The Colonel’s Corner Domestic Operation Gladio featuring_ Minutemen

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0:00 Hello, everybody. This is going to be an interesting dive into the Minutemen organization. Thanks to Maker Sarge. And I can see that they're already working on our space. They've dumped me out three times and people are disappearing. So this may be a challenge.

0:31 I don't know what to make of that when they do that to our spaces, but whatever. I'm waiting on Bridget to show up so I can get a co-host in case they dump me out again so we don't lose the space. I'm going to, over on Rumble, have the video up so that you can go along.

0:58 with the source documentation that I have. And if you guys, I want this to be a joint project. So if you guys have any information or while we're presenting this, if you put it in the purple pill for us, we will go over anything that you guys have as well. So I want to start again by thanking

1:28 meager sarge let me get the video up and running over on rumble so we can start because this is going to be quite a project okay let's see go live over here okay it's starting in just a second okay so i

2:14 I have to keep my computer down here, which makes it a little more cumbersome, for me anyway, on Rumble, so I can actually type and move things around. Okay, so first of all, Maker Sarge sent me this book, Traders Beware. And it was a history that someone did as a college project on the history of Robert Dupu, Dupo.

2:46 however you say his last name, it's D-E-P-U-G-H, who created the Minutemen. And it was done, and he also sent me a Gladio shield, just so that you can see that, and a nice note. So I want to get this guy's name, Eric Beckmeyer. He did this as a college project. He goes on to become an attorney out in,

3:22 And he did a great job writing this book. And one of the things that I found most interesting is how he described the Minutemen project. Because that became kind of, and I'm sure, Maker Sarge, thanks to our research,

3:53 noticed the same thing when he read this book and again if you'd have read this book years ago without knowing about operation gladio you would have taken it as you know this is probably an isolated thing happening except if when you begin reading it with your gladio glasses on you immediately get tuned into um the whole reason that they talk about having

4:23 created the Minutemen organization is because they all believed that there was an imminent communist invasion that was going to occur. Now, why would they have thought that? Because that was the propaganda campaign that was being waged by the CIA and the media during this period of time. And it goes on to say that there were several organizations

4:53 that kind of converged into the Minutemen project. And I don't see my favorite John Birch supporter in the audience, Ron. And he would have loved, because the John Birch Society is intermixed in this story in a couple of different fascinating ways.

5:24 This gentleman that wrote this book also talks about the ideals that went on behind the scenes. Now, he describes Depew's growing up, and it says that Ralph, his dad, was a sheriff's deputy in Jackson County, Missouri, during his growing up period.

5:55 And that he was actually part of the Democrat political machine that basically controlled that area. And so that's the environment that he grew up in. And he attended the junior ROTC program. He was involved in the Wildlife Conservation Club, which I find fascinating.

6:24 And a member of the radio club being like basically a ham operator. And it goes on to say that he basically bought into the communist propaganda that the CIA wanted all of us to buy into, which we all did. It certainly wasn't just this guy. And the author actually sat down and interviewed Depew.

6:57 who has since passed away. And I find it fascinating, some of the information that he provided. But I want to get to one particular, and he goes on to say, oh, and he, Depew actually had a bio lab that was kind of his mainstay as far as

7:27 How he made his money. He actually became a very wealthy man after a fall. He had some problems with the company and then restarted it later and made a lot of money, like a lot of money. So this isn't your run of the mill kind of rabble rouser that lives in a shack. And when he describes the foundation of the Minutemen, it says that one of the other authors that wrote.

7:57 about the Minutemen. A guy by the name of Finch tells us that Depew first became interested in worldly affairs in the late 50s after succeeding in his pharmaceutical business. That's that biolab. And I don't mean biolab as in engineering bad things. It was just a biological lab. And he produced

8:25 pharmaceutical products primarily for pets, which again, I find very interesting because remember, when you go back to the Fabian Society and all of those people, they weren't doctors that talked about medical stuff. They were all veterinarians. So again, just another one of those coincidences. But it says Depew joined the John Birch Society and became interested in contributing

8:55 to right-wing causes. And again, the guy was brought up as a Democrat. DePue traveled the country and visited many leaders to make sure that he was making contributions to worthy causes. So again, he has a lot of money and he was targeting specific causes to fund.

9:22 And he had entree on into some of the biggest named organizations in the United States because he had money to give away. So he said that he was very disappointed in the conservative leadership that he met while he was on these trips. He was concerned that there was going to be a communist takeover and decided to form the Minutemen to defend the United States from the coming.

9:56 communist invasion. He adopted the symbol of a crosshair of a telescope site as the logo for the Minutemen. It says that the concept was originally thought about while he was on a duck hunting trip, and there's some controversy over whether that was the original creation of it, but that's the story we're going to go with here.

10:30 But another author, Jones, goes on to tell a second version of the formation, which Depew told him during an interview in 1966. According to that version, Depew and some of his friends became admirers of Fidel Castro, which again is really weird. Depew's interest in Castro supposedly resulted from an article written by the revolutionary himself.

10:59 And supposedly prior to Castro becoming a designated communist in which was necessary in order for the CIA to target him. So whichever version of that may be true. But one of the things that you notice, and it will be a reoccurring theme, is when Depew talked to people, he often told different stories.

11:28 That's also very interesting because that makes it sound like he's. It's funny that we're doing this book, Twilight of the Shadow Government, at the same time, because you see a lot of the parallels where they they change their story up. Not saying he's part of the CIA. I'm just saying that you see a lot of those parallels. So he created a thing.

11:57 called the Executive Council that supposedly was in charge of the Minutemen. But what you also, when you read a whole bunch of other articles about the Minutemen, realize that the council really didn't have any authority, that Depew basically was running the organization himself. One of the things, he began stockpiling weapons.

12:29 which again is kind of a reoccurring pattern with these domestic things in America. And they oftentimes took their weapons to different locations, one of which was in Indiana, and did like field training exercises to make sure that everybody knew how to shoot and that they were well organized and they would go over different types of tactics there.

12:59 Depew also was quoted as saying that in a speech that President Kennedy gave on the Roosevelt Day commemoration, he basically said in his speech, today we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom.

13:26 as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of America, cannot succeed with any lesser effort. And supposedly, that's what gave Depew the idea of naming the Minutemen Minutemen, was from that Kennedy speech. So, in addition,

14:00 Again, there was a couple of different variations of that as well. But the structure is what I want to talk about from this book, because you guys are going to recognize it immediately. So I'm going to quote from the book where it says that in the absence of the existence of a national council to govern the Minutemen, it seems certain that Robert DePue was their highest leader.

14:29 Depew did step down from his leadership position for a short period of time in 1967. An article in the New York Times read, Robert Bolivar Depew announced today that he was resigning as the national coordinator of a right-wing Minutemen. Henceforth, he indicated that he will operate in complete secrecy and completely underground.

14:59 However, he rejoined the Minutemen shortly thereafter because of what he described as internal problems within the organization. As he was absent from leadership less than five months, it can be assumed that he was the only important national leader of the Minutemen. Without a national council, DePue was at the top. According to another author, Hill,

15:26 Ten regional directors of the Minutemen operated below the national structure. However, this does not seem that these were the same ten men that were a part of the executive council, which DePue also claimed had ten members at one point. Mr. DePue says there was no chain of command either up or down, and the theory that it was in the nature of guerrilla units to operate independently in an interview.

15:55 DePue noted that there were state-level coordinators, but there was no military rank within the organization. Another author, Jones, also suggested that there were state-level leaders of the Minutemen. These state leaders may have operated in addition to the regional directors or in the position of state coordinators, and then some of which were promoted to regional directors.

16:24 However, the absence of an actual chain of command suggests that the regional and state coordinators were not directly responsible to Depew and may not have had authority to give orders. Depew indicated that there were unit leaders below the state coordinators. Now listen to this. Each unit leader commanded a band of five to 15 men. Depew also indicated that the national organization.

16:51 required only the name and address of the unit leaders. The unit leaders did not give their real name. They used code names. In effect, anyone below the state level was encouraged to remain anonymous for security reasons. DePue also indicated that the Minutemen were loosely organized into small bands and that the closest they came to being nationally organized was the state coordinators.

17:19 Also, the Minutemen used numbers instead of names for identification purposes. Each state had some one person who was the sort of leader for the state. According to Hill, the Minutemen were loosely organized into small cells and that the organization lacked structure above that. Two other authors that has written about this.

17:47 by the name of George and Wilcox, described a similar style of organization. They said there were small units which consisted between five and 20 members. These units were not to know about each other. In fact, only the state leader were to know the identities of the unit leaders. They were not supposed to be any record of individual members. And so basically,

18:16 When I read this, I'm like small cells and no one knows each other. That's exactly the way Paul Williams and Daniel Ganser describes the Gladio cells that were set up all over Europe. And the timing of this in the late 50s and 60s is basically at the height of Operation Gladio organizational wise in Europe.

18:46 There's a big dispute over how many people were actually in it, because, of course, there's no records of it, of who all of the cells were. And one of the people said the actual number of genuine active committed Minutemen was in the neighborhood of hundreds. But then some of the people counted them as tens of thousands of people.

19:14 just dispersed among neighborhood people. And they would, I mean, they knew how to get ahold of each other because they went to different locations and did drills. And again, this involved stockpiling of weapons. So you can immediately see how that piqued my interest. So Bridget,

19:44 did an amazing job of finding some different articles that had to do with this. And so I want to share some of these articles with you. One of which, the first one that we're going to share, is Bringing Guns to an Idea Fight, The Career of Robert DePue. This one talks about...

20:12 And actually, the name of his thing is BioLabs. And there's a picture here of him that I'm showing over on Rumble. Let me make sure that that's actually working. Yep. Okay. So, all right. It says, imagine for a moment the Cold War has gone a different way. Imagine in 62, a Soviet amphibious expeditionary force had invaded the United States from Cuba, conquering parts of America.

20:42 in the way that they had conquered Eastern Europe in 1945. That actually isn't how they did it, but whatever. Imagine that the Soviet army had turned back by American guerrilla fighters working with the conventional American military. In the wake of this hypothetical scenario, schools were named after Robert Depew. Actors recited his speeches like they recite those of John Brown and William Quatrelle. In other words, very different from now.

21:10 how history ended up going. Robert Depew is, at best, a historical footnote and was a man who spent a great deal of time either in prison or running from the law. Depew created a guerrilla militia in the U.S. during the early 60s to fight in the event of a communist invasion takeover called the Minutemen.

21:30 The group trained in military tactics, stockpiled arms and ammunition since the Soviet never invaded. However, all of their aggressive energy was diverted into arms and threatening criticism of liberal politicians. This got the attention of law enforcement and things went badly for Depew afterwards. He was born on April 15th, 1923 in Independence, Missouri. He was an old stock American. His family

21:57 was originally from central Ohio, while his mother was a mix of Tidewater Virginians, as well as Pennsylvania Dutch. They all ended up in Missouri, and his father was active in politics, as we mentioned, part of the Tom Pendergast political machine in Kansas City. The biggest accomplishment of this

22:28 pendergast machine was launching Harry Truman on the path to presidency, so it was not a little thing. There is no doubt that growing up in this environment gave Depew a cynical look at the political process. When the Second World War broke out, he joined the U.S. Army, serving in the Coastal Artillery Corps in Virginia. He worked on radar jamming equipment and rose to the rank of private first class, then was discharged supposedly because he had a nervous breakdown. There's some

22:57 differing opinions of that. Depew's mental state was probably not as bad as some of those claim. During World War II, the U.S. military could call upon unlimited manpower resources, and many people simply aren't cut to live under the soldier's discipline. As a result, it's easy to discharge people under the quote-unquote mental hell than it was for anything else. Depew was not mentally ill, although he was a little odd. After the war, he went into business, found

23:28 founding a company called BioLabs that sold pharmaceutical products. By the late 50s, he became increasingly concerned by communist gains in the Cold War. From a vantage point of 2022, it's easy to sneer at the concerns of Americans in the 1950s regarding communism, but at the time, they were not unfounded. Many of President Franklin Roosevelt's staffers had had sympathies with communism, and some...

23:59 almost always Jewish, were even Soviet spies. And the siren song of communism lured many people across the globe, rallying Central American Roman Catholic priests, decolonist leaders in Africa and Asia, aristocrats in England, and liberals in America to their banner. And then it talks about the Red Army had destroyed the Third Reich and enslaved Eastern Europe. They didn't enslave them. They were basically given those countries as part of the

24:30 World War II ending. Then you had Mao's revolution in China and North Korea, which the Chinese supported because they were actually invaded. And in 1958, Depew enjoyed meeting with other concerned citizens in a coffee shop in Independence, Missouri, and basically tells the story of the duck hunting. And then it says,

24:56 His military records were destroyed in the 1973 fire of the St. Louis archives. Either his grandfather or great grandfather had probably adopted the name Depew from Pew, P-U-G-H. I don't even know why that's relevant. And then it tells about him getting the name from the JFK speech. It says, today we need a nation of Minutemen, blah, blah, blah.

25:24 Depew began to advertise for recruits to fill the ranks of his new anti-communist militia. His first public event, a training session, was held in October 1961 in Shiloh, Illinois. This town was a semi-rural suburb of St. Louis. The event received considerable media attention. Within roughly the first 11 months of their existence, the Kennedy administration grew extremely concerned about the Minutemen, as well as other right-wing anti-communist activists.

25:53 The cause of this concern went back to the 60 election with Kennedy and Richard Nixon. The two men were quite similar. The only real difference between them was Kennedy was a Roman Catholic from Massachusetts, while Nixon was a Quaker from California. They were both anti-communists, both U.S. Navy veterans who served in the Pacific during the war, and neither had revolutionary ideas about changing the U.S. economy. Their foreign policy goals were virtually what was different.

26:26 however, was their base of supporters. Kennedy's base was an asylum of leftists, anti-anti-communist Jewish people, the civil rights activists to whom he was indebted. All of these groups were terrified of a self-organizing group of armed white men of mostly old stock American ancestry. Thus, a rightist anti-communist from Missouri

26:52 was inspired by President Kennedy and acted upon his words. And that was not a good look for Kennedy administration as far as they were concerned. As time went on, Minutemen literature became increasingly hostile to liberal politicians. One article in their magazine, and he did publish not only a magazine, but he sent out newsletters all the time too. He was very, very active. He actually had a printing press in his business to do this.

27:22 After a time, the Minutemen lost their focus to Pew made mistakes of bringing weapons to an idea fight. The group stated goal was to be a militia prepared to repel a Soviet invasion using guerrilla tactics. Their training and stockpile of weapons was part of this. The Minutemen publications were focused on influenced domestic politics. As a result, their weapons, which they displayed publicly, seemed a menace. Due to this fear,

27:50 Kennedy asked for help in dealing with them and got it from the Reuther Memorandum, which was dated December 19, 1961. The memorandum was written by two union organizers, Walter and Victor Reuther. It was no different from Nixon's later enemies list. Its suggestion was to use the IRS and other government agencies to reduce the impact.

28:17 of several far-right groups in the 60s. In keeping with the Reuther memorandum strategy, Kennedy ordered the Justice Department to politicalize law enforcement agency to go after Depew and the Minutemen. Initially, they didn't find anything, but they continued to look. Minutemen was never a large organization, and it didn't receive donations to make Depew or anyone else wealthy. Its membership was variously estimated.

28:46 at between 10,000, but some people put it as low as 500. Depew was always the organizational leader, with the exception of those five months. He had an executive council, which seems to have numbered. The group was organized into small units of 15 men each. There was no real chain of command. Each unit was free to operate as it saw fit, and the idea was to imitate the actions of guerrilla groups by operating in a decentralized manner.

29:17 Besides being anti-communist, the Minutemen were also civic nationalists. Jewish and sub-Saharan were free to join, and Depew claimed to have such members, despite the fact that outside observers claimed they only ever saw white people participating. Depew was alleged to have stated that the crusade for sub-Saharan civil rights was a plot to help the Soviets. In a broad sense, it was...

29:46 In fact, true. Stirring up ethnic and racial problems in a rivalry does help strategically, although the Soviets certainly didn't need to do much to cause a racial situation in the U.S. to be poisonous at that time. It says one of the big historical ifs of the time is what would have happened if JFK had not been slain in Dallas by Lee Harvey Oswald. Not.

30:17 and Antifa gunmen acting alone. I don't know who wrote this garbage. For a time, the death of Kennedy supercharged the American left. Kennedy's vice president, LBJ, won the 1964 election in a landslide, and Democrats likewise won big down-ballot races. With this mandate, LBJ led the U.S. into the disaster of civil rights and liberal technocratic

30:48 adventure in South Vietnam while cities burned in, I don't know why they're calling them sub-Saharan riots, the Johnson administration continued to look for ways to destroy the Minutemen. In 1965, DePue had his first run-in with the law as a result of two women. The story is difficult to untangle. One of the ladies was a teenage runaway who was living in an apartment without paying rent. Her mother claimed that she was being held captive by the Minutemen.

31:18 The other woman lived with the first. They were eventually moved to another property owned by Depew, and there were some shuffling around until they were finally evicted and then arrested by the police for vagrancy. The women were interviewed by the FBI, after which the feds got a warrant to search the Minuteman's office. Now, you can see how this would have been a ploy for them to get this warrant, given what we know today.

31:47 They found an illegal, fully automatic weapon and dynamite. While under indictment, DePue was arrested for crossing state lines between Iowa and Missouri with a concealed .38 pistol. In 1967, DePue and other Minutemen skipped bail and went underground. They eventually settled in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. He was finally arrested for evading capture for 17 months. DePue had made several mistakes that led to his downfall.

32:14 His organization never vetted its members, so all sorts of drifters and misfits were part of the organization. And in this organization, we eventually find Guy Bannister, the guy that was involved in JFK's assassination and was investigated by Garrison down in New Orleans. And Bannister, just for you guys who may not know, is the guy that owned the building.

32:43 that Lee Harvey Oswald was occupying the second floor and they found all of the literature in that office. And there are ties to the Minutemen with that literature. So it's very, very weird. After the Minutemen project ended, DePue was involved in another legal incident in Iowa many years later.

33:10 In 1991, a film developer tipped off the police that Depew was taking pictures of underage women at various stages of undress. It turned out that he was convincing single mothers to let their young daughters model for them. The photographs led to a larger investigation, which uncovered another cache of illegal weapons and explosives. Depew was never convicted for the photos, but he served 30 months because of the weapons.

33:39 Other Minutemen cells got swept up in law enforcement as well. One group tried to rob a bank in Washington state, while another was involved in a shootout with police in Connecticut. And then it goes on to talk about the publications that he produced. One was called On Target, another one called Fight Club. So you can see that this is very nefarious. Every bit of it is nefarious.

34:13 So let me go to another one. Hold on just a second. This is a CIA declassified document. And this is what the document looks like. It's from Ramparts. And we ran across lots of very interesting articles from Ramparts. This is the one I think that's very interesting. It says, Robert.

34:48 Depew apparently possesses some special staying power as a man obsessed, in his case, with the omnipresence of communism and socialism. He's a national coordinator and founding father of the Minutemen, paramilitary organization of the ultra-right. But over the past three years, the title seems to have become more tiddler than real. Not that the Minutemen are withering away.

35:18 If anything, they have become stronger. But an internal power struggle, the opposition consisting of those who consider him too tame, eventually has robbed Depew of much of his authority. I met with Depew in 1966 while researching an article, let's see, on the Minutemen, and this is Ramparts. We had conversed in a cluttered office of BioLabs, Inc. His family ran.

35:48 veterinarian medicine firm located in Norburn, a dot on the rich and rolling farm table of the Northwest Missouri. Depew, a ruggedly handsome man in his mid-40s with intent dark eyes and receding black hair, was calm and businesslike as he talked about the Minutemen and their manifesto.

36:09 He observed that the country had, for practical purposes, gone communist during Franklin Roosevelt's second term and that only revolutionary, not political, means could reclaim it. Now, three years later, he looked much like he had before, although he changed circumstances, showed how much water had passed under the bridge. This time, I interviewed Depew in a holding cell in the U.S. Marshal's office of Kansas City, where he had been brought from Leavenworth Penitentiary.

36:38 to stand trial for having jumped bail. This is when he ran off to New Mexico. The charge stemmed from having gone underground for a year and a half, during which time he roamed the western U.S. disguised as an improbable hippie and sent off the underground news bulletins to media. I was in Kansas City having been subpoenaed as a defense witness in the case. Also in the cell were his two attorneys, one of which was legal aid. DePue had claimed indigenous defendant status.

37:08 and the other a volunteer with a professional interest in legal issues. For his wild rhetoric, Depew rarely had been known to lose his cool, and he hadn't lost it now. He outlined for me the technical defense that he and his attorneys were considering for the trial due to get underway the next morning. Very simply, he said he had skipped Bell because he feared for his life. There were indications, he explained, that an opposing element of a radical right

37:37 had marked him for death and that there was no point going to the FBI for protection because the FBI was in cahoots with this very element. It was clear that Depew was alluding to the Minuteman splinter group that he had earlier described as a Nazi clique. Depew had first brought up the existence of this clique when I telephoned him in October 67, a call which had prompted the

38:05 by his public statement, when fascism comes to the U.S., it will come in the guise of anti-communism. And I got to tell you, that's fascinating that this man said that. This is one of the things that just like I was like jaw dropped because that's exactly what in the world was going on at that very moment. They were.

38:33 taking and setting up all over the globe, fascist dictatorships under the guise of anti-communism. That blew my mind because that's Operation Gladio. I was like, holy shit. The full statement seemed not only to confirm the Pew's known antipathy. Oh, Bridget said the sound is cutting out really bad.

39:09 I wish they'd quit fucking with our spaces. This is so aggravating to me. I'm not starting it over. I'm just not. Sorry. This is crazy. I don't know. Bridget, do you think if I drop, if I go out and come back in, that it will be better? Yeah, you could do that because that will reset. So if you back out and come right back in, it should help.

40:03 You can also hear better, Stella, if you're a speaker. Yeah, that's why when I saw people posting things down in the Purple Pill, that's why I was like, no, just request a mic. I'll bring you up. We're just going to let her speak that way you guys can hear. But unfortunately, everything's all updated on my phone. I even restarted. I got kicked out. So hopefully this will work. Yeah. Go ahead, Jer. No, I was going to say I couldn't hear anything either. I kept coming in and out thinking it was me checking my update on my app.

40:35 Closed out my app, came back in. Then I could hear every other word, but it was still cutting out until I got on speaker. So they do this to my spaces almost every day. Now, it has been a while since they did it. They've been working fairly well for probably the last two weeks. But that's the whole reason why we went to putting them on Rumble as well. So people literally are on X to talk and Rumble to watch.

41:03 That's how ridiculous this is. And again, I have been in a million other spaces and I don't see this happening to anybody else. I don't even know how to explain it. I, too, have done all of the updates. I check every time before we start. It's just it's crazy. It's ridiculous. All right. So going on, it says that.

41:35 The full statement seemed not only to confirm Depew's known antithony towards the American Nazi Party of George Lincoln Rockwell, but to bolster suspicions of a deep rift between Depew and factions of his own organization. On the urging of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, I made a call and posed the possibility that renegade Minutemen had been involved in the Kennedy assassination.

42:01 DePue readily agreed, saying that he had some evidence that might explain unanswered questions about the events in Daly Square in Dallas. It was only a few months after this exploratory contact on the topic of the assassination that the chief Minutemen had gone underground, which is really weird. Pacing back and forth in the cell, DePue said that Garrison had also been subpoenaed.

42:28 but had balked at appearing on the grounds of a recent back operation. DePue explained Garrison's role in this case. When I talked with Jim on the phone in October 67, he told me about the mysterious death of a number of figures in his investigation. Among those whose death had been listed by Garrison were three men who by DePue's admission were members of the Minutemen.

42:56 It was hoped that I could testify to the brief telephone conversation discussion on the assassination in 1967, as well as enumerate the strange deaths. In addition, DePue was a bit paranoid on the subject of FBI harassment and surveillance and was convinced that the agents had burglarized records in his Richmond, Missouri facility.

43:20 Could I attest on the basis of my own experience that such tactics were in fact regularly employed by the Bureau? During the discussions, one of the attorneys was summoned outside to answer a phone call. I ran into an FBI agent in the corridor he mentioned later. So they're actually outside of the cell where they're meeting, wanting to know what's going on.

43:47 If Depew's fears about the FBI were slightly overwrought, his concern about Minutemen spinoff actions was not. One bit of extraneous matter which had been dredged up by Garrison's probe was the existence of a paramilitary cell in New Orleans whose leader, a retired Army officer, claimed to be a national commander of the Minutemen. And in Los Angeles, in Orange County, California, there was a click.

44:18 that privately calls itself Real Minutemen. Some of Depew's former members are literally Nazis, having gone over to the American Nazi Party. Wasn't the American Nazi Party a gross burlesque, I asked him? Not at all, he replied, naming a prominent Texas oil millionaire as the chief financer of that operation. It was the best underground.

44:47 in the right wing. That's crazy. This schism between Nazis and the Minutemen is based at least in part on ideological differences. To Depew and his loyalists, the primary enemy is Washington, the seat of power of an increasingly large central bureaucracy. And Depew once stated on the radio,

45:16 Hold on. Where's the rest of that? They chopped off the rest of that. It goes on to another article from the St. Louis Dispatch, which basically said some Minutemen may have been tricked into joining a competing organization that was secretly financed by the CIA. The statement is in a special bulletin being circulated.

45:49 by the militia members. I know that some of you to whom this bulletin is being mailed have been sold a bunch of lies as to what amateurs the Minutemen were and you have been invited in great secrecy to join real professional undergrounds. So basically what he is describing is he set up one organization that basically got infiltrated and the CIA funded

46:18 another organization to look like that one that they were then going to implicate the actual Minutemen for crimes that the CIA Minutemen organization was actually doing. That just, to me, blew my mind. It goes on to say, and of course it was shortly after that, and he may have found out about it.

46:47 It says that him and his lieutenant, Walter Payson, have eluded the FBI for eight months at the time this was written. They are fugitives from Seattle, Washington, on federal conspiracy charges. Depew's Bulletin does not name the alleged rival right-wing organization, but it contends that the other group is being financed by the CIA to draw members and prospective members away from the Minutemen.

47:16 Enemies of the Minutemen have spread rumors of poor security, corruption and selfish interest in the national organization. Our present circumstances sacrifice prove one thing that basically and it's true. He made no money off of this operation at all. Depew says in the communication that no one has revealed the location of our underground headquarters and no one has turned me in.

47:44 Not only do I carry on the active correspondence with hundreds of people, but I have traveled far and wide in recent months. Further referring to security measures, DePue asked in a bulletin, where was I yesterday? Where will I be tomorrow? Who is the secretary who will type this bulletin from my longhand notes? Where is the photographic laboratory where the negatives will be developed and the printer plates made? Where is the printing plant where this bulletin was?

48:12 And other literature is being printed. Who are the couriers that will pick up and carry them to regional headquarters? Who are the area coordinators who will remail the bulletins? DePue says in the bulletin that for many months now, the FBI has made a frantic effort to learn the answers to these questions. Why have not they have not answered one of them? The importance of this should be impressed.

48:37 On every member, the rumors of poor security in the national organization simply are not true. DePue says that the rumors of poor security came from disgruntled ex-members who were kicked out of the organization because they didn't meet standards. The competing and supposedly right-wing organization that is secretly financed by the CIA also has been responsible for spreading those rumors in an effort to break us up.

49:04 The bulletin was sent to our current active members so that they can avoid being influenced by these rumors. It is also being sent to many ex-members and those who are no longer active. To those of you who have dropped out of the Minutemen because of these rumors, I'm now asking you to review the facts in your own mind and see if you haven't been misled. You are still needed in the fight.

49:30 DePue wrote that a few weeks before distribution of the bulletin, we sent out 20,000 Trader Beware cards to some of our members to be remailed to Reds, meaning people they think are communists, in their local areas. And then he goes on to say that there was a big deal with the cards and them being controversial and all that other stuff.

49:58 Depew says in the bulletin, all of the Minutemen need to do small things like mailing the cards, even if they are technical violations of law in order to build up their own self-confidence, blah, blah, blah. All right. Basically, he doesn't want to give the government a win. That's kind of the bottom line to all of that. Now, let me go to the next one. This is an article.

50:28 by William Turner. And I'm not going to read the whole thing, but basically, let's see. I think that's a repeat of that other one. Hold on. Let me go to this article. This one's a very interesting one too. It talks about the makeup. Let me just read the first paragraph.

51:06 It says Robert Depew, 72, came to prominence in the early 60s as founder of the Minutemen, a secretive extreme right wing group that perceived an impending communist takeover of the U.S. and organized violent counteraction to prevent the alleged takeover. Organized into secret cells of five to 15 people, the Minutemen stockpiled weapons, trained each other to defend the country against what they deemed subversives. It scattered incidents throughout U.S. during the 60s, armed.

51:35 Minutemen clash with law enforcement and private citizens. And it goes on to say that they had summer camps, they were in metropolitan areas, and it says huge supplies of weapons and explosives, including rifles, pipe bombs, mortars, machine guns, grenade launchers, and bazookas were uncovered. Because of faulty search warrants, however, the charges against the Minutemen were dropped in 1971.

52:04 In addition, the Minutemen used threats against perceived enemies. In one instance, in a monthly publication, they listed the names of 20 congressmen who had criticized the then active House Committee on Un-American Activities, warning, traitors beware, even now the crosshairs are on your back of your necks. In February 68, Depew went underground, blah, blah, blah. We already talked about that.

52:31 Depew's incarceration signaled the end of the Minutemen as a significant presence. Following his release from prison in 73, Depew attempted to revive his stature in the hate movement, first by affiliating himself with the Liberty Lobby. Now, we've done some quite a bit of research early on into the Liberty Lobby, and the Liberty Lobby was part of the anti-communist CIA funded.

53:01 fascist movement. So I found that fascinating. It was labeled the leading anti-Semitic propaganda organization in the country at the time. He also collaborated with the Klansman, Robert Shelton, in a project called the Committee of 10 Million. And in June of 92, John Grady, leader of the American Pistol and Rifle Association, which eventually becomes the

53:31 NRA, or I'm sorry, it was a right wing version of the NRA, appealed to selected patriots to initiate a letter writing campaign to overturn Depew's conviction. According to press accounts, he was convicted on two counts of weapon possessions by a felon. And then, of course, we've got the sexual exploitation of a minor on there as well. Now.

54:00 One last thing that Bridget found is this FOIA. And it basically says that some of the Minutemen had tried to rob two banks. Now, bank robberies is something that I ran across in doing research that these organizations

54:30 had done some of the, I don't even know how to describe it, some of these cells with the military training they got, got a little frisky and started to go out and do things like this. So that is not uncommon. And it didn't just happen here. It happened in Spain. It happened in France. This was a known thing. And I'm not saying this guy's Gladio, but I am saying his organization looks exactly like Gladio.

55:01 It's crazy. The really strange part of it is, I don't know if he got crosswise with someone and they're trying to take him out and he originally was Gladio. I don't know. But it looks just like it. And then it goes on to say they were trying to obtain funds for the Minutemen, a secret paramilitary anti-communist group based in Norborne, Missouri.

55:30 Robbery plan is being presented for approval to Wally Payson, the assistant to Robert DePue, the national coordinator of Minutemen. They are presently out on bond pending appeal. And basically, we know they ran. So there's a lot of documents in this FOIA about the whole organization.

55:59 There's a lot and there's a lot of redactions in it as well. So most of this information is for you from the I'm going to put this in the purple pill for you guys to be able to look at later on your own. But if this entire thing is crazy.

56:27 I don't know if any of you guys had the opportunity to do any research on your own. Frank, what do you got? Well, thank you for the mic. I want to address the message. So, ma'am, this is nothing. This is no. Don't take this personal. OK, I've listened to you probably half dozen times and I've heard you read a lot of source material.

56:57 But generally, a lot of this source material is dated, number one. It is erroneous, number two, and is highly suspect because most of these publishing houses that you're reading from, a lot of this material you're reading from comes from like the 60s, 70s, 80s. It's all CIA funded. So with that said, a lot of the material and individuals that you're discussing, I have firsthand knowledge of a lot of these people because I grew up either with them.

57:25 or got to meet them later on in life so the penchant for i know a lot about gladio as well you seem to be very very well versed on this and so i don't really have a problem with your overall presentation on gladio because it's pretty complicated it's a web you know of deceit and intelligence operations and so on and so forth but when you talk about domestic issues

57:51 like groups like the Minutemen, like Robert DePue. I knew his number one adjutant. I'll just give his first name, Robert. He's still alive. Mike Brown, who actually ended up with Rockwell later on down the road after DePue went to prison and came out, so on and so forth. So just be very careful on how you put some of these pieces together because whenever an American...

58:17 counter-revolution is created, it may or may not, in every case, be funded by government assets. But that doesn't mean that if the reaction of the American people kind of focalizes in a quasi-revolutionary kind of ideation, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're the bad guys. It may mean, and in many cases does mean, and significantly, just remember this, ma'am, that the Minutemen were...

58:47 Pretty much comprised of 60 to 70% ex-military. World War II, Korea, and then later on, Vietnam veterans, right? Because the Minutemen lasted well into the 80s, although you didn't hear much about them. But in terms of this overall intelligence operation, absolutely, this is replete with government assets. And there's groups, there's agent provocateurs, both what I would consider pro-American,

59:17 and those people who are working actively against the American interests, whether it's inside the military, outside in the civilian sector, intelligence assets. Got to remember, I believe that you read some material a couple of weeks ago, kind of going back pre-World War II. Gladio was an operational fixture in the military establishment even prior to World War II. But when the OSS was created, and I...

59:45 I just happen to personally note, most of them are dead now, but there's a couple of guys that are still left who are operational in OSS, and they actually got placed in CIA from about 48, 50 and on. And Willis Carto and some of these names that you're dropping, I knew Willis. So there are some interesting, you know, asides. As you present some of this written material, I don't trust this stuff for nothing.

1:00:14 So I try to go for you've not said anything that I technically disagree with, other than the fact that Gladio itself did not operate. But prior to World War Two, the tactic did. But Gladio did not. That was something that was created. And as you probably well know, that was just the cell.

1:00:39 That was in Italy. That's their name. And only because Italy did the only deep dive into the exposure of this stay behind network, which is what it was called. And yes, the stay behind network goes back to at least the Boer Wars. And we've traced all of that. That was a well-known tactic. That's where Jedberg gets their names, all of that stuff. We've covered all of that.

1:01:02 So, yes, it was used in World War Two on both sides, both by the Brits, the United States and Hitler's forces. So what I do and I hope that everybody understands this, this material that you sound as if you were trying to criticize the fact that this material.

1:01:27 is all going back to the 50s, 60s, and 70s. That's where you find history. You cannot talk about any of these operations that are still with us today without going back and exploring the history. And the reason why I do these book reviews every day for, I don't know, probably 20 or 30 books now that we've done is to educate people for them to form their own opinion.

1:01:55 I'm not forming people's opinion. I'm finding material and presenting it for people to form their own opinions. I can tell you what my opinion is, but I want people to have the resources and get a variety of resources. I talked about the book written on the Phoenix program by Doug Valentine. I doubt that there's very little Doug Valentine and I agree on on anything other.

1:02:23 than historical facts. And most of these, all of the books that I talk about have as source documents, declassified CIA as the underpinning of them. I check every single note before I ever decide to use a book in the book reviews. I too have talked to at least a handful of the authors of these books.

1:02:48 The material is to present all the different sides and let people form their own opinion. So I'm not. I just want to make it clear that I'm not attacking you. I'm just offering, you know, a little nuance to the message of some of these authors, because I've written about this myself and I've known some of these men firsthand. And I doubt very seriously.

1:03:17 that some of these authors, I'm not saying that this particular book that you're reviewing right now is one of those. I just know how those guys were 20, 30 years ago. They didn't really give any of our people, the real Americans, their just due. It's just something I wanted to bring up. Well, I think the book that I was reading out of originally during this session, Eric Beckmeyer, he's not a...

1:03:46 political analyst. He was a college student that wrote a paper that he turned into a book. And he met multiple times with Robert Depew. And he is quoting other people's interviews with Robert Depew. None of that is hearsay. It was all quotes from Robert Depew himself. And what I find interesting is in that,

1:04:16 perspective is in each chapter, if Robert Depew had made like the whole origination of the name or the concept, he told different stories and he did a good job of going to all of the sources that told a different story and presented it for the reader to be able to choose whichever one they think is correct.

1:04:43 But he did come up with different stories and he did tell authors that in interviews and all of this guy's interviews were taped. He just decided after he graduated, he eventually goes to law school to take the paper and trans it self-published. It's not like it went through a publisher. He just wanted everybody to be aware of what the background of that organization is.

1:05:12 And quite frankly, I was shocked at the similarities of how his organization was set up and how it mirrors the Gladio cells, using that as a generic title, of the ones that were funded by the CIA. I don't think that the, I think the attack on him.

1:05:40 adds the legitimacy that this was an organic effort. And the fact that there was another one out in California set up with a very similar name, which the CIA is notorious for doing, and it operated in a very nefarious way, giving bad names to this organization, lends legitimacy that Depew was actually true of heart.

1:06:07 and bought into the narrative that the communist any minute was coming over the horizon, because that's the exact same in the wording of things that he used. It is very indicative of that time period of the expert propaganda that was being put out by the CIA. There was a lot of people that thought that.

1:06:32 I mean, crap. When I was in elementary school, I went through the desk drill of getting under my desk. We were being programmed to believe that because the anti-communist mantra was then used by our government to go overthrow other governments and assassinate heads of state. It was a programming. There's been a lot of declassified documents that verify that.

1:07:01 The whole missile gap thing was a lie. That's been declassified. So there's no way that you can argue the fact that our government propagandized us and they're still doing it today. So it appears to me that this guy is a legitimate patriot that bought into the fact that the communists were coming any day.

1:07:31 And that he was a patriot. And I'm just shocked when I read the descriptions of how his organization was set up and his comment about how they were going to implement fascism under the guise of anti-communism in America. And that's exactly what happened in every way.

1:07:58 And as soon as the communists went away in 1990, 91, they just used terrorism in its place. I mean, it's still going on today. We are being manipulated by worldwide intelligence agencies to believe things that are not true. And I find it quite fascinating. If I can just say one last thing, ma'am, and I'll just I'll just I'll just be quiet and let let this thing go.

1:08:30 um willis carto was not a fascist uh that's why i don't like terms these old school terms it's it's used to brush tarn feather a lot of really good patriots got to remember the liberty lobbying was funded in part by officers of the oss then the cia but these guys were old school who were very pro-american they weren't you know what was created years and years and years later

1:08:55 So I was just trying to add a little nuance to your discussion, and I appreciate the mic. Sure, no problem. And to your point, in every one of these organizations, there are, and I mean, I use myself as an example, there are people that have no clue what's going on in the overall, like the people that joined the World Anti-Communist League.

1:09:25 There were a lot of normal people that joined the World Anti-Communist League because who's not against communism? Everybody's an anti-communist. We don't want to live in a communist country. They use that and they name them these things specifically for that purpose. It's the perfect cover to implement fascism.

1:09:55 And I think you have to recognize the choice of their words. I have been very clear about language. Language is psychological warfare. And you have to be very careful about the language that you do use. But their overall goal is an international, fascist, one-world government.

1:10:24 And there's no other way to describe it in our current terminology, because most people use the word communism that they think that this one world government is a communist concept. It is not. The word fascism embraces oligarchs, just like Mussolini's Italy. There were large.

1:10:53 corporations, large, very rich elite oligarchs that all operated under the fascist totalitarian government of Mussolini. The same thing in Spain under Franco. The same thing in Portugal. They are not at all interested in communism where the government owns everything and manages everything because then there's no role for them. They want very much.

1:11:23 to have the oligarchs and a government that the oligarchs control. And that, at the heart of it, is fascism. Jeremiah, I see you here. Bridget, did you have anything that you wanted to add with your research? Well, actually, no. I came to the same, pretty much same conclusion you did. And again, it's like,

1:12:04 many of the other organizations that we found that were started, we'll say, by the average Joe, by a normal person who wanted to do the right thing, who wanted to organize a bunch of people to do the right thing. And it seemed as though, it appeared to me, based on the actions that were taken, that almost like they wanted...

1:12:36 to hijack it and turn it into an Antifa. There were so many different, what's the word? It was just very obscure. Even the charges around him were very obscure. This whole giant bank robbery was very, I mean, off the wall, you know? But to your point, we did find, like in Europe,

1:13:11 Where if you're going to train a whole bunch of people that have no accountability at all, they're anonymous. They're in these cells. You are training them to be paramilitary. You are training them to, in theory, rise up against the communists. We know, in fact, throughout Europe, they were used for domestic violence. At no time does this.

1:13:40 organization, the Minutemen, commit terrorist attacks. So that in and of itself separates them from an actual Gladio organization. However, having said that, what you find when you train people how to use weapons, explosives, you're taking a risk. The risk is that some elements of that organization, because they're anonymous,

1:14:09 and they're not known, they will go out and use those skills that you've taught them. And not that you necessarily are responsible. That's not what I'm trying to get at at all. Because as Frank pointed out, a lot of these people were prior military. But there's a sense of emboldening, emboldenment that you give to someone who has this camaraderie with this organization, even though it's...

1:14:39 a underground secret kind of an organization, if you will. And I don't mean that nefariously. It empowers them to go out and do things because some people are bad. Some people are going to do stupid shit. And that does not mean, and that was true in Europe. When they did bank robberies in Europe, there was no indication that the bank robberies

1:15:08 were part of the Gladio operations. It was some Gladio cell members doing it because they now had training on the use of weapons and tactics on getting in and out of situations that would lend itself to nefarious things. That should not, although it does, indict the leadership of the organization.

1:15:37 who may have had the genuine concern of defending their country. You can't paint the entire organization with that brush, and I'm not trying to. But you have to understand as a leader in that type of an organization that there is a risk because you have no authority over those people.

1:16:03 it's not like you're in the military. It's not like you can court-martial somebody or hold them accountable, throw them in jail for doing shit like that under the guise of your organization. And so there is a risk when you do that that they're going to tarnish the organization that you worked so hard to set up by doing dumb shit like that. Agreed. Agreed. And that's, I guess that's what I was trying to say. It's just like, it seemed like they tried to

1:16:33 possibly, I don't know, tarnish it, take him out of it when they couldn't control it, which we've seen them do in the past. Well, look at the Cuban exos. Look at all that. They don't often create. Some of these organizations start up organically, and then they attempt to infiltrate and guide them to their nefarious plan when they can't.

1:17:03 they overthrow, jail, or murder the leader. Correct. And the tarnish on this seems to be something like that. And again, it goes back to pattern recognition. This just fits a lot of the patterns that we've seen. And that's the reason why I thought it was fascinating to look into it, because this is an example of if you were not...

1:17:34 giving due diligence, you could have read the first paragraph of that one chapter in the fact that they had secret cells, they're the same size, the organization's the same way, they only had the leader. And the very first thing, the first conclusion that you would jump to is, oh my God, that's a Gladio cell. When in fact, once you start looking at it and you put it in its entire perspective, you realize, no.

1:18:04 Because as you move up and you start looking at it overall, the fact that they set up a very similarly named organization and according to Depew, it was funded by the CIA and those people started doing nefarious things, calling themselves Minutemen because they had a very similar title. You can see immediately.

1:18:28 That, to me, now that we know Gladio, that adds legitimacy to Depew's organization because they're trying to defame it. And that's why I wanted this audience to have this information so you don't take just your first broad brush opinion of something and run with it.

1:18:54 Sometimes that's going to prove no matter how much it looks like. And again, I'm just fascinated that absent him having deployed over and been embedded in a Gladio thing, that he set up something that looks so much like that. And it may be, to Frank's point, that the people that had been involved in setting up, because a lot of military people were involved in setting up Gladio.

1:19:23 under NATO in Europe. There may have been some of the elements in his clique at the top that had experience and basically kind of guided him along those lines, which again is not nefarious in any way because it proved effective. They just used him for nefarious reasons over there after they were all set up.

1:19:52 They were not ever used as anti-communist. They were used for domestic terrorist events. And that was the most striking thing to me is that at no time did Depew use his organization for domestic terrorism, which that was the deciding factor on my conclusion. I don't know about everybody else. My conclusion that this is not part of Operation Gladio because that's the biggest distinction right there for me. Deller?

1:20:27 It's all very, very interesting because it is gladio-icious, but not quite. And even though like these operations or whatever were from the past, there are things that are happening today presently where it's the same pattern. So when you start seeing that, and even though we know that, all right, you know, I can't even comprehend that somebody would do any of the things that they've done over there.

1:20:55 I do feel that a lot of stuff is happening here today. So I just want to put my two cents in. Well, I mean, as we've documented, there were domestic terror events that happened here. And the people that set up Gladio in the various countries in Europe led a similar operation here. So we definitely know that.

1:21:23 That correlation exists. The patterns exist. And there has been domestic terror events that happened on American soil as a result of that. So, Mager Sarge, map on guerrilla warfare explains the use of a cellular structure for the three legs, part-time fighters, support auxiliaries, and underground cells. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

1:21:58 Maker Sarge for the win. Jeremiah, go ahead. Hey, sorry about that. I don't want to bring what we're researching to your space, but I do want to ask you, so what do you know about General Vallelay? Have you looked into his past and his kind of behind the scenes? What do I know about what? General Vallelay? General Paul Vallelay? Oh, yeah.

1:22:31 Yes, I know that there is a lot of conversation about him. I don't want to talk off the cuff about that. I do have I won't be able to find it in a timely manner for this conversation. I did when I first saw his name. I.

1:23:02 did some research on him. And I will dig that up. Cause that, that's a very fair question. And I probably need to talk about it. So if you will give me a couple of days, I will, I don't know if I can find it. I know that part of his background is in psychological warfare.

1:23:36 and that he was in Vietnam, that's the part that I know for a fact. So I'll have to go back and check. I want to make sure that I've got the dates of when he was in Vietnam so I know exactly what part he was playing there.

1:24:01 Give me a couple of days and I'll get back to you on that one. Absolutely. Is that fair? Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. Because like I said, I'm just now diving into a lot of this stuff myself. But Gladio has came up in my research, not just in Vietnam, but also in Panama and so on. So, yeah, I would appreciate it. Thank you, man.

1:24:24 Probably in that same conversation, we should have a conversation about General McInerney, too. He was actually at the Pentagon when I was there. And I have a couple of stories about him. Yeah, I wasn't going to lead that one, but it goes directly. They served at the same time in Vietnam. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So we'll talk about that. I appreciate it. Thank you much. Sure. Sunseeker, go ahead.

1:25:04 Sun Seeker? Or Sunshine, sorry. Has it been that long since I've talked, Colonel? It has been. It has been. Anyhow, it's funny that you say that. You know the Sun Seeker in Punta Gorda? I'm actually going there this weekend, which is kind of funny that you did say that. But off topic. When you have that space that Jeremiah was talking about, are you going to...

1:25:32 let us know ahead of time because I definitely want to be there and hear it. Sure. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. So many tangled webs, you know, just so many. Yeah. It's just very interesting to me, especially the psychological operational aspect of so much of this. And of course, when you,

1:26:08 You begin researching that angle and you realize the way in which the CIA used people like Bernays. It gets very nefarious very fast. And unfortunately, you come back to kind of the biggest gut punch of all of this for me, which Frank alluded to, is the role of some of our most senior military officers in not good things.

1:26:38 And at some point, especially at the general officer rank, you know, one of the most amazing things as far as exposure goes was when we were doing the deep dive into Nugent Hand Bank and the BCCI, you found senior general officers that were put in charge of a quote unquote bank co-located with major military presence in both.

1:27:08 in the United States and in foreign countries, these are general officers that they're not financial. They have never had other than running, you know, being a commander, which is not anything like running a bank, by the way. They were put in charge of these banks that were money laundering. And there's no there's no sugarcoating that.

1:27:33 Everybody that was anybody. And one of them was actually like the number three guy at Nugent Hand, a four star retired general. And they were weapons trafficking and money laundering drug money for the CIA at that bank. That's been proven unequivocally. And as I've told you guys many times, that to me was the biggest gut punch in doing all of this research.

1:28:01 You like to believe that the military at their core would be doing things that were in the best interest of the United States. And there's no way that no matter what the circumstances are, not fighting communism, not anything, that you can facilitate money laundering in a drug operation.

1:28:29 that is killing American citizens, and you know that the drugs are being ran into the United States as well as Europe, and say with any authority at all that you thought what you were doing was fine and in the best interest of national security. You just can't do that. And that's a hard pill to swallow. Now, when you go down the totem pole, as I have said many times, the special ops,

1:28:59 trigger pullers, they go off of intel. Unfortunately, a lot of their intel comes from the CIA of who the good guys and bad guys are. And we now know that the CIA lies at will about who the good guys and bad guys are. The bad guys are always the people they want to take out. That does not necessarily mean they're actually bad guys. They're just bad for whatever the CIA wants to do. And we've shown

1:29:29 that the CIA often does not have America's best interests at heart. They have interest elsewhere. I'll just put it that way. Because I'm firmly convinced that they're just the iteration of the old private intelligence that operated on behalf of oligarchs and not on behalf of our country.

1:29:56 Because you can't go back to post-World War II and understand that we went immediately into the Korean War, followed immediately by Vietnam. And we had one military engagement after another consecutively with people deployed all over the world in harm's way since World War II.

1:30:23 It has been a nonstop destabilization with the use of our military based on intelligence that we now know in most cases was not true. And that they staged false flags in order to bring the military when it escalates to a point outside of their ability to achieve whatever objectives that they have set up.

1:30:54 um it's a crazy um uh downhill spiral once that starts um so anyway all right anybody else got anything let me get back over here to rumble and let's see bergie 62 thank you very much looking forward to watching in full tomorrow um i will be

1:31:28 on the Alpha Warrior show, we will be doing part two of the Institute of Peace. For those of you, it's been two weeks. We missed last week. We started that series the week before that. And we will finish that up. As a matter of fact, during this show, Alpha just texted me and said, hey, what are we talking about tomorrow? We are going to do the next, the last iteration of the Institute of Peace.

1:31:58 That really is better named the Institute of War, not peace, because they had nothing to do with peace at all. And we will finish that up and move on to whatever our next topic is going to be. Thank you for joining us, Ron. You were late. So anyway, I will be back tomorrow at four and we will continue our book from Kevin Shipp, the CIA agent that.

1:32:32 The CIA tried to kill. And we will finish the rest of the chapter on James Angleton, which no one could believe he was still around, even Kevin Shipp. And go from there. How are you doing tonight, Ron? I'm doing great. I just got done recording with Mike King about we're on our we're doing a six part series on.

1:33:00 World War II, we started off with the events that started around the turn of the century and how everything led up into World War II. Next week, we're going to finish it. Sorry, I would have been here earlier, but I was just doing my show. Yeah, that's awesome. You know, I learned something tonight, and I never knew.

1:33:28 I always thought Bretton Woods was in the late 40s. I had no freaking idea that Bretton Woods was in 1944, not even a month after D-Day. That shocked me. I was always under the impression that it was post-war. Don't tell Warhamster that. He'll be so disappointed in you. I know. It'll just be our secret. Okay.

1:33:59 But that really did surprise me. That was one of the big takeaways I got from today. I was like, wow. So anyway. It definitely puts things in perspective, right? Yeah. Because all wars are banker wars. Yeah. Yeah.

1:34:16 But Bretton Woods was where they did the IMF and the World Bank and the dollar being the reserve currency of the world. And then the UN thing was done still while World War II was being fought. I was like, man, I didn't know. I thought all this stuff was post-war. I didn't realize that. Well, I mean, I knew that the foundations were laid, but I didn't actually know that they were being implemented during the war. Yeah, well.

1:34:46 And many people and books that I've read say that the setting up of those instruments was the whole purpose of World War II. I agree. So it is very interesting because they were then used to orchestrate the chaos and control of the overthrow of all of the countries post-World War II.

1:35:16 Because the economic warfare that was administered as a result of all of the instruments that they set up as a result of Bretton Woods was what allowed them to be able to control countries and to cut them off from any ability to get money from outside of their country, which basically put them under the thumb of.

1:35:45 the administers. And then you go back and you look at who they put in charge of the IMF and the World Bank in the immediate aftermath or their initial appointments, all part of, you know, and then the use of the Marshall Fund to skim money off of, to set up Gladio along with Rockefeller, according to Paul Williams.

1:36:13 It's just fascinating to see how all of that and the whole thing of gold and the control of it. Right. Yeah. And keep in mind, keep in mind, this is all relevant. You have the Black Eagle Fund of gold from Europe and you have Golden Lily from the Pacific Theater.

1:36:40 And that's massive, massive amounts of gold, all generated thanks to World War II.

1:37:12 covered or done any deep diving into bernard baruch um not per se he's come up in um just about everything that i talk about in um that time frame i mean i've talked about him often i've not done just him

1:37:31 Well, because, I mean, if you look, he was the guy who was primarily responsible for making Woodrow Wilson got elected president, which was ultimately led to the Federal Reserve, the 16th Amendment, the 17th Amendment. He was in charge of the War Industries Board, both in World War I and World War II. He had basically an open-door policy to all the presidents all the way up through Eisenhower.

1:37:57 Uh, he was, uh, and he was golfing and hunting buddies with Eisenhower and George C. Marshall, which obviously was what led to all the crap that was going on over there. So he, he was, he played a significant role in a lot of that. And his partners, Nelson, Aldridge, um, Heim, Rockefeller, Peabody, um, all of which played a major role, um, during that timeframe. So yeah, he.

1:38:26 And what the whole kind of motto that Warhamster and I on our Secret Society show has illustrated, it's the names you don't know that are really the controllers. Agreed. Go back to Sutton's book.

1:38:49 Where was his office? He is one of the central players in Antony Sutton's books because his office was at 120 Broadway. What a shocker. Yeah. So he was instrumental in all of the machinations of the Bolshevik Revolution, the funding of FDR's campaign and of.

1:39:17 the backdoor deals that many American companies had with the Hitler regime before World War II started. He was all part and parcel of that whole thing.

1:39:28 You know, and I don't want to disagree with Mike. I never want to disagree with him on air. I don't like disagreeing with guests. Too bad, you know, because he actually is of the opinion. I asked him this question the other day. I said, where are you on, you know, how Anthony Sutton.

1:39:48 I talked about FDR and Stalin and the Bolshevik Revolution and Hitler because of the three books. And he says, oh, he's right on the money with the Bolshevik Revolution and FDR, but he's completely misguided on Hitler. And I just thought.

1:40:04 I thought – I'm just like, well, that can't – how can you be that myopic? And to me, it's just like I think that's – it's almost like a hero worship at that point. And I don't want to say – I'm serious. I don't want to speak negatively of Mike because I think he does some great research. But I think he does get a little bit myopic in his thinking in that. And when I studied a lot of the stuff with – I tend to think that Hitler wasn't necessarily the evil character that he was or as evil as he was.

1:40:33 he was, but I definitely don't think that he was a saint. And the reason that I think that he wasn't nearly as evil as he was is because they have to continuously push out propaganda every year about how evil he was. And why is that? The more they push me in one direction, the more resistant I am in going in that direction. Hold on a second. Hitler, both things can be true. He can be evil.

1:41:01 And he can also be used by evil people to achieve evil things because that that can be the same thing. If you talk about Barack Obama being a product of the CIA machine, you you can say that he's evil and that he was used by an evil machine. Both things can be true.

1:41:28 There was no good qualities, as far as I'm concerned, of Hitler. But Hitler was part of a machine. So, again, if you're going to go out and recruit somebody to do something as evil as what was done during World War II, you need a charismatic leader that is going to be able to bring people along.

1:41:59 Under whatever nationalism guise or whatever there is. But that is completely also controlled by the forces behind them. I'm reading a book and it's in the other room. I don't have the title of it. I'm still checking sources on it. So I don't want to go too much into this book. But this book is.

1:42:22 It's mind blowing because it goes behind the scenes and has a whole bunch of declassified State Department cables between the guy that was sent over to, I think his last name was Pell, P-E-L-L, sent over to England to do the war crimes thing. Now, the entire time he was sent over there, there's two people, the lead attorney at the State Department and a guy in the Department of Justice.

1:42:51 that have already decided how the war crime trials are going to go. And they basically undermined this man and had decided that Hitler and the Nazis were not going to be tried for anything that he did in Germany to his own citizens, nor in any occupied territory that the Germans operated in.

1:43:20 That was his legal opinion. He had had that legal opinion for like 15 years. And he had written all of these different articles and blah, blah, blah. This guy that was a senior State Department guy. And so they very much crafted everything. And this book goes into the deals that were made with American companies and all of the financial people like of IG Farben.

1:43:49 A whole bunch of others, Deutsche Bank and all of this other stuff. None of those people were going to be held accountable either. And all of that was predetermined. And again, I'm still checking the sources as to I want to find independent. I mean, he has pictures of a lot of the declassified documents in this book, but it's mind blowing to me.

1:44:14 to see, I'd never seen these. I mean, again, I'm a hundred books into this and I had never seen these particular documents and how pre-coordinated the Nuremberg trials were of who was going to be held accountable and who wasn't and for what, because they had already decided well before the war was over that we were going to partner with Nazis and use them in the aftermath of World War II. They had already decided this.

1:44:43 Well, we were funding them. The American corporations were intimately involved in the funding of the German war machine. So you have to understand, now that we've got confirmation that Hitler survived World War II, you have to understand what that says. Now, they can find Grandma.

1:45:12 With cancer. Back in 1960s, we already know the technology at Pine Gap, which was set up in 1962. Hitler supposedly and all of these Nazis lived all over South America and we couldn't find one of them. We didn't find any of them.

1:45:34 Well, the only one that they found was Adolf Eichmann, and I question why. It's like, what did he do or what did he say that was so egregious? Yeah, but I'm just saying, was he found or was he— Or was he offered up? Right. So, again, if you stand back and look at the 30,000-foot look,

1:46:01 The United States intelligence community knew exactly where Hitler was. They knew. Oh, I believe it. So they had already decided. And there were several double double crosses that we did to the Soviets and allowed Hitler to do to the Soviets leading up to the end of World War Two that gave Stalin the the impression that.

1:46:29 They were already formulating their next war, i.e. the Cold War, before World War II was even over. Yeah, I believe that. This book is just amazing. That's no different than how we were setting up the radical Islam to be the next boogeyman when the Soviet Union was going to collapse back in the 70s. So, I mean, it's the same playbook. Correct. Patterns, patterns, patterns.

1:46:59 Pattern. Yeah. But interesting. So let me ask you this. And I'm not putting you on the spot. There's no right or wrong answer. And I say this as somebody who absolutely loves my country, but is also a student of history. Do you think the United States was the good guy during World War II? Well, I mean, we as citizens.

1:47:28 We're the good guys. Are you asking me if my government was? Right. I'm telling you, I just told you what the State Department was doing. No, no. OK. All right. So point taken. Yeah. We're on the same page. The State Department was trying to find every legal way to not hold Hitler accountable for the assassination of his own people. Yeah, we're on the same page.

1:47:54 I feel I feel this. And you know what? And I'll say this. It pains me to say that it really does. It pains me to say that. So but, you know, the facts are the facts. So anyway, I you obviously didn't have I didn't come in here. This this space is not about World War Two. So I apologize for hijacking it. So anyway, what do you got? What are you guys talking about? We were talking about the Minutemen.

1:48:24 And how they were set up in America to look exactly like Gladio. And at first brush, you would think that they were Gladio. But there were some strong indications, like the fact that they never committed domestic terrorism like other Gladio cells in America did. That lends the opinion that the original Minutemen set up by Robert DePue was not.

1:48:53 A Gladio cell, although they actually had the exact same infrastructure set up throughout the United States. They had the small cells. They did training. They had caches of weapons. It would. But they bought into the hype of the communists were coming across the Gulf of Mexico into the United States from Cuba any day.

1:49:21 did what they felt was their patriotic duty and formed these, this organization. And Guy Bannister from New Orleans was one of their members, as were some other people that were assassinated in the lead up to the Jim Garrison trial. Some of those people were Minutemen members. So it just has some really fascinating.

1:49:51 and kind of put that out there because something looks like a Gladio program doesn't necessarily mean it is. Gotcha. Okay. Well, I apologize that I missed out on a lot of the good stuff. You're coming out real bad, Ron. Can you hear me better? I turned off. How about now? Better? I can't even hear you. Bridget, can you hear him? Yes, ma'am, I can. Can you hear me?

1:50:23 I can hear you fine. Oh, weird. Is this better? Yes. Okay. Not sure what happened. I apologize. It sounds like I missed a lot of really good stuff that you guys were talking about from my tardiness. Oh, no problem. There's always a recording. I listen to a lot of your stuff. Okay. Well.

1:50:55 um obviously we have lots of overlap so um yeah right back at you all right guys thanks for being here i'm going to wrap this up um and go to bed um so i can um be um nona again in the morning with my grandbaby um and um i appreciate all of you guys spending your evening with us and um

1:51:20 Looking at that new information that Bridget did such a great job in accumulating for us. And I can't thank Bridget enough behind the scenes. This woman is amazing and does a lot of work, a lot of work as it relates to this. So it's what I signed up for. Yeah. OK.

1:51:48 Thanks again for joining us, everybody. Take care. See you tomorrow. Bye.

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Claims made here

Eric Beckmeyer founded Traders Beware host_asserted ▶ 2:14

“I have to keep my computer down here, which makes it a little more cumbersome, for me anyway, on Rumble, so I can actually type and move things around. Okay, so first of all, Maker Sarge sent me this …”

Robert Depew member_of John Birch Society book_quoted ▶ 8:25

“pharmaceutical products primarily for pets, which again, I find very interesting because remember, when you go back to the Fabian Society and all of those people, they weren't doctors that talked abou…”

Robert Depew removed_from_power Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 14:29

“Depew did step down from his leadership position for a short period of time in 1967. An article in the New York Times read, Robert Bolivar Depew announced today that he was resigning as the national c…”

Robert Depew founded Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 21:10

“how history ended up going. Robert Depew is, at best, a historical footnote and was a man who spent a great deal of time either in prison or running from the law. Depew created a guerrilla militia in …”

Ralph Depew member_of Pendergast Machine book_quoted ▶ 21:57

“was originally from central Ohio, while his mother was a mix of Tidewater Virginians, as well as Pennsylvania Dutch. They all ended up in Missouri, and his father was active in politics, as we mention…”

Tom Pendergast installed Harry S. Truman book_quoted ▶ 22:28

“pendergast machine was launching Harry Truman on the path to presidency, so it was not a little thing. There is no doubt that growing up in this environment gave Depew a cynical look at the political …”

Robert Depew member_of U.S. Army book_quoted ▶ 22:28

Robert Depew founded BioLabs book_quoted ▶ 23:28

“founding a company called BioLabs that sold pharmaceutical products. By the late 50s, he became increasingly concerned by communist gains in the Cold War. From a vantage point of 2022, it's easy to sn…”

Robert Depew founded Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 25:24

“Depew began to advertise for recruits to fill the ranks of his new anti-communist militia. His first public event, a training session, was held in October 1961 in Shiloh, Illinois. This town was a sem…”

John F. Kennedy ordered_assassination_of Robert Depew book_quoted ▶ 28:17

“of several far-right groups in the 60s. In keeping with the Reuther memorandum strategy, Kennedy ordered the Justice Department to politicalize law enforcement agency to go after Depew and the Minutem…”

Robert Depew member_of Executive Council book_quoted ▶ 28:46

“at between 10,000, but some people put it as low as 500. Depew was always the organizational leader, with the exception of those five months. He had an executive council, which seems to have numbered.…”

FBI spied_on Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 31:18

“The other woman lived with the first. They were eventually moved to another property owned by Depew, and there were some shuffling around until they were finally evicted and then arrested by the polic…”

Guy Banister member_of Minutemen host_asserted ▶ 32:14

“His organization never vetted its members, so all sorts of drifters and misfits were part of the organization. And in this organization, we eventually find Guy Bannister, the guy that was involved in …”

Robert Depew spied_on Guy Banister host_asserted ▶ 32:14

Minutemen carried_out_attack Seattle, Washington documented ▶ 33:39

“Other Minutemen cells got swept up in law enforcement as well. One group tried to rob a bank in Washington state, while another was involved in a shootout with police in Connecticut. And then it goes …”

Robert Depew member_of Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 34:48

“Depew apparently possesses some special staying power as a man obsessed, in his case, with the omnipresence of communism and socialism. He's a national coordinator and founding father of the Minutemen…”

Robert Depew founded Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 34:48

Robert Depew founded BioLabs book_quoted ▶ 35:18

“If anything, they have become stronger. But an internal power struggle, the opposition consisting of those who consider him too tame, eventually has robbed Depew of much of his authority. I met with D…”

Robert Depew attempted_assassination_of Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 41:35

“The full statement seemed not only to confirm Depew's known antithony towards the American Nazi Party of George Lincoln Rockwell, but to bolster suspicions of a deep rift between Depew and factions of…”

George Lincoln Rockwell headed Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 41:35

Minutemen carried_out_attack Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 41:35

Robert Depew spied_on FBI book_quoted ▶ 42:56

“It was hoped that I could testify to the brief telephone conversation discussion on the assassination in 1967, as well as enumerate the strange deaths. In addition, DePue was a bit paranoid on the sub…”

Robert Depew spied_on FBI book_quoted ▶ 43:20

“Could I attest on the basis of my own experience that such tactics were in fact regularly employed by the Bureau? During the discussions, one of the attorneys was summoned outside to answer a phone ca…”

Minutemen funded Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 44:18

“that privately calls itself Real Minutemen. Some of Depew's former members are literally Nazis, having gone over to the American Nazi Party. Wasn't the American Nazi Party a gross burlesque, I asked h…”

Robert Depew member_of Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 44:18

Robert Depew spied_on FBI book_quoted ▶ 48:12

“And other literature is being printed. Who are the couriers that will pick up and carry them to regional headquarters? Who are the area coordinators who will remail the bulletins? DePue says in the bu…”

Robert Depew member_of Minutemen book_quoted ▶ 51:06

“It says Robert Depew, 72, came to prominence in the early 60s as founder of the Minutemen, a secretive extreme right wing group that perceived an impending communist takeover of the U.S. and organized…”

Minutemen carried_out_attack House Un-American Activities Committee book_quoted ▶ 52:04

“In addition, the Minutemen used threats against perceived enemies. In one instance, in a monthly publication, they listed the names of 20 congressmen who had criticized the then active House Committee…”

Robert Depew member_of Liberty Lobby book_quoted ▶ 52:31

“Depew's incarceration signaled the end of the Minutemen as a significant presence. Following his release from prison in 73, Depew attempted to revive his stature in the hate movement, first by affilia…”

John Grady headed American Pistol and Rifle Association book_quoted ▶ 53:01

“fascist movement. So I found that fascinating. It was labeled the leading anti-Semitic propaganda organization in the country at the time. He also collaborated with the Klansman, Robert Shelton, in a …”

Robert Shelton member_of Committee of One Million book_quoted ▶ 53:01

Robert Depew member_of Committee of One Million book_quoted ▶ 53:01

Walter Payson member_of Minutemen documented ▶ 55:30

“Robbery plan is being presented for approval to Wally Payson, the assistant to Robert DePue, the national coordinator of Minutemen. They are presently out on bond pending appeal. And basically, we kno…”

CIA funded Operation Gladio documented ▶ 1:05:12

“And quite frankly, I was shocked at the similarities of how his organization was set up and how it mirrors the Gladio cells, using that as a generic title, of the ones that were funded by the CIA. I d…”

CIA funded Liberty Lobby guest_asserted ▶ 1:08:30

“um willis carto was not a fascist uh that's why i don't like terms these old school terms it's it's used to brush tarn feather a lot of really good patriots got to remember the liberty lobbying was fu…”

Benito Mussolini headed Italy documented ▶ 1:10:24

“And there's no other way to describe it in our current terminology, because most people use the word communism that they think that this one world government is a communist concept. It is not. The wor…”

Francisco Franco headed Spain documented ▶ 1:10:53

“corporations, large, very rich elite oligarchs that all operated under the fascist totalitarian government of Mussolini. The same thing in Spain under Franco. The same thing in Portugal. They are not …”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack France documented ▶ 1:13:11

“Where if you're going to train a whole bunch of people that have no accountability at all, they're anonymous. They're in these cells. You are training them to be paramilitary. You are training them to…”

CIA funded Minutemen guest_asserted ▶ 1:18:04

“Because as you move up and you start looking at it overall, the fact that they set up a very similarly named organization and according to Depew, it was funded by the CIA and those people started doin…”

Paul Vallely member_of South Vietnam guest_asserted ▶ 1:23:02

“did some research on him. And I will dig that up. Cause that, that's a very fair question. And I probably need to talk about it. So if you will give me a couple of days, I will, I don't know if I can …”

General McInerney member_of South Vietnam guest_asserted ▶ 1:24:24

“Probably in that same conversation, we should have a conversation about General McInerney, too. He was actually at the Pentagon when I was there. And I have a couple of stories about him. Yeah, I wasn…”

CIA trafficked Nugan Hand Bank documented ▶ 1:27:33

“Everybody that was anybody. And one of them was actually like the number three guy at Nugent Hand, a four star retired general. And they were weapons trafficking and money laundering drug money for th…”

Nugan Hand Bank laundered_money_for CIA documented ▶ 1:27:33

John D. Rockefeller funded Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 1:35:45

“the administers. And then you go back and you look at who they put in charge of the IMF and the World Bank in the immediate aftermath or their initial appointments, all part of, you know, and then the…”

Marshall Plan funded Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 1:35:45

Bernard Baruch headed War Industries Board documented ▶ 1:37:31

“Well, because, I mean, if you look, he was the guy who was primarily responsible for making Woodrow Wilson got elected president, which was ultimately led to the Federal Reserve, the 16th Amendment, t…”

Bernard Baruch funded Bolshevik Revolution book_quoted ▶ 1:38:49

“Where was his office? He is one of the central players in Antony Sutton's books because his office was at 120 Broadway. What a shocker. Yeah. So he was instrumental in all of the machinations of the B…”

U.S. State Department covered_up Nuremberg trials book_quoted ▶ 1:42:51

“that have already decided how the war crime trials are going to go. And they basically undermined this man and had decided that Hitler and the Nazis were not going to be tried for anything that he did…”

IG Farben funded Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 1:43:20

“That was his legal opinion. He had had that legal opinion for like 15 years. And he had written all of these different articles and blah, blah, blah. This guy that was a senior State Department guy. A…”

Deutsche Bank funded Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 1:43:49

“A whole bunch of others, Deutsche Bank and all of this other stuff. None of those people were going to be held accountable either. And all of that was predetermined. And again, I'm still checking the …”

United States recruited Nazi Party book_quoted ▶ 1:44:14

“to see, I'd never seen these. I mean, again, I'm a hundred books into this and I had never seen these particular documents and how pre-coordinated the Nuremberg trials were of who was going to be held…”

United States funded Nazi Party host_asserted ▶ 1:44:43

“Well, we were funding them. The American corporations were intimately involved in the funding of the German war machine. So you have to understand, now that we've got confirmation that Hitler survived…”

U.S. Intelligence Community covered_up Adolf Hitler host_asserted ▶ 1:46:01

“The United States intelligence community knew exactly where Hitler was. They knew. Oh, I believe it. So they had already decided. And there were several double double crosses that we did to the Soviet…”

United States targeted_for_regime_change Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 1:46:29

“They were already formulating their next war, i.e. the Cold War, before World War II was even over. Yeah, I believe that. This book is just amazing. That's no different than how we were setting up the…”

U.S. State Department covered_up Adolf Hitler host_asserted ▶ 1:47:28

“We're the good guys. Are you asking me if my government was? Right. I'm telling you, I just told you what the State Department was doing. No, no. OK. All right. So point taken. Yeah. We're on the same…”

Robert Depew founded Minutemen host_asserted ▶ 1:48:24

“And how they were set up in America to look exactly like Gladio. And at first brush, you would think that they were Gladio. But there were some strong indications, like the fact that they never commit…”

Guy Banister member_of Minutemen host_asserted ▶ 1:49:21

“did what they felt was their patriotic duty and formed these, this organization. And Guy Bannister from New Orleans was one of their members, as were some other people that were assassinated in the le…”