The Colonel’s Corner- Book Club_ President’s Secret War Chap 2

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0:00 So it didn't do me any good to update the app. It still just kicked me back out. Oh, geez. All right. One of these days, it's going to quit fighting us as much. Well, because we're not going to give up. So they might as well stop. Right. But it is kind of a badge of honor in a sort of a way. It definitely is. We've earned a couple of those recently, I think. All right.

0:33 So we are going to continue along with our President's Secret War by John Prados. And we will talk about some of the craziness that happened earlier today after the show. And hopefully Ron will make it in. And if Warhamster can hang out with us the entire time.

1:01 He sent me in a text message a very interesting question about the 18th Amendment. And I would love to hear Warhamster's take on the question, which we will share with you in the comments area, that had to do with whether it was to assist the

1:31 increased presence of the mafia because it definitely ended up being a boon to them. And I'll share my thoughts with you at the end. And hopefully by then he's joined us. It's a very interesting question. He is here and so is Ron. Okay. Yeah. So I want to wait though and get our chapter out of the way. And then we will talk about that in the last hour because it is a very intriguing question.

2:00 And when you start looking at some of the people involved, I came across it when I was doing the first deep dive into the background of Operation Gladio and where the mafia element came from. And so I'll just share with you some of the insights that I dug up on that because they kind of go along with Ron's question. So thanks for the question, Ron. And we will talk about that in the second hour. OK, so we're going to get down to the.

2:27 This is Chapter 2, The Secret War Against Russia. Are you going live on Rumble as well? Yes, I am live already. Okay, thank you. Sure. I'm like, wait a minute. Time to stress me out here. I thought I'd already turned that on. All right. So Stalin had mobilized Russia for World War II. And basically he did that by.

2:57 invoking a group identity or what we would refer to as nationalism in the basically calling Russia the motherland and stuff like that. It is also known inside of Russia as the great patriot inside of the Soviet Union at the time, the great patriotic war.

3:25 That was kind of like a psychological operation to get people motivated to serve on behalf of the Soviet Union. And because it was very important at the time, the amount of different entities that was inside the, as far as ethnicities inside of the Soviet Union.

3:51 they needed something to kind of gravitate around because you had Muslim, you had Eastern Orthodox, you also had Uzbekistan, you had Asians, and they all were collectively inside of the Soviet Union. Stalin himself was actually from Georgia, and I didn't know that until I'd read this book.

4:17 He was basically from the Caucasus region and basically played into the whole nationalist mantra. The nationalities question, as it was often called inside of the Soviet Union, was kind of a rallying cry because of the collective cultures all melding together.

4:48 Unlike other countries whose people mixed internally to a country, these guys all lived in geographically defined areas and very seldom ever mixed. And we ran across that when we talked about the difference between the North and South in Vietnam.

5:12 where people had lived family wise for a thousand years in the same village. There was no, even within that single country, there was no cross utilization of like treating the whole country as like your playground. They just basically stayed in the area that they were from, which is kind of interesting living our life the way we do. And even,

5:42 The last couple of hundred years in America where everybody was pushing west or coming into the south or, you know, creating the state of Texas, no one seemed to be wanting to stay around anywhere. And of course, everybody came here from another country anyway. And so we just have a completely different mentality. And I just find some of these aspects of culture very interesting as it relates to.

6:11 our whole study of history. And so it says this is a matter of both race and culture because the Tsars had all of the serfs bound to particular plots of land. And resettlement required very specific permission from the Tsar and the leadership and then later, obviously, the Communist Party.

6:39 because everything was planned, and so there wasn't a lot of mobility. And it was counted that during the period of the Soviet Union, there was 130 Russian ethnic minorities inside of the Soviet Union. The problem grew along with Stalin's military success in World War II, with Russian troops in garrisons across Eastern Europe.

7:08 Stalin had no difficulty in making certain changes to the European borders of Russia. Parts of Poland were annexed to the Ukraine and to White Russia. Parts of Finland were taken over. In some areas, Baltic republics annexed to White Russia. The province of Moldova was detached from Romania and it, together with three former

7:36 Independent nations Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia became Soviet socialist republics. In the case of the new socialist republics, Stalin claimed he was merely restoring pre-war conditions. Soviet forces had occupied Moldova and the Baltic republics briefly from 1940 to 1941 as a result of a deal that he had worked out with Hitler.

8:06 The measures taken then by the Soviet government had included mass deportations to Siberia of any war criminals. When Russians' army returned four years later, they confirmed these minorities' worst fear by resorting to the same behavior, where now, of course, because there had been Germans there in the meantime, there was what the Russians felt or the Soviet Union felt.

8:36 a lot more war criminals. There were other minorities that had been resisting right along, to include the Cossacks and the Ukrainians. Now, keep in mind, because this is going to come back to our World Anti-Communist League, remember who made up the World Anti-Communist League from the Eastern European countries that were guilty of war crimes, to include mass murder, wiping out entire villages, getting people alive, the Cossacks and the Ukrainians.

9:05 So you see how this whole thing wraps around. Many from these minorities fought with the whites, called the white Russians, against the communists during the Russian Civil War. Ukrainian forces also arrayed themselves with the Poles during the Russian-Polish War in 1920. Ukrainians again fought the Russians, this time as German auxiliaries.

9:34 in the Great Patriotic War. While the war as a whole might have ended in 1945, the Ukrainian guerrilla armies, i.e. Operation Gladio, continued to fight the Russians. The Ukrainian discovered that the American counterintelligence in the army near Passau in 1947 and were part, they basically joined them.

10:01 Among ethnic Russians, there were also plenty of people resisting Stalin. Activists founded the National Labor Alliance, it was called NTS for what the words stand for in Russian, in Belgrade in 1930. Both the NTS and the Tsarist groups carried out espionage missions inside the Soviet Union before the war. Some Tsarist former white Russians also fought alongside the Germans.

10:29 Another wave of immigration began when the Soviet victory in 1945. Soviet deserters, defectors, former POWs evading repatriation, and forced laborers becoming displaced persons filled the ranks of the Russian immigrant groups outside of the Soviet Union. Stalin's diplomats went to great lengths to get the West to send them back to Russia.

10:59 So especially the white Russians that had participated in the Civil War and were anti-Soviet. So they basically had formed units with the Germans under a guy by the name of General Andrei Vlasov, a Soviet military hero taken prisoner in the war. Vlasov.

11:31 himself was handed back by the Americans and executed by Stalin's secret police in Moscow in 1946. Up to 90% of the Soviet returnees disappeared into a gulag. Beyond Soviet borders, there were satellite states like Eastern Europe. These people, too, could not be expected to accept Soviet domination willingly. In a military sense, the Eastern European states were considered captive nations.

12:00 They organized resistance there right away. The captive nations, disaffected minorities, and groups of disillusioned social democrats and communists were fertile recruiting grounds for the CIA and Western intelligence. The first unit at CIA intended for covert operations was called the Special Procedures Group, which was formed in 1947. This unit was upgraded following President Truman's 10-2 directive,

12:30 of the National Security Council, and it became the Office of Special Projects. As if that name did not sound innocuous enough, it was soon changed again to the Office of Policy Coordination, OPC. This unit was the action group that all covert operations were going to be planned out of. Although Harry Truman approved of the formation of the Office of Policy Coordination,

13:00 In the heat of the Cold War, government records showed that it was originally intended that the Office of Policy Coordination maintain its capabilities for only extraordinary times. In the 10-2 panel, which is the managing oversight group created by the 10-2 directive, on August 12, 1948, a representative of the National Security Council

13:28 made clear that the OPC should be controlled by the State Department during peacetime and by the Pentagon during war. In turn, George Kennan, who of course was the State Department, specified that his department be given detailed information about the objectives and methods to be employed in all operations. But such decisions were inherent in the Cold War situation.

13:55 Blockade of Berlin began only days after the formal approval of the NSC 10-2. State Department officials were also impressed with the results of the CIA's impromptu intervention in the Italian 1948, which was basically one of their first Operation Gladio events. So it was determined to use political action to forestall the possibility of

14:21 the wrong person being elected in Italy. So their very first operation of interfering with an election for the CIA was 1948. Covert action also received a tremendous boost from the man selected by the Secretary of State to head the Office of Policy Coordination, which is our infamous Frank Wisner.

14:45 At the time, he was 39 years old. He was from Mississippi. He had been serving as a deputy assistant secretary of state for, quote unquote, occupied areas. And basically, a University of Virginia Law School graduate. He was a Wall Street lawyer, like many of the other people in the CIA. He worked at a firm called Carter, Lanyard, and Milburn.

15:13 had also been commissioned as a Navy intelligence officer during the war, where he was then transferred to OSS. During his OSS time, he spent time in Africa, Turkey, Romania, France, and Germany. Wisner had determined to build an organization that had a can-do attitude that would mirror his time in the OSS.

15:42 The Office of Policy Coordination, OPC, was basically an espionage staff that fell under the CIA's Office of Special Operations. And it had been divided into regional divisions like the Eastern European Division would handle the areas of the denied areas of the Soviet bloc.

16:10 The functional staff for political actions and for psychological operations was housed there as well. Beginning in 1948, Wisner had obtained a budget of $4.7 million in 1948. That's a crap ton of money. Wisner had been warned not to poach any other people from outside his area.

16:39 Wisners had a friend by the name of Stuart Osop, who was a journalist, and he began using him right away for basically what we would later on call Operation Mockingbird. So one of Wisners' favorite OPC programs was secret propaganda. Frank used to call it his Wurlitzer.

17:09 and he basically referred to it as playing the jukebox. Wisner's Wurlitzer included a shortwave radio transmitter that he had gotten from the Army, a fleet of balloons, and the use of leaflets and other handouts that he could take up in the balloons and release over areas that he wanted to psychologically run ops on.

17:40 To conceal these operations, he had to create visible public groups to which the information activities could be attributed because everything they do has to be non-attribution. This was the contemplated use of, from the very beginning, it was anticipated that this was going to be used and that Alan Dulles would

18:10 play an intricate part in that. And he had been in contact with Wisner since 1948 as a result of working on a report for President Truman that basically ended up being used as the foundation to create the CIA. So George Kennan is credited with making a proposal within the state to create the State Department to create basically the same thing.

18:41 For those of you who don't know, when Frank Wisner worked at the State Department, he basically ran the group that basically was taken out of the State Department and put in the CIA. So he ends up being the continuity between the two in the pre-CIA running covert operations for the State Department, which is later transferred over to the CIA.

19:13 Secretary of State Dean Atkinson also discussed the topic informally in the late 1948, early 1949, with several American diplomats, among them Joseph Grew, G-R-E-W, who in turn talked about it with DeWitt Poole, P-O-O-L-E. Both were OSS associates.

19:42 And Poole had actually been in Moscow during the Russian Civil War. So Grew and Poole proceeded to establish what was referred to as the National Committee for a Free Europe. It is basically a CIA front. They set it up in 1949, and Alan Dulles was elected its first president. Again, it's a CIA front.

20:11 Figures like the former High Commissioner of Germany, General Lucius Clay, also joined Free Europe's Board of Directors, because it's a CIA front. The committee, in turn, formed a broadcasting subsidy called Radio Free Europe, which we've all heard of, which is also a CIA front.

20:41 and it had corporate offices in New York, and its studios were in Munich. It employed Eastern European, quote-unquote, immigrants as broadcasters, some of which are the same people that was in the Operation Gladio cells during World War II. Radio Free Europe was secretly given Wisner's radio transmitter.

21:12 and was in search of even more powerful equipment so they could have a bigger broadcast. The OPC kept in close contact with Radio Free Europe, assigning officers to work there and hiring former OSS radio experts like Peter Mero, M-E-R-O, and Robert E. Lang, L-A-N-G, which furnished technical assistance.

21:41 in the selection of transmitter sites near Frankfurt. The first Radio Free Europe broadcast was a half-an-hour program that was beamed over Czechoslovakia on July 4, 1950. In 1951, Wisner followed up with several similar organizations that were broadcasting propaganda all throughout the Soviet Union. One of those was called American Committee for Freedom,

22:11 for the people of the Soviet Union. Its broadcast station later became known as Radio Liberty. Its principal person or executive was called Franklin A. Lindsay, L-I-N-D-S-A-Y, who also was a CIA asset and represented the CIA on a joint committee with the British. DeWitt

22:40 also played a role in creating this organization. All of these radios were basically an important resource in their secret war of the CIA against Russia. They used increasingly powerful transmitters located throughout Germany. And from 1952, which is very important to our Gladio thing, is they set one up in Portugal.

23:10 And Portugal, of course, was at that time under the leadership of a dictator. I mean, it wasn't even a democracy. They used the balloon program to distribute the flyers that they ended up delivering over 300 million leaflets over what they referred to as denied areas.

23:38 So C.W. Jackson and a politician by the name of Harold Stassen, S-T-A-S-S-E-N, and journalist Drew Pearson were all representatives of their plausible deniability radio stations. Another facet that Frank Wisner was involved in is the creation of their paramilitary operations, i.e. Gladio.

24:06 The U.S. wanted to have stay-behind networks. Imagine finding that in this book. Because again, once you see these words, you know these people are talking about Operation Gladio, where in the past, I would have read this and skipped right over that part. So the U.S. wanted to have stay-behind units inside of Russia, inside of the Soviet Union.

24:37 If there was no invasion, and obviously throughout Europe, if there was no invasion by the Russians, they would be able to use them for other purposes. Frank Wisner went to the Pentagon for assistance. A relationship with the Defense Department had formed despite much opposition.

24:59 The Secretary of Army initially prohibited the assignment of Army officers to the Office of Policy Coordination on the grounds that he wished his service to have nothing to do with covert operations. But in 1948, the Joint Staff went on record to declare not only that guerrilla warfare should be supported, but under the direction of the National Security Council, they basically had an obligation to do so and needed to set up

25:29 their own units to do it. Isn't that amazing? In early August 1949, Wisner asked the Army for extensive assistance and basically designated an Army officer to serve as the Chief OPC Guerrilla Warfare Group. And the use of Army facilities became available after this decision was made.

25:57 for the CIA to use as training, which is how we ended up with Schools of America, Fort Benning, Fort Bragg being used for Operation Gladio training. While the request for an officer was later withdrawn, by mid-November, a conference had already occurred between the OPC and Army representatives and resulted in the selection of Fort Benning, Georgia.

26:24 to be used for the CIA training location. Oh, you mean where they moved the School of Americas? Yeah, that same Fort Benning. One of the OPC men at the conference was Richard G. Stilwell, who had served in the Detachment 101 with the OSS in Burma, with Cankife Jack, in that convenient.

26:54 There were also army assets in the field, especially in Germany. One of the main ones was the V2's Counterintelligence Corps, CIC, with its 66th CIC detachment that was headquartered at Stuttgart in 1949. The 66th CIC had the major responsibility of screening all of the people that they had caught.

27:22 that supposedly had Nazi ties that were supposed to go to Nuremberg and didn't. They were also responsible for the special quote-unquote camp that people like Otto Skorzeny ended up in and Reinhard Galen and all of the other Ukrainian Nazis and the Ustasi and all of that for use later on by the CIA and the army.

27:54 That would have been the 66th CIC detachment. Probably the most important resource for Frank Wisner, as far as the army goes, was an entire intelligence agency led by Reinhard Galen. So it says the Germans had had a military intelligence unit called the Foreign Armies East that handled all of the Soviet intel.

28:22 And it just so happens that that director was Reinhard Galen. And they were basically going to use all of his files that he had collected on everything Soviet Union in order to. And of course, we know the use of the stay behind units. All of that was traded by Reinhard Galen to buy his freedom, as well as the people that had worked for him, like Otto Skorzeny.

28:52 Galen was given a preliminary interrogation by G2 and OSS. One of his inquisitors was Frank Wisner in the immediate aftermath of the war. Galen had been moved to the U.S. in August 1945 and began an alliance with the G2 that ultimately took him back to Germany to create the organization, the BND, which was the CIA's version of the German intelligence.

29:22 operation. So, Galen assembled a cadre of German specialists on the Soviet Union, which just so happens to be a whole bunch of Nazis. This and similar army connections with Nazis would prove embarrassing once it all came out later. But in 1949, the Galen organization was put in place and the, I mean, decades-long arrangement with the

29:53 German Nazi BND working basically for the CIA began. Stalin had troops in Lithuania at the time. He had eight divisions plus Air Force units around 80,000 men. But during the, let's see, American capabilities for covert operations came too late when

30:22 to save the Baltic states. And so the brunt of the struggle was borne by the Soviet secret police, which was called the NKVD. And the NKVD had been working inside of the Soviet Union in the Baltics area.

30:50 Control measures confronted a people in turmoil at the end of the year. Over half of the Lithuanians who had survived forced labor in Germany or service in the German army stayed in the West. About 50,000 more fled to the West as refugees, and another 150 immigrated to Poland. Russian deportations and executions between 1944 and 1945

31:18 accounted for a great number of people, but no one has an exact count. The country gained additional population of the German extractions. And obviously from a war perspective, the whole relationship between Germany and those that aligned themselves with Germany and its attack on Russia and them losing, you know, over 20 million people during World War II, that

31:50 Those that had been left behind and were known to be war fighters met with a very swift and lethal judgment from the Soviets. So the National Upheaval in the Baltics created a wave of recruits for a thing that they labeled the Forest Brotherhood.

32:21 Now, I found this term in here fascinating since we know that most of the European Operation Gladio stay-behind units were set up in forested areas in the caches of weapons buried. So the fact that I ran across a label called the Forest Brotherhood, and it's in quotations, that's what they referred to Operation Gladio as in these areas.

32:50 Which is obviously to us, knowing what we know and where they found all of the ones like in Italy and the Netherlands and Belgium and everything else makes perfect sense. Which if we didn't know about Gladio, that would have not even been a thing. So the estimated number of Forrest Brotherhoods was upwards of 40,000 trained.

33:18 troops by 1946 because, again, they're left over from the war. Unlike other Baltic states, the Lithuanians managed to form a national command during 1946. This was the United Democratic Resistance Movement, or referred to as BDPS. In a report, the officers in the summer of 1946 cited six major battles that they fought the Soviets on.

33:47 after World War II ended. So these, it's almost like the reverse of what we've been told Operation Gladio is, like we created them in the European countries in case the Soviets ever came across, when in fact, the West and many of the Nazis had them inside of the Soviet Union from them already having been there. We already know Ukraine had a ton of them.

34:16 And they continued for at least a decade, rising up inside the Soviet Union and attacking the Soviet Union military. And I'm not saying that I blame them. I'm just saying it's fascinating how this is kind of the exact opposite of what we've always been told. But what we haven't been told is they are getting weapons ran into them.

34:46 by all of the new European post-World War II intelligence networks. So the CIA is sending, and the BND and the MI6, they're sending weapons inside of the Soviet Union for these resistance cells to attack the Soviet Union. That's something you don't learn in history. So anybody that was caught that made it out was given amnesty.

35:17 by the West. And depending on what day it was, some of them, you know, like if there was only a few dozen left, they would make a run for it if they had been whittled down by attrition, which happens to many of these people. So it says the Soviet security units posing as authentic bands of freedom fighters using captured uniforms and unit insignia from these

35:48 forested brotherhood, created false flag units and tried to demoralize the Lithuanian people through atrocities carried out in the name of the resistance. Huh, that's just like Gladio. The Soviets' amnesty, along with these false flag operations, was meant to psychologically defeat

36:15 these resistance elements inside of the Soviet Union. Partisan resistance reached a plateau around 1947 with a strength that had basically dwindled down to at least half. So they thought they started off about 50,000 and it ends up being around 25,000 within just a very short period of time.

36:42 The BDPS held a formal training course during the summer of 1947 for 72 newly selected non-commissioned officers camping in the woods at sites that were shifted around constantly. By September, the Soviet Union security units had found the second training camp and partisans shot their way out of a day-long battle.

37:09 Forest Brotherhood benefited from the resentment triggered by the Soviet drive for agricultural collectivism and basically climbed back up to the 30,000 range. But Stalin called in 100,000 troops in order to fight them, and the Forest Brotherhood could not prevent Lithuanian Communist Party from tripling in size between 1946 and 49.

37:38 The Soviets' control of production norms in Lithuania farmers posed kind of like the rallying cry, if you will, among the Forest Brotherhood. The Organizational Bureau simultaneously controlled credit and prices for use with farm machinery. In fact, the state land farm contained over a third of all farm implements in the country within the Soviet Union.

38:09 And this basically made the farmers beholden to the state. Collectivization also hurt the partisans because it relocated the farmers to defended localities. So they did basically like a course migration to move everybody where it was more easily controlled, kind of like the Phoenix program, honestly.

38:41 All of this began dwindling the numbers of the Forest Brotherhood. The Baltic resistance groups could have benefited from outside help. Before the end of 1945, the Lithuanian partisans had contacted many people in Sweden, Germany, France, and Britain. Some of these contacts were Western intelligence, and the Lithuanians had regular curry service that went between it and the West.

39:09 They also had worked out arms deals through the Baltics. And in 1947, the Swedish police set out to investigate a ring of rum runners, like the drink, and wound up instead dumbling across the gun trafficking operation that was going on using Soviet deserters that had been supplying weapons to the Forrest Brothers.

39:38 So President Truman, in a dramatic gesture near the end of 1946, congratulated a group of Estonian refugees who had crossed the Atlantic in old wooden sailing boats and ordered the Immigration Service to ignore the fact that they didn't have visas. Senator Millard Tidings of Maryland actively worked to publicize conditions in the Baltic states.

40:08 were in displaced persons camp in Germany, they signed a petition appealing for freedom for their country and sent it to Truman. Dr. Alfred Billman, formerly a Latvian minister to the U.S., had wrote dozens of books about what was going on and belonged to the Lithuanian American Council.

40:37 which became an immigrant group in the United States. They also had sent notices to other people, basically saying they wanted freedom. In 1948, the Lithuanians sent to the West a partisan leader with a special mission. His name was Józes Lúkases Dementes.

41:05 who appeared first in Britain and then came to America, and he wrote an account of the partisan, basically the Forrest Brotherhood actions. In 1948, a study group submitted to Truman an interim report that said they had keen interest in the partisan actions. The report said, quote,

41:29 Secret operations, particularly through supportive resistance groups, provide one of the most important sources of secret intelligence, unquote. Army staff officers used this and created a small planning group to be able to piece together basically what's going to end up being a paramilitary plan of action. So all of that was going on. You have the CIA, the MI6.

41:57 the British Secret Intelligence Service, SIS, and Frank Wisner's OPC, who's working directly with Reinhard Galen, who set all this up for Germany anyway. And they basically all get together. The role of the Galen organization was vital from the start. The displaced persons camp among the Baltic immigrants who had settled in Germany, Galen used.

42:26 The OPC at the CIA and his organization was referred to as the org, which was what it was nicknamed. It's basically the BND and began scanning all of the immigrants that were in Germany at the time as recruits and preliminary training to be accomplished in Germany to include parachute jumping.

42:53 to insert more resistance into the Soviet Union. There's a fairly large pool of people. They had as many right then, 4,000 Estonians, 11,000 Latvians, and 5,000 Lithuanians that they had as potential recruits. So that's a big bunch of forest people. However, the very first...

43:22 effort was a guy by the name of Juzas Luksa, L-U-K-S-A, who was parachuted back into Lithuanian, but died inside of the Forest Brotherhood. And it was not reported as to what he died from. So between 49 and 51, the CIA parachuted in several more agents.

43:50 and did not have any good results with it at all. British intelligence had its own methods of recruiting and training people for the Baltic area. They played a key role in the occupation zone in Germany and around the Baltic coast. The SIS, a British unit, infiltrated agents by sea. They actually dropped them off where we preferred flying them in.

44:17 London already had a force that was perfect for infiltration by the sea. It was the Baltic Fishery Patrol that had been maintained by the Royal Navy since 1949. They were using basically shipping vehicles to interfere with Soviet naval vessels.

44:40 Basically, under the guise of minesweepers, we're getting past the Soviet Navy and infiltrating the Forrest Brother backups into the Soviet Union. The CIA could be very useful in many of these different areas because the British, basically, post-World War, had no money.

45:13 Frank Wisner's outfit had money to spend between the SIS, the CIA, and they had agreed to fund the entire Baltic boat service for the British. So it ends up they have several because they begin using e-boats and several others that the Galen organization ends up getting.

45:41 They commanded a German motor torpedo boat as an entire flotilla of them in order to drop people off on the coast of the Soviet Union to, well, the Baltics, to increase the effectiveness of this operation. And they set up training camps for Baltic agents and the immigrants to send them back.

46:09 inside their country. They were paid a handsome amount of money to include $100 a day at the time for re-entry. And if you made it back, you got a $1,000 bonus. They didn't pay out a lot of bonuses. One of the earliest landings along the coast of Latvia was September 30th, 1951. Now, and I want you to keep this in mind because we went into the Korean War in 1950.

46:39 So this is all going on where we're nipping around the edges of the Soviet Union, inside the Soviet Union, attacking them through the CIA while we're around over here on the Korean Peninsula already at war and headed towards China. A more successful mission was a landing by an OPC team on the Estonia coast in the spring of 1952.

47:09 A guy by the name of Ziggurd, Z-I-G-U-R-D, Krumins, K-R-U-M-I-N-S, and Janice Plos, P-L-O-S, had orders to contact or join the Forrest Brotherhood and then set up a resupply network. And in 1952, the agents reported that they had made contact with a band of,

47:41 the Forrest Brotherhood. The fate of Post was unknown, but Crumens worked with different partisan bands for a year and a half until the day the Soviets captured him with a radio strapped to his back and he had been trying to hide on a farm. The agent went before a Soviet court. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison in 1960 when a CIA pilot, Francis Gary Powers, crashed with his U-2 plane there.

48:10 and was captured, he was sent to the exact same prison and for 17 months shared a cell with him. The partisan war basically died out eventually as most of all of the partisans that were still inside of the Soviet Union, because of their resistance activities, were caught and sent to prison.

48:39 The CIA SIS operation also petered out with the Baltic boat operation that lasted until 1956 after it had expanded to the Black Sea as well. So the Baltic partisan warfare was not only futile, but it cost.

49:06 Millions of dollars and also ended up with an estimated 75,000 more people dead as a result of that. American intelligence had followed these developments from the operational base inside of Germany. They had a monitoring station in Stockholm, Sweden, and that one was ran by the Galen organization. From April 1951, Frank Wisner's outfit had direct...

49:36 representation in Stockholm in the form of a field station, which we all know who manned that, William Colby, who eventually ends up as the CIA director, who had worked in Scandinavia for the USS during World War II. He dropped a private law practice to work for the CIA and was given the primary mission of organizing stay-behind units.

50:04 in the entire Scandinavian region. The OPC station chief met many Eastern Europeans and Baltic immigrants and talked for hours about the conditions of their homeland. Colby recalls to boost their morale and encourage them that they, here's a quote, to correct channels in Europe through which they could get support for anti-communist activities, unquote.

50:32 i.e. Operation Gladio. Bill Colby was particularly upset when the Baltic partisan adventure failed and there was no ability or enthusiasm afterwards to recreate any resistance groups. That ends chapter two. So again, I find it fascinating to read these books.

51:01 Number one, you learn history. I had no idea that we were funding Forest Brotherhoods inside of the Soviet Union after World War II in order to encourage the resistance. We were running guns to them. No idea about that. No idea about the fact that there was Forest Brotherhoods and actually a name for basically...

51:30 gladio units inside of the soviet union and then you obviously see now that we know about operation gladio um that william colby creating stay behind units in the scandinavian area he was kind of that entire geography area geographical area um coordinator for the creation of nato stay behind units throughout scandinavia so anyway um we're done

52:00 With the formal part of that, if you guys have any comments about the material, please ask a mic. And we're going to... I don't see anybody. Hands up. Ron, I threw you a mic. Warhamster, I don't know if you're in a position to talk, but... Had to bring Guru up. He was getting kicked out.

52:35 All right. Yeah, thanks, guys. I've had a hell of a time trying to stay in this space, man. I've heard nothing. But anyway, that's maybe because I shared for you, Colonel. I went and said something nice about you. They give me a hell of a hard time now. Yeah, I've been on a tirade today. So anybody that's liking my stuff is probably not going to be treated nicely today. But thank you for sticking with us, Guru. I appreciate it. Ron, go ahead.

53:03 You know, it's interesting when you started off reading the stuff about Stalin. You know, before Hitler invaded Russia and Barbarossa, the Soviets had been planning on invading Western Europe. They had almost a 10 or 12 to 1.

53:29 superiority in numbers and material preparing for an invasion of Western Europe. When the Germans engaged in Barbarossa, there was a million and a half Russians who threw down their arms and volunteered to fight for the German army against the Soviets.

53:55 A lot of those guys, you know, you talked about they were repatriated back to Russia post-World War II. That was Operation Keelhaul, and the vast majority of them were either executed or, like you said, put into the gulags. And that was authorized by—that was actually personally authorized by Eisenhower himself, which is just a tragic.

54:25 tragic event but anyway i just wanted to i wanted to make that comment even use this is like i love this kind of stuff so anyway all right if we don't have any more comments about the material um you want to go ahead and ask your question ron sure absolutely i uh uh i actually called warhamster this morning and we kind of we we talked about it a little bit

54:53 But the question that I had, I was watching what stimulated this. There's a fantastic YouTube channel out there, and the name is escaping me. And I'll find it here in a second. But he's done a tremendous work on CIA, all about CIA and whatnot. We're on it. Eyes wide open. Eyes wide open. Thank you.

55:20 Eyes wide open. So I was watching something last night and it was talking about how the coordination of the CIA, the mafia, you know, just all these elements. And it really got me thinking, you know, when you go back and you look in the 20s and with all the running of alcohol and how that really was the.

55:46 the true, not necessarily the true origins, but it was really kind of the main origins of the sophisticated organized crime element in the country. And it really got me thinking, was the 18th Amendment created to foster the formation of all of these, you know, basically black operations stuff or black market stuff within the United States?

56:15 which ultimately kind of is you look at the government and the organized crime, and they're basically one and the same. And was the 18th Amendment created for that purpose, or was it just kind of something that developed after the fact? So here's what I will tell you. When I began doing my research, and you understand that the CIA,

56:45 was the birth product of the collusion between the mafia, the government and the State Department and big business, the international syndicate. So you take all of them and they spit out the CIA. Well, when you look at how they went about business prior to the CIA and the collusion that was involved in that.

57:12 They had to have a criminal element that they later stuck in the CIA. And we refer to that criminal element as the mafia in, as you point out, in the 1920s. And so one of the original books that I read had to do with the creation of. And I did again. This was all new to me.

57:39 that you had just about every hotel in Chicago, New York, many of the cities in Canada, they were all prostitution houses. That's basically what the hotel was. I did not know that.

58:00 And I did either. A lot of the families like the Pritzkers that are in the hotel business, if you follow that family back and its ties with the mafia and them both defending the mafia and then supposedly being the prosecutor, but they always got off when they were. They had intimate ties and they were in the hotel business. This comes over from the Crown family and the Seagram family.

58:30 Bronfman's. Huh? Bronfman's. All of those people in Canada. Now, here's where I think you can make that argument. And I definitely have that opinion. What sealed it for me is if you look at when we had prohibition and when Canada had prohibition, they are the exact opposites of each other.

58:54 So the whole time we had prohibition, Canada was open for business so they could bring it all in from England. And a lot of this was motivated by the English, because if you go back to Guinness and all of the families in England, they all got monster rich by running the liquor across to Canada and then into the United States.

59:22 So what this did was create this humongous boon of money for these people. And they all also happen to own like chains of hotels in Canada, chains of hotels in the U.S. But let me just show you. So there was this entire, if you look at how Operation Works with PSYOPs,

59:51 This was a psyop, the entire operation of how they got people out on the street and the use of the church as this. How is that any different than Rockefeller's use of the church to as spies to go down into Latin America and sniff out all of the indigenous Indians and murder them? There is no difference in the tactics being used here. So they get churches to they had an attorney.

1:00:19 that was one of their go-to guys in this whole prohibition movement that at 41 years old decides he's going to be a minister and create this organization that has to do with promoting prohibition. But let me, here's my favorite guy. I came across him way back when. His name is William Forgrave, okay?

1:00:49 He was a stockbroker and a Methodist minister. That's a really strange combination. Okay. He's also a crook, by the way. And he was the superintendent for Massachusetts Anti-Saloon League, which was a branch of the Prohibition Antifa group.

1:01:17 And so if you look at his history, he's up. It just so happens to be up in Maine, where was one of the main thoroughfares for liquor coming across from Canada. Oh, and look at this. He played an intricate role in the YMCA, which prior to the CIA.

1:01:43 The YMCA and the Red Cross was both used for intelligence purposes. And let's see where he was at in using the YMCA. Oh, my God. He was in Siberia. He was also in Manila, the Philippines, which, of course, if you look post-World War II at the Philippines and what I mean, sorry, post-World War I.

1:02:06 You know, we're in the aftermath of the Spanish-American War, and we basically went in there and overtook the country and their resistance movement. We killed a whole bunch of people. Yeah, this guy was in the YMCA in the Philippines. So he has the quintessential background that you would look for for an old-fashioned CIA guy.

1:02:36 before the CIA. So what did he go to jail for? I don't know. All kinds of fraud, security violations. He was charged. He was indicted on 13 counts of larceny, 11 counts of conspiracy to steal. He supposedly did a stock swindle worth $100,000. And again, this is in 1938. So that's a shit ton of money.

1:03:04 He ends up getting sentenced to four and a half years and he served two. And then he gets involved in bookmaking operation while he's in jail with the sheriff. So, yes, I'm going to say the 18th Amendment was basically a false flag of these.

1:03:36 Fake people up in arms about, oh, my God, we've got to limit alcohol so that they could corner the market on it and make a shit ton of money and basically run the black market, as you said.

1:04:05 Right after World War II is when they started doing all the narcotics. And all the people that were doing the narcotics were the same people that were involved in running the alcohol during Prohibition. Absolutely. Colonel, may I jump in? So first of all, Ron, I think it's an awesome question. And I think we've got to do a little bit deeper dive into the background. I'll give you my conclusion right away. I think the mafia growing out of that, it was more opportunistic.

1:04:37 advantage of them seeing a market opportunity. And the 18th Amendment was a result of a much larger social movement that was sort of impacted by some of the players we're talking about here. You have to look at the history of temperance movement, and you can't talk about the 18th Amendment without talking about the 19th. These were passed in 1919 and 1920, the last two amendments of the Progressive Era.

1:05:06 America collectively rejected progressivism in the 1920 election. And you did not hear about the progressives for about until Obama came around 100 years or 80 years later. So the history really is, first of all, the 19th Amendment is the one that prohibited women or made it so you could not prevent women from voting. Now, if you go back and read your constitution, it says nothing about women voting, not doing it. It was the tradition that there'd be one vote for household and the male would do that. But as we talked about last week.

1:05:35 It was John Taft's widow became America's first woman voter in 1756, and there were many such occasions of women voting after the Constitution, or even in the Articles of Confederation days. What happened in the late 1800s, as the Fabian socialists were making their way through the society of America, you know, the Eastern Seaboard, these damn Yankees we keep talking about, the temperance movement really picked up steam. And what was happening is in individual states,

1:06:05 women were voting. They would vote in local and state elections, but not federal for the most part. And they kept voting, making laws that making drinking illegal or, you know, all kinds of temperance laws. So in several states, particularly in the Midwest, they started making state laws prohibiting women from voting. Well, as you can see what the result was, they passed the 18th and 19th Amendment during the progressive era to make it so states couldn't keep women from voting anymore. Now, this was a gigantic social movement.

1:06:35 It culminated in 1920, but it was 40 or 50 years of building up to this. The people that would step into that, the mafia and the alcohol, what we now call the mafia, they already had organized crimes starting in New Orleans, some in New York, a little bit in the Midwest cities like Chicago, Cleveland. But they had other ways of making money. When the opportunity arose of smuggling alcohol because people were going to drink, it was an opportunity, and I think they just jumped into the breach.

1:07:02 It was a much bigger social movement based on a really long history. So I'm going to add a couple of things to that. If you start looking into, and I don't disagree with anything that you said, but I do think if you start looking into the movement, you're going to find, for example, the International Organization of Good Templars.

1:07:31 That is exactly what you think it is. Part of the Prohibition Party. The Anti-Saloon League, the guy that I just mentioned was one of the founders of. If you look down at who actually founded that and its first leader, he happens to be a card-carrying KKK guy. And I'm just saying that...

1:08:01 If you go organization by organization in the movement, there's some very questionable people that are the foundation of the movement in the United States. Yeah, they certainly are. And like I said, there's some crossover between the Fabian socialists from a high society standpoint and some of the same families we've been looking at. There's absolutely some crossover in these organizations.

1:08:31 What we would call an NGO today is what you're talking about here, these charities, these foundations, everything like NGOs. Yeah, of course you're going to get some connection with the movers and shakers we've been talking about. But again, the Fabian socialist movement ties back into who were the great writers coming out of the 1840s and 50s that were popular ones. You start talking about Karl Marx and all those guys. It's all descendants of Hegelianism. It was about social control.

1:09:02 This stuff wouldn't really culminate in terms of getting the 18th Amendment until Tavistock was in place. So it all ties into a lot of these bigger pictures. But were they working with a mafia at the time? It's pretty questionable. The mafia wasn't that organized. And again, they had plenty of other endeavors to pay their bills at the time. Well, the mafia was running, like you said, running all the prostitution rings, and that was enormously profitable.

1:09:29 Exactly. And we should be accurate. It was at the time it was called La Costa Nostra. They didn't start calling up the mafia until the late 1940s. So we should probably, yeah, go ahead. What I find most interesting about that is they create their own demand, right? Same thing with the drugs. So if your prostitution ring and you have the opportunity to create an artificial demand for alcohol, which you basically control.

1:09:57 And then the same thing with drugs. Well, we're going to create an artificial demand for drugs by targeting the black jazz singers in New York and the black neighborhoods in Los Angeles and create our own artificial network because we now, post-World War II, control the... I just see patterns.

1:10:26 And I do find that because that was something that was like in the back of my head. When you read about all of this old stuff with gladio glasses on, you can see a lot more patterns. I agree. And what I'd also like to add on to that is.

1:10:48 You know, it was the Valentine's Day Massacre. I think it was, I don't remember what year that was, but the Valentine's Day Massacre is what led to the original creation of the first federal anti-gun legislation, which was the 1934 National Firearms Act, regulating suppressors, fully automatic weapons, and short barrel, it was designed for short barrel shotguns, but now they call it short barrel rifles.

1:11:15 That was completely unconstitutional. But again, they don't really care about passing laws that are constitutional. They just pass them. But that was that was the first kind of the chink in the armor of going after the Second Amendment, which ultimately, you know, of course, after the 1968 Gun Control Act and then a whole bunch of things that came in in the 80s with the Brady Bill, you know, background checks.

1:11:42 uh and uh then then and the crime bills in the 90s i mean all that stuff is just downwind or it's downstream but you can't you couldn't get it all all at one time you had to start someplace and that was so so gun control really started as a result of prohibition which is again which followed the 18th amendment a friendly reminder that all federal gun laws are unconstitutional there are no exceptions to this

1:12:10 And you can have another conversation for another day about your state gun laws. But every one of those federal gun laws should never have been allowed to be proposed. It's pretty crystal clear. Agreed. I know Ron agrees with that. We've talked about this ad nauseum. And another kind of caveat that kind of made me leery of the 18th Amendment was when it was written and all of the kind of.

1:12:42 People talking about it. There's like newspaper clippings and quotes and all this other stuff. It was originally designed just for distilled liquor. It was not supposed to include beer and wine. But weirdly enough, when it was actually written, too much people, too many people surprised. It was everything. So obviously.

1:13:13 Adds to the profit margin if you're going to run liquor to have everything banned as opposed to just hard liquor. I was just going to say, if you want to get a fascinating, you know, how did it conclude? You take a look at the 21st Amendment, which, of course, basically repealed the 18th. In Section 2, they still talked about the transportation.

1:13:41 or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use of intoxicated litters in violation of the laws thereof. So you're right that they were originally talking about basically going after the moonshiners. But they didn't completely cut off the smuggling trade altogether with the 21st Amendment. That would be done later on.

1:14:06 It is, by the way, the only time an amendment was ever repealed, which is very interesting. And it only took 14 years. So did the mood of the country change that much in 14 years that all of a sudden the laws and the amendments are going to go against the organized crime? Maybe to some degree. But also, who was in office in 1933? FDR was already in there with basically, I would say, the second honeymoon of the progressives, although under a different name. Yeah.

1:14:34 we're already into the heroin and nobody cared about alcohol anymore. Guru, go ahead and ask your question. Yeah, thanks, Colonel. Going back to Warhamster there, an incredible statement was made that really hit home to me. I mean, we know all this information, but he mentioned that, you know, the Russians wanted to go and fight with the Germans, obviously, you know, late to what was going on with what was happening in Russia. Then they go back, and then...

1:15:05 To just show you how this is all of us guys and how involved this is, Eisenhower signs off on these guys going into the gulag? That is just astounding to me. You know, it just shows just how complicit the West was in all this friggin' global bullshit. Am I correct, Colonel? Yeah, so, again, you know, every day I'm dumbfounded by...

1:15:30 My lack of knowledge, when I first figured out that Eisenhower was not a good guy, you know, we all have our heroes and he definitely was one that I thought was a decent guy. But Eisenhower was not good at all. And yes, he is the one that signed off. But understand that Eisenhower basically, I know they had.

1:15:57 the um the governor over in europe but eisenhower because of his prestige of having been you know the the guru on the military side had a lot of clout in calling the shots in europe um post-world war ii um he ran he was in charge of the operations that um like as the commander

1:16:22 that oversaw the armies in the counterintelligence, the CIC, that basically did all of the debriefs of the Nazis. And that's who determined, they determined who got placed in what queue, whether you were going to the Nuremberg queue or you were going to be in the special, like Reinhard Galen. And for the big up...

1:16:50 You know, like the high ranking Nazis, you know, Eisenhower was involved in all of that, as was Alan Dulles to a much bigger extent than I ever imagined as the OSS, because they worked hand in hand with the CIC in divvying up into all of these different war camps, the different prisoners and what place they were going to be detained at.

1:17:15 Because Otto Skorzeny talks about walking out of the one he was in. It wasn't even secure. They told him and Galen basically that they were going to take care of him. You know, and they basically rigged his Nuremberg trial to find him not guilty. And they were free to come and go out of their quote unquote jail that they were in. And so they saved the Nazis. They they sent the.

1:17:44 white Russians back to the Soviet Union to be murdered. Yeah, they did all of that. Well, another thing that Eisenhower did is, we had D-Day in northern France, but we also, like two weeks later, we invaded southern France. And I think it was the 7th Army, and I may get a couple of my facts here wrong, but the premise is the same.

1:18:14 or you'll get the gist, the 7th Army came up and crossed over, or they came to the Rhine River in the south of France, and there was nobody guarding the pillboxes. There was no German Army presence there, and they could have come up behind.

1:18:34 With enough force that they could have surrounded the Germans and ended the war before Christmas in 1944. And Eisenhower flew down there personally and told him to stand fast. Do not move. And shortly thereafter, you had.

1:18:52 That was when they had the Battle of the Bulge, which cost another 60,000 American lives. And Eisenhower deliberately slowed down Eisenhower's patent by preventing him from having enough fuel to go in. The purpose was there that FDR had essentially given Stalin the assurance that Stalin was going to get to take Berlin.

1:19:18 And that was all done at the highest levels, and Eisenhower was complicit in that. Well, I also think if you look at many of the things that happened post-World War II, they wanted as much damage to be done to Germany and Russia to weaken both of them. So that was a huge factor. I don't disagree with that.

1:19:49 That ties into one of my main theories is, you know, who actually started World War I and World War II? Well, sometimes you have to look at the results to figure that out. But all I know is that Germany was passing up Great Britain industrialization at the turn of the 20th century. They got bombed to smithereens in a war they didn't start. Same thing happened again in World War II. And it's a reasonable speculation to say that suggested.

1:20:15 The UK started both wars specifically or among other reasons to knock Germany back to the Stone Age industrially. Well, not that we're getting a little off topic in terms of Gladio, but it was Herbert Hoover who was in charge of basically ensuring that the Germans had enough food in World War I through Belgium to...

1:20:44 make sure that the war could progress as long as possible. And then once the war was over, any documentation that was shown that England was really the progenitor of that war, they went through all of Europe.

1:21:07 uh, uh, all of, all of Eastern Europe, anywhere they could and found any documents that they could to that, that was, that would show that, uh, Britain was complicit in starting that war. And they hauled hundreds of thousands of documents out of there and they brought them to, uh, Stanford, uh, the Stanford university, which is where Herbert Hoover, uh, went to school. That's why, that's why you have the Hoover institution up there in Stanford.

1:21:37 And they incinerated all those documents. Well, they didn't necessarily destroy all of them. Yeah, there's been people that's talked about the fact that they're all still classified, though. Yes. And it wasn't just there. They also took it up to an extraordinarily secret location in England. And I can't remember the name of that location. But those two places housed a tremendous archive of...

1:22:05 of raw documentation that would have proven that the Germans were not responsible for the outbreak of World War I. But I do think, I just would point out that there's a lot of the bomb damage assessment that was done post-World War II, and a lot of the Sullivan and Cromwell associated industries were not bombed, if at all.

1:22:34 They were bombed very lightly. Very interesting point. I did not know that. Yeah, it does seem that they had someone on the staff picking out targets that spared coincidentally just about every company that had shared interest. You know how they were doing the patents and the like.

1:23:03 They had subordinate units like the IG Farben had a subordinate unit in the United States and all of their boards were on the U.S. one for control and blah, blah, blah. Miraculously, a lot of those suffered no damage at all. Color me shocked. Yeah, it does seem like there was a calling out of who was going to be left in Germany. How's IG Farben doing these days? How many billions did they make on COVID vaccines?

1:23:35 Etc. Yeah. Same same damn company. Yeah. They survived quite well. Yeah. All along. Yeah. A couple of follow up points on what we've been discussing. What you just said, Colonel, you know, the role of key Warren Commission ally of Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy in choosing targets in Germany.

1:24:06 is very significant. So when you look at John J. McCloy and Alan Dulles' influence in decision policymaking regarding Germany and going right into the Warren Commission, there's a lot of continuity there that's been obfuscated beyond belief through the work of professionals. And yeah, so also something earlier that Warhamster was talking about is

1:24:35 In World War I and World War II, the common denominator, I think, and people have said this before, is the long-term British interest in, quote, avoiding that German and Russia embrace. I think they called it maybe a different phrase. But again, never let Germany and Russia be allies, right? Because there's just too much good raw material shit, as it were.

1:25:05 In Russia, and there's just too much industrial might in Germany. And as Warhamster suggested, you know, the rivalry, it was a rivalry between Germany and England that was on, you know, the British Anglo-American establishment's mind. And that was key number one. You got to set up opposing governments after World War I and after World War II and do anything possible, you know, do anything possible to prevent and

1:25:32 an alliance between Germany and Russia. And also going back to your earlier points about, you know, prohibitions, fascinating points made. But, you know, I think it gets back to the way that these kind of so-called issues or framing of issues between, you know, the women's suffrage movement, prohibition, you know, the rise of the KKK and the role of racism.

1:26:01 and also anti-immigration sentiment and policy, they really, as far as public perception, they overlap each other so, so much. And, you know, what we see is the politicians are so good at kind of preventing common denominators from emerging and using these...

1:26:27 these kind of social war divisions, you know, to it in an uber crafty way, in a way that really continues right now, when we look at the way immigration is being used by both of the duopoly parties, like scissor blades, cutting the population right down the middle. And of course, neither will, the common, you know, what neither party will talk about is the CIA's role in creating the death squads in Central America. And as you Colonel have been lately,

1:26:57 focusing on the role of the CIA in Panama and creating this social upheaval that creates the immigration to the U.S. And, oh, what a surprise. Neither of the parties ever mentions that. And also, you know, just going back to the temperance movement, you know, there's a lot of, at the time, as you know, there was a lot of like anti-big city.

1:27:25 you know, political machine, like, and that had kind of some anti-Catholic overtones to it, you know, like Buffalo, like the, especially like in New York, it's a microcosm, but it happens more generally, like, you know, the upstate New York Protestants versus the Buffalo and New York City Catholic machines. So this all kind of overlaps with prohibition.

1:27:54 The creation or perhaps shifting forms of mafia relationships. Yeah. Colonel, can I address a couple of points that all along made? Sure. A bunch of good points, but I'll step on to the last point you made talking about the Protestants versus the Catholics. That's absolutely the case. The Puritans, the New England Puritans, I don't think they've changed a whole lot since the witch trials in some ways.

1:28:23 Anybody who's read much about the Gilded Age knows about our class system. You had to walk on opposite sides of the street and stuff like that, for God's sake. There's a reason we didn't have our first Catholic president until JFK. The political establishment in America was always very pro-Protestant, anti-Catholic, and very Puritan-driven, because that was their roots.

1:28:49 The other fun thing I was going to bring up is he mentioned my good buddy John McCloy sitting on the Warren Commission, among other things. I don't know if you all remember what John McCloy's job was at the time he was selected to be on the Warren Commission. He was the president of the World Bank, which is not exactly something that qualifies you to sit in judgment or be an investigator in one of the most important investigations in U.S. history.

1:29:13 It's obviously a political position and then some. And we do, Colonel, we have talked about doing an entire show on McCoy, and I think he can at least take up 90 minutes. So we need to probably get that on the calendar. Okay. Yeah. Obviously very interesting. Cheers. Sure. Anybody else? I need to bail, Colonel. I really want to thank you for addressing my question. This was very stimulating today. So thank you for.

1:29:46 Thank you for this, and y'all have a great weekend. Sure. Thank you for being here. And I did want to shout out Meghar Sarge, who reminded me the name, the Strategic Bombing Survey, is the instrument that was developed in order to ensure that they de-conflicted whose facilities that they wanted to bomb and whose they didn't. So thank you, Meghar Sarge, for...

1:30:15 Pointing that out. If no one else has any comments, we're going to go ahead and make an early night of it. Oh, and let me just tell you, I did just put one interview on the schedule for Sunday.

1:30:48 On, let's see, Sunday at 530 Eastern Time, Ash in America has a podcast. I will be sure to send you out the information if you want to just pencil in 530 Sunday evening. We're going to talk about some of the information that I found on the H-1B visa program.

1:31:13 So we'll be able to do a little bit more deep dive into that with some kind of shenanigans that I've come across. So if you guys are interested in that, we're going to talk about that. Otherwise, I'm basically off until four o'clock on Monday. And we're going to basically do the same thing that we did this past week.

1:31:40 I will do a show at four o'clock on Monday and Tuesday. And then basically we will be off on Wednesday and then Warhamster and I will come back at noon on Thursday and do our show. But otherwise just plan on being here at four o'clock next week. So thank you all again. Oh, let's see what Molly had.

1:32:10 Did you want to say something, Molly? I'll bring you up to. Did you want to say something, Molly? Yes. Oh, I hope it wasn't interrupting what you were trying to say, but I've been trying to wrap my mind around it. What you were talking about and then what all along came in and filled in. You guys are really clearly connecting all the dots of how, you know, these icky people, they have a goal.

1:32:46 And they deploy their assets into every possible angle to do their divisive strategies and get everything all flared up. And you guys are laying out the whole map. So you're blowing my mind again. I just needed to say that. Okay. Well, thank you for saying that, Molly. And I do think that is kind of the general takeaway on all of this.

1:33:14 is as Bridget and Cousin It and I have always said that you, by going back in hindsight with Gladio glasses on, now that we know what it is, you are able to see patterns where everything in the past just seemed to appear random. It just so happens this happened and it just so happens this happened. But then you begin looking at

1:33:42 Some of the organizations and the whole chaos strategy of tension and the control mechanisms that evolved from the chaos that they generate, you can start seeing. And are we going to find an exact document that's the smoking gun? Not likely. But there are high probabilities that you're going to be able to look at history differently.

1:34:10 When you understand what these people are capable of doing, and now with Gladio glasses on, going back and pulling the pieces together, eventually, I hope during the next four years, somebody has a massive declassification. We get to see all of these documents, and then we'll know for sure one way or the other. That is my prayer. But until then, we are going to continue alternative sources.

1:34:39 of history from well-researched authors that have hence been hidden from us so that we can begin making our own pattern identification, our own intellectual database to be able to, as information becomes declassified, we have the pigeonholes now developed in this entire

1:35:09 research project to know in a very quick way where to file pieces of information and make them make sense to the bigger piece. So that's kind of why I had somebody say to me the other day, yeah, but when all of that happens, then what it was my son-in-law actually goes, but aren't you going to continue doing podcasts? And I'm like, no, I'm not. I am on a mission.

1:35:36 And once my mission is done, where we have the declassification and the exposure and the elimination of entities like the CIA, I will not, I have no plans on doing anything further than that. We are going to bring as many eyeballs onto this as we can right now. And then.

1:36:04 I plan on riding off into the sunset and join my grandson and getting my normal life back together. You might actually get to retire. Yeah, no, that's the God's honest. Love you. Yeah. Thank you. So I just want this done and I want us to get through as much of this material as possible, which is kind of why we move to.

1:36:36 Monday through Friday. And we're doing this as much as we can physically do right now, just so we can get the information out there. So we have a sound foundation to process the information that I hope is going to come out over the next four years. We are going to be one of the premier places where people can go and make sense of the information that I hope is forthcoming.

1:37:05 So you guys are going to be on the cusp of that adventure because you're going to be one of the interpreters as well. You're going to be able to translate the information in a much faster way than everybody else because you have the background to it all. So thank you again, everyone, for being here. I appreciate it. And I will see you again Sunday night, 530 on Ash. And I will post the link once she sends it to me.

1:37:35 And then on Monday at four. Have a wonderful weekend, everybody.

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Joseph Stalin headed Soviet Union book_quoted ▶ 2:27

“This is Chapter 2, The Secret War Against Russia. Are you going live on Rumble as well? Yes, I am live already. Okay, thank you. Sure. I'm like, wait a minute. Time to stress me out here. I thought I'…”

Joseph Stalin member_of Georgia book_quoted ▶ 3:51

“they needed something to kind of gravitate around because you had Muslim, you had Eastern Orthodox, you also had Uzbekistan, you had Asians, and they all were collectively inside of the Soviet Union. …”

Soviet Union annexed Moldova book_quoted ▶ 7:08

“Stalin had no difficulty in making certain changes to the European borders of Russia. Parts of Poland were annexed to the Ukraine and to White Russia. Parts of Finland were taken over. In some areas, …”

Soviet Union annexed Latvia book_quoted ▶ 7:08

Soviet Union annexed Lithuania book_quoted ▶ 7:08

Soviet Union annexed Estonia book_quoted ▶ 7:08

Joseph Stalin traded_network_to Adolf Hitler book_quoted ▶ 7:36

“Independent nations Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia became Soviet socialist republics. In the case of the new socialist republics, Stalin claimed he was merely restoring pre-war conditions. Soviet forc…”

Ukraine carried_out_attack Soviet Union book_quoted ▶ 9:05

“So you see how this whole thing wraps around. Many from these minorities fought with the whites, called the white Russians, against the communists during the Russian Civil War. Ukrainian forces also a…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 9:34

“in the Great Patriotic War. While the war as a whole might have ended in 1945, the Ukrainian guerrilla armies, i.e. Operation Gladio, continued to fight the Russians. The Ukrainian discovered that the…”

National Labor Alliance spied_on Soviet Union book_quoted ▶ 10:01

“Among ethnic Russians, there were also plenty of people resisting Stalin. Activists founded the National Labor Alliance, it was called NTS for what the words stand for in Russian, in Belgrade in 1930.…”

Joseph Stalin ordered_assassination_of Andrei Vlasov book_quoted ▶ 11:31

“himself was handed back by the Americans and executed by Stalin's secret police in Moscow in 1946. Up to 90% of the Soviet returnees disappeared into a gulag. Beyond Soviet borders, there were satelli…”

CIA founded Special Procedures Group book_quoted ▶ 12:00

“They organized resistance there right away. The captive nations, disaffected minorities, and groups of disillusioned social democrats and communists were fertile recruiting grounds for the CIA and Wes…”

CIA recruited Eastern Europe book_quoted ▶ 12:00

Harry S. Truman approved Office of Policy Coordination book_quoted ▶ 12:30

“of the National Security Council, and it became the Office of Special Projects. As if that name did not sound innocuous enough, it was soon changed again to the Office of Policy Coordination, OPC. Thi…”

Frank Wisner headed Office of Policy Coordination book_quoted ▶ 14:21

“the wrong person being elected in Italy. So their very first operation of interfering with an election for the CIA was 1948. Covert action also received a tremendous boost from the man selected by the…”

Frank Wisner funded Operation Mockingbird book_quoted ▶ 16:39

“Wisners had a friend by the name of Stuart Osop, who was a journalist, and he began using him right away for basically what we would later on call Operation Mockingbird. So one of Wisners' favorite OP…”

Allen Dulles headed National Committee for a Free Europe book_quoted ▶ 19:42

“And Poole had actually been in Moscow during the Russian Civil War. So Grew and Poole proceeded to establish what was referred to as the National Committee for a Free Europe. It is basically a CIA fro…”

National Committee for a Free Europe front_for CIA book_quoted ▶ 19:42

Radio Free Europe front_for CIA book_quoted ▶ 20:11

“Figures like the former High Commissioner of Germany, General Lucius Clay, also joined Free Europe's Board of Directors, because it's a CIA front. The committee, in turn, formed a broadcasting subsidy…”

National Committee for a Free Europe founded Radio Free Europe book_quoted ▶ 20:11

Frank Wisner supplied_arms_to Radio Free Europe book_quoted ▶ 20:41

“and it had corporate offices in New York, and its studios were in Munich. It employed Eastern European, quote-unquote, immigrants as broadcasters, some of which are the same people that was in the Ope…”

Office of Policy Coordination recruited Robert Lansing book_quoted ▶ 21:12

“and was in search of even more powerful equipment so they could have a bigger broadcast. The OPC kept in close contact with Radio Free Europe, assigning officers to work there and hiring former OSS ra…”

Office of Policy Coordination recruited Peter Mero book_quoted ▶ 21:12

Franklin A. Lindsay member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 22:11

“for the people of the Soviet Union. Its broadcast station later became known as Radio Liberty. Its principal person or executive was called Franklin A. Lindsay, L-I-N-D-S-A-Y, who also was a CIA asset…”

Frank Wisner founded Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 23:38

“So C.W. Jackson and a politician by the name of Harold Stassen, S-T-A-S-S-E-N, and journalist Drew Pearson were all representatives of their plausible deniability radio stations. Another facet that Fr…”

Frank Wisner recruited U.S. Army book_quoted ▶ 25:29

“their own units to do it. Isn't that amazing? In early August 1949, Wisner asked the Army for extensive assistance and basically designated an Army officer to serve as the Chief OPC Guerrilla Warfare …”

CIA trained Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 25:57

“for the CIA to use as training, which is how we ended up with Schools of America, Fort Benning, Fort Bragg being used for Operation Gladio training. While the request for an officer was later withdraw…”

Richard Stilwell member_of OSS Detachment 101 book_quoted ▶ 26:24

“to be used for the CIA training location. Oh, you mean where they moved the School of Americas? Yeah, that same Fort Benning. One of the OPC men at the conference was Richard G. Stilwell, who had serv…”

Counterintelligence Corps recruited Otto Skorzeny book_quoted ▶ 27:22

“that supposedly had Nazi ties that were supposed to go to Nuremberg and didn't. They were also responsible for the special quote-unquote camp that people like Otto Skorzeny ended up in and Reinhard Ga…”

Reinhard Gehlen headed Foreign Armies East book_quoted ▶ 28:22

“And it just so happens that that director was Reinhard Galen. And they were basically going to use all of his files that he had collected on everything Soviet Union in order to. And of course, we know…”

Reinhard Gehlen traded_network_to CIA book_quoted ▶ 28:22

Frank Wisner recruited Reinhard Gehlen book_quoted ▶ 28:52

“Galen was given a preliminary interrogation by G2 and OSS. One of his inquisitors was Frank Wisner in the immediate aftermath of the war. Galen had been moved to the U.S. in August 1945 and began an a…”

BND front_for CIA book_quoted ▶ 28:52

Reinhard Gehlen founded BND book_quoted ▶ 28:52

Forest Brotherhood carried_out_attack Soviet Union book_quoted ▶ 33:18

“troops by 1946 because, again, they're left over from the war. Unlike other Baltic states, the Lithuanians managed to form a national command during 1946. This was the United Democratic Resistance Mov…”

United Democratic Resistance Movement headed Forest Brotherhood book_quoted ▶ 33:18

CIA supplied_arms_to Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 34:46

“by all of the new European post-World War II intelligence networks. So the CIA is sending, and the BND and the MI6, they're sending weapons inside of the Soviet Union for these resistance cells to att…”

BND supplied_arms_to Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 34:46

Inter-Services Intelligence supplied_arms_to Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 34:46

Soviet Union targeted_for_regime_change Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 35:48

“forested brotherhood, created false flag units and tried to demoralize the Lithuanian people through atrocities carried out in the name of the resistance. Huh, that's just like Gladio. The Soviets' am…”

Forest Brotherhood carried_out_attack Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 35:48

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 37:09

“Forest Brotherhood benefited from the resentment triggered by the Soviet drive for agricultural collectivism and basically climbed back up to the 30,000 range. But Stalin called in 100,000 troops in o…”

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 38:09

“And this basically made the farmers beholden to the state. Collectivization also hurt the partisans because it relocated the farmers to defended localities. So they did basically like a course migrati…”

Forest Brotherhood recruited United Kingdom host_asserted ▶ 38:41

“All of this began dwindling the numbers of the Forest Brotherhood. The Baltic resistance groups could have benefited from outside help. Before the end of 1945, the Lithuanian partisans had contacted m…”

Forest Brotherhood recruited Germany host_asserted ▶ 38:41

Forest Brotherhood recruited Sweden host_asserted ▶ 38:41

Forest Brotherhood recruited France host_asserted ▶ 38:41

Sweden exposed Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 39:09

“They also had worked out arms deals through the Baltics. And in 1947, the Swedish police set out to investigate a ring of rum runners, like the drink, and wound up instead dumbling across the gun traf…”

Millard Tydings exposed Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 39:38

“So President Truman, in a dramatic gesture near the end of 1946, congratulated a group of Estonian refugees who had crossed the Atlantic in old wooden sailing boats and ordered the Immigration Service…”

Harry S. Truman pardoned Estonia host_asserted ▶ 39:38

Forest Brotherhood recruited Józef Lukas Dementavičius host_asserted ▶ 40:37

“which became an immigrant group in the United States. They also had sent notices to other people, basically saying they wanted freedom. In 1948, the Lithuanians sent to the West a partisan leader with…”

Józef Lukas Dementavičius exposed Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 41:05

“who appeared first in Britain and then came to America, and he wrote an account of the partisan, basically the Forrest Brotherhood actions. In 1948, a study group submitted to Truman an interim report…”

CIA funded Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 41:29

“Secret operations, particularly through supportive resistance groups, provide one of the most important sources of secret intelligence, unquote. Army staff officers used this and created a small plann…”

CIA recruited Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 41:57

“the British Secret Intelligence Service, SIS, and Frank Wisner's OPC, who's working directly with Reinhard Galen, who set all this up for Germany anyway. And they basically all get together. The role …”

Reinhard Gehlen recruited Lithuania host_asserted ▶ 42:26

“The OPC at the CIA and his organization was referred to as the org, which was what it was nicknamed. It's basically the BND and began scanning all of the immigrants that were in Germany at the time as…”

Reinhard Gehlen recruited Estonia host_asserted ▶ 42:26

Reinhard Gehlen recruited Latvia host_asserted ▶ 42:26

CIA recruited Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 43:22

“effort was a guy by the name of Juzas Luksa, L-U-K-S-A, who was parachuted back into Lithuanian, but died inside of the Forest Brotherhood. And it was not reported as to what he died from. So between …”

CIA recruited Józef Lukas Dementavičius host_asserted ▶ 43:22

Inter-Services Intelligence recruited Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 43:50

“and did not have any good results with it at all. British intelligence had its own methods of recruiting and training people for the Baltic area. They played a key role in the occupation zone in Germa…”

Royal Navy funded Baltic Fishery Patrol host_asserted ▶ 44:17

“London already had a force that was perfect for infiltration by the sea. It was the Baltic Fishery Patrol that had been maintained by the Royal Navy since 1949. They were using basically shipping vehi…”

Baltic Fishery Patrol supplied_arms_to Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 44:17

CIA funded Inter-Services Intelligence host_asserted ▶ 45:13

“Frank Wisner's outfit had money to spend between the SIS, the CIA, and they had agreed to fund the entire Baltic boat service for the British. So it ends up they have several because they begin using …”

Reinhard Gehlen supplied_arms_to Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 45:41

“They commanded a German motor torpedo boat as an entire flotilla of them in order to drop people off on the coast of the Soviet Union to, well, the Baltics, to increase the effectiveness of this opera…”

CIA paid Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 46:09

“inside their country. They were paid a handsome amount of money to include $100 a day at the time for re-entry. And if you made it back, you got a $1,000 bonus. They didn't pay out a lot of bonuses. O…”

CIA recruited Janis Plots host_asserted ▶ 46:39

“So this is all going on where we're nipping around the edges of the Soviet Union, inside the Soviet Union, attacking them through the CIA while we're around over here on the Korean Peninsula already a…”

CIA recruited Zigurds Krūmiņš host_asserted ▶ 46:39

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Zigurds Krūmiņš host_asserted ▶ 47:41

“the Forrest Brotherhood. The fate of Post was unknown, but Crumens worked with different partisan bands for a year and a half until the day the Soviets captured him with a radio strapped to his back a…”

Zigurds Krūmiņš member_of Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 47:41

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Gary Powers host_asserted ▶ 47:41

Soviet Union carried_out_attack Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 48:10

“and was captured, he was sent to the exact same prison and for 17 months shared a cell with him. The partisan war basically died out eventually as most of all of the partisans that were still inside o…”

CIA funded Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 49:06

“Millions of dollars and also ended up with an estimated 75,000 more people dead as a result of that. American intelligence had followed these developments from the operational base inside of Germany. …”

CIA recruited William Colby host_asserted ▶ 49:36

“representation in Stockholm in the form of a field station, which we all know who manned that, William Colby, who eventually ends up as the CIA director, who had worked in Scandinavia for the USS duri…”

William Colby founded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 49:36

William Colby funded Forest Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 50:04

“in the entire Scandinavian region. The OPC station chief met many Eastern Europeans and Baltic immigrants and talked for hours about the conditions of their homeland. Colby recalls to boost their mora…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered_assassination_of Soviet Union caller_asserted ▶ 53:55

“A lot of those guys, you know, you talked about they were repatriated back to Russia post-World War II. That was Operation Keelhaul, and the vast majority of them were either executed or, like you sai…”

Mafia funded CIA caller_asserted ▶ 56:45

“was the birth product of the collusion between the mafia, the government and the State Department and big business, the international syndicate. So you take all of them and they spit out the CIA. Well…”

William Forgrave member_of Massachusetts Anti-Saloon League caller_asserted ▶ 1:00:49

“He was a stockbroker and a Methodist minister. That's a really strange combination. Okay. He's also a crook, by the way. And he was the superintendent for Massachusetts Anti-Saloon League, which was a…”

William Forgrave member_of YMCA caller_asserted ▶ 1:01:17

“And so if you look at his history, he's up. It just so happens to be up in Maine, where was one of the main thoroughfares for liquor coming across from Canada. Oh, and look at this. He played an intri…”

YMCA spied_on Philippines caller_asserted ▶ 1:01:43

“The YMCA and the Red Cross was both used for intelligence purposes. And let's see where he was at in using the YMCA. Oh, my God. He was in Siberia. He was also in Manila, the Philippines, which, of co…”

YMCA spied_on Soviet Union caller_asserted ▶ 1:01:43

William Forgrave trafficked Prohibition caller_asserted ▶ 1:03:04

“He ends up getting sentenced to four and a half years and he served two. And then he gets involved in bookmaking operation while he's in jail with the sheriff. So, yes, I'm going to say the 18th Amend…”

Mafia trafficked Prohibition caller_asserted ▶ 1:04:05

“Right after World War II is when they started doing all the narcotics. And all the people that were doing the narcotics were the same people that were involved in running the alcohol during Prohibitio…”

Fabian Society member_of Tavistock Clinic caller_asserted ▶ 1:09:02

“This stuff wouldn't really culminate in terms of getting the 18th Amendment until Tavistock was in place. So it all ties into a lot of these bigger pictures. But were they working with a mafia at the …”

Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered_assassination_of Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 1:15:05

“To just show you how this is all of us guys and how involved this is, Eisenhower signs off on these guys going into the gulag? That is just astounding to me. You know, it just shows just how complicit…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower headed Counterintelligence Corps host_asserted ▶ 1:15:57

“the um the governor over in europe but eisenhower because of his prestige of having been you know the the guru on the military side had a lot of clout in calling the shots in europe um post-world war …”

Counterintelligence Corps covered_up Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 1:16:22

“that oversaw the armies in the counterintelligence, the CIC, that basically did all of the debriefs of the Nazis. And that's who determined, they determined who got placed in what queue, whether you w…”

Allen Dulles covered_up Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 1:16:50

“You know, like the high ranking Nazis, you know, Eisenhower was involved in all of that, as was Alan Dulles to a much bigger extent than I ever imagined as the OSS, because they worked hand in hand wi…”

Allen Dulles covered_up Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 1:17:15

“Because Otto Skorzeny talks about walking out of the one he was in. It wasn't even secure. They told him and Galen basically that they were going to take care of him. You know, and they basically rigg…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower covered_up Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 1:17:15

Dwight D. Eisenhower covered_up Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 1:17:15

Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered_assassination_of Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 1:17:44

“white Russians back to the Soviet Union to be murdered. Yeah, they did all of that. Well, another thing that Eisenhower did is, we had D-Day in northern France, but we also, like two weeks later, we i…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower covered_up Germany host_asserted ▶ 1:18:52

“That was when they had the Battle of the Bulge, which cost another 60,000 American lives. And Eisenhower deliberately slowed down Eisenhower's patent by preventing him from having enough fuel to go in…”

Herbert Hoover covered_up World War II host_asserted ▶ 1:20:15

“The UK started both wars specifically or among other reasons to knock Germany back to the Stone Age industrially. Well, not that we're getting a little off topic in terms of Gladio, but it was Herbert…”

United Kingdom covered_up World War II host_asserted ▶ 1:20:44

“make sure that the war could progress as long as possible. And then once the war was over, any documentation that was shown that England was really the progenitor of that war, they went through all of…”

John J. McCloy member_of Warren Commission host_asserted ▶ 1:24:06

“is very significant. So when you look at John J. McCloy and Alan Dulles' influence in decision policymaking regarding Germany and going right into the Warren Commission, there's a lot of continuity th…”

John J. McCloy headed Bank for International Settlements host_asserted ▶ 1:28:49

“The other fun thing I was going to bring up is he mentioned my good buddy John McCloy sitting on the Warren Commission, among other things. I don't know if you all remember what John McCloy's job was …”

Strategic Bombing Survey covered_up IG Farben host_asserted ▶ 1:29:46

“Thank you for this, and y'all have a great weekend. Sure. Thank you for being here. And I did want to shout out Meghar Sarge, who reminded me the name, the Strategic Bombing Survey, is the instrument …”