The Colonel's Corner The Medusa Files Part 18 OKL bombing pt II

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0:00 Boy, I have got a link to an article I have to show you. Okay. You know, I tease you a lot about the CIA knowing exactly where I live, and they just, like, almost get me, but they don't. Right. Last night, this morning, we got just skirted by a storm that dropped 12 inches of rain at one time. That's a lot.

0:32 One of the local rivers rose 28 feet. Remember, Missouri has lots of hills. Right. And so it went up 28 feet. They're calling it a one in one. You know how they always say like one in 100 year flood? Apparently they ran out of 100 year floods. So now it's a one in 1,000 year flood is what they're calling it. Wow. I mean.

1:05 That's crazy. It was a red cell stream of storms that just kept hammering and hammering. And I mean, it's not, we're not, we're not but a few miles, like 30, not even, not even 30, as the crow flies, 30 miles, 40 miles from it. Wow. And we got less than an inch. Alaskan?

1:38 Yeah, they just missed us. Just saying. They're getting close, but they have not triangulated my spot yet. There you go. All right. Well, we had quite the eventful trip home. Oh, my gosh. What happened? Well, in addition to the generator not working, the engine on the RV, something with the...

2:09 the diesel pusher has a booster on it and it decided it was going to stop working. And when it stops working, your check engine light comes on and the max speed you can go is 50. Yeah. So we had five hours of travel and about two and a half hours in, we pulled over and disconnected the truck and I just drove behind him.

2:41 which then meant he could maybe go 55. Oh, my God. That had to just drive him crazy. So I told him, I said, oh, you want me to drive in the air-conditioned truck? Darn. Poor thing. He's doing good to you. So the dogs and I rode in the air-conditioned truck, and he burned up. And my husband is the type of husband person that,

3:12 If he looks behind him and there's 10 cars that he's holding up, it drives him nuts. So occasionally when it was available, he would pull over and let people because about the last hour is a dead straight two lane road. And that just drives him nuts. You can pass on it, but it was too much for him.

3:40 Anyway, we got home. He went to a car show. He's all fixed. And I got to stay home with grandbaby. So it's all. Yeah, it's all good. So anyway. All right. Let's get this chapter finished tonight. All right. Send out the invites, but I'm not seeing anybody in here. So it's just odd. Oh, yeah. I mean, no offense, Rock.

4:09 That's fine. They can always go back and listen to this later. I didn't want to leave everybody hanging from our last show. So they'll have all weekend to listen to this. All right. So where we started was the whole Oklahoma bombing and all of the details. The last two to three shows has been.

4:34 the Oklahoma bombing. And the reason why this book has been filled with all kinds of other information, but the reason obviously why this author, Craig Roberts, has such an extensive amount of information about the Oklahoma bombing is because he was a Tulsa police officer during that time. So it is the longest chapter in the book.

5:01 Which is why it's taken us three or four days to get through it. All right. We went over at the end of the last show about the similarities between the JFK assassination and the Oklahoma bombing, both obviously domestic terror events. And if you've listened to me for any length of time, you realize that basically the same operations gladio players from Europe makes an appearance in both of these.

5:31 And that's not by coincidence. On at least three occasions, talking about the similarities of previous events, he's saying that this isn't the first time. Oklahoma bombing isn't the first time. And he starts talking about a Brigadier General Parton, who was U.S. Air Force retired, was an explosive expert.

6:00 That said that the ammonium nitrate truck bomb could not have done the damage inflicted on the building by itself. And former FBI station chief Ted Gunderson, who stated other devices exist in inventories that are much smaller and more powerful and could have caused the damage.

6:23 And if you guys have not watched the video, it's on YouTube about General Parton, P-A-R-T-I-N. I highly suggest you watch it. I watched it several years ago. It's very, very good. So Deborah Von Trapp, a former high-level government contractor who brought forth information linking members of the Clinton administration to the bombing, has been ignored, discredited by our local mainstream media.

6:56 Instead, within 24 hours of the event, the mainstream media in totality slanted the dagger of suspicion at the quote unquote far right radicals, which is a continuation of the narrative from Ruby Ridge and Waco into the Oklahoma bombing. And of course, the focus was on militia movements. The Michigan militia was targeted as being tied to McVeigh.

7:27 In fact, two members of the Michigan militia stated that they think they saw McVeigh at one of their open to the public meetings. They think they saw. And we know that they have FBI infiltrators, if not CIA infiltrators, in all of these militia movements. So that shouldn't surprise anyone. McVeigh himself said he had never attended.

7:56 Even if he was seen at a meeting, it could easily have been part of a setup to develop a manufactured connection to a group, just like they did with Oswald. Of course, speaking of which, we know that Oswald was made up to believe that he had a quote unquote radical background on the left, of course, because the times in the 60s, that's where we were focused. They shift.

8:26 the right and the left at will. He was filmed handing out fair play for Cuba pamphlets in New Orleans on a street corner. And just so happens that he was interviewed on television where he declared himself a Marxist for public consumption. The media has maintained ever since that Oswald was a Marxist by his own admission. And that's the reason why he killed Kennedy.

8:58 The media's attack on the militia, who had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose in the aftermath of the bombing, resulted in new anti-terrorism laws, which of course is the end result of all of these domestic terror events, is bigger government and less freedom. It was ramrodded through Congress in the wake of media-generated public emotion. These laws had been laying stagnant for months.

9:26 having been written following the Twin Tower bombing in New York City, but delayed due to their conflict with constitutional rights. So you stage an event and pass the law, just like they did the Patriot Act. Interestingly, one major result of the Kennedy assassination was the passing of a Firearms Control Act in 1968.

9:53 which was the first major legislation regarding government control of citizens' firearms since the 1930s, where private ownership of automatic weapons had to be licensed by the federal government. Then there are the wild goose chases of the national investigation. During the Kennedy administration, hundreds of FBI agents were sent hither and yon to interview, question, and report even the most obscure leads and quote unquote witnesses.

10:23 The agents all trying to do a sterling job as possible then sent their reports to the FBI for screening and absorption. Few agents ever saw the big picture. They weren't allowed to compare notes or even know what the other was chasing down. The same happened after the Oklahoma bombing. Hundreds of agents have quote unquote followed up on even the most obscure leads, but like their predecessors.

10:52 who investigated the Kennedy assassination, they're left out of the grand scheme of things and only privy to certain parts of the information. It is also interesting to note that the main question is not being answered concerning the motivation. Who benefits? FBI agents who attempted to follow the money and the power behind the murder of JFK were quickly redirected by Washington to other activities. The agents who smelled a large rat

11:20 with the Oklahoma bombing, are finding themselves subject to the same circumstances. It appears once again to be a system of directed investigation, ignoring, debunking anything that doesn't fit their predetermined outcome. The television coverage of the transfer of McVeigh from jail to Holdings facility at Tinker Air Force Base outside of Oklahoma City was quite reminiscent of the Oswald transfer attempt.

11:51 In Dallas, the only difference was there was no Jack Ruby to intervene. Doesn't mean there wasn't one. Just means he wasn't successful. It should be noted that McVeigh was dressed in bright orange and wore no bulletproof vest. It makes one wonder if he was being targeted and something went wrong.

12:15 Until the investigation begins to follow leads concerning who benefits, it is unlikely that the Oklahoma bombing investigation will progress to a full, believable conclusion. If the case against McVeigh and Nichols, who the government maintains acted by themselves, was so ironclad, then we'd have to ask ourselves why the government prosecutors had to ask for 90 days extension on their investigation before attempting to present McVeigh for indictment.

12:46 There's one more element to consider, the videotape. In 1963, the Zapruder film recorded the events that transpired in Daly Square. It was immediately seized by the FBI. Then it was locked in Life Magazine's vault. Life Magazine, by the way, employed OSS and CIA members like Charles D. Jackson.

13:17 And that was all proven in the 1975 congressional investigation into the CIA. And then it was released much later, long after everybody had moved on. When it was released, it was altered. In Oklahoma City, the media reports that the camera on an automatic teller machine or the Southwestern Bell Building security cameras or a camera on the apartment building.

13:48 a block west of the event, recorded McVeigh parking a Ryder truck then walking away from it to get into a vehicle to speed away. The federal authorities seized all of those tapes. Why have we not seen them? If it is being kept secret until trial, then it should be released after it has been examined in the courtroom. The question is, because this book was written during this process,

14:18 He asked the question, will it ever be released? Of course not. Many other questions remain to be answered, as in the Kennedy investigation, but will never be breached. Questions such as, was there an Iraqi connection? Were there actual two explosions? Were there two or more other bombs inside the building? Why did McVeigh's license tag, quote unquote, fall off his car?

14:47 Why was the APB on the brown pickup truck not followed up on? Then why was it later canceled? And then why did the FBI deny it even existed? Exactly what number was found on the truck axle that would identify the vehicle? Because remember, they said it was a certain make and model.

15:10 Then found out that that certain make and model didn't have an actual identification number on the axle. So they changed the make and model of the truck so that they could say they had it. Why have we not seen any photographs of the number plate? Why was not John Doe number two, the Iraqi Republican Guard division officer, not followed up on in detail by the FBI? And then later.

15:43 we were told he didn't exist at all. Why? After it was shown there was no connection, did the media continue to shift public attention to right-wing groups ranging from the NRA to other militia organizations when there was literally no connection? And most of all, what exactly were the documents taken out of the Murrow building that were staged in the post office then later snuck out of there?

16:16 And one cannot help but wonder if Timothy McVeigh will utter at some point, I'm a patsy. One last note to consider. On June 25th, 1996, bombing of the Khobar Towers apartment building in Saudi Arabia, which killed 23 Americans, was briefly referred to by the media as proof that a truck bomb could do the damage to a building that the ammonium nitrate packed.

16:46 Ryder truck supposedly did, but the claims quickly died when it was determined that the building was built from poor grade material and was not reinforced to American standards. That only the front wall fell and little damage occurred past that point. The Murrah building was built to strict modern building codes using much stronger material.

17:13 The explosives used were in excess of 5,000 pounds and Semtex high explosives. The bomb, 25 times as powerful as the Ryder truck bomb, did only one-tenth the damage. So the Saudi Arabia bomb was much bigger, did much less damage. So literally nothing about the bomb story in Oklahoma works. Nothing.

17:43 He adds a footnote saying, since this chapter was originally written, more information regarding the Arab connection surfaced. As of July 2002, investigators have discovered that Terry Nichols met with Edwin Angeles of an Islamic terror group in the Philippines, along with Abdul Hakim Murad Ramsey Yosef.

18:12 the World Trade Bomber, Wally Khan, and others tied to Osama bin Laden, which of course we know is CIA, Khan and Youssef are direct links to Al-Qaeda, which of course we know is CIA, left over from the Mujahideen. According to Angela's widow, in a deathbed statement,

18:41 These people trained Nichols in the art of bomb making and provided funding, which would mean it came from the CIA. Had the investigation in 1995 been allowed to progress in the direction of the Middle Eastern connection, it probably would have revealed this trail and that it would have led to Al Qaeda and bin Laden and the Trade Center tragedy on September 11th, which of course is the reason why it was not allowed.

19:08 to do that because all of that stuff that I just mentioned is all related to the CIA as well. So there you have it. My only question at this point is, did the CIA do Oklahoma bombing? And again, you would think that's outrageous to ask unless you understand Operation Gladio and realize that bombing buildings and killing

19:36 Tons of people is something they do on a regular basis under the direction of NATO. All of the intelligence agencies of all of the NATO countries have been guilty of doing this. Assassinating their own head of state, planting bombs, killing their own people, doing drive-by shootings. They've all been found to have done these things.

20:04 And at least in Italy's case, they actually admitted they did it. They admitted they killed a reporter because he was onto them. It was later found that they blew up an airplane to kill one of the government officials that was doing stuff they didn't want him to do. They blew up a bank. They blew up a train station. They blew up.

20:32 the train station in Spain and killed untold amount of people and injured hundreds of others. This is what they do. So only if you understand Operation Gladio can you put anything in perspective that has happened in the United States since World War II. And oh, by the way, don't forget, Ambassador Latier was killed in a car bombing.

21:01 in downtown DC, perpetrated by the CIA and their Cuban exiles. So just put that in perspective. This isn't a one-off. Moving on to chapter 33. This is the incident at Gila Bend, G-I-L-A Bend.

21:32 It was only five months after the bombing of the Murrah building when the next target on the category list was hit. On Monday, October 9th, 1995, the only mass transportation land target available in the United States was attacked. The news broke first on television, monopolizing the airwaves of the news stations, then spewing forth from the months of talking heads of the mainstream networks.

22:01 Domestic terrorists calling themselves Sons of Gestapo had derailed a passenger train near Hyder, Arizona. According to news reports, sometime around 1 a.m. in the morning, an Amtrak Sunset Limited passenger train en route from Phoenix to San Diego jumped the tracks in a remote mountain wilderness area northwest of Gilded Bend, Arizona.

22:29 This placed the location in Maricopa County, just outside of Phoenix. Two investigative agencies would come into play, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and the FBI. Three points were made by the news media. The rails had been sabotaged by someone who knew what they were doing, as they had effectively disabled the electronic warning system by using some type of jumper cables.

23:01 to bypass the disconnected rail. The area was extremely remote, almost inaccessible, and occurred on a downhill curve that S turned into a bridge. There was a note found at the scene that pointed directly towards what the media was labeling anti-government right-wing extremist. The note was signed, Sons of Gestapo, S-O-G.

23:31 The next morning, the author studied the aerial view of the scene depicted in the AP wire photo. Four passenger cars still coupled together were off the tracks laying on their side to one side of a small bridge with two angled down into a dry wash. The caption explained that 268 people were on board. One was killed and 100 injured. The article mentioned that the deputies found a message.

24:00 at the scene that mentioned Waco, Ruby Ridge, the FBI, and the ATF, and firearms. So I know a lot of people when we first tied Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma all together thought we were crazy. We were not. It sets up white nationalists, which is Ruby Ridge, Christians, which is

24:29 Waco, even if it's a cult Christian, and domestic terror with Oklahoma. And that became the narrative for the next 10 years. And it's back again. It is a propaganda psyops campaign in order to neuter anybody that wants to organize and do something

24:58 When you have a tyrannical government, they always do it first to put you on your heels. The entire thing is premeditated. It was from this single note that the media derived the idea that right-wing extremists were responsible. The article went on to mention that an electronic database search of U.S. newspapers, big and small, found no mention of Sons of Gestapo.

25:27 and a search of about six months worth of internet discussion groups on the internet found nothing either. After reading the rest of the article and watching the news networks broadcast for the remainder of the day, the author could see that something was definitely wrong. From his experience investigating Oklahoma and digging into various political groups that were suspect during the investigation, he felt that what was occurring was a continuation of an agenda.

25:58 He also knew that Maricopa County deputies would not have access to what we had discovered during our investigation in Oklahoma City, and that if the federal agencies followed the same course as they had in Oklahoma, and if they were directly controlled by the Department of Justice, the Maricopa deputies would find themselves left out of the picture concerning what might really have happened and who...

26:25 would be on the suspect list. He feared that if he was right in his analysis, and if the perpetrators were more than a pickup truckload of local radical bubba's, then the case might go much higher and eventually be covered up by DC. He knew from 26 years of experience as a law enforcement officer that there are hundreds of good, honest federal agents who tried their best to do a good job in investigating criminal events.

26:56 But he also knew that when certain crimes have a national or international perspective and politics regarding higher agendas are involved, then the investigation is taking out of their hands, both at the local level and the good FBI. When this happens, they are controlled from a much higher level, normally D.C., and because of his experience with the investigations of the events that form preceding chapters in this book.

27:25 He knew that if a higher level political agenda was being served in this case, the chances of a cover-up was significant. He also found the note signed by a group that neither he nor any of his law enforcement contacts had ever heard of was extremely strange. He felt that if...

27:49 He could read the full contents of the note. He might be able to determine if it was a legitimate claim or a false flag. If it was indeed a plan to lead the investigators into a particular narrative, it would mean a great deal to the case in determining the proper direction of the investigation. He also had found it very suspect that the location of the derailment was such a remote area. If a small group of saboteurs bent only on derailing a train were involved,

28:19 they would have picked a much more accessible place to vandalize the tracks. By picking such a remote place, the chance of discovery during a getaway was much greater than simply selecting a location only a mile out of town. He then spread out aerial and ground maps of the area and began studying the terrain. Both his military and aviation backgrounds came into play.

28:45 As he dissected the terrain features surrounding the crash site and noted several things that made him believe the job had been planned by professionals that knew exactly what they were doing. First, the railroad tracks ran fairly straight from Phoenix southwest to the northeast base of Gilda Bend Mountains. Then they made a gentle curve up through a mountain pass, then began a downgrade towards the bridge. Just before the bridge was a well-defined S.

29:14 It was here that the perpetrators had selected a rail and pulled 29 spikes, then installed the jumper to defeat the warning system. Beyond the bridge to the west, the tracks ran almost in a straight line to Yuma. The target point selected was in the most remote point along the route, at the end of the S-turn at a bridge over a dry wash, where a derailment would cause the most damage.

29:45 The aviation sectional map showed the bridge to cross a wash at the north end of a U-shaped valley. Mountains surrounded the sites on the north, west, and east. The most logical access route would have been from the south, which is fairly flat. What I saw as a pilot was that if the perpetrators came in on ground, they probably approached from the south,

30:16 Gelda Bend River. Though a dirt service road ran along the tracks, the distance they would have had to travel from and back a Securitas route would have been approximately 38 miles. Highway 8, which runs from Eloy, which is 30 miles south of Phoenix, to Yuma. The question that needed to be answered at this point concerned physical evidence that was not mentioned by the media.

30:48 Were the tracks of a vehicle, either four-wheel or dirt bike, going to and from the crime scene? If not, and the saboteurs had not been driven in, then he found himself wondering what other mode of ingress and egress would have occurred. By using his knowledge and background as a military officer and his police experience as a police helicopter pilot, he began analyzing the maps as if I was...

31:19 planning an operation. Taking in the terrain, time of night, weather obstacles, first he would want to be inserted and extracted by air, taking into account what happened to be a professional job of picking the target site. He surmised that a team would have formed and that they might have access to a helicopter. If the helicopter had been used, then it would be a simple job to fly in.

31:49 from the south, land near the bridge, drop off a team, leave the area, and then come back. Then he'd return to the site, pick up the team, and egress all above the hilltops. This, however, meant that the pilot would have to have flown in and out twice, which would draw attention from any hikers or campers. If the team was well trained, however, the pilot

32:18 could remain on the ground for an amount of time needed to pull out the spikes, then leave. Risky, but possible because it was very remote. The additional benefit to this section of the desert is the fact that the mountains would block radar from Phoenix and a helicopter could fly in low enough to not be noticed. He had additional reasons to consider the air insertion theory.

32:46 He had heard of covert operations trainings that had been conducted for some time only 90 minutes away at a highly secret base called Penal County Airpark. Known in aviation history as Marana, this airport is locked down secure facility for none other than Evergreen Airline, my old employer. It, of course,

33:16 has always been a CIA front company. Rumors ran rampant that during Iran-Contra, the airstrip had been one of several used for drug shipments. He knew the facility, which was located near Highway 10 that runs from Phoenix to Tucson, that they had access to military-type helicopters, and that a great deal of strange night training had been reported by passerbys.

33:46 Exactly what went on there behind the front of being a desert aircraft storage facility for various airlines, no one knew. Well, we know. But very reliable individuals had reported seeing both dark, unmarked helicopters and skydivers dropping en masse into the nearby desert wearing black uniforms and para-commander style parachutes.

34:17 Was some covert paramilitary agency training troops in Knight Commando style insertions? Yes, is the answer to that. He couldn't help but wonder if there might be a connection between the strange activities and nearby train derailment. He had to know more. And he wanted to see a copy of the actual Sons of Gestapo note. On the afternoon of October 10th, I sent the following to Sheriff Arpaio.

34:48 Here's a faxed message. It reads, I am a Tulsa Police Department officer who has worked with our local office and the FBI on the Oklahoma City bombing case. During that investigation, which is still ongoing, I had the occasion to discover many things that may be of interest to you and your investigators regarding the Amtrak case. First, from the information.

35:27 And then he lists several things, which I will go over. One, anyone who has been in the military and received training on...

35:39 Ground combat operations in guerrilla environments knows that the number one basic target for partisan guerrillas and terrorists who have limited resources are open, unsecure, remote stretches of railroad tracks. Simply by removing key structural components, such as the spikes, preferably over a bridge or a bend near a ravine, an entire train can be derailed. Number two, in special forces warfare.

36:07 at Fort Bragg, training manuals discuss teaching gorillas to do exactly what was described. Special emphasis is placed on the fact that it is easy to accomplish and that planners can pick remote sites. Three, this attack could have been accomplished by very few people, maybe only one. Not seeing the scene, I cannot comment. However, I definitely would not take a large team to do this. Four, question.

36:37 Were there any four-wheel drive tracks on the scene when the first outside elements arrived? If not, then whoever came in and performed the sabotage probably utilized a helicopter. If this is so, it is unlikely to be a local militia bunch. And if a helicopter was used, please contact me as I may be able to provide more information on where to look. Question number five.

37:03 In this section of track normally on the Amtrak run, is this section of track normally on the Amtrak run for Sunset Limited? If not, then someone would have known that it was a diverted run. Six, did anything in the note reflect on this particular train or would the saboteurs have settled for any train? Look very hard at the intelligence gathering capability of the sabotage team.

37:32 Concerning the timing of the train relative to the remote location, the section of track, and the fact that a freight train passed unmolested 18 hours previously. Seven, examine the structure grammar of the note carefully. The biggest flaw I see is that they call themselves son of Gestapo. My experience is that only those who learned English as a second language have a habit of leaving out the in the sentence.

38:01 This is most prevalent in speeches from Eastern Europeans, Middle Easterns, and Russians. Instead of saying, I am going to the car to get the book, these individuals say, I am going to car to get book. These individuals collate their native languages to ours by using their sentence structure and replacing the words for those in English. If they normally do not use the word the, then it will be missing.

38:29 If the writer of the note was someone who spoke English as a primary language, he or she would have used the word son of the Gestapo. Eight, the problem here is that no one would choose such a hokey name, not unless they were trying to shift attention to neo-Nazis. Even the so-called extreme right would not choose such a stupid incriminating name. Nine.

38:56 Any amateur investigator can see that whoever did this purposely attempted to leave evidence incriminating a so-called militia or paramilitary group, especially with the references to Waco and Ruby Ridge. They ran into the same thing at Oklahoma bombing, but McVeigh has very little, if any, ties to any militia. Still, the bomb was detonated on the anniversary of the Waco climax, which launched the media on a huge right-wing witch hunt.

39:25 10, during his investigation of militia groups, he has never come across anything called sons of Gestapo or anything even remotely like it. 11, ask yourself this question, who benefits? This is the most important question of all. I think you will find that if anything, these types of attacks are totally against everything the militia groups stand for.

39:53 In fact, if you can find any local members of such organizations, they will probably tell you that they would help guard railroad tracks, not destroy them. From my investigation, I discovered that the vast majority of paramilitary militia types are people who do not hate the government, nor are they anti-government. They simply fear the government.

40:17 and what has happened in Congress over the past two to three years. They especially fear attacks on the Second Amendment rights, but it does not fit a psychological profile of someone who would hurt innocent people. Twelve, the Waco and Ruby Ridge rallying cry on the notes neither has anything to do with trains, Amtrak, or Arizona. Someone who wanted to attack the government, FBI, or ATF.

40:44 would not do so by simply attacking some passenger train with no government connections. They would go after a government facility or personnel. 13. So back to who benefits. If the media plays this up with stage direction from Southern Poverty Law Center's Klan Watch, supported by Morris Dees and the ADL, just like what happened on day three of the Oklahoma bombing, when the thrust will be pressure.

41:10 to pass the stalled anti-terrorist bill. If you do not know what is contained in that bill, obtain a copy and read it carefully. 14, examination of the chronological facts. World Trade Center bombing occurs in New York City. Little national impact outside of the Northeast. Number two, Oklahoma City bombing. Massive news coverage nationwide. Manhunt focus shifts from Middle Easterners to militia.

41:38 under pre-planned manipulation of certain left-wing organizations in just over 24 hours. Anti-terrorism bill rejuvenated. Investigation stalls with capture of only McVeigh and Nichols, who obviously were not alone. Despite $2 million reward and hundreds of agents, no other arrests are made and the search for John Doe number two ends. Hyper-train derailment. Note, left in feeble attempts.

42:08 to point fingers at right-wing extremists or neo-Nazis or militia groups. Law enforcement is not so quick to jump on the bait this time. What's next? Upon examination of the events, we have these targets that have been subject to terrorists. World Trade Center, government building in Oklahoma, largest mass transportation vehicle and inventory, a train. Not only a train, it's Amtrak.

42:38 And it was hit in conservative Arizona, which also just happens to be an area reportedly inhibited by numerous militia groups. It is also the state where McVeigh visited Fortier, Kingman. If you follow this pattern, you find the world's largest civilian corporation building, a middle American federal building with massive loss of life and a passenger train of the five basic land-based terrorists.

43:05 targets only to remain an airliner and a large gathering of people, the Black Sunday scenario. If these events are related and the same people are involved for whatever motive, it would follow that a civilian airliner and maybe a sporting event would be a candidate for future domestic terrorist events. If your investigators would like to visit with me or compare notes, I'd be happy to share any ideas, theories, and information.

43:31 That might assist your case. I think my five months of investigating Oklahoma City to date might provide a few items of interest that could relate to the Amtrak. I would be particularly interested in knowing if the possibility exists that a helicopter may have been used in this event. If so, I may be able to provide further leads. End of message. Two days after sending the facts, he received a phone call from the sheriff's.

44:00 working the case. He told me that he had been given the facts and was going to pass it along to a lieutenant in charge of the sheriff's investigation team. He also told me that if it's a madhouse and the FBI was pulling agents in from all over, all they have us doing is fetching coffee, he said. I asked if they were sharing information and he laughed. They're the big FBI pros. We're a bunch of Hick deputies to them.

44:30 The author sympathized with him. He said, I had been down the same road myself a few times in dealing with the feds. He promised to have the lieutenant call me. The next step was to begin calling some of his contacts who had expertise in various fields that could be relevant to the case. The first and most important contact he made was with a federal officer who must remain anonymous to protect him from repercussions.

45:00 That's a sad state, but true. For the purpose of the story, we will call him Jack. Jack's expertise was in the area of government and civilian aviation operations, and he had contacts throughout NTSB, FAA, and other agencies. He called Jack and spent over an hour discussing the case. Like me, he pulled out his aviation maps and studied the area, and like me,

45:24 He was also a pilot with military and civilian experience in both fixed wing and rotary aircraft. We eventually arrived at four possibilities of what may have occurred if this was indeed a professional team insertion. First, a helicopter flew in, dropped the team, left, came back and pulled them out. Second, a helicopter flew in, waited on the ground while the job was done, then flew the team out. Third.

45:50 They jumped in, then were recovered by a helicopter either just after the mission was accomplished or when a huge number of medical news and emergency helicopters arrived after the derailment. In this scenario, it would be simple for a helicopter to show up as one of many, load up the quote-unquote victims, then leave the scene without anyone taking particular notice. The last scenario would involve a ground insertion and extraction by vehicle.

46:20 Proof that this involved a ground insertion and extraction by vehicle. To prove this last possibility was the case, it would depend on what information came back from Maricopa County in regards to the tracking of vehicles in and out of the area. Jack decided that it would be pertinent to check the weather conditions the night of the incident. As he broke loose to do this, the author began making notes.

46:50 Meanwhile, the FBI, who had dubbed the case Operation Split Rail, continued the investigation in Arizona. Within two days, they were exploring the possibility that the note was a plant and that the saboteurs might not be a terrorist group at all, but the possible railroad employee that was disgruntled. Such an individual might have a working knowledge of how to derail a train and also disable a warning device, something so-called militia types.

47:20 would probably not even think of. Also at the time, the governor of Arizona, Fife Symington, told the press that he would read one version of the note that was left at the scene and said that there were several versions, but most were comparable in terms. Several versions of a note? Like they were just what?

47:43 twiddle in time away, writing a note, throwing it into the wind, and then writing another note and another note. The acting special agent in charge of Phoenix office for the FBI, sorry about that, he's hung from the car show in case you can't tell. Larry McCormick said he believed the case was the Bureau's second biggest crime scene investigation after Oklahoma City bombing, encompassing over a square mile of ragged,

48:16 The assistant U.S. attorney, Janet Napolitano, stated that we are going to pursue every bit of evidence and every lead very thoroughly until we find the person or persons who committed the crime. I remember Janet Reno saying the same thing about Oklahoma and then basically did nothing of the sort. The unnamed source leaked.

48:50 An unnamed source leaked to the AP that the case had been put under Assistant FBI Director Robert Bryant, who heads the Bureau's National Security Division. According to the source, Bryant's National Security Division has the case because it was potential to become a terrorism case. But we have not reached any conclusions, they said.

49:15 It appeared that the public, by way of the media, was being mentally prepared for the eventuality that the Amtrak derailment was going to be another domestic terrorist event. When Jack called him back, he was elated at what he had discovered. First, the weather on the night in question was this, a full moon, wind out of the south at eight knots and a clear sky. It would have been ideal for a night air operation.

49:45 Next, he was almost choking when he said, guess what else I dug up? I pulled some strings and had the Albuquerque Center run their radar tapes for that night, and you won't believe what they found. We've got a target. What kind of target? You mean over the site? More than that, we have a BFR target squawking 1200 that left Tri-City Airfield in Albuquerque on a southwest course.

50:13 climbed to 10,000 feet. Then, when it was exactly due north of the Amtrak site, turned due west and flew a course line that took it one mile south of the site. Just before arriving over the site, it dropped to 8,500 feet after crossing the target zone. It turned on a southwesterly course towards California at 8,500 feet. Albuquerque contacted LA Center.

50:42 which tracked the aircraft to a landing at Montgomery Field in San Diego. What was the time frame? It crossed the valley south of the bridge at 19.40 hours, 7.40 p.m., on a full moon night with the wind out of the south. The plane was one mile south of the bridge, which would compensate for wind drift. Things were beginning to fall into place. You know what we need to do now? We need to contact the DEA.

51:12 or Air Force guys down at Tucson or Yuma and have them run their radar tapes for that night from the Aerostat drug balloon radar units. The DEA and Air Force have several tethered blimp-type balloons staked out along the border with down-looking radar to watch for low-flying drug flights. They miss a lot of them. If a helicopter was involved in a pickup, which may have approached from the south,

51:42 as we speculated, then they might have it on tape. Can you get that information, he asked. Jack said he'd get on it. His next contact was Maricopa County, came from a detective working on the case. He had read my initial facts and called to explain that his people were taking an interest in the possibility I mentioned. For starters, he said that they had conducted a search and had not located any ground vehicle coming into the scene, other than those that had.

52:12 were attributed to the rescuers or media. No tracks extended across the desert, and they were now exploring our suggestion of an air insert being involved. It still seemed far-fetched, but the idea of air assets being used was beginning to carry more weight as the investigation progressed. He asked if I could put my ideas together in a more detailed memo and fax it to him.

52:42 He did another memo. Says, considering the nature of the area and terrain at the derailment site, it would appear from aviation maps that entering by four-wheel drive vehicle would be very unlikely. Blah, blah, blah. Air assets. If there is a complete lack of tire tracks entering the area from a circumferential search of the crime scene accomplished.

53:11 at a distance far enough away to preclude contamination by rescuers, then it would appear air assets were used. Two modes of insertion became apparent, helicopter and parachute. The most likely insertion and extraction mode would be by helicopter. The same helicopter could fly at a low level after dark from the south and by following the canyon.

53:35 indicated on the aviation sectional maps, fly north from Painted Rock Dam until intersecting with the railroad. It would be a simple matter of dropping a few people off, exit the area, come back and pick them up. A second method of egress would be for such individuals to hide nearby, watch the train derailment, and then enter the scene when rescuers arrived. They could then blend in with the massive traffic and be extracted as victims or rescuers.

54:04 The second most likely method of ingress would be by parachute, halo, high altitude, low opening. Please do not rule this out as there is some basis for this observation. Radar track records show a target aircraft squawking 1,200 visual flight rules on a radar transponder at 17, 1940 hours.

54:32 on the night of the derailment, flying east to west at an altitude of approximately 800 feet. This radar track was recorded by FAA air traffic control. This target passed a mile south of the wreck site, which put it over the relatively flat open area of the canyon north of the horseshoe bend. It would be a simple matter to drop Halo skydivers to this ground level.

55:01 wherein they can hide their shoes and walk north to the railroad site. They could then be extracted later. Items to note, organized training for Halo night drops by paramilitary teams have been reportedly been conducted in deserts for the past two years in a remote location, an hour and a half flying time from the wreck site. According to sources, these drops have occurred

55:29 on an almost nightly basis near an airport located approximately 108 nautical miles east-southeast from the wreck site. The individuals are parachutists who jump from twin-engine cargo planes. They jump at dusk and after dark, utilizing square steerable parachutes that are black in color, according to some of the local sources and newspaper reporters. Some of these individuals have been encountered by hikers in the mountains.

55:59 They say that they're conducting military exercises. This same organization also has access to numerous helicopters of various sizes and configurations. There may be no connection between the above organization and Amtrak incident. However, if ground infiltration and egress is ruled out, air assets has to be considered. There is a DEA aerostat tethered radar balloon located in Yuma.

56:29 that is capable of a look down observation for low-level aircraft. Your office can request a check of the radar photo records to see if any high or low-level aircraft, such as helicopters, flew into that area within a 24-hour time frame. A request would probably be served if the time frame was narrowed to approximately the time of darkness on the night of the derailment.

56:55 Of particular interest would be the radar track to determine points of origin and or termination of flight. If the flight was picked up near a closed former military auxiliary strip, such as Luke 11, which was just south of the site, further investigation of radar records would be required to determine if a target arriving at the location would have originated.

57:21 If anyone from your office would like further information on this, I can be contacted at whatever number he gave them. The next day, Jack called. I could tell the satisfaction in his voice when he said, bingo, what do you have? I talked to a master sergeant at Yuma. He said his people would be more than happy to help out with the aerostat radar search. Seems they get bored and this would give them something to do. Said he'd get back with me as soon as he could.

57:51 Great. If they come up with a low-level target, going into the site from the south, say at 80 or so knots, then I have my helicopter. So with your high-level target that came out of Albuquerque, Dumbo. What? That's what we call the airplane. I love code words.

58:14 Yeah, well, all we need now is a hummingbird and we'll have this thing nailed. The biggest question, though, is who is these guys? Maybe Yuma can tell us that if we follow a radar target back to its base. Correct. The next day from Maricopa County was the next call, sorry, from Maricopa County was from the lieutenant in charge of the investigation. Jack codenamed him Ringmaster.

58:45 Everybody has to have a call sign. I gave him a brief oral resume of my background, a short rundown of my experience with Oklahoma City. So how's the FBI treating you guys, Lieutenant? I asked him. Let me put it this way. They are chasing ghosts out here and pissing a lot of people off. And as far as they're concerned, they're just baggage. The sheriff told me that we have a homicide involved.

59:12 That is our jurisdiction and that we are going to work this thing until we either make a bust, run out of leads, or whatever. It doesn't matter what the feds do. We're working this case our way with or without them. I was always gratified to find local law enforcement officers at the local level that searched for the truth no matter what the politics were. We chatted a few minutes, then I broke a question.

59:40 Any chance on seeing a copy of the son of Gestapo note? Sure, we've got a copy and I can fax it to you. It doesn't really say much of anything though. No matter, I just wanna eyeball it and see if anything stands out that might be of interest. Sure, no problem, here it comes. Five minutes later, he was reading a copy of it. Here's what it said. Indictment of the ATF and the FBI. Before dawn, the women awoke to say their morning prayers.

1:00:11 The women slept upstairs. They lit their kerosene lamps because the electricity had been turned off by the FBI. After observing lights in all of the upstairs window, the FBI ordered the tear gas bombardment. Afterwards, only two upstairs windows were lit. The location of each was recorded. Over the next few hours, ventilation holes were poked into the walls. These holes made the fire burn.

1:00:41 Very much faster. What? Otherwise, the fire department would have had time to put out the fire before the women and children died in the flames. At noon, the light from the two kerosene lamps was obscured by bright sunlight. Everyone had forgotten about them except the man who carried their locations written on a scrap of paper in his pocket. He ordered the tank drivers where to crash through.

1:01:11 Guess under which two windows? He ordered them to raise their guns. As they backed out, the guns were lowered. The videotape shows clearly the floor being raised by the tank a foot and a half. Guess what happened to the kerosene lamps in the rooms above the tanks? A minute afterwards, black smoke started to pour out of the windows where the lamps had burned. This is the normal time needed for a kerosene fire to build up.

1:01:40 Who is policing the ATF, FBI, state troopers, county sheriffs, and local police? What federal law enforcement agency investigates each and every chokehold killing committed by a police officer? Each and every beating of a drunk, whether or not a passerby videotapes it. Each and every shooting of a police officer's wife who knows too much about drug kickbacks. Each and every killing at Ruby Ridge.

1:02:08 The Gestapo accounts to no one. This is not Nazi Germany. All these people had rights. It is time for an independent federal agency to police the law enforcement agencies and other government employees. Signed, Sons of Gestapo, SOG. To me, the note seemed to contradict itself in several areas. I especially noted that there was no explanation of the reason behind the derailment.

1:02:39 I also noted that the last paragraph, the writer condemns Nazi Germany and Gestapo tactics, then signs the note, sons of the Gestapo. I also saw for the first time that there was the word the, but what I saw that really raised my eyebrows was the letter S-O-G. Maybe it was nothing, but as an old Southeast Asia hand,

1:03:09 I remember one of the terms used by the Phoenix program assassins was MACV-SOG, study and observation group. They were a twisted version of the last acronym. Yeah, I'm a SOG, a son of the Gestapo. Was this some type of message being sent to others who would know the meaning?

1:03:42 Or was it just a coincidence? Without an arrest or more clues, we'd never know. He typed up a memo regarding his analysis of the note. And we're almost done. I'm just going to finish the chapter. It'll be a little longer tonight. Lieutenant, good to talk to you yesterday. I had a large packet of information on the topic we discussed, and I will drop it in the mail. I received the SOG note.

1:04:15 and have given it some study. Considering my research into various political groups and mentalities of various factions we discussed, I have a few observations. One, was this note given to you by the FBI, and did you have a chance to see the actual original note or make sure they were identical? Two, is it possible that someone could take the original note, retype it on a computer, and issue a retyped version to you or the media?

1:04:42 I asked these two questions because I wonder why, since they are computer-generated notes, the FBI confiscated the suspect's typewriters, or if they did. Were there other notes sent to the railroad that we don't know about? Also, I can't help but wonder why all the press releases refer to them as sons of Gestapo on day one, and the note clearly has the word the in it.

1:05:10 I can't help but note that the acronym SOG with a line under it, over it, not under it. Is there some significance? Regarding the note itself, it appears to be a feeble attempt to hook things up to right-wing extremists, especially the militias, without especially naming them.

1:05:31 This might be because the time of the wreck occurred, the militias had already fought their public relations battle in the media with Washington to the point where anyone behind this was hesitant to point a finger at them for fear of raising public eyebrows. It could be.

1:05:47 that there is absolutely no connection to any right-wing political or paramilitary group. The reason is there is no one in the conservative side that wants bigger government and especially a super watchdog or superior law enforcement agency. Yeah, thank. I also find suspect the fact that the writers state the Gestapo accounts to no one. This is not Nazi Germany. Then goes on to call themselves sons of the Gestapo.

1:06:16 What in the world is that supposed to mean? I think it's all smoke and mirrors and it appears to me that the whole thing is an attempted diversion away from real perpetrators. Whoever did the derailment is very dedicated to doing it in that particular spot as there were so many other accessible locations that would have served the purpose except for the bridge over the dry wash. Still, they would have had to have had.

1:06:44 a topical map, a railroad map, or an aerial map to see the tracks where they turn and where the bridge starts. Let's examine the last paragraph and try to get inside the guy's head. Who is policing the ATF, FBI, state troopers, county sheriffs, and local police? This statement is basically who watched the watchers and who guards the guardians. It lumps federal and local enforcement together in the same boat.

1:07:12 which the militia and right wing do not ever do. They simply suspect feds and sometimes distress local sheriffs, but they certainly don't lump them together. White federal law enforcement agency investigates each other and every chokehold killing committed by a police officer.

1:07:32 No one in the right wing wants a federal bureau to interfere in local affairs. They do not trust the FBI nor the federal courts to be oversight committees. The note went on, each and every beating of a drunk, whether or not a passerby videotapes it. Note the non-capitalized each, which was at the beginning of the sentence. Also, this statement obviously is referring to the Rodney King affair.

1:08:01 Each and every shooting of a police officer's wife who knows too much about drug kickbacks. This might refer to the Arkansas state trooper's wife who committed suicide because she knew too much about the drug smuggling in Arkansas during the Clinton governorship. But now we have a guy who damns and accuses local law enforcement, then wants to stick up for us, question mark. Yeah, and I don't believe she committed suicide either.

1:08:33 Each and every killing at Ruby Ridge, this reference plus the first Waco paragraph are definite fingers pointing at groups on the right. The Gestapo accounts to no one. This is not Nazi Germany. All these people had rights, blah, blah, blah. Again, no one on the right would have suggested such a thing. They would have demanded states' rights and the 10th Amendment restrictions on federal Gestapo agencies. They definitely would not have demanded a new and super.

1:09:03 federal agency to be an oversight or watchdog outfit. Almost three hours in. Hold on. One last thought. The heading is indictment of the ATF and FBI. What does the railroad or Amtrak have to do with either one of those? This is what I would call a publicity hit. It is done for media effect, not for revenge or to make a political statement.

1:09:36 That's why I can't help but wonder who benefits. I keep coming back to the anti-terrorism bill in Congress. I would suggest that you do not make the same mistake that Dallas Homicide Bureau did in November of 63. I would work this case as a local homicide case and keep the investigation separate from the FBI. Let me know if there's anything else I can do. The investigation drug on through December with little headway.

1:10:06 By then, the FBI had raided the suspect's home in California and confiscated his typewriter and some large railroad tools. He allegedly fit the profile of a disgruntled railroad employee. Eventually, they let him go and returned to Arizona. On the same day as the California suspect's house was searched,

1:10:29 The author received a fax from a contact that contained an extract from the FBI Behavioral Science Unit psychology report on the quote-unquote actor responsible for the derailment. According to his source, the unit analyzed sons of the Gestapo note and discounted the right-wing theory. Then they began concentrating on the disgruntled employee theory, which accounted for the raid on the California house.

1:10:57 They also had been working with a local theory and that such a person or persons may have intended to loot the train. His source wrote, another possibility which brings us back to the right wing may be an attempt to embarrass the FBI so as to allude to their incompetence by not solving the case or possibly suggest the FBI needs to be strengthened to prevent such occurrences in the future, which would result in the passage of the.

1:11:28 anti-terrorism bill. The FBI analysis of the note mentioned that the possible actor had a blue collar working knowledge but not familiarity with the railroads, had specific knowledge of the area of the derailment, had a lot of anger, then went on to ask disgruntled employee, former employee, local resident affected by the railroad or a railroad customer.

1:11:57 The end paragraph of the analysis is quite telling. In it, the writer states that it appears the note that was left may have been left to distract the investigators away from an actor as the actor feels that the crime scene would point to him quickly. In the interim,

1:12:20 Jack and the author had begun eagerly waiting for a response from the aerostat radar unit in Arizona. Finally, Jack called and reached the master sergeant whom he had first contact with. He said, sorry, we can't help you out. What? Why? The plug's been pulled. What do you mean? The sergeant sounded very uncomfortable and said, we really wanted to check this out. But all I can say is that the balloons were down that night. Why?

1:12:49 maintenance, he said. All of them? Yes, sir. But he sounded very nervous. Why? All I can tell you is that we were ordered down for maintenance. It came from above my pay grade. That ended it. There was no cooperation from DEA or the Air Force. We couldn't help but wonder who above the sergeant's pay grade had ordered only radar assets available in the region down for maintenance.

1:13:18 They may have not been down for maintenance. They may have been told they're not allowed to have them. They may have been blanked out, blah, blah, blah. We reasoned that the order had to have come down from Washington. But why would Washington be concerned with routine maintenance? And why all the balloons? It was obvious to us that the balloons had been up. They were ordered not to release the radar information or someone did not want to look down capabilities.

1:13:51 us to have access to the look down capabilities that night. No right wing bunch of Gestapo militia types had the capability of pulling this off. It was obvious that the investigation was like Oklahoma being steered. Jack and the author decided to get together and compare notes. Both he and the author were scheduled to be in Phoenix in January and planned on meeting with some of the Maricopa County investigators. We saw a little more that we could do.

1:14:20 to help out other than make them aware of the possibilities of a much bigger picture. To protect those involved in the investigation who we met with in Phoenix, he only provides the reader with the meeting lasted almost three hours. When we went over the maps, reports, and the various plausible scenarios regarding the

1:14:46 all aspects of the case that were known. The Maricopa County element was very receptive, though somewhat skeptical about the possibilities of shady commandos parachuting in. We war-gamed each scenario, but kept arriving back at the same elements that we could not ignore. The radar track

1:15:06 of the unidentified aircraft, the timeframe it occurred, the fact that all of the radar balloons were mysteriously down that night with an inadequate explanation from the military, the lack of ingress and egress tracks, the evidence non-existent of any group before or since with that name. There was another odd element.

1:15:29 One of Maricopa's sources advised us that they were chasing down a rumor that two campers that reported seeing men in parachutes dropping in the vicinity. At the same time, their unofficial meeting occurred. The FBI was busy in the local community that bordered the wilderness area. According to the Arizona Republic, residents of the vicinity complained that the FBI was harassing them. But the FBI said,

1:16:01 a majority of those questioned have willingly cooperated. Quote, I understand that there are some desert rats out there who naturally don't like authority, but we have to follow up, unquote. Interestingly, the FBI asked the local residents questions about knowledge of local militia units. Buddy, you don't get three people out here to get together on what kind of pickup truck to drive.

1:16:30 think that we're going to form a militia. In other words, they're all very dependent, independent. The article mentioned, quote, of new interest to authorities is the notes reference to an unnamed police officer's wife who was shot because she knew too much about drug-related activities. Officers have failed to connect the reference to any actual law enforcement incident, unquote. I couldn't help but wonder if this incident

1:17:00 was that concerning the Arkansas police officer that was, and he used air quotes, suicided on June 12th, 1994 in Arkansas. On that date, the body of an Arkansas officer, Bill Shelton, was found dead on his girlfriend's grave with a bullet behind his right ear. His girlfriend, Kathy Ferguson, was the former wife of Arkansas state trooper who had been

1:17:30 being sued along with President Clinton in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit. Ferguson had been killed exactly a month later, on May 12th, and her death was being investigated as a quote-unquote suicide. Cause of death was a gunshot wound to the right temple, according to The Economist, which is a CIA MI6 rag. Ferguson had been

1:17:58 collaborating with Mrs. Jones and may have been aware of details of other activities at the time. Whether these other activities included Iran-Contra and MENA was not mentioned. But if the motives behind her death did involve knowledge of cocaine smuggling, it would correlate with the mention in the Gestapo note about a police officer's wife being shot for knowing too much.

1:18:25 When we left the meeting with our Maricopa contacts, one asked, what do you think we could do next? We're out of leads. If there's more to this than a couple of renegade malcontents deciding to derail a train, then leaving a note as a false trail, then I'd say it would be interesting to just fire a shot downrange and see what sticks. How's that?

1:18:50 You might consider leaking the word that your agency was interested in the possible connection between the activists at Marana and what happened at Hyder. You might even mention that you are following up on the idea that someone may have used air assets to attack the railroad, that you've heard rumors of helicopters and guys in parachutes, and that you plan to get together with the penal county folks and see about paying a visit to Marana.

1:19:19 Then just sit back and see what happens. If you're told to stay away or you're obstructed from looking in that direction, then that would tell you something. Whether or not this bait was leaked, I don't know. But within a week after our visit, the investigation seemed to trickle to a halt and no further mention was made in the media about the event.

1:19:44 The last contact that we had with the Maricopa County Sheriff deputies came in the form of a telephone call from one of our contacts soon after the meeting. You know the five types of terrorist targets you listed? Yes. Well, we've got the Super Bowl coming up in a few days. That would sure fit a large gathering. Yes, it definitely would. I don't know if they, whoever they are.

1:20:11 would try something so close to that event or not. If my theory holds water, these attacks, if they're related and part of someone's agenda, seems to be geographically spaced across the country. The World Trade Center bombing was in New York, the Mara building was in the middle of the country, and Amtrak was in the West. I would suspect that the next incident...

1:20:34 if there is one, would be either on the coast or in the northern Midwest or possibly back on the East Coast again. But it wouldn't hurt to lay some extra security on. We're planning on that. One last thing that was bothering me that you should give some consideration to. If the perpetrators of these crimes have Middle Eastern connections and are really professional terrorists, don't discount the possibility of...

1:21:02 chemical or biological weapons being used. Saddam Hussein and Iran both had them. And if they had them, so does the Islamic terrorist. He left out the CIA because that's where they both got theirs. Also, and this sounds like something out of a Hollywood thriller, someone inside this country who wants to blame the jihad types might try the same thing. Watch the water and food supplies.

1:21:31 I don't know how we'll do that, but I'll pass it along. One more thing to watch. There are two types of targets left. Besides a large gathering of people, you also have mass transit air. They just might try an airliner. Six months later, on a major Iraqi holiday, TWA-800 fell from the sky in a fireball over the Atlantic Ocean. Then there was one left. That's it.

1:22:05 And of course, we know what happened. We had our large gathering in Las Vegas with weird black helicopters flying around out of Arizona, oddly enough. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Yes, just a coincidence. Crazy shit. I didn't even remember until I read this book about that railroad. I forgot all about it. That's crazy shit. All right.

1:22:45 What you got stellar? Oh my gosh. These last couple of days that I've been able to listen to your, um, this book. Oh my gosh. I was alive through a lot of this stuff. And a lot of these things I questioned, a lot of this stuff from this book is like, and you know, those fuckers suck. Sorry. Sorry about the F words, but they really, truly suck. And those black helicopters, those black helicopters, the black helicopters. I'm telling you. Well,

1:23:16 I did, at Donnie Vision and Bridget's recommendation, I did reach out to the author to see if we could get him on a show. I would love to talk to him. So thanks for the recommendation, Donnie Vision. Warhamster, how are you tonight? Oh, I'm frazzled. I caught maybe one-fifth of what you were saying tonight.

1:23:46 I've got so much going on, phone ringing off the hook, all that stuff. So I can't comment on tonight's subject. Besides, one little thing I thought would be fun. I did catch you say that The Economist was a CIA MI6 creature. Yeah. And I get why you say that. So I had a little bit of fun while I was listening. And since I've been reading The Economist my entire professional career, I've grown increasingly infuriated with their globalist stuff. Right.

1:24:17 So I type into Grok, I go, you know, who founded The Economist and what were their Fabian or other ties that have been part of our conversation? And I came back and said, you know, well, The Economist was founded as a free market type situation fighting the corn laws, which we all know. Well, I did. And then he said, you know, they promoted stuff like free trade and globalism. I said, oh, okay, Grok.

1:24:45 Let me rephrase the question. And I said, consider that globalism is now opposed to free markets and rewrite your response. Oh, and it came back with some fun stuff, talking about supporting intelligence and stuff like that. I mean, I don't want to read this whole thing for you because this is a short blast type of interaction on these spaces, but it was pretty darn hilarious. Grok actually got it right on his second try, mostly.

1:25:15 Yeah. And in Fabian Highway, The Economist came up a couple of different times as far as people who had been the editor, being the London School of Economic Graduates and that type of thing, which is why I say that. Yeah, I get where you're coming from. The fact that you said it the way you did. You're fact checking me in real time. I love it. Well, the story of The Economist probably deserves a show because it's.

1:25:46 It's a glaring example of exactly what we've been talking about. Terms change, everybody. James Wilson, who founded The Economist, was a true liberal. I mean, he was an absolute hero. He absolutely hated government intervention. But if you call him a liberal today, what does that mean? Something totally different. Right. And the British Liberal Party through much of the 19th and early 20th century were pretty respectable.

1:26:15 Their liberal party are people I would agree with. Right. And we're going to be covering some of that, which is my segue into, gosh darn it, I wish we'd gotten to do our show today. I know. I've got so much. I mean, it's a 90-minute show minimum if we get through everything I want to do. But I'm here to announce that my lovely bride has given me permission to do the show tomorrow, noon Eastern, until about 1.30. Awesome. So I will see you there.

1:26:45 Yeah, y'all don't want to miss this show. What time was that again tomorrow? 12. Yeah, noon Eastern. Okay, so that's 9 o'clock West Coast. Thank you. Yeah, it's going to be a great show. Yeah, I wanted to get through about 15 pilgrims tomorrow. We're not. We're going to get through five. I was going to say, he sent me the list today or yesterday, and I'm like,

1:27:13 What the hell? Are we just going to say like five things about him? We actually have to put Winston Churchill on the back burner for next Friday because he's too big. And I'm going to try to cut him down to 10 minutes, but it's not going to be easy because he's such an integral part of the entire narrative. Because he wore so many hats and many of them didn't fit very well.

1:27:40 Just so you know, I'm not a Churchill fan. Me neither. Gee, I wonder how you came to that conclusion. Did you actually read real history? I did. Boy, shame on you. Not the fabricated kind. Nah, but the fun names to look forward to tomorrow. Should I give them a little bit of a teaser? Give them two. We'll have Lord Acton for sure. We're going to have the Astors, and I'll debunk a couple myths on them.

1:28:08 But the guy I'm really looking forward to closing with is, don't draw a blank right now, Brady, George Marshall. Yes. And the problem with doing Marshall last is I'll have about 10 minutes worth of stuff to say, and the colonel, just out of her memory, is going to have another 20 minutes. And that's if she decides to be short-winded, which doesn't always happen.

1:28:38 So we may end up going a little long tomorrow, but I can probably buy an extra little bit of time. But it really needs, the lineup tomorrow needs, those five need to be done together. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Big clump of shit. Tomorrow's going to be really interesting. Yeah. Okay. So that's it for today. And like I said, I think we've got.

1:29:08 Um, maybe, yeah, we don't even have a whole show, um, left. Um, it's just the little bit, um, at the end. So we will probably on Monday start a new book and, um, I'm just torn as to which one we need to do, but I have four sitting here. What are you choosing? What are your choices? Um,

1:29:34 don't make me say, because then everybody's going to tell me what they want me to do. Well, you can tell me offline because there's a couple that we've talked about that I'm really hoping you don't do yet because we're getting ready to hit on some of them. And I hope you don't do that here because that'll kind of kill the thunder. It will not be any of the ones that you're worried about. The ones that, like...

1:29:59 The two that has been sitting here the longest and they keep getting usurped, I'll just go ahead and tell you. There are two of my favorite books that I've ever read on this subject. And one of them is The Politics of Heroin by Alfred McCoy. And the other one is The Great Heroin Coup by Hendrick Kruger. And both of those books are critical to our study. I've read both of them and I read them like.

1:30:26 Three years ago. So everybody. The colonel is telling us. She reads a lot more about heroin. Than I do. And we're not going to ask any questions about that. I know a lot about heroin. Unfortunately. And yeah. So anyway. But there's so many. This other book. Joseph Smith. The Portrait of a Cold Warrior. Amazing book.

1:30:56 But let me just share with you guys something. I am almost done. I'm a big fan of Jonathan Quitney. He's fabulous. I've read probably several of his books. So I had not read this book, but I was talking to someone a couple of weeks ago. And it's called Vicious Circles.

1:31:24 And the whole book's about the mafia. And of course, you can't talk about the CIA without talking about the mafia for all of the various reasons that we've talked about for the last four years. But what is most interesting, and I'll probably just do a show, a single show on this book, because there's a lot of information in here. But did you guys know that at one time,

1:31:51 The mafia controlled the entire mozzarella industry in the United States. The entire mozzarella industry was ran by the mafia. Now, war hamsters, see if this sounds familiar. So what they would do is they went into the...

1:32:15 farmlands like in New York and Wisconsin. And they would basically establish a contract with dairy farmers. And most dairy farmers, if you guys know, are co-ops. And so it reaches across multiple farms in the area. And they would get basically like a sole source contract with these guys and then not pay them.

1:32:45 And you were, they would take the milk to their cheese factories and they all used union employers, employees, and they owned the unions. Then they had cheese associations and they owned the association people. And Kraft Cheese was so petrified of the mafia's

1:33:13 stranglehold on mozzarella for the longest time, they didn't have any lines of mozzarella at all. They didn't want to deal with the mafia. They were afraid of the mafia. And they literally for almost ever did not carry mozzarella cheese. And obviously the reason was that for the most part in Chicago and New York, the mafia controlled the entire pizza industry. So they literally had every

1:33:43 part of this chain set up. But here's what's really interesting. So they didn't pay their milk bill. And one of them was a million dollars out of one co-opt. And so they were basically bankrupting all of these dairy farmers. And they were doing it under shell companies.

1:34:11 And then as soon as they like milked them dry, literally, they would bankrupt that entity and move to another area. And they just perpetually kept doing this. So they basically had no cost into the cheese, but had a monopoly on it so that they could charge whatever price they wanted. And oh, by the way, the people that were buying the preponderance of the mozzarella.

1:34:38 were union people working in restaurants and particularly pizza. And so I'm looking at this whole model and I'm going, well, that's the same damn thing they did with the book that I read called Belly Up, where they had all of the banking.

1:34:58 and the one that we read of Pete Bruton with the savings and loan, where they were basically just like milking dry all of these banking entities. And then you start going through here and they were doing the same thing with the garment industry. They were doing the same thing with all of those trucking, with the teamsters.

1:35:21 It's crazy. They literally own every level, the association. They have executives at the particular companies that are on, they're getting kickbacks out of the mafia. And so you come away from these books that this is like the 10th one I've read that's just about mafia operations. And you realize there's actually no real trade associations, none. They're all compromised.

1:35:51 So what the colonel just described, by the way, the exact same thing happened with the olive oil business. Oh, it's in here. It's in here. Yeah. Yeah. Olive oil is all about that. But the colonel just described is the exact same mercantilist crony capitalist system that the founding that we've been talking about, that the founding fathers fought a revolution against. They stole the model from the British East India Company who stole it from the Dutch East India Company. This has been around for more than 500 years and probably longer than that.

1:36:19 The difference is the mafia didn't use the government to do it. They basically did it outside of the government. But it's the exact same business model that Alexander Hamilton imposed on our country when he became Secretary of Treasury. Same crony capitalist model. It is identical over and over again. Once you get protective tariffs, when you get to decide who gets to participate in the markets, you get corruption. And yeah, that is fundamental.

1:36:48 Fundamental to our thesis. That is exactly what they did is they decided who participated in what markets. And if you would not pay your dues to join whatever the association, the union, whatever level you were at, they kill you. Yeah, the difference is, you know, when the government is picking the winners and losers, you probably live. When the mafia is doing it, well, they're a little bit more ruthless. Yes.

1:37:19 But if it's a business model, it's identical. I don't know. Even when the government's doing it, they hire the mafia to kill you. Well, it depends on which government, which time period, but yes. I mean, that's what happened to Rosali when they found him in the 50. I mean, he was mafia and he was going to go testify and they found him in a 50 gallon drum.

1:37:43 That's what Robert Mayhew did. He was the go-between for the CIA and the mob. He hired all the hits. Why do you think we call governments protection rackets? And they're not protecting you, the voters and the taxpayers. They're protecting the insider, just like the mafia does. It is a protection racket. That is this mercantilist system we've been screaming about for years. That's exactly what it is. It is a business model.

1:38:13 The mafia didn't invent it. Correct. They made it better in some ways. It was invented in, well, we know where it was, the whole mercantilist system. It's been around a long time, and that is your enemy. You can scream and moan about Democrats and Republicans and stuff like that. They're not the problem. The problem is the business model, the protection racket. It's corruption. So I'm going to tell you a funny story.

1:38:42 We had growing up down here in Florida, two families that, and I shared part of the story with you, that one family that we were very close to growing up, their kids, one family moved here from, and I mean, we're in the middle of nowhere at the time. Lakeland was very small. We had two families, one moved from New York and one moved from Chicago. Both were Italian, both obvious based on the...

1:39:10 fact that neither one of the fathers worked, that they were mafia. It was just very apparent. And so as kids, you whisper about, what's going on with that? Because one of them's dad, like every couple of weeks would be gone for four or five days and come back and buy a new car.

1:39:40 buy some new trinket or whatever. In cash. Always cash. And so you fast forward to when we went on that Karsh trip a couple of months ago and one of the kids who was a little older than me, so I didn't really know him. We were sitting there ironically eating pizza one night and

1:40:10 I said something about doing this research and learning all about the mafia. And he's like, yeah, my dad was in the mafia. And I'm like, yeah, we all knew. But I'm looking, I'm reading this book. Every time I read the books, I'm looking for their two last names to see if there's anything ever written about what their dads were doing. But anyway, fun times. All right, guys, we're going to close up. It's late.

1:40:40 I will be doing a show at 10 o'clock in the morning with Tommy. It'll probably come out around two with the whole dork squad, EM and General Blaine Holt. And then we will have Warhamster and I's show that was supposed to be today, had we not had mechanical difficulties.

1:40:59 I'm telling you, this was a trip from hell. Most of our RV trips, well, all of our RV trips have been absolutely wonderful, other than a few blown tires every once in a while on the car hauler trailer. We have wonderful RV trips. From the time we left here until the time we got pulled into the driveway, it was nothing but one problem after another. So hopefully we got them all into one trip. And when we get a couple of things fixed,

1:41:29 then we're not going to have any more trouble. We'll go back to our normal, enjoyable time on the road. But thank you guys for all your patience and the moving of the shows around. I really, really appreciate all of your support. So we look forward to tomorrow at noon. Yeah, everybody, try to boost tomorrow's show. It's going to be a fun one. Won't be the most exciting, but it's definitely going to be informative.

1:41:55 Yeah, I'll put the notice out around 11 o'clock for everybody. So please look for it and share it out. I really, really appreciate that. You guys are definitely driving the numbers up. We have five or 600 people every show watching on the different platforms. So, and then thousands of people afterwards. Yeah, I'm averaging over 2000 within a week on my channel. Yeah. And you get more than that on yours. Yeah.

1:42:24 And how many times in the last week has somebody mentioned the word Fabian? And how many people have mentioned Pilgrim Society? We are making market strides in educating people. We're driving the narrative. We are. For the love of God, even my really good people at Promethean Action are starting to steal my work. They're watching. I guarantee it. They are.

1:42:56 Yeah. We're not funded by these other groups and stuff like that. We're just two people that like to read and love history and having conversations. But these bigger channels, they are basically listening to what we're saying. They are. They are. 100%. And that's thanks to every single one of you watching on Rumble, YouTube, Locals.

1:43:20 And are in our spaces every time. Because you guys share our material out. And I am eternally grateful. There is a reason why people have avoided all of the information that we've talked about. Because we are ahead of the, we are like the wave on the front end of the wave. Everybody else is behind us. And you guys are going, you just go, yeah, I already know that.

1:43:50 Well, to me, to me, the cool thing is, you know, as you know, I've been talking about this stuff for 20 years, but nobody wanted to listen. And then I met the colonel and he starts talking about a lot more loudly. And all of a sudden we get this whole community. And so now I'm like re-energized. Yeah, let's get the darn truth out there. And I'm not, you know, I've never wanted to start a revolution or anything like that. But for the love of God, we got a lot of corruption in our system. Let's just tell the damn truth.

1:44:17 We are starting a history knowledge revolution. Yeah, I think we're on the front lines of that. We are. And I am with the colonel, every single person in this community. And you guys contribute a lot. I get so many people. I know. They send me down rabbit trails. Yes. Not just on X, but my channel, your channel, all that stuff. I mean, I don't know if we're a legion yet, but we are potent. Over half of the books.

1:44:47 This Medusa file book was recommended by one of you guys. Stellar's got her hand up. Do you want to? Yeah, I will. I just want to say that half of the books that are in my library came from recommendations from you guys. So Stellar, go ahead. Oh, I was waiting for you guys to finish because you guys are so knowledgeable. Something is happening because you guys are all showing up on my algorithms again and all my fees without me having to go specifically.

1:45:16 into pages. So something is happening. And what you guys are sharing for years, I love it, for years now, I mean, you know, like I always said, the bathtub water going around and around and around, and it's happening so much faster. And everything that you guys have talked about and are talking about ends up coming into the discussions of other people, where in the past when people took

1:45:42 What you guys were talking about, they just ended it at a certain point and never continued on with it. And Warhamster, please, whenever you get a chance, look into that VT Properties or whatever it is out of Las Vegas. I think you're going to find that very interesting, especially over the last two years. And that's all. Thanks, guys. And I can't wait till tomorrow. Thank you. Yeah, it's been a remarkable journey.

1:46:08 for me personally and with all of you guys. It's been truly amazing. And I treasure Warhamster as a co-conspirator in our history education revolution. Never forget, it was my lovely wife. I know. Who was following the colonel on truth that says to me, you got to check out this chick. She says a lot of the same things you do.

1:46:37 And then we had our first phone call, our first podcast, and we created a monster known as Colonel Tanner Watkins. But my wife gets all the credit for starting it. Yeah. And Bridget is the sole remaining of the group from True Social. We had like five or six different researchers. We were all collectively working together. Bridget is...

1:47:04 I could not have done any of this without her. She's been with me for the full four years that we've been doing this now and has been absolutely amazing. She is the moderator over on Rumble. SR comes in when he can, but Bridget is the sole one that stuck by me that didn't get offended

1:47:34 something in her rice bowl got peed on. And that has been a challenge because all of this information touches all of us professionally and personally and in something that we have done. And it doesn't matter if you're a truck driver or if you were in the military or whatever. It is hard information.

1:47:58 for those of us who have lived most of our lives in a bubble, in a matrix. And it is hard to deal with. I realize that. And I cherish all of you guys that are on this journey with us. But anyway, let me get off here. I could talk for hours about this. I appreciate each and every one of you guys for your support. But especially Bridget. Yep. I look forward.

1:48:27 I look forward every day to Bridget's little daily reminder that the Colonel is going to be on Twitter spaces at four o'clock. If I don't see that little notification come up, I'm actually, I miss it. Bridget, Bridget, you're awesome. She is. Oh, come on. I fell asleep yesterday in my chair. Yeah, but you, I think all of you, and I think I'm going to speak for everybody here. I think all of us that have ever heard you guys speak.

1:48:55 Appreciate and love all of the research and knowledge that you're bringing forward. All of you guys, I mean, from the bottom of our hearts, thank you. Thank you. And Cheryl, God bless you, over on Rumble. My Normie friend sent me an old Operation Gladio video that Mike Benz did last week. She was so excited. I told her he got all of his information from Colonel Towner and then blocked me.

1:49:24 Yeah. So anyway, that's hilarious. And we tracked his grandfather down on his maternal side as being a part of Operation Gladio in World War II and the immediate aftermath in Northern Italy. So there. I've always wanted to like Mike Benz. I think he gives out a lot of great information. But there are some buts. He blocked me. Yeah, I get that. That pisses me off.

1:49:54 For basically adding to, I didn't even say anything controversial. I actually, and he's taken entire rants on his podcast of really nasty about me. And it's not even the truth. He completely spun the entire thing 180 degrees.

1:50:20 If you guys have never seen Alpha Warrior's exposure of him, I would suggest you just search Alpha Warrior's page because he isn't who he says he is. Can you link that on your Twitter so I can look at it? I have not read that. I have not seen that one. Yeah. Basically, he was part of an infiltration operation into the Proud Boys. He had. Yeah. Yeah, I know about that.

1:50:47 Yeah, Alpha went through the entire chronology of all of the stuff that he's been involved in. He just isn't who he says he is. I don't know who he is, but he isn't who he is. Alpha's got a couple of non-public connections to that network as well, so that makes sense that he would... Yeah, and it's funny because the show that I do with Alpha Warrior obviously has been...

1:51:16 well received as well. Last week when we finished up, or this past Wednesday when we finished up our Jason couple of shows, he says out loud on the podcast, are you my handler? And I'm like, no, I'm not. But he said that off camera several times. He says, how do you get all of this information?

1:51:45 in such a timely manner. And I told him, I said, I don't do any of this. The things that I come across that I use on his show, I am telling you, all of this is divinely given to me as far as.

1:52:03 what it is that I choose to put on his show. And it is weird that within the immediate proximity of us doing a show, there will be all kinds of other things said about some of the content. And that's to me, affirmation of same thing with Warhamster and I. We have that exact same experience. We will go through material and he has devised a very...

1:52:32 meticulous schedule with me nudging other pieces in. And then as we cover them, they become mainstream. And that's been just a wonderful affirmation of all of the time that we spend behind the scenes finding this information. So anyway, all right, that's enough. It's 10 o'clock. I gotta go to bed.

1:52:58 You guys have a nice evening. And I look forward to our noon show tomorrow, Eastern time. Take care, everybody.

Entities here

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Claims made here

Brigadier General Parton exposed Oklahoma City bombing book_quoted ▶ 6:00

“That said that the ammonium nitrate truck bomb could not have done the damage inflicted on the building by itself. And former FBI station chief Ted Gunderson, who stated other devices exist in invento…”

Ted Gunderson member_of FBI book_quoted ▶ 6:00

Deborah Von Trapp exposed Carter Administration book_quoted ▶ 6:23

“And if you guys have not watched the video, it's on YouTube about General Parton, P-A-R-T-I-N. I highly suggest you watch it. I watched it several years ago. It's very, very good. So Deborah Von Trapp…”

Michigan Militia targeted_for_regime_change Timothy McVeigh book_quoted ▶ 6:56

“Instead, within 24 hours of the event, the mainstream media in totality slanted the dagger of suspicion at the quote unquote far right radicals, which is a continuation of the narrative from Ruby Ridg…”

FBI spied_on Michigan Militia book_quoted ▶ 7:27

“In fact, two members of the Michigan militia stated that they think they saw McVeigh at one of their open to the public meetings. They think they saw. And we know that they have FBI infiltrators, if n…”

Lee Harvey Oswald framed Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 7:56

“Even if he was seen at a meeting, it could easily have been part of a setup to develop a manufactured connection to a group, just like they did with Oswald. Of course, speaking of which, we know that …”

FBI covered_up Robert Kennedy assassination book_quoted ▶ 10:52

“who investigated the Kennedy assassination, they're left out of the grand scheme of things and only privy to certain parts of the information. It is also interesting to note that the main question is …”

FBI covered_up Oklahoma City bombing book_quoted ▶ 11:20

“with the Oklahoma bombing, are finding themselves subject to the same circumstances. It appears once again to be a system of directed investigation, ignoring, debunking anything that doesn't fit their…”

FBI covered_up Oklahoma City bombing book_quoted ▶ 13:48

“a block west of the event, recorded McVeigh parking a Ryder truck then walking away from it to get into a vehicle to speed away. The federal authorities seized all of those tapes. Why have we not seen…”

FBI covered_up Oklahoma City bombing book_quoted ▶ 14:47

“Why was the APB on the brown pickup truck not followed up on? Then why was it later canceled? And then why did the FBI deny it even existed? Exactly what number was found on the truck axle that would …”

FBI covered_up Oklahoma City bombing book_quoted ▶ 15:10

“Then found out that that certain make and model didn't have an actual identification number on the axle. So they changed the make and model of the truck so that they could say they had it. Why have we…”

Terry Nichols trained Edwin Angeles book_quoted ▶ 18:41

“These people trained Nichols in the art of bomb making and provided funding, which would mean it came from the CIA. Had the investigation in 1995 been allowed to progress in the direction of the Middl…”

Edwin Angeles funded Terry Nichols book_quoted ▶ 18:41

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Italy book_quoted ▶ 20:04

“And at least in Italy's case, they actually admitted they did it. They admitted they killed a reporter because he was onto them. It was later found that they blew up an airplane to kill one of the gov…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Spain book_quoted ▶ 20:32

“the train station in Spain and killed untold amount of people and injured hundreds of others. This is what they do. So only if you understand Operation Gladio can you put anything in perspective that …”

Sons of Gestapo carried_out_attack Gila Bend train derailment book_quoted ▶ 22:01

“Domestic terrorists calling themselves Sons of Gestapo had derailed a passenger train near Hyder, Arizona. According to news reports, sometime around 1 a.m. in the morning, an Amtrak Sunset Limited pa…”

Sons of Gestapo carried_out_attack Amtrak book_quoted ▶ 22:01

Marana Airport carried_out_attack Iran-Contra affair host_asserted ▶ 33:16

“has always been a CIA front company. Rumors ran rampant that during Iran-Contra, the airstrip had been one of several used for drug shipments. He knew the facility, which was located near Highway 10 t…”

Sons of Gestapo carried_out_attack 1993 Sunset Limited derailment host_asserted ▶ 34:17

“Was some covert paramilitary agency training troops in Knight Commando style insertions? Yes, is the answer to that. He couldn't help but wonder if there might be a connection between the strange acti…”

FBI covered_up Oklahoma City bombing host_asserted ▶ 48:16

“The assistant U.S. attorney, Janet Napolitano, stated that we are going to pursue every bit of evidence and every lead very thoroughly until we find the person or persons who committed the crime. I re…”

Robert Bryant headed National Security Division documented ▶ 48:50

“An unnamed source leaked to the AP that the case had been put under Assistant FBI Director Robert Bryant, who heads the Bureau's National Security Division. According to the source, Bryant's National …”

FBI carried_out_attack Waco siege host_asserted ▶ 1:00:11

“The women slept upstairs. They lit their kerosene lamps because the electricity had been turned off by the FBI. After observing lights in all of the upstairs window, the FBI ordered the tear gas bomba…”

Sons of Gestapo carried_out_attack 1995 Amtrak derailment host_asserted ▶ 1:02:08

“The Gestapo accounts to no one. This is not Nazi Germany. All these people had rights. It is time for an independent federal agency to police the law enforcement agencies and other government employee…”

Special Operations Group member_of Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 1:03:09

“I remember one of the terms used by the Phoenix program assassins was MACV-SOG, study and observation group. They were a twisted version of the last acronym. Yeah, I'm a SOG, a son of the Gestapo. Was…”

Kathleen Ferguson spied_on Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit host_asserted ▶ 1:17:58

“collaborating with Mrs. Jones and may have been aware of details of other activities at the time. Whether these other activities included Iran-Contra and MENA was not mentioned. But if the motives beh…”

James Wilson founded The Economist documented ▶ 1:25:46

“It's a glaring example of exactly what we've been talking about. Terms change, everybody. James Wilson, who founded The Economist, was a true liberal. I mean, he was an absolute hero. He absolutely ha…”

Alfred McCoy founded The Politics of Heroin documented ▶ 1:29:59

“The two that has been sitting here the longest and they keep getting usurped, I'll just go ahead and tell you. There are two of my favorite books that I've ever read on this subject. And one of them i…”

Henrik Kruger founded The Great Heroin Coup documented ▶ 1:29:59

Jonathan Kutner founded Vicious Circles documented ▶ 1:30:56

“But let me just share with you guys something. I am almost done. I'm a big fan of Jonathan Quitney. He's fabulous. I've read probably several of his books. So I had not read this book, but I was talki…”

Robert Maheu ordered_assassination_of Johnny Roselli host_asserted ▶ 1:37:43

“That's what Robert Mayhew did. He was the go-between for the CIA and the mob. He hired all the hits. Why do you think we call governments protection rackets? And they're not protecting you, the voters…”

Mike Pence member_of Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:49:24

“Yeah. So anyway, that's hilarious. And we tracked his grandfather down on his maternal side as being a part of Operation Gladio in World War II and the immediate aftermath in Northern Italy. So there.…”

Alpha Warrior member_of Proud Boys host_asserted ▶ 1:50:20

“If you guys have never seen Alpha Warrior's exposure of him, I would suggest you just search Alpha Warrior's page because he isn't who he says he is. Can you link that on your Twitter so I can look at…”