The Colonel's Corner The Medusa File by Craig Roberts Part 5

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0:06 Okay, let's get this party started. You guys aren't going to believe what I found. It has nothing to do with our lesson today, but I came across some old documents from an event that happened in Florida a long time ago in the 60s that involved all types of racial accusations.

0:31 Knowing what we know now, going back and researching the people that were involved, it was so controversial at the time that not only did it make national headlines, but it involved some of the same organizations that are being exposed for basically being in bed with the CIA and rival rousing and all that other stuff.

1:03 Right now it's being revealed. And when you go back and you look at this one incident, it's crazy. I'll have to do a completely separate show on it. But what I didn't know, because I've heard about it, it's referenced here. It was referenced during desegregation in Florida several years later. It's been referenced. If you're from Central Florida, you've heard about this incident.

1:33 And someone a couple of days ago on my husband's Facebook page had made a comment about it because it's very common to pull that out as an incident. And I went down a huge rabbit hole. Sorry to interrupt, Colonel, but there's no sound on rumble. Okay. I don't know why. I don't have my microphone turned off.

2:05 I don't know. Let me try to refresh it. Okay. Wait just a minute and see if you can hear it. But anyway, it's a rabbit hole. It's a big rabbit hole. And knowing what we know now, going back and looking at some of these events is very helpful, I think. But like I said, I'll try to do it this weekend. It's crazy.

2:50 Anyway, is that better, SR? No, ma'am. Still no sound. No picture either. Really? Yes, ma'am. That's so crazy. Yeah, I see that now. Okay. Let me end it and I'll try to start it again. That's so crazy. All right. Let's try this again. All right. Okay.

4:07 If you'll let people know on the, I don't know if you can still post on the other one to see if it's working. Let me check it out over here. Huh. That's crazy. Still nothing, SR? Did you find the new one, SR? No, ma'am. Still nothing. Good grief. Huh. All right. Well, the only thing I. There we go.

5:19 She just popped up. Okay. All right. Good. All right. So chapter nine, we're on chapter nine. Okay. He spends a few paragraphs regurgitating what we talked about yesterday, but about the MK ultra scientists at Edgewood and the psychological chemical weapons and mind control in partnership with IG Farben.

5:50 Nazis that had been brought over to the United States to develop poison gas. And he talks about the chemist that had worked at IG Farben and them finding a new strand of deadly nerve gases. They had worked at Wurzburg Chemical Warfare Lab, as well as Luftwaffe.

6:21 their Air Force Technical Research Institute at Berlin and the IG Farben factory. And he talked about those two gases, the Tobon and the sarin gas. And he talks about how at the time it was reported those were the two most dangerous nerve gases ever encountered by US military or the Soviet Union. And that none of the standard...

6:52 gas mask at the time could effectively filter them out. They also found out that there had been technology to put those weapons on the V2 rockets that were being fired into London at the time. There was no documentation that they had actually been used because they were struggling on how to weaponize them.

7:26 This information, like all of the information, was kept secret, supposedly because they didn't want to avert, they didn't want to create a public panic. And they didn't want the Russians to know that they knew about that technology and the fact that the Germans had been working to weaponize it.

7:59 It goes into a little bit of background about the TABUN, taboon nerve gas, and that it had been invented in 1936 by a Dr. Gerhard Schrader, that it was so deadly that even a few drops could kill within minutes. Serin was a derivative of it and almost five times as powerful. They were commissioned.

8:28 The creation of them was commissioned by the Weimar. And Oto Ambrose, who was the senior director at the IG Farben chemical facilities. They had ordered the creation of a secret lab with massive manufacturing facilities. And it said that they had been testing them on concentration camp prisoners.

8:57 The test confirmed the fatal efficacy of these gases. They were produced under a code name called Trilon, which was a common washing detergent in Germany. It was about that time when the German army had suffered a defeat at Stalingrad. The German high command

9:25 was reeling on the Eastern Front and had been asked by Hitler if there was sufficient amount of the nerve gas to be used on the Red Army. Ambrose, who had been summoned to Hitler's offices, explained that he suspected that the Allies might also possess these chemicals or something similar. The chemical structures of the gas...

9:54 had been discussed before the war in several international scientific journals. He would be amazed if the Allied defense industries had not been producing them themselves and that if they were used on them, they would likely be used on the Germans. Hitler was reportedly afraid of chemical warfare because he had seen some versions of it during World War.

10:23 One, if the Germans used it against the Russians, then it was only reasonable that they would use their own. What Hitler didn't know was that both American and British intelligence had underestimated the German chemical warfare resources and neither had sufficient stockpiles of chemical weapons or had been producing them at that scale. In a British report,

10:54 In 1941, on the assessment of Nazis' chemical threat, it was reported, it appears the Germans have no new gas of surprising effects, unquote. The Americans were relying on British intelligence at the time, so obviously they were saying the same thing. It was estimated that the Germans only possessed a type of blister agent muster gas.

11:24 the same as they had been using in World War I, which on its face is ridiculous since they had advanced in every other element of warfare. It was not until 1943 that the Allied intelligence discovered anything new in the realm of chemical warfare. The hint was a coded message regarding the issue of a new type of gas mask that was being developed. It was intercepted.

11:56 by the U.S. intelligence as well as the OSS. This was followed by information received from a captured prisoner concerning a new gas that was supposed to be odorless, colorless, and quite deadly. Without more evidence, there wasn't much else talked about. The Allied High Command felt that the likelihood of an all-out chemical assault would not occur. You know.

12:28 The same people that were experimenting on people and infecting them with all kinds of diseases. And again, this is being gradually known about. They are arresting people and have POWs that are telling them this is happening, both in the Japanese theater as well as the German theater. And this is the one area that they somehow remain ignorant on.

13:01 By January of 45, when Hitler began to fill the jaws of the Allied vice closing in, massive stores of these chemicals were ordered removed from its location and transported into Bavarian last redoubt for use as a last resort by the Reich. Before any of them were used that we know of, the war ended. Lieutenant Colonel Paul Tarr

13:32 T.A.R.R., who was the intelligence chief for the chemical warfare services, knew about the new deadly German gases. He even knew approximately where they had been produced and who had been involved in their production. The secret deals made by certain high-placed individuals on both the American and German side had taken care of that. Even the military intelligence, which had remained ignorant,

14:00 of the facts concerning the nerve gas program did not know of this higher echelon of communications. Leading a team of 50 chemical warfare experts, Tarr raced across France towards his objectives, the I.B. Farben factories. He reached his destination just as the German army collapsed. What he found was disheartening. The nerve gas facility was almost completely destroyed. No one remained.

14:30 to be captured and the condition of the equipment was worthless. Tarr didn't give up. Instead of moving on, he orders his men to round up every German technician and factory worker in the local area for interrogation. Through those efforts, they managed to intimidate the frightened prisoners sufficiently enough to lead them to the homes of

14:57 the hiding places of some of the scientists. One of the first ones captured was Gerhard Schrader. Schrader proved more than willing to help Americans, anything to keep him out of the hands of the Russians. Within a day of capture, Schrader provided the formulas for both of the nerve gases to Tarr, who quickly dispatched the valuable information home.

15:23 Their purpose was to gather evidence for the Nuremberg trials, or so they thought. Information and confessions from IG Farben scientists and directors would help hang certain Nazis, and maybe even some of the personnel at Farben. One of the scientists that they were looking into was Otto Ambrose, the mastermind of the IG Farben factory at Auschwitz. He, of course, had been a key player in the Krylon B gas chamber.

15:56 The sarin gases and the tabon were fatally tested on prisoners by Professor August Hirt, H-I-R-T, and Dr. Carl Wimmer, who had supervised the painful death and then conducted morbid dissections of the still-warmed bodies. But Ambrose was not in that area. He had made his way to Bavaria.

16:25 He was not found for several weeks. When he was finally located, it was not by the criminal hunters who desperately wished to hang him at Nuremberg. Tarr spirited him away to a safe house in Heidelberg. After hiding Ambrose, Tarr flew to London, Paris, and back to Frankfurt. There was an attempt to negotiate for not only Ambrose, but all Nazi

16:55 chemical warfare scientist held by the military authorities. But before he could complete his mission, Ambrose disappeared. He would not surface again until he had been gainfully employed and guaranteed protection by the French. Ambrose was one of the few Nazi scientists the French managed to steal away from the Britons, British, and the Americans. Ambrose was eventually tried for his crimes, but was only given a token sentence.

17:23 Then before he could even finish that sentence, he was released by the High Commissioner of Germany, John J. McCloy, who later became the president of the World Bank and served on the commission of the assassination of JFK, the Warren Commission. That John McCloy. Ambrose, who after being released, traveled to America.

17:53 He was extremely fortunate to find post-incarceration employment right away because who doesn't want to hire a Nazi killer? He was hired by none other than W.R. Grace and Company and then by Dow Chemical. Isn't that nice? W.R. Grace and Company. W.R. Grace and Peter Grace, the son of the founder.

18:26 It's featured prominently in Operation Gladio as a mining concern that loved to go in and overthrow governments that insisted on paying adequate wages to people employed by them. They funded all kinds of nefarious shit with the CIA and obviously has no problem hiring Nazi scientists.

18:54 that experiment on people. The German scientist who arrived at Edgewood discovered that their assignment was to continue what they had been doing in Germany, working with all of the same things for all of the same reasons. According to Edgewood chemical corps officers, the reasons was two. One, to learn how the gases affected humans and to develop defenses against them.

19:28 They were the most deadly chemical agents the American military had ever encountered. And then of course we know the boogeyman Soviet Union may have them too. So we definitely have to do this research. We have to figure out how to update our gas mask, create antidotes and protective clothing. The only way to do this, according to the chemist,

20:00 that were Nazis, was to experiment on humans. To determine how the chemical mixtures affected soldiers, hundreds of volunteers who had no idea of what they were volunteering for were selected and sworn to secrecy. Though the captured German documents dealing with the gases were scrutinized by American Army chemists, including the Tobon human experiments performed at Auschwitz,

20:31 That was not enough. They had all the documentation. It had already been experimented on with humans that they killed. It wasn't ever enough. The tests were originally performed on cats, dogs, rabbits, and mice. Then they decided that soldiers would be

21:00 put into the Edgewood gas chamber with animals. Each soldier was given a mask, told to go inside and sit down, then wait for an order to unmask. The strengths of the gas were then administered as scientists watched through a window. Don Bowen, who participated in the experiments, later related what it was like to be inside the sealed chamber along with several cages of animals.

21:31 I waited five minutes, was told to take the mask off. The plastic covers were ripped off the animals' cages and they went wild. They ran around the cages whimpering and shrieking and finally stumbled to the floor in their cages. The immediate response was not to breathe. Then I finally took a deep breath and the gas burned my noses, my lip, my throat. The gas was carefully measured enough to kill the animals, but not the men.

22:00 Other soldiers at Edgewood underwent mustard gas experiments. Mustard gas is a blistering agent that causes blisters on the skin. The gas itself is actually a fog or a mist of liquid droplets. Each droplet that lands on the skin or is breathed into the lungs burns and creates blisters, internal and external. In the eyes, mustard gas can cause blindness. In the lungs,

22:31 It's enough to rupture lung tissue and bleed to death. It creates a horrible burning sensation until the victim dies gasping from asphyxiation. In two instances, soldiers were exposed to mustard gas up to 14 times before having to be hospitalized. The gas experiments tapered off in 1949 when at the direction of the CIA, a new program was initiated.

23:08 That's when they switched to MKUltra because that is when the accusations began to be made that the Soviet Union is doing mind-altering experiments, so we have to too. I haven't found any documentation, just their words for it. Chapter 10, the Atomic Guinea Pigs. As a whole, they were called the Atomic Veterans.

23:41 They were soldiers, sailors, marine, and airmen who both knowingly and unknowingly participated in nuclear radiation experiments conducted from 1945 to 1962. According to the Disabled American Veterans Organization, somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 to 250,000, 250,000 veterans were exposed to nuclear or

24:12 ionizing radiation during their military service, most with no more protection than a rifle and a helmet. These experiments conducted in remote desert locations far away Pacific Island atolls were performed to test the military's preparedness for war. Just how would blast effects and radiation contaminate battlefield affect combat troops and the crews of ships at sea?

24:43 That was the question. It was answered by scientists who had no qualms at all of using humans as subjects. To find the answers, U.S. infantrymen were transported to test areas during nuclear bomb detonations and purposely exposed to radiation. One such place was Yucca Flats in Nevada, where a 44 kiloton device was exploded during a quote-unquote smoky.

25:14 Then within three hours of the blast, some 1,000 GI soldiers were marched to varying destinations in close proximity to ground zero to see if their physical fighting ability was immediately affected. Then for weeks and months afterwards, they were monitored. At sea, sailors and Marines were ordered on deck on naval vessels to observe atomic bomb detonations in the Pacific.

25:46 Then after the blast had occurred, the radiation cloud would drift away. They were ordered to swim in contaminated lagoons. In one documented Pacific experiment, servicemen were ordered onto a large flat barge that was towed out to sea to watch a mushroom cloud of a 15 megaton hydrogen bomb that was detonated 100 miles from the Bikini Atoll.

26:13 Afterwards, they were towed to the blast site and ordered to bathe in the contaminated waters. In all of the above experiments, servicemen unwittingly breathed and ingested radioactive isotopes.

26:31 To understand the long-term effects of these experiments, one only has to read material readily available in a public library. According to a study published in the Journal of American Medical Association, workers involved in the Manhattan Project at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, who supposedly were exposed to very low levels of radiation during the war, developed cases of leukemia in excess of the general population.

26:59 In the study, it was determined that Oak Ridge employees had a 63% higher rate of leukemia than the civilian population. At Los Alamos, New Mexico, a study of 18,000 people who lived in the vicinity produced a startling percentage of brain cancer. Though the general rate of that disease among the normal population is 6 in every 100,000, there it was 48 in 100,000.

27:27 Dr. Helen Calicut, author of Nuclear Madness, wrote, quote, today, almost all geneticists agree that there is no dose of radiation so low that it produces no mutation at all. Thus, even small amounts of background radiation are generally believed to have genetic effects, unquote. Yet the U.S. government to this day, as in the cases with Unit 731 survivors,

27:57 and MKUltra Experiments continue to deny claims and quite often any knowledge of any of these events. Of the 12,147 radiation exposure claims filed by atomic veterans, only 1,000 were ever granted compensation by the VA. The VA Compensation and Pensions Service Director, J. Gary Hickman, then asked by the DAB why

28:24 There was such a discrepancy in awarding disability claims to those veterans responded, our grant is low because the amount of radiation which the DOD indicates to us these people were exposed to were low. That literally has nothing to do with it. You don't grant an award of the VA based on exposure. You grant it based on the debilitating after effects of any exposure.

28:57 This statement, according to the results of the test conducted by the National Science Foundation, is further evidence of the government's failure to publicly recognize its misdeeds. In the research known as Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation Study, the foundation reported the amounts of iodized radiation not considered hazardous in the past are now considered quite dangerous. Huh.

29:28 Trust the science. But even if the government openly acknowledged the various experimental programs that involved testing on human subjects, it is doubtful at this late date that the extent of such operations could be exposed and proven. Most of the records have been destroyed. We just have the people's witnessed statements. Just like with MKUltra, they almost destroyed all of the records.

29:57 The Pentagon said that the atomic experiments were safe and that no veteran was exposed to radiation. The Committee on Veteran Affairs agreed. In a senatorial investigation conducted in 1994, the committee reported that from 45 to 62, the U.S. conducted numerous nuclear detonation tests. Crossroads, Bikini, Sandstone, Greenhouse, and Ivy Atoll.

30:26 Castle, which is in Bikini Atoll, Pacific Ocean, 400 miles southwest of San Diego, and a whole bunch of others. The main goal was to determine damage caused by the bombs. However, as a result, thousands of military personnel and civilians were exposed. Similar tests were conducted within the continental U.S., including in New Mexico and Nevada.

30:52 Veterans who participated in activities that directly exposed them to radioactive fallout are referred to as atomic veterans. Quote, data obtained on some military personnel who were exposed to radioactive fallout were collected after these men were unintentionally exposed. However, some atomic veterans believe that they were used as guinea pigs to determine the effects of radiation from various distances.

31:19 including those at ground zero on human subjects. Their suspicions are supported by a 1951 document from the Joint Panel of Medical Aspects of Atomic Warfare Research and Development Board, written by the DOD, which identified general criteria for bomb-related experiments and identified 29 specific problems as legitimate basis for biomedical participation, unquote. The report continues.

31:48 with a subheading of radiation releases at U.S. nuclear sites. It states, in addition to detonation testing, radioactive releases were also intentionally conducted at U.S. nuclear sites in the years following World War II. And according to a US GAO study, at least 12 planned radioactive releases occurred at three U.S. nuclear sites during 48 to 52.

32:16 They were conducted at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, Dunway, Dugway, Utah, and Los Alamos, New Mexico. Additionally, a planned release occurred at Hanford, Washington in December of 1948, which had been referred to as a green run test. It's not known how many civilian or military personnel were exposed in that test.

32:44 According to fallout maps, giant clouds of nuclear fallout had been born in the easterly winds of the jet stream across the U.S. from the Nevada, Utah, all the way to the Mississippi River. Depending on the time of year, the clouds were plotted as far north as South Dakota and as far south as Central Texas. There's no way to tell exactly where the fallout went.

33:13 The disabled American veterans, as late as 1995, had continued to fight for the rights of the atomic veterans. They had a legislative council by the name of Joseph Vellante, who told the House Veterans Affairs Committee, quote, the issue of ionizing radiation and its potential adverse health effects have been present for more than 50 years.

33:43 Atomic veterans and their loved ones have been patiently waiting for answers from the scientific and medical communities, as well as response to their continuing concerns from Congress and the VA. Unfortunately, all too often, those answers were not forthcoming, nor does it appear that definitive answers will ever be known. For each study done concluding one point, another study surfaces to discount the finding of the previous report.

34:10 Thus, the debate rages on with no apparent end in sight. Unquote. They just want you all to die before they'll ever admit they did anything. The VA, now known as the Department of Veteran Affairs, has finally begun building a database concerning drug, gas, and atomic experimentation victims. But it took congressional action.

34:39 And after great pressure from veterans organizations and investigation by the GAO, it was feared by these organizations, the American Legion, VFW, and DAB, however, that anything done now is too late. It's too late for the over 200,000 military personnel who participated in these tests in World War II.

35:05 The World War II years and the first decade of the Cold War that followed proved a valuable learning experience for the military, scientific community, and intelligence services. All they had to do was classify it and say it was in support of national security. A little bit about Agent Orange. One of the main problems faced with the American commanders in Vietnam was the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army.

35:36 and their ability to hide in the countryside. So of course, we know that napalm slash Agent Orange was designed to destroy the foliage along that area so they could see everything on the ground. It was called Agent Orange because they were delivered the chemicals in 55-gallon drums with an orange stripe.

36:09 painted around the drum. They were originally designed, the chemical was, as a super potent fertilizer. The strength that they were using actually made the foliage accelerate to such an extent that if you put that strength of Agent Orange on a banana plant,

36:37 the bananas would literally explode quickly. They would grow so fast because it's actually a fertilizer that the bananas on the plant, not only would they all be contaminated, but they would explode. That's how quickly the vegetation went and it destroyed the cell structure of the vegetation eventually killing it. But in doing so, it released a dioxin.

37:08 That was poisonous. It was so powerful that three ounces placed in New York City water supply could kill the entire population of the city. And we sprayed gallons and gallons and gallons all over that country. By means of specially equipped C-123 cargo aircraft flown by the U.S. 12th Air Commando Squadron,

37:40 Called Operation Ranch Hand, 11 million gallons of Agent Orange was sprayed over hundreds of square miles of jungle and inland waterways. Unknown to the crews who flew the aircraft, 60,000 ground troops were inadvertently sprayed and breathed in the chemicals in the area.

38:08 Within eight years, the American withdrawal from Vietnam, thousands of veterans began experiencing the after effects of Agent Orange exposure. Strange rashes, liver disorders, numbness in the lungs, impotence, fatigue, cancer, and children born with deformities. Studies showed the only common commonality between all of them were.

38:37 Vietnam veterans that had been exposed to Agent Orange, and yet continuously the U.S. government not only denied that there was any connection to that, they denied all veteran medical care and benefits to those suffering. When the vets fought back,

38:59 they ran into two legal obstacles. First, by law, the VA is the only federal agency who does not have to answer to any court concerning its decisions. And second, a 1950 Supreme Court ruling denies military personnel the right to sue the government for service-connected disabilities, no matter what or how they occur. A long battle followed Vietnam veterans who had faced not only the enemy battle,

39:28 bullets, booby traps, but now had no support from their government that they had fought for and often experienced hostility in their neighborhoods and in the courts and in the government. In 1978, a group of Agent Orange vets sued Dow Chemical. Oh, Dow Chemical, the same Dow Chemical? Yes, the same Dow Chemical.

39:57 This same Dow Chemical, by the way, that was selling all the chemicals to Latin America to make all the cocaine. That same Dow Chemical that had to be ordered by the Congress to stop selling those chemicals in those quantities that they knew was being used to create cocaine to kill more of us. Do you see a pattern? Other companies that were involved was Uniroyal and Monsanto.

40:30 The suit charged that the defoliants contained unsafe levels of dioxin, which was known by the manufacturers to be 170,000 times more deadly than cyanide, and the companies involved knew the danger. The court battles lasted for six years, finally being settled out of court in May of 1984, though not admitting liability, which according to the Washington Post,

40:59 would have been a forum to probe corporate officials on what they secretly knew and didn't know. Can't have that. The companies involved settled for $180 million, which was enough to pay 16,000 veterans a measly $11,000 for a lifetime of ailments. The money was a little...

41:29 Too little, too late. Most of them affected by those chemicals felt like they had been thrown a bone and told to go away. Former Marine David Martin told the Post that we wanted our day in court. I wanted the truth to be told and the truth to come out. The Agent Orange Dispatch, a newsletter for them,

41:56 wrote, we want the world to hear how Dow Chemical poisoned Americans in Vietnam. No amount of blood money could ever be enough to repay what those bastards did to us and our children. And I wholeheartedly agree because the bastards are still doing it today. The out-of-court settlement

42:16 came on the heels of a 1983 New York case that produced evidence that Dow knew from the very beginning that the defoliant sent to Vietnam contained levels of dioxin that was harmful to humans. According to the 1965 company memo written by Dow Toxology director, the dioxins contained in the product could be exceptionally toxic. In another memo written by the company's medical director, he said,

42:46 quote, fatalities have been reported in the literature, unquote. Of question at this point is the loyalties of the U.S. government. Unlike the atomic veterans and the veterans used as guinea pigs at Fort Detrick and Edgewood Arsenal, the government was not the primary target for the Agent Orange veteran organizations, though the government evident.

43:12 Lack of support, failure to investigate, and failure to provide benefits in medical care made it appear guilty by association. The actual parties targeted by these groups were the manufacturers. The only plausible explanation for what appeared to be a lack of action on the part of Washington would be a fear of discovery by behind-the-scenes, high-level individuals involved in the issue. If this were the case,

43:39 If certain individuals were guilty of covering up the effects of Agent Orange during the war and its after effects, then they were now guilty of conspiracy. But why would anyone in the government that existed in the 1980s go out on a limb for those who served in Washington during the Vietnam War? And the only answer could be that some of the same people still held power and money still was changing hands.

44:07 In 1990, a House subcommittee chaired by Representative Ted Weiss investigated Agent Orange's situation. What the committee found was damning. In 1982, the U.S. Congress ordered a study on the effects of Agent Orange.

44:36 to compensate victims. Representative Weiss went on to state unequivocally that while the Reagan administration defended the Vietnam conflict as an honorable war, it worked behind the scenes to deny benefits to the very people who sacrificed their health to fight it. After spending more than $40 million, the study was suddenly canceled by the White House in 1987, just after the above report was issued.

45:06 Not everyone in the upper echelons of military power surrendered to the White House. Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, the former chief of naval operations in Vietnam, testified in the Weiss Committee that Dr. Vernon Hawk, H-O-U-K, of the Center for Disease Control, the CDC representative in charge of the study, had made it his mission to manipulate and prevent the true facts from being determined.

45:36 It was pointed out that Dr. Hawk was a former member of the Reagan administration Agent Orange team. Admiral Zumwalt stated that more than enough verifiable, credible evidence linking certain cancers and other illnesses to Agent Orange and the government officials were purposely ignoring it. He went on to say that the government and industry officials responsible for examining the linkage intentionally misplaced

46:06 manipulated, or withheld compelling information of the adverse health effects. It is obvious that a great deal of money could have been involved in dealing with the liability of manufacturing using and the after effects of Agent Orange, the product liability of the manufacturers, the veterans' compensation by the VA, and the responsibility of the malformed children born to veterans.

46:34 could conceivably run in the billions of dollars and possibly more important to those involved in the cover-up, the criminal conspiracy and negligent of warning the users could have serious, to include prison, consequences. When this does not work and the veteran continued their fight, it was decided to cover up the entire affair as well as the pot.

47:02 as well as possible by denying lab information to the veterans group. Then finally, to stop the congressional investigation by way of an order from the president. No better example can be given that exhibits the power of major corporations at the highest level of government. Admiral Zumwalt had a very good reason to come forward and confront the government as CNO in Vietnam. He was in charge of all naval operations in the theater.

47:31 Part of these operations were the naval river patrols that constantly plied the rivers that were being sprayed. These patrols were extremely dangerous because of the jungle vegetation. And he basically, at the end of the day, says he has no idea which was more dangerous to his men, the enemy or the American government.

48:02 Admiral Zumwalt's son, Elmo Zumwalt III, was a commander of one of those boats who patrolled the Mekong Delta. He died of exposure to Agent Orange of an extremely rare form of lymphoma in 1988, just months after Reagan canceled the study. He was less than happy. So, we're gonna...

48:38 Stop it there. We're going to get to Chapter 12 tomorrow, which is Desert Storm. So, comments, anybody? Thank you, Colonel, and thank everyone for being here on Rumble and on Spaces. I'm beginning to wonder whether or not there's any end to all of the nefarious drugs.

49:20 chemicals, you name it, that we get into. It seems like they go out of their way to develop the things and use them. I can't believe it. We started with just sarin gas and that kind of stuff, and now we're into radioactive stuff that's going on. I recall, as a matter of fact, Deepwater, New Jersey.

49:57 processed uranium at one point. And they shut that down supposedly, but I know back in, what was it, 86, 87, that they were still operational because a friend of mine that went to work at DuPont there had to carry one of those badges. Yeah, the detector badges. The detector badge.

50:24 Yeah. It's still going on. There's no doubt in my mind. So the interesting thing about this, cancer does not run in my family anywhere, nowhere. And especially on my mom's side of the family, they're from Kentucky, Indiana, farmers, blah, blah, blah. No cancer. Like literally no cancer. My cousin.

50:53 who was a nuclear security cop. So he was only ever assigned to basically B-52 bases. And he guarded the nuclear stockpile. So if you guys don't know, at the height of the Cold War, we always had a B-52 fully loaded on an alert pad and we had SF.

51:23 security forces troops, not the same SF that other people use, but security forces armed that patrolled and guarded that alert B-52. It was always there. I was at a, that's strategic air command. I was at a strategic air command refueling base for those B-52s. We always had two tankers on alert.

51:48 Now, tankers obviously don't have nuclear weapons, but the cops are always out there guarding those aircraft because they stand alert. And our cops at the base I was at obviously do not have to have the nuclear qualifications, and it is a lot of training to be a nuclear cop. Almost every single one of my cousin's contemporaries during his 22-year career,

52:18 has died of cancer. He was in Northern Iraq when I was there at a place called Batman, where unbeknownst to me, they actually had nuclear weapons pre-positioned there. That's why he was there. They were always in fairly close proximity. They had to wear their little, I call it their detector badges, for that exposure possibility.

52:49 He has had like now four different kinds of cancer. And it's just dumbfounding to me that you can have those types of things. And none of this is hard to figure out because everything about our careers are color coded, everything. You can do a query and know exactly.

53:17 What these people did in the VA database and what the number of incidents of cancer there are associated with these particular career fields. Another one was the F4 community when the F4 had these radar systems that basically the pilots sat on top of. And almost every one of my friends has had colon cancer.

53:46 All of his, he started off in F4s. He eventually ended up flying F15s. But almost every one of his F4 buddies died of colon cancer. He got it. And it took him like.

54:05 10 to 12 years of letter writing and one of his academy classmates finally becoming chief of staff of the Air Force before they ever did a single study about the effects. The F-4 had been retired for years and the son of a bitches would never do that study. Even though they had tons of evidence of this being a problem. You can't possibly hate them enough.

54:45 Anyway, yeah, I just gave her the speaker thing. Did you want to say something, Annie? Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah. Okay, now it says speaker. All right, I'm wondering the same thing about a lot of national parks. I have a lot of friends that all of a sudden died of cancer who worked there for years and years and years.

55:15 I know, would uranium cause cancer, like uranium mines? I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I mean, uranium is the whole thing behind nuclear power. So I'm assuming that's a yes, but I'm not a doctor. I don't know what the... Yeah. Yeah, I worked at Lake Powell on the Utah-Arizona border, and I worked on both sides.

55:42 The Utah side bullfrog had a lot of uranium mines there. And one of my best friends in the world worked there for many, many, many years. And she and some others who worked there many, many years all died of cancer. Yeah. Yeah, it's sad. Travis, what you got for us? Travis? Uranium exposure and particularly...

56:24 Like if you're working in a mine, the tailings, the water that goes over the radium while they're processing it becomes contaminated and definitely causes cancer. United Nuclear Mine had to pay out millions to workers.

56:52 for their UNC Gallup mine after a tailings spill not only gave people cancer, but it also caused cancer in sheep, cattle, and anything else in the area that drank groundwater. That's all. Okay. Yeah, I believe it. You can walk right up to those mines where they were mining it and stuff.

57:24 Dawn Vision, God bless you. I think ice cream is necessary after each part of this book. Oh my gosh. I don't know if Public still has their caramel praline, but I agree with you 100%.

57:43 I could OD on their caramel praline after every one of these chapters. I probably would have been much better off while I was reading this book had I had a carton of that on hand to be able to placate myself after getting pissed off at the end of every one of these chapters. But I agree with you, Donny Vision, 100%. And thank you for that levity. I definitely needed it. All right, that's all we got for today.

58:12 I will be on Steve Murray's round table tonight at seven. And when I get that invitation, I will send it to you guys. It'll be me against the boys again, which I absolutely love. I've gotten to talk to several of them off.

58:39 podcasts and they're such a great group of people. It's been a very interesting experience. And I love the fact that they occasionally get Michael Yan on there. That guy's like a vast running book. I had no idea he collected all that stuff. I don't know if you guys have watched any of those shows. He has books that are like 400 years old and like rooms and rooms of books.

59:08 And he lives in Japan. I don't know how he got a place that big in Japan because no place is that big in Japan. He's got maps that are hundreds of years old. He has all kinds of artifacts because he's traveled all over the world. I, of course, find that completely fascinating and like listening to his travel stories.

59:31 reminds me of listening to my dad when he came back from his long distance truck driving because he always had lots of interesting stories about places he went and crazy people he met. So I enjoy those conversations. So that's tonight at seven o'clock and then we will be back with War Hamster tomorrow at noon and then back here at four o'clock. So take care, everyone. I'll see you later.

Entities here

West Germany14 United States11 Vietnam8 Otto Ambrose7 Soviet Union7 IG Farben6 Paul Tarr6 World War II5 Dow Chemical5 MKUltra5 Edgewood Arsenal5 Elmo Zumwalt4 United States Department of Veterans Affairs4 Disabled American Veterans4 United Kingdom3 Oak Ridge National Laboratory2 Reagan administration2 France2 Trump administration2 Bikini Atoll2 Los Alamos2 Auschwitz2 Nuremberg trials2 U.S. Congress2 Gray and Company2 Bavaria2 London2 Ted Weiss2 Vernon Hawk2 Gerhard Schrader2 Hanford Site1 Joint Panel of Medical Aspects of Atomic Warfare Research and Development Board1 Journal of the American Medical Association1 Committee on Veteran Affairs1 Operation Crossroads1 Operation Greenhouse1 Operation Castle1 Green Run1 Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation1 Uniroyal1

Claims made here

IG Farben funded Wurzburg Chemical Warfare Lab book_quoted ▶ 5:50

“Nazis that had been brought over to the United States to develop poison gas. And he talks about the chemist that had worked at IG Farben and them finding a new strand of deadly nerve gases. They had w…”

Otto Ambrose headed IG Farben book_quoted ▶ 8:28

“The creation of them was commissioned by the Weimar. And Oto Ambrose, who was the senior director at the IG Farben chemical facilities. They had ordered the creation of a secret lab with massive manuf…”

Paul Tarr recruited Gerhard Schrader book_quoted ▶ 14:57

“the hiding places of some of the scientists. One of the first ones captured was Gerhard Schrader. Schrader proved more than willing to help Americans, anything to keep him out of the hands of the Russ…”

Paul Tarr covered_up Otto Ambrose book_quoted ▶ 16:25

“He was not found for several weeks. When he was finally located, it was not by the criminal hunters who desperately wished to hang him at Nuremberg. Tarr spirited him away to a safe house in Heidelber…”

France recruited Otto Ambrose book_quoted ▶ 16:55

“chemical warfare scientist held by the military authorities. But before he could complete his mission, Ambrose disappeared. He would not surface again until he had been gainfully employed and guarante…”

John J. McCloy member_of Warren Commission book_quoted ▶ 17:23

“Then before he could even finish that sentence, he was released by the High Commissioner of Germany, John J. McCloy, who later became the president of the World Bank and served on the commission of th…”

John J. McCloy pardoned Otto Ambrose book_quoted ▶ 17:23

Gray and Company recruited Otto Ambrose book_quoted ▶ 17:53

“He was extremely fortunate to find post-incarceration employment right away because who doesn't want to hire a Nazi killer? He was hired by none other than W.R. Grace and Company and then by Dow Chemi…”

Dow Chemical recruited Otto Ambrose book_quoted ▶ 17:53

Gray and Company funded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 18:26

“It's featured prominently in Operation Gladio as a mining concern that loved to go in and overthrow governments that insisted on paying adequate wages to people employed by them. They funded all kinds…”

Helen Caldicott authored Nuclear Madness book_quoted ▶ 27:27

“Dr. Helen Calicut, author of Nuclear Madness, wrote, quote, today, almost all geneticists agree that there is no dose of radiation so low that it produces no mutation at all. Thus, even small amounts …”

J. Gary Hickman headed United States Department of Veterans Affairs book_quoted ▶ 27:57

“and MKUltra Experiments continue to deny claims and quite often any knowledge of any of these events. Of the 12,147 radiation exposure claims filed by atomic veterans, only 1,000 were ever granted com…”

United States carried_out_attack Operation Crossroads documented ▶ 29:57

“The Pentagon said that the atomic experiments were safe and that no veteran was exposed to radiation. The Committee on Veteran Affairs agreed. In a senatorial investigation conducted in 1994, the comm…”

United States carried_out_attack Operation Castle documented ▶ 30:26

“Castle, which is in Bikini Atoll, Pacific Ocean, 400 miles southwest of San Diego, and a whole bunch of others. The main goal was to determine damage caused by the bombs. However, as a result, thousan…”

United States carried_out_attack Green Run documented ▶ 32:16

“They were conducted at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, Dunway, Dugway, Utah, and Los Alamos, New Mexico. Additionally, a planned release occurred at Hanford, Washington in December of 1948, which had been refer…”

Joseph Vellante member_of Disabled American Veterans book_quoted ▶ 33:13

“The disabled American veterans, as late as 1995, had continued to fight for the rights of the atomic veterans. They had a legislative council by the name of Joseph Vellante, who told the House Veteran…”

Operation Ranch Hand carried_out_attack Vietnam documented ▶ 37:40

“Called Operation Ranch Hand, 11 million gallons of Agent Orange was sprayed over hundreds of square miles of jungle and inland waterways. Unknown to the crews who flew the aircraft, 60,000 ground troo…”

Dow Chemical funded Operation Ranch Hand documented ▶ 39:28

“bullets, booby traps, but now had no support from their government that they had fought for and often experienced hostility in their neighborhoods and in the courts and in the government. In 1978, a g…”

Dow Chemical covered_up Operation Ranch Hand documented ▶ 40:30

“The suit charged that the defoliants contained unsafe levels of dioxin, which was known by the manufacturers to be 170,000 times more deadly than cyanide, and the companies involved knew the danger. T…”

Trump administration covered_up Operation Ranch Hand documented ▶ 44:36

“to compensate victims. Representative Weiss went on to state unequivocally that while the Reagan administration defended the Vietnam conflict as an honorable war, it worked behind the scenes to deny b…”

Reagan administration covered_up Operation Ranch Hand documented ▶ 44:36

Vernon Hawk covered_up Operation Ranch Hand documented ▶ 45:06

“Not everyone in the upper echelons of military power surrendered to the White House. Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, the former chief of naval operations in Vietnam, testified in the Weiss Committee that Dr. Ve…”

Vernon Hawk member_of Reagan administration documented ▶ 45:36

“It was pointed out that Dr. Hawk was a former member of the Reagan administration Agent Orange team. Admiral Zumwalt stated that more than enough verifiable, credible evidence linking certain cancers …”

Elmo Zumwalt exposed Vernon Hawk documented ▶ 45:36

United Nuclear Mine paid Gallup documented ▶ 56:52

“for their UNC Gallup mine after a tailings spill not only gave people cancer, but it also caused cancer in sheep, cattle, and anything else in the area that drank groundwater. That's all. Okay. Yeah, …”