles corrected him. There was a twinkle in his eye. Undeterred, Lipton kept going. Contrary to the commission's conclusion, he asserted, there was ample evidence to suggest a conspiracy, not the least of which was the Zapruder film, which graphically demonstrated Kennedy's head thrusting violently backwards and to the left by the fatal shot. Lipton knew.

44:21 His own law of physics and the conclusion was unavoidable to him. This must imply someone firing from the front. Dulles would have none of it. He calmly informed the gathering, examined the film a thousand times, and that what Lipton was saying was simply not true. At this point, Lipton walked over to the guest and began showing him blowups of the film. I know these are not the best reproductions.

44:50 But the images were clear enough. Nobody had ever confronted Dulles like this before in his life. The old man was agitated as he glanced at the photos. Now, what you are saying. Just what are you saying, Dulles sputtered. I'm saying there must be someone up front firing at Kennedy. Look, Dulles said.

45:15 There isn't a single iota of evidence indicating conspiracy. No one says anything like that. Well, of course, plenty of people did. They just didn't say it to Dulles' face. But now it was Lipton's turn to school Dulles. Actually, the engineering student said, 121 witnesses in Daly Plaza, dozens of them reported hearing and seeing evidence of gunfire from the grassy knoll. People even saw and smelt smoke.

45:44 What are you talking about, he said. Who saw smoke? Lifton began giving names of the witnesses, citing the research done by Harold Feldman, a writer for scientific journals. Who is Harold Feldman, Dulles said. This elicited an explosion from Dulles. Because Feldman had written articles in The Nation. The Nation? Ha ha ha, said Dulles.

46:16 He thought that everybody else was going to laugh too, but he was the only one laughing. It is to the everlasting credit of the students, Lipton later remarked, that even if they did not understand the full meaning of the dialogue that was taking place, they did sense the obscenity of that laugh, that it was an attempt to intellectually smear in disguise and not one student laughed.

46:44 Dulles was all alone. Dulles tried to retrieve the upper hand by making his antagonist look like a time hog. As Lipton put it, look, the distinguished guest said to the group. I don't know if you really are all interested in this. And if you're not, we just as well. No, no, they all said. Keep going to Lipton. So with a shrug, Dulles was forced back into the ring by having failed to knock out Lipton.

47:13 With his display of contempt, he seemed at a loss on how to continue the battle. I can't see a blasted thing here, the old man said, taking another look at the hideous photos. You can't see the head goes back. I can't see it goes back. It does not go back. You can't say that. You haven't shown it. But after passing the photos around the room, Lifton had the final word.

47:43 Each student can look and see for himself, he told Dulles. After the heated exchange between Lipton and Dulles, the evening began to wind down. Dulles was given the opportunity to restore some of his dignity and was asked a question that allowed him to speak at length about Cold War spycraft. Then Dulles said goodnight. He and Clover retired to the campus quarters. As Dulles withdrew, dozens of students

48:12 gathered around Lifton, peppering him with questions about the assassination. And for the next two hours, he gave a presentation of why Dulles was lying. Not talking about that evening nearly 50 years later, but talking about that evening, Lifton conveyed a darker feeling with his encounter with Dulles. He had the sense that he was in the presence of evil, who by then was a man in his 70s.

48:47 like Dulles at the time of their duel. It was the way he looked, his eyes. He was just evil. They were very, very scary. David Lifton was the only person who ever gave Alan Dulles a taste of what it would be like for him to have actually been put on the witness stand. No doubt Dulles would have reacted the same way if he had ever been cross-examined. First, he would have tried to charm and disarm the prosecutor, then scorn.

49:16 and eventually erupt in fury, perhaps accompanied by vague threats, as he did Lipton, when he suggested that the grad student should submit to an FBI interrogation if he had anything new to report. Dulles' performance at UCLA offered a glimpse of how vulnerable the spymaster was underneath his bluster, and how quickly he might have cracked if he had ever been subjected to a rigorous examination.

49:46 But the failure of Congress, the legal system, the media, and everything else to investigate the assassination allowed Dulles to skate. Dulles would be forced to spend the rest of his life grappling with the charges leveled by these headstrong men and women trying to discredit his books, sabotage his personal appearances, and in some case, destroyed.

50:12 their reputation. He had written Jerry Ford in February of 65 telling him he was happy to note that attacks on the Warren report had dwindled to a whimper, but it was wishful thinking. The whimper of criticism became a roar. Sometime in the winter of 65 to 66, after Dulles' showdown at UCLA, he suffered a mild stroke, but he soon rebounded and Clover despaired.

50:40 over his inability to slow down. In February of 1966, she wrote Mary Bancroft, the girlfriend, asking for her advice on how to get Alan to slow down. The two women knew that Dulles would not scale back as his health failed. He was, quote unquote, the shark, propelling himself relentlessly forward. If he slowed down, that would be the end of him.

51:08 He dined with his old CIA friends like Angleton and hosted overseas guests like Rebecca West and her husband, Henry Andrews. He hopped up to New York for meetings on the CFR and met with Bill Bundy and Hamilton Armstrong. In November 1966, he even sat for Heinz Wernicke, a German-born sculptor, to do a brass bust of himself.

51:38 to put in the lobby of the CIA. That same year, Dulles published a rose-colored memoir of his World War II spy days called The Secret Surrender. And with the help of a former CIA comrade, Tracy Barnes, the book was turned into a Hollywood movie. But the project never went beyond the Tinseltown wheel spinning stage, demonstrating

52:07 That when it came to dealing with the movie industry, even espionage wizards were sometimes at a loss. Or perhaps trying to turn SS General Wolf into a screen hero was a bit too much. Because that book was about Operation Sunrise and his meeting during the war with a Nazi in order to make the arrangements to set up Operation Gladio. That was a bit too much even for Hollywood.

52:37 Much of Dulles' time during his golden years were absorbed by growing controversy about the Warren Report. He knew his legacy was tied to the credibility of the investigation, and he defended it. In 1966, Dulles and the commission colleagues found themselves besieged by skeptical reporters and filmmakers by the best-selling book, Mark Lane's Rush to Judgment.

53:08 Jay Epstein's book, The Inquest, and Harold Weisberg's Whitewashed ripped holes through the Warren Report. And I will share with you, the first book I ever read about any of this was like three and a half years ago, and it was Mark Lane's Rush to Judgment. They tried desperately to stop that book from being published. Then Joshua Thompson wrote Six Seconds in Dallas.

53:39 which had a large chunk of it, exposéed in the Saturday Evening Post. Thompson's book would even land the Halliford philosophy professor-turned-private-eye an editorial consultancy with Luce's Life magazine, which had earlier played a key role in the assassination cover-up where they secured the separator film in their vault.

54:08 Dulles was particularly disturbed by the inquest. It was a methodical dissection of the report's weaknesses that had begun as Epstein's master thesis at Cornell. To their little regret, some commission staff members had cooperated with Epstein's research, which gave the book more credibility when it attacked the Warren Report. In July of 66, Dick Goodwin

54:34 lauded the book in the Washington Post and used his review to call for a reopening of the investigation, a bombshell that marked the first time a member of Kennedy's inner circle had issued such a call. Dulles' anxiety was overwhelming. He conferred with Lee Rankin and Arlen Specter, the future senator from Pennsylvania who had been one of the commission's more ambitious young attorneys.

55:01 concocting the infamous magic bullet theory to reinforce the lone gunman story. Yes, that was the fake story created by Lee Rankin and Arlen Specter. As the groundswell of a call for a new investigation grew, Dulles realized that a major counteroffensive was needed to be mounted.

55:30 Once again, he rallied his media allies, the U.S. News and World Report founder, David Lawrence, whom Dulles described to Rankin as an old and very close friend, who published a ringing defense of the Warren Report by Specter, yes, Arlen Specter, in October.

55:56 The propaganda campaign on behalf of the Warren Report was primarily run out of the CIA by Dulles, Angleton, and Ray Rocha, the same people involved in the cover-up. In 1967, CIA documents later released under the Freedom of Information Act stated that growing criticism of the report was a matter of concern for the U.S. government, including our organization, meaning the CIA.

56:28 In response, the agency sought to provide friendly journalists with material for countering and discrediting the claims and calling anybody that wrote anything outside of the Warren report a conspiracy theorist. So wear it proudly. One way that its media assets could impugn conspiracy theorists, the CIA suggested, was to portray them as Soviets. Yes, just communists. It worked every other time.

57:00 They were communist and extremist with a political conspiracy. As part of the campaign to smear the critics, Dulles compiled dirt on Mark Lane, whom he considered a terrible nuisance because of his growing media visibility and influence overseas, where he spoke often. Dulles received one report from an unidentified source that amounted to a sludge pile of salacious,

57:33 Garbage about Lane. I have been told, this is a quote, I have been told that his wife was, even is, a member of the Communist Party. And I have also been told that Lane is not divorced from his wife, as some people claim, unquote. A district attorney in Queens, quote, has in his possession pictures showing Lane engaged in obscene acts with minor girls. Call him a pedophile.

58:05 Then he goes on to say, I have not seen those pictures personally, but he seems to have a really bad reputation. Dulles' informer also offered crude observations about the lawyer's race and mental status. Quote, he is supposedly Jewish, but there are those who claim he's half Negro, or at least has Negro blood.

58:38 He's very dark complected, wears glasses, and he's always in a hurry. My own personal opinion is he's deranged, unquote. So you're a conspiracy theorist, and if that doesn't work, you're a communist. If that doesn't work, your wife's a member of the Communist Party. When that doesn't work, you're a pedophile. When that doesn't work, you have Negro blood in you. That's the level that they go to.

59:11 to smear anybody who questions them. And we see it every single day today. That's why you know the media is still working for the CIA. It's the same playbook over and over. According to Lane, the CIA went beyond ugly gossip about him, subjecting him to surveillance and harassment. As his public profile started to grow, the agency pressured TV and radio stations to cancel him.

59:39 When he traveled to foreign countries to speak about the Kennedy assassination, the agency sent bulletins to U.S. embassies announcing that Lane's personal appearance had been canceled because they didn't want any of their embassy staff attending to find out what was really going on. Dulles avoided any direct confrontation with Lane.

1:00:07 In August 1966, when he was asked to debate Lane by a producer of a TV public affairs program in New York City called The Open Mind, Dulles refused. Perhaps he figured that if the UCLA could rattle him, he stood no chance against Mark Lane. It's best we hide behind our media sycophants and just throw stones.

1:00:35 As time went by, even friends of Dulles began to air their doubts to him about the Warren Report. His European friends were particularly skeptical, but some of his intimate closer to home, including Mary Bancroft, began challenging him about the assassination. After feeding Dulles with tattletale reports about the fiendishness of Lane,

1:01:06 Throughout the entire Warren Commission inquiry, Bancroft was a weathervane for shifting opinions in New York City. She started to consider whether the outspoken critic was right. After listening to him, she was quoted as saying, even I began to wonder. And she wrote that to Dulles in July of 1964. By 1966,

1:01:34 Dulles' longtime confidant had gone over to the other side, much to his chagrin. That November, after Mary sent Clover a letter about the commission's failings, Allen wrote her back saying, quote, I imagine that we will have to agree to disagree about the Warren report. I respect your views and I doubt whether I can have any great influence on them, but I may try when we next get together, unquote. By 1967, polls showed two-thirds of the American public.

1:02:04 did not accept the Warrens' conclusion that Oswald was a lone gunman. That same year, against the backdrop of growing public skepticism, New Orleans DA Jim Garrison launched the first and likely the only criminal investigation related to the Kennedy assassination. At the beginning of the investigation, Garrison wrote, would later write,

1:02:29 I had only a hunch that the federal intelligence community had somehow been involved in the assassination, but I did not know which branch or branches. As time passed and more leads turned up, however, the evidence kept pointing directly to the CIA. So at that point, I'm going to stop because the rest of this is about that. And we may finish the book tomorrow.

1:02:59 So we will stop there and talk about Jim Garrison and cover the last chapter tomorrow. I can only imagine what it must have been like to look into that evil monster's eyes. And that's one of the biggest things that stuck out. And when you're describing it, sometimes hearing those point of views, I do think there's some people that are just so evil.

1:03:33 But when you look into their eyes, you can feel it. Yeah. Or something deep down inside you, you know. Oh, I definitely have met people like that. And I mean, obviously not people as evil as Alan Dulles, but I have met people that when you're in the same room with them, they give off those vibes that they are just evil. There is something broken inside them.

1:04:00 So now I have had to sit on this Lyman Lemonsker tidbit the whole time that we've been reading this book. Do you guys now understand that Lyman Lemonsker is one of the most evil people as well? He's like the Forrest Gump of Operation Gladio. He literally pops up everywhere. You know, that special part of hell, I got to believe, is where they are located. Because he's not with us anymore, is he? Oh, no. Yeah, I didn't think so.

1:04:36 No, his, Illini, I don't know, Illini doesn't have a speaker. We were talking, oh, it wasn't Illini, sorry. It was another guy who, he's not ever here in the audience, but he listens to all of the shows. He had, he was working on something else and wanted to ask me some questions. And so I was talking to him on the phone for like two hours. And I told him, I so want to,

1:05:08 And Lyman Lemonsker's papers are in an archive just outside of Philadelphia. And I so want to go up there and go through his archives. Moneypenny, go ahead. Wow. This is an unprecedented time, isn't it? The whole Epstein files. A week, 10 days ago, I would have said, oh, this is a big U.S. issue. But it's almost. It might even.

1:05:39 take down our government yeah and it is it is currently on a whiskers edge whether our prime minister retains his position well there's there's a ton of other ones that's already stepped down in europe not prime ministers but not just europe yeah not just europe

1:05:59 I was speaking to somebody in Australia two days ago. They've got the same problem. The person that there is, their equivalent of Mandelson, who is the guy that our prime minister sent.

1:06:12 to do all the arbitration with the United States and, you know, keep our relationship hunky-dory. He's the worst person he could possibly have chosen. And the same with Australia. The person who is the Australian-U.S., you know, negotiator person, is also festering with a viral pathogenic connection to all of this. But, Money Kenny, don't you think that's on purpose? I wanted to ask you, because obviously I'll be labeled a conspiracy theorist.

1:06:43 So I believe just like with the person that always ends up being our UK ambassador in the past, they've always been part of this group. I think the same is true when it comes to the UK and especially Australia. There is a club and they're all part of the club.

1:07:11 And you have to be able to trust only the club members to be the representative in the foreign governments. And it's not, I mean, just look at the Russiagate. Who did you have involved? The UK and Australia. This is not a coincidence. And there were other people, but primarily the setup in London.

1:07:41 was facilitated by the UK and their intelligence services, as well as Australia. I don't think that's like a one-off. I mean, we know it's not a one-off. I don't think it's the only two times it's happened. I mean, for God's sake, we overthrew Australia.

1:08:00 It's a festering endemic. Look, even to the extent that, you know, the whole formation of the separate city of London, the offshore bank accounts, the Bermudas, the Swiss bank accounts, the Vatican with the Swiss guards.

1:08:15 The Caribbean islands, Nassau. Go and look at Mustique. Look at the Russian owners of the investment trusts who don't have to have their name on record. Neither do the Cayman Islands, like the former British prime minister, who had a huge multi-million investment in a certain vaccine manufacturer. But all of these people, whether they be stationed in the UK or the US or Australia or anywhere else,

1:08:45 a part of an elite, degrading, divorced, horrendous community that is just as bad as Epstein in my books. Oh, absolutely. Well, I would argue that Epstein was a runner boy for them. Oh, that was my question. Sorry, I forgot to ask. Mossad or CIA? Both. Please clear it. And MI6. He definitely had ties to all of them. And see, that's why...

1:09:14 I get so frustrated with people who want to name just one intelligence agency. They work, they're like siblings. Blood is thicker than water. So do they quarrel among themselves? Yes. But they're family. They will protect each other to their death. And this is very skull and bones. It is.

1:09:42 Eyes wide shut. You know, the whole pervasive, incestuous little boys club at the bottom line. Yes. Isn't it? Yes, it is. It absolutely is. So how big does this go? This could take down the British.

1:09:58 government. It could take down other very senior politicians and other European leaders. I mean, at the moment, we are faced that here in the UK, we have the most left wing. I mean, in fact, we might be Cuba tomorrow. I mean, who knows? But we are the most left wing communist government in the whole of the Western Hemisphere, as far as I can tell out.

1:10:19 The absolute looping pictures of what's happening in China and telling everybody in Britain that this is the best trade deal we have ever done, that we are aligned with China rather than the US. What is going on? Don't you find it ironic that the entirety of Operation Gladio excuses for overthrowing over 90 countries around the world?

1:10:48 was done under the auspices of anti-communism and Europe looks like the United Soviet States of Europe? Yes, absolutely. I just find it hysterical. And I've said that several times. You spent, what is it now, 75 years?

1:11:11 Going around the world, overthrowing governments, accusing them wrongfully of being associated with communism. And you are the epitome of communism. And you have an entire faction in the United States that are openly advocating that.

1:11:30 We adopt all of the principles of communism after supposedly spending 75 years knocking off foreign leaders because of a label of communism when, in fact, they were never communists to begin with. How far away are communism and fascism? They both have some very similar roots through them. Yes, they do. What we are seeing here, we are no longer free as British citizens. I have a grab bag act.

1:12:00 I have had people I know very well who would be labeled conspiracy theorists who are now under charge of arrest or have been arrested or have had their children's laptops and tablets taken off them that are now sitting with the police force whilst they look for any Twitter post or Instagram thing that might be supportive of anything that is anti-government. And I live in the United Kingdom. Yeah. What happened? Yeah, that's crazy. Go ahead, Illini.

1:12:41 I think the...

1:12:57 Probably. I really want that David Lipton moment, you know, with today's power elite. But it's, I mean, we're kind of on the other side of the cycle, right? So a lot of this stuff is reversed. It's not going to catch them by surprise. We're going to lose the element of surprise with these people. And there's going to be more of them to interview. But on the other hand, I think we'll be in a stronger position by the time we finally do sit them down.

1:13:23 And hopefully we can just ask them relatively innocuous questions. And hopefully we'll be able to see their true nature with their answers. I really hope that moment happens. And I do too. And I think that's what their ultimate fear of having Trump in the White House is. Because they will be asked those awkward questions.

1:13:51 People are going to see them for what they truly not only are but have been for a very long time. I have a comment on Mark Lane and Abraham Bolden. Go ahead. Okay. You know, we briefly mentioned – we mentioned Mark Lane a little bit here, and there's a note in the footnote section on Abraham Bolden.

1:14:20 But I don't think the book actually mentions that there was another assassination attempt in Chicago, that the Secret Service there basically foiled, that Abraham Bolden made the mistake of turning over to the Secret Service's inspector general. That resulted, of course, in Abraham Bolden wrote an autobiography about five or ten years ago claiming that that resulted in him getting framed in a bribery scandal.

1:14:49 So tell everybody about what the basis of that was, because a lot of people don't know who you're talking about. I do. But explain that to everybody. What happened in Chicago? Because there was the assertion that Dallas was not the only plan.

1:15:11 for the assassination, that there was one in Chicago and also one in Florida while he was on this series of road trips. So go ahead. If I recall correctly, there was a woman at a boarding house who basically caught two, I think she called them Puerto Rican looking men, going up to, you know, the room with the rifle. And it was along the parade route that had been planned for Kennedy.

1:15:39 the Secret Service called off the trip, and he was going to go to the Army-Navy games at Soldier Field, if I recall correctly. Right. The Secret Service had JFK feign an illness and call off the trip. Bolden reported that whole thing to the Secret Service's inspector general. He also reported that people were driving for the assassination in Dallas.

1:16:10 And then what happened was, I think he was investigating this guy for counterfeiting, and they basically came up with this really weak case. And, you know, they claimed that he was going to accept a bribe to make the case disappear. And he was basically accused by the head of the office there of doing this, as well as another agent, as well as the defendant in this case.

1:16:39 What ultimately wound up happening was one of the people wound up recanting their testimony. The defendant that he was chasing recanted his testimony and basically said that the prosecutor supported perjury in the case. And when that got to oral argument at the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago, the chief judge...

1:17:10 Basically asked the prosecutor, is this true? Back then, the prosecutors themselves handled the appeals and the prosecutor pled the fifth. Yes. So you had a Secret Service person do their job and the Secret Service framed. Now, and it's still the same Secret Service guy that we were just talking about.

1:17:41 The Secret Service framed one of their own agents in a crime that he did not commit and made his life a living hell for protecting the president. And the quote unquote Puerto Rican guys could easily have been the Cuban exiles, which were also used in the Dallas caper.

1:18:10 I mean, yeah, Mark Lane was really the hero. It was kind of a hero in this story. I mean, he got the news media's attention to this whole thing. This guy basically looks like he's been set up, number one. And I think it happened before they even did the appeal. He showed up and he basically said, hey, there was this other Chicago plot. And he got, you know, all the news media onto this guy's doorstep. And it winds up in the news. The judge had to send it back. They had to retry the guy.

1:18:40 And the second time, the judge basically instructed the jury, it looks like this guy's guilty. Which, I mean, basically violated this guy's rights. Yes. You're not supposed to do that. Yes. I mean, they did all these, I mean, they wound up sending Bolden to a medical, a mental hospital, basically, at the end of it. And they were giving him all these injections. Mark Lane tracked him down.

1:19:09 You know, accused the Nixon administration of retaliating against this guy, you know, for speaking to the press and declaring him crazy and managed to get him out of the mental ward at that hospital. They really retaliated against this guy. And Mark Lane was one of those reporters who cares about his witnesses. And that's what your government will do to you for protecting the president that they want to kill.

1:19:45 You can start to suss out who the... I don't know. You have to know some of the details and the backstory of all this, but I'm a bigger fan these days of Mark Lane than Edward J. Epstein, especially after Epstein winds up in the Jeffrey Epstein files grabbing hot dogs. Edward J. and Jeffrey wind up grabbing hot dogs in 2012 in New York City. Mark Lane is an unsung...

1:20:13 And I'm really glad that I read his book first. I've read a couple of other books. I don't think any of them are as well documented as Mark Lane. And they relentlessly attacked him. And now that we know what we know, you know the ones that scares them the most as far as truth tellers, they attack relentlessly. So anybody else have anything they wanna share?

1:20:48 They suck even more now than they did back then. I don't know. I mean, in reality, the people today, I think they're sloppier. I think that they were trained, obviously, by these same people. There's a legacy of these lies that have perpetuated throughout the decades.

1:21:18 They don't have the iron clasp that they did back then. And they also don't have the bamboozlement of, you know, any minute the Soviet Union is going to annihilate us. They have used that so extensively that people are immune to it. And I just think they've overplayed their hand.

1:21:47 The advantage, obviously, that we have is the same thing that we curse at the same time, and that's social media and the internet where the information is out there. You just have to have people dedicated to go and get it. So it's, to me, not only are they not as, because you've got to, on one hand,

1:22:17 admire the, not in a good way, but you have to admire their ability, not only to create this devious, evil network, but they were all in, like literally all in it. With every ounce of their energy in perpetuating this mission of

1:22:45 pushing us into one world government. And they hit a brick wall. They hit a brick wall with Trump's first administration. And that forced them, I think, to deploy COVID prematurely. And that was overwhelming across the entire world, a wake-up call for people.

1:23:10 And the aftermath of that was a catastrophe for them. So that's where in going back and looking at how easy it was for them to do what they did back then and how they struggle at every point now. And after the debacle of the 2020 election and their Russiagate exposure,

1:23:42 all of their stuff is now, you know, you had one or two, as we were just talking about, or even if you had an army back then of people that doubted the Warren Report, they had very small audiences. What's the lady's name? May whatever her name is, Russell.

1:24:10 You had a pocket, yeah, you had pockets of people with no ability to get past their pockets. And now you have people that have millions of people in their area. And, you know, that's good and bad because there's bad players out there as well. But it's a lot easier to expose those bad players in...

1:24:38 the social media arena. So I have lots of hope, but that's why it's so important to understand the past because it, in my opinion, it doesn't rhyme. It replicates over and over and over again. And now instead of it going for 40 or 50 years, it's now down to 72 hours.

1:25:08 the speeding of the revelations of information. Moneypenny, go ahead. So I used to be an economist at Chase Manhattan, and I had to look at a global macro perspective. To me, this is deeply embarrassing, mainly for the United States, but also for much of the Western world. Is Putin sitting there with popcorn, having a good giggle? I mean, he's been...

1:25:37 very vocal about um you know he talked about the elite um eating children and being pedophiles he set it out in the open um it's he he has to be um uh i think because he is working behind i personally believe he is working behind the scenes helping reveal all of this and um i it

1:26:07 Do we have any proof of that? I mean, you know, this whole question of whether or not this is the US having brought upon itself its own bloody mess or whether or not there is any way that this might have had any external or macro level control or influence or stimulus. I can't see it. I think that, you know, Putin and the BRICS community generally is sitting there having a bloody good laugh and working out.

1:26:37 how to take out the dollar. I mean, they must be excited. Well, they can have the dollar as far as I'm concerned. I prefer that we get rid of the Fed and all of the central banks. I agree. I agree. I do think that there is a lot of the... Look at the overall chessboard of the international community.

1:27:08 And there could have been a lot more large ramifications to things that are going on. And those much larger ramifications have not occurred. And you have to, I do anyway, I don't.

1:27:40 I'm not going to project my feelings on anybody else. But I sit back and I watch the different aspects of what's going on. And it feels to me like there are certain areas of responsibility for a few heads of state to work out solutions for.

1:28:08 Obviously, the U.S. has been given the Western Hemisphere to work on. And there has been a joint effort. For example, the peace thing that they're doing with Gaza.

1:28:41 outside influence. He would not have joined that effort. And the same thing can be seen in what's playing out in Ukraine. And the U.S. could have stepped in at any time and went to bat for Ukraine, and they have not under Trump.

1:29:08 I get the feeling that there's some type of a gentleman's agreement that Ukraine is going to be used by Putin to expose all of the corruption that's associated with the European Union. Meanwhile, the corruption in the United States and in Latin America is being dealt with by Trump.

1:29:39 There's a lot of things, and I don't know if all of you listen to Ghost of Base Patrick Henry, but his research mirrors mine. And he has the ability for a much larger audience, and he does it in a different format than I do. But if you look at all of the corruption in Venezuela and the narco-trafficking in Venezuela,

1:30:08 Colombia. You can see that they feed other points of conflict. And I'm not talking necessarily about Maduro and Chavez per se, but there is a layer outside of their country where recently there was some revelations about, in the actual documents,

1:30:38 have come out in a court case in Europe where there were people in Spain and a few other countries that were dealing with lower level entities in Venezuela in fraudulent purchase trading of their oil. And they were basically selling it.

1:31:07 Because it's a government entity. They were selling it at one rate. And then offshore of Venezuela, they were basically selling it to a broker. Well, that broker then upped the price of it and was using more than what they had told Venezuela they were going to get for the oil. I mean, the government.

1:31:32 The people at the oil company says, we're going to sell it and I'm just going to make up numbers for $50 a barrel. And they would report to the Venezuelan government that we're only going to get $50. Well, in fact, those mid-level government officials at the oil company had already rigged prices so that...

1:31:54 They were actually gonna sell it for 70 and they were gonna pocket that $20, which ends up being billions of dollars. And they were money laundering it. They were money laundering it through banks in Europe. And that is being exposed right now in court cases. And the same thing with Columbia. So you have Perez, I think that's his name.

1:32:23 who just came to the White House. And he's talking about naming banks. And he got his information from a computer system that interfaces with our FinCEN. So everybody has something, the financial system that kind of tracks money where you can tell if someone's money laundering.

1:32:52 And evidently, he was able to trace money that was being used by the narco people to American banks. And that's what he, right after his meeting with Trump, he goes out in a, and it has not been translated by anybody in the United States, but what he says in his Spanish press conference is about the U.S. banks.

1:33:23 being the money launderers now, large US banks, not small ones. And this has to do with UBS as far as the Venezuela money issue. In the past, it was Credit Suisse. And so there's just so much going on around the world. I think they're working on something between, there's been meetings.

1:33:49 And you're not hearing any of this in the mainstream media. There's been meetings between Taiwan and mainland China. So I don't know. I just think there's so much going on that most people don't pay attention to regionally that indicates to me, and it doesn't seem like that President Trump.

1:34:13 and Putin and Xi over in China with all of the shakeup that's gone over there recently, they don't seem to be stepping on each other's toes. There doesn't seem to be, like in the past, there was always these major like pissing contests between all of the major powers. And other than the trade stuff and things like that, you don't hear about those where that would have been,

1:34:42 the national security state trying to create situations to get them at each other's throat. And the national security leaders that are currently in there right now don't seem to be playing that same game. They don't seem to be able to ratchet up the level of terror or destabilization that they did in the past, which they then used.

1:35:11 to go off and do all kinds of nefarious things. So that's just my opinion. Stellar, go ahead. And what we're seeing is pretty much the dismantling of the financial and monetary system, which is the fiat system, the petrodollar that you talked about, the central banking, Federal Reserve.

1:35:37 What's going on in Ukraine and, you know, Russia a couple of years ago when they were going in to rescue the kid or, you know, go into these places were horrified by what they found. And, you know, the world was saying that, you know, he was doing nefarious stuff. But in actuality, he was he was saving the children. You know, it's kind of like Michael Jackson trying to save the children from the Hollywood pedos. You know, it kind of seems like it's set up that way. And I think that we're going to find out that Taiwan's going to have a lot of stuff, too. You know, and I think that there's things going on.

1:36:07 And I keep remembering the capitulation tour and stuff. And, you know, it seems like these countries who do not want to go on the central banking system or the Western world of things, they're the ones that get in trouble by, you know, the monsters and stuff. So that's kind of how I look at it. And I think that it's being dismantled and in some, you know, and countries will be in charge of their own selves.

1:36:32 You know, this one new world order thing, whatever it was that they tried to do, I think will be dismantled. And I do believe that there is that handshake and wink-wink, you know, because in some respects they're cleaning out their areas of the world, like you were saying. I'll yield. Let me just, I've got to say this.

1:36:53 Crystal clear vision over on Rumble. After eight months, I finally watched all the past videos of the Colonel's channel. Now I'm going through the missed Project Gladio videos on Alpha Warriors channel. God bless you. That's true dedication. Illini, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. I was trying to figure out, you know, whatever happened to the Rockefellers?

1:37:20 They were big in the 70s and everything. And I started going through Jeffrey Epstein's emails just now, and I realized that they actually did a deal in 2015 where some of the Rockefeller's descendants were working on this big transaction with the Rothschilds.

1:37:45 So, number one, the Rockefeller family was still involved with Jeffrey Epstein in 2015. They are still out there behind the scenes. And number two, for all those people who are running around claiming it's a conspiracy theory that the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds do business together.

1:38:08 The Epstein files prove that they actually do. It's not a conspiracy theory. They're talking about this deal structure with Ariane de Rothschild and the Rockefellers, and they're talking about puts and calls in there. I don't know. It looks like some sort of a complex structured product, but they are doing business together. It's this very informal language, almost as if...

1:38:36 It's it's too Jeffrey Epstein is almost sort of conducting this as, you know, two close family friends putting together a complex business transaction. Yeah. And it's amazing. So that kind of ultimately, you know, you've ultimately got, you know, you know, Nelson. I mean, Nelson Rockefeller is clearly the man behind the U.S. deep state. He puts.

1:39:06 Kissinger, I mean, he's the guy who gets Kissinger into office. You know, the Dulles brothers, you know, wind up in Washington, D.C. after being the Rockefeller's lawyers. You've got, you know, ultimately, David Rockefeller, Epstein credits him with putting him on the CFR. David Rockefeller is running the CFR. He's, I mean, the Rockefeller billers are the American deep state. And of course, the Rothschilds.

1:39:35 go back all the way to the Balfour Declaration, even further than that. So you've got these two powerful families in the United States and in Europe doing business together. It shouldn't be a surprise to us that everything that comes out of those people who were able to get those political sorts of operations done that we can see in public, that the CIA, MI6,

1:40:05 Mossad would all kind of be working together too. Yeah. So in understanding, you know, the dilemma three years ago and trying to come up with something that described the international syndicate and then the Praetorian Guard of the intelligence agencies that protect all of their investments and wealth.

1:40:28 and provides ample opportunity for them to go into foreign countries and exploit them. And that's kind of the multi-layered entity that is being exposed right now. Freedom, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. Thanks for having me up. I think it was Friday, the end of the space, you were explaining to us limited hangout.

1:40:58 And I meant to ask you, I just didn't get the question then. You know, you were saying how people would have to read kind of multiple different books in order to get an understanding of the bigger picture because the actors would only kind of reveal part of the story.

1:41:24 Was that like because they were doing that intentionally to be deceptive or was that because they only had part of the story? And is that kind of the same thing that we now refer to as controlled opposition or are those different? So controlled opposition in my mind is having.

1:41:46 someone that appears, and I'll use the political parties as an example, where you have someone that is labeled a Republican, but undermines and provides intel back to the quote unquote opposition. So they're supposedly the opponents in the whole,

1:42:16 institution of Republican versus Democrat is controlled opposition because the same people fund both sides of it. So they just appear to be opponents when they are both controlled. You have other examples of that where you create, like in the case of the CIA, they would create both left-wing student

1:42:44 entities or labor parties and right wings and it appears to us to be that and they they will vocally um um appear to be completely different and opposing um particular issues when in fact all they're doing is moving us all down towards the same end state of this massive government

1:43:14 apparatus, but we feel comfort in thinking that someone is out there fighting for us when whichever side you identify with, when in fact, they're just, they've already got the noose around us and like, or the dog leash, the collar, and they're just leading us on to the same cattle car. And that's my biggest frustration with the foot soldiers in all of these different

1:43:45 sex of controlled opposition is they don't realize because they're, I don't know, been fed too many drugs or whatever, they're getting on the same cattle car with everybody else. They may be out there fighting against some pre-programmed word salad agenda, but they're not going to be around at the end. They will knock them off because they're

1:44:13 witnesses to the nefarious crap. And that happens in every one of these revolutions that have been orchestrated is the actual foot soldiers don't make it to the end because they can't be around to tell everybody that the entire thing was set up. And so that's really what controlled.

1:44:38 opposition is. It's when you're controlling both sides of an argument, but it's made to appear that they're two separate entities. Limited hangout's a little different. Limited hangout is, and I would argue that that's what all the congressional hearings and commissions and whatever has always been about, committee meetings, committee hearings, whatever.

1:45:05 is they will give you enough information to make it seem like whatever they're revealing is profound, but they're not going to tell you everything. And authors can do it both knowingly and unknowingly. Some authors will, and once you understand the language, some authors actually tell you a whole lot more than they think they're.

1:45:32 telling you. For example, when I read The Determined Spy about Frank Wisner, I don't think that author understood what stay-behind units were. I don't think he, because it's written as kind of almost like an offhanded comment and admitting, because they've never told anybody in America what they are. It's not been written about extensively here. There's basically no knowledge as

1:45:57 our audience can attest to because they'd never heard of it before. I'd never heard of it before. And, you know, I'm supposedly educated in the military and their operations. So when they tell you a certain amount of information, after you've read several books, you can understand what their agenda is. So some of them will tell you some two or three new

1:46:25 pieces of information that they quote unquote discovered, whether it was given to them or not. I don't know because we know now that the CIA commissions people to write books. And so they will give you a little bit of information, but what they're holding back is like 10 times more. I've never met any of these authors other than Paul Williams. So I don't know what amount they knew.

1:46:53 and didn't put in that book. So I can't really assign a motive to it. But I basically imagine that a lot of the books that I pass up because of knowing who the author is and their associations of networking with intelligence agencies, if I can discover that, I won't buy their book. Because to me, it's just...

1:47:20 Something the CIA wants me to know, and I don't care what they want me to know. Other authors who appear to be independent of these networks, although just like Alain, I just pointed out, we thought that the non-Jeffrey Epstein, Epstein was.

1:47:38 independent of that to some degree, but he wasn't as obvious him hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. So you have to really assess the credibility of the author in their, basically their background before you even start to read the book, which I do. And then you go and you look at all of the footnotes and the sources they're using. And you can kind of get a feel for

1:48:07 before you ever even open page one, you can kind of get a feel for the material. And then once you start reading it, there's been two books I just threw in the trash because they literally were regurgitating other people's work that I had already read, some footnotes, some not footnoted, and they were spinning a web.

1:48:33 After you've got a knack for the material, you can tell when they're doing that. So limited hangout is more appropriate, not necessarily in books, but in articles that are much shorter read time. And they will give you like some little tidbit of information. And then the rest of the article is bullshit.

1:48:58 So you find the one thing that you know is true and it adds validity to the rest of the information, even though the rest of the information is not true. And that's kind of my definition of a limited hangout. When a author knows and it's unequivocally true that they knew that there was much more to the story, but they're going to limit what they write in there in order to lead you down a primrose path.

1:49:27 to the wrong impression of the little bit of truth that's in there. So that's kind of the way I use the terms. Okay, thank you. And so it seems like now we have good guys that are kind of, I guess the only word I could think of is like,

1:49:58 doing controlled opposition but for for for good uh or is there a better term that we would use for them or would we not even really want to like highlight or talk about them because that would kind of be counterproductive so you have to and i'll use the example that i use a lot is operation gray lord if you're going to take down an inherently corrupt system

1:50:25 it's almost impossible to do it from the outside. You have to infiltrate people because it's basically an operation. So you have to infiltrate the corrupt entity with patriots, people that are legit, in order to identify the extensive nature.

1:50:51 And the parties involved in it. And it's almost impossible to do from the outside. So is there operations currently ongoing where good guys have been infiltrated into networks that are very nefarious? I would have to believe that that is true. Because every operation ever ran that has been even semi-effective,

1:51:21 has been ran that way. You can use the word informant. You can use several different words that are kind of the technical, confidential, human, source, whatever, confidential, informant, whatever. And those people, and you're also going to find people on the inside that once they've been identified as being part of the corrupt,

1:51:45 that they will turn state's evidence against higher ups in that network and you just work your way up to the top. That's the way these operations normally work. It works the same way on the battlefield where you try to infiltrate the foreign forces. And, you know, if the CIA was legitimate, that's what we would have been doing. We would have been infiltrating.

1:52:13 actual enemies, not made up enemies whose resources we wanted to steal, in order to be able to understand and create a valid threat assessment. We know that they did that and falsified threat assessments in order to justify doing nefarious things to countries. So I would imagine, I have no evidence of any of that, but I would imagine that that's exactly what's happening. And I would caution people.

1:52:44 that there are public figures who appear to be bad that may or may not be bad. We obviously know there's a lot of them that appear to be good that are very bad. It's impossible at our level to be able to identify who they are. And that's why you don't find me out the minute something drops, jumping on a bandwagon saying this person is a deadbeat.

1:53:13 or whatever, I ask questions. And I could make that argument on both sides, as I indicated over the last couple of days about Bannon. Could he have been inserted into the bad guy's network? He could have. Could he be bad? Sure, he could be bad too. I don't have any way of assessing one way or the other. And I could make an argument.

1:53:42 a couple of different positions on that. I mean, it just came out today that Trump pardoned him or whatever the appropriate word is for his January 6th thing. And you also have to understand if he's a bad guy and he got hired by...

1:54:12 Trump and then obviously quickly fired during Trump's first administration because of leaks, that makes him obviously a bad guy. But if he was Trump's person and they wanted to dirty him up to make it look like Trump really thinks he's on the bad side, you would do the exact same thing. You would bring him in, let him leak a few things.

1:54:41 fire him, and then he has instant street creds as being still viable as an operative on the inside of their network. So you can make arguments on both sides of that. We just don't have enough information to figure it out. And anybody that tells you they do, they don't. Got it. Thank you, Colonel. Sure. Renee, go ahead.

1:55:07 Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. This is directed to Moneypenny. Moneypenny, I DM'd you a couple handles that I think may help you on your side of the pond. One is Promethean Action, the ladies, Susan Kokinda, and I believe the other lady is Barbara. They speak of a lot of...

1:55:32 British, UK current goings-on, as well as historical that you may find interesting, as well as another person, Alex Cranor. He's in the EU as well. So they are pretty great individuals, handles to follow.

1:55:58 For a different perspective of what's going on in the EU, internationally, etc., Alex Cranor always shares the metaphor of the ants in the jar. I don't know if any of you have heard that, probably so. He shares this metaphor of black ants and red ants in a jar.

1:56:21 And they are all getting along just fine until someone comes along and shakes the jar and shakes the jar again and shakes the jar again. And it irritates and makes the ants become aggressive against each other when otherwise they were getting along just fine. And what that kind of shares with us and where we are right now in the world is.

1:56:51 Who is really shaking the jar? And I've heard you comment, you know, like the U.S. and the West. And funnily enough, I mean, the whole world, I think, as we've learned through the colonel and war hamster and a lot of people here is that we've all been fed a lot of propaganda and lies in our school systems, from our news sources, etc. You know, I mean.

1:57:21 I'm sure to perhaps people in the UK, the US is the boogeyman and the bad guy. And ironically, over here, we are finding out our own boogeyman and bad guys. But we also hear that the UK is the boogeyman and the bad guy. And other people find out that Putin is the boogeyman and China is the boogeyman. And there's a lot of, you know, this is just constant propaganda and these intelligent.

1:57:51 intelligence agencies and mainstream media. I mean, everything is so infiltrated internationally that it's been doctors and BS artists. And we are all coming to this point where we are starting to see who is really behind the curtain and who is really...

1:58:16 Who's really shaking the jar right now? And I just wanted to share that with you. But we've all been duped and lied to and propagandized and brainwashed and swangolied the whole nine yards. And hopefully with what Colonel has taught us all here is that by all of this being exposed and coming to the surface and coming to light.

1:58:46 which it seems like we're on that path, this is what will unify the majority of us here. Yeah, thank you for that. I think the thing, to be honest, that has made the US the boogeyman is Donald Trump having slapped 30-40% tariffs on every other country in the world. Yeah, the girls at Promethean Action really go into a different perspective of...

1:59:13 the tariffs that you may find interesting so highly recommend um giving them a follow and a listen i've followed you back so thank you very much for that i do appreciate great great pleasure pleasure best of luck over there for rooting for you thank you thank you yes all right why are you so mad and then a line i and then i've got to run go ahead why are you so mad um two things real quick um

1:59:37 For some reason, the thing that keeps popping up in my head is what happened to Prime Minister Abe and the former Prime Minister Abe in Japan and whatever they concluded from that assassination. And then the second thing that I wanted to look at is I see the article that's up on the big screen there. And there is another great article that was written in 2007.

2:00:04 I can't remember who wrote it, but it was in Physicians for Life. It goes into a lot more detail about the baby farms and stem cell research that was done in Ukraine. But yeah, the thing about the former prime minister, Abe, that seemed like following a playbook of one solo crazy guy who happened to be able to get a weapon that was actually man-made.

2:00:34 made by parts into the country and so close and his his security also um his secret service well the what they call it over there also failing him and i'm curious if anybody has done any more research on that or looked into it in more depth if so if they could like share that information that would be um really good and wonderful uh space today colonel

2:01:02 Always looking forward to hearing you when I can. Keep up the great work, you and Bridget. Thank you. We did a show on that assassination. I don't know. It was a long time ago, though. So I'll see if I can find that. Illini, go ahead. There's a book out there called Blind to Betrayal by Judith Frade. And then there's probably better books out there than this. But it's a good explanation for why.

2:01:32 We always just sort of go along with all the authority figures in our lives, even when everybody around us is saying, giving us evidence to the contrary. It happens in relationships. It happens in organizations. And obviously, it happens in the country, too.

2:02:00 And, yeah, there's probably going to be some mental trauma in terms of disentangling, you know, everything that happened over the past 80 years or so and getting to, you know, the bottom of it. But for anybody out there who needs a book and is kind of confused and just sort of feels like psychologically bamboozled, it's a helpful book. Yeah.

2:02:29 Yeah, there's definitely gonna be some side effects, good and bad. Okay, so that's it for today. We'll be back tomorrow and hopefully finish the book tomorrow. And I'm going to be on a call tonight with Warhamster and the guy in Australia that's gonna help us try to brain map some of our work.

2:03:00 Wish us luck on that. And I will talk to you guys tomorrow. Take care.

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Lyndon B. Johnson appointed Earl Warren book_quoted ▶ 2:18

“We're talking about the Warren Commission. As we all know, the Warren Commission was named after Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. And he basically had to be strong-armed by President Johnson i…”

Allen Dulles member_of Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 2:50

“As attorney Mark Lane, one of the first critics of the lone gunman's theory, later observed, it should have been called the Dulles Commission because of course it should. His dominant role in the inve…”

Lyndon B. Johnson removed_from_power Allen Dulles book_quoted ▶ 3:21

“as a deflection because of the questions being asked about Dulles' involvement after his firing by JFK. Although the Chief Justice was a former Republican governor of California and the Eisenhowers ap…”

Allen Dulles recruited J. Lee Rankin book_quoted ▶ 6:28

“As an assistant attorney general in Eisenhower's Justice Department, Olney had earned the wrath of the FBI Hoover for his aggressive prosecution of civil rights cases and was suspected as being hostil…”

Allen Dulles supplied_arms_to Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 7:30

“other remaining members of the trio to set up a pretend investigation, keeping the focus tightly on Oswald and avoiding any areas that had the faintest tinge of conspiracy. Dulles tried to establish t…”

Allen Dulles spied_on Lee Harvey Oswald book_quoted ▶ 9:23

“That was written by Dulles in a July 1964 memo. Is that possible? Dulles was particularly eager to explore any leads suggesting Oswald might be a Soviet spy, a soon discredited idea that Angleton woul…”

Allen Dulles covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 11:44

“in their failure to protect the president. The Warren Commission was, in fact, so thoroughly infiltrated and guided by the security services that there was no possibility of the panel pursuing an inde…”

FBI covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 12:12

“Despite the chronic tension between the CIA and the FBI, Hoover proved a useful partner during the JFK inquiry. The FBI chief knew that his organization had its own secrets to hide related to the assa…”

James Jesus Angleton member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 12:40

“Angry Hoover would later mete out punishment for errors such as this, quietly disciplining 17 agents. But the FBI director was desperate to avoid public censure, and he fully supported the commission'…”

Raymond Rocca member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 13:07

“He met regularly with bureau contacts like William Sullivan and Sam Papich, P-A-P-I-C-H. Angleton and his team also provided ongoing support and advice to Dulles. On a Saturday afternoon in March of 1…”

Marguerite Oswald exposed CIA book_quoted ▶ 13:36

“That the commission was grappling with. How could the panel dispel persistent rumors that the CIA had somehow became a sponsor of Oswald's? The story had broken in the press the previous month when Ma…”

Allen Dulles covered_up CIA book_quoted ▶ 14:04

“that Dulles be given the job of clearing the CIA by reviewing all of the relevant agency documents that were provided to the commission. But even Dulles thought this smacked of an inside job because i…”

John McCone succeeded Allen Dulles book_quoted ▶ 15:02

“Suggestion, as Dulles pointed out, I might have a little problem on that, he said. Having been the CIA director until November 1961, there was a simple solution, however. Put his successor, John McCon…”

Richard Helms member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 15:29

“When McComb appeared before the Warren Commission, he brought along Helms, his chief of clandestine operations. As McComb was well aware, Helms was the man who knew where all the bodies were buried, a…”

Richard Helms covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 16:27

“He was aware of how the agency had monitored the defector during his exploits in Dallas, New Orleans, and Mexico. David Phillips, a man whose career had been nurtured by Helms, had been meeting with O…”

David Atlee Phillips spied_on Lee Harvey Oswald book_quoted ▶ 16:27

Richard Helms covered_up CIA book_quoted ▶ 16:58

“Had the agency provided the commission with all the information it had on Oswald, he was asked. We have all of it, Helms replied, though he knew the files that he had handed over had already been purg…”

Raymond Rocca covered_up Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 18:22

“of a heart attack. I guess the word had gotten out. But Rocha, the veteran counterintelligence agent assigned to babysit the commission, made sure nothing turned up. Quote, I came to like and trust Ro…”

James Jesus Angleton targeted_for_regime_change David Slauson book_quoted ▶ 19:49

“that he was friendly with the president of USC, and he wanted to make sure that Slauson was going to remain a friend of the CIA. In other words, he was threatening him. Far from shuffling through the …”

Allen Dulles recruited Rebecca West book_quoted ▶ 21:51

“who passed along tips and bits of gossip related to the case, as well as British novelist Rebecca West. In March, Dulles wrote West, asking her to draw on her imagination to come up with a possible mo…”

Mark Lane exposed Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 22:51

“that Lane had apparently told a conference of lawyers in Budapest that the killers, plural, of JFK were still at large. Even I am amazed that Lane had the temerity to go to Budapest and shoot off his …”

Thomas Buchanan exposed Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 23:21

“about European opinions of the Kennedy assassination. They were urged, and they urged the commission to closely monitor Lane and Thomas Buchanan, a Paris-based American journalist who had written the …”

Allen Dulles covered_up Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 24:18

“Warren was very upset by the news report, which suggested that the commission had rushed to judgment before hearing all the evidence. The leak was clearly intended to counter the publicity being gener…”

C.D. Jackson covered_up United States Secret Service book_quoted ▶ 27:07

“and leaping onto the rear. It was an outrageous display of professional incompetence, if you want to call it incompetence, one that Robert Kennedy immediately suspected that the presidential guard was…”

C.D. Jackson covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 28:24

“Soon after the assassination, Dillon and others had begun circulating fake stories that Kennedy had preferred his Secret Service guards to ride behind his motorcade instead of on the side rails, and t…”

Allen Dulles covered_up CIA book_quoted ▶ 29:23

“Only about 10% of the report dealt with the actual facts of the case. On Dulles' insistence, most of it was taken up with filler, like the biography of Oswald in exhaustive detail, managing to avoid a…”

Allen Dulles covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 32:55

“bullshit disinformation to cover up the government's complicity in the assassination of the president. And the writers, the quote-unquote reporters, they're not reporters, they're disinformation propa…”

Gerald Ford appointed James J. Dillon host_asserted ▶ 33:30

“appointed Dillon to another panel that examined a possible CIA connection to the Kennedy assassination. Listen to this. The same Dillon that refused to give the Warren Commission the Secret Service re…”

Allen Dulles member_of Warren Commission host_asserted ▶ 34:02

“of the United States from assassination, was selected by Dulles' partner on the Warren Commission, at the time, Congressman Gerald Ford. You fast forward, we get rid of Nixon, Ford becomes president, …”

James J. Dillon member_of United States Secret Service host_asserted ▶ 34:35

“Dylan, the guy that was in charge of the Secret Service during the assassination. Or I'm sorry, he picked Nelson Rockefeller. Let's get this correct. The 1975 commission was chaired by the lifelong fr…”

Nelson Rockefeller headed Rockefeller Commission host_asserted ▶ 34:35

Gerald Ford appointed Nelson Rockefeller host_asserted ▶ 34:35

Lyman Lemnitzer founded Operation Northwoods host_asserted ▶ 35:46

“Anybody want to guess who that is? Because you're going to just shit bricks when I give you this name. Lyman frickin' Lemitzer. Lyman Lemitzker. Now, why do I say it like that? Lyman Lemitzker, retire…”

John F. Kennedy reassigned Lyman Lemnitzer host_asserted ▶ 36:24

“Using Operation Gladio tactics of Cuban exiles dressed up as Cuban soldiers to kill Americans to justify a ground invasion of Cuba. Lyman Lemonsker, who as a result of riding Operation Northwood, was …”

Lyman Lemnitzer targeted_for_regime_change Charles de Gaulle host_asserted ▶ 36:24

John F. Kennedy removed_from_power Lyman Lemnitzer host_asserted ▶ 36:24

Lyman Lemnitzer headed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 36:24

Lyman Lemnitzer member_of Rockefeller Commission host_asserted ▶ 37:24

“to the United States for a terrorist attack, i.e. killing our president. That Lyman Lemesker was part of the 1975 commission to reinvestigate the Warren commission. You just literally cannot make this…”

Richard Russell member_of Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 37:56

“Following the release of the Warren report, there are still a few murmurs of doubt, including some within the commission itself. Senator Russell, who strongly suspected that Oswald had been backed by …”

William P. Bundy member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 38:27

“over in Foggy Bottom was among those who did not find the Warren Commission surprisingly convincing. I think he accepted the Warren report, but did he believe it? That's another matter, Bundy's daught…”

David Lifton member_of California State University, Los Angeles book_quoted ▶ 40:21

“would make them a target of media mockery. But they were doing the work the American press refused to do. Among this band of loosely connected independent researchers was a 26-year-old UCLA graduate s…”

David Lifton exposed Allen Dulles book_quoted ▶ 48:47

“like Dulles at the time of their duel. It was the way he looked, his eyes. He was just evil. They were very, very scary. David Lifton was the only person who ever gave Alan Dulles a taste of what it w…”

Allen Dulles funded The Secret Surrender book_quoted ▶ 51:38

“to put in the lobby of the CIA. That same year, Dulles published a rose-colored memoir of his World War II spy days called The Secret Surrender. And with the help of a former CIA comrade, Tracy Barnes…”

Allen Dulles funded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 52:07

“That when it came to dealing with the movie industry, even espionage wizards were sometimes at a loss. Or perhaps trying to turn SS General Wolf into a screen hero was a bit too much. Because that boo…”

J. Lee Rankin member_of Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 54:34

“lauded the book in the Washington Post and used his review to call for a reopening of the investigation, a bombshell that marked the first time a member of Kennedy's inner circle had issued such a cal…”

Arlen Specter member_of Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 54:34

Arlen Specter concocted Warren Report host_asserted ▶ 55:01

“concocting the infamous magic bullet theory to reinforce the lone gunman story. Yes, that was the fake story created by Lee Rankin and Arlen Specter. As the groundswell of a call for a new investigati…”

J. Lee Rankin concocted Warren Report host_asserted ▶ 55:01

CIA covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 55:56

“The propaganda campaign on behalf of the Warren Report was primarily run out of the CIA by Dulles, Angleton, and Ray Rocha, the same people involved in the cover-up. In 1967, CIA documents later relea…”

Raymond Rocca member_of CIA documented ▶ 55:56

James Jesus Angleton member_of CIA documented ▶ 55:56

Allen Dulles member_of CIA documented ▶ 55:56

CIA spied_on Mark Lane book_quoted ▶ 59:11

“to smear anybody who questions them. And we see it every single day today. That's why you know the media is still working for the CIA. It's the same playbook over and over. According to Lane, the CIA …”

Jim Garrison exposed CIA book_quoted ▶ 1:02:29

“I had only a hunch that the federal intelligence community had somehow been involved in the assassination, but I did not know which branch or branches. As time passed and more leads turned up, however…”

Jeffrey Epstein member_of Mossad host_asserted ▶ 1:08:45

“a part of an elite, degrading, divorced, horrendous community that is just as bad as Epstein in my books. Oh, absolutely. Well, I would argue that Epstein was a runner boy for them. Oh, that was my qu…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack United Kingdom host_asserted ▶ 1:10:19

“The absolute looping pictures of what's happening in China and telling everybody in Britain that this is the best trade deal we have ever done, that we are aligned with China rather than the US. What …”

United States Secret Service covered_up Chicago assassination plot guest_asserted ▶ 1:14:20

“But I don't think the book actually mentions that there was another assassination attempt in Chicago, that the Secret Service there basically foiled, that Abraham Bolden made the mistake of turning ov…”

Abraham Bolden exposed Chicago assassination plot guest_asserted ▶ 1:15:39

“the Secret Service called off the trip, and he was going to go to the Army-Navy games at Soldier Field, if I recall correctly. Right. The Secret Service had JFK feign an illness and call off the trip.…”

United States Secret Service framed Abraham Bolden guest_asserted ▶ 1:17:41

“The Secret Service framed one of their own agents in a crime that he did not commit and made his life a living hell for protecting the president. And the quote unquote Puerto Rican guys could easily h…”

Mark Lane exposed Abraham Bolden guest_asserted ▶ 1:18:10

“I mean, yeah, Mark Lane was really the hero. It was kind of a hero in this story. I mean, he got the news media's attention to this whole thing. This guy basically looks like he's been set up, number …”

Trump administration framed Abraham Bolden guest_asserted ▶ 1:19:09

“You know, accused the Nixon administration of retaliating against this guy, you know, for speaking to the press and declaring him crazy and managed to get him out of the mental ward at that hospital. …”

Rockefeller funded Jeffrey Epstein guest_asserted ▶ 1:37:45

“So, number one, the Rockefeller family was still involved with Jeffrey Epstein in 2015. They are still out there behind the scenes. And number two, for all those people who are running around claiming…”

Rockefeller member_of Rothschild family guest_asserted ▶ 1:38:08

“The Epstein files prove that they actually do. It's not a conspiracy theory. They're talking about this deal structure with Ariane de Rothschild and the Rockefellers, and they're talking about puts an…”

Dulles family member_of Rockefeller guest_asserted ▶ 1:39:06

“Kissinger, I mean, he's the guy who gets Kissinger into office. You know, the Dulles brothers, you know, wind up in Washington, D.C. after being the Rockefeller's lawyers. You've got, you know, ultima…”

Nelson Rockefeller appointed Henry Kissinger guest_asserted ▶ 1:39:06

Jeffrey Epstein appointed David Rockefeller guest_asserted ▶ 1:39:06

Mossad member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:40:05

“Mossad would all kind of be working together too. Yeah. So in understanding, you know, the dilemma three years ago and trying to come up with something that described the international syndicate and t…”

The Determined Spy member_of Frank Wisner documented ▶ 1:45:32

“telling you. For example, when I read The Determined Spy about Frank Wisner, I don't think that author understood what stay-behind units were. I don't think he, because it's written as kind of almost …”

Jeffrey Epstein member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:47:38

“independent of that to some degree, but he wasn't as obvious him hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. So you have to really assess the credibility of the author in their, basically their background befor…”

Donald Trump pardoned Steve Bannon documented ▶ 1:53:42

“a couple of different positions on that. I mean, it just came out today that Trump pardoned him or whatever the appropriate word is for his January 6th thing. And you also have to understand if he's a…”

Donald Trump appointed Steve Bannon host_asserted ▶ 1:53:42

Donald Trump removed_from_power Steve Bannon host_asserted ▶ 1:54:12

“Trump and then obviously quickly fired during Trump's first administration because of leaks, that makes him obviously a bad guy. But if he was Trump's person and they wanted to dirty him up to make it…”

Blind to Betrayal member_of Judith Frade documented ▶ 2:01:02

“Always looking forward to hearing you when I can. Keep up the great work, you and Bridget. Thank you. We did a show on that assassination. I don't know. It was a long time ago, though. So I'll see if …”