The Colonels Corner Mafia, CIA and George Bush Part 21

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0:00 Good afternoon, Colonel. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Great. Can't complain. It's actually cold here today. What? Well, we're warming up. It's a balmy... Hang on. I mean... 30 degrees. All right. It's 60 here, so it's not the same. No, it's not. But it's definitely cold by our standards. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. Go ahead.

0:29 Oh, I was just going to say, and actually this is an improvement. So, you know, it's January, so we expected. I got my long underwear and my jammies out. There you go. All right. Well, we're live over on Rumble. So we're going to go ahead and get started. Oh, my gosh. I was just going back through the devil's chess board to get caught up.

1:02 and kind of make some notes and do a little bit more research from my pen and inks in the margin from when I read it before. And holy crap, I have to make a post about it because there's, it's funny because as I go through these books and I read them, you know, some of them I read a year ago and I go back through them and I find more stuff.

1:27 that didn't make any sense to me or didn't stand out to me. So I do wanna share something because I love the fact that you guys send me information. K Valentin, it's the initial K, I don't know what the person's actual name is, but that's what they go by on X, had sent me a note about

1:55 the Art of the Deal book where Trump, like in, I think he said it was in chapter 20. I didn't go back and look. I do have that book, but I didn't go check the book out. I did a little bit of research online because he mentions that in that book, Trump talked about a deal that had been offered to him in Texas real estate and oil.

2:23 And I'm like, what's the chance of it being in the 1980s? It was in 1987. And the reference in the book was about a very rich oil man and his son being a geologist. Well, of course, because of this book and the additional research I did when I read this book, I knew exactly who that was. That's the Hunt family.

2:54 The Hunt family, one of the sons was a geologist. And that stood out to me for this reason. Geologists were the ones that went through Latin America embedded in religious organizations.

3:12 Scarping out where all of the resources were when Nelson Rockefeller was doing all of that exploration. It was geologists over in Indonesia that found the oil that was the purest oil that had ever been found and the mountain of gold. So geologists are critical to this enterprise that we've been uncovering. And it just stuck out to me because I've heard about the hunt.

3:39 They're the owners of the Kansas City Chiefs and blah, blah, blah. So they're a very well-known family. And so that was just something that stuck out in my head when I was researching the book we're doing right now. And of course, the book we're doing right now primarily is set in the 1980s. And that is exactly what was offered to Trump. And I just made a post about it thanks to one of you guys providing me that information.

4:07 Because it does, I've said this repeatedly throughout this entire last three years. Trump has been approached on multiple occasions. And we had the one mobster saying that we did try to dirty him up. We just couldn't. There was nothing on him. And this is just another example of that. That he was approached in the 1980s to make quote unquote investments.

4:36 In this entire nefarious bullshit that this entire book is written about. They tried to rope him into it too. And the day of the meeting, he says, you know, he said he was going to do it. And when they came up to meet with him, he's like, I just don't feel good about this. I'm not going to do it.

4:55 That's the same thing with the New Jersey casino. The fact that he was in construction in New York, you know, he had to be hit up all the time for nefarious shit there. And his buying the Resorts International down in the Bahamas that had previously been owned, but he did everything above board. And it's just amazing to me how close he was. The whole Ray Cohn. Wait till you hear about Ray Cohn and the Devils.

5:24 chess board. It does provide, we know some of it because of other books we've done, but he knows all of this stuff because he was in those circles. It's so critical to understand that. He knows the depth and the breadth of what he's doing and he chose to do it anyway. So I just think that's critically important for everybody to understand.

5:52 Everybody is like, oh, you know, he doesn't know who to pick to do all of this stuff. It's all just bullshit. It's just like noise. You need to ignore it. He knows exactly what he's doing. He knows exactly how dirty this entire thing is. And I'm more convinced in every day something new will come up and I get more convinced. So anyway, for whatever that's worth. So let's dig in where we left off.

6:20 We were talking about, Shelly, absolutely, he knows what the F is going on. Thank you, Shelly. All right, so we left off talking about Joffrey and Joffrey's son, Doug. He wanted to get into making the hush kits for the Boeing 707s. One of his original investors and limited partners was John Mecham Jr. Doug, Joffrey's son.

6:48 then formed a joint venture called TRACOR, T-R-A-C-O-R, the Austin-based defense contractor with connections to Michener Circle in Houston to manufacture and install these kits. In 1985, Doug Jaffe was supplying Hush kits to Azima's Buffalo Airways and others. Jaffe's company bought 5707 Pan Ams.

7:14 That had belonged to Azima's Global International Airways and was repossessed after Global filed for bankruptcy. The financing for this purchase came from Tesoro Savings and Loan in Laredo, Texas, which had been implicated in drug money laundering and Western Savings and Loan in Phoenix, Arizona. During this time, Doug Jaffe was also borrowing.

7:42 large amounts of money from two other fraud-ridden savings and loans. In January of 84, Doug was a trustee and bought seven tracts of land totaling 92 acres in a Texas county and signed a $7 million promissory note to Commerce Savings in Angleton, Texas. Jaffe defaulted on the loan two years later. He still owed $5 million.

8:14 Commerce Savings also lent a Longoria Partnership $20 million on land in Austin. Jaffe's property was foreclosed on and sold to Commerce Savings for almost $4 million, leaving a deficit of $1.2 million for which Commerce then sued Jaffe. When this loan was made, Commerce Savings was owned by San Antonio developer John Roberts Jr.

8:43 the Khashoggi business partner who had bought the savings and loan from Jarrett Woods and Woods' brother-in-law, Thomas Perry. They, in turn, were assisted in the sale by Ed McBurney. Woods then bought Western Savings in Dallas while McBurney went on to greater glory at Sunbelt Savings. Roberts sold Commerce in 1984 and bought Summit Savings in Dallas.

9:14 In 1989, he pleaded guilty to fraud at both Summit and Western for using straw borrowers to get up to $4.5 million to buy a private jet for his own personal use. He was sentenced to five years in jail. After Doug Jaffe borrowed the $7.1 million from Commerce in 84, the next year he partnered and bought

9:43 borrowed $13 million on an apartment complex in Austin from McBurney's Sunbelt Savings. Jaffe and his partner, Bob Goodson, defaulted on that loan and then sued Sunbelt's federal receiver to keep the savings and loan from foreclosing on the apartments that he didn't pay for. They later settled the suit by deeding the apartments over to Sunbelt and paying an additional $1.5 million.

10:13 Sunbelt loans takes an added significance when U.S. Congressman Henry Gonzalez, a Democrat from San Antonio, is factored in because Gonzalez was head of the House Banking Committee. He did an admirable job of putting the public spotlight on Charles Keating and his Lincoln savings and Neil Bush at Silverado. But he did little in regard to all of the Texas savings and loan debacle.

10:42 many of which were just as bad, if not worse. The only failed Texas savings and loan that got any attention from Gonzalez was Sunbelt. There was no mention of Jaffe's loan. Perhaps that's because Gonzalez, considered to be a fierce and eccentric independent, owed more political debt to Morris Jaffe than to anyone else.

11:10 Jaffe was one of Gonzales' first major backers when he ran for Congress in 1961 and continued to support him throughout his career. Quote, frankly, I have a great deal of admiration for Morris, unquote. Gonzales told the San Antonio Express News. Gonzales had said that he knew Jaffe because their mothers were good friends when they were growing up in San Antonio.

11:38 He was the one who opened up San Antonio's home ownership for Mexican-American purchasers, he later told the San Antonio newspaper. And why was Gonzalez saying all those nice things about Jaffe? Because Jaffe and his son were under fire for being in the middle of a sweetheart oil deal for House Speaker Jim Wright, another Democratic congressman from Texas. Doug Jaffe arranged for the sale.

12:06 of a practically non-producing oil well in East Texas to a company owned by Wright. This company then sold the well to a West German firm for the price of $400,000 over what Wright had paid for it. That left about $325,000 in profit that went to Wright's blind trust. So that's how you pay off politicians. You buy...

12:37 worthless pieces of crap and then sell them for a huge profit to foreigners. And then you put that money in your blind trust and do whatever the people want you to do. And basically, there's not a lot of record of it during the time it's happening. Wright resigned from Congress later when it was found out what he had done and there were conflicts of interest. He was also investigated.

13:04 but not officially criticized by his House colleagues for his attempt to get federal regulators to go easy on the Texas savings and loan, including Don Dixon's Vernon Savings, Tom Galbert's Independent American Savings, and Scott Mann's Credit Blanc Savings. The author brought up this relationship between Gonzalez and Jaffe, not to try to discredit Gonzalez's integrity.

13:32 which is beyond question, but to show the deep and wide-ranging influence that Jaffe had in the halls of Congress. One question was left dangling about people's savings loan to Ray Corona to add capital to Miami's Sunshine State Bank. How did Haas and his co-owner, Jerry Hawley, come into contact with Miami bad boy, Corona?

14:01 Haas said he did not meet Corona until January of 84, about a month before a $3 million loan was made to him. Quote, I think it was only a couple of times I saw him, unquote. Perhaps Frank Castro made the introductions. People's Managing Officer Joel Daniel said that Haas and Frank Castro were big buddies, but the people's savings never did any business with Castro.

14:31 Haas danced around the questions when the author asked him about Castro. Later in the interview, Haas said that he thought Castro was a lawyer. Then he began speculating on who told me about the author, about him and Castro. When told about Castro's relationship to Tony Fernandez, who used Corona as a front man, Haas replied, quote,

15:06 who would have alluded to that fact, unquote. People's Managing Officer Joel Daniel agreed that the introduction to Corona came from a Florida developer by the name of Harold White. When I asked how he met Harold White, Haas said, let me get back to you. I don't remember. I gotta go get my story straight. Researching Harold White in the Florida public records revealed a number of interesting names and connections.

15:38 White was the son of Armour E. White. He was a principal along with his father in Context Industries, a Miami-based real estate firm. Beginning in June 1979, Context started borrowing money and doing business with Sunshine State Bank. This was a little more than a year after Corona took over the bank. Armour White was the chairman and executive committee member.

16:07 Of context, he was also the third largest individual stockholder. His son, Harold, was a director and vice president of sales. Several people, including Ark Leisner, the former chief examiner of the Texas Savings and Loan Department, said that they had heard that Armour White was a friend of President Reagan's. This could not be corroborated. But he is a close associate of Victor Posner.

16:36 the secretive, reclusive, security-obsessed corporate raider and convicted tax evader, Posner is an old friend of Carl Linder and was part of Michael Milken's inner circle and was rewarded for more than $350 million in junk bonds, as well as an SEC lawsuit charging illegal stock trading. In 74, there were five trustees for Posner's irrevocable trust.

17:06 Posner himself, his son Stephen, two other associates, and Armour White, who was also on the board of directors of Posner's Sharon Steele Corporation. In a list submitted to the Senate Intelligence Committee during the confirmation hearing of William Casey as CIA director, Sharon Steele was listed as a client of Mr. CIA director Bill Casey. Another connection between Posner and the Whites is mafia boss.

17:36 Leonard Palulo, the guy we talked about yesterday. In 82 and 83, the White's Context Industries paid Palulo $80,000 in consulting fees for his work to arrange almost a million dollar loan from Sunshine State Bank. The Miami Herald reported, quote, after months of fruitless pleading with the bank, Context Industries got a new 80, 80.

18:05 $800,000 loan immediately after Palulo's company received its first payment. Sunshine's sudden generosity surprised even Context officials. It was a loan agreement beyond our wildest dreams. Context ex-president Wallace Deal said he had met Palulo through mutual acquaintances in an Atlantic City casino.

18:36 We were so desperate we couldn't pay our bills, unquote. What did Polulu do? The Herald went on, quote, to help contacts merit the new loan. Neither deal nor other company officials involved said they knew, although they considered the payment a cost of doing business, unquote. In other words, it was a payoff. But something doesn't compute with the context explanation.

19:03 For one, the company had been borrowing from Sunshine State Bank since 1979, and Harold White received a personal loan from the bank in 81. Polulu claimed that he had restructured the company's finances and educated them about finance, according to the Miami Herald. However, the chairman of the board and largest stockholder of Context was Robert Evans, the former chairman of American Motors Corporation. The chairman of Evans' industry,

19:34 and the owner of Robert Evans Oil Company. What could a mafia associate and bust-out artist like Palullo teach this man about finance? American Motors Corporation former chairman. Several years after arranging the context loan from Sunshine, Palullo offered to buy Posner's Sharon Steel, where Armour White was a director.

20:06 Posner turned down Polullo, but then hired him as a consultant. From late 1987 to the middle of 88, Posner paid him $1.2 million for consultation on an industry he'd never been in. Polullo then tried to buy some of Posner's companies, including DWG Corporation. Posner again declined. By the time Robert Evans bought

20:38 The White's Out of Context Industries in 85, Harold White was doing real estate deals with People's Savings and also a key Bistain restaurant owner named Donald Berg. Berg was an associate of Richard Nixon's banker, B.B. Roboso, and of Lou Chesler, the Meyer Lansky's front man, whose phone number appeared in Lawrence Freeman's.

21:08 telephone book. Berg also told Newsday that he was well acquainted with Chesler. Berg and Roboso, along with former U.S. Senator George Smather's brother, formed Cape Florida Development Company, in which Richard Nixon invested. In a book called The Fish is Red, it is described as a key,

21:37 who fraternized with Lansky's gaming manager, Lou Chesler, on the one hand and Richard Nixon on the other. The Secret Service later cringed every time Berg and Nixon got together. In 1967, Roboso brought Nixon to keep a sane to pose for publicity pictures with him and Berg in order to promote the development. In gratitude, Nixon was allowed to buy two lots.

22:07 at a reduced price. Berg and Harold White were involved together as officers and directors in at least six Florida corporations, including one called Bergen White Incorporated. Their attorney, registered agent, and several cases, fellow officer and director in those business entities was Truman Skinner.

22:33 In 82, Skinner pled guilty to two misdemeanors in the so-called Outrigger scandal involving loans to organized crime associates from the Miami National Bank, the bank formerly controlled by Lansky's associate in which Ray Corona got his start in banking. In 76, the Outrigger loans were made. Skinner was the Miami National's lawyer.

23:02 and chairman of his loan committee. He was indicted for mail fraud, making false statements to bank examiners, filing false bank records, loan fraud, and racketeering. His criminal defense attorney would also represent Ray Corona in his criminal problems. At the same time, Skinner was a senior partner in the law firm of a super CIA spook, Paul Helliwell, who had also represented Miami National.

23:32 When Paul Helliwell died on Christmas Eve 1976, Skinner took over as head of the law firm. He resigned from the firm after pleading guilty. Skinner had represented Berg for some time, according to Dade County court records. Berg was also the director of Credit Bank in Miami, which was connected to Paul Helliwell's Castle Bank. The entire thing is CIA.

24:02 And they're all connected with the mafia and former presidents, to include a current president at the time, George Bush. When People's Savings lent $3 million to Ray Corona in February of 84, it also made a $2.3 million loan to Harold White. The loan was a second mortgage on White's Miami office building.

24:34 The first mortgage was for almost $7 million and had come from Sunrise Savings in Boynton Beach. Sunshine State Bank also made it into the deal when it lent $2 million and then bought a $500,000 mortgage on the property. Eventually, Haas and Hawley got a piece of the construction action in a project for the company that they had formed in Florida.

25:01 When Sunrise failed in July of 1985 and claimed that White defaulted on his loan owing almost $5 million, White sued Sunrise, claiming it had stopped funding his loan. Sunrise jumped in with its own lawsuit, and then Haas and Hawley filed suit. It was a great big legal mess, but ultimately the outcome was the project never got built, and Sunrise, Sunshine, and Peoples all went bankrupt.

25:32 Sunrise, which Victor Posner was trying to buy at one time, was one of the first big savings and loan failures in the country at the cost of about $680 million to UNI. In 1989, the federal agency responsible for managing the assets of all the failed savings and loan stated that four-fifths of its holdings east of the Mississippi were the result of Sunrise's failure.

26:00 Sunrise was founded and controlled by Philadelphia's second largest law firm, Blank, Rome, Comiskey, and Macaulay, which agreed to pay $50 million in 88 to settle a civil lawsuit by the feds alleging misconduct in their oversight. No kidding. Among the borrowers at Sunrise were Ray Corona, whose company Litico owed $5 million,

26:31 which was guaranteed by Corona, Rafael Corona, who had borrowed $150,000 to pay interest on a Litico's delinquent loan. And that obviously is a reoccurring theme through this entire book. They take out a loan, they can't make the loan payment, and then they get another one of these savings and loans to loan them money to bring up the loan they couldn't pay to Current.

26:59 So you can just see the domino effect when it all goes to hell in a handbasket because they literally had no intentions of paying any of these loans back. Harold White, who in addition to his $7 million loan for the office building, had also borrowed $400,000 on 12 condos in Miami and then was sued by Sunrise Federal Receiver to foreclose the mortgage that he still owed almost $300,000 on.

27:31 One of the biggest borrowers at Sunrise with a total of $30 million was John Riddle. That's the guy we talked about several chapters ago that was one of the fellow Kappa Sigma guys. He had borrowed money on some seven Houston area strip shopping center projects. Sunrise federal receiver sued Riddle for $15 million he still owed on the loans.

28:02 was reportedly introduced to Sunrise by Laddie Howard, who had worked at Mainland Savings and Lamar Savings in Austin before heading over to Sunrise's Houston office. Howard had borrowed $150,000 from Sunbelt Savings in Dallas to buy the stock in Sunrise Savings. It's just a pyramid scheme. The entire thing's a pyramid scheme.

28:29 Unbelievably, the Florida prosecutors who apparently had no idea who Riddle was or what he was doing in savings and loans in Texas gave Riddle immunity from prosecution for testifying against the Sunrise officers. He's a crook. During the 1989 criminal trial of several Sunrise executives, there was incredible testimony about Vice President George Bush's

28:56 interference in Sunrise federal oversight. This testimony for the prosecution by a convicted white-collar criminal received little media attention in Miami, much less nationwide. But the Miami Review, a local legal paper, wrote an extensive story on the trial and spotlighted the testimony. The story told by Ronald Berkowitz, a lone advisor, was confirmed by an official close to Sunrise.

29:26 Berkovich testified that in 1984, Sunrise CEO Robert Jacoby met with Bush in his VP office, where Jacoby complained that federal examiners were being too tough on Sunrise. The embarrassing situation was created when Mr. Bush, Vice President Bush at the time, called a lady who was in a position underneath Edwin Gray at the time.

29:52 who was the head of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, and reprimanded her in front of Jacoby. Berkovich testified, Bush told the unidentified woman to back off Sunrise. Jacoby's meeting with Bush was arranged by an unidentified strong political friend. This was the first and only public evidence of George Bush's direct intervention in the savings and loan matter.

30:22 It seems curious that it would be for a Florida savings and loan rather than for one in Texas or Colorado. However, considering Sunrise's big Houston office ran by former mainland savings official, its loans to Corona and White and the big loans to John Riddle, who was Robert Corson's buddy and alleged weapons trafficker to the Middle East, it wasn't surprising at all.

30:50 One officer at Sunrise who bailed out before the trouble hit was David Devaney, who had come to Sunrise from Hill Financial Savings in Red Hill, Pennsylvania. Devaney became a savings and loan consultant after leaving Sunrise and helped bring together all the various participants in the $200 million, 21,000 acre land deal with the DuPont family in the Florida Panhandle.

31:20 These parties included DuPont, who was the largest private landowner in Florida, Robert Corson and John Riddle, Mike Adkinson, Lawrence Freeman, Hill Savings and Loan, and Corson's Vision Bonk Savings, which provided some of the financing. Some $7 million of Vision Bonk money

31:47 went to the Isle of Jersey company that was also handling Jack DeVoe's drug trafficking and John Dick's trust funds, i.e. the CIA's money that they laundered there. If this complex deal has confounded many FBI agents, federal prosecutors, federal regulators, and journalists, there's a reason. And that reason probably has...

32:15 Ed Ball lifting his glass, muttering an epitaph and smiling from beyond the grate. So they make it extra convoluted so they can all pretend that they couldn't get to the bottom of it. Moving on. Ed Ball. Who is Ed Ball? Originally from Virginia, Ed Ball began his career as a traveling salesman in California. He ended up in Jacksonville, Florida.

32:49 in the 1920s. Following after his brother-in-law, Alfred DuPont, the great black gunpowder man in the country, Alfred had feuded and split with his Wilmington, Delaware kin, one of the richest, most powerful, most famous families in America, and moved with his third wife, Jessie Ball DuPont, to the warmer climate of Florida. Ed Ball is...

33:19 Jesse Ball's brother. The first order of business in Florida was to buy a bank. Because, you know, that's what all rich people do. Ed Ball was assigned that job. And like a good cutout, he bought up controlling shares of Florida National Bank of Jacksonville. Next on the empire building agenda, of course, was land and lots of it. DuPont and Ball bought hundreds of thousands of acres in Florida.

33:48 much of it backwater neglected panhandle property at $2 to $3 an acre. After Alford died in 1935, before he could get much further in his Florida dealings, he left most of his $55 million estate to his wife, Jessie, who along with her brother, Ed, took control of the fortune. For her part, Jessie established Nemours Foundation.

34:16 and build a hospital in Delaware for elderly and crippled children. Even though she, not the foundation, received the lion's share of the income of the estate. For his part, Ed Ball devoted his energies to preserving, protecting, and expanding that empire. The most infamous of these Houston foundations that were set up is Herman...

34:46 Hospital Estate, which made headlines in 85 with a scandal involving self-dealing, theft, and extravagant perks. The hospital was established as a charity, but was spending less than 10% of its income on poor patients. One of Herman's trustees was none other than Walt Michener Jr. He had taken his father's place on the board.

35:12 The Houston Post published a story about how Walt Jr. engineered a deal in which Herman Estate bought a large track of land north of Houston at the same time he and his father's company bought an adjacent large track. They bought the land cheap because there was a landfill being planned nearby and then stopped the landfill because they arranged for the permit not to be issued.

35:42 Later, Vincent and Elkins created a non-profit pseudo-government corporation to perform flood control work to drain the flood-prone area, exacerbating flooding for everybody else all around it. The Michners then sold out for an unknown profit when it became clear they weren't going to be able to put a horse track racing facility on the property. Herman Estate continued to hold their land.

36:13 When Michener Sr. was on the Herman board, it instituted its famous Life Flight Helicopter Service. This pains me to say this. The hospital hired Evergreen Air, the CIA front company, to run Life Flight.

36:39 One of the first moves Ed Ball made after Alfred DuPont died was to build up the St. Joe Paper Company, which Alfred had just started, at the town of Port St. Joe on the northwest coast of Florida. Ball had a huge paper mill constructed. Today, it puts out half a million tons a year of paperboard and pulp. Ball then increased his Timberland holdings to more than a million acres.

37:09 to feed the mill. Ball expanded the Florida National Bank umbrella to 30 banks across the state, making it the largest in the state and the largest in the country south of Philadelphia. He then bought Florida's most important railroad, Florida East Coast Railroad, running from Jacksonville to Miami. He also purchased more than five

37:34 Excuse me, 50,000 acres of sugar cane property in South Central Florida. He constructed a processing plant for the cane. Finally, no empire is complete without its politicians. And Ed Ball bought many of them. In the most infamous incident that became public, Ball took on U.S. Senator Claude Pepper after supporting him for years.

38:05 Because he thought Pepper was getting too liberal. In 1950, Ball put up George Smathers to run against the senator and then orchestrated a smear campaign. This included calling the incumbent Red Pepper, accusing him of being a communist, and hiring an ex-FBI agent to put together a pamphlet calling him, the title of which was The Red Record.

38:34 of Senator Paul Claude Pepper. Smathers won. In a 1970s book entitled Richard Nixon and the Mafia, New York Times reporter Jeff Gerth described how Smathers, Ball, and B.B. Roboso were good friends and that Ball was involved in key besting real estate deals that touched these men as well as Donald Burke.

39:05 One of Ball's closest friends and business associate was Raymond Mason. He controlled the Charter Company, which was the primary affiliate of Charter Oil Company. In 1992, Ball and Mason swapped stock in their companies, Charter gaining 8% of St. Joe and St. Joe got 23% of Charter, making it the oil company's largest shareholder.

39:33 Charter Oil was in the middle of a so-called Billy Gates scandal with Billy Carter, the brother of Jimmy Carter, and that was during his Libya fiasco to be in the middleman to secure oil. Ball also sold Mason the Alfred DuPont estate and mansion south of Jacksonville.

40:03 where his sister, Jessie, had lived until her death in 1970. Mason co-authored a biography of Ball titled Confusion to the Enemy. Together, the two traveled all over the world in Mason's jet, rubbing elbows with Middle Eastern sheiks, the Shah of Iran, King Hussein of Jordan, and Robert Vesco.

40:30 When Vasco was trying to get Ball and Mason to buy one of his companies, Ball allegedly told Vasco, I had a dream that you and I slept together on a cold night. In the morning, you had all the blankets. At one time, Vasco served on the board of directors of a DuPont company, All American Engineering. Ball and Mason also owned together the Little Grove Inn on the Isle of Jersey.

40:58 in the middle of CIA drug trafficking and weapons trafficking, money laundering operations. They owned the inn. This inn was discussed when we talked about John Dick, who owned a mansion near the inn. Although Ball was a security nut, in one house he owned, he allegedly cut portals into the wall in which he could place machine guns.

41:29 in case there was a shootout. But he certainly ran in the circles of the CIA, along with Raymond Mason. The next item on the itinerary was one of the most exciting and pleasurable experiences of their worldwide trip. It was a meeting with the Shah of Iran. Quote, Tehran was the site of the longest layover on the trip. We stayed for almost a week.

42:02 While visiting with his majesty, Mr. Ball confessed his regrets that he was not 45 years younger so that he would be around to watch the growth and development of the country. That didn't work out very well. Among the people he met in Iran and the subjects that were discussed were the following. A meeting with Oswald's Sugar Corporation with the idea of taking over some sugar land to grow sugar.

42:31 Using the expertise of Talisman Sugar Company, a subsidiary of St. Joe's, and selling it to Iran, the Shah expressed interest in building sugar refineries on land in Australia if our trip there proved successful. A meeting with the housing and insurance officials of whom Charter Company had negotiated the planning and financing of insuring mortgages on a $500 million new town development.

43:01 in Iran. Mr. Ball spoke with the American ambassador to Iran, who just so happened to be at that time, the former CIA director, Richard Helms, and several banking interests, about a 35% interest in the Iranian bank. The final stop was at an oil sheikdom.

43:32 on the southern coast of the Persian Gulf, known as Doha, for another discussion about oil concessions, one which covers an area of 300 million acres of dry land. Ball had purchased Talisman Sugar Company. All right, Bridget, you get one guess. Guess who Ball purchased Talisman Sugar Company from. I don't get it.

44:10 Chiquita Banana. William Polly. Oh, of course. William Polly, Mr. Sugar Plantation in Cuba. William Polly. William Polly of the give all of the aircraft from Curtis Aircraft to Chiang Kai-shek in Taiwan. William Polly. William Polly, who would go on to be the U.S. ambassador to Panama.

44:36 Well, he had already been, excuse me, he had already been the ambassador to Panama. You know, Panama, like where all of the money laundering and drug trafficking and all that other stuff went on under the guise of the CIA. That William Polly, the same guy that created the Flying Tigers, that William Polly. That's crazy. Such a big giveaway. Yes.

45:05 100% William Polly was intelligent. 100%. Yeah. So Ball purchased Talisman Sugar Company from William Polly. In fact, it was William Polly who had helped transform the airline company into CIA's Civil Air Transport, the umbrella company for Air America. And that is true. Polly also was involved in the CIA coup in Guatemala in 54. Yes, he was.

45:36 and helped the CIA recruit Cuban exiles for all of their adventures against Cuba. Same William Polly. The William Polly that owned the airline in Cuba, that owned a whole bunch of sugar plantations, and the bus line that the mafia used in Cuba. They got kicked out of Cuba and was pissed off about that, and used his own private yacht to launch an attack against Cuba that also failed.

46:03 After Ball died in 1981, his successor, C.J. Jake Boleyn, reversed stock swapped with Charter in 1983. The next year, Charter filed for bankruptcy, and then in 87, 51% of its stock was purchased by Mason's friend and associate, Carl Lender. More than 10 years earlier, Mason had met Lender and bought several of his companies in 1968.

46:32 Ball lost his fight in Congress to stop a law that required him to divest A.I. DuPont Trust of its controlling interest in Florida National Bank, primarily because of his gruesome labor practices and union busting at the railroad, which were interfering with the operations in Cape Canaveral. But the trust and he and his sister still own 35% of the shares in the bank and maintain virtual control anyway.

47:02 Ball also carried on a continuous fight with the Attorney General in Florida and Delaware over the amount of money remitted to the trust for the Nemore Foundation, which operated several hospitals and clinics in Delaware and Florida for elderly and crippled children. Alfred I. DuPont's testamentary trust owns the assets of the empire.

47:29 primarily in the form of stock in various companies, including St. Joe Paper Company, the Florida East Coast Railroad. The trust beneficiary is the Nemore Foundation, which owns and operates the hospitals and clinics. The money flows this way. The companies make profits and pay stock dividends to the trust, which in turn makes contributions to the foundation. If it were a normal charity,

47:56 it would be required to pay an amount equal to at least 5% of the assets of the trust to the foundation each year. But the way it's set up, there can be several impediments to the flow of money. The companies might not make a profit and thus might not pay any dividends to the stockholder, the trust, or the companies might retain their profits rather than paying them in dividends. Ball evaded the requirement that charitable foundations make annual expenditures

48:25 on charity equal to at least 5% of their total assets by classifying his system as a hospital. Then before he died, Ball was sued by the state of Delaware and Florida, which alleged he was not spending enough of the profits on charity. Ball preferred reinvesting the profits in the paper company and railroad rather than spending them on medical care. The trust

48:51 which had been paying about 1% of its assets to the foundation each year, agreed to settle the Florida and Delaware lawsuits by upping the percentage to three. Ball then hired an auditor to lower the appraised value of the assets of the trust from $1 billion to $640 million when its fair market value was closer to $2 billion. In effect, this lowered the amount that they were required to pay.

49:20 So this is the generosity of these people that if they're ordered to do something they don't want to do, they just change the math. Thus, if the trust was treated as a normal charity, it would have been getting about $100 million a year to the foundation, 5% of the $2 billion. Instead, under the settlement and new value of the trust assets, it would pay out about $20 million, not $100 million to the charity.

49:52 Fred Silverman, an assistant attorney general in Delaware, had led the fight to try to get more money spent on the charity. We try to keep an eye on them as best we can, which is not good at all. They cook the books and make the 3% as small as possible. Finally, Ball died in 81 at the age of 93. Even in death, he confused his enemies by leaving his entire personal estate valued at about

50:17 $100 million to the Nemore Foundation for curable crippled children in Florida, whom he hadn't cared a whit about in life. Author Gerald Colby wrote a book called DuPont Dynasty Behind the Nylon Curtain, believes that Ball was still up to no good, even in death. And what of crippled children, wrote Colby? Belen, the trustee of Ed Ball's personal estate,

50:48 is dipping into the $100 million fortune that was left behind. This included a sizable chunk of real estate near Titusville. We've sold some to McDonnell Douglas and some to Hughes Aircraft, he explained. We've reinvested the proceeds in government securities to produce income. As we continue to liquidate assets from Mr. Ball's estate, the income flow will increase. So even in death,

51:19 They weren't getting their money. This leaves the Alfred I. DuPont estate intact. Ed's personal fortune proved to be his greatest secret weapon, a ready source of cash that Boleyn could use to protect Ed's empire from the crippled children. Ball's successor, Jake Boleyn, has a personality that is entirely different from his old boss. He's a Florida redneck, a good old boy.

51:50 Belen replaced Ball's picture of the Shah of Iran in his office with his favorite Confederate generals, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. In 1988, St. Joe Paper Company paid $2 million to settle a racial discrimination lawsuit that charged that the company had separate job categories for whites and blacks. But in terms of being miserly,

52:16 The DuPont assets and its expansion empire, Belen, who had started working at St. Joe's in 1938, was an equal to Ball. For example, 21,000 acres and six miles of beachfront property that St. Joe Paper Company owned in Walton County near Destin between Pensacola and Panama City.

52:42 Pristine beaches and inland freshwater lakes had been called the finest golf property left available for development. Ed Ball, fronting for Alfred DuPont, bought most of this land for $11 an acre in 1925. By 1981, just after Ball's death, Boleyn announced that the next 10 years he wanted to turn the property into a playground of America, complete with condominiums, shopping centers, and recreational cities.

53:11 facilities. But Belen, like Ball before him, came under pressure from Delaware and Florida to increase contributions to Nemours Foundation. So instead of developing the property, he put it up for sale. Many major Florida developers expressed interest in the property, but according to Belen, they all wanted to do some kind of a joint venture. No one wanted to put up any money. No one, that is, except for Mike Atkinson. The small-time

53:40 houston home builder showed up in early 1985 wanting it i like mike we're a couple of west florida rednecks he's from crestview and i'm from defaniac springs so i figured we'd get along fine on the surface adkinson appeared to be just another two-bit home builder who had kicked around a lot of places and never made much money he had been born in 1948 he grew up in florida and southern mississippi

54:09 Drafted in the Army in 68, he served for two years, including a stint in Germany. He went to work as a foreman for a Florida construction company and from there created his own company. He went broke two years later in 1974. Atkinson then joined Taylor Construction Company and he traveled all over the country building homes on Air Force bases and Army bases. After three years of that, he settled in San Antonio where he worked for Regal Homes.

54:39 Two years later, in 79, he transferred to Houston, where he worked for another two years as vice president in charge of their Houston operations. Atkinson quit Regal Homes and formed Development Group Inc. with Frank Gammon Jr., the treasurer of Regal Homes. But two months after he and Gammon created Development Group, referred to as DGI,

55:09 which is the exact same initials of Fidel Castro's intel, just FYI. Atkinson got involved in something that showed he had moved into different circles altogether. He traveled to Kuwait and other Middle Eastern countries and began representing some wealthy Arabs. You know, like when he got to Houston, he got inducted to the CIA, like all the rest of these people. Atkinson was taken to Kuwait and introduced around September of 81.

55:39 by Mary Faza, F-A-Z-A, who had came from a wealthy Kuwaiti family with connections to the royal family. Faza said she met Atkinson when she bought a house in Houston from his brother. Michael didn't have a penny when I took him to the Middle East. Among the Arabs whom Faza introduced Atkinson to was Ahmed Al-Babdan.

56:07 a wealthy Saudi Arabian who had a car dealership in Kuwait. Also, Nazi al-Dajani, who owned a construction company in Saudi Arabia. Atkinson began arranging investments in Houston for his newfound clients, but ended up cheating Baza and all the rest of them. By then, Atkinson had moved on to work with other people in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq.

56:37 Faza would tell the author, I believe he was into arms. No kidding. I heard about gun deals, but I don't know anything about him. He had a lot of money real quick. Joseph Haley, who was his accountant, said Atkinson bragged to him about making gun deals. He would make remarks about far-reaching powers and how to get arms out of the country. He was aware that he was part of something big. Mike was too dumb.

57:07 He said Mike was too dumb to be CIA, but they could use him as a pawn. One official close to a federal investigation of Atkinson and the Florida land deal said that Atkinson was asked in a deposition whether he worked for the CIA. And his reply, of course, is the standard CIA reply. He's not allowed to disclose. Haley also volunteered that both he and Atkinson know Harry Adderholt.

57:40 That's the special forces guy, retired Air Force general who lived in Fort Walton Beach, right down the road from St. Joe. Paper company. Adderhall was kind of the father in the Air Force of unconventional warfare. He served under General Singlet, Mr. CIA front himself, World Anti-Communist League, Philippine terrorists, all that stuff.

58:14 Adderholt, the unconventional warfare editor of Soldier of Fortune, is president of the Air Commando Association, which provides relief assistance to counter-revolutionary groups like the Contras. Ailey said that Adderholt asked Atkinson about sponsoring medical facilities in third world countries. By the end of 1982, Atkinson had come to the attention of several heavyweights in Houston.

58:45 perhaps through his Middle East activities and connections, perhaps through his home building. In a financial statement in November of 1982, Atkinson listed Walter Michener's company as a credit reference. And it was reported through Michener that Atkinson got into the deal that really put the Florida Redneck on the map. In 1983, Atkinson approached the owners of a Houston shopping center with an offer to buy it.

59:14 The property was the old Meyerlin Shopping Center built by George Meyer in the 50s in the midst of a large, wealthy Jewish community in southwest Houston. Atkinson and his lawyer, Robert Collins, went to see the matriarch of the Myers family who had graduated from Rice University, the daughter of George Meyer and one of the Grand Doms in Houston.

59:46 Impression she told the author was, I couldn't stand them. She said that Atkinson and Collins basically gave her the creeps. She ran them out of her office. Hess didn't want to sell the shopping center, much less sell it to him, Atkinson. But she admitted she had some younger members of the family that wanted to sell, but she fought them.

1:00:15 Hess finally went along with her family, but they decided they wanted to sell for at least $35 million. The New York developer, Arthur Fisher, who operated another shopping center in Houston, was the first who wanted to buy it. But he dropped out, saying the center was only worth about $25 million. Eventually, Atkinson and Collins showed up again. They said they would pay the $35 million, but they weren't interested in the shopping center.

1:00:40 There's something wrong with people who want to spend $35 million and don't want the shopping center. Several weeks before Atkinson showed up at her door, Hess was in a downtown Houston visiting her attorneys who happened to be Fulbright and Jaworski, the same nefarious group. She had ran into Walter Michener. Walter and I had been good friends. He asked me, why don't you sell that place?

1:01:13 You're not doing anything with it anyway. You just need to retire. So several weeks later, Atkinson introduced himself to Hess and he told her that Walter Michener had sent him. Haley, Atkinson's accountant, who joined him at the Meyerland deal and before the Florida transaction, told the author that Michener got Atkinson into Meyerland.

1:01:41 However, Michener, when asked about it, said, guess. I don't know him. Not only did Atkinson use Michener as a reference, Michener's allied bank lent Atkinson $5 million to secure part of the shopping center, while Southmark San Joaquino Savings lent at least $7 million, and Continental Savings lent $25 million. All these institutions were all intertwined with...

1:02:12 Herman Beebe the mobster. Atkinson said Beebe was partly responsible for his original rise to stardom. Atkinson knew Beebe well. There was correspondence between the two. Beebe was on his private Rolodex. Joe Cage, the U.S. attorney in the Western District of Louisiana who prosecuted Beebe, said that one day Atkinson showed up at his Shreveport office wanting to do a deal.

1:02:42 Atkinson offered to turn state's evidence against Beebe in exchange for leniency from prosecution in Houston. For some reason, Cage shuttled him off to assist an attorney and nothing apparently ever came of it. Both Beebe and Atkinson are now living in Destin, Florida, and both filed for bankruptcy in Florida court in Pensacola. Atkinson's bankruptcy attorney was John Vinn, who was the trustee in Beebe's bankruptcy.

1:03:12 So they used the same attorney again. All right. So we're going to stop there. We'll talk about the rest of this story tomorrow because there's a lot more to it. A lot. This whole St. Joe story is crazy. Go ahead, Bridget. Okay. This is just kind of nuts. You know, I, okay. You know, Tricor, very beginning.

1:03:48 Sometimes there are certain words that will pop out for whatever reason, and I try to dig down the rabbit hole. Now, Tricor is one that you mentioned in the very beginning of today's space. Okay? You know, they never like to let anything go to waste. So, even though they may have been using it during the Savings and Loan Scandal, they also have used it in other words. Now, Tricor was owned by Westmark Systems. Yes. Okay? Yep. Which was...

1:04:18 You know who the chairman and chief executive was? Hell everybody. Bobby Ray Inman. Yep. Bobby Ray Inman was the department director of the CIA and the deputy director of the NSA. Yeah. Now, do you know who Tricor owned? Who? Little Fuse. Little L-I-T-T-E-L Fuse. Okay. If Little Fuse doesn't seem to ring a bell, I'll put it in more perspective where it will. Do you remember?

1:04:47 Prior to, do you remember the World Trade Center bombing when there just so happened to be some art project? Yeah. Group of kids. Yep. Yeah. Little Fuse owned the boxes that were photographed with them. Yes. Yeah. Okay, so that gives you that connection. It just, you know. I know. It stinks and it connects and it stinks some more. Yes. Just going down that rabbit hole.

1:05:18 It's amazing how if you understand all of this and how it's all connected, which is why I thought this book was critical, you could spend an entire year on this book.

1:05:33 by investigating every one of these companies and going behind the scenes and finding out all of the nefarious connections. Because just about every one of the companies that these people were buying at the time, if you do the research, you're going to find out that every single one of them was, almost every single one of them, was a CIA proprietary.

1:05:56 And that's, you know, I used to think of it as a spider's web, but it really isn't a spider's web so much as it reminds me more of a woven carpet or woven fabric. Yes. Because it just, it may disappear and it's going to pop right back up and there is no space in between these connections. Yes, there's not. It's not like a spider web. No, no. It is a very closely woven network.

1:06:22 of interoperability so that if you get a worn area they just move the rug over a little bit um exactly yeah exactly and you can pull any one thread and the whole thing will totally still stay together yeah um because they just like one goes down the next one pops up like when it's like when i was um doing that research on sensei um you know

1:06:48 They have 47 different emails and, you know, 20 some different phone lines coming in. They can just use another one. SR, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. And thank everyone for attending here on Spaces and Rumble today. You mentioned things in all these stories, and I find these little tidbits and decide to go tracking something down. And I went tracking down George H. Herman Hospital Estate.

1:07:22 hospital was involved in much more than some of the SNL stuff. It was a money laundering operation from the very get-go, which just blew my mind. The other thing that we're talking about here is, yes, they declare bankruptcy, but I bet you he's still living like a kid. Because their money is in the Isle of Jersey. It's not here. Exactly. Yeah.

1:07:51 I mean, that's the whole thing. All of these transactions that are going on, they're skimming money into their offshore accounts. And so the only people that lose in the bankruptcy is us. Their money is safe and secure. Alicia, go ahead. Hi, thank you. One of the things that's coming clear with this chapter for me is there's just really nothing sacred to these people. Nothing.

1:08:22 I mean, nothing. Like, it's just, like, this chapter raises more questions, like someone said earlier, than it answers for me. And there's, like, multiple threads here that I'm like, oh, my gosh, I need to go dig through this and reconsider some of my history, like, some of the things I know about, like, the past and certain areas and really dig in because it's just, it goes so deep. Like, I mean, your average person doesn't know how to.

1:08:49 Even if we wanted to protect our money from the powers that be, I wouldn't know where to begin on this kind of stuff. But they have it down to an art. I mean, you're talking about carpet weaving. They're making criminality an art, essentially, is what we're saying. They have made criminality an art. That is literally their job. And I guess my next question really is...

1:09:14 Have y'all covered any books? Because obviously, I'm assuming after, you know, the scandal came out in the 80s, they probably changed tack for the moving forward. Have y'all covered anything that I could read to kind of get more a look into the stuff post this book, I guess? So what's interesting about this is this entire operation, if you go to

1:09:42 any of the more current books, like we're going to do The Devil's Chessboard, but they all go back to, you know, the post-World War II and how this thing came forward. But then they always also transition into what's going on today. The problem with most of these books that talk about, for example, let me just show you. You don't...

1:10:10 If you don't have the basis down yet, you're not going to understand the nuances of these books. And I want to show you an example. In the devil's chess board, there's a passage on page 190. And I'm just going to read the first couple of sentences. It says, none of this mattered to Alan Dulles. And he's talking about a guy, because I'm going to do a post on this guy.

1:10:39 that when this guy turned up at his office at Sullivan and Cromwell, because he was between his OSS time and being in the CIA, the pertinent fact was that the Romanian had a huge fortune, and he was willing to spend millions of it where Dulles wanted him to, in return for financing Dulles' far-flung anti-communist network from Buenos Aires to Bucharest. Now, see, when somebody reads that,

1:11:08 They're not going to understand. They're talking about Operation Gladio. They're talking about stay behind units. They're talking about the destabilization in that passage. And they're definitely talking about the stay behind network. And in Latin America, specifically in Buenos Aires, that was Operation Condor. In Europe, in Bucharest, it was Operation Gladio, stay behind networks.

1:11:36 That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to give everybody a foundation that when you read more current books, you can then know what you're reading. Because if you don't understand the foundation of how Operation Gladio was set up and the characters involved in setting it up, but once you do understand that and you start reading more current books, you're going to see the repeated pattern of how these operations, for example.

1:12:04 the New York Times article that was written over a year ago now about these secret sites set up along the perimeter of the Donbass region in Ukraine. It talks about in that New York Times article, Ehort Golomoisky, after he was appointed governor of this area, this...

1:12:30 state within Ukraine that bordered the Donbass region. The first action that he did was hire the entire Azov battalion for his quote-unquote National Guard. They're Nazis. They were trained by Otto Skorzeny back in the day. Stetsko, Lebed, all of those guys, Bandera. These are the modern-day versions of the Nazi stay-behind units that were plastered all over Ukraine during World War II.

1:12:59 These are the descendants of that philosophy. So he hires them. And then towards the end of the article, it talks about the CIA going into the area, not just in Ihor Kolomoisky's area, but all the way down the Donbass region and setting up over 20 underground facilities, read Operation Gladio, that they were going to train these

1:13:29 modern day Nazis on how to attack the Donbass region out of these sites, providing them with daily intelligence. And any normal person reading that New York Times, even if you got to the end of the article, which most people won't, you're going to understand you're talking about modern day Gladio operations. As soon as they start talking about these

1:13:56 underground facilities and training these people to basically conduct terrorist activities inside the Donbass region. That started in 2014 in the immediate aftermath of the Maidan coup. And so you're not going to find any book that basically says, hey guys, this is Operation Gladio, except what's her name? Sybil. What's her last name?

1:14:26 She does have, her book is set in 2015-16. And I, hold on a minute, I'll find her. And she does use the term Gladio. Hold on just a second. Sybil Edmonds, E.D.

1:14:49 M-U-N-D-S, I think. I've read her book. She calls it Operation Gladio C or B or something like that. And she does talk about modern day Operation Gladio because she was interpreting Turkish cables for the...

1:15:12 intelligence apparatus in Washington, D.C., and discovered some stuff, become a whistleblower, and, you know, they filed lawsuits to get her to shut up. But it's happening today. It never went away. Does that answer your question, Alicia? Yes, it does. Thank you. Yeah, I just, you know, as I'm bringing the rest of this with y'all, I want to start kind of taking... Yeah. I joined y'all late. Starting to look at that bigger picture and between... I already got the books from the past that you recommended. Yeah.

1:15:43 That will give you a great foundation. Yep. Illini, did you want to add anything? No, no, it's great. I think the Paul Williams book is a pretty good starting point. And then what I like to do is Paul Williams has something on the order of a thousand notes in the back of it. And it's...

1:16:10 it's helpful to run a lot of those to, to grounds. Cause, cause that was something that, you know, for the person who sort of, you know, got, got, you know, one foot in the door and is thinking, you know, do I really want to chase this? Um, the, the way to do it is, is okay. You know, wait, wait, the, the CIA is involved in drugs. What?

1:16:33 Well, you go get the Alfred McCoy book and you find out that he gave a 1972 Senate hearing on this that nobody reported on. And Seymour Hersh ran articles in The New York Times where he basically ran.

1:16:49 some of it to ground too. And then you find out that he had a 1971 interview with, um, uh, Lucien Conine who showed him his medallion that he got from the Corsican mafia. Yeah. Uh, and then he always carried around in his pocket. Okay. That's, that's, that's kind of an, you know, interesting story. It, the trick is to follow the footnotes and, and to consider the source and run it all the way to the ground. And then,

1:17:18 And then all of a sudden, it all starts to make sense. And you've got those references as an additional foundation for it. And that's literally what I did. I got a hold of Paul Williams' book. That was the first book on Gladio I read. And I did exactly what Illini just said. I bought every book that Paul Williams cited in his footnotes. And Bridget had to build me a new bookcase as a result of that.

1:17:48 And unfortunately, I am going to find someone to compile the list of books that I do have. But I made the mistake of counting them and now I'm over 150. I've already filled up the additional bookshelf she had to make for me that goes the 10 feet across the end of my cottage that's storing all of these books. So yeah, and that's what you do.

1:18:16 So each book, you don't have to buy every book in the footnote. I just had decided to do what a line I just said and dive in. So I did buy them. And now I'm much more picky, although I do have most of the books that are used for footnotes now as a result of that. But I am more picky about the books that people cite in their footnotes.

1:18:44 I told you guys, I don't bring any book to you guys that I have not done the due diligence to do exactly what he said in reading the footnotes and doing further research on them so I can gauge the validity.

1:19:00 of the author and whether or not they have a particular spin. And as you've seen, when we talked about the Phoenix program with Doug Williams or Doug Valentine's, people do have spins. It doesn't mean you don't read it. You still read it. You just understand what their spin is. Some people write books that will, they're almost like limited hangout books. Like I will give you an example, the book called The Determined Spy about Frank Wisner's life.

1:19:29 It definitely has a spin on it. But in the 400-page book, I found out a lot about Frank Wisner's life that I had no idea about. So you're going to find additional clues and other operations they did, even if the book is a limited hangout book. The entire book, The Determined Spy, they're weaving a story that Frank Wisner was crazy.

1:19:57 And that most of the things he did was because he was crazy, not because he was an evil person working in the CIA, which he was. But I didn't really care. I understand what the tilt of the book is, but I did find a whole lot of additional material about some of the operations they ran in way more detail than I ever knew. It's a very interesting book. It's a great source book.

1:20:25 um for some of their operations but you just have to kind of gloss over the fact that they're trying to make up a story that he was crazy um anybody that operates in this realm is crazy that's just a going in position and it certainly doesn't justify it but that's the reason why they wrote that book is to try to justify um all of his actions because he was crazy um i i would tell you that alan dallas was crazy um john foster dallas was crazy um but

1:20:52 By any clinical definition, they were crazy. But you still have to read the books and understand what they did. Bridget, go ahead. And one of the, just piling on here, one of the things that may help if you feel like it is go to the Rumble, but you have to go via the web browser. And we set a playlist on all the previous books that the colonel has done. Now, the bonus side of that is.

1:21:24 When we did these books, it wasn't just reading them like you would an audio book. She puts them in context and kind of weaves them together with the other books that we've done and the other research we did offline. And sometimes, just in my own personal, I would listen to them while I'm working in the shop on bookcases and have a notebook sitting to the side to jot down notes.

1:21:51 It's like names that are just like this trachor, just names that are particularly popping up or areas and locations of things that, you know, we would come across. But anyway, sometimes that's a little less time consuming, but, you know. Yeah, because you can do that in other things. Right.

1:22:12 Alicia, I think in order to update this, you're asking about – this book was written in the early 90s about events in the 1980s and the 70s. To update it to the current day, Colonel recently went through Kevin Shipp's book, Twilight of the Shadow Government.

1:22:32 And Kevin Shipp kind of does a pretty good job of, he covers Operation Gladio. Yes, he does. And he's got his own references in there. And what Shipp is really good at is using admissions against interest.

1:22:46 you know, by, you know, authors like, you know, Dulles and Ted Shackley, he'll use their books and then he'll cite, he'll quote the words back to them. Yes. And to say, okay, this is how far you guys are willing to admit. You guys are forced to admit that all of this happened. Here's the difference of opinion where I think this continues.

1:23:10 And this narrative actually makes more sense. Yes. But what Kevin Shipp does is the book came out, you know, I think in the past 24 months or so. Yes, it's a very recent book. It's a relatively, and Kevin Shipp, for background, he was a CIA operative who was also part of, you know, he was in charge also, I think, of State Department security programs. Yes. He was affiliated against.

1:23:40 He was actually an agent, not an operative. He was an agent. He was employed as a civilian in the CIA and they tried to kill him and his family. And yes, he is an official whistleblower. So lots of credibility there. And that's basically where I got the adage that if they've not imprisoned you or tried to kill you, you're not really a CIA whistleblower. Yeah.

1:24:10 But thank you for bringing that up, Illini. That is a very recent book, and it highlights the nefarious of the things that they do to people to keep them quiet. SR, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. And welcome to the show, Alicia. What can I tell you? I remember when we first started out on this journey, especially myself.

1:24:40 in getting involved with the Colonel and Bridget and Cousin It and going through a lot of this stuff. And as we went through it, at the very beginning, I recall Bridget building a bookcase and I'm sitting here thinking, Bridget built a bookcase when the Colonel was building her she shed. And I think the she shed was built around the bookcase. Kinda, kinda.

1:25:11 But this gives you an idea about how much the colonel is invested in all of this. And we all are. Show everyone what is going on, what we believe needs to be addressed, no needs to be addressed. Yeah. How we can potentially address it. And thank God for Trump at this point. Thank you, Colonel.

1:25:38 Sure. I do want to recommend, I think our best work was at the very beginning of our spaces. There is a link on my profile that if you say, if you click on show more, it shows you a box link. If you go back to the very beginning, it's a recordings of all of our recorded spaces. If you go back to the very beginning, we started out on spaces because we originally started over on True Social.

1:26:05 And then we started just doing threads on X and then we started doing spaces. At the beginning of our spaces, we did an around the world tour of Operation Gladio and the coups using William Bloom's book called Killing Hope.

1:26:23 that kind of walks through the chronology. We did it by geographical region. His book goes through a chronology of all of the coups. And we did it by region. We did Latin America, the Caribbean, the Asia, the Middle East. And we just kind of walked through all of the coups. Who was the...

1:26:51 oligarch the international syndicate member or members that benefited what was behind the coup resource wise and named names of the companies that basically worked hand in hand with their praetorian guard the cia to overthrow those governments and why they did it

1:27:11 And you come away from that world tour with the distinct impression that there is in fact an international syndicate that uses the collective intelligence agencies because you don't just normally find one, you find several at work in any geographical region during the destabilization.

1:27:34 prep work for the eventual coup. Some were successful, some were not successful. And we kind of just walk through all of the different geography of how they did this stuff. And over the course of time, you know, sometimes they overthrew governments.

1:27:56 multiple times and why they did it and whose interests did it serve. It never served the American people's interest. It always served one of the oligarchs' interest, if not more than one. And now every time you hear people start rabble rousing about doing something like that, that's the first thing you do. You research the ambassador because you find out by doing that.

1:28:25 And some ambassadors just repeatedly, William Polly is one of them, just repeatedly showed up in multiple areas and not even their area. If you guys don't know that, ambassadors generally specialize in a geographical location, like they're either an Asian expert or they're a Latin America expert. But in the case of William Polly, you found him all over.

1:28:50 He was an on-call guy to go in to different areas. The fact that he was an ambassador in Panama, but his big claim to fame originally was in Asia, setting up Chiang Kai-shek's network. That's when you know that they're one of them. Because when they jump geographical regions like that, there's the ambassador on call.

1:29:15 And you can get a feel for who they are over the long term by going through those audios, those recorded spaces, because the same name. And we did those real time. We researched them as we were presenting them. That was very early on in this exercise. We didn't know near all the stuff that we know now, but it was.

1:29:42 in-depth research on every country that we presented throughout that series. And I still think it's some of our best work, even though it was some of our earliest work, because it set the stage for all of this. SR, go ahead, and then I've got to run. Thank you, Colonel. Just to highlight what you're saying here and how things are going on and how they relate today. I reposted earlier.

1:30:13 I believe yesterday, a post from Bridget Fertig at Light on Liberty. And she has a interview out there that she was doing and some video of what was going on or what's going on with all this stuff in Minnesota concerning child care and everything else. In the video, all of a sudden, we not only see money being transported out of the...

1:30:43 out of the nation, but we also see suitcases full of passports from every country in the nation. Now, this signals to me that we're going a lot deeper than just money laundering and playing silly games. When you start taking passports to be used overseas to come into this nation, no doubt.

1:31:14 or go into other nations, wherever they want to go, we're talking something much deeper. Thank you, Colonel. Sure. And thank you for bringing that up. I am telling you guys 100% that this, what's going on in Minnesota is part, it's just the modern day version of this book in the savings and loan industry. They are using...

1:31:40 Just like they used USAID. They are using these programs to money launder our money. And it is not all going to Somalians in the United States. And it is not all going to Somalia. This is just the latest operation to steal our money. And it would have never been allowed to go on.

1:32:07 And the Congress would have never appropriated this money without any oversight if it didn't have something to do with a new version of the savings and loan. You can't do something this big and it not have intelligence ties. You can't. So just buckle up because it's going to get much bigger. Every single, both parties.

1:32:36 are involved in this. And that's going to bear itself out and we're going to see it in real time. We're not going to have to wait 30 years after it to read somebody's book. We're watching it in real time and we need to understand that. This is the complete complicity of the federal, state, county, city.

1:32:57 politicians, both parties involved in it. And it is much bigger when you use refugee populations, all of which have been vetted by the State Department from areas where the CIA and the CIA was rampantly involved in Somalia in overthrowing their government, that Al Shabbat.

1:33:19 whatever you call it, terrorist organization, that whole thing sprung up because of CIA operations. They were the people that were fighting the CIA. And that's the reason why they're called terrorists. And I'm not saying they're good people. I'm just saying that entire apparatus rose up in relative to the destabilization of Somalia. And go look, just do a search on resources in Somalia. Oil.

1:33:48 uranium, all kinds of craps in Somalia. And it's the same footprint over and over again. So, all right, Alicia, and then I got to go. I just want to thank y'all again for all the information. I, you know, I think I've noticed a lot of this throughout a good chunk of my life, but in bits and pieces, never a full picture. It was something that I presumed was happening, but to see it laid out, you know, yeah, laid out of it is just,

1:34:20 It is definitely worth digging into. That's exactly how we started. Yeah, we couldn't believe it. It was it. It's crazy. And I understand how mind boggling it is. And to that point, all of us kind of thought.

1:34:40 something nefarious was going on. But once you actually are able to see the skeleton of it and start hanging things on the skeleton, it takes the form of a live, no kidding, octopus, hydra, whatever you want to call it, rug. And then you can see it completely differently.

1:35:04 which is why we coined the phrase wearing our Gladio glasses. Because once you have them on and you see things for what they really are, you never will be able to unsee them. All right, guys, I gotta run. I am going to be on with CanCon at six on Badlands Media. So hopefully we can see over there in the chat. Take care, everybody.

Entities here

Ed Ball27 Mike Adkinson19 Robert Corson12 Sunrise Savings11 Operation Gladio11 CIA10 St. Joe Paper Company10 Morris Jaffe9 Harold White9 Walter B. Jones Jr.8 A.I. du Pont Trust7 Leonard Palulo7 Context Industries7 Victor Posner6 C. J. Boleyn6 Doug Jaffe6 Alfred I. du Pont5 Donald Berg5 Henry Gonzalez5 Donald Trump5 Nemours Foundation5 Herman Hospital Estate5 Raymond Mason5 Allen Dulles5 George H.W. Bush5 Reza Pahlavi4 Armour E. White4 Truman Skinner4 Kevin Shipp4 Savings and Loan Association4 John Riddle4 Donbass4 Robert Evans4 Jessie Ball du Pont4 Charter Oil Company4 B.B. Roboso3 Jim Wright3 Hunt family3 Meyer Lansky3 Richard Nixon3

Claims made here

Nelson Rockefeller funded Hunt family host_asserted ▶ 2:54

“The Hunt family, one of the sons was a geologist. And that stood out to me for this reason. Geologists were the ones that went through Latin America embedded in religious organizations.…”

Doug Jaffe founded TRACOR documented ▶ 6:48

“then formed a joint venture called TRACOR, T-R-A-C-O-R, the Austin-based defense contractor with connections to Michener Circle in Houston to manufacture and install these kits. In 1985, Doug Jaffe wa…”

Austin Savings and Loan financed_via Doug Jaffe documented ▶ 7:14

“That had belonged to Azima's Global International Airways and was repossessed after Global filed for bankruptcy. The financing for this purchase came from Tesoro Savings and Loan in Laredo, Texas, whi…”

Commerce Savings financed_via Doug Jaffe documented ▶ 7:42

“large amounts of money from two other fraud-ridden savings and loans. In January of 84, Doug was a trustee and bought seven tracts of land totaling 92 acres in a Texas county and signed a $7 million p…”

John Kelly secretly_owned Commerce Savings documented ▶ 8:14

“Commerce Savings also lent a Longoria Partnership $20 million on land in Austin. Jaffe's property was foreclosed on and sold to Commerce Savings for almost $4 million, leaving a deficit of $1.2 millio…”

John Kelly member_of Adnan Khashoggi documented ▶ 8:43

“the Khashoggi business partner who had bought the savings and loan from Jarrett Woods and Woods' brother-in-law, Thomas Perry. They, in turn, were assisted in the sale by Ed McBurney. Woods then bough…”

Savings and Loan Association financed_via Doug Jaffe documented ▶ 9:43

“borrowed $13 million on an apartment complex in Austin from McBurney's Sunbelt Savings. Jaffe and his partner, Bob Goodson, defaulted on that loan and then sued Sunbelt's federal receiver to keep the …”

Henry Gonzalez covered_up Savings and Loan Association host_asserted ▶ 10:42

“many of which were just as bad, if not worse. The only failed Texas savings and loan that got any attention from Gonzalez was Sunbelt. There was no mention of Jaffe's loan. Perhaps that's because Gonz…”

Morris Jaffe funded Henry Gonzalez documented ▶ 11:10

“Jaffe was one of Gonzales' first major backers when he ran for Congress in 1961 and continued to support him throughout his career. Quote, frankly, I have a great deal of admiration for Morris, unquot…”

Doug Jaffe financed_via Jim Wright documented ▶ 12:06

“of a practically non-producing oil well in East Texas to a company owned by Wright. This company then sold the well to a West German firm for the price of $400,000 over what Wright had paid for it. Th…”

Frank Castro recruited Robert Corson speculative ▶ 14:01

“Haas said he did not meet Corona until January of 84, about a month before a $3 million loan was made to him. Quote, I think it was only a couple of times I saw him, unquote. Perhaps Frank Castro made…”

Harold White member_of Context Industries documented ▶ 15:38

“White was the son of Armour E. White. He was a principal along with his father in Context Industries, a Miami-based real estate firm. Beginning in June 1979, Context started borrowing money and doing …”

Victor Posner member_of Michael Milken documented ▶ 16:36

“the secretive, reclusive, security-obsessed corporate raider and convicted tax evader, Posner is an old friend of Carl Linder and was part of Michael Milken's inner circle and was rewarded for more th…”

Sharon Steele Corporation spied_on William Casey documented ▶ 17:06

“Posner himself, his son Stephen, two other associates, and Armour White, who was also on the board of directors of Posner's Sharon Steele Corporation. In a list submitted to the Senate Intelligence Co…”

Leonard Palulo financed_via Context Industries documented ▶ 17:36

“Leonard Palulo, the guy we talked about yesterday. In 82 and 83, the White's Context Industries paid Palulo $80,000 in consulting fees for his work to arrange almost a million dollar loan from Sunshin…”

Leonard Palulo laundered_money_for Context Industries documented ▶ 18:05

“$800,000 loan immediately after Palulo's company received its first payment. Sunshine's sudden generosity surprised even Context officials. It was a loan agreement beyond our wildest dreams. Context e…”

Leonard Palulo financed_via Victor Posner documented ▶ 20:06

“Posner turned down Polullo, but then hired him as a consultant. From late 1987 to the middle of 88, Posner paid him $1.2 million for consultation on an industry he'd never been in. Polullo then tried …”

Lou Chesler front_for Meyer Lansky documented ▶ 20:38

“The White's Out of Context Industries in 85, Harold White was doing real estate deals with People's Savings and also a key Bistain restaurant owner named Donald Berg. Berg was an associate of Richard …”

Donald Berg member_of B.B. Roboso documented ▶ 20:38

Donald Berg member_of Lou Chesler documented ▶ 21:08

“telephone book. Berg also told Newsday that he was well acquainted with Chesler. Berg and Roboso, along with former U.S. Senator George Smather's brother, formed Cape Florida Development Company, in w…”

Truman Skinner laundered_money_for Miami National Bank documented ▶ 22:33

“In 82, Skinner pled guilty to two misdemeanors in the so-called Outrigger scandal involving loans to organized crime associates from the Miami National Bank, the bank formerly controlled by Lansky's a…”

Truman Skinner member_of Paul Helliwell documented ▶ 23:02

“and chairman of his loan committee. He was indicted for mail fraud, making false statements to bank examiners, filing false bank records, loan fraud, and racketeering. His criminal defense attorney wo…”

Paul Helliwell spied_on Castle Bank & Trust host_asserted ▶ 23:32

“When Paul Helliwell died on Christmas Eve 1976, Skinner took over as head of the law firm. He resigned from the firm after pleading guilty. Skinner had represented Berg for some time, according to Dad…”

George H.W. Bush covered_up Sunrise Savings documented ▶ 29:26

“Berkovich testified that in 1984, Sunrise CEO Robert Jacoby met with Bush in his VP office, where Jacoby complained that federal examiners were being too tough on Sunrise. The embarrassing situation w…”

George H.W. Bush ordered_assassination_of Sunrise Savings documented ▶ 29:52

“who was the head of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, and reprimanded her in front of Jacoby. Berkovich testified, Bush told the unidentified woman to back off Sunrise. Jacoby's meet…”

Vision Banc Savings laundered_money_for Jack DeVoe host_asserted ▶ 31:47

“went to the Isle of Jersey company that was also handling Jack DeVoe's drug trafficking and John Dick's trust funds, i.e. the CIA's money that they laundered there. If this complex deal has confounded…”

Ed Ball funded Florida National Bank documented ▶ 33:19

“Jesse Ball's brother. The first order of business in Florida was to buy a bank. Because, you know, that's what all rich people do. Ed Ball was assigned that job. And like a good cutout, he bought up c…”

Alfred I. du Pont founded St. Joe Paper Company documented ▶ 36:39

“One of the first moves Ed Ball made after Alfred DuPont died was to build up the St. Joe Paper Company, which Alfred had just started, at the town of Port St. Joe on the northwest coast of Florida. Ba…”

Ed Ball funded St. Joe Paper Company documented ▶ 36:39

Ed Ball funded Florida East Coast Railway documented ▶ 37:09

“to feed the mill. Ball expanded the Florida National Bank umbrella to 30 banks across the state, making it the largest in the state and the largest in the country south of Philadelphia. He then bought…”

Ed Ball recruited George Smathers documented ▶ 38:05

“Because he thought Pepper was getting too liberal. In 1950, Ball put up George Smathers to run against the senator and then orchestrated a smear campaign. This included calling the incumbent Red Peppe…”

Ed Ball funded George Smathers documented ▶ 38:05

William J. Polk founded Flying Tigers documented ▶ 44:36

“Well, he had already been, excuse me, he had already been the ambassador to Panama. You know, Panama, like where all of the money laundering and drug trafficking and all that other stuff went on under…”

Ed Ball funded Nemours Foundation documented ▶ 47:29

“primarily in the form of stock in various companies, including St. Joe Paper Company, the Florida East Coast Railroad. The trust beneficiary is the Nemore Foundation, which owns and operates the hospi…”

Ed Ball funded St. Joe Paper Company documented ▶ 48:25

“on charity equal to at least 5% of their total assets by classifying his system as a hospital. Then before he died, Ball was sued by the state of Delaware and Florida, which alleged he was not spendin…”

Ed Ball funded Florida East Coast Railway documented ▶ 48:25

Ed Ball funded Nemours Foundation documented ▶ 49:52

“Fred Silverman, an assistant attorney general in Delaware, had led the fight to try to get more money spent on the charity. We try to keep an eye on them as best we can, which is not good at all. They…”

Mike Adkinson funded Regal Homes documented ▶ 54:09

“Drafted in the Army in 68, he served for two years, including a stint in Germany. He went to work as a foreman for a Florida construction company and from there created his own company. He went broke …”

Mike Adkinson funded Taylor Construction Company documented ▶ 54:09

Mike Adkinson funded Development Group Inc. documented ▶ 54:39

“Two years later, in 79, he transferred to Houston, where he worked for another two years as vice president in charge of their Houston operations. Atkinson quit Regal Homes and formed Development Group…”

Westmark Systems secretly_owned Tricor documented ▶ 1:03:48

“Sometimes there are certain words that will pop out for whatever reason, and I try to dig down the rabbit hole. Now, Tricor is one that you mentioned in the very beginning of today's space. Okay? You …”

Tricor secretly_owned Littlefuse documented ▶ 1:04:18

“You know who the chairman and chief executive was? Hell everybody. Bobby Ray Inman. Yep. Bobby Ray Inman was the department director of the CIA and the deputy director of the NSA. Yeah. Now, do you kn…”

Allen Dulles funded Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 1:10:39

“that when this guy turned up at his office at Sullivan and Cromwell, because he was between his OSS time and being in the CIA, the pertinent fact was that the Romanian had a huge fortune, and he was w…”

CIA funded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:11:08

“They're not going to understand. They're talking about Operation Gladio. They're talking about stay behind units. They're talking about the destabilization in that passage. And they're definitely talk…”

Ihor Kolomoisky appointed Azov Battalion host_asserted ▶ 1:12:30

“state within Ukraine that bordered the Donbass region. The first action that he did was hire the entire Azov battalion for his quote-unquote National Guard. They're Nazis. They were trained by Otto Sk…”

Otto Skorzeny trained Azov Battalion host_asserted ▶ 1:12:30

CIA trained Azov Battalion host_asserted ▶ 1:12:59

“These are the descendants of that philosophy. So he hires them. And then towards the end of the article, it talks about the CIA going into the area, not just in Ihor Kolomoisky's area, but all the way…”

Sybil Edmonds exposed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:14:49

“M-U-N-D-S, I think. I've read her book. She calls it Operation Gladio C or B or something like that. And she does talk about modern day Operation Gladio because she was interpreting Turkish cables for…”

Lucien Conein member_of Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:16:49

“some of it to ground too. And then you find out that he had a 1971 interview with, um, uh, Lucien Conine who showed him his medallion that he got from the Corsican mafia. Yeah. Uh, and then he always …”

Frank Wisner member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:19:29

“It definitely has a spin on it. But in the 400-page book, I found out a lot about Frank Wisner's life that I had no idea about. So you're going to find additional clues and other operations they did, …”

Kevin Shipp exposed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:22:32

“And Kevin Shipp kind of does a pretty good job of, he covers Operation Gladio. Yes, he does. And he's got his own references in there. And what Shipp is really good at is using admissions against inte…”

Kevin Shipp member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:23:10

“And this narrative actually makes more sense. Yes. But what Kevin Shipp does is the book came out, you know, I think in the past 24 months or so. Yes, it's a very recent book. It's a relatively, and K…”

William P. Bundy funded Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 1:28:50

“He was an on-call guy to go in to different areas. The fact that he was an ambassador in Panama, but his big claim to fame originally was in Asia, setting up Chiang Kai-shek's network. That's when you…”

CIA overthrew Somalia host_asserted ▶ 1:32:57

“politicians, both parties involved in it. And it is much bigger when you use refugee populations, all of which have been vetted by the State Department from areas where the CIA and the CIA was rampant…”

CIA funded Al-Shabaab host_asserted ▶ 1:33:19

“whatever you call it, terrorist organization, that whole thing sprung up because of CIA operations. They were the people that were fighting the CIA. And that's the reason why they're called terrorists…”