The Colonel's Corner The Medusa File by Craig Roberts Part 2

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0:40 Hello, everybody. Welcome to Medusa File Part 3. I don't know where everybody's at. I don't know where Bridget's at. I know she's around today. All right. We started this on Friday, and we covered the Unit 731 and them sending all of their balloons over that our government didn't think we should know about killing Americans.

1:15 As a result of not warning everybody what they were. So we're going to finish up Unit 731 today. This chapter is called the NATO document and the hunt for Ishii, which is the general that was the Unit 731 commander.

1:45 The war against Germany and Japan was over, but there was a new war just beginning, the Cold War. And of course, we know all about that. As the war crimes tribunals began their investigations, or the very limited war crimes tribunal, they happened both in Germany and Japan. The one you never hear about is the Japanese one.

2:19 The officers that committed these hideous crimes were supposed to face execution or at least long prison terms. Did that happen? Very, very little given the atrocities that they committed. The U.S. and the British realized that

2:53 The covert experimentations and technology that the scientists and doctors had been working on would provide them lots of information. And so they were very reluctant to allow any of the scientists or doctors to face prosecution. In the following months, while men like Yamashita

3:24 and von Rippentrop went to the gallows, other men, as guilty if not more so, were spirited away by the OSS. For Ishii, salvation came in the form of Colonel Murray Sanders. He was stationed at Camp Dietrich. His specialty was chemical warfare. Sanders had arrived in Japan aboard the SS Sturgis.

3:57 It was a merchant marine ship loaded with technical specialists that had been dispatched to Japan under orders directly from General MacArthur. Their mission was to find the Japanese scientists and interrogate them for their scientific data.

4:23 Sanders' specific mission was to find out everything he could about the biological warfare machine of Unit 731. When the Sturgis docked at Yokohama, an amazing thing happened. As Sanders stepped down the game plank, there was a Japanese gentleman waiting for him. He called him by name. He was holding a photograph of Sanders.

4:51 He identified himself as Dr. Naito. He welcomed Dr. Sanders to Japan. He quickly explained that he was going to be Colonel Sanders' interpreter. Sanders was a bit confused. He hadn't been told he was going to be met at the ship, let alone have this gentleman as his interpreter.

5:27 He recognized the photo immediately because it was a photo of him at Fort Detrick. The only explanation Colonel Sanders could come up with is MacArthur's G2, which is Willowsbury or whatever his name is, had given that photo to Naito. When what Sanders didn't know.

5:57 was that Naito was a member of Unit 731. And he knew who all the others were and where they were located. In the following weeks, Sanders set up an office at Daishi Building in Tokyo. That was the location of MacArthur's headquarters. And with the aid of Naito, began...

6:28 inquiries into where all of the Japanese doctors, biologists, blah, blah, blah, scientists that were part of Unit 731. This was very useful information because according to official records, there was no such thing as Unit 731 because all of it was quickly classified. Naito hunted down

7:01 One doctor after another, one biologist after another, one scientist after another. Colonel Sanders began collecting all of this information. And he was initially finding out that not all of the doctors wanted to talk. So what he would do is he'd threaten them that he was going to exfiltrate them to Russia and let Russia try to get that information out of them.

7:37 That was a huge, big threat. None of them wanted to be anywhere around the Soviet Union. Hi, Bubba. What's he doing? I have a visitor. And so this became the leverage that they had. So keep in mind, we found out that it was the Soviet Union coming into Manchuria that

8:07 caused the scramble to blow up all of those buildings and make this entire entourage run south to escape the Soviet Union. That was their big threat. They wanted to be, if they were going to be picked up, they wanted to be picked up by either the Americans or just like the Germans. Like the Germans all ran to the American camps and the British camps because they absolutely didn't want to be in the Soviet camps.

8:36 Same thing happened in Japan. So, Nayuto had made contact with certain senior officials of Ishii's staff, and they continued to meet on a regular basis in some of the suburbs. In the beginning, his main purpose was to act as an insulator between the former 731s in the U.S. investigation. But when Sanders threatened to turn them over, he knew that he was going to have to

9:08 try something else. He produced what became known as the Naito document. It was 12 pages of handwritten paper, gave the entire structure of Unit 731, including the chain of command, and who it reported to back at the Japanese government. This is a quote from him. I felt it was my duty to tell you about the biological warfare.

9:39 All I know to help your sincere effort to investigate as a scientist, began Nieto's handwriting. The purpose of this information, only to rescue our poor defeated nation and to avoid the damage, according to your words, that if we offer the truth as a science, you may help this poor nation with every effort. But if we keep the matter secret,

10:06 which will be disclosed afterwards, every damage will be added to us. Naoto went on to state, there occurred a big consternation in circles of higher officers in the Japanese headquarters when your inquiry about biological weapons began. A long dispute was done whether they should answer to you with the truth or not.

10:35 The Vice Chief of General Staffs and the Chief of Bureau of Warfare had the fear that the fact that Japan had some laboratories for biological warfare will bring a big misfortune on the Emperor. So, with all of that out of the way, it was apparent that the document that Naegito feared retribution from the former Japanese General Staff for divulging the existence of Unit 731.

11:07 He ended the paper with a statement. I have a large fear that my, something that couldn't be figured out, act of giving this information against our general staff. So I beg you to fire these papers immediately after you read them. I beg you by the inquiry to other officers not to keep this information in such a way that it provides evidence.

11:39 I beg you to keep this information secret. Nayato feared for his life. Sanders then knew that he was a member of the unit in question, and he knew that there were other members that were around as well, but he had reached an impasse. The Japanese were afraid to come forward with the information because they were afraid of getting convicted of war crimes. It was now a matter of the highest level of commands, very possibly Washington itself.

12:09 as what to do with these members of Unit 731. Well, we already know what they did with them because they did the same thing in Germany. Then it became a matter of speed because the Russians had captured all of their camps and liberated the few Americans and British that remained alive. They too were looking for Ishii.

12:39 They already had some of the members that had not escaped. They were taking them to the Soviet Union for a trial. Each in turn had orders basically to either keep quiet or in some cases, they were told to kill themselves as opposed to being captured.

13:10 Sanders met with MacArthur and a representative from military intelligence. And after a debate, MacArthur decided that the information could be gleaned from the Japanese far outweighed any war crimes that they committed, even against American soldiers. Sanders said that his recommendation is that we promise Naito that no one involved in the biological warfare will be prosecuted as a war criminal. Well, you're the man in charge of this.

13:42 MacArthur said. If you feel you cannot get all the information, we're not given to torture, which is a lie. So offer him that promise as coming from General MacArthur. Get the data. Within three weeks, any belief on Sanders' part that no human guinea pigs had been used disappeared. He was visited in his hotel room one night by a Japanese who had skinnied down a drain pipe to his window.

14:13 crawled in with a set of blueprints. The plans were the diagrams of a biological bomb. The man then said a hundred of these bombs had been constructed, that several had been tested by detonate them in the center of a range where the prisoners had been tied to a stake, which we talked about in part one. After mentioning that some of the prisoners had been killed due to these experiments,

14:43 Sanders was stunned. Sanders returned to MacArthur, but was told to keep investigating. The statement provided by one unknown person wasn't enough to stop the deal. None of the statements were enough to stop the deal. It didn't matter how gross it became. Over the next three months, Sanders located and interrogated several of the members that had been mentioned in the Nieto document.

15:14 At the same time, the relations between the U.S. and the Soviet Union was getting worse. The main concern for both of the military and the government was the possibility of a fictitious war with the Soviet Union, even though they had lost 25 million people and there was no chance of war with the Soviet Union. That was the excuse and the justification.

15:48 The author goes on to say, if that were to happen, considering the Japanese biological warfare engineers that remained in the Russian hands, they might actually use them on us. With what? They're devastated. They have no capacity to do anything with the information at this point. None. But that, of course, we know is the justification used after the fact. Sanders was ordered home.

16:21 in 1946 to report the results of his investigation to Fort Detrick. After producing the Naito document and explaining his findings, he began to grow ill. He had contacted tuberculosis and would not be sent back to Japan. Was he poisoned? These are the people that was using tuberculosis as part of their repertoire of

16:50 biological weapons. The Unit 731 matter was turned over to another officer to follow up. No one at Fort Detrick seemed to be concerned about the reports of human experimentation. Why would they be? They're going to continue to do it. Instead, it was decided to forget about the negative part of all of this and the human experimentation. We just want the information. And the Japanese from Unit 731

17:26 knew this. The war trials taking place in Tokyo and other places across the war zone were drawing world attention. Class A trials, those of the most serious kind, were tried by an international military tribunal for the Far East. Others that were lesser significance were tried by various commissions appointed by the Army and Navy.

17:52 As each case came to trial and was disposed of, headlines announced the sentence. From varying prison terms that ranged from hangings to prisonment, not a single Unit 731 person was among the list. Just like none of the worst, Germans were among the list. After receiving their marching orders from both Washington and MacArthur, the

18:22 Personnel involved in dealing with the Japanese biological warfare experts in Japan found themselves faced with a very tricky situation. They had to somehow get the information required by higher headquarters from their former enemies, make sure the details were kept secret from everyone outside of Fort Detrick, ensure that it would not surface in any manner that would make it available as evidence in war crimes.

18:53 and to do all of this without drawing attention to what they were doing. If what they were attempting was discovered, it would be very embarrassing, especially to the survivors who were experimented on. In one of the top secret messages sent from Commander-in-Chief Douglas MacArthur, the problem was discussed. And I'm going to quote, to formulate a reply to MacArthur's radio message date,

19:28 To May 1947, recommending the retention of Japanese biological warfare information in intelligence channels and that such material not be employed in war crimes evidence. Part two of the cable cited paragraph one states that General Ishii and associates should supply technical biological warfare information if guaranteed immunity from war crimes in documentary form.

19:58 Ishii and associates have to date voluntarily supplied and are continuing to supply such information without a documentary guarantee of immunity, meaning it was not in writing. Paragraph three, 19 Japanese biological experts have written a 60-page report concerning biological warfare research using human subjects.

20:25 A 20-page report covering nine years of research on crop destruction has been prepared. A report by 10 Japanese scientists on research in the veterinarian field is being written. A Japanese pathologist is engaged in recovering and making photographs of selected examples of 9,000 slides of tissues from autopsies of humans.

20:55 and animals subjected to biological experiments. General Ishii is writing a treatise embracing his 20 years experience in all phases of biological warfare. It is unequivocally clear because they have photos of the autopsies of people that were experimented on that every single person involved in this knew what they were doing.

21:26 Over a year after the war had ended, the intelligence services were still referring to Ishii as a general. In this message alone, it is shown that there is no doubt that humans were experimented on. Data already obtained from Ishii and his colleagues have proven to be of great value, they said, supplementing and complementing several phases of U.S. research. Really?

21:57 Were we researching? Were we experimenting on people too? This document goes on to say that Japanese information is the only known source of data from scientifically controlled experiments showing the direct effect of biological warfare agents on man. In the past, it would have been necessary to evaluate the effects on man from data obtained from animals.

22:27 Such evaluation was inconclusive, but now we have it. In addition to the results of human experimentation, such valuable data is available from the Japanese experiments on animals and food crops, which of course we used extensively after this. The voluntary imparting of the biological information may serve as a forerunner for obtaining additional information in the fields of research.

22:58 desirability of avoiding war crime involvement. Since it is believed that the Soviet Union possesses only a small portion of this information, and since any war crime trial would completely reveal that we have all of this data, it is felt that such publicity must be avoided in the interest of defense and security of the U.S. It is believed also that the war crimes prosecution of Ishii and his associates

23:27 would serve to stop the flow of information. It is felt that the use of this information as a basis for war crimes evidence would be gravely detrimental to Japanese cooperation. So they put the need for this information above accountability, using the threat of the Soviet Union that had been devastated. It goes on to say,

24:01 that information of Japanese biological warfare experiments will be of great value to our research program. In the interest of national security, because it's always about national security, it would be advisable to make this information available to other nations, as would be the case in the event of war crimes trial.

24:23 The value to US and Japanese data is of such importance to national security as it far outweighs the value of prosecuting them. The biological warfare information obtained from Japanese sources should be retained in intelligence channels and should not be employed in war crimes evidence. Under the recommendations of this message, it said we recommend that

24:53 General MacArthur and his chain of command approve these recommendations. After approval, the Joint Chiefs of Staff be requested to transmit a message to MacArthur providing they have no objections to this point of view. And all subsequent communications about this program be labeled top secret. The concern for secrecy is readily apparent.

25:20 This message went to everyone. It went to the State Department, the Department of War, Navy, Army, Joint Chiefs of Staff. They all knew. Despite precautions taken to keep these dealings secret, word leaked out among military circles. Before a written guarantee of non-prosecution could be provided to Ishii and his cohorts by MacArthur, the bureaucrats at the State Department became involved.

25:50 Such moves on the part of the military would not normally have involved the State Department unless plans were being made to bring them to the United States. There is also the possibility that the State Department became involved because the Russians knew about the labs and sent written protest demanding information from the allies.

26:22 that they had just fought alongside. The Soviets also had a few of the Japanese that had been in Unit 731, and they knew that all of the leadership had gotten out alive and likely picked up by the Americans because they all headed south, which is where the Americans were. In an updated top secret message sent from the Department of State,

26:55 who at the time was feeling heat from the USSR, this document was submitted. It's called the Interrogation of Certain Japanese by Russian Prosecutor. The Department of State cannot approve the proposal in, and they put the name of the document, that Colonel Ishii and his associates should be promised.

27:24 that biological warfare information given by them will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as war crimes evidence. It is believed on the basis of facts brought out in the subject paper that it is possible that the desired information can be obtained from Colonel Ishii and his assistants without these assurances. And it might later be a source of serious embarrassment to the U.S.

27:51 If the assurances were given in writing, at the same time, every practicable precaution should be taken to prevent this information possessed by Ishi from being made generally known to the public. It is therefore recommended, one, that MacArthur, without making any commitment to Ishi and the other Japanese, continue to obtain all the information. Two, that information obtained

28:21 be retained, in fact, in intelligence channels, unless evidence developed at the international military trial presents overwhelming reasons why that can no longer be followed. Three, that even though no commitment is made, the U.S. authorities, for security reasons, not prosecute war crimes against Ishii and his associates. So, in other words, the State Department is saying, we're fine with everything, just don't put it in writing. It might be embarrassing.

28:53 That's the bottom line. In a typical bureaucratic fashion, the message tosses the ball back to the military in MacArthur without making any commitment to Ishii in writing. In the very next sentence, the State Department officials let themselves a back door that the information thus obtained be retained, in fact, in intelligence channels unless it accidentally slips out.

29:24 It demonstrates plainly that the State Department was concerned about the USSR and what information they might find. And so they wanted nothing in writing. In an appendix B attached to that message, the Department of State transmitted its concern over discovery that American POWs were used as guinea pigs. Quote,

29:56 It should be kept in mind that there is a remote possibility that independent investigation conducted by the Soviets in that area may have disclosed evidence that American POWs were used as experimental purposes of a biological warfare nature and that they lost their lives as a result of those experiments. And further, that such evidence may be introduced by Soviet prosecutors in the source of cross-examination of certain major Japanese war criminals.

30:26 now on trial in Tokyo, particularly during cross-examination of the commander of the Kuomintang Army from 1939 to 1944, of which Ishii's biological warfare group was assigned. In addition, there's a strong possibility that Soviet prosecutors will, in cross-examination,

30:53 introduce evidence of experiments conducted on human beings by Ishii and his biological warfare group, which experiments do not differ greatly from those for which this government is now prosecuting German scientists. So everybody's acknowledging that Americans were experimented on and the American government is covering it up.

31:23 so they can extract more information to further their own biological warfare and chemical warfare capability. The State Department was doing its best to tiptoe around this issue and put the onus back on the military. Don't put anything in writing. Ishii and his officers found themselves between a rock and a hard place. They had to trust the Americans. Word of honor.

31:55 Former enemies of the emperor were members of the same force that they had used in the most painful and deadly experiments, which most died from. How could they now be trusted to honor their word and not seek revenge to prosecute them? Oh, don't worry. We don't give a shit about our military.

32:25 You're not going to get prosecuted. You all get to die of old age because we don't give a shit about our military. In secret meetings that occurred in 1946 in Kamakura, Ishii and his senior officers revealed all they knew about the biological warfare and experimentation on human beings. In return, a secret contract was made between the American representatives of Camp Dietrich, military intelligence, and Ishii.

32:55 Little did he she know that a message existed that did guarantee him and his subordinates immunity from prosecution and protection from the U.S. government. It was titled Message to MacArthur and probably sent by MacArthur. It came in two parts. Part one.

33:18 said recommendation in Part 3B is approved. Information obtained from Ishii and associates of biological warfare will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed in war crime evidence. Part 2 said all communications above subject will be classified top secret. Meanwhile, the war crime trials continued in Tokyo and in Nuremberg.

33:46 operating under a charter drawn up by the quote-unquote big four in london in 1945 the trials in germany operated under a new set of rules that defined war crimes in the past the term world war criminals referred to men guilty of conventional war crimes and this goes to the whole book that we were reading about where they had the big argument about um the senior

34:15 legal advisor in the State Department wanting a very narrow definition of a war criminal to be only applied to what the quote-unquote war criminal was doing to foreigners. And the guy that FDR had put on his war crimes tribunal in London wanted the expansive version of the definition.

34:44 to apply to the crimes that, especially in Germany, that they committed to their own citizens, like the labor camps and the gas chambers and that. And the State Department absolutely did not want that definition of war crimes used. They wanted a very narrow one so they could allow most of the people to escape punishment.

35:10 I don't know if you guys remember that whole book. If you've not been around for very long, if you're new, we went through like four different chapters of how this was a huge, big argument. And they eventually got the guy that wanted the more expansive war crime definition, which was in fact applicable with the labor camps and stuff like that. They got him fired after FDR died. So they did not use the...

35:39 broader, expansive war crimes definition so that they didn't have to try as many people. Plus they were rat lighting them out day and night to save the scientist. Technically, it didn't matter which definition they used. Ishii's group fell in both categories because he used British and Americans.

36:13 and local Chinese. And China was on our side fighting the Japanese. So it didn't matter. They were not Japanese citizens that were being experimented on. They were allies. So it didn't even matter. No matter what, Ishii and everybody that worked for him should have met a war crimes tribunal.

36:44 He bombed civilian cities with disease carrying bombs. He spread plague with flea infested rats. He injected civilian prisoners with various bacteria and poisons. He used civilians, men, women, and children, babies and pregnant women in experimentations. But because the government was now

37:13 using the Soviet Union big boogeyman, they decided that was going to provide the cover for justifying protecting Ishii. Under the secret protection of this covert clique of intelligence officials, not one senior officer of Unit 731 was ever prosecuted. In fact, they were not only protected, but prospered.

37:45 in the years after. Many ignoring Ishii's orders not to seek public jobs or teaching positions entered academia and became respected citizens of Japan. Others made fortunes in private industry doing medical research. Dr. Kozo Okamoto was a pathology squad leader in these experiments, conducted live

38:16 Experiments on prisoners became a professor at Kyoto University and director of medical department. He later became a professor emeritus of the university and medical director of Kinki University in Osaka. Dr. Kazu Kabe, who fed typhoid germs in milk to human prisoners,

38:43 to increase germs effectiveness by human cultivation, and who was responsible for testing at least one germ bomb on prisoners, joined the staff of Kyoto University and became a professor of bacteriology. Dr. Hisato Yashimura, the frostbite expert who froze people to death, joined the faculty of Kyoto Perfectoral Medical College.

39:13 later becoming its president. Kaneko, who was the unit's bomb expert, joined the Japanese National Institute of Health and continued bacteriological research. Colonel Sanders' interpreter, Nayato, fared even better. He opened a blood bank. I did a big post about this because this pissed me off. That speculated.

39:46 um then speculated it into one of the biggest and most successful multinational medical supply and pharmaceutical companies in the world the company known as the green cross corporation produces plasma artificial blood and cancer fighting cells at great profit subsidiaries included british-based alpha therapeutics

40:13 located in Norfolk, England, an alpha therapeutics corporation in Los Angeles. What this book did not include is what happened. They were spreading tainted blood, infecting people in Japan, Los Angeles, actually all over the United States, and the UK with HIV blood. He was gathering blood from the most...

40:44 high risk people like prisoners and selling it in transfusions to people with like, what's the word? What's that one thing? Hemophiliacs. They were actually, and I think the settlement eventually, it went on for years. So thousands of people died in America.

41:15 From a guy that the OSS slash CIA slash military protected, killing thousands of Americans later on with tainted blood. The settlement ended up being like over $600,000 at the end of the day. But again, it took years. He was a Unit 731 doctor that the State Department, the U.S. government.

41:46 and the military, as well as the intelligence people, protect it, who goes on to kill more Americans. Ishii, he kind of faded from public view into retirement in a village where he lived on a comfortable pension, paid for by us, until he died in 1959 at 69.

42:20 We paid the man who killed American military in the most hideous way possible. In the months that followed the end of the war, the American's intelligence community, along with career bureaucrats, discovered that they could operate outside both the law and human morality in the name of national security. National security would become the buzzword for doing whatever the hell you wanted to do.

42:50 No matter how immoral or illegal, all you had to do was use the phrase national security and classify it. Never to be seen again. In an effort to hide the existence of Unit 731 from the public and the branches of government mandated to care for veterans, it was successful for 40 years as a few surviving former POWs that were held.

43:23 In Unit 731 came forward to the VA claiming war-related disabilities that were cropping up as they got older, they were denied benefits by the government because the claims couldn't be substantiated because everything was classified. There are no records of such an incident taking place, they were told by the VA. Without written documentation,

43:50 That completely reported the incident. They had no way to approve the claim. It was because of this that the veterans, such as Pappy Wachow and Greg Rodriguez, banded together and organized an effort to bring the matter before Congress. It took a congressional investigation to declassify the records to get these men benefits that they should have always had.

44:19 If it had not been for those men coming forward, the existence of Unit 731 and its crimes and the government cover-up would have never been disclosed. So, that doesn't make your blood boil. I don't know what does. Okay, that's the end of that chapter. That's all we're going to cover today. We will go on to, and just for the record, and we're going to cover this.

44:55 But this is what happened in Desert Storm 1 in 1991. Unknown to all of us that were there. There were weapons, caches of biological weapons that, by the way, we sold to Iraq. That were bombed and released in the air. And that Desert Storm syndrome bullshit, we're going to find out whether it's in my lifetime or not.

45:23 that the exact same thing happened and we were all exposed to it and all of the symptoms that we all have, we're going to find out that the exact same thing happened to us and our government did the exact same thing to us. That's what we're gonna find out. That's why this pisses me off. Okay, I don't guess Bridget ever made it. Anybody have anything? I don't see.

45:54 If you guys want to come up on the mic, let me know. I'm going to go over on Rumble and see what we've got as far as chat goes. Let's see. Moneypenny, I'll bring you up. How are you doing? Good. I don't know the name of the book that you're currently reading from. It's the title. Yeah, it's the title. Okay.

46:31 So I know this is strange. I am currently reading or using Audible for a lot of it, a book that goes into the real data detail of paperclip. And so there is a very, very close synergy with all the biological testing and stuff you've been talking about. And no doubt that's what you're referring to when you said we're shortly going to find out what happened to the Americans, because I've been reading all about the recruitment.

46:57 You know, the German scientists, the integration, you know, the whole of Operation Paperclip obviously is all about, you know. The next chapter is Paperclip. Oh, wow. Well, I won't say anything. I will shut up. But there's a hell of a lot of synergy there. Yes, there is. And that's the part that I wanted to make clear to everyone. The only focus has ever been on Paperclip.

47:21 The exact same thing and much worse happened in Japan. And the reason why no one ever talks about it is because we have verifiable truth and facts that the Japanese experimented on American and British POWs. And we don't necessarily have that, although we know it.

47:45 To the extent that we have all of the declassified cables from the State Department that I was just reading, we have all of that from the Japanese side. And we have, you know, the guys that went to their congressman and finally got a congressional investigation in order to get the information declassified. It was all verified. They did, in fact, experiment and there were survivors.

48:13 thanks to the Soviet Union. It was the Soviet Union that came into that area that rescued, and that's a fact that's never talked about. They are the ones that rescued the Americans and British soldiers out of the Manchuria camps of Unit 731. The only thing the Americans were ever concerned with is picking up those scientists, not...

48:43 rescuing the Americans. They had known for almost a year that experimentation camp was going on because they had gotten that information out of interrogating some of the people that were basically couriers back and forth that had been picked up with samples and all kinds of documentation. The Americans knew about that place.

49:10 Travis? Yeah, I'll be fascinated to see it. The book that I'm reading is from Annie Jacobson. I don't know. It's just called Operation Paperclip. Yes, I have that book. Very good. Yeah. Yeah. Travis, go ahead. Travis? I was just going to say, the Iraq war, the CIA confiscated, I don't remember, it was a few hundred vials of

49:45 what they described as a most potent biological weapon from chemical Ali's stores, and transported it to New Mexico, turned it over to the Air Force, Kirtland Air Force Base, for testing. This information was not classified. The Air Force publicized it. When they received the material, they published it in...

50:15 both the local newspaper and the Air Force magazine that they had it and that they were testing it at Kirtland Air Force Base. That's weird because Kirtland Air Force Base, they have a lab, but it's really designed for space technology. I'll go look for that because that's really weird. That's not a place where something like that would be tested. Not in the Air Force anyway.

50:42 The stuff that we do in the Air Force like that would have been at a couple of different locations like Wilford Hall. We have two different things in San Antonio that do that type of testing. So I'll look for that. They have the new Sandia lab that I don't know exactly. Yeah, but that's not Air Force. The Sandia lab is not Air Force. Well, there's...

51:13 The main San Diego lab, which is, like you said, it's not Air Force. Yeah, it's DOD. The Air Force opened up a new lab, like right next to it, that's separate, that's Air Force Bio Lab. Okay. All right. I'll look that up. Either there or they're going to open it either there or in Rio Rancho. I don't remember. Okay.

51:44 which they settled on. It was one of those two places. But I have an excerpt from the article that says they're testing it at Kirtland. I'll post it in the comments. Sure. Thank you. I appreciate that. Pureblood, did you want to say something? I did. Thank you, Colonel. I caught you late. My husband is a USMC combat veteran from Death Storm 1.

52:15 I caught you late. So when you say what they were exposed to, are you talking about the burn pits and the oil fires? I'm talking about chemical weapons. Okay. Let me tell you why I ask. My husband has a group of about 10 that have stayed connected since the war. And one of the 10 committed suicide. And I hate that. Another of the 10.

52:45 died of renal cancer in October of 24. Another of the 10, and this is just a group of 10, was just diagnosed, but it was diagnosed early with renal cancer. I'm scared to death, to be honest with you. So just two out of the 10 have already been diagnosed with renal cancer recently. And the war was how many years ago? Well,

53:17 We're going to get to the Desert Storm chapter in this book. I can guarantee you they were exposed to biological weapons. I'm just so pissed off. Yeah. The more I listen to you, and I've been following you for a while, and I tell my husband things that I've learned, and it's just infuriating.

53:46 I thank you. I thank you for what you're doing now. And I thank you for your service. Thank you. Yeah, this whole thing pisses me off too. Obviously, I was in Iraq in 1991. I was there for six months. And in addition to the horrendous oil fires, burn pits, the fact that

54:13 There was actually other countries. And again, I was there. I worked for a two-star general. I saw everything this guy saw. I went with him everywhere. I was his aide. I can tell you that none of this, and unless he was in a meeting that I was not privy to, which is completely possible because we went to insert like to the higher headquarters a couple of different times. And he went into meetings that I didn't go into. But as a general,

54:42 knowledge, information. He had an intelligence officer on our staff. We met every night at 10 o'clock. The security guys was there. They talked about all of the crap that went on every day. At no time for six months during those conversations when all of this stuff happened, did any of this information get discussed. I can say that unequivocally. But there were two different countries who reported

55:12 that there, so there's detectors, there is equipment that is scattered throughout an area where you're operating that senses chemical and biological weapons. There are alarm systems that go off when that happens. That did happen in Northern Iraq a couple of different times because we had to put our mop gear on.

55:36 And now when I look back on it, I'm wondering whose equipment went off and in what sector, because our sector, we've traveled to all of them every day. But in order for that siren to go off for you to don your mob gear, they have to detect chemical weapons. Now they have practice ones as well, but you know in advance that they're practice ones. We had ones that were not practice. So whose equipment went off?

56:05 That happened more than once down range as well in southern Iraq, central Iraq. We didn't go there because we were on a completely separate mission in the north area that was called Provide Comfort. And so there are recorded instances where other countries.

56:28 chemical and biological warfare indicators went off and they had to turn the siren on for donning your mop gear. So that was actually verified. We're going to get to it in this book. So there was some exposure at some point. And of course, given what we know about our government, there's no way they're going to actually acknowledge that there were chemicals, weapons in

56:57 iraq in 1991 because they sold them to saddam hussein in the 1980s to use against iran and we have verification that's the case and so if you hit one of those locations in 1991 and you contaminate your own soldiers they would have every reason in the world to cover all of that shit up right so and anyway

57:30 Yes. Well, I mean, obviously it's going to come out when the majority of them die off. I mean, isn't that what happened in Vietnam with Agent Orange and shit? I mean. Sure. But the whole thing, and we're going to talk about Agent Orange too. The whole thing is.

57:46 It doesn't come out until enough of them die off for somebody to do an investigation. And then every single time our government is the one responsible and they have denied in the case of both these guys, 40 years for these guys, Agent Orange probably 30 years before they ever acknowledged that they had poisoned their own military with it.

58:14 And it's not that they didn't know. The warnings had already been well known when they decided to use it. Right. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you again for everything you do. And I follow you and try to listen to you as much as I can. Sure. Why are you so mad? Go ahead. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay. I'm just curious. I don't know how to say this.

58:47 Is this the same possible company that did the whole chemical weapons for Syria, United Technologies? Are you talking about, this is back post, we're talking, are you talking about in 1991? Or in 1991 when they sold those weapons? I've never actually looked, or I've never looked at who the source of them were. Okay. Well, I'm just curious because I know,

59:18 There is that gassing of the civilians supposedly done by Bashir al-Assad, which was not done by Bashir al-Assad. And that was a U.S. company, United Technology. Well, I don't know if it's a U.S. It's an international company based in the U.S., supposedly, that was providing the chemical weapons.

59:44 And I'm wondering if that's the same company that provided Saddam Hussein with the weapons. If you find the name of the company, send it to me in the DMs. Okay, I will. Okay. All right. Nigger Sard's over here explaining to people on Rumble what MOP is. Yeah, for those of you, it's funny because I was reading this book this weekend when we were down at the beach.

1:00:13 light reading for a beach weekend. And the friends there, it's my husband, one of his good friends who owns the house that we were staying in down there. And we went over for dinner at their house and there's a whole bunch of people.

1:00:33 there, and they were all very interested in the stuff that we study, and so that was pretty much the topic of the conversation for most of the time we were there, because obviously they had lots of questions, and I was telling them about the mop gear, because I was reading, I don't remember which one, I think it was the Desert Storm one, and I was explaining to them that, you know, the whole

1:01:03 donning of those things. And I was comparing it to the COVID where they told us that in order to be able to protect yourself, you could just wear this little dinky paper mask. And I know you guys have heard this many times because it still pisses me off that we had to put on this rubberized suit in 120 degree weather in Northern Iraq.

1:01:26 and you'd wear it for three or four hours before you got the all clear. And by the time you took the thing off, there was like a gallon of water in it because you sweated your ass off, all with the rubberized suit and the charcoal filters looking like some space alien. And that's what it actually takes to protect yourself against something that spreads in the air, not a paper mask. Just the entire ridiculousness of,

1:01:56 a paper mask, which of course is how I knew immediately that my government was lying to me again and everybody else should have. And every single person in the military and retired military knew, including the general officers that then turned around and mandated mask on base because they all went to the same chem gear training I did. So absolutely ridiculous.

1:02:27 But thank you, Maker Sarge, for being over there giving people the definitions. I love it. Annie, did you want to say something? Yeah. Was that the same one that had the depleted uranium or uranium that they exposed everybody to? There is.

1:02:51 The assertion that depleted uranium was in, but that's not what I'm, I'm not talking about depleted uranium. I'm talking about actual chemical weapons. Yeah, well, yeah, the oil fires, everything. He said, Zen told me that black stuff was running out of their noses, even with masks on and everything.

1:03:16 Well, we didn't wear our mask all the time. We only wore our mask when the alarm went off. A lot of people, because again, you're in uniform and the army's in charge everywhere and they don't let you wear, this is an honest story. We had for Memorial Day when I was in Northern Iraq, I spent weeks preparing a Memorial Day barbecue.

1:03:46 on the roof of the building that we were all in. There was thousands of us down there. And I had aircrafts bring in hamburgers, grills, everything so we could have a barbecue. And I had a whole slew of NCOs that were, I think,

1:04:07 this particular group were some of the security guys that were gonna do the barbecuing. And it was very windy on the top of this building and his hat kept falling off or blowing off. And so what he did was he took his hat off, stuffed it in his pocket and he tied a bandana over his head because again, it's 120 degrees. And so he didn't get blisters from the sun on top of his head.

1:04:33 Well, one of the news people that were there took a picture because they thought it was a really cool thing that we set this whole thing up, we meaning me, as a barbecue for celebrating Memorial Day when we're in Northern Iraq. And that picture made it on the front of, I think it was the Washington Post. And within an hour, there was a phone call to our two-star general.

1:05:01 I think it was General Shelton, the Army Chief of Staff, was screaming over the phone. I could hear him screaming at our two-star general about the unauthorized headdress being worn by the NCO to avoid being sunburned on the top of his bald head. So you are not authorized to wear things that were not issued to you. And the armies are like Nazis when it comes to that kind of thing.

1:05:31 Yes, because of the soot fires that were burning all around us, there was black shit in your nose all day long. Yeah, that's what he said. And I know you said you had a problem with your back from the anthrax. Yes. He's got a big problem with his back. He's always in pain. And the VA in Topeka sucks. Yes, it does. Yes.

1:05:59 And he said they had a swimming pool in there at one time. It was the only relief he could find. And they took it out. That's not surprised me. Yeah. But I invited him to come in tomorrow. Well, today and or tomorrow. But he said he he always tells me to tell me, let me know when you're in there. I like listening to the colonel. I told him.

1:06:27 Because he was probably there around the same time you were. Cool. Yeah. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Oh, I see Shelly the Kiwi. How are you, our New Zealander? All right, guys. That's it for today. We're going to get out of here and we'll continue the book tomorrow. You guys take care.

Entities here

United States25 Japan25 Unit 73120 Shiro Ishii20 Dr. Naito15 Soviet Union15 Murray Sanders15 Douglas MacArthur13 U.S. State Department13 Iran7 West Germany7 Fort Detrick6 Gulf War 19914 Tokyo4 United Kingdom4 Operation Paperclip4 The Naito Document3 United States Department of Veterans Affairs2 U.S. Navy2 London2 World War II2 International Military Tribunal for the Far East2 U.S. Army2 Alpha Therapeutics2 Kyoto University2 Kirtland Air Force Base2 Joint Chiefs of Staff2 Los Angeles2 General Shelton1 Kuomintang1 China1 U.S. Congress1 Cold War1 National Institute of Health1 Manchuria1 War Department1 United Wa State Army1 Yokohama1 Kamakura1 Tomoyuki Yamashita1

Claims made here

Shiro Ishii headed Unit 731 documented ▶ 1:15

“As a result of not warning everybody what they were. So we're going to finish up Unit 731 today. This chapter is called the NATO document and the hunt for Ishii, which is the general that was the Unit…”

Douglas MacArthur ordered_assassination_of Murray Sanders host_asserted ▶ 3:57

“It was a merchant marine ship loaded with technical specialists that had been dispatched to Japan under orders directly from General MacArthur. Their mission was to find the Japanese scientists and in…”

Dr. Naito member_of Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 5:57

“was that Naito was a member of Unit 731. And he knew who all the others were and where they were located. In the following weeks, Sanders set up an office at Daishi Building in Tokyo. That was the loc…”

Murray Sanders recruited Dr. Naito host_asserted ▶ 5:57

Murray Sanders threatened Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 7:01

“One doctor after another, one biologist after another, one scientist after another. Colonel Sanders began collecting all of this information. And he was initially finding out that not all of the docto…”

Dr. Naito founded The Naito Document host_asserted ▶ 9:08

“try something else. He produced what became known as the Naito document. It was 12 pages of handwritten paper, gave the entire structure of Unit 731, including the chain of command, and who it reporte…”

Douglas MacArthur ordered_assassination_of Murray Sanders host_asserted ▶ 13:10

“Sanders met with MacArthur and a representative from military intelligence. And after a debate, MacArthur decided that the information could be gleaned from the Japanese far outweighed any war crimes …”

Douglas MacArthur pardoned Shiro Ishii host_asserted ▶ 13:42

“MacArthur said. If you feel you cannot get all the information, we're not given to torture, which is a lie. So offer him that promise as coming from General MacArthur. Get the data. Within three weeks…”

Unit 731 carried_out_attack United States host_asserted ▶ 14:13

“crawled in with a set of blueprints. The plans were the diagrams of a biological bomb. The man then said a hundred of these bombs had been constructed, that several had been tested by detonate them in…”

Murray Sanders interrogated Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 14:43

“Sanders was stunned. Sanders returned to MacArthur, but was told to keep investigating. The statement provided by one unknown person wasn't enough to stop the deal. None of the statements were enough …”

United States funded Unit 731 book_quoted ▶ 21:26

“Over a year after the war had ended, the intelligence services were still referring to Ishii as a general. In this message alone, it is shown that there is no doubt that humans were experimented on. D…”

U.S. State Department covered_up Unit 731 book_quoted ▶ 26:55

“who at the time was feeling heat from the USSR, this document was submitted. It's called the Interrogation of Certain Japanese by Russian Prosecutor. The Department of State cannot approve the proposa…”

Shiro Ishii member_of Kuomintang book_quoted ▶ 30:26

“now on trial in Tokyo, particularly during cross-examination of the commander of the Kuomintang Army from 1939 to 1944, of which Ishii's biological warfare group was assigned. In addition, there's a s…”

Douglas MacArthur pardoned Shiro Ishii book_quoted ▶ 33:18

“said recommendation in Part 3B is approved. Information obtained from Ishii and associates of biological warfare will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed in war crime evidenc…”

Shiro Ishii headed Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 35:39

“broader, expansive war crimes definition so that they didn't have to try as many people. Plus they were rat lighting them out day and night to save the scientist. Technically, it didn't matter which d…”

Unit 731 carried_out_attack China host_asserted ▶ 36:44

“He bombed civilian cities with disease carrying bombs. He spread plague with flea infested rats. He injected civilian prisoners with various bacteria and poisons. He used civilians, men, women, and ch…”

United States protected Shiro Ishii host_asserted ▶ 37:13

“using the Soviet Union big boogeyman, they decided that was going to provide the cover for justifying protecting Ishii. Under the secret protection of this covert clique of intelligence officials, not…”

Kozo Okamoto member_of Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 37:45

“in the years after. Many ignoring Ishii's orders not to seek public jobs or teaching positions entered academia and became respected citizens of Japan. Others made fortunes in private industry doing m…”

Kozo Okamoto appointed Kyoto University host_asserted ▶ 38:16

“Experiments on prisoners became a professor at Kyoto University and director of medical department. He later became a professor emeritus of the university and medical director of Kinki University in O…”

Kazu Kabe member_of Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 38:16

Kazu Kabe appointed Kyoto University host_asserted ▶ 38:43

“to increase germs effectiveness by human cultivation, and who was responsible for testing at least one germ bomb on prisoners, joined the staff of Kyoto University and became a professor of bacteriolo…”

Hisato Yashimura member_of Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 38:43

Hisato Yashimura appointed Kyoto Prefectural Medical College host_asserted ▶ 38:43

Nayato member_of Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 39:13

“later becoming its president. Kaneko, who was the unit's bomb expert, joined the Japanese National Institute of Health and continued bacteriological research. Colonel Sanders' interpreter, Nayato, far…”

Nayato founded Green Cross Corporation host_asserted ▶ 39:13

Green Cross Corporation funded Alpha Therapeutics host_asserted ▶ 40:13

“located in Norfolk, England, an alpha therapeutics corporation in Los Angeles. What this book did not include is what happened. They were spreading tainted blood, infecting people in Japan, Los Angele…”

Green Cross Corporation trafficked United States host_asserted ▶ 40:13

United States paid Shiro Ishii host_asserted ▶ 41:46

“and the military, as well as the intelligence people, protect it, who goes on to kill more Americans. Ishii, he kind of faded from public view into retirement in a village where he lived on a comforta…”

United States covered_up Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 42:50

“No matter how immoral or illegal, all you had to do was use the phrase national security and classify it. Never to be seen again. In an effort to hide the existence of Unit 731 from the public and the…”

United States Department of Veterans Affairs denied_benefits_to Pappy Wachow host_asserted ▶ 43:23

“In Unit 731 came forward to the VA claiming war-related disabilities that were cropping up as they got older, they were denied benefits by the government because the claims couldn't be substantiated b…”

Pappy Wachow exposed Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 43:50

“That completely reported the incident. They had no way to approve the claim. It was because of this that the veterans, such as Pappy Wachow and Greg Rodriguez, banded together and organized an effort …”

U.S. Congress declassified Unit 731 host_asserted ▶ 43:50

United States sold_arms_to Iran host_asserted ▶ 44:55

“But this is what happened in Desert Storm 1 in 1991. Unknown to all of us that were there. There were weapons, caches of biological weapons that, by the way, we sold to Iraq. That were bombed and rele…”

Soviet Union rescued United States host_asserted ▶ 48:13

“thanks to the Soviet Union. It was the Soviet Union that came into that area that rescued, and that's a fact that's never talked about. They are the ones that rescued the Americans and British soldier…”

Annie Jacobsen authored Operation Paperclip caller_asserted ▶ 49:10

“Travis? Yeah, I'll be fascinated to see it. The book that I'm reading is from Annie Jacobson. I don't know. It's just called Operation Paperclip. Yes, I have that book. Very good. Yeah. Yeah. Travis, …”

United States sold_arms_to Saddam Hussein host_asserted ▶ 56:57

“iraq in 1991 because they sold them to saddam hussein in the 1980s to use against iran and we have verification that's the case and so if you hit one of those locations in 1991 and you contaminate you…”