The Colonels Corner Hidden Terror by AJ Langguth Part 9

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0:00 Well, my computer is wigging out again on Rumble Studio. Of course. It won't let me turn my camera on. I think if I close the window, yeah, it's not going to let me do that either. Oh, my gosh. It's not responding at all. You're reaching too many people. That's the problem. Just saying.

0:43 Anybody who wanted to be conspiracy minded would have a heyday with us. I guess. Let me restart my computer. So how was your weekend? My weekend was awesome. Yay! I kept my grandson overnight last night, so we got zero sleep. But you had a lot of fun. My daughter allows him to sleep in their bed more times than she should.

1:19 And, yeah, of course, I mean, I have a playpen, but I don't have a real bed. So he's decided that he likes to sleep sideways. And at least I got the better end of the deal. I got his head laying on my stomach and got his feet in his back. So my dog sleeps that way.

1:44 She gets most of the bed. We get a little portion on one side and a little portion on the other. Yeah, I put a mix on that right away. John had let Maverick sleep in the bed when we first got him. And I was like, yeah, that's that's that's going to go. So they sleep in the office at night. So, yeah, I don't even let him in the bedroom. So adorable, might I say.

2:15 Yeah. Okay. Let's try. That is whenever they play, you know, make do their cameos. It's always look forward to. Yeah. Let's see if we can do this now. All right. I'm just going to go live and we're going to go with it. The camera is not doing something. Freak out. Maybe going. Can you guys give us a head thumbs up? If everything's cool in the listener section. Yeah.

2:56 Because I'm seeing a lot of people disappearing and reappearing. Yeah, it's already kicked me out of the space once. So, they're back to their old tricks. Did you want to try and restart it? No, I'm fine. Okay. Well, I'm getting thumbs up, so maybe. All right, we're going to go with that. All right. So, all right. So, we left off with.

3:34 And Elbrick going home and his doctor checking him out and he just coincidentally had a stroke while he's at the doctor's office. That's where we left off last time. So while Burke Elbrick was serving out the end of his career, Fernando Gabrero.

4:01 was living underground, trying to organize an effective labor movement. He had eluded the police dragnet in Rio and had reached San Paolo. Help just threw me out. Okay. There we go. And he had moved into a house with several other workers. January of 1970,

4:35 While he was at the corner bar, police raided the house and arrested one of the workers that were living there. As he got near the house, Fernando saw that it was surrounded. As he tried to edge away, one of the policemen said, if you move, I will shoot you. Instead of freezing, Fernando reached out and pushed aside the gun barrel. Then he ran. More policemen caught up and surrounded him. They opened fire.

5:07 And he was shot in his lower back. As he lay bleeding, he heard a policeman standing over debating whether or not they should kill him or bring him in for interrogation. So first of all, they take him to a military hospital. The first night, the doctors said that he was not strong enough for questioning. They ignored the doctor and began questioning anyway.

5:38 They didn't know who Fernando was, only that he had been living with part of the resistance. Fernando was too weak to talk, but that didn't stop them from trying to question him. They would come in and point their pistols at him and threaten to kill him while he was in the hospital. Fernando believed that they were injecting him with drugs like a truth serum.

6:12 The doctors kept coming in and said, every time he tries to speak, blood gets into the wrong tubes. So stop doing that. Fernando improved a little bit. They took him to the Oban jail in Sao Paulo. Because they were too eager to begin the torture, after one day of electric shocks, they had to take him back to the hospital.

6:42 He had began to bleed from his penis and other areas where they were shocking him. He had already lost 30 pounds. So when they learned who he was, they stepped up interrogations in hopes of rounding up the rest of Elbrick's kidnappers.

7:10 and Fernando had discovered that the police had found the recordings the rebels had made of the ambassador. Although Elbrick's open contempt for the military enraged them, the police destroyed the tapes because his sentiments would be damaging to the regime. The torturers used the shock and beating with a good deal of joking and horseplay among themselves.

7:38 To Fernando, it was a revelation that the men who tortured him, despite being monsters, were at least still human. Many wore their hair long. Off duty, they went to the same night spots. Some even came to a cell to talk to him about personal issues. But they had been trained to detest him.

8:08 Fernando consoled himself that the men who applied the wires were depraved. They seemed to practice sexual torture because they knew it was the most efficient. Fernando began to distinguish a hierarchy within Oban, one that confirmed his view of society. The poorest men, often also the most courageous, were sent to the streets to make the arrest. The torturers were of the middle class.

8:42 There's one of them said there's nothing new or important in the torture, but the experience is incredibly boring for me. I have I never have anything to discuss afterwards, you know, like another day at the office. So he didn't have anything to discuss about what he was doing. They boasted to Fernando that they had been trained in the United States.

9:14 One army officer said in front of Fernando that they had gone on a raid against some of the rebels and that other men in his party had destroyed local crops and that the entire group had been trained in the United States that was doing that conduct. The torturers found one sardonic way.

9:46 to honor their North American patrons. They would cut open a sardine can and force a prisoner to stand on the sharp edges, cutting the bottoms of their feet. Then they would make him hold something so the cuts were deeper. They called this torture the Statue of Liberty. In most cases, the men who had graduated from U.S. military and police schools were the analysts and intelligence specialists.

10:17 They would appear inside a torture cell to witness the torture. They would read the transcripts of the interrogation and pick out contradictions. They gave lists of trick questions to the torturers on how to go about the torture and then when to ask the questions. Others remarked about seeing U.S. markings on the field telephones and electric generators used for the shock treatments.

10:49 They attributed the new Brazilian efficiency to the U.S. training. Before the U.S. advisors helped to centralize information, it had taken days to discover whether New Prisoners was a leader or a rebel movement. Now it took hours. And if you keep in mind, some of the stuff that I uncovered when I did the segment on the Office of Public Safety with Alpha was that the IBM computer system had been deployed.

11:18 to all of Operation Condor countries after they were overthrown, for them to do exactly that, to consolidate intelligence and use it from country to country. Because if you remember when we covered Operation Condor, the different countries, Argentina, soon to be Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, all of those that participated in it, and eventually Bolivia and Peru.

11:47 All shared this database because, for example, people that were in Brazil would travel to Uruguay. People that were in Chile would travel to the other countries to try to get away from the torturers who had been part of the rebellion. And they were picked up in these other countries and killed.

12:16 It didn't matter that you fled your own country because they shared this database together. And also part of that was Crypto AG, the communications that the CIA was monitoring throughout all of the countries in Latin America. On the Isle of Flowers, which is that island off the coast of Brazil, cellmates tried to convince John Mark that torture, however repugnant, might be required.

12:49 at that future day when they were running the country, but only in extreme cases. Jean-Marc said, I may be a purist, but the moment you accept one exception to the rule, you accept them all. And speaking practically, torture is a weapon that always backfires against whoever uses it. Others said the Brazilian government had managed to keep the scope and cruelty of its torture silent for years. We will keep it a secret too.

13:18 Jean-Marc said, absolutely not. One captain who tortured Fernando also saw it as a difference in character. I'm a torturer, he taunted Fernando, but you are not. If you ever come to power, I will be in a good position because you're a coward and you won't torture me. After two months at Sao Paulo, Fernando was shipped to Rio and taken by motorboat to the Isle of Flowers.

13:52 He had never recovered from the shooting and torture. Now he was having trouble urinating. He was too weak to protest himself as he lie on his cot. He was touched to hear the other prisoners risk more beatings by pounding on the bars and shouting, do something, the man's going to die. He was sent to another hospital and then back to an isolation cell on the island. He stayed for two months, cut off from all contact.

14:20 But he did hear occasional stirrings in the next cell. For 15 days, Fernando tapped on the wall. His sound had to be loud enough for the prisoner to hear, but not the guard. At last, he persuaded the other man to put his mouth close to a crack in the wall and speak to him. I'm alive, the man whispered. It was the only thing Fernando understood. The man was crazy. Once out of isolation, Fernando came in contact with common prisoners.

14:48 Beside the revolutionaries, there were homosexuals that were forced to clean the corridors at night as relief from the drabness. They staged fashion shows in worn out uniforms. The poor and out of work were often run into prison, as were the deranged and incompetent. For Fernando, it seems that the police.

15:16 had arbitrary arrest quotas to meet, and they hauled in all kinds of people. One evening, the police hauled in a young man with an obsession. When he could hold a job, he had assisted a truck driver. The duty that must have weighed most on his mind was parking the truck. He had became convinced that his cell was a potato truck.

15:46 he would talk to himself as if he was parking the truck. The question for Fernando and John Mark, and for every other political prisoner, was whether or not to answer interrogators' questions. Saying nothing, not a word, was called Turkish behavior. Most men freely admitted that doing that was beyond them. A woman by the name of Angela Ciesis

16:15 Now, keep in mind this woman because she comes back at the end of the story. Angela Ciesas, S-E-I-X-A-S, was one of those who adhered to it. Much had happened in Angela's life since the day she had helped carry Edson Lewis's corpse to the Parliament building. The experience had made a public speaker out of her, and she stopped smiling.

16:46 once she was imprisoned. She had joined one of the rebellion groups. They were both a military and a political group. The decision was not Angela's to make. She was assigned to the political side. The military members took the risks, stealing weapons, commandeering automobiles, etc. They would stage bank robberies to pay for their efforts. One revolutionary was captured.

17:19 A policeman had been shot during the raid, and the torture of that prisoner had been unrelenting. The police had received a tip about the apartment Angela was coming to inspect, kind of the same trick that they played on that other guy. They were hiding behind the door when she came up the stairs. Even for Rio, a city proud of indifference to race, she had been walking along with a black man.

17:54 for security, and that was another hit against her. She was arrested, and then a sequence of terror began to occur. They had shot the black man, and when she tried to lift him up, of course, he was too heavy, and she tried to hide.

18:30 temporarily got away. And basically, when they looked at her, she was asking, what's all that noise? And one of the officers told her to go home, go back to your apartment. She said, no, I must go to the street to use the telephone. It was a plausible excuse because most people didn't have phones because it cost over $1,000 because they didn't own their own phone system there. Downstairs, one of the policemen was standing guard at the entrance and

19:00 Angela slipped past him and she was on the street. So she began to walk faster. Then she hears, stop her. No one can leave the building. The policeman on the street grabbed her and brought her back. Who is this man? She said, talking about the guy they had shot. And she said, I don't know. They hit her with nightsticks and asked her again. A police car took her to the headquarters and they took all of her clothes off.

19:29 And said, if you do not give us your name, you're going to die. Angela's mind told her that she must say nothing at all. For the past week, she had known the names of almost every member of her party. The very next day, she had been scheduled to meet 15 of them. And that was basically the leadership group. She had been beaten so hard that she actually had a wound. And so they sent her to the hospital for 10 days.

20:02 Then she was moved to a headquarters where Flavio Tavares had been tortured. She was held there naked to be beaten and shocked with wires. One of the torturers was Castolima Magalhas, a distinguished name in Brazil. This Magalhas was a very small man with a large head and he loved torture. Some prisoners attributed his zeal

20:31 zeal to a wound that he had received in a shootout with some other revolutionaries. But his torture in this case proved self-defeating. Angela's wound opened up and blood would pour out every time they did it and they'd have to return her to the hospital. As time went on, she regarded the wound as her protection. Sometimes she would force it open, which would require her to go back to the hospital.

21:01 Noises were piped into these rooms like screams and gunshots to scare the people that were being tortured. The interrogation technique followed the lesson plan from Panama and from the International Police Academy in D.C. by presenting one officer as the good guy and one officer as the bad guy. The torture had shattered many people.

21:32 She also heard news that Mario Alves, the founder of the organization that she belonged to, the police had stuck a broomstick so far up his back end that they had ruptured his spleen, trying to make him talk. They also pulled out his teeth.

21:53 a technique that both revolutionaries and police could recognize from the movie they showed at the International Police Academy called The Battle of Algiers. They also shot him up with sodium pentothal. One day after Angela had been beaten terribly with rubber hoses and bare fists, a doctor asked her, what happened to you? She told him about the lavender room.

22:26 His surprise and indignation did not seem feigned. He had never seen a woman tortured, and he was vulnerable to her being a college student and only 19 years old. Do you know who tortured you? The doctor insisted. Give me his name. I'm going to report him. Angela told him. When the police were torturing, they usually pasted masking tape or a bandage over their name.

22:56 on their uniform. She told him it was Castellima Mangalhas. The doctor reported that Angela had been whipped and sexually abused, that electrical wires had been inserted in her vagina. His charges were impossible to ignore, and Mangalhas was reprimanded. During the next six weeks, Angela stayed unmolested in the infirmary.

23:29 Except for one lapse when she admitted to being a member of one of the revolutionary groups, she revealed nothing else. Two events, however, sent her back to the Lavender Room. Now that he was aware of the continuous torture going on around him, the doctor was so sickened that he applied for a transfer and two more prisoners were brought in. After severe torture, they outlined important duties Angela had assumed before her capture.

23:57 The next day at 3 p.m., the hour of her torture usually began, the police brought Angela back for another session. This time, they warned her that if she refused to talk, that she would be turned over to the death squad. They told her about uncovering a cache of explosives and kept demanding to hear what she knew about it. She kept telling herself to stay silent. This one subject, the explosives, she didn't know anything about.

24:27 She had heard stories about other prisoners like Manuel Cancica being tortured at the same center. A fellow prisoner, Fernando Gabara, Manuel had once had one of his testicles nailed to a table for torture. Because his wounds were not treated, he ended up having one of his legs amputated because of an infection.

25:06 continued. Angela would faint and awake to find her mind clearer than ever. It was as if she was floating outside of herself, watching herself being tortured. She said that she would never forgive the United States for the role in training and equipping the Brazilian police. Since the 1964 coup, Marcus Adruda, a geology student who had protested foreign control over Brazil's mineral well,

25:37 had lived a scrambling life. For the two weeks after Gulliard fled to Uruguay, Marcos left Rio for the country and waited there with friends to see what was going to happen. In Brazil, employers had no use for an outspoken student leader. To stay alive, Marcos tutored students and translated technical papers. After a few years, this life was not satisfying enough.

26:07 and he went to excuse me he went to work in a factory marcos's one deception was listing joking myself um his highest education as elementary school so that he would actually get hired he was working around factory workers that were not allowed to unionize and

26:42 for a factory that was owned by a Western company. Hold on a second. I got a sneeze. The company that hired him was a foundry owned by Mercedes-Benz. There were 3,000 workers that manufactured parts for wagons and tractors. Marcos was a machine operator, and each day he turned out thousands of molds.

27:19 They made $12 a day. And basically, the wood ovens created this smog around the factory so that basically everybody that worked there eventually ended up with tuberculosis or some type of lung disease. And basically, then they starved because they couldn't work anywhere else.

27:52 Several of the people that had tried to unionize there before were either killed or jailed and ran into the underground rebels as a result. One of the guys that he had met that was a neighbor of his, he got carried away from the factory because he was so ill and wasn't there.

28:22 For the upcoming payday. Although he had hours owed to him. Not only once he got better. Would the company not give him his back pay. They fired him. So those are just some of. The circumstances. So this guy. Tries. Because he's college educated. He's just pretending that he's not. So. He tries to.

28:55 to help some of the people there with their grievances and their disputes. One of the companies was called metal. Well, one of the quote unquote unions that had been infiltrated was called the Metal Workers Union of San Paolo. But like I said, it had already been infiltrated by USAID and their quote unquote labor organizers.

29:27 They were actually even infiltrated with secret police so that they could do away with anybody that came in that was effectively trying to represent the workers. And that was the OBAN, the secret police, and DOPS. OBAN was the intelligence arm, and DOPS was the secret police.

30:03 So eventually, Marcos gets himself in trouble because he's trying to help the people there. And he had a schedule on him one day when the Oban people came looking around for who was helping. So let's see.

30:36 They picked Marcos up and began to beat him. And once inside, they beat him for three hours before they asked the first question. Marcos decided, because he knew very little, that he was going to not talk. When the police uncovered who he actually was, they punished him to the point where Marcos thought he was going to die.

31:20 When he almost died, he was given the day off from getting tortured. The policeman then tied his knees and his elbows and ran a pole through the connection and lifted him up so that he was suspended four feet off the ground. They used the paddle full of holes to hit him over a hundred times in the exact same place.

31:50 They also tortured him in the same way that we've articulated all the rest of them. The neighbors in this particular place began to complain of this police station that they were using for a torture chamber because they could hear the people screaming so loud. Okay. They eventually find out who he is because they had to send him to a military hospital.

32:32 And he was so far gone that they had called the police to administer the last rites. One of the interrogators came in and said, you're not a worker, you're a geologist. So they had basically ran his name and figured out who he was. Marcos did not get any better health-wise, and the Army doctors had no remedy to stop his convulsions. They had beat him so hard that his body just went into constant convulsions.

33:13 One of the police came in and said, what is your organization? Who are your comrades? Why do you work in a factory when you could have had a better paying job? Don't you want higher wages? They just assumed that he was part of one of the underground groups. And then they said that they were going to take him to see this woman.

33:53 Her name was Marlene. Marlene was somebody that he had met while he was working at the factory. And they had been torturing her as well. They made Marcos listen to her screaming. And the policeman says, we're going to kill her if you don't start answering questions.

34:28 And he basically said the policeman told him, well, it's your fault she's getting beat. And Marcos tells him, no, you're beating her, not me. You know what we want. You must be stupid working for shit wages if you're a geologist. You could have an apartment, a woman, a car. You must be out of your head. Look at her. So this, again, is just the type of crap that these people went through.

35:01 for not wanting to live in a country with a CIA-installed dictator. He was returned multiple times to the hospital. And on one of the returns to the hospital, in another bed was a prisoner who had been shot. Then with the bullet still in his body, he had been tortured until his flesh rot. Down the hall on the edge of insanity was a 60-year-old woman. Her face had been deformed by beatings. Another woman...

35:32 This one, 21 years old, had been arrested for distributing leaflets to workers outside of a government steel mill. The police administered the ritual beatings. Then they learned she was pregnant and basically jumped on her stomach until she miscarried. This was how Marcos heard of two friends who had been tortured in the presence of a man that had only spoke English.

35:56 Later in a security cell, an army corporal remarked to Marcos how odd it was that Marcos should be in jail with a corporal and uneducated man standing guard over him. It's weird, the soldier said. Many of the prisoners are students or professionals. That's funny. I don't necessarily think that was funny, but Marcos says, doesn't that tell you something? We're studied. We've read books. We have something in our head. We don't accept the situation in Brazil.

36:25 Doesn't that tell you something? The corporal said, you have strong arguments. Let me go away or you'll convince me. Mario Pinto da Silva had been a schoolboy in Brazil when Dan Mitterrand arrived to show the police how to be more effective. Nine years later, as a member of one of the undergrounds, Murillo was trapped with five comrades in a bellow hideout by a police cordon.

36:59 When the exchange of gunfire, two policemen were killed. None of the rebels were hit. Murillo was charged with four crimes, unlawful possession of a gun, being a member of an illegal association, armed actions, and assassination. As a result, he also played a role in the training of Brazil police. Murillo and his colleagues were transferred from the prison in Belo.

37:27 to a special jail for political prisoners in a different section on the outskirts of Rio. Morello was led from the jail with nine other prisoners and ordered to wait in an open courtyard. Seven of the nine were also political prisoners from the same area. Two of the others were Brazilian soldiers who had been court-martialed. One had stolen a gun. Morello did not know the offense with which the second soldier had been charged.

38:00 And then the book goes along and basically they made them think that they were all going to be assassinated, like at a firing squad. But instead, basically what they did was tortured each one of them in basically like a classroom setting. They made them walk on the open cans and cut their feet.

38:28 And they did it like on a platform, like a stage. And they read out dossiers on each of the people. They also put them on display with electrical shocks. So basically they were doing a training class on how to torture people in an open setting.

38:55 And it talks about them shoving needles underneath their fingernails and attaching wires to all the various places. But also the one that we had talked about before about putting it on one of their fingers and then in their ear. They beat them in front of everybody. And as it turns out, as you read through this section.

39:27 And, of course, it talks about Murillo's specific torture that one of the guys in the audience watching all this had to get up and go vomit. It was so repulsive. It also showed him how to hook up the telephone to the electrical clips.

39:58 and where to place the clips in their ear for the most painful electrocutions. So when Dan Mitterrand, and that's the end of that chapter, when Dan Mitterrand asked Byron Engel to give him another overseas assignment, Engel knew that the reason once more for him was money. He still had six of his nine kids living at home.

40:26 And remember where we left off with Dan Mitterrand is he was at the International Police Academy in Washington, D.C., because he had left Brazil already. And so he wanted to go back overseas. Mitterrand had been a good instructor at the IPA, the International Police Academy, kind of middle of the road, not really great, but he knew Spanish and he knew Portuguese. So that made him valuable to them.

40:59 Ingle said, we've been thinking about an overseas assignment for you. Mitterrand said, you know, I love working here at the academy. But Ingle said, yes, but how would you like to go to Uruguay? And Mitterrand's response was, boss, when do you want me to leave? Six years after Mitterrand's murder, Ingle would deny that in 1969 he had ever even heard of the Tupamaros.

41:30 the rebel movement in Uruguay, or that he had chosen to send Mitterrand there because of his experience with the Brazilian police. Ingalls preferred to be seen as an ingenious administrator, knowledgeably professional, and a tough cop, just carrying out U.S. policy. He claimed that he had pictured Uruguay to

41:58 not as a troubled country, but as one of the nicest, most peaceful places on earth. So he's either a criminal or a liar for both. If Engel's account were true, he would have had to have blinded himself to the field reports from Uruguay passing across his desk almost on a daily basis. Those U-127 forms marked confidential.

42:28 and sent by the guy there, Adolf Sienz, the chief advisor whom Mitterrand would be replacing, treated Uruguay's political problems, or he conveyed them in exhaustive detail. The labor strikes, the student unrest, the revolutionaries who called themselves Tupamaros were referenced routinely in his reports. When the Tupararos stole,

42:58 40 weapons or made off with 140 kilos of dynamite or distributed tracts of leaflets, it was immediately reported to Washington in his reports. When suspected Tuporeros were arrested, their full names were passed along to Washington, D.C. for inclusions in intelligence files.

43:26 Despite later disclaimers, it was clear Mitterrand was headed to Uruguay entirely aware of his assignment and what he was going to be doing in training the police to deal with the Tupomaros. As rebellion spread across the world, criticism of the tactics of U.S. advisors and that they employed was becoming harder for the Office of Public Safety to shrug off.

43:53 Reports were coming in as far as Athens, where Greeks believed the CIA had conspired to bring a military junta to power, which they did. From Portugal, ports were coming in, where Washington had supported a dictator there for generations and torture. They were also coming in from South Vietnam, which, of course, the Office of Public Safety was there, too.

44:22 In Portugal, officers from the intelligence agency called PIDE were boasting to their victims that a grade school education was no longer sufficient for their work. The new interrogation methods were too complicated. The source of PIDE's improved technical expertise was clear. US officials from the Lisbon embassy

44:46 called in regularly at PIDE's headquarters. The director of PIDE's investigative branch was the Portuguese representative to Interpol. In the late 1960s, four senior PIDE inspectors toured Brazil. So remember that in Portugal, they were embroiled in Operation Gladio through a genter press. So Portugal was all in on all of this.

45:16 In Vietnam, although civilian victims were often nameless to U.S. troops, there were exceptions. Ms. Nguyen Thi Nhan, a widow, was arrested several times in Saigon, the first in 1969, and charged with being a member of the National Liberation Front. At police headquarters, she was given shock treatments. An iron rod forced up her vagina. Three Western U.S.

45:46 members in uniform watched her being tortured, and the police told her they were CIA officers. One of them ordered a Vietnamese interrogator to ram needles under her fingernails. Another woman, Nguyen Thai Bo, was taken into custody that same year in Da Nang because she had neither an ID card or money to bribe the police for release. At the police station, Mrs. Bo

46:16 had a stick put in her vagina. Then her face had been held in a toilet bowl filled with number two. She was next moved to a prison where she was questioned by five U.S. agents wearing green fatigues. After they tied her up, three of the men kicked her. Stories like these were beginning to discredit U.S. intelligence services and the worst were to come.

46:43 Although it was not yet public knowledge, the U.S. had been running torture camps, which were always passed off as schools for survival. So they were schools for survival. They were just torture camps, and you were lucky if you survived. Kind of a twist on terms. Two such secret installations in northwest Maine and in California near San Diego were ran by the Navy. One torture technique involved strapping the Navy men's face up and...

47:13 pouring cold water on towels placed over their face until they gagged. We know that as waterboarding now. On the Army side, Donald Duncan, a Green Beret, went through training at Fort Bragg, where the sergeant giving a lesson in hostile interrogation described in detail a number of tortures, including lowering a man's testicles into a jeweler's vice.

47:38 Finally, a soldier in the class interrupted. Are you suggesting we use these techniques? The class laughed out loud. The instructor raised his face. We can't tell you that, Sergeant Harrison. The mothers of America wouldn't approve. Everyone laughed out loud. Furthermore, the sergeant said with a wink, we will deny any such thing as taught or intended. Torture training was not restricted to North Americans.

48:08 On the island of Niteroi, across the bay from Rio, the Brazilian military had set up a camp modeled after the Green Berets. The students were kept awake, starved, and caged. They were hung on beams and mocked crucifixions. As a way of breaking a man, it proved too effective. After 18 hours, the Brazilian soldiers were confessing to crimes they hadn't even committed. As a result of all of this, the Office of Public Safety

48:37 faced serious problems in 1969. Its connections with the CIA, the war in Vietnam, and similar accounts of torturing turning up all over the world were rendering the advisory program politically vulnerable. Worse yet, the rebel movements, especially in Latin America, were growing as a result of it. In the eyes of the Office of Public Safety and the U.S. military, the two Pereros in Uruguay presented a particularly grave threat.

49:06 to established order. In other words, to the oligarchs. That Uruguay should become a breeding ground for revolutionaries seemed to be one of history's incongruent accidents, like Switzerland being the birthplace of Jean-Paul Marat. Indeed, though Uruguay was more than four times the size of Switzerland with half the population, it was most often compared to that country. For one thing,

49:35 It was set between Argentina and Brazil, very much like the Swiss was between Germany and France. Its very existence depended on good neighbors. Of the two nations, nature had been kinder to Uruguay. It had gentle climate and a seacoast for commerce. It had beautiful beaches instead of the Alps.

50:08 an Uruguayan garden, fate sent an idealist by the name of José Batel Ordóñez, a newspaper publisher who came to power in 1904 after punishing civil war. Perhaps as a consequence of seeing Uruguay divided, Batel had determined to treat the small nation as one family, with labor occupying an honored place at the table.

50:34 But Uruguay's Italians did not settle nicely into those communities. They brought the new world and their militant syndicate ideas. With Patel's support, they created a powerful labor movement. Patel resisted relying on foreign capital to build his nation because he believed that dependency led to foreign control.

51:04 He fostered a benign statism with utilities and industries owned by the government, but incorporated as separate entities. Their goal was not to profit from them, but to keep prices low for their citizens. Patel sought to temper Latin Americans' run towards dictators by proposing a nine-member executive committee. The idea met with more resistance.

51:36 than anything else he had proposed. It was not until 1951 that Uruguayans at last agreed to be governed by the executive committee. During the first half of the century, Uruguay seemed to fulfill most of Battelle's utopian dreams. It was a one crop country, but that crop, rather than sugar or coffee, was cattle. And since Europe had both the money and the taste for Uruguayan beef,

52:05 The economy flourished. Cattle were ever-renewable resources, which encouraged Uruguayans to take life in a more customary Latin ease. Occasionally, there were warning signs of trouble. When the price of beef dipped, pensions costs kept rising. The government spent the bulk of its money on the cities and left the rural Uruguayans.

52:35 wanting more. The system had neglected the farm workers, particularly those that were harvesting sugarcane. The cane cutters received their pay and vouchers for goods that they could only use on plantation stores. They had to build their own huts on the plantation. Plantation owners would have the huts set on fire, forcing the cutters to move on when they didn't want to pay them. They were compelled to work 16 hours a day.

53:05 Every attempt to organize or strike was broken up by police. The cane cutters formed a mute and helpless underside to Uruguay's model democracy. Statistically, only 9% of the population of this population could read or write. They found their voice in a guy by the name of Raul Sindic Ananosia. Like John Park, John Mark,

53:37 Sendak was one of the men marked for a good life. His family was a small landowner in the department of Flores, but Sendak was indifferent to his surrounding and chose to live in a poor section of Montevideo. A member of Uruguayan's socialist youth, Sendak was only one examination short of getting his law degree when he dropped out of school.

54:05 He went instead 450 miles north of Montevideo and volunteered to be a legal advisor for a new union for the cane cutters. Possibly, he expected that once the plight of the cutters had came to the attention of his fellow citizens, that the injustices would be righted. In 1962, Sendik led a march of cane cutters to Montevideo.

54:35 They asked for a law to limit their working days to eight hours, a standard shift among office and factory workers. Uruguayan press gave the march wide coverage. The legislative investigating team went to Articus and reported that the conditions were so bad, yet no law was passed. The middle class in the cities had its own problems.

55:00 And anyone who neglected to bribe the right official could wait up to 10 years for government documents to be processed for anything. The banks and the highest level of industry, the courts, were all believed to be skimming money off the top. In 1963, Uruguay's newspaper reported an event incomprehensible to most readers.

55:25 A group of burglars had broke into the Swiss Club, a hunting lodge outside of Montevideo, and made off with some of the old, worthless weapons. Five men were involved, and one of them was syndic. Another was a medical doctor and a club member named Loco. That was just the beginning. Then there were other brazen criminals held up customs officials in Uruguay's borders and took their weapons away from them.

55:54 Although the police intelligence unit began to suspect these armed thefts were connected, it was not until 1965 that their scraps of information began to fit a pattern. There were dissidents, and eventually they became known as the Tupomaros. It was a nickname for the movement of national liberation. Police spies called them the most intelligent and clever group.

56:27 In time, the Tupomaros produced their share of revolutionary literature. Words divide us, action unites us was their motto. The decision to forego a manifesto as opposed to action led to a rise in notoriety. Throughout 1965, the Tupomaros bombed a number of

56:56 subsidiaries of U.S. corporations. They did not maim or kill anyone. Their bombs were only noisy PR devices to introduce themselves, so they left their leaflets behind. Tupomaro's came from an indigenous Indian chief, so that became their nickname. He had led the revolt against the Spanish in Peru in the 1700s.

57:28 At first, this new ban sought to avoid confrontation with police, a tactic that earned Byron Ingalls contempt. Cowardly, he called them, you know, the people he didn't know existed, because they wouldn't stand up and fight. Halfway around the world, General William Westmoreland was making the same complaint about the National Liberation Front in Vietnam. I don't know, that may have been a pattern too.

57:58 When the Tupomaros did appear in public, they took the guise of public benefactors. They stole trucks and give the food to the poor. Breaking into armories, the Tupomaros stole police uniforms and wore them to hold up banks. The clerks would, and they also passed out some of that money. So no one in the country actually...

58:25 necessarily dislike them. They understood what they were doing. They kidnapped the closest friend of President Jorge Arrico, a guy by the name of Ulysses Reverbal, and held him captive in what they called a people's prison. From a public relations standpoint, the two Pomaros could hardly have chosen better. Parari, Ulysses Parari,

59:00 who once killed a newsboy for stealing a paper, was denounced as one of the most hated men in Uruguay. The Tuporaros held Pereira four days, but it was long enough to set the Uruguayans laughing at him at the police department and at the president. While the Tuporaros were staging this popular theater,

59:29 The government of Uruguay was in fact undergoing changes very different from what the Tupamaros were promoting. Since 1950, Uruguay had been part of the International Monetary Fund. Bastards. Disregarding Battelle's admonition about getting foreign loans. Although the Tupamaros were dramatizing the need for reform, more Uruguayans were probably convinced of that need by an inflation rate.

59:59 that after the IMF got involved, rose to 136%. To overhaul the government, voters decided to do away with the nine-member executive committee and return to a single president. They elected General Oscar Gastito, among whom both supporters and detractors compared to Dwight D. Eisenhower. Holy crap. They must not really know Dwight D. Eisenhower. Or maybe they do.

1:00:29 Before the year was out, Gastito died. Almost as soon as he took office, the vice president, Jorge Pachico-Orico, began to cry that they were having a communist invasion. It became an Uruguayan joke. Philip McGee, seasoned by nearly six years in field work,

1:01:01 put in a productive term in Iroquois helping to achieve one of the CIA's major goals. The agency had already installed much of the usual apparatus in Iroquois, including an active arm of the AIFLD, which is that group that eventually becomes part of NED, which is the labor union, the anti-labor unions that won't let real labor unions form.

1:01:29 and they create other ones that are fake. In addition, a special branch for police intelligence work, secretly underwritten by the CIA, had been set up in Monteviedo. Its chief was an ambitious young police commissioner by the name of Alejandro Otero. By scoring well on police tests, Otero had advanced past many men that were senior to him.

1:02:00 He was Agui's age, 30, and although within his department, Otero was regarded as a spoiled child, the two men got along. Otero was no less intelligent than Fleury in Brazil, but his campaign against the revolutionaries never took the deadly aspects as they did in Brazil.

1:02:26 He was too preoccupied with the fortunes of his fellow officers, always sure the ones he basically was paranoid. He was thinking because he was younger than all of them that they were always going to be plotting against him. There were feuds all the time. In the spring of 1966, the CIA sent Otero to the United States for the International Police Academy. He was supposed to believe that the school was run by USAID.

1:02:56 After that course, Otero was transferred for several weeks to undergo training controlled by the CIA. That's where he learned that basically the Office of Public Safety was part of this whole apparatus. Otero himself was on the CIA payroll. Phil Agee knew that his superiors in Washington trusted any foreign contact far more once he was accepting U.S. dollars. With Otero,

1:03:28 as with other police officers contracted with the CIA, a CIA officer would first comment on the heavy expenses of a new office or process and suggest that since much of the information was useful for Washington, they'd just pick up the bill. So they basically would end up owning the entire police force. They would hand over sums of money that they knew was inflated.

1:03:56 They knew that the police officers were skimming money off of it, but they didn't care. The CIA officer increased the monthly payments until there could be no question they had their hooks into them. Otero had succumbed to these blackmail techniques. After his training in the U.S., the CIA station hoped that he would return to Uruguay ready to do battle with the new Tupamaros.

1:04:26 except in advancing within the police. The experience with Otero ranked only as a qualified success, but with another assignment, the Monteviego station scored much better. For years, the CIA wanted to introduce the Office of Public Safety into Uruguay. The Uruguayan government finally agreed, but when the Office of Public Safety sent Adolf Cien, he proved...

1:04:56 Something of a pass for a gee and his. Where did Bridget go? Can you guys still hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. We can hear you. Drop down to listener. I don't know if you can bring her back. I just did. She said she lost her sound. So let me put you as co-host because if I don't, they'll close the space. Okay. So in other words, the CIA didn't like Adolf.

1:05:38 And he is going to get replaced with Dan Meterone. So the. All right. Let me bring her back up. OK. Siennes had been a former cop in L.A. And we know all about the CIA's agreement with the L.A. Police Department. So at the time, John Horton.

1:06:18 was the CIA station chief, and he did not like Cien at all. Then, Cesar Bernal, B-E-R-N-A-L, arrived, and he had been not only just in Vietnam, but he had also been in Panama, and the CIA officers agreed that Cien had to go. Okay.

1:06:53 So the threats continued to grow of the Tuporaros. The police chief ordered small wooden guard posts installed at each door around the city in order to try to give them some protection and provide them kind of like a lookout. But the pay of most of the police in...

1:07:23 And Uruguay was very bad. So the U.S. Police Advisory Office was very small. And there was another guy there by the name of William Cantrell. William Cantrell didn't spend a lot of time in the office. He was also a CIA officer. So Cantrell is pretending to be in the Office of Public Safety, but he's actually a CIA agent. Okay.

1:08:05 It was March or April of 1967 that, let's see, I think that's probably a good place to stop because we're kind of at a stopping point having introduced the people in Uruguay. Well, some of the main players anyway. We will pick up there tomorrow. Crazy. These people are nuts.

1:08:38 They are really crazy. They're sick in the mind. I'm still blown away by these torturous things that they do to people that a normal person wouldn't even think of doing. They're, I mean, beyond evil. So to me, what's interesting about this, instead of normal police work where you commit a crime, you get picked up and you go to jail, you go through a court process.

1:09:08 These people didn't want any of this. They weren't satisfied with just arresting people that were committing crimes. They moved past that to thought crimes. If you are a member of the wrong group, and isn't that what happened with January 6th? Isn't that what happens with many of the FBI?

1:09:34 basically labeling all parents who went to school boards terrorists. If you can't see the analogies of all of this with what they were doing in the United States, you have to be blind. And that's why I think it's so important to go back and look at every one of these agencies that are involved. All of these countries, by the way, had FBI stations in them too.

1:10:01 So they have the FBI sitting next to CIA sitting next to USAID in the embassies. They all know what's going on. They're all part of what's going on. Eventually, there's DEA agents in the same thing. And as we find out, I've already said this, it comes out again in the book. But when the Office of Public Safety closed down.

1:10:30 Those people didn't go away. A lot of them, probably the majority of them, went to the DEA. And they do business inside America. So this training that they were providing on American soil with a wink and a nod, hey, this is some of the torture that's around.

1:11:01 Are you suggesting we do it? Well, I can't actually suggest you do it, but I'm going to show you how to do it. It's so beyond the pale, it's not even funny. And one of the questions over on Rumble earlier, or not questions, but comments, I guess, was if they're still doing this. And I mentioned that we had seen in the Diego Garcia type things about how...

1:11:37 Until they're stopped, they're going to continue to do these. What do you think black sites are? Right. Exactly. Well, I mean, didn't it come out during Trump's first term? The waterboarding and all that stuff with Gina Hassell. I mean, they were doing this back. Yeah. Yeah. The CIA black sites that were set up all over the world during the aftermath of 9-11.

1:12:08 And the rendition program and all of that stuff. Of course they're still doing it. No one went to jail. Right. Until people are in prison, behind bars, who are doing this, they're not going to stop. No. They're going to continue even teaching it. Wouldn't you agree? Yes.

1:12:32 Because they're getting rewarded. They're getting paid to do this crazy stuff. And I didn't know the FBI was overseas. I thought that they were just supposed to be working in our own country. The FBI had a station in London that was working on the Russiagate shit. They were all over Rome for the piece that was done in Rome to Papadopoulos. They have stations all over the world. They shouldn't.

1:13:02 But they do. So it wasn't just, okay, well, yeah, I get, well, now, yeah, never mind. I thought that those were the ones that were here domestically doing their shit and then flew over there and conspired with the CIA. No. There are FBI agents assigned all over the world. Now, according to the propaganda that they run on TV, it is supposed to be only a domestic agency. Correct? Right.

1:13:40 Just that way it makes more sense to people. Well, the propaganda says the CIA is only supposed to be overseas. Right. And not operating in the United States. Which they do every day. Which until Operation Gladio, just like Bridget's saying, and I thought that the CIA just worked overseas.

1:14:07 I thought the FBI just worked here during that stuff. I thought they boarded a plane to go and talk to. Well, I didn't understand why they had to board a plane. I didn't understand why they couldn't do Zoom or something. But then I thought, oh, maybe because, you know, it needs to be encrypted. So that's why they physically had to go over there. Had no idea that there's. So we have encrypted SIPRnet phones, which is the highly classified.

1:14:34 As a matter of fact, Dr. Perry, the old SecDef when I was at the Pentagon, has a patent on that. He's the one that created it. So you can have conference calls encrypted. And that's how the SecDef communicates when he's flying around on the plane. They're satellite encrypted. That can all be done. But it's also all monitored. The reason they flew over there is because they didn't want it monitored. Miles, go ahead.

1:15:06 Well, and look at Pompeo going overseas even more recently. Because they don't want it monitored. So that's why Gina Haskell went to Germany to do whatever she was doing? So it wouldn't be monitored? She was the CIA station chief during Russiagate in London. So she had the freedom to go wherever she wanted.

1:15:41 Miles, go ahead. Good afternoon, everyone. Yeah, I was listening and just to hear the voices of people when they learn the truth. And look, we're used to learning the truth. We're still shocked at some of the stuff. And this is not over, guys. This is just the beginning of learning the truth and being shocked about what has happened. Amen.

1:16:14 I think our audience is going to be more prepared than anybody just because we know the history of what has gone on and what has been done in our name. And we know that everything that they did in all of these foreign countries has been brought home. So let me also suggest to all of you, because I've been doing a lot of thinking about this.

1:16:44 The constant, oh, my God, the Democrats, oh, my God, the Democrats, obviously is very frustrating to me because we know that it is not just the Democrats. It is a uniparty. And there's been a lot of kind of sidebar conversations about no one zooms out to the 30,000 foot look. And that's very frustrating to me.

1:17:11 People look at Europe as if it's different than the United States and the flooding of the European countries with foreigners. And obviously the same thing happened here. But if you collectively look at the destabilization around the world and throwing all of these other countries.

1:17:40 into decades-long struggles. It was clear about 20 years ago that they had to, to further their plan, destabilize their own countries if they were going to get rid of the quote-unquote democracies of the West. So they have a model to get rid of democracies around the world, and they've perfected it to near perfection.

1:18:09 To add a whim, create destabilization, overthrow the government and put in. So they basically got the model down and they could do, you know, multiple ones of these for anybody that in the interim of them overthrowing a country. Then they turn their sights in order to get one world order to the West. And the influx.

1:18:37 Another benefit of them doing Desert Storm 1, creating radical Islamic terrorism and destabilizing those regions, and then through the quote-unquote refugee program, began massively importing them not just to the United States, but to all of Europe. And that was the seed that was planted after Desert Storm 1.

1:19:04 to grow a tree of destabilization in the quote-unquote democracies of the West. And understand that this process began in the late 1800s from our perspective with the Fabian Society. And yes, you can say it dates back further than that, but let's just start there. And you see this, this was a century-long

1:19:34 plan in order to establish this. They just kept handing the torch off to the next generation that they spawned. These people's ancestors, as Warhamster and I have documented on Secret Societies, are the next generation.

1:19:57 Working at the CIA, working in banking, this is all generational. Working in these foundations, it's all generational. They were brought up to do the next generation phase of this. And I hope everyone can see that this was not a plan by the Democrats.

1:20:22 This was a generational plan that's been going on for over 100 years. And the West is now in the crosshairs of that plan. Illini, did you want to add anything? No, Colonel. I had another question, but if we want to stay on topic, I'll leave it open for anybody else's questions. But then I had a question for you on Obama. Okay. Caleb?

1:21:00 I don't know if you guys have watched Taylor Sheridan's work with the Sicario movies, but I think that at least in terms of the disclosure of the work in our workings of intelligence was at least started with those in those movies, because you have Emily Blunt's character say being attached to a CIA op because.

1:21:29 international intelligence or however they say it cannot operate on domestic soil without domestic agencies attached or however the wording is and people really don't pick up on that and so just pointing something out that i observed in a movie that is connected in with all of this intelligence stuff yeah and it's it's interesting that we know that that's what

1:21:57 is supposed to happen, but we've proven in our two and a half years in investigating Operation Gladio that the CIA has operated independent of other agencies repeatedly in the United States, both with terrorist training camps here, the training of the Cuban exiles, which go on to carry out bombings in New York City and Washington, D.C. That was not done in...

1:22:25 in coordination with any other organization. The setting up of the four illegally owned banks as subsidiaries of BCCI inside the United States to launder their money, again, not done with any, now there are a lot of criminals involved in it, but, and people that facilitated it inside of covering it up inside of the government. But again, it was being done.

1:22:51 And they didn't even pretend to be working with another domestic. MKUltra, another example of that, experimenting with LSD on unsuspecting people inside the United States. They have repeatedly operated in the United States, and Congress has done nothing to hold them accountable. If anything, they run cover for them, like we saw with the church committee. Well, and...

1:23:21 People don't understand that just like we just saw with the Office of Public Safety in Uruguay, there's a CIA agent, not an asset, an agent, not somebody just being paid by the CIA, posing as an Office of Public Safety person, which reports to the USAID. USAID was infiltrated from day one with CIA, before that OSS, before that whatever.

1:23:50 They use these as front organizations to work, not just, and the same is true with the FBI. The CIA has had, the CIA has people in uniform in the military. We uncovered that as well. They recruit them on the university. They go do their military service and come out.

1:24:18 work for the CIA, but they do missions as military attaches while they're in the military and they're actually on the payroll of the CIA. So the CIA... And then there's the ambassador angle. And the ambassador angle. Yeah. So it is a big hydra. All right, Illini, go ahead off topic.

1:24:48 All right, Colonel, you covered this in a space with Alpha Warrior about two or three weeks ago. But, you know, it's it's becoming pretty topical right now, given, you know, Tulsi Gabbard's disclosures. Can we sort of walk back through Obama's relationship with the CIA? Like, I guess we have to walk through like.

1:25:13 His family and USAID, but then also Business International Corporation. But there were a couple of other links. I think there's a link to Brennan, too. If we're in a space and we're trying to convince somebody else that there's a lot more to Obama that we don't know, how do we do that? Well, I think you start with a picture of Obama's mom and her dad greeting.

1:25:42 the soon-to-be Obama dad at the Hawaiian airport. You definitely have to talk about the East-West CIA front disguised as a school ran in Hawaii because that's where she meets Sotero, his stepdad. Occidental, Occidental's where he first went to college, ran by a CIA guy.

1:26:13 So every step of the way, his conception was arranged through a program that brought Kenyans over to America to recruit them as CIA operatives to go back to, and not just Kenya, multiple African countries, but quite a few of them because of...

1:26:38 The guy that was orchestrating it in Kenya had very good relations with the United States. So a lot more Kenyans came than the other countries. Kenya was critical as a launching pad for operations inside of Africa for lots of different reasons. As a matter of fact, just so that you guys know this, the U.S. Central Command, when I was stationed at U.S. CENTCOM in 1999,

1:27:09 The big annual exercise they did, it was done in Kenya more than any other country. The last year we did it right before 9-11, then we went from exercises to real world, was done in Egypt. But Kenya was kind of the go-to place for most of the military training in CENTCOM's AOR because at the time,

1:27:40 Almost all of the Horn of Africa area was under CENTCOM's AOR, the Area of Responsibility. So there is a long history of our country and Kenya. It's not a coincidence also that when Jimmy Carter fired over 800 CIA

1:28:09 covert operators in the Halloween Massacre, his first year in office, that the Safari Club was created by none other than Aiden Shikogi, the arms dealer that is a favorite of CIA covert arms trafficking, was the guy that sets the Safari Club up. And where did he set it up? Kenya.

1:28:35 So there's so many tentacles. So just so that you guys know, there was an organization, the Safari Club, that basically hired in and paid as operatives a good chunk of those that were, quote unquote, fired from the CIA that was going to sit around for the next four years and wait out Jimmy Carter's.

1:29:04 re-election sabotage that happened. And in order for them to stay proficient, they did missions under the Safari Club. And that's where you will find George H.W. Bush hanging out as well. He was a member of the Safari Club. So I start with that picture. That's before he's even conceived. That was the first night.

1:29:32 Barack Obama's alleged dad stepped foot in Hawaii. And it's just weird that, you know, some guy that's a furniture store owner, supposedly, grandpa to Obama, is there to greet him and he's standing right next to him. And Obama's future mom is also on the tarmac to meet him.

1:29:58 He was the first and I think the only one of that African airlift for education that was funded, like I said, by a CIA front to go to the University of Hawaii. So I don't think any of that is a coincidence. And, you know, you fast forward to his mom working for USAID, which is a CIA front in Indonesia and all over that area, by the way.

1:30:24 She was in more way more countries than that, because remember, we also tracked her to Pakistan right at the time that we were training the people that were going to go, quote unquote, fight the Russians with the large influx of hundreds of millions of dollars into Pakistan's ISI, which is the counterpart to the CIA there.

1:30:52 And then, of course, as we said, there's the Pakistan link with his mom. And I think you also said at one point that Brennan was there at the same time. Yes. That one's interesting. Yes. Like that, that would probably like, I think you've almost got them with, with business international corporation or at least talks about either. Do they?

1:31:16 Yeah, I mean, that's something pretty important, yet nobody ever mentioned it. They all talk about how he was a community organizer in Chicago, and they just sort of gloss over that job where he's working for this international organization that consults with businesses and happens to be a front sometimes for the Central Intelligence Agency. Yeah, the co-founder, the guy that founded it's son, and him.

1:31:44 um, create business, um, international. They, his son is on record saying it was, it worked for the CIA and there were CIA embedded in their employment. But then the question is, is what was he doing in Pakistan? And was, can we show that Obama was, was in contact with Brennan and in Pakistan, the early eighties, while he's, you know,

1:32:12 You know, he's a student at Columbia, but then he also admits that he was in Pakistan. And I think his mom is there kind of around the same time. Can we put all three of them in the same room? Yeah, he went to see his mom. His mom was definitely there at the same time. Okay, but then I think Brennan was in Pakistan. The question is, can we put all three of them in the same room? And if we can do that, I think... Well, we can't with our access, but...

1:32:40 It will be interesting on how this thing drips out because there's definitely a dotted line there. Whether it's a solid line, I don't know. There's a dotted line there. How many coincidences are there? No one at Columbia ever saw the guy. And there are a lot of people out there that make the accusation he didn't actually even go to Columbia. He was somewhere else.

1:33:12 And why is every single record sealed if he has nothing to hide? Everything about him is sealed. So the only agency that can seal everything for national security is the CIA. They're the only ones. Nobody else has that authority. He's totally a red diaper baby. He's a CIA diaper baby. That's what I think.

1:33:46 I mean, well, he was raised by USAID parents. Exactly. I was meaning like red, because back in the olden days, you remember like when USSR was around and the Chinese flag and the USSR flag was all red. So I think that the term was red diaper baby, communist baby. It was like they were just breeding whatever. But he's not a communist. He is an agent from birth of...

1:34:14 I mean, he fits the very definition of the Manchurian candidate in every way. His conception was, I mean, coordinate. This is grooming from the birth by the very deep state evil international syndicate. You can't dismiss either that his stepdad was a colonel in the Indonesian.

1:34:45 military when the CIA operation to overthrow Sukarno happened. He was part of a CIA operation to overthrow a government that the CIA orchestrated. So not only is Obama's dad suspect, having been groomed by the CIA through this educational process, but his mother, 100%, went to a CIA front school.

1:35:18 Her mom was the banker in Hawaii for the CIA's slush funds, covert funding, at the Bank of Hawaii. The stepdad is part of a CIA operation to overthrow the Indonesian government. And then he gets into college at the Occidental that basically served as a...

1:35:47 The guy that founded Occidental had strong ties to the CIA. And then every step of the way, everything about this man is sealed up. I'm sure there's a perfectly logical, normal reason for that. And there's also a photograph of Obama when he was a young, young child, probably like 18 months, maybe two years old with George Bush.

1:36:20 Of course, Daddy Bush, Barbara Bush, and I think his mother was in the photograph. So totally confirm, you know, what you guys are saying as far as CIA. Stop spreading dangerous conspiracy theories, people. All these coincidences, pay no attention to them. Correct. Miles, go ahead. Alina, I am glad you brought this up. I was having a discussion in a space this morning about Obama and how things.

1:36:49 have to be really rolled out a certain way because, I mean, he was a two-term president and there were millions and millions, still millions of people, love this guy. So I don't know how they're really going to approach the narrative because we don't need any more evidence. We've done our homework. But the general population, they don't want civil discourse. How are they going to accept?

1:37:18 If he is arrested and all this stuff's brought out, I don't think he has immunity for certain charges. That's why they brought Trump up on those certain charges and it went to SCOTUS to define it more. So I think part of the rollout program, and I talked about this last year, is that

1:37:45 why are we waiting so long for this? And I said, it has to do with the financial stuff. Once you figure out and get a new financial system in place and people are fat and happy, you can arrest anybody. So I think that that's what the holdup has been. And if you look how the timeline is playing out, especially August 1st and certain other dates,

1:38:12 They have got to go ahead. OK, start to roll this out. We're ready. Now, I could be completely wrong, but that's just the research that I've been doing. So let me just say, I don't think that it's tied to financials. I don't think that there's going to be any point in time where people are going to be fat, dumb and happy and not care. But I do think the relevant.

1:38:41 emphasis has to do with a couple of facts. I think there is, if you want a stable country to occur at the end of Trump's four years here, and you back that up to what has to have

1:39:06 been done by year three? What has to be done by year two? And what has to be done by the end of year one? The one thing that you could not have is all of these foreigners in our country that have ties to terrorist organizations and have been seated throughout our communities.

1:39:29 The thing that has to happen first is cleaning up all of those people and getting them out of our country. And that's what you're witnessing right now. As Americans become more used to having a robust ICE enforcement mechanism in their communities, which is happening right now and will happen throughout this first year.

1:39:57 You are going to see something as this intelligence comes out that is going to correspond with getting that cleaned up. And once you have agents in communities that can respond quickly to, I think that's why the things about, hey, we can deputize private security. We can deputize local sheriffs.

1:40:24 All of that stuff is being seeded in the minds of Americans. So that if you use Miles' statement about how are you going to indict Obama when he has people that still believe that he was not corrupt? Well, you do that through rounding up everybody that he hired in the first year.

1:40:51 which is happening with the intelligence dump right now, incriminating all of them. And one by one, you have those trials where you have built the evidence base that there's no way he doesn't know. There's going to be people that cooperate and turn on him through this process. And in America, they arrested a president, a former president.

1:41:18 that had 75 million people that voted for him, right? So there was not, other than January 1st, which was bullshit and a setup, there was no tearing down of buildings or anything like that. Now, will there be the potential for something like that to happen? Absolutely.

1:41:49 But by the time we get to that in this time phased approach, you are going to have the people that are going to be able to deal with that element if it occurs in a timely manner. And you're going to be able to, within a 10 year span of time, see basically the proof that they overthrew the sitting president through.

1:42:17 intelligence revelations and court processes so that at no point will there be any logical, not that everybody's logical, explanation for an uprising if and when he's ever arrested. So I do believe that this has been a well thought out plan.

1:42:43 I believe that the evidence is where all of this is going to lead. Stellar. And also to add on to what you're saying and to what he's saying. So don't forget, you know, Colonel Towner has been talking a lot about USAID, Act Blue and things like that. The ISOs and this quantum system has been running parallel.

1:43:11 to the fiat and the other systems so they can see what's going on. And as they're closing up all of these faucets of money.

1:43:23 I mean, the rioters and stuff are mainly paid distractors. So you turn that off, people aren't going to show up to riot. And as they start arresting people and more and more of the truth comes out and that children truly were in it, because again, media has suppressed a lot of that stuff. We're all still told that we're crazy. So as more of the truth comes out and stuff like that, I think people are going to get really pissed off. I don't think that they're going to care that he was a black man or not, personally.

1:43:52 Just my saying. Renee, go ahead. Hey, Colonel. Hey, everybody. Always good to be here with you. I like this conversation. It's kind of like how to spot a spook. And I would like, if you don't mind, to take it back to Brazil on this subject. I've been doing some digging on my own regarding their Supreme Court and their people in political office and power right now.

1:44:23 And Brazil does not really have like the heritage and the lineage that we can find and connect dots to here, you know, like family and the associations and whatever, especially after the coup. So my question is to you, please, what would be your opinion as far as how these...

1:44:48 individuals were placed in power is it most likely you think through their education and the universities or through Brazil's intelligence because Brazil to me and my in-laws there is still a very captured country and yeah but I do think that they have well I don't think I know they have some

1:45:18 Brazil, and I don't mean to kind of paint this with a broad brush, but let me just say this. In all of the countries that we've destabilized, one of the ways that we did that was, and Brazil already had some leftover from the Portuguese. They have elite families. These elite families.

1:45:46 were bought off a long time ago by the Western oligarchs. So many of their deep state, if you will, the kind of what Warhamster talks about the Northeast.

1:46:10 oligarchs and the Yankees and the Cowboys with the Cowboys being the oil barons in the United States. Brazil has something that's very similar to that. You have these old families and these old families got in bed with the Nelson Rockefellers of the day and made themselves even more rich. So those are the people that

1:46:40 kind of behind the scenes run most of everything. Bolsonaro was one of those like kind of the analogy to Trump that wanted to get rid of that deep state in Brazil and they fought back against him much like what they did with Trump. So I do think those links are there and the

1:47:06 The allowance of like what we just read about what happened in Brazil happens because we have educated to a large extent their military and their upper echelons, both in the legal system there and in their government overall. They have that institutional just like we do.

1:47:34 fourth branch of government that operates independently of any Democrat system. So I do think there's a lot of analogies there. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. It does. I'm hitting some walls when I try in their Supreme Court.

1:47:58 is above the president kind of in a way. I'm sure everybody's heard of Alexandre de Moraes and his censorship BS. And then the minister of finance, he's the one, because Brazil still to this day, they deal with a lot of tariffs. So for example,

1:48:24 And it's complete contradiction because Brazil says, oh, we put tariffs on imported goods because we want to support our industry.

1:48:35 So like cars, for example, and who are the main cars in Brazil? It's Volkswagen, Fiat and American cars and Chinese or Japanese cars. But OK, so let's try and build a Brazilian car. Well, they don't do that because they also put tariffs, more tariffs on. So they only import the parts and they these companies set up their manufacturing facilities there. Or if you want an Apple phone, say it's a thousand.

1:49:05 It's $2,000 here in the U.S. It's $2,000 there. But they don't – there's like a catch-22 because they tariff and put all these taxes. It's such a hypocritical, contradictory thing. And this minister of finance and the current president just keep increasing taxes and the tariffs and making it difficult. They're not – it's like –

1:49:28 because they're saying we want to create more industry in Brazil for our people, but then they don't do that. So it's lies. But they're not in control of their own government. That's what I'm trying to say. The Western oligarchs that got their grips into Brazil are behind all of that. They are protecting their own.

1:49:52 creation. They were allowed to go in and build out all of that industrial base. They were allowed to go in and basically take over the mining in Brazil. They were able to take over everything. So a competitor thinks they're going to come in and they don't want it built in Brazil because there's other cheap countries that they can get that stuff from. So they don't want to help out the Brazilians.

1:50:22 They want to help themselves out. And that's kind of what most people don't understand with Trump's tariffs. He's actually destroying the grift that these Western oligarchs have over these other countries by either making them pay us here or drop their tariffs there, which will allow the industrial base in their countries to grow too internally.

1:50:50 He's taking down all of this Western oligarch control. Illini, go ahead. Hey, Colonel, if we take that one step further, wouldn't it make sense, like, you know, when we're in this, you know, tariff war with Canada or Brazil or some of these other countries, wouldn't it make sense for there to be an exemption for small business in all of this?

1:51:15 Like if you're a small Brazilian business, like my idea was if you stick at least 17 American flags on your car, you should be allowed to drive one carload full of duty-free items into the United States once a week. And you could just have this silly policy that basically forces Brazilians to support, you know, to basically go around.

1:51:42 or Canadians to go around and say, I support Trump and he supports small business and basically do a lot of disruption on the internal politics of some of these countries. I would love that. That would be hilarious. I mean, but speaking of Canada, the Amish in Canada who don't have phones had to sue the government to be able to drive across the border.

1:52:10 Maybe they've actually started that Illini and we just don't know it. So, yeah, I'm all for small business. Put the oligarchs out of work and tax their foundation until they go away. Anyway. All right. That brings us up on our two hours. So very interesting conversations, you guys. I love this. I absolutely love it. So thank you all for being here today.

1:52:46 I think we should probably, by the end of the week, be done with this book. It's a hard book to get through, but it is one I think we all owe ourselves to understand what has been done in our name. And I think kind of the lasting impression is exactly what Angela said.

1:53:16 in the book, you don't get anything by embracing this policy as a country. You build an indigenous group of people that will forever hate the United States for having done what was done to them, number one. Number two, the inhumanity that it brings out in people

1:53:46 should never be a part of any country's toolkit. It just shouldn't, especially when it involves officials in the United States government. And all it did in every one of these countries is grow an underground that was a hundred times bigger than a few disgruntled.

1:54:12 And I'm not belittling the workers. They had honest gripes with American oligarch countries that were doing business in their country. But they moved, if they would have just allowed a union to form and paid somebody a decent wage for eight hours of work. I hope you all realize this is being done at exactly the time.

1:54:42 That after all of these dictators are installed, the son of a bitches in the United States that did all this shit offshored all of our jobs to these very countries where they controlled everything so they could take advantage of the slave labor. Every single one of them did that. That is not a coincidence. They destabilize a country to create a serf population that's even worse than the one that was there.

1:55:11 in order to offshore our jobs to those countries. So this is bigger than what most people would get from reading a single book. This was a decades-long process to not only impoverish us, but to impoverish people all over the world. And it was done by some of the most vilest people.

1:55:40 in the Western, because it was people in Europe, it was people in America that did all of this. And so I hope that comes out in all of this stuff. So with that, we're going to call it a day. You guys take care, and I will be back tomorrow.

Entities here

Uruguay25 CIA21 Brazil21 Barack Obama18 Angela Ciesas17 Marcos Adruda17 USAID17 Fernando Gabeira15 Tupamaros15 Byron Engle15 Stanley Ann Dunham9 Vietnam7 United States6 Alejandro Otero6 Adolf Sien5 José Batlle y Ordóñez5 Montevideo5 Kenya5 OBAN4 São Paulo4 Operation Gladio4 Washington, D.C.4 International Police Academy4 FBI4 John Brennan4 Raúl Sendic4 Castolima Magalhas4 United States Central Command3 Charles Burke Elbrick3 Jean-Marc van der3 Pakistan3 Safari Club3 Lolo Soetoro3 Portugal3 Business Risk International3 East-West Center2 U.S. Army Special Forces2 Isle of Flowers2 Nguyen Thanh2 Chile2

Claims made here

United States trained OBAN host_asserted ▶ 8:42

“There's one of them said there's nothing new or important in the torture, but the experience is incredibly boring for me. I have I never have anything to discuss afterwards, you know, like another day…”

United States trained Brazil host_asserted ▶ 9:14

“One army officer said in front of Fernando that they had gone on a raid against some of the rebels and that other men in his party had destroyed local crops and that the entire group had been trained …”

United States trained Brazil host_asserted ▶ 10:49

“They attributed the new Brazilian efficiency to the U.S. training. Before the U.S. advisors helped to centralize information, it had taken days to discover whether New Prisoners was a leader or a rebe…”

Fernando Gabeira carried_out_attack Charles Burke Elbrick host_asserted ▶ 16:46

“once she was imprisoned. She had joined one of the rebellion groups. They were both a military and a political group. The decision was not Angela's to make. She was assigned to the political side. The…”

United States trained Brazil host_asserted ▶ 25:06

“continued. Angela would faint and awake to find her mind clearer than ever. It was as if she was floating outside of herself, watching herself being tortured. She said that she would never forgive the…”

USAID infiltrated Metal Workers Union of San Paolo host_asserted ▶ 28:55

“to help some of the people there with their grievances and their disputes. One of the companies was called metal. Well, one of the quote unquote unions that had been infiltrated was called the Metal W…”

Dan Mitterrand trained Brazil host_asserted ▶ 36:25

“Doesn't that tell you something? The corporal said, you have strong arguments. Let me go away or you'll convince me. Mario Pinto da Silva had been a schoolboy in Brazil when Dan Mitterrand arrived to …”

Byron Engle trained Brazil book_quoted ▶ 36:59

“When the exchange of gunfire, two policemen were killed. None of the rebels were hit. Murillo was charged with four crimes, unlawful possession of a gun, being a member of an illegal association, arme…”

Byron Engle appointed International Police Academy book_quoted ▶ 40:26

“And remember where we left off with Dan Mitterrand is he was at the International Police Academy in Washington, D.C., because he had left Brazil already. And so he wanted to go back overseas. Mitterra…”

Byron Engle appointed Uruguay book_quoted ▶ 40:59

“Ingle said, we've been thinking about an overseas assignment for you. Mitterrand said, you know, I love working here at the academy. But Ingle said, yes, but how would you like to go to Uruguay? And M…”

Byron Engle denied Tupamaros book_quoted ▶ 40:59

Adolf Sien spied_on Tupamaros book_quoted ▶ 42:28

“and sent by the guy there, Adolf Sienz, the chief advisor whom Mitterrand would be replacing, treated Uruguay's political problems, or he conveyed them in exhaustive detail. The labor strikes, the stu…”

Portugal member_of Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 44:46

“called in regularly at PIDE's headquarters. The director of PIDE's investigative branch was the Portuguese representative to Interpol. In the late 1960s, four senior PIDE inspectors toured Brazil. So …”

Nguyen Thanh member_of Sandinistas book_quoted ▶ 45:16

“In Vietnam, although civilian victims were often nameless to U.S. troops, there were exceptions. Ms. Nguyen Thi Nhan, a widow, was arrested several times in Saigon, the first in 1969, and charged with…”

Brazil trained U.S. Army Special Forces book_quoted ▶ 48:08

“On the island of Niteroi, across the bay from Rio, the Brazilian military had set up a camp modeled after the Green Berets. The students were kept awake, starved, and caged. They were hung on beams an…”

José Batlle y Ordóñez headed Uruguay book_quoted ▶ 50:08

“an Uruguayan garden, fate sent an idealist by the name of José Batel Ordóñez, a newspaper publisher who came to power in 1904 after punishing civil war. Perhaps as a consequence of seeing Uruguay divi…”

Tupamaros carried_out_attack Swiss Club book_quoted ▶ 55:25

“A group of burglars had broke into the Swiss Club, a hunting lodge outside of Montevideo, and made off with some of the old, worthless weapons. Five men were involved, and one of them was syndic. Anot…”

Raúl Sendic member_of Tupamaros book_quoted ▶ 55:54

“Although the police intelligence unit began to suspect these armed thefts were connected, it was not until 1965 that their scraps of information began to fit a pattern. There were dissidents, and even…”

Tupamaros attempted_assassination_of Ulysses Pereira book_quoted ▶ 58:25

“necessarily dislike them. They understood what they were doing. They kidnapped the closest friend of President Jorge Arrico, a guy by the name of Ulysses Reverbal, and held him captive in what they ca…”

Uruguay member_of IMF book_quoted ▶ 59:29

“The government of Uruguay was in fact undergoing changes very different from what the Tupamaros were promoting. Since 1950, Uruguay had been part of the International Monetary Fund. Bastards. Disregar…”

Oscar Gestido headed Uruguay book_quoted ▶ 59:59

“that after the IMF got involved, rose to 136%. To overhaul the government, voters decided to do away with the nine-member executive committee and return to a single president. They elected General Osc…”

Jorge Pacheco Areco succeeded Oscar Gestido book_quoted ▶ 1:00:29

“Before the year was out, Gastito died. Almost as soon as he took office, the vice president, Jorge Pachico-Orico, began to cry that they were having a communist invasion. It became an Uruguayan joke. …”

John McMahon removed_from_power Adolf Sien book_quoted ▶ 1:06:18

“was the CIA station chief, and he did not like Cien at all. Then, Cesar Bernal, B-E-R-N-A-L, arrived, and he had been not only just in Vietnam, but he had also been in Panama, and the CIA officers agr…”

CIA laundered_money_for BCCI host_asserted ▶ 1:22:25

“in coordination with any other organization. The setting up of the four illegally owned banks as subsidiaries of BCCI inside the United States to launder their money, again, not done with any, now the…”

CIA conducted MKUltra host_asserted ▶ 1:22:51

“And they didn't even pretend to be working with another domestic. MKUltra, another example of that, experimenting with LSD on unsuspecting people inside the United States. They have repeatedly operate…”

CIA front_for USAID host_asserted ▶ 1:23:21

“People don't understand that just like we just saw with the Office of Public Safety in Uruguay, there's a CIA agent, not an asset, an agent, not somebody just being paid by the CIA, posing as an Offic…”

CIA front_for East-West Center host_asserted ▶ 1:25:42

“the soon-to-be Obama dad at the Hawaiian airport. You definitely have to talk about the East-West CIA front disguised as a school ran in Hawaii because that's where she meets Sotero, his stepdad. Occi…”

CIA recruited Stanley Ann Dunham host_asserted ▶ 1:26:13

“So every step of the way, his conception was arranged through a program that brought Kenyans over to America to recruit them as CIA operatives to go back to, and not just Kenya, multiple African count…”

Jimmy Carter removed_from_power CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:27:40

“Almost all of the Horn of Africa area was under CENTCOM's AOR, the Area of Responsibility. So there is a long history of our country and Kenya. It's not a coincidence also that when Jimmy Carter fired…”

Adnan Khashoggi founded Safari Club host_asserted ▶ 1:28:09

“covert operators in the Halloween Massacre, his first year in office, that the Safari Club was created by none other than Aiden Shikogi, the arms dealer that is a favorite of CIA covert arms trafficki…”

George H.W. Bush member_of Safari Club host_asserted ▶ 1:29:04

“re-election sabotage that happened. And in order for them to stay proficient, they did missions under the Safari Club. And that's where you will find George H.W. Bush hanging out as well. He was a mem…”

CIA front_for USAID host_asserted ▶ 1:29:58

“He was the first and I think the only one of that African airlift for education that was funded, like I said, by a CIA front to go to the University of Hawaii. So I don't think any of that is a coinci…”

CIA front_for Business Risk International host_asserted ▶ 1:31:16

“Yeah, I mean, that's something pretty important, yet nobody ever mentioned it. They all talk about how he was a community organizer in Chicago, and they just sort of gloss over that job where he's wor…”

CIA overthrew Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 1:34:45

“military when the CIA operation to overthrow Sukarno happened. He was part of a CIA operation to overthrow a government that the CIA orchestrated. So not only is Obama's dad suspect, having been groom…”

Nelson Rockefeller funded Brazil host_asserted ▶ 1:46:10

“oligarchs and the Yankees and the Cowboys with the Cowboys being the oil barons in the United States. Brazil has something that's very similar to that. You have these old families and these old famili…”