The Colonel’s Corner Safe for Democracy Part 5 (6)

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1:29 So we are doing the book, Safe for Democracy, the name of the chapter we're on, the kind of experience we need in quotations, which is never a good thing. All right. So we're going to pick up where we left off. At the heart of the denied areas stood the Soviet Union itself. The rush to make contact among exiles and others with knowledge of the Soviet Union gave the immigrants a great incentive to produce.

1:59 information for American consumption, whether it was true or not. There became a paper mill of information. Much of it was bogus, quote unquote, intelligence. One immigrant told the Galen people that nine-tenths of what the American were buying was created out of whole cloth. Still, the CIA, in their infamous wisdom, decided they really didn't have a choice.

2:32 And they had lots of money to spend. So they continued to spend it on bogus intelligence. And I say bogus intelligence, there was a method to their madness. They wanted all of it. They used all of it. They used all of it to psychologically declare war on the American people because they created assessments based on what they knew to be 90%.

3:00 fake intelligence in order to create the boogeyman of the Soviet Union. Knowing that the majority of it was not real, but it served its purpose because they used it to attack us with this fiction of the Soviet Union and all of its nefarious aspects. And I'm not saying the Soviet Union is good. Do not misunderstand me.

3:31 The majority of the intelligence that was disguised as intelligence was bullshit. The principal organization during that time that was providing this information was the OUN and the NTS. The OUN, of course, we recognize because it still exists today in Ukraine.

4:04 It was the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, which is the nice way of saying the Ukrainian Nazis. They had been founded by refugees in Paris as early as the 1920s. From its beginning, the Soviets considered the OUN a threat. In Ukraine, OUN established resistance groups and carried out sabotage.

4:35 including in World War II, but they were already at it before that. At that time, nationalist Stefan Bandera was serving a life sentence for his murder of a Polish minister. Bandera escaped during the Germans' 1939 invasion of Poland to be the elected head of the OUN. Two years later, the Germans invaded

5:07 Russia and Bandera and other OUN leaders appealed for Ukrainian freedom. Some saw the Ukrainians as associating themselves with the German occupiers. Bandera became disillusioned with the Germans and was imprisoned by them. And let me just say, there's other versions of this that we've went over in the past. There's a lot of, Bandera and Gladbed and all of the people that were,

5:37 that went with the German Nazis forward into Russia were promised by Hitler that they would be given their own country in the aftermath of World War II. And Hitler didn't mean that. They weren't going to do that. They were going to occupy everything.

6:06 not necessarily recognize Ukrainian as its own country. But they did that in order to appease and co-opt this resistance movement. And you had, this is where Galen, because Galen was the Eastern Front intelligence guy, and Otto Skorzeny was there with him, creating this stay-behind capability using the nationalist.

6:36 in Ukraine. Bandera is still celebrated as a hero among the Ukrainian Nazis today. Everything about him has been glamorized. He was a ruthless killer, killing entire villages of people. Because back in that day, there were several Ukrainian Nazi leaders that were

7:07 nationalists that were vying for what was promised to them as a Ukrainian country. And as a result of that, they kind of tried to out-compete each other in being the most vicious Nazi-like figure in order to be the one that was going to eventually be supported by the Nazi Hitler government.

7:36 if they were to win. As a result of that, there are some people who have quite a bit of documentation that the quote-unquote arrest of Bandera and the positioning of him in the German camp was around the same time that they were pre-positioning people.

8:04 for the aftermath of World War II so that he could be among those future leaders now that we know that the Nazis aren't going to win. And this happened with several of these people. They found their way into Western, into camps that they anticipated were far enough West.

8:34 that they would fall under either the British or the American oversight so that they could be then, in some cases, ratlined out of there. But anyway, end up in Western hands to continue this fight under what we now call Operation Gladio. Bandera became, let's see, he agreed to resume cooperation.

9:05 towards the end of the war. In 1943, Bandera participated in conferences of ethnic minorities under the anti-Bolshevik front. In the mid-1944, Bandera and other Ukrainians formed the Supreme Liberation Council to fight the Soviets. During the Russian-German war, OUN was armed by the Germans.

9:38 Many Ukrainians fought in auxiliaries, basically stay-behinds. They were trained by Otto Skorzeny in some cases, not exclusively, but he was in that area. An entire division of Nazi SS was composed of Ukrainians. Whole units of Ukrainian German officers included later formed the core of the UPA partisan army.

10:06 the force behind the band of soldiers who appeared in Germany in 1947. Ukrainians claim to have 50,000 soldiers by September of 1944, scattered throughout Ukraine, southern Poland, and eastern Czechoslovakia. From that summer, when the last German troops were driven from Russia, the OUN fought on its own. This was partisan warfare on a grand scale, and it did not end.

10:36 On Victory Day, Courier's link increasingly broken down after May of 1946, but in 1947, OUN leaders still claimed as many as 100,000 partisans. In 1946, Soviet officials demanded the extradition of Bandera. By then, he had been ensconced into the American occupation zone of Germany, labeled a war criminal. Instead,

11:07 He was kept under surveillance by the army counterintelligence. He was known as any face to prevent attempts against him. Warned to hide even though the CIC had information potentially implicating him in war crimes. Bandera just magically disappeared, you know, like so many of them.

11:38 Especially the ones that were in that camp that the British monitored in the Rimini area of Italy. They just mysteriously walked right out of camp. Americans told the Russians they had no idea where he was. Meanwhile, Bandera's organization, with the help of British intelligence, reinvented the wartime anti-Bolshevik front called the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, ABN.

12:09 It was a multinational, fascist, anti-democratic union that long outlasted the secret war against Russia. Partisan struggles continued in Ukraine, including those parts relocated within Poland and Czechoslovakia by Stalin's border changes. Ukrainians had suffered terribly in this war. Three million sent to Germany as forced labor.

12:38 half that number still missing, two and a half million killed. There were plenty of reasons for them to support the OUN and very few to welcome Stalin's return. Stalin posted Red Army forces in Ukraine. Party activists sent to the Ukraine and Moldova included Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Chernenko.

13:08 Post-war work in South Russia became a stepping stone to power for Soviet leaders. Krukov became the Odessa military district commander. He had distinguished himself in the war and was perhaps Stalin's best general. Krukov's mission involved threatening Turkey, from which Russia wanted concessions.

13:39 But the State Department intelligence reports in 1947 observed that Krukoff was being used to stabilize Ukraine. With Krukoff in command, military operations now assumed major proportions. Soviet and Eastern Europe reports in 1946 several times claimed that there was liquidation of partisans, meaning resistance.

14:09 whom the Soviet typically associated with Nazis, because many of them were. In the spring of 1947, the Polish army, officered by Russians, began evacuating local populations. There was also coordinated attacks in the tri-border region by Polish, Czech, and Soviet forces. But the OUN remained powerful. The partisans' resistance

14:38 struck back when the Polish vice minister of defense was killed. While Czech security strove to seal the border, they proved unable to prevent Ukrainian infiltration. The fall of the Czech defense minister, General Ludwig Svoboda, estimated that hundreds of partisans were still at large.

15:05 The Poles claimed the elimination of six UPA brigade groups with 2,000 partisans killed or captured. Khrushchev declared the Ukrainian people have destroyed an insignificant bunch of Ukrainian nationalists and will annihilate the remnants of them.

15:37 military operations against them. Khrushchev's January 1948 speech talked of a struggle that was far from over. Members of the unit had escaped to Germany, estimating the OUN armed strength to be around 50,000 to 200,000 soldiers. They also revealed details of the structure of this force, administratively organized by regiment and flight.

16:08 fighting platoons as if it was a real military. The data about the UPA's capabilities did not prevent State Department intelligence from concluding that resistance no longer seemed serious, but it also did not prevent Ukrainian appeals. A conference of immigrants in New York appealed to President Truman in August of 47, saying Ukraine is fighting for its freedom.

16:37 by means of its powerful insurgent army. In Washington, there was growing interest in these operations. In 1948, the NSC study advocated ties with anti-Soviet groups as a prime means of acquiring information. Frank Wisner demanding the Galen organization get agents into Russia. Division Chief Franklin Lindsay labored to get the projects going. Lindsay's

17:08 Helping Lindsay was Harry Rogeski. He looked at the Pentagon's wish list as pie in the sky on exactly how to do it. But the hour was late in Ukraine. Many of the partisan companies were down to cadre levels. Although one unit conducted a daring five-day raid into Romania, one of the commanders in the Nationalist Army,

17:41 In 1949, ordered deactivation and conversion to an underground stay-behind configuration. The CIA's Ukraine operation began two days later when two agents dropped by parachute after a flight from Germany into the area. Like so many, the CIA project became a joint effort with the Brits. Wisner's office differed with London over the immigrant factions.

18:13 The Brits chose the OUN. The CIA believed the tide of history had turned against them and preferred the Russian social democratic group called NTS. It stood for National Labor Alliance. The NTS formed in Belgrade in the 1930s among immigrants of the first wave opposed to both Soviet and the Tsarist rule.

18:43 It espoused preliminary democracy. Like OUN, the NTS maintained courier service into Russia and tried to establish networks. Like Bandera, it had collaborated in the early days with Germany as well. But unlike OUN, NTS made no efforts at partisan war. Rather, they had developed a theory in which

19:11 Widening sectors of society would oppose communism and ultimately overthrow the Soviet rule. These views were advanced in pamphlets, the NTS newspaper, and they were immediately hired onto the staff of Radio Free Russia onto their own NTS station. The administrative headquarters was located in Paris and had a field office in Frankfurt.

19:40 The NTS recruited and trained its own agents near Frankfurt. The Russian immigrants already had relations with the counterintelligence corps in the army, as well as the Galen organization. Wisner's crew and the Galen organization did preliminary screening, recruiting the Russians under the same terms offered to the Baltic nations. They published estimates of the number of special forces agents trained.

20:11 before 1954, ranging up to 5,000. Most of the members of the labor units, like the Albanian Company 400, this program functioned as a farm system, identifying suitable candidates to be used to insert into the denied areas. At least 200 of these people had direct ties to

20:41 the Nazi party. But the State Department overlooked that under the guise of national security. The SIS, which is the British, took the lead in actual infiltration. Kim Philby, the spy, was involved in this. He recalls the CIA arguing with Stefan Bandera and saying that

21:17 He was very anti-American and that the OUN represented extreme nationalism and were fascist. And that anyway, its roots were among the old immigrants. A meeting in Washington, Philby asserts, between the CIA officers and their British counterpart, Harry Carr, ended with both sides openly accusing each other of lying.

21:47 Philby says that's because both of them were. Alan Dulles, at the time, was the deputy director for plans and touring Europe to familiarize himself with the lay of the land, seize the moment to coordinate with the Brits. Dulles' staff encouraged the British to abandon Bandera at the London conference. Harry Carr.

22:18 flatly refused to do that. Two British missions sent into Russia during 1950 had disappeared without a trace. We're going down the same route that we did in Albania. The CIA and the British remained deadlocked, with a practical result of support continuing for both sides. In 1951, the British dropped three parties of six agents each into Ukraine.

22:49 the foothills of the Carpathians, and southern Poland. None ever reported back. At least one team consisted of veterans of the Nazi SS Galicia Division. A CIA four-man unit was unproductive, as were several missions with secret warriors dispatched to Ukraine and Moldova. Remnants of the OUN and Bandera forces held out.

23:19 until 1952, but they were all eventually tracked down. Intelligence agents operated at grave disadvantage. It was only in 1951, apparently, that the CIA learned that the printing processes the Russians used to produce internal passports and other documents was being used. Planes to drop agents into denied areas were flown by the British.

23:51 through Cyprus and by the CIA through Greece and Eastern Germany. But the partisans had been broken by the time the agent teams began to arrive. So the underground proved unable to protect them. The dilemma was very direct for Michael Burke. In 1951, the CIA contract officer recalled from the Albanian project obtained a line slot at Frankfurt.

24:21 on the Russian infiltration program. Burke missed the Mediterranean easiness of Rome and was not enamored with the German rigidness, but the mission had precedence. He took charge of the CIA's biggest field operation. As Burke put it, a large, desperate...

24:49 body of Americans with varying skills and talents dispersed in a dozen locations throughout the country. They had all kinds of operations going on. In May of 51, the CIA sent army officers to Germany as Director Smith's personal representative, General Lucian Transcott Jr. He definitely was a representative of the old.

25:22 army. Trescott and Bedell Smith had both been at Fort Leavenworth in the 30s, and in World War II, Trescott had briefly served as Eisenhower's on his staff, which Smith was in charge of. Trescott became one of the most successful U.S. commanders in Sicily, Italy, and France. He had some unconventional warfare experience with none other than Lord Montbatten.

25:55 the pedophile. Trunscott had retired in 47. Walter Bedell Smith induced him to return to Germany. Trunscott had a natural ability for intelligence. He quickly became concerned with agents' losses in Russian operations, investigating the CIA's relationship with the Galen organization and NTS Russians. He found many ways the mission was being compromised. With Germany,

26:30 the CIA's largest show, the station at Frankfurt comprised 1,400 officers at the time. When Wisner's office and the OSO consolidated in 52, Transcott gained the power to issue orders in the agency's name. He initiated a formal inquiry. When Allen Dulles came through on his tour of CIA stations,

26:56 Tronscott used his briefing to warn of the collapse of infiltration operations. Alan Dulles, who once walked out of a Tronscott talk, sat down and listened to all of the gloomy news. In late December 1952 came the collapse of yet another CIA-British joint operation, which should have given the CIA pause. It did not. This concerned Poland, where for years,

27:30 The CIA had assumed that they were in contact with anti-Soviet underground called WIN, W-I-N, or Freedom and Independence. I'm not going to try to pronounce the Polish name. The roots lay in World War II when Polish resistance to the Nazis had been crushed in the 1944 Battle of Warsaw as Soviet armies stood by and watched.

27:56 Stalin then proceeded to contrive a Soviet satellite state in Poland. The WIN, W-I-N, consisted of Poles of resistance, veterans, and anti-Soviet underground. But his first commander had been arrested and tried in 1947, Soviet crackdown, after the American and British cooperated in spiriting out of the country the prime minister and other Polish nationalists.

28:24 While the intelligence services did not conclude that Wynne had been destroyed, right there remains a mystery because basically they had exported the entire leadership. Around that time, Harry Carr of the British side had approached General Anders, Poland's wartime field commander on the Allied side.

28:49 who naturally had Wynne connections and sought to forge links to the underground. Poland seemed a logistical theater for CIA political warfare, certainly a place to argue for democracy against communism. Wynne seemed the ideal instrument. Frank Lindsay of the Wisner staff thought so as well. The Poles sent couriers to the West and letters.

29:20 to immigrant families and radio messages to Western intelligence services. They had, they said, 500 WEN operatives. 20,000 could be mobilized and 100,000 sympathizers. The WEN messages asked for money and supplies. The British and Americans had no idea these messages were actually coming from Russians. They were running the WEN network.

29:50 In February of 49, the British bowed out. The Wisner Group then furnished all the money for when? More than a million dollars over three years, going directly to the Russians. In 51, Lindsay recruited John Bross, another of the former lawyers and OSS types, who had been a Jedberg commando, to run the Polish business as his deputy.

30:15 Bras also knew about the CIA's German base since he came to the agency from a job as legal counsel to the U.S. High Commissioner in Germany. That would be McCloy. Like others, Bras was completely fooled. Once at a meeting, he threw out a number of 37,000 as a figure of Polish underground troops fighting the Soviets a month after the feared war for Europe began.

30:47 In 1952, Wynn asked for a list of the targets the CIA wanted destroyed in the event of that war, certainly something Russian intelligence would need to know. The CIA sent the list. Bras became queasy when Wynn followed up by asking for an American general to be parachuted in to the underground to buck up morale. Bras put his foot down.

31:14 The Russians, knowing the game was up, blew the operation for his propaganda value. A star agent first recruited by the British revealed himself as a Russian spy, recounting how Wynn had deceived the West. Then the Soviets staged a show trial for other Wynn figures, helpless Poles, whom the Russians had pulled in to put on a show trial. The latest failure in the consolidation of the CIA's director of operations,

31:45 were the end for Frank Lindsay. Burned out with a chain of disasters, Lindsay announced his departure. Allen Dulles asked him to write a paper on the lessons learned. Dulles and Lindsay went over a draft one at his house on a weekend. The conclusions, uniformly negative, reflected Lindsay's understanding of the Russians' tight security everywhere behind the line. Dulles could not abide by this.

32:15 but Lindsey stuck to his guns. He left, and guess where he ended up? At the Ford Foundation. His replacement would be John Bross, the guy who had just given away a million dollars to the Soviets. There were many reasons for concern until 1951. The Soviets had the advantage of information because they had Kim Philby, but he was not their only source. From 1950 on.

32:49 They received reports from Heinz Felfe, F-E-L-F-E, who was a senior officer that had infiltrated the Galen organization, which goes on to be West Germany's BND, the version of the CIA for West Germany. They also had a Canadian spy, Gordon Lonsdale. The Russians also used the flow of refugees and displaced persons.

33:20 as a main source of recruits. They inserted spies into all of these Western operations. Among the most valuable was Captain Nikita Koronsky, who defected in Berlin in 1948, telling the army counterintelligence his reason was for the love of a German girl. Like many Russians, Koronsky moved to Frankfurt.

33:53 There he became associated with the NTS. The immigrants relied on his recent knowledge of Russian information and hired him at their training school. So he literally is collecting the IDs of everybody they're putting in the pipeline. Using intelligence from Korunsky, they were able to supply agents with specific qualifications sought.

34:24 by Western services, spies who compromised their CIA missions. Meanwhile, their inserted spy, beginning in 1951, funneled the Soviets with a stream of data on individuals trained from the CIA and the Galen organization. He also suggested and provided the knowledge for an assassination attempt against the NTS chief, Olavovich. The betrayal

34:54 of a 1953 team he had trained finally uncovered him. The CIA lost another 16 agents in at least five missions during 52 and 53 as a result of them not being able to find the spy among them. How are they supposed to? I mean, when you read this stuff, they can't find a spy working right beside them. How the heck are they going to be able to collect intelligence and...

35:26 assign any validity to it when they can't find their own in their own organization. It's crazy. So crazy. And trillions of dollars later, they're still no better. Each time the base dispatched one of the CIA aircraft to carry a team, it took a tremendous chance. The plane would be downed behind the Iron Curtain. Agency officers agonized on

35:58 the go-no-go decisions for these flights. Although Koronsky was arrested in 1954, the Soviets captured a solo agent plus yet another CIA team. Mike Burke estimated an agent's chance with all the best backup the CIA could furnish at no better than 50%. For their part, the Russians adopted this Koronsky scheme to murder Dr. Okulovich.

36:29 In February of 1954, they sent two East Germans plus Captain Nikolai Kolov to Frankfurt to execute the NTS leader. Operation Rhine, as the Russians called their plot, miscarried when Kolov repented and confessed to Okhovich instead of killing him. The extent to which NTS

37:00 had by this time become subordinate to the CIA, is suggested by the ease of which the Americans then took Kalaf away from the NTS. Michael Burke had had enough. Returning to Washington in April of 54, he went to dinner at Frank Wisner's house. Alan Dulles was also there. Burke worried about the long flights over Eastern Europe.

37:30 that was needed to deposit agents in Russia. On the most recent intrusion, the CIA plane had been intercepted by two Russian fighters over Hungary during its return. The plane had escaped into clouds, but the sign was ominous. Russian radar coverage had become so wide and air units so numerous that the flights were exceedingly dangerous. Opinion at the CIA base turned against more attempts.

38:00 Burke worried the headquarters would avoid telling officers of the dangerous mission. He needed reassurance not only from the CIA's commitment, but that the president wanted these missions to continue. His bosses gave Burke only standard arguments. Facing a headquarters tour supporting a growing family, Michael Burke gave up the CIA. He went to the circus instead.

38:27 Burke became the executive with Ringling Brothers, later with the Madison Square Garden, and ended up as a general manager of the New York Yankees. Meanwhile, the Kolop affair became only one of a series of Soviet measures against the immigrant figures. Okalovich had been beaten during an abortive kidnapping. NTS, another NTS, had survived.

39:01 a murder attempt. The Russians were more successful with Ukrainian leader Lev Rebit. He was assassinated in 1957. Also killed were two senior Radio Free Europe broadcasters. This campaign climaxed on October 15, 1959, when Stefan Bandera died outside his Munich apartment, dosed with cyanide from a

39:32 ingenious constructed gun. Secret warfare against Russia ground to a halt. On a trip from Munich to Washington in 53, Dulles told one of his senior specialists on the Soviet affair, quote, at least we're getting the kind of experience we need for the next war, unquote. Didn't give a shit about all the people he was killing. We're just gaining good experience.

40:02 Michael Burke, of course, had moved on, but not so for many of the immigrant recruits by the CIA. One of the legacies of the secret war, the anti-Bolshevik bloc of nations, went on to support dictators and help subvert democratic governments all over the world. Chapter five, the covert legions. If Harry Truman had had his way, the...

40:37 Guy that would have been in charge was Gordon Gray. General Walter Bedell Smith and William Jackson brought the word. Jackson, a Gray associate since 1930s, represented the token of trust. General Smith told Gray that he, Smith, wanted Gray to succeed him as the CIA director. And that service in a new NSC unit, the psychological...

41:06 strategy board would make him the logical choice to do so. Bedell Smith also said the president is serious about setting up this board and we think that you are the most equipped to do it. An insider's insider, Gordon Gray's discretion was exceeded only by his good sense.

41:30 From the president's point of view, revising his NSC covert action directive had the purpose of designating a new subcommittee of the National Security Council as the lead authority on approvals. Gray would be chief of that unit. Truman knew Gray from service as assistant secretary and secretary of the army from 47 to 50. Gordon Gray left Washington, but only theoretically.

41:58 He had become the head of the University of North Carolina in February of 1950, yet actually did not give up his Army post until April. And even then, he stayed on as a special assistant until November. President Truman Summons became only the first of many callbacks for Gray, who served every president from Harry Truman to Gerald Ford. Both brilliant and modest,

42:27 Gray was the son of Bowman Gray, a tobacco baron and chairman of R.J. Reynolds. Bowman's son could have gone anywhere but chose a state college. Yale Law followed and Gray worked a couple of years at Frank Wisner's Wall Street firm, Carter Ledger and Milburn. Then it was back to Winston-Salem where Gray hung out his own shingle.

42:54 and then became a newspaper publisher. His two papers, the Winston-Salem Journal and the Twin Cities Sentinel, he also had a radio station, which eventually morphed into a media empire. All the while, one of these guys. In 1937, Gray ran for state senator as a Democrat. He won reelection four years later. After Pearl Harbor, Gray volunteered.

43:25 but refused a commission. He entered the army, enlisted. The military gave Gray a commission anyway. He was assigned to intelligence and a public affairs officer at Fort Benning before heading to Europe. He set up propaganda radio broadcast, as any good spy would. He did that for Omar Bradley.

43:55 Shortly before Congress created the CIA, Gray, from his post with the Army, nominated himself for director of the CIA to replace Hoyt Vandenberg. This major departure from his usual manner suggests how serious Gray must have been about the international situation. President Truman chose Hill and Cotter instead. Sidney Sowers didn't necessarily like Gray.

44:24 after that bold move. But Truman had such confidence in him that when it came time to set up the new National Security Council subcommittee, the president could not be dissuaded from appointing him. After Sowers left Washington early in 1950, Gray had a full, clear field. Years later, Sowers told a CIA historian,

44:49 that he had had high expectations for the effectiveness of the psychological strategy board until he learned who Truman had picked to lead it, making out that Gray's appointment was a patronage. Sowers recalled complaining to the president, but it was already too late. Gray began commuting to and from Chapel Hill once a week. He continued as the university's president throughout running.

45:18 Basically, what was the precursor to what was embedded in the CIA as the Psychological Strategy Board. He's running a media company domestically while he's doing this. Anybody that doesn't think all of that stuff is connected is crazy. The task President Truman thought so important was to energize U.S. efforts in psychological warfare.

45:48 remained a deep presidential interest, and indeed it lay behind the original Truman directive that started the CIA on its way to covert operations. Not only the agency had been involved, the State Department created its own coordinating staff on quote-unquote information. Truman's lieutenants avoided the word propaganda under the Assistant Secretary of Public Affairs.

46:16 The Pentagon got into the act in 49, pressing Admiral Sowers at the NSC to report on peacetime planning for wartime psychological operations. That spring, the NSC executive secretary circulated a draft directive mandating a fresh initiative, again within the State Department, which set up an interagency foreign information organization. In other words, a propaganda bureau.

46:46 Edward Barrett, a former Newsweek reporter, became the chairman. None of this satisfied the Department of Defense, now worried about gaps between peacetime efforts and those contemplating psyops and war. Barrett tried to mollify the Pentagon with a scheme of overt and covert psychological warfare activities, plus

47:15 domestic information and censorship in America. President Truman approved that proposal in March of 1950, thinking the problem was solved. A few weeks later, Truman announced a new American campaign of truth. It was going to be the antidote for Soviet propaganda. So our propaganda is labeled the campaign of truth, but

47:48 It's done against Soviet propaganda. They were both propaganda. We're just going to label ours the campaign of truth. You can't make this shit up. This is exactly what goes on today. While Truman struggled to regularize U.S. psychological warfare, the CIA, hardly indifferent, forged ahead with a plethora of initiatives.

48:21 what they perceived as Soviet influence. Labor unions were a special agency target given the long histories and strength of communist-affiliated labor unions in Italy and France, which, by the way, they called communist no matter what if they were an effective union. They just didn't want unions existing that they didn't control. The committee...

48:49 for a free Europe and radio-free Europe remained major priorities for the CIA. Wisner personally attended planning conferences of those organizations in 49 and 50, and he approved their budget because they were all covert operations. Alan Dulles, a former board member and chairman of the Committee for a Free Europe, resolved not to abandon them either.

49:19 The agency still had problems, but CIA seemed to have accepted that stimulating creativity required making certain allowances. These were the people who in 1950 spent $34 million in Europe alone on these programs. When Alan Dulles came to the CIA, he hired a special assistant, Tom Braden, a 32-year-old.

49:49 man from Iowa, who before joining the OSS had fought with the British against Rommel in the Saharan Desert. Afterward, Braden and Stuart Alsop, supposedly a journalist, collaborated on a book about the OSS. Braden had advocated a peacetime intelligence agency. Then Dulles called him into that agency. His standard practice

50:23 Dulles would do it again with Dick Bissell, Richard Bissell, was to use assistants to handle certain projects outside normal chains of command. Dulles, his outside projects concerned political and cultural warfare in Europe. And that became Braden's battlefield. He arranged CIA funding for women movements, youth movements.

50:53 lawyer organizations, and media organizations. Those are the exact same things that are being used today in the United States. That's not a coincidence. Once Dulles had settled in as deputy director of operations, Brayden suggested the creation of an international organizations division.

51:24 putting his activities on a more formal basis instead of just being a special assistant to Dulles. Frank Wisner was not happy with that because that unit would cut across his responsibilities. Wisner vetoed that initiative. Tom Braden marched into Allen Dulles' office and handed him his resignation. Instead, Dulles picked up his telephone, called Wisner.

51:55 and told him to shut up. Braden was able to form his own division. Once Wisner succeeded Dulles as the director of the operations branch, Braden continued to rely on his direct link to Dulles, ignoring Wisner and going directly to Dulles anytime he had an issue. The International Organization's division became one of the CIA's

52:25 prized possessions. Suddenly, the Korean War made concrete all the previous thinking about peacetime wartime distinctions in psychological warfare. The State Department resources in the Far East had to be transferred to a regional supreme commander, General MacArthur. Officials agreed on the need for a new independent agency, but the State Department, as it had in the days of the creation

52:54 of the Office of Public Policy Coordination wanted control, which both the CIA and the Pentagon said no. Wrangling continued. President Truman scheduled this issue for an agenda of the National Security Council on January 4th, 1951. Lots of talking, nothing got settled. Truman gave the NSC members one month to come up with a solution.

53:24 When that didn't happen, the president took psychological warfare off the NSC's action list. He would settle the matter himself, and he did. On April 4th, he issued orders establishing the Psychological Strategy Board, a subcommittee of the NSC. This board actually looked very much like a 10-2 panel that monitored covert operations, with a central staff added.

53:52 At the initial meeting on July 2nd, members agreed that the CIA would chair the group, which means it's just an extension of the CIA. They would direct agencies regarding all psychological warfare issues, coordinate and evaluate operations. They would then report to the NSC on just how effective they were.

54:19 The Psychological Strategy Board staff under Gordon Gray constituted a central planning authority. In effect, the staff aimed to become the U.S. command center for all psychological operations. But something went wrong along the way. General Smith sought a small elite staff to evaluate covert operations in pushing for revision.

54:44 of the NSC 10-2 directive, he wanted the Psychological Strategy Board to replace the 10-2 panel as the approval authority. Psychological warfare experts wanted a larger entity that actually planned these operations within a more rarefied sector that was to be an overarching psychological warfare capability.

55:14 The best the Psychological Strategy Board finally achieved was to help prevent interagency rivalries from crippling ongoing field efforts. Gray brought an OSS veteran, Tracy Barnes, as his deputy director. By 1952, the Psychological Strategy Board staff had become the largest element of the national security staff. It had a budget two and a half times bigger.

55:45 than the NSC itself. The CIA viewed this board as a paper mill. Gordon Gray tried to make the PSB work. Starting from three small buildings across Jackson Square from the White House, within months, Gray moved the Psychological Strategy Board to new offices that housed the CIA headquarters.

56:15 That put his people right in with the spooks and could have encouraged cooperation. Better than that, Gray had been Frank Wisner's colleague at the Wall Street firm. Deputy Tracy Barnes had also been with Wisner on Wall Street, as well as Alan Dulles' subordinate in the OSS. And thus, there were relationships with the agency. But Wisner had no intentions of cooperating. He did not want the...

56:44 Psychological Strategy Board as a command or operating agency. He wanted it under his control. He refused to go to their meetings, even though Gray held them next door. Wisner encouraged Beadle Smith, as the director of the CIA, to form a covert action staff within the CIA that became central to operations approval, keeping the Psychological Strategy Board out.

57:13 of their business. It was referred to as a murder board, which is kind of ironic. The Psychological Strategy Board never established itself as a nerve center for covert actions. The members were essentially a 10-2 panel. An early representative

57:38 Representative of the SECDEF, John McGruder, safeguarded defense interests. The State Department repeatedly construed the Psychological Strategy Board inquiries as infringements. General Smith was CIA's delegate. Frank Wisner, the alternate. James Webb set in for the State Department. Rear Admiral Leslie

58:02 Stevens represented the Joint Chiefs of Staff and also handled military participation in covert operations. But the CIA consulted the board only when they had to. When the agency needed psychological strategy board help to get other agencies to lend a hand with its projects, just one psychological strategy board staffer handled all of the CIA liaison work. Of the mass of paper,

58:36 The documents on relations with the agency filled just one file. The CIA held back everything. It wouldn't allow them access to its library, upon which the PSB staff depended to encourage the board staff to acquiesce to their demands. In the spring of 52, the issue of the board's role in approving covert operations under national security,

59:07 Memo 10-5 came to a head. The CIA won. The Truman administration approved 81, 81, Truman, the guy who says that he regrets creating the CIA, 81 covert operations during this period. Few of them with more than cursory input from the Psychological Strategy Board.

59:35 If Frank Wisner needed to know anything from the board, he would go to Tracy Barnes, who became something of a CIA spy at the board. Thus, Director Smith arranged through the board for other agencies to assist CIA in their expanded program of covert operations. The Cold War agency cut the Psychological Strategy Board out of the loop. Gray protested.

1:00:05 but only made Beadle Smith more angry. In November of 1951, Gray began to host private luncheons of the Psychological Strategy Board members where differences could be thrashed out before the monthly meeting. In December, Gray held a briefing to show Beadle Smith and Wisner that the board would not trespass on its turf. That didn't work either.

1:00:33 Gray appealed to Smith to ensure the CIA's representatives would attend the meetings, but Smith refused. In January of 52, Gray resigned. He would be succeeded by Raymond Allen, president of the University of Washington. Allen's background in medical administration proved no challenge to the CIA, who did as they pleased. By mid-52, Beadle Smith blew up when told that his

1:01:03 agency had not cooperated with the board the final director of the psychological strategy board was admiral alan kirk who with his background in naval intelligence might have improved the cia relationship but by that time the white house had decided that the board was going to be dismantled evidence indicates that the psychological strategy board failed

1:01:29 as the U.S. high command on covert actions due to the opposition primarily of the CIA. Not because Gordon Gray necessarily, just because they were not going to give up any turf. The close relation between the psychological warfare and covert operations is further demonstrated by what happened to U.S. programs.

1:01:56 Rather than restraining and coordinating propaganda and covert activities, the psychological strategy board that Harry Truman created instead became a stimulant for an intensification of the Cold War because of it generating the propaganda. And basically that propaganda was largely focused on a domestic population, not a foreign one.

1:02:27 We're going to stop there. Do you think he really was surprised at how quickly the monster he created grew? No. Meaning the CIA? No. I think that's all just. So I've noticed this as a trend. All of the presidents that create these ugly monsters.

1:02:58 will either at the end of their term or sometime in the future go, like put their hands up to their face and go, oh my gosh, I had no idea. I don't believe that for a second. You can't create things like this and think they're going to have a good end. You just can't. You can't conduct 80 some covert actions around the world and think that that's not going to have blowback.

1:03:27 Because of course it's going to. It's not like people in other countries didn't know what was going on. As we found out through this journey, most of everything the CIA has done has been null. And a lot of it was exposed by the Soviet Union as we went around the world doing all this nefarious shit. So people knew. They knew all over. The only ones that didn't know was us. And now you know why.

1:03:58 Because all of the people that owned the media back then were all involved in it. They were involved in censoring information from us. They were involved in domestic psychological operations and propaganda. They were involved in censorship, all of that stuff. You can't authorize those kind of operations. And then they're so anti-democratic.

1:04:25 So anti-everything that our government stands for and then get off 15 years later going, oh my gosh, I had no idea. So you either are smart enough to be president and know exactly what you're doing or you should have never been president. That's crazy. That's crazy. No, if anything, it's a pro-dictatorship type. It is. With all the censorship. Yes.

1:05:01 psychological warfare against your own people. Correct. Correct. And the whole time, they're telling us that the Soviet Union is doing this. And therefore, we have to be at war with the Soviet Union when they're doing the exact same damn thing here. They're just saying it's for democracy. They're saying that it's a truth commission. It's all about all of these wonderful flowery words.

1:05:35 When at the same time, they're doing the exact same thing to us with all these fancy labels. Go ahead, SR. Thank you, Colonel. And thank everyone for attending here on X's and on Rumble. What I'm getting out of this and listening to what was going on here is this is really the genesis of our propaganda arm and our...

1:06:07 censorship arm if you will absolutely and it's not that it didn't happen before but this is the formalization of it under the umbrella of a government so in the past i mean you know you go back to the early 1900s when we were overthrowing the um late 1800s the queen of hawaii and all that other stuff that was censored as well but it wasn't done so much as you know

1:06:37 an actual office in the government. It was done informally through relationships because these people all come from the same families, blah, blah, blah. It's not to say that it wasn't done before that, but this is actually setting up capability in our government to do it as a matter of business, which as far as I have researched, I don't see that happening until...

1:07:07 the creation of the CIA and the post-World War II. Building a long-term plan to continue it instead of just a one-off. Correct. Yeah, right. Correct. Go ahead, SR. Thank you, Colonel. If I could for a moment, Elwood C. over on Rumble has come up with a great

1:07:37 And that is, if you would post in Rumble under your videos or wherever in the theme for Colonel Towner, those people would be able to not only view it, but able to repost from there as well. I have no idea what that means. Just post your theme intro or put the theme intro in your Rumble's video section.

1:08:11 but I don't, I guess it's not visible to them. So we will upload it as a separate video. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do that after the show. That's a great, that's a great idea, Elwood. Very good. I will do that. Well, maybe Bridget will do that. Just being honest. But we'll get it done. Let's see.

1:08:42 Tim wants to come up here. What do you got for us, Tim? What year was the CIA established? Well, I mean, technically the law was passed in 1947 with the creation of the Air Force. But remember that it was originally called something else. And then it eventually gets around to be calling the Central Intelligence Office. But the capability was authorized in 1947.

1:09:16 September of 1947. What year was Israel established legally? 1948. What year was the Mossad established? I believe it formally was established in 49. See where I'm going with this? I mean, you can tell us where you're going with it. All of the chaos creators was established post-World War II. Go ahead and tell us where you're going with it.

1:09:53 You know, the CIA, Mossad, it's the same company. It's just you got one, two different divisions. You could say that with MI6 and all this other stuff. But it all, I tell you, the Epstein files has really got me disheveled. Because you can see this common cord running through all the fuckery in the world. And it's all, they're operating.

1:10:24 Control Central is in Israel. That's where I'm going with this. I don't believe that. I don't believe their Control Central is Israel. And I'll tell you why. The oldest central intelligence entity is MI6. I look at MI6 as the dad. And all of the post-World War II intelligence agencies, whether it's the KCIA, the German BND, the CIA.

1:10:53 Assad, all of them. Saudi Arabia has one, all of them. They were all given birth after World War II. One of the reasons why the Brits, that basically serves the foundation of why we had to enter World War II. There was a lot of people that were

1:11:20 America first way back then and they were isolationist. There was no way we were going to World War II, which of course is why Pearl Harbor had to happen to get us into World War II so we could reshape our government to match that that was in London. And I look at all of the after World War II intelligence agencies around the world to be brothers and sisters under the tutelage of MI6.

1:11:50 And of course, it was the Brits that way back when with the Balfour Agreement that created the beginning of the formation of Israel, which then of course gives birth. And I know Warhamster always says all roads leads to Rockefeller, but Rockefeller has a...

1:12:14 a sibling over in the city of London. And everything that I've researched, whether it's the Fabian Society, the Royal International Institute of Affairs, whatever it is, there is a counterpart in the United States. And a lot of this to include the origins of this whole one world government goes back to the Fabians. They were very specific in saying that you had to have

1:12:42 geographically located entities that allowed you to rabble rouse any place in the world. And that's what I view Israel. Israel is a tool of these people that can create any kind of destabilization in the Middle East, which of course is resource rich, anytime that they want. And that's basically the strategic reason they wanted Taiwan.

1:13:11 Because anytime they need to destabilize Southeast Asia, some shit happens with Taiwan. And these were created all over the world for those reasons. You know, you mentioned the Balfour Declaration. And you said the City of London. You're not talking about London City. You're talking about the City of London, which is the original central bank. Would you agree with that? Yes. Okay. Who was the Balfour Declaration?

1:13:41 document presented to? The Rothschilds. Correct. The central bank, the city of London, you know, and then you said the MI6 was the first intelligence agency. I'll give you that. But when you, and I'm not going to go on a rant, but, you know, British colonialism, you know, even say back, and I'm not a historian, but let's just say the late 1700s, all the 1800s.

1:14:12 British colonialism was financed by the city of London. Would you agree with that? East India Trade Company and all this other stuff? There was a lot of vested interest in that company. Okay, so you got the basic first central bank, and at the time, England had world reserve currency status, so to speak.

1:14:41 Well, you can't say that back in those days because geographically, metal was the currency. They didn't really have control of all of the currency back then. I mean, they traded salt. Salt was very precious. So you can't make that statement historically. So the U.S. dollar became what?

1:15:13 That was Truman, right? What was that? Yeah, over time with the whole petrodollar arrangement. That was Nixon, though. Nixon did that. But I'm just saying that kind of locked in that dollar. But that was only one aspect of it because the whole precious metal LIBOR system was still in.

1:15:44 Which, you know, up until we disconnected the two, was still controlling currency at the time. Well, somebody has got to be in charge because, you know, these intelligence agencies aren't working for us. Tim, I have tried to articulate this so many times.

1:16:07 There is somebody in charge, and my name for it is the International Syndicate, because it is not one person. It is not one religious entity. It's not one anything. There is a group of people that make up the International Syndicate that has been pulling these strings for over 100 years. I'm going to say longer than that. Well, I'm just saying about our conversation.

1:16:37 We trace it back to the Fabian Society where they talked about setting up a roundtable to do exactly this. And we've been walking down that path ever since. So, yes, it is a coordinated effort. And they're protecting monetary interest of somebody. And that somebody could be a board. And that board's probably located in the city of London. And the same guy that's sitting on that board is the one that got the deed to Israel.

1:17:08 So that's all I'm going to say. I mean, again, the Epstein stuff has just got me disheveled. If 1% of what I'm hearing and reading is, you know, I'm kind of just done. Okay. Alina, go ahead. Sure. Alina, go ahead. Hey, I was going to respond a little bit to Tim. I think he's, you know, preaching to the choir here in a lot of ways.

1:17:34 Number one, yes, the CIA was created in 1947. We now know that it was basically about the 1948 Italian elections, trying to keep them in NATO. There was a partnership with the mafia that was involved in that whole process, which was documented a number of times by congressional hearings, including the Kefauver Committee, as well as the Alfred McCoy hearing in 1972.

1:18:01 And I think one of the pieces of evidence to support him was that, if I recall correctly, the Israelis said that they got a lot of their supplies from Italy, including the Sicilian mob. So, yes, Tim, you're right. There's a whole body of research on this. You can go back to the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and see how they connect.

1:18:27 through the roundtable groups and ultimately the creation of the Council on Foreign Relations. Yeah, it's all kind of in that growth of this system that goes back to Lord Milner, the Balfour Declaration. And I think if you talk to Susan Kokinda, who I think Colonel Towner may be scheduled to speak with Tommy at some point on, you know, she'll get out of the Lyndon LaRouche archives and executive intelligence reports.

1:18:56 and try to argue it goes back really to the British East India Company. Colonel, I did want to ask you, I thought you were appearing on Tommy's podcast today with Susan Cook, but I didn't see you there. When is that? So I was on with someone else today. We were scheduled to do hers tomorrow.

1:19:21 But it got postponed to Monday because Tommy had to go take care of some family business. Gotcha. Yeah, that's, I mean, the EIR researchers, you know, I have to watch that podcast between, it's almost like, it's almost like Colonel Towner talking to this. These are, yeah, these are, I mean, Suzuka can do.

1:19:47 You know, it's like, let me just say it for you. It's like, it's like Colonel Towner talking to Colonel Towner's mom. It's like, I love that. Two professors talking to each other. One from, you know, one from Princeton and another from Dartmouth. And you never get a chance to see something like this. So I think it's neat. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I am telling you from a, um, I feel like I'm a student, um, with her. Um,

1:20:17 She's amazing. And I am very much looking forward to that, probably more so than any interview that I've done so far or any podcast. I'm very, very excited about it. But thank you, Illini. I feel like I just got promoted. I don't know who was next. Why are you so mad you go? And then we'll get to Introspect and Travis. Okay, I'll be really quick.

1:20:45 I know that most people want to put it all in a neat little package and blame one particular group or anything like this. But it is a Hydra. It is, like you said, it's an international criminal syndicate. And that's the way that it needs to be looked at. You try to simplify it. Other than that.

1:21:09 you're going to be missing a big part of the picture. So it's not just one group. It's not just one nation. It's not just one city. It's not just one central bank. They've all been working together, a coordinated effort to do what they've been doing for a long time. So don't try to simplify it. I know we all want to make it into a nice, pretty little package and a bow so that we could all set it on fire, but it's not going to work like that.

1:21:38 It has never worked like that. So don't get stuck in that mindset. Be open-minded about how spread out and how deep this is. Well, and to Tim's point, you are looking at, there's many Epsteins out there, guys. Oh, yeah. He's like low-hanging fruit, honestly. I don't think he's low-hanging fruit. I don't agree with that. But he is one of many.

1:22:06 We're looking at a single network. There are multiple people that have evolved through the last 75 years that provide the same function. This is just one in our lifetime, which is why it seems so much more relevant to us because we're living it. But there have been many Epsteins in this story. Okay, go ahead, Introspect. Hi, Colonel Turner. Great to hear you again.

1:22:37 Appreciate you for having me up. Sure. Always appreciate how you're on target with everything all the time, being relevant. Grateful. So I heard the gentleman speak earlier about Israel. Yes. And I hear this constantly and I hear what you're saying back. And it makes me realize where people are generally in awareness. It was like a good little sample of a percentage of people that think like that.

1:23:07 I said, OK, great. This is what we're dealing with. And at least he's cognizant of a problem. That's one benefit. But it serves no purpose if we don't know the full spirit of the problem. And I believe in other aspects of it. I think there's spiritual components here. Colonel focused on a on a very specific, you know, I guess, operational tactic they use historically. And I like that.

1:23:38 I can reference you whenever I need to for that. I respect that. I have a broader analysis that I have to take because I've seen other overlapping. You know, I look at techno technologies and high strangeness. People know I talk about the UFOs often, but these conspiracies are only coming true.

1:24:04 So I have to consider the strange aspects here. There's a hierarchy, Tim, that we're looking at. It's not national. Evil has no nation. That's all I'll leave you with, sir. Yeah, that's a very good point. What I would suggest is if after World War II there was no Israel, none, it didn't get created.

1:24:31 we would still be dealing with this entire same apparatus because it is ages old. So that's just something to keep in the back of your mind. It allows a certain amount of deflection, if you will, because they can use the Jewish mantra as a cloaking device to protect the operation.

1:25:00 And you always want to, in covert operations, which this entire thing basically is because it rests in the shadows, you can use something that is out in the open as long as you have a cloaking shield that every time you attack it, which is the whole purpose of this anti-Semitism accusation, when you're literally talking about a government and not a religion, it is the perfect tool.

1:25:29 for these people to use. But it is just one aspect of a much broader operation. And because they are able to use that cloaking device, it allows people to keep their focus on that so they don't see the entire operation. And that's kind of my way of approaching this and why I have always...

1:25:56 focused on the broader operation and exposing it without focusing on the tactical level of how they're doing it. But that's certainly very apparent to me. Bridget, go ahead. Just to throw in on everything in exactly the way Why Are You So Mad did describe it as a hydra. I'll give you a better, I think, illustration.

1:26:24 is you have to remember this is not a bordered, like these people are not of one nation. The ones who are actually pulling the strings. And what you're seeing, like with Epstein, imagine a giant vine that splits and forks and forks and splits. By cutting off, hypothetically, let's say we stopped the Epstein thing. You're just clipping off one piece of that vine.

1:26:55 And even if, like, you're right, Israel, there are nefarious things that are in our face. And if we clip that vine, that portion of that vine, the vine is still alive. And you just have to realize that the ones who are pulling the string do not have any allegiance to any one bordered landmass, whether it is Israel, Europe.

1:27:22 or any landmass. They have multiple, multiple homes, vistas, villas, islands, and just like the Epstein operation, we could sit here and spit off at least a dozen that have come to light and been shut down over the last 50 years, maybe 100.

1:27:51 And because those are just splinters off of that same vine. But the most beautiful thing watching what is going on in the news is you are seeing and you saw as soon as Donald Trump took office, they went to that base of that vine and started hacking on it. They weren't cutting off the little splinter, little bitty twigs. They were sawing off massive arteries.

1:28:21 at the root of this vine. And that is why it is so impressive. Once you realize it's, again, not a landmass, it's not a group of people, it is satanic worshipping, for sure, but that it is a very pentacled animal that is, and you're watching the actual arteries being cut.

1:28:50 That's a great analogy. Yeah, that's a great analogy, Bridget, because you have to yank it out at the root. Right. Or it's just going to keep coming back. Well, you've got a garden. You know what I'm talking about. Yes. Yes, I do. That's why it's a great analogy. Travis, go ahead. Two things really quick. When Ben-Gurion founded Mossad, he did it with assistance from the CIA, including...

1:29:21 us selling them crypto AG with the back door for the CIA. So all their signals intelligence and communications intelligence, since they were first getting started all the way through to including today, goes through CIA. Second point I wanted to make, Bank of England,

1:29:51 was founded in 1694. The Central Bank of Sweden was founded in 1668. Oh, there you go. So the Bank of England is not actually the oldest central bank. And what's interesting about that, as all of my Swedish audience has constantly reminded me, while we talk about All Roads Lead to London,

1:30:21 many of those roads actually dead end in sweden to include crypto ag since you actually mentioned that the guy that created that was from sweden yes ma'am yeah very good point um align i go ahead uh just to respond to some of the other prior comments about whether we're dealing sort of with you know separate actors with their own interests or or a network

1:30:50 I feel like we're kind of, you know, there's a series of papers in the 1980s. In 1980, if you asked any economist how the stock market worked, they would have said it's efficient. And there's this, you know, rational representative agent that's keeping the prices all steady. And what happened by the end of the 80s.

1:31:09 Was there all these papers out there that basically said that, well, no, some people are smarter than others. And you can sometimes tell where stock prices are going based off of things like momentum. And what we're doing is we don't necessarily – we're dealing with this complicated knot.

1:31:30 But at the very least, what we do know is that it is a knot. And we're trying to untangle, you know, based on momentum is like using third and fourth order indications.

1:31:42 as to say, okay, somebody out there is buying right now, and the price is going to keep going up until that person is done buying, but we don't know which broker he's talking to, and we don't know how much he's buying. We don't know how much cash he has in his account. We just know that somebody out there is buying, and that is what is driving the price up right now, and it could stop. And I feel like that's kind of where we are right now in understanding what's really going on behind the scenes with our government. But clearly,

1:32:10 Clearly there's conflicts of interest between our constitutional government in theory and what's actually going on. And I don't know if we'll – hopefully if we have more power to the model, we can eventually sort out all the different loops in it and figure out who all the parties are. And at some point it gets very dangerous there because –

1:32:39 Two very complicated models can look very similar, but it hinges on just a couple pieces of evidence. Yeah, that's a wonderful analogy as well. Yes, I agree with you because I think for us, while we talk about, we focus on the knot and trying to identify what it looks like.

1:33:06 Obviously, the natural tendency is to try to, before you have the knot untied, start tracing the end of it. And I don't know if we'll ever get there, honestly, but I want to expose the fact that there's this big ass knot there and that we have.

1:33:28 had this knot hidden from us for so long. And, you know, obviously to me, my mission in this whole thing is getting as many people as we can to recognize that number one, it exists. Number two, what the purpose of it is. And I believe that the unraveling of that knot

1:33:54 is what we're witnessing right now. And there's going to be much more scandal besides just the Epstein. And that's why I ask everybody to try to the best of your ability to take a step back. Don't get emotionally invested in the exposure piece of this because you're gonna lose your mind if you do.

1:34:21 Understanding that there's going to be a lot of really despicable things that gets revealed as the light gets shown on this. But if we're ever going to get our constitutional republic back, we have to understand how we lost it. And that has to be exposed. So that's my opinion.

1:34:50 Ridem? I don't know how you say your name. Go ahead. Coming through? Sorry. Yeah. Oh, good. I'm going to hear it myself. I was listening to you talking about what seemed to me, anyway, the possibility that this painting of Israel and Jews as the ultimate enemy somewhere from deep in history was an engineered thing. Some unknown somebody. International syndicate sort of stuff. It's like...

1:35:26 Sounded kind of similar to the whole situation as it's unfolding over in Iran. Of what? You keep fading in and out. It sounds like what to you? It sounds almost like Iran in the sense of hiding behind a theocracy and that sort of thing. But, you know, Islam being a bit older and all that, it's like I would imagine the people who went about postulating that they did.

1:35:56 The one about engineering Israel and engineering them as the bad guy or simply trying to make use of Islam as the bad guy. Of course, they seem like they might actually really be bad guys, but that's a whole other story. So you're not, in my opinion, you're not far off.

1:36:18 What I find very interesting about this, if you go back through the Islamic religion, which I took several courses familiarizing myself with that when I was at U.S. Central Command, because that made up the preponderance of our area of operation, and I was not familiar with it. It is actually very violent in its origin. No one can deny that.

1:36:46 When the caliphate moved to Turkey, there was a modernization that occurred. And I'm not going to say this as articulately because I don't care about being politically correct as someone else that may care about that because I don't. The modernization of the Islam religion began.

1:37:14 as it came into Southern Europe, began changing dramatically. Because prior to that, their kind of modus operandi was you go into a new place and you kill everybody that will not convert. But it became very apparent to the...

1:37:37 administration of the religion after it transferred to Turkey and started into Europe, that that was no longer going to be an acceptable model. There were too many cities that were significantly more advanced than where they had currently expanded to. And they needed to have the administrators intact in order.

1:38:05 for all of those cities not to be reduced to rubble. And so that modernization drastically changed the Islamic religion as a whole. And you find that from that time on, post-World War II, when the Ottoman Empire is demolished, that there was a lot of interaction.

1:38:35 That didn't rise to the level of what we've seen radical Islam, that faction of it. And there was a lot of trade and all of that other stuff. And for lack of a better word, an acceptance of the fact that other religions. Now you can say that there's an undertone there and granted it's there. But what I found most fascinating.

1:39:03 in the research that I did back then is that whether it's Qatar with the significantly large military presence, when I was enlisted, we had tons of Muslim students coming over for training because they were buying our aircraft. So I watched this evolution firsthand of this kind of

1:39:32 networking, if you will, across the board. It was not until we lost the Soviet Union as our boogeyman that in the 1980s, the production of, and I 100% think it's manufactured, this radical Islamic element that surfaced. And you do the traces back to

1:39:59 um the source of that and it's CIA um in post-World War II I'm talking about in the 1980s um Ghost has done an amazing job and I've read a lot of the same things that he has and the formation in the early 1900s of the Muslim Brotherhood it is a production of the British the British did that so they could control what they were going to exploit in the Middle East

1:40:29 It was a tool for them to use. You see the British prior to the creation of Israel in that area, creating, using the, what did they call them? The mafia. They manipulated who became the mafia. And that's supposed to be through a internal.

1:40:52 muslim process of the designation because it's like kind of like the imam or the scholar for that area in palestine they manipulated the election that they had and got the guy they wanted um they did it because they were the administrator of palestine and so you you have these outside hands manipulating this and then of course we know they use

1:41:22 radical Islam terrorists throughout Operation Gladio to destabilize areas. So I do think there's an analogy there of much of this being not organic by any stretch of the imagination. That's what my research indicates. So great observation. Bridget, go ahead. One of the posts that you did

1:41:51 in the last 24-48 hours most beautifully illustrated that and it was a picture or a screenshot of all the Muslims conglomerating out in the open in Times Square and you noted that they don't do this out in the open like this typically they do it inside of one of their mosques this is an intense in other countries there are many mosques

1:42:20 In New York City. They're doing this. To create. Okay the black white thing. Is not working right now for them. They need us fighting each other. 100%. To orchestrate. A mass gathering. Such as that. And to highlight it. In all the newspapers. In all the headlines. It's all fake. To create the tension.

1:42:50 For us to stop focusing on the government and these things that are being exposed and to focus on each other and fighting each other. Yes. Well said. So that post was prompted. I have went on a guy that lives in Malaysia's podcast a couple of times. He's Muslim. And he sent me a DM and he said, what is going on with this? I live in a predominantly.

1:43:19 Muslim um area I've been all over the like the Indonesia area and all of that he said there's mosque everywhere no one does this over here what are you guys doing um and it is it is the orchestration of this um and you guys know this from our research they will use any groups

1:43:46 in order to control these groups, in order to separate us. The one thing they can never have is us locking arms all together. Everything about this is not organic. It's manipulated in order to keep us. And of course, what happens as soon as that happens? Oh my God, we got to get all the Muslims out of America. Oh my God, we got to get all the whatever out of America.

1:44:16 Those are all orchestrated because obviously they're doing it in Europe as well. And it is not part of the Muslim religion. That does not happen in Muslim countries at all. They go to the mosque, they do their thing and they go home. This is being orchestrated for us to drive division in the Western countries.

1:44:45 to stoke up hatred, which is what they're notorious for doing. Guys, I gotta run. I think I still have that six o'clock with Badlands to continue our stolen election book. And I need to go refresh my drink. So I'm gonna jump off here. I appreciate everybody being here. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks for being here. Take care.

Entities here

CIA49 Psychological Strategy Board22 West Germany22 United Kingdom18 Ukraine18 Gordon Gray18 KGB17 Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists16 Frank Wisner15 Soviet Union15 Stepan Bandera13 Inter-Services Intelligence12 Poland12 United States12 Allen Dulles12 Harry S. Truman11 Walter Bedell Smith9 E. Michael Burke8 Israel8 World War II8 WIN8 National Labor Alliance8 BND7 U.S. State Department7 National Security Council7 Tom Braden6 Frankfurt6 Franklin A. Lindsay5 Richard M. Bissell Jr.5 Lucian K. Truscott5 City of London5 Nikita Koronsky5 Italy4 Czechoslovakia4 Nikita Khrushchev4 Joseph Stalin3 Tracy Barnes3 Azov Battalion3 Counterintelligence Corps3 Sicilian Mafia3

Claims made here

CIA funded BND book_quoted ▶ 1:59

“information for American consumption, whether it was true or not. There became a paper mill of information. Much of it was bogus, quote unquote, intelligence. One immigrant told the Galen people that …”

Soviet Union targeted_for_regime_change Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists book_quoted ▶ 4:04

“It was the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, which is the nice way of saying the Ukrainian Nazis. They had been founded by refugees in Paris as early as the 1920s. From its beginning, the Soviet…”

Stepan Bandera headed Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists book_quoted ▶ 4:35

“including in World War II, but they were already at it before that. At that time, nationalist Stefan Bandera was serving a life sentence for his murder of a Polish minister. Bandera escaped during the…”

BND trained Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists book_quoted ▶ 6:06

“not necessarily recognize Ukrainian as its own country. But they did that in order to appease and co-opt this resistance movement. And you had, this is where Galen, because Galen was the Eastern Front…”

Stepan Bandera member_of Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists book_quoted ▶ 9:05

“towards the end of the war. In 1943, Bandera participated in conferences of ethnic minorities under the anti-Bolshevik front. In the mid-1944, Bandera and other Ukrainians formed the Supreme Liberatio…”

Stepan Bandera founded Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council book_quoted ▶ 9:05

Otto Skorzeny trained Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists book_quoted ▶ 9:38

“Many Ukrainians fought in auxiliaries, basically stay-behinds. They were trained by Otto Skorzeny in some cases, not exclusively, but he was in that area. An entire division of Nazi SS was composed of…”

Soviet Union ordered_assassination_of Stepan Bandera book_quoted ▶ 10:36

“On Victory Day, Courier's link increasingly broken down after May of 1946, but in 1947, OUN leaders still claimed as many as 100,000 partisans. In 1946, Soviet officials demanded the extradition of Ba…”

Inter-Services Intelligence funded Anti-Bolshevik League of Nations book_quoted ▶ 11:38

“Especially the ones that were in that camp that the British monitored in the Rimini area of Italy. They just mysteriously walked right out of camp. Americans told the Russians they had no idea where h…”

CIA covered_up Stepan Bandera book_quoted ▶ 11:38

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists book_quoted ▶ 13:39

“But the State Department intelligence reports in 1947 observed that Krukoff was being used to stabilize Ukraine. With Krukoff in command, military operations now assumed major proportions. Soviet and …”

Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists assassinated Poland book_quoted ▶ 14:38

“struck back when the Polish vice minister of defense was killed. While Czech security strove to seal the border, they proved unable to prevent Ukrainian infiltration. The fall of the Czech defense min…”

Frank Wisner ordered_assassination_of Soviet Union book_quoted ▶ 16:37

“by means of its powerful insurgent army. In Washington, there was growing interest in these operations. In 1948, the NSC study advocated ties with anti-Soviet groups as a prime means of acquiring info…”

CIA funded National Labor Alliance book_quoted ▶ 18:13

“The Brits chose the OUN. The CIA believed the tide of history had turned against them and preferred the Russian social democratic group called NTS. It stood for National Labor Alliance. The NTS formed…”

CIA funded Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists book_quoted ▶ 18:13

National Labor Alliance founded Radio Free Asia book_quoted ▶ 19:11

“Widening sectors of society would oppose communism and ultimately overthrow the Soviet rule. These views were advanced in pamphlets, the NTS newspaper, and they were immediately hired onto the staff o…”

BND recruited National Labor Alliance book_quoted ▶ 19:40

“The NTS recruited and trained its own agents near Frankfurt. The Russian immigrants already had relations with the counterintelligence corps in the army, as well as the Galen organization. Wisner's cr…”

Kim Philby spied_on Inter-Services Intelligence book_quoted ▶ 20:41

“the Nazi party. But the State Department overlooked that under the guise of national security. The SIS, which is the British, took the lead in actual infiltration. Kim Philby, the spy, was involved in…”

Kim Philby spied_on CIA book_quoted ▶ 20:41

Lucian K. Truscott member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 24:49

“body of Americans with varying skills and talents dispersed in a dozen locations throughout the country. They had all kinds of operations going on. In May of 51, the CIA sent army officers to Germany …”

Lucian K. Truscott spied_on National Labor Alliance book_quoted ▶ 25:55

“the pedophile. Trunscott had retired in 47. Walter Bedell Smith induced him to return to Germany. Trunscott had a natural ability for intelligence. He quickly became concerned with agents' losses in R…”

Lucian K. Truscott spied_on BND book_quoted ▶ 25:55

Soviet Union front_for WIN book_quoted ▶ 29:20

“to immigrant families and radio messages to Western intelligence services. They had, they said, 500 WEN operatives. 20,000 could be mobilized and 100,000 sympathizers. The WEN messages asked for money…”

CIA funded WIN book_quoted ▶ 29:50

“In February of 49, the British bowed out. The Wisner Group then furnished all the money for when? More than a million dollars over three years, going directly to the Russians. In 51, Lindsay recruited…”

Richard M. Bissell Jr. member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 29:50

Allen Dulles covered_up Franklin A. Lindsay book_quoted ▶ 32:15

“but Lindsey stuck to his guns. He left, and guess where he ended up? At the Ford Foundation. His replacement would be John Bross, the guy who had just given away a million dollars to the Soviets. Ther…”

Heinz Felfe spied_on BND book_quoted ▶ 32:49

“They received reports from Heinz Felfe, F-E-L-F-E, who was a senior officer that had infiltrated the Galen organization, which goes on to be West Germany's BND, the version of the CIA for West Germany…”

Gordon Lonsdale spied_on CIA book_quoted ▶ 32:49

Nikita Koronsky spied_on CIA book_quoted ▶ 33:53

“There he became associated with the NTS. The immigrants relied on his recent knowledge of Russian information and hired him at their training school. So he literally is collecting the IDs of everybody…”

Nikita Koronsky spied_on National Labor Alliance book_quoted ▶ 33:53

Nikita Koronsky ordered_assassination_of Vladimir Olkovitch book_quoted ▶ 34:24

“by Western services, spies who compromised their CIA missions. Meanwhile, their inserted spy, beginning in 1951, funneled the Soviets with a stream of data on individuals trained from the CIA and the …”

Soviet Union attempted_assassination_of Vladimir Olkovitch book_quoted ▶ 35:58

“the go-no-go decisions for these flights. Although Koronsky was arrested in 1954, the Soviets captured a solo agent plus yet another CIA team. Mike Burke estimated an agent's chance with all the best …”

Nikolai Kolov carried_out_attack Okhovich host_asserted ▶ 36:29

“In February of 1954, they sent two East Germans plus Captain Nikolai Kolov to Frankfurt to execute the NTS leader. Operation Rhine, as the Russians called their plot, miscarried when Kolov repented an…”

E. Michael Burke member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 37:00

“had by this time become subordinate to the CIA, is suggested by the ease of which the Americans then took Kalaf away from the NTS. Michael Burke had had enough. Returning to Washington in April of 54,…”

CIA carried_out_attack Stepan Bandera host_asserted ▶ 39:01

“a murder attempt. The Russians were more successful with Ukrainian leader Lev Rebit. He was assassinated in 1957. Also killed were two senior Radio Free Europe broadcasters. This campaign climaxed on …”

CIA carried_out_attack Lev Rebit host_asserted ▶ 39:01

Walter Bedell Smith appointed Gordon Gray host_asserted ▶ 40:37

“Guy that would have been in charge was Gordon Gray. General Walter Bedell Smith and William Jackson brought the word. Jackson, a Gray associate since 1930s, represented the token of trust. General Smi…”

Harry S. Truman appointed Gordon Gray host_asserted ▶ 41:30

“From the president's point of view, revising his NSC covert action directive had the purpose of designating a new subcommittee of the National Security Council as the lead authority on approvals. Gray…”

Gordon Gray headed University of North Carolina host_asserted ▶ 41:58

“He had become the head of the University of North Carolina in February of 1950, yet actually did not give up his Army post until April. And even then, he stayed on as a special assistant until Novembe…”

Gordon Gray member_of Carter, Lanyard, and Milburn host_asserted ▶ 42:27

“Gray was the son of Bowman Gray, a tobacco baron and chairman of R.J. Reynolds. Bowman's son could have gone anywhere but chose a state college. Yale Law followed and Gray worked a couple of years at …”

Gordon Gray founded Winston-Salem Journal host_asserted ▶ 42:54

“and then became a newspaper publisher. His two papers, the Winston-Salem Journal and the Twin Cities Sentinel, he also had a radio station, which eventually morphed into a media empire. All the while,…”

CIA funded Radio Free Europe host_asserted ▶ 48:49

“for a free Europe and radio-free Europe remained major priorities for the CIA. Wisner personally attended planning conferences of those organizations in 49 and 50, and he approved their budget because…”

CIA funded National Committee for a Free Europe host_asserted ▶ 48:49

Allen Dulles recruited Tom Braden host_asserted ▶ 49:19

“The agency still had problems, but CIA seemed to have accepted that stimulating creativity required making certain allowances. These were the people who in 1950 spent $34 million in Europe alone on th…”

Tom Braden founded International terrorist organizations host_asserted ▶ 50:53

“lawyer organizations, and media organizations. Those are the exact same things that are being used today in the United States. That's not a coincidence. Once Dulles had settled in as deputy director o…”

Frank Wisner succeeded Allen Dulles host_asserted ▶ 51:55

“and told him to shut up. Braden was able to form his own division. Once Wisner succeeded Dulles as the director of the operations branch, Braden continued to rely on his direct link to Dulles, ignorin…”

Harry S. Truman founded Psychological Strategy Board host_asserted ▶ 53:24

“When that didn't happen, the president took psychological warfare off the NSC's action list. He would settle the matter himself, and he did. On April 4th, he issued orders establishing the Psychologic…”

Gordon Gray headed Psychological Strategy Board host_asserted ▶ 54:19

“The Psychological Strategy Board staff under Gordon Gray constituted a central planning authority. In effect, the staff aimed to become the U.S. command center for all psychological operations. But so…”

Gordon Gray recruited Tracy Barnes host_asserted ▶ 55:14

“The best the Psychological Strategy Board finally achieved was to help prevent interagency rivalries from crippling ongoing field efforts. Gray brought an OSS veteran, Tracy Barnes, as his deputy dire…”

CIA covered_up Psychological Strategy Board host_asserted ▶ 58:36

“The documents on relations with the agency filled just one file. The CIA held back everything. It wouldn't allow them access to its library, upon which the PSB staff depended to encourage the board st…”

Raymond Allen succeeded Gordon Gray host_asserted ▶ 1:00:33

“Gray appealed to Smith to ensure the CIA's representatives would attend the meetings, but Smith refused. In January of 52, Gray resigned. He would be succeeded by Raymond Allen, president of the Unive…”

Alan Kirk succeeded Raymond Allen host_asserted ▶ 1:01:03

“agency had not cooperated with the board the final director of the psychological strategy board was admiral alan kirk who with his background in naval intelligence might have improved the cia relation…”

United Kingdom founded Israel host_asserted ▶ 1:11:50

“And of course, it was the Brits that way back when with the Balfour Agreement that created the beginning of the formation of Israel, which then of course gives birth. And I know Warhamster always says…”

City of London financed_via East India Company host_asserted ▶ 1:14:12

“British colonialism was financed by the city of London. Would you agree with that? East India Trade Company and all this other stuff? There was a lot of vested interest in that company. Okay, so you g…”

Richard Nixon founded United States host_asserted ▶ 1:15:13

“That was Truman, right? What was that? Yeah, over time with the whole petrodollar arrangement. That was Nixon, though. Nixon did that. But I'm just saying that kind of locked in that dollar. But that …”

United Kingdom founded Muslim Brotherhood guest_asserted ▶ 1:39:59

“um the source of that and it's CIA um in post-World War II I'm talking about in the 1980s um Ghost has done an amazing job and I've read a lot of the same things that he has and the formation in the e…”

United Kingdom manipulated Sicilian Mafia guest_asserted ▶ 1:40:29

“It was a tool for them to use. You see the British prior to the creation of Israel in that area, creating, using the, what did they call them? The mafia. They manipulated who became the mafia. And tha…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Israel guest_asserted ▶ 1:41:22

“radical Islam terrorists throughout Operation Gladio to destabilize areas. So I do think there's an analogy there of much of this being not organic by any stretch of the imagination. That's what my re…”