The Colonels Corner Hidden Terrors AJ Langguth Part 10

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0:00 Welcome, everyone. How are you? It's good to see you back, SR71. Bridget? Good afternoon, Colonel. How are you? I'm doing okay. Let's get over here and go live on Rumble as well. I just have to let out a big sigh because we just wrapped up the recording.

0:33 It's going to be a prerecorded session in a long form on Redacted. And I'm like totally blown away. So if I'm like on slow speed today, you'll understand why. Obviously, a big opportunity to get the information for Operation Gladio out in front of a lot of people.

1:03 I spent all weekend, not that I don't know this stuff, but kind of collecting my thoughts because obviously you don't know what's going to come up in the conversation. So I wanted to make sure that I had all my ducks in a row. So I wrote, rewrote, rewrote and rewrote show notes for the.

1:29 episode. And I'm happy to say that I think it went very well. However, because they're a professional studio, they go through an editing process, which means it's likely not going to be shown for 10 days to two weeks. So I just wanted to let everybody know that I will let you know as soon as it's available.

1:59 I got feedback that they thought that it went really well. So I'm happy to report that it's over. We did it. And I'll keep you guys updated on its release. So having said that. Quick question, Colonel, if I may. Sure. You get to see the finished product before it goes, don't you? No.

2:30 I don't. But I'm fine with however they choose to edit it. He obviously, and he meaning Clayton Morris, had kind of the surface knowledge. And just for those of you who aren't aware, this all got started when I heard him mention Operation Gladio on Tucker Carlson's show. And I didn't know.

3:00 obviously what the depth of his knowledge about it. And I was just tickled pink that he like said it out loud since we've spent the last two and a half years researching it. And through connections, obviously Alpha Warrior, we were able to get to Clayton Morris and let him know that we've done all of this research. And he immediately reached out, but that was,

3:30 right around spring break and then kind of lost contact. They were creating a new studio and blah, blah, blah. So just recently, Natalie had posted something and I responded to it and she DM'd me and went, oh my gosh, we completely lost track of getting you on the show. And that's when it was all set up. So long time in coming and I'm fine with whatever.

3:58 they decide to do with it. The fact that information will be provided to everyone is just bonuses for those of us who've been on this mission the entire time of getting this information out. So anyway, let's go ahead and start with what is now part 10 of Hidden Terrors. And we left off in

4:28 the March-April timeframe of 1967 in Uruguay. And there's a colonel, Acuna, A-C-U-N-A, that was head of the police general staff. And through some connections, they were able to make contact with

4:57 William Cantrell, who is the guy we mentioned that was a CIA operator under the cover of Office of Public Safety. So he's actually a CIA agent, but pretending that he works for USAID under the Office of Public Safety.

5:24 Office of Public Safety, other employees regarded one of the cutouts that was used, Bardesio, in not a good light. Officially, he was a police photographer, but Uruguayans knew him for other duties, and they could not understand how the U.S. ever started dealing with him.

5:53 As it happened, more Uruguayans got to know about the Montevideo branch of the police advisory program. The greater question was, how was the U.S. involved with it? Cantrell was widely known to be a CIA officer inside of Uruguay, and he paraded around as if...

6:24 He was protected. Manuel was a guy that he was oftentimes seen with. And Manuel ends up being one of the Cuban exiles. But most Uruguayans who was not familiar with what the CIA was doing.

6:59 oftentimes questioned who this Manuel was because he never talked positively about, he was passed off as a Cuban, but he showed no signs of actually being from Cuba because he was actually, like I said, a CIA operative under the Cuban exile program. So, Senes,

7:31 S-A-E-N-Z had complained privately that he didn't trust Manuel. And Bardazio had observed, again, him being very close to Cantrell. Cantrell not only was using USAID money, he was also using CIA money from the U.S. Embassy.

8:00 Bardasio had begun to work out of the headquarters of what was called the Department of Intelligence Services in the downtown area. Through Cantrell, Bardasio, and other Paraguayan, some policemen observed photographic equipment, radios, and other supplies from USAID's other tentacle called the Office of Information.

8:26 Each morning, Bernazio would pick up Cantrell in an embassy jeep and took him to his new intelligence office. At noon, he took Cantrell to the embassy and then he would leave the embassy, which is obviously where he had a CIA office, and go home. Copies of work done at the embassy was.

8:52 documented on a daily basis. Both the chief of police and the minister of interior knew about this arrangement, but it broke Uruguayan law. Cantrell often visited Inspector Antonio Castanet, another CIA officer, at his office. Other prominent CIA agents around the police

9:25 at large, included Colonel Ventura Rodriguez, and I haven't looked to see if he's actually related to Felix Rodriguez, Monteviego's chief of police, Carlos Martin, the deputy chief of police, Alexandro Otero, who we talked about yesterday, and Inspector Juan Jose Braga, who was the chief torturer. These were all on the payroll of the CIA.

9:56 Torture was not a total novelty in Uruguay, but the use of torture against political prisoners had never happened before. Philip Agee learned otherwise when he went with his CIA station chief, John Horton, to call on Colonel Rodriguez, Monteviego's chief of police.

10:20 The purpose was to involve the chief in a CIA plot that would pressure Uruguay to break diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union. The CIA plan was inventive. Don Conley, the operations officer at the CIA detachment, had chosen four Russians from the Soviet embassy and concocted for them a history of subversion within Uruguay's labor movement. In other words, just make shit up.

10:50 Another CIA man by the name of Robert Reif, R-I-E-F-E, made up stories about leftist officials in Uruguay's union to interlock with Connolly's made-up story, thereby suggesting a conspiracy. A fabricated report was slipped to Uruguayan politicians who would use it to justify severing diplomatic ties with the Soviet Union. Again,

11:18 The entire story is made up. First was to give an appearance of authenticity. Horton and Agee took a CIA dossier that they had made up to the police headquarters. As Rodriguez leafed through the false report, Agee heard a weird sound and it got louder. Agee listened more closely and heard a human screaming.

11:52 He thought it was coming from outside. Rodriguez told his aide to turn up the radio. And on the radio, there was a soccer match. But then the moans had become a scream. And the chief, again, turned the radio up. But the screaming was drowning out the broadcast. Now, he knew that a man was being tortured in a room that was above Rodriguez's office.

12:22 He suspected that the victim may have been Oscar Bonatti, whom McGee had recommended to Otero for detention. The screams continued. Rodriguez finally accepted the CIA's report, and with their mission completed, they left. To most CIA officers, the Uruguayan police was an unending source of weirdness. On one hand, they seemed very inept.

12:53 But on the other hand, they were very efficient. John Horton was a prototype of a sadistic CIA operator. Now, on the drive back, he referred to what they had heard from upstairs and gave his usual nervous laugh. Shortly afterward, Otero confirmed that Vudati had been the man Agui had heard screaming.

13:23 Braga, the deputy chief of investigations, had ordered the torture when Brunati refused to talk. His beatings had gone on for three days. Agee resolved that he would never turn over another name to the police as long as Braga stayed with them. This was not the first time Phil Agee found himself troubled by the work.

13:46 Secrecy no longer seemed glamorous, and the aliases with their surnames always capitalized struck him as weird. In other words, they give examples like the guy Daniel Gabosky was actually Ned Holman. Another guy by the name of Claude Karvanek was Bob Rife, and Jeremy Hodap.

14:14 was Phil Agee's CIA fake name. Other aspects of the job also disturbed him. In Washington, one training duty had been to run name checks for Standard Oil. Standard Oil. You mean Rockefeller? Yeah, that. That's Standard Oil. To reassure the company that it was not employing subversives in its overseas plants. In other words,

14:42 The CIA was acting as the HR department for American oligarchs. The list came in each week from Caracas, where security officers from a Rockefeller subsidiary, Creole Petroleum, was an ex-FBI agent who had worked closely with the CIA. The checks were only part of the game in those days. Now in the field, those same security checks went on with...

15:12 other branches of other U.S. corporations. A club of seven or eight U.S. businessmen met weekly in Montevideo with the U.S. ambassador and the CIA station chief. The head of General Electric's subsidiary was there and a man from Lone Star Cement. They didn't invite a normal participant, International Harvester, because they didn't like that guy. The checks were ran

15:46 out of the CIA station. Faced with both direct and indirect evidence of how his various identifications were being used, Agee could come up with no better solution than not to give the police any more names. What if he had protested the torture? Agee was sure that they would not have listened to him. To have an impact, any protest would have to come from the CIA station chief, who, by the way, was paying them, or the U.S. ambassador.

16:18 Horton's dismissive laugh suggested that he was not going to be one of the ones that was interested in researching the torture. Not long before Mitterrand's arrival in Uruguay, Cantrell's position within the U.S. Embassy began to erode. He had survived the debacle with Manuel the Cuban, but now rumors spread that money irregularities

16:43 were at the root of his troubles. Substantial funds had been made available for intelligence work throughout Monteviego, especially for bribes to informers who could supply information about the workings of Uruguay's political parties. Since those payoffs could hardly be subject to close auditing, every conduit for funds came under suspicion. Was Otero pocketing more than his share?

17:13 was Cantrell accounting for his funds properly. Usually, the CIA didn't want to waste one of its own officers as a chief police advisor. There was too much paperwork for the job, too many public ceremonies to attend, but in Uruguay, Cantrell was being recalled, and it had not worked out to have an easygoing man like Sienes as the chief advisor.

17:43 Although Mitterrand was not a CIA officer from his first day in office, the Uruguayan employees knew at once their routine was going to be tightened. U.S. businessmen who had dropped by to pass an hour found that his successor was all business. Sparing a minute to be sociable, Mitterrand might complain about his pay, how low it was, or various other things that no one was interested in.

18:12 Mitterrand was clearly in charge of police operations in a way Senez had never had been. That change to the top spot of the public safety office had intrigued everyone around the police station. But no one took a keener interest in Mitterrand than a young officer by the name of Miguel Angel Benitez Segova. Benitez had risen.

18:42 to the not inconsiderable rank of sub-commissioner, only two grades below the inspector. As he advanced, he distinguished himself as a very vocal enemy of the Tupomaros. Around police headquarters, Uruguayan and U.S. advisors alike called them a Spanish name for the word whore. But Benitez seemed to take the rebel movement as a personal affront.

19:11 He was quoted as saying, we really ought to get those bastards. That type of a style was not Otero's. As his associates saw it, Otero was still charging out against the Tupamaros like a knight going to battle with a worthy adversary, but he didn't take it personal. For their part, the Tupamaros found Otero the perfect foil.

19:46 Tupomaros were still stealing cash from banks, and they were liberating records from finance companies and published what they found, especially when it exposed fraud within the government. Pacheco's government was failing in public esteem, and pressure was rising. Pacheco responded by invoking emergency security measures. Newspapers were forbidden to use the word Tupomaro.

20:14 or Movement of National Liberation, reporters responded by calling the group the Unmentionables. These were the conditions of Meterone's new assignment. Hold on, Bridget got dropped. Meterone's moved into a two-story house in a quiet residential area. As wife of the chief advisor, Hank took Spanish lessons and involved herself in community affairs.

20:54 She helped run a thrift store for the women from the U.S. consulate. The Tupamaros allowed the new chief advisor no time at all for settling in before they made another dramatic strike. It had been more than a year since Piera Revolval had been released. Now the Tupamaros carried off another wealthy victim. They extorted $60,000 for his return.

21:25 Mitterrand reported to Washington that they probably had been inspired by the kidnapping of Elbrick in Brazil. The police themselves were very vulnerable. When the police chief decided that the children of Jorge Batel's grandnephew should be protected, he sent around two policemen armed with 38 revolvers. Batel spoke with the men and learned they had never even fired a gun.

21:55 Policemen had to supply their own ammunition, and they didn't even have bullets, kind of like Barney Five. Mitterrand also had to deal with another Uruguayan custom. Confronting a criminal, the policeman was training to fire in the air. He was justified in returning gunfire, but never to initiate it. That restriction had to be removed. With Mitterrand in charge, Monteviero

22:23 experienced a marked increase in U.S. equipment being delivered to include tear gas, gas masks, police batons, and other things. When a police commissioner named Juan Maria Lucas, who had studied at the International Police Academy, and Mitterrand had been one of his teachers, upon hearing of Mitterrand's appointment to Monteviero, he called together his assistants, including Benitez,

22:52 and told them, now we have someone who will support our activities. As it had been in Brazil, Mudron's assignment also led to an increase in the number of Uruguayans sent to the United States for training. But these days, all students did not spend their time entirely at the International Police Academy or the CIA's police training in Washington, D.C. In their fifth week,

23:23 The top graduates were sent to Los Fernos, Texas. That's the place that we uncovered a long time ago that teaches you how to set and explode bombs. The instruction at Los Fernos became particularly embarrassing to the Office of Public Safety later on when the press learned that the CIA had been running those courses.

23:49 The Office of Public Safety said that it had asked the U.S. Army to give the training, but the Pentagon had refused. Maybe they didn't have room for it on any of their bases, one of the Office of Public Safety officials said. The obvious answer was that intelligent agents at the Pentagon had picked up traces of what the CIA was doing, and they wanted to keep the Army away from it. However,

24:19 It was later documented that many of the instructors at the Texas school were Green Berets from Fort Bragg that the CIA, having also been present at Fort Bragg, got to teach the classes. The Office of Public Safety could have had an unsalable explanation for sending students to Los Bernos.

24:43 But now the world had entered into a time of bombs and bomb threats. Public opinion might have readily accepted the argument that police needed to learn how to defuse bombs. But the problem for the Office of Public Safety is that's not what they were teaching them. They were teaching them how to build them. The instruction was called TAI. In English, it translated to Investigation of Terrorist Activities.

25:13 But they're the actual terrorists. The students were required to sign oaths of secrecy to live only on the base under permanent guard in tents in an isolated area of Texas. Because remember, what we found out before is that was a decommissioned World War II base. Their course began with a review of explosives like C3.

25:36 and C4. And of course, C4 is what was put in all of the stay-behind units, caches, that we learned earlier in our research. They also were taught how to use TNT. The students were instructed in fuses, how to light them, how to time them, and to overcome their fear, they were made to run on the campus with dynamite. Next, the students

26:04 had to race the clock setting a charge against a gas tank or a telephone pole in a specified amount of time. They learned how to catapult bombs, practicing on camp fences. The students were called guerrillas while they were there because that's what guerrillas do. Given that instruction, it was not surprising that Byron Engel later denied that the International Police Academy students had been shown

26:37 the Battle of Algiers with its scenes of policemen excusing themselves from a dinner party to go off and bomb a rebel's house. Then grenades were handed out and they were taught how to use them too. They were also using anti-personnel mines filled with long nails. Finally, the 30 students in a class from all over Central and South America

27:05 were given an assignment to blow up a convoy of trucks, hit a gas depot that were surrounded by booby traps, and interrupt enemy communications while they were doing it. At the end of the course, one student who asked his host why the training had been given was told, quote, the United States thinks that the moment will come when in each of the friendly countries, they could use a student of confidence who...

27:35 has become a specialist in explosives. That is why the different governments have chosen their favorite persons, unquote. Mitterrand sent at least seven men to take the CIA's course at Los Fernos. Among them was Inspector Lucas, who had just welcomed Mitterrand to Monte Villarda. Another was Sub-Commissioner Benitez,

28:07 who hated the Tuporaros personally. During this period, the CIA station chiefs of Latin America's Southern Cone entered into cooperation. The Western Hemisphere Division had always been an active liaison office, but in 1964, when the CIA's Office of Finance in Washington could not secure enough Chilean money for its election campaign against Salvador Allende,

28:38 It set up regional purchasing offices in Buenos Aires, Rio, Lima, and Monteviedo. Helping out in that emergency, Philip Agee had contacted the assistant manager of the U.S. Bank, First National City Bank of New York in Uruguay, who also was a CIA agent. A CIA agent.

29:10 in a U.S. bank in a foreign country. He sent men to Santiago to buy $100,000 of Chilean money. Those bills were then sent back into Chile in U.S. embassy diplomatic pouches. In the late 1960s, the CIA network began handling matters much more sensitive than just illegal money.

29:36 The agency was putting Brazilian, Argentinian, and Uruguayan military and police officers in touch with each other for training and wiretapping and other intelligence procedures, i.e. Operation Condor, guys. Those contacts also led to surveillance, harassment, and finally the assassination of political exiles in the other countries. That is Operation Gladio, or excuse me, Condor.

30:03 Between the time Allende was elected president of Chile and his overthrow in 1973, the CIA arranged similar meetings between the Brazilian and the Chilean army that opposed Allende. Members of Brazil's death squads were introduced to the police in Buenos Aires and Montevideo. After he shot Carlos Marigala in November 1969, Sergio Flores of

30:33 San Paolo became a celebrated hero among Uruguayan police. He met with groups of them and CIA contacts. One Uruguayan police official, proudly nationalistic, resented the way in which U.S. intelligence officers seemed to be melding the intelligence services of the Southern Cone into a single functioning entity.

31:01 He was convinced that given Uruguay's small size and its position between Argentina and Brazil, that surrendering its autonomy would be harmful to his country. If this work was so valuable in stopping communism, he wondered why the CIA officers take such care of it being secret. Why wasn't it being done out in the open? For example, a high-ranking official from the Argentina...

31:31 Ministry of Justice arrived in Montevideo to discuss ways of monitoring the two countries' political exiles because they planned on killing them. A CIA man had arranged that particular meeting and then found an excuse not to attend it. The Uruguayan, who understood the concept of deniability, wondered why a U.S. intelligence officer could feel his country's reputation was more valuable than Uruguay's.

31:59 The turnover of Uruguayan intelligence to the CIA, in his view, was treason. Despite the motive, despite its express goal of allowing the CIA to protect Uruguay, it was still treason. But the official, until he retired, never said a word. When he did, many years later, it was nervously and after exacting repeated promises of anonymity.

32:26 Had he complained earlier, he would never have been sure whether a colleague agreed with him or not and whether his life would be at risk. William Cantrell's former driver, Bardacio, seemed to have no doubt about the virtue of the CIA's subversive methods. After Cantrell's departure, Bardacio readily accepted assignment to a secret team under the control of the Ministry of Interior.

32:55 His five fellow team members, three came from the traffic police and two came from the police institute. The director of the effort was President Pacheco's personal secretary, Carlos Piran, P-I-R-A-N, who later sent Uruguayans to Buenos Aires for training by the SIDE, which is basically their version of the Operation Condor operatives. While in Buenos Aires,

33:26 Bardasio called on an SIDE captain who gave him three charges of basically explosives to deliver to Peron. Bardasio and his associates then formed an organization which bombed the houses of lawyers and teachers considered sympathetic to Tapamaras. They had done nothing. They were not convicted of talking to them.

33:56 They just thought that they were guilty. On at least one occasion, they killed a suspect they had kidnapped. Bardacio's crew rode to and from their bombings in police cars. After the bomb was exploded, Bardacio would tell the central radio operator at police headquarters where he was leaving their getaway car at. The importance of this illicit life was very important to them.

34:27 In fact, once when Bardacio mentioned when he decided the car issued to him was not adequate, he refused to even carry out the mission. During his first year in Uruguay, Mitterrand's duties became increasingly arduous, but he took time during his first year to enjoy living there. He played golf, spent time with his family, and then there's...

34:56 a whole couple of paragraphs about shipping golf clubs from the U.S. down to him. And he used that as a ruse for playing various golf courses to make rounds around Uruguay to contact other police in other areas outside of the capital.

35:24 The Tupomaros was an urban game, and so he was basically using that as a scouting expedition. Mitterrand wrote his brother Ray in February of 1970, saying the country situation is calm. However, when summer is over and everyone starts thinking about something else besides the beach, it's likely to get more livelier. He also said, I have an office they furnished for me all set up.

35:56 That office was in the police headquarters. Mitterrand also had an office in the Office of Public Safety office. Bennett has once visited Mitterrand's embassy office where there was a camera in the room. There were all kinds of things that had stickers from USAID on them.

36:28 He also was eyeing the windows, and Mitterrand basically said they were all bulletproof, so don't worry about it. In March of 1970, his family in Richmond informed him that his mother's condition was deteriorating, and he basically let them know that if something happened, it would take him two days to get back home, so he needed a little advanced warning. And it just is talking about...

36:55 communications back and forth with his family. And by late March, he did have to return to Richmond. He went by himself to see his mother for the last time. To his closest friends from the Richmond Police Department, he confided something of the dangers in Monteviego. He didn't share any of that, supposedly, with his wife or the children that had accompanied him. He would later write to Ray, the situation here is still pretty.

37:27 And I wish I could have told you more when I was home. I am not trying to alarm you because you know what it's like in most Latin American countries at this time. On April 13th, 1970, a band of Tupomaros shot Inspector Hector Romero Moron Carcuaro to death with a machine gun as he was driving to work.

37:53 In his monthly report to Washington, Mitterrand noted that Moran was a graduate of the International Police Academy and was head of the Monteviego Special Brigade, which specialized in torture. He also wrote that one Uruguayan newspaper had been carrying out a week-long press campaign to vilify Moran as one of the principal police torturers of suspects, because it was true.

38:23 He added that the Panchecos government had closed that particular newspaper down because of a quote-unquote smear campaign. You're not allowed to report the truth. Mitterrand also wrote, For Benitez, the predication about

38:51 meter on from lucas had turned out to be accurate brought a new spirit of dedication and expertise to police work in the land of manana he never postponed today what he or tomorrow what he could do today i learned that word manana in italy because that was the word you got from everybody that was supposed to do anything manana manana which meant tomorrow and tomorrow never came

39:23 In Brazil, he had learned to cooperate with the CIA officials who he felt were the real leaders in the CIA detachments, speaking about Mitterrand. Mitterrand's success in quelling the two Pomoros was going to be a different challenge. Mitterrand had been chief police advisor for only nine months when a respected Uruguayan weekly ran an issue with one word cover, basically torture.

39:52 The magazine was reporting the results of an investigation by members of the Uruguayan Senate who had found that the police were systematically torturing suspected Tupomaros. The methods would not have surprised a Brazilian prisoner. Electric needles under the fingernails, electric shock along the body, particularly on the sexual organs. Mitterrand filled a report of this.

40:18 filed a report of the Senate's findings to the Office of Public Safety in Washington without any elaboration. But in the evaluation section, he wrote, quote, one major problem seems to be that the general public considers the fight won between the police and the extremists and are not too concerned about it until they realize that the activities of the extremists threaten their pursuit of social, political, and economic betterment.

40:46 assist the police by providing information to stop playing ostrich, the situation will not improve in the foreseeable future. In other words, if you don't rat out your neighbors, the punishment will continue. Under the recommendation area on the forum, he put none. One day, a story about Muterum's toughness passed through the ranks of the local police. Benitez noted it was Muterum

41:14 that has been watching a trade union official. He was also watching the head of the bank workers because there was talk about a strike. He also was watching over some of the police clerks when Mitterrand offered ideas on how to break a man like the people that he was watching.

41:41 He had always emphasized finding out as much as possible about a prisoner before the interrogations began. Learn what their breaking points are. Reach it quickly, was his advice. In the case of the labor leader, Mitterrand said, Undress him completely and force him to stand facing the wall. Then have your youngest policeman goose him. Afterwards, put him in a cell and hold him there for three days with nothing to drink.

42:11 On the third day, give him water mixed with urine. In Richmond, Indiana, it was hardly credible that Dan Mitterrand would advocate this type of behavior. You know, because he was a good upstanding Catholic. Also, standing guard at the local police station, a young Montefiago policeman could expect his colleagues to make false passes doing kind of the jovial,

42:47 back and forth. So when Mitterrand said, you basically need to stop playing around and be more professional. Mitterrand directed certain interrogations, and as the equipment for torture became more sophisticated, he gave credit to the change to the chief U.S. police advisor, which of course was Mitterrand. According to the notes, Benitez

43:16 was keeping. When Mitterrand arrived in Montevierte, the police were torturing prisoners with rudimentary electric needles that had come from Argentina. Mitterrand arranged for the police to get newer electric needles. Isn't that nice? And varying thicknesses of them. Some needles were so thin that they could be slipped between your teeth to electrocute you in your mouth.

43:47 Some of the electronic leads, which we've read this before in other books, was shipped into Uruguay in diplomatic pouches. Philip Agee could have informed Benitez that the CIA routinely sent its equipment through the pouches. Even a lie detector as large as a suitcase had came into the CIA dressed up in a diplomatic pouch. Audio and bugging equipment came the same way.

44:16 The Technical Service Division made ingenious use of abundant technological skills in the U.S., giving support to every agency division and supplying experts in listening devices, lockpicking, and photography. It also supplied containers with hidden compartments, methods for secretly opening and closing letters, tools for invisible writing. It provided disguises.

44:43 as the world found out when a former CIA officer named E. Howard Hunt wore a red wig supplied by the agency when he called on a female ITT executive. And of course, we know a lot about ITT and their relationship with the CIA. Under the direction of psychologist James Kuechner, K-E-E-H-N-E-R, the technical services

45:13 Department of the CIA had devised personality tests to merge with other data in order to create psychological profiles on people they were going to torture. The CIA maintained 30,000 dossiers. They had one on Fidel Castro that even mentioned that he had sex with his pants on. I don't know what that matters, but it was in the file.

45:43 They also used it to determine what type of torture would be most effective. The technical services also created hallucinogenic drugs, and it was only 20 years later that the news of these experiments and the resulting deaths were made known. Kietzner observed that most CIA employees were the type of people who could compartmentalize their work in their minds.

46:16 they could do horrible things all day long and go home and forget about it. In the police department of Montevideo, it was a badly kept secret that the technical services department maintained a support office in Panama, which supplied emergency riot guns, tear gas to Latin American armies and police. Under Pacheco, Montevideo

46:42 Metropolitan Guard was shooting so much tear gas that its leaders were constantly badgering the U.S. contacts in Panama to ship more. The weaponry was secretly stowed aboard a military aircraft that flew into the airport on flights that were carrying groceries for U.S. officials. It was well known that the Technical Services Division operated

47:11 another office in Buenos Aires. Only a few Uruguayan police officers learned that the improved torture equipment, the wires, the generators, as well as explosives, were passed through Argentina before they got to Uruguay. When it came to interrogations of the Tupamaros, Mitterrand conveyed his instructions through a few high-ranking Uruguayans like Lucas, but as

47:39 Benitez never saw Mitterrand actually inside a torture room at the police station. Others did. After Mitterrand's murder, male and female prisoners at Uruguayan jails traded stories about his torture. The more reliable information about his activities came from Uruguayan police officers themselves. One officer later recalled Mitterrand coming into a third floor room.

48:09 while the police were administering electric shocks to a Tupomaro suspect. Mitterrand had come in only for a minute to ask for other information. The prisoner heard Mitterrand's voice and shouted an insult about him being a Yankee. The officer who observed the incident said that Mitterrand was not angry and showed no emotion. He simply glanced over at the man who had

48:39 needles under his fingernails and was being actively shocked and then left the room. Another time, the Monteviego police unwittingly brought a young woman who, while in fact a Tupomaro sympathizer, not a member, just someone who thought that they were doing what was right in rejecting U.S. oligarchs and the CIA, but she happened to be a friend.

49:11 of Alejandro Otero, the guy that's in charge of the police. In the course of the interrogation, she was tortured severely. When she was released, she contacted Otero and told her that Mitterrand had watched and assisted in her torture. For Otero, that was a breaking point.

49:32 For four years, he had known of intermittent torture, but with Mitterrand's arrival, it had only intensified. Otero rejected torture on pragmatist grounds. It only radicalized both the police and the Tupamaros, and it made both more violent. Some of the police supported that reasoning. Others, the chief of police among them, sided with the North Americans.

50:01 After all, Otero's methods had not worked. Once he had been standing beside Secretary of State Dean Rusk on a ceremonial platform and his squad had allowed a young man to rush up and spit in Rusk's face. The Tupomaros had been spitting in the face of Uruguayan police long before. Otero, who was vain, who was troublesome, could also be lax.

50:30 but he was not a torturer. Philip Agee had never heard of him torturing a prisoner, nor had anyone else. Torture seemed to offend Otero, and he was doubly affronted when he found out it was not only a woman, but a friend of his. He went to complain to Mitterrand, and Mitterrand listened to him, but did nothing. Only a few months later, Otero gambled his career on one reckless attempt at vindication.

51:01 He told a man, a reporter, about the torture of his friend, and that indiscretion began to unraveling that would shut down the entire U.S. police advisory program. On July 30, 1970, Don Gould, the information officer at the U.S. Embassy in Montevideo, received his first telephone call from a Topomaro. After that, the calls came every day of the week but Sunday. Mr. Gould, the man said,

51:33 Get out of Uruguay or you will be killed. No U.S. official could serve long in Latin America without receiving death threats. In Gould's case, he had been in Honduras when revolutionaries shot up his hotel. This call was much more specific. He went to Mitterrand's office to discuss it. Gould had lately used the facilities of the U.S. Information Service to print posters for a police campaign.

52:02 And again, U.S. Information Service is another front for the CIA. So he knew Mitterrand and regarded him as a good contact. After Gold reported the threat, Mitterrand explained his own philosophy. I'm in danger and I carry a gun. But if I was approached, I'd size up the situation. And if I could get away, I'd use my gun. Otherwise, I'd go with him. The next morning,

52:32 Nathan Rosenfeld, the embassy's cultural attache, called the apartment of Gordon Jones, a young member of the political section, to say that he was ready to leave work. Two men lived in the same building, and most mornings they drove together. Jones said he was on his way, and Rosenfeld went ahead to the garage. He was walking towards his yellow Ford convertible when he saw a tall man in the shadows. Rosenfeld thought it was Jones, and he said, how'd you get here so fast?

53:01 With that, two men jumped Rosenfeld from behind, waving a .45 automatic gun, and Rosenfeld was told, don't say anything, we're Tupomaros. Rosenfeld was twice the age of his assailants. The most aggressive thing about him was his wardrobe. He was certainly not going to overpower them. Are you Gordon Jones, the Tupomaro demanded.

53:31 Rosenfeld said no, he was not. Jones was 27 years old and could have been his son. They pushed Rosenfeld to the wall. Get your hands up, the voice commanded. When he felt metal connecting to his head, Rosenfeld gave the Tupamaros what he considered his best fall. No one has come over and kicked me in the ribs or to see if I'm pretending to have fallen down.

54:01 Meanwhile, Gordon Jones had come into the basement and saw Roosevelt's body on the floor. He ran over to examine the body and the Tupomaros jumped him. While they were tying him up, Jones puffed out his chest enough so that he could exhale later with the slacked ropes. They rolled him in a blanket and laid him in the bed of the small truck. Jones shouted for help. At the sound, a Tupomaro hit him in the head.

54:29 Jones was able to throw his feet at a stoplight. Jones was able to throw his feet over the edge of the truck and jump down and hop to the curb screaming, help, help, help. Jones wiggled free and called the embassy from a wine shop. The first thing he said is Nate's dead. No, they said he's all right. At the garage, Rosenfeld had waited until he was sure they were gone. Then he called the security office and reported the kidnapping. The security guard then told him.

55:00 They also kidnapped Dan Meterone. Meterone's driver was a police sergeant named Gonzalez. He had left the garage of the police station that morning in a white Opel. Meterone never kept him waiting more than a minute or two. With Meterone inside the car, Gonzalez turned down a local street. The Opel was cut off by a white truck.

55:53 Resilient Vice Consul.

55:57 who has a long name, Olocia Mares Diaz Gomadi, had been abducted that same morning by four other Tupomaros pretending to be telephone repairmen. His wife and six children that were also in the house were unharmed. Had the Tupomaros' plan succeeded, they would have held three prisoners to bargain with. Because the first time in Iroquois' history, the rebels were about to emulate the tactics

56:26 of their Brazilian colleagues. They wanted the release of other prisoners. In the last six years, Uruguayan liberals, even those with no admiration for the Tupomaros, had apprehensively watched the development in Brazil. Arriving in Montevideo, their Brazilian friends would step from the plane and say, oh, it's free here. It's great to be in a democracy again. But with the Tupomaros as his excuse, President...

56:56 Panchico had been using the police and army to tighten its control over Uruguay. Until these days, it was not free at all. Moreover, looming above the Uruguayans was this constant threat of this military apparatus that was being shoved down their throats by the U.S. Already Brazilian agents disguised as shepherds and farmers had crossed the northern border on raids into Uruguay.

57:25 The Brazilian government had shown the same harshness that the Brazilian government had shown on four separate occasions. It was willing to trade, despite the harshness, they were willing to trade prisoners to save a diplomat's life. If Pacheco balked at this trade, surely Brazil would bring force to change his mind. The Tuporaros had expressed...

57:50 that when Mitterrand's activities with the police were exposed, even apolitical Uruguayans would concede that he was a natural target. After the exchange of prisoners, Mitterrand would be sent back to the United States in disgrace, and the U.S. assistance to the Uruguayan police would come to an end. That's what they thought. The case of Gordon Jones was different. A young man of considerable self-confidence, he had stirred himself out of the embassy's

58:18 closed society to meet with a range of Irigoyens. Given Monteviego's temper at the time, many of his acquaintances were either Tupomaro's or their friends, who expected that Jones was so knowledgeable and opinionated, would have a great deal to tell them during his days of captivity. Jones had become recently the father of twins. The Tupomaro's cell, which did not foresee a bloody ending,

58:48 any more than Elbrick's abductors had, thought that the large families of two of their victims made them the perfect target. Jorge Pacheco Arrico probably would not have agreed to release 150 prisoners the Tupamaros were demanding. Even his political backers did not claim that he was a compassionate man. Consequently,

59:16 He announced that his government regarded the Tupomaro's prisoners as common thieves and killers. Constitutionally, he said, he could not release them. However, better lawyers than Panchenko pointed out that since the president had the pardon of power, he could in fact do that. But the decision was not entirely Panchenko's. At the time Elbrick was kidnapped, Richard Nixon's administration was less than a year old, and it had not formulated an official policy on this kidnapping.

59:49 On the seizing of Dan Mederone, it set off a great deal of discussions in the State Department about establishing this precedent. At first, Secretary Rogers and his chief aides considered that if a host country had carried out normal responsibilities for protection, then Washington should discourage the payment of any ransom. But that still left the U.S. government judging each kidnapping separately.

1:00:18 What Washington needed was an ironclad rule, especially when individual victims were likely to be well-known top echelon at state or working for the CIA. As Alexis Johnson said afterward, there would never have been an occasion for him to meet Dan Mederone. The dilemma was resolved when word came down from the White House that President Nixon adamantly opposed any trade or deal with rebels of any nation.

1:00:47 The U.S. now had a policy. Dan Mederone did not know that he would be the first sacrifice to Richard Nixon's new policy. And that brings us to Chapter 9, so we're going to stop there. So, that's it. Bridget, go ahead. Well, as if that's not bad enough, and I may have missed it, but I don't think I did. Did you know there's a Jim Jones connection? Two.

1:01:26 Dan Medeiros. Well, I know they were both in Brazil. And they grew up in the same town. And they were best friends. Yeah, we discovered that. And he was eight months. Jim Jones was over in the same city with Medeiros. In Brazil. And it's in Brazil. And oh my God, you just can't make this shit up. When we did the expose of Jim Jones for the Alpha Warrior show, we found all of that.

1:01:57 And as a matter of fact, it came up in the conversation today. I know, I guess it just, it just, I feel like some of the information falls in my head and then it connects and then this comes up and then it reconnects, you know, and I'm like, oh my God, oh my God. So for anybody that's new, what Bridget is talking about, when we, I mean, it's probably been a year ago when we did the expose on Jim Jones.

1:02:23 Jim Jones and Dan Meterone went to elementary school, junior high and high school together in Richmond, Indiana. Jim Jones started a church and I'm going to use air quotes for church in Richmond, Indiana. And he was doing some very nefarious things. And he started getting looked into and he picked up the church and moved to San Francisco.

1:02:54 And during the time that he was in San Francisco, there was a terrorist training camp set up on property that he owned in. Hold on. Guyana. Guyana was not originally Jonestown in Guyana was not originally this haven for.

1:03:26 his church to be moved to from San Francisco. That took place much later on. It was a terrorist training camp when Jim Jones, CIA agent, and Dan Mederone, CIA front agent, working for the Office of Public Safety, both ended up in Brazil together. Jim Jones owned ships, ships from Brazil.

1:03:55 was taking weapons to the terrorist training camp in Guyana that we now know as Jonestown. And they were launching attacks into Venezuela because there were Venezuelans who did not want Standard Oil running their country. Nelson Rockefeller was there. He had bought up all of the local grocery stores.

1:04:20 They were basically taking over Venezuela and there were a lot of people over there that didn't like it. And so they were launching terror attacks into Venezuela to put down this resistance to the Rockefeller owned petroleum company called Creole. So it was a terrorist training camp long before Jim Jones came under the scrutiny of Congressman Leo Ryan in San Francisco and picked it up again and moved it to Jonestown. So, yes.

1:04:50 Jim Jones and Dan Mederone share a lifelong story together until they both didn't. Right. And it really makes you wonder. I would. I don't know. Sometimes like sometimes these I guess what it is, is this book gives so much more context to the Mederone. You know, it's like you you know him. And now.

1:05:23 That connection is so much more vivid, I guess, in my head. And that's the reason why I wanted to do this particular book, because it is different. Not only does it give us a whole bunch more detail, like the fact that the CIA was running an HR department for oligarchs, it puts in context so much of the other stuff that was just a name.

1:05:48 Even though when we talked about Uruguay, when we were doing Operation Condor, Dan Mitterrand was a name. And even when we did Office of Public Safety with Alpha, Dan Mitterrand was just a name. We didn't know about his family. We didn't know about the bigger context of the Office of Public Safety and all of that stuff.

1:06:13 gained a lot more information and that's why i think many of these books and again this book is talking about operation condor and the damn guy doesn't even know operation condor is a thing it's some of the most frustrating um pieces of this um that if i wish um and no it's not going to be me but i wish someone knew what i knew and would write a book that put all of these pieces together um

1:06:42 SR-71, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. And thank everyone for attending today and everyone on Rumble as well. What I'm looking at is, of course, Mineron was captured and executed by the Tupomaros. It just blows my mind that for some reason, knowing all that they did and what he had done, they didn't torture his ass first.

1:07:13 They're not torturers. And it's just like, no, they're not. But I would have changed my mind in a heartbeat on that one. Well, but then you're like them, then you can't. And that's what John Mark was saying as a captive in Brazil against the people that were also in prison with him being tortured. They were saying, when we get out and we take back our country, we're going to do to them what they did to us. And he kept saying, no, you're not.

1:07:42 I'm not going to be a part of that. I'm never going to be like them. And I know the sentiment, but that's kind of what we're dealing with now in America of trying to hold people accountable. And you notice the one thing that Trump never does. He never becomes them. He's never going to be the fascist, despite them calling him that. He's never going to be the one that uses outside.

1:08:10 you know, like Russian influence in order, even though what he is doing is right, he is going to do it by the book. He is not going to become them. And at the end of the day, it's the only way you get your constitutional republic back. Bridget? Now, one other question. As we have come across multiple times, is it possible that

1:08:42 Because things were heating up so much in Brazil at the time, is it possible that Dan Mederan didn't die? That this was just a cover to move him under a new alias into a new operation? No, he died. And you're going to see that in the next, probably the next day or two. He died in Uruguay. They killed him. I'm just saying. No, they really killed him. Okay, cool. Because I'm just like, this guy needed to die. This guy.

1:09:18 And all these articles, one of the biggest things, there's so many other books written about, and some of them were by Brazilian authors and so on and so forth, about how this man had no remorse. None. Whatsoever. I mean, this man was broken. But, not but, understand that their mindset.

1:09:47 is very much the same mindset that when you talk to, and I have done this repeatedly, when you talk to military people, when you talk to Green Berets, when you talk to special forces people, they are told that they are fighting an enemy that wants us all dead. That's the reason why that Al Qaeda and all of those other people

1:10:13 Although we know they were all created and funded and trained by the CIA, they did such hideous things that they were able to use that justification to justify in their minds that they were going after them when it wasn't actually them they were going after at all. The CIA would lie.

1:10:39 And it was the Taliban they were actually going after, or it was this that they were actually going after, using false intelligence. And so part of this entire psychological operation is to create this fictitious enemy, make them so reprehensible that you are able in your own mind to justify anything to save innocent Americans.

1:11:06 And this entire thing is so infiltrated with those types of psychological operations on the good guys thinking they're actually doing good things. But I don't know, again, if you step back away from the psychological operations and you just say, using our constitutional republic as a model, if a Tupomaro's...

1:11:37 He's a bad guy. Have a trial. Send him to jail. Let him rot in jail. The next guy, no, they want to torture him so that they can rat out others and jail them on illegitimate information that is gotten out of a torture. And they did this in order to increase the number of suspects to make the boogeyman bigger than what it really was.

1:12:08 in order to justify their presence in their destabilization. And behind it all was oligarchs. All they wanted was the shit in that country. So they don't really care what's happening at the bottom of the steps. And there's a whole bunch of dead bodies. All they care about is they can do their business free of paying people decent wages and having to deal with unions.

1:12:39 Treating people just decently in these foreign countries because this was all prepping the battlefield to ship all of our jobs to these countries. Yeah, most, it seems, many of the people that they killed, that they disappeared, that they tortured, the main thing that they had done wrong was opposition to the current government. Correct. Opposition to the oligarchs.

1:13:16 And to the CIA that controlled their government. Right. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Miles, did you have something you wanted to add? Go ahead, Miles. Good afternoon, Colonel. My brain is just wandering. So there's a lot of billions of people on the planet. Are we the only people talking about this? No. Most of the other countries know all of this. Oh, okay. Because I was like.

1:13:58 You can go down to these other countries, and I've done it through Yandex, and read the local papers because it translates it. They knew all of this was going on. They knew exactly who was behind it. The only people that didn't know was us. Well, we're talking about millions of people. You're talking about billions of people that know what our country has done around the world. Yeah, but I'm talking about our country. Millions of people that don't know.

1:14:29 What do you think I've spent the last two and a half years doing what I'm doing? Well, I'm glad that I found you, but we're like special, aren't we? Well, we're a select group of people who are interested in real history. So if you want to call that special, you can. Okay. Yep, we are. At this point, because we know so much of what this has gone on, I'm sure.

1:15:06 And I've experienced this. There are some people that feel like we're more special ed than special, but we've got the facts that back it all up. So it is what it is. Well, I'm in a short bus right now. Well, and what was funny, just to kind of put a bow tie on that at the end of the show, because.

1:15:35 As we got started with the interview today on Redacted, we kind of just launched right into Operation Gladio. And the very first thing, and I'll even put it up on the screen. The very first thing that I have written in my notes is everything you think you know about history is a lie. So at the end of the show, whether it makes the cut or not, I don't know.

1:16:01 Clayton, who I did not know, was a history major. His bachelor's degree is in history. And so he basically made a comment about he had to go back and rethink everything. And I told him I said it's funny because my opening line, which I didn't even use in the show, was everything you think you know about history is a lie. And he just laughed because he's like, literally, that's true. So, yeah, all along. Go ahead.

1:16:33 Hi, Carl. I just feel the need to become extremely repetitive about, you know, the importance of left gatekeeping on this stuff. I mean, on Jonestown and on Congressman Leo Ryan and the Richmond, Indiana connections. I mean, I've tried for so, so very, very long, you know, to to spread this awareness.

1:17:03 On social media, it's like you post something about Leo Ryan and it will get nothing. It is it's just you cannot get Leo Ryan or Jonestown stuff to spread. It's just like unbelievable. And it's like, you know, why is it called left geeky? Ostensibly, you know, the left is supposed to be for the working class and against imperialism. This, you know, it should be right up.

1:17:33 quote their ally their alley and yet you know it's that's exactly why it needs to be so thoroughly and religiously policed by a fake left and so i think one you know it gets to the point of miles earlier comment about why you know why so few people know about this

1:17:59 Or, you know, maybe they do know, but they feel very, very uncomfortable talking about it. And I think, you know, it also relates, obviously, to how, you know, especially towards Democrats and points left, you know, the whole conspiracy theory meme was just so rampantly propagated so that, you know, basically.

1:18:28 The CIA, 100 percent corporate, 100 percent dominated by the rich government can just go on doing whatever the heck it wants with complete impunity because we have such a CIA created fake left that is in in no way actually left. They all they do is facilitate, you know, government by the richer and the richer and the richer. And I think that this kind of, you know.

1:18:57 allowing tucker carlson's of this world to say this stuff and by and by the way that's a fairly recent development right because you didn't used to see tucker carlson even going the tucker carlson's of this world go at the jfk stuff it just it's it used it's used in such a way as to deepen the confusion it's like oh certain republicans like luna oh my god luna is a trump supporter therefore i don't have to pay attention

1:19:26 to the incredible stuff she's done on the JFK stuff. And I can go and listen. And it just, it's such a vicious, like crossfire propaganda system that, you know, the importance of the fake left being, you know, not really leftist in any way benefiting the working class cannot be overstated. And I think it explains, you know, why this stuff, especially, you know, especially in Leo Ryan, because.

1:19:54 That is literally the point at which in classrooms, you know, where we spend trillions of dollars teaching checks and balances, Congress is supposed to regulate the CIA. And when you see that body on a on a Jonestown tarmac, which is not yet the name of a Bob Dylan album, but perhaps should be, it's just utterly it's too damn clear.

1:20:22 That there is no checks and balances. And that's not about Leo Ryan. That's about spending trillions of dollars on explanations that don't explain. Right. So it's one more time. It's the fake left that is in no way really left that that is correct to blame here. So I will tell you that, obviously, in my conversation with Clayton, I did bring it up.

1:20:51 And if the figures hold true, about two million people watch his shows, like each show. So we'll get a few more people understanding that because I brought that up. Miles, go ahead. Colonel, I thought you were the most complete and organized and, you know, person that would, you know, connect all the dots and stuff like that.

1:21:21 And yesterday I met this guy Doopie. Have you ever heard of Doopie? No. I haven't either. And he was on News Treason with Joe Rambo. And I was like, wait a minute. He knows Coffee Talk with Sandra. I know Sandra. And he's a geophysicist. That's what he was. And he is studying all the bloodlines going back to...

1:21:52 5,000 BC? It's amazing. They're all the same people. They never go away, Colonel. I know. I know. And, well, there are some lies. And, look, I'm glad that I listened to that because I did a deep dive, you know, kind of in the Ukraine area or, you know, Khazaria, way, way back. But it's not, they're just one piece of the puzzle. Correct.

1:22:24 And I'm glad that you came out and you wouldn't like point the finger like, oh, it's those people over there. It's all their fault. No, guys, it's not that. It's a lot more complicated than that. So I'm glad that you did that, Colonel. Yeah. There was a lot of pressure at the beginning of this when we started this over on True Social to do exactly that. And as a matter of fact, now.

1:22:53 But at this point, if that's the only thing that you add to the conversation, I will block you because that is illustrative to me of your complete ignorance. And while I will initially try to engage people to let them know that it's much bigger than that, if you are just set in that, I will block you because I don't have time for that. And I do like to interact with people in the comments area, as you guys know.

1:23:23 I oftentimes respond to, I look at everybody's comments. I've been very open about that. I don't presume to know everything. Probably half of the material that we've come across has been suggestions from you guys, different books that you've read.

1:23:40 There are some very, very smart people in our audience that has a piece of this entire puzzle that have been more than willing. I mean, Maker Sarge is a good example of that. I just got another book from him that he mailed to me. He's the same guy that sent me the one of the Minuteman, only to find out that there was a CIA guy in that too. So that's hat tips to all of you.

1:24:08 We would not have near the information without you. And so very interesting. All right. That's it for the material today. I don't see any more hands. So we're going to go ahead and call it a day. Tomorrow is Wednesday. So obviously it's going to be very busy. Bridget, what was it that I told you to remind me of?

1:24:41 No show on Thursday. I am going to be going back on the podcast with Keith, that is the assistant at Blaze TV, at 3 o'clock East Coast time. I will also be on Nino's show at 5 o'clock. And again, sometimes he records them, sometimes he does them live. I don't know which venue that's going to be. When I find out, I'll let you know.

1:25:10 Tomorrow we will be back at four o'clock and then I will be doing the Alpha Warriors show at 930. And we are basically I do have some additional information about the Office of Public Safety that I have done as I've been doing additional research into this book that I have not.

1:25:33 provided yet that we are going to it's going the show tomorrow night is going to be a revisit of the office of public safety and i am going to share a whole bunch more information and some new people that i've come across as a result of that so that's the 9 30 show tomorrow night which will just add to the context of this book um and then no four o'clock on um

1:26:00 Thursday, we will be doing a 3 o'clock and a 5 o'clock, and then I'll be back at 4 o'clock on Friday, just so everybody knows. Miles, go ahead. Yeah, just a quick PSA. I was thinking about you, Colonel, because of your trip and the little problems you're having. So I have my unit hooked up here, and, I mean, for $300, I don't know what the square footage of your rig is, but this cools down.

1:26:30 400 square feet and i mean it would have been a temporary fix until you got home um i just want miles well i appreciate that just so that you guys know miles is talking about air conditioning um and my um three air conditioners going down to one on my most recent road trip i am not going to share

1:26:55 anything. I'm going to have to hide this episode from my husband. He is, as you guys, most of you know, my husband's an electrical contractor. He is also a general contractor and he can literally fix anything. He has been trying to convince me that I somehow need to allow him to put a

1:27:22 mini split in our RV. So he has now fixed all three air conditioners. They work just fine. And we're never going to mention it again because I do not want a mini split on my really nice RV. And it is about 400 square feet when it's completely opened up. But yeah, we're not talking about air conditioners in the house anymore. What's your address?

1:27:51 Ain't gonna happen, Miles. So anyway, because if there was a way to do it, my husband could figure it out. I just said no. No, I don't. That's probably the first time since 2011 when I met my husband that I've ever said no. But that's a hard no. That's a hard no. We're not going to do that. So anyway, again.

1:28:19 What a wonderful way to end the show. Anyway, thanks, you guys, for being here. And I will see you tomorrow. Take care.

Entities here

Uruguay35 Tupamaros25 Dan Mitrione25 CIA25 USAID16 Brazil15 Philip Agee11 William Cantrell10 Francois Mitterrand9 Jorge Pacheco Areco8 Operation Gladio8 Alejandro Otero8 Bardasio8 Gordon Jones7 Jim Jones7 Argentina6 Nathan Rosenfeld5 Leo Ryan5 Chile4 Ventura Rodriguez4 Richmond, Indiana4 Miguel Angel Benitez Segova4 International Police Academy4 Juan Maria Lucas4 Los Fresnos, Texas4 John McMahon4 Richard Nixon3 Jonestown massacre3 Juan Jose Braga3 Don Gould3 Manuel Ray3 James Kuehner3 Robert Reif2 Venezuela2 Oscar Bonatti2 John D. Rockefeller2 Guyana2 Don Conley2 Creole Petroleum2 U.S. Army2

Claims made here

Clayton Morris member_of Alpha Warrior host_asserted ▶ 3:00

“obviously what the depth of his knowledge about it. And I was just tickled pink that he like said it out loud since we've spent the last two and a half years researching it. And through connections, o…”

William Cantrell member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 4:57

“William Cantrell, who is the guy we mentioned that was a CIA operator under the cover of Office of Public Safety. So he's actually a CIA agent, but pretending that he works for USAID under the Office …”

William Cantrell member_of USAID host_asserted ▶ 4:57

Bardasio member_of USAID host_asserted ▶ 5:24

“Office of Public Safety, other employees regarded one of the cutouts that was used, Bardesio, in not a good light. Officially, he was a police photographer, but Uruguayans knew him for other duties, a…”

Manuel Ray member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 6:59

“oftentimes questioned who this Manuel was because he never talked positively about, he was passed off as a Cuban, but he showed no signs of actually being from Cuba because he was actually, like I sai…”

William Cantrell financed_via CIA host_asserted ▶ 7:31

“S-A-E-N-Z had complained privately that he didn't trust Manuel. And Bardazio had observed, again, him being very close to Cantrell. Cantrell not only was using USAID money, he was also using CIA money…”

William Cantrell financed_via USAID host_asserted ▶ 7:31

Antonio Castanet member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 8:52

“documented on a daily basis. Both the chief of police and the minister of interior knew about this arrangement, but it broke Uruguayan law. Cantrell often visited Inspector Antonio Castanet, another C…”

Ventura Rodriguez member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 9:25

“at large, included Colonel Ventura Rodriguez, and I haven't looked to see if he's actually related to Felix Rodriguez, Monteviego's chief of police, Carlos Martin, the deputy chief of police, Alexandr…”

Carlos Martin member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 9:25

Alejandro Otero member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 9:25

Juan Jose Braga member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 9:25

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Uruguay host_asserted ▶ 10:20

“The purpose was to involve the chief in a CIA plot that would pressure Uruguay to break diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union. The CIA plan was inventive. Don Conley, the operations officer at th…”

Don Conley member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 10:20

Robert Reif member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 10:50

“Another CIA man by the name of Robert Reif, R-I-E-F-E, made up stories about leftist officials in Uruguay's union to interlock with Connolly's made-up story, thereby suggesting a conspiracy. A fabrica…”

Juan Jose Braga ordered_assassination_of Oscar Bonatti host_asserted ▶ 13:23

“Braga, the deputy chief of investigations, had ordered the torture when Brunati refused to talk. His beatings had gone on for three days. Agee resolved that he would never turn over another name to th…”

Claude Karvanek front_for Robert Reif host_asserted ▶ 13:46

“Secrecy no longer seemed glamorous, and the aliases with their surnames always capitalized struck him as weird. In other words, they give examples like the guy Daniel Gabosky was actually Ned Holman. …”

Daniel Gabosky front_for Ned Holman host_asserted ▶ 13:46

Jeremy Hodap front_for Philip Agee host_asserted ▶ 14:14

“was Phil Agee's CIA fake name. Other aspects of the job also disturbed him. In Washington, one training duty had been to run name checks for Standard Oil. Standard Oil. You mean Rockefeller? Yeah, tha…”

CIA financed_via Standard Oil host_asserted ▶ 14:14

Creole Petroleum member_of John D. Rockefeller host_asserted ▶ 14:42

“The CIA was acting as the HR department for American oligarchs. The list came in each week from Caracas, where security officers from a Rockefeller subsidiary, Creole Petroleum, was an ex-FBI agent wh…”

Francois Mitterrand succeeded William Cantrell host_asserted ▶ 16:18

“Horton's dismissive laugh suggested that he was not going to be one of the ones that was interested in researching the torture. Not long before Mitterrand's arrival in Uruguay, Cantrell's position wit…”

Miguel Angel Benitez Segova member_of Uruguay host_asserted ▶ 18:12

“Mitterrand was clearly in charge of police operations in a way Senez had never had been. That change to the top spot of the public safety office had intrigued everyone around the police station. But n…”

Tupamaros carried_out_attack Piera Revolval host_asserted ▶ 20:54

“She helped run a thrift store for the women from the U.S. consulate. The Tupamaros allowed the new chief advisor no time at all for settling in before they made another dramatic strike. It had been mo…”

Francois Mitterrand member_of International Police Academy host_asserted ▶ 22:23

“experienced a marked increase in U.S. equipment being delivered to include tear gas, gas masks, police batons, and other things. When a police commissioner named Juan Maria Lucas, who had studied at t…”

Juan Maria Lucas member_of International Police Academy host_asserted ▶ 22:23

CIA trained Uruguay host_asserted ▶ 22:52

“and told them, now we have someone who will support our activities. As it had been in Brazil, Mudron's assignment also led to an increase in the number of Uruguayans sent to the United States for trai…”

CIA trained Los Fresnos, Texas host_asserted ▶ 23:23

“The top graduates were sent to Los Fernos, Texas. That's the place that we uncovered a long time ago that teaches you how to set and explode bombs. The instruction at Los Fernos became particularly em…”

CIA trained U.S. Army Special Forces host_asserted ▶ 24:19

“It was later documented that many of the instructors at the Texas school were Green Berets from Fort Bragg that the CIA, having also been present at Fort Bragg, got to teach the classes. The Office of…”

U.S. Army Special Forces member_of U.S. Army documented ▶ 24:19

CIA financed_via First National Bank of Chicago host_asserted ▶ 28:38

“It set up regional purchasing offices in Buenos Aires, Rio, Lima, and Monteviedo. Helping out in that emergency, Philip Agee had contacted the assistant manager of the U.S. Bank, First National City B…”

CIA financed_via Chile host_asserted ▶ 29:10

“in a U.S. bank in a foreign country. He sent men to Santiago to buy $100,000 of Chilean money. Those bills were then sent back into Chile in U.S. embassy diplomatic pouches. In the late 1960s, the CIA…”

CIA trained Uruguay host_asserted ▶ 29:36

“The agency was putting Brazilian, Argentinian, and Uruguayan military and police officers in touch with each other for training and wiretapping and other intelligence procedures, i.e. Operation Condor…”

CIA trained Argentina host_asserted ▶ 29:36

CIA trained Brazil host_asserted ▶ 29:36

Sergio Flores assassinated Carlos Marigella host_asserted ▶ 30:03

“Between the time Allende was elected president of Chile and his overthrow in 1973, the CIA arranged similar meetings between the Brazilian and the Chilean army that opposed Allende. Members of Brazil'…”

CIA ordered_assassination_of Salvador Allende host_asserted ▶ 30:03

Carlos Piran trained Uruguay host_asserted ▶ 32:55

“His five fellow team members, three came from the traffic police and two came from the police institute. The director of the effort was President Pacheco's personal secretary, Carlos Piran, P-I-R-A-N,…”

SIDE member_of Argentina host_asserted ▶ 32:55

Carlos Piran member_of Uruguay host_asserted ▶ 32:55

Bardasio carried_out_attack Juan Perón host_asserted ▶ 33:26

“Bardasio called on an SIDE captain who gave him three charges of basically explosives to deliver to Peron. Bardasio and his associates then formed an organization which bombed the houses of lawyers an…”

Bardasio carried_out_attack Tupamaros host_asserted ▶ 33:26

Tupamaros assassinated Héctor Romero Morón Carcuaró documented ▶ 37:27

“And I wish I could have told you more when I was home. I am not trying to alarm you because you know what it's like in most Latin American countries at this time. On April 13th, 1970, a band of Tupoma…”

Héctor Romero Morón Carcuaró headed Montevideo Special Brigade documented ▶ 37:53

“In his monthly report to Washington, Mitterrand noted that Moran was a graduate of the International Police Academy and was head of the Monteviego Special Brigade, which specialized in torture. He als…”

Dan Mitrione trained Tupamaros documented ▶ 42:47

“back and forth. So when Mitterrand said, you basically need to stop playing around and be more professional. Mitterrand directed certain interrogations, and as the equipment for torture became more so…”

Tupamaros carried_out_attack Nathan Rosenfeld documented ▶ 53:01

“With that, two men jumped Rosenfeld from behind, waving a .45 automatic gun, and Rosenfeld was told, don't say anything, we're Tupomaros. Rosenfeld was twice the age of his assailants. The most aggres…”

Tupamaros carried_out_attack Gordon Jones documented ▶ 54:01

“Meanwhile, Gordon Jones had come into the basement and saw Roosevelt's body on the floor. He ran over to examine the body and the Tupomaros jumped him. While they were tying him up, Jones puffed out h…”

Tupamaros carried_out_attack Olocia Mares Diaz Gomadi documented ▶ 55:57

“who has a long name, Olocia Mares Diaz Gomadi, had been abducted that same morning by four other Tupomaros pretending to be telephone repairmen. His wife and six children that were also in the house w…”

Richard Nixon ordered_assassination_of Dan Mitrione host_asserted ▶ 1:00:47

“The U.S. now had a policy. Dan Mederone did not know that he would be the first sacrifice to Richard Nixon's new policy. And that brings us to Chapter 9, so we're going to stop there. So, that's it. B…”

Dan Mitrione member_of USAID host_asserted ▶ 1:03:26

“his church to be moved to from San Francisco. That took place much later on. It was a terrorist training camp when Jim Jones, CIA agent, and Dan Mederone, CIA front agent, working for the Office of Pu…”

Nelson Rockefeller secretly_owned Creole Petroleum host_asserted ▶ 1:04:20

“They were basically taking over Venezuela and there were a lot of people over there that didn't like it. And so they were launching terror attacks into Venezuela to put down this resistance to the Roc…”

Jorge Pacheco Areco ordered_assassination_of Dan Mitrione host_asserted ▶ 1:06:42

“SR-71, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. And thank everyone for attending today and everyone on Rumble as well. What I'm looking at is, of course, Mineron was captured and executed by the Tupomaros. It ju…”