The Colonel's Corner The Great Pretense Part 3

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0:00 I don't know what's going on with my computer. My video stopped playing and I have a black screen. Let's try this again. Still a black screen. Let me get out of here. We can hear you over here though. Yeah, my video just stopped playing and I don't know. Let me see if I can get back in there. That's so crazy. Nope.

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1:39 Hang on. Okay. I mean, Guatemala. So, hang on. What you don't see is me dancing around the kitchen. Right. I heard you. Well, it's playing more over there than it did on my computer. That's funny. Like I said, I heard you when you responded to me in the video. Sorry. That's crazy. There it went. It just started working again.

3:29 All right. Turn it off, Bridget. All right. So it started working again. I don't know what's going on with my computer. It's a new computer. Well, not newer. I mean, it's only like six months old. So I don't know what's going on. Okay. All right. So we're on chapter six of The Great Pretense. And we're going to talk today. We finished the Kiki Camarena story.

3:59 So this chapter is called Death Undercover. It starts off in Houston with a guy by the name of Roland Carnaby. C-A-R-N-A-B-Y. He's handcuffed and bleeding profusely from a gunshot wound. He'd been shot in the back. A group of Houston police officers were standing around looking.

4:30 at the body as he bleeds out. 15 minutes later with Carnaby still handcuffed and bleeding an ambulance arrives to supposedly take him to the nearest emergency room. He's lifted into the ambulance but it doesn't go to the nearest emergency room. It takes him 10 miles away to Houston's

5:00 called Ben Taub Hospital through crazy traffic. He's pronounced dead. Inside of his Jeep were two handguns, a shotgun, and CIA credentials. There's a laptop computer and a book called Divided Life. The end of his life started about an hour before the fatal.

5:33 bullet shot or killed him. This was on April 29th, 2008. It started after he was stopped for a speeding on Highway 288 by a Houston cop. Carnaby was a Lebanese American. Then he made the fatal mistake of telling the officer that he worked for the CIA.

6:06 The traffic stop also resulted in them running a check on him for a concealed firearm permit. That was apparently too much for the police officer to take in. Here was a middle-aged Arab with guns claiming to work for the CIA in Houston. Of course, we have the hysteria that was created.

6:40 in the aftermath of 9-11. So after checking the background via his squad car and failing to confirm his story, he returned to the black Jeep and asked him to step out. Fearing that he was going to be arrested and his vehicle impounded, he took off because apparently he had classified information on his laptop computer. So he sped off.

7:11 A high-speed chase, going as fast as 120 miles an hour, proceeds for about 15 minutes. Once it came to a stop on the freeway, it was surrounded by Houston Police Department squad cars. Of course, they're going to be angry, on the edge, and they rushed the Jeep. Moments later, as he exited his vehicle, they just opened fire on him.

7:46 No get on the ground, no nothing. They just start shooting him and the one bullet hit him in the back. They would later say that they thought he was reaching for a gun. Only after his Jeep was impounded with the police buying, there were the three weapons in his car. They didn't even know they were there. None of them were anywhere near him when he was shot.

8:23 Of course, immediately the entire Houston Police Department collaborates to get their story straight. Two Houston cops had just shot an unarmed man in the back. It had been the 10th fatal shooting by cops in Houston that year. Of course, everything was going to be downplayed. And it was immediately broadcast that it was a dangerous Arab terrorist.

8:54 That had been taken off the streets of Houston. No mention of the fact that he had identified himself as a CIA agent or operative. His widow, Susan, believes that the police acted improperly leading to the death of her husband. She filed a lawsuit claiming that his constitutional rights were violated. At least several.

9:25 law enforcement sources had told the author that she had a good case. This is a quote from one of his sources. As a former federal agent, my opinion is based on 28 years of experience consisting of police training for uniformed officers, internal investigator training for special agents, and numerous management training courses. Based on the video of the Houston Police Department statement about the shooting,

9:56 Houston Police Department did not seem credible based on many factors. A high-speed chase is no justification for shooting, the source said. The Houston Police Department now believes they did a computer query and found that Carnaby had a gun permit. If he had a gun permit, he had a background check. Hence, where is the potential danger? I am certain that a computer query

10:26 If it was done to find reasons why the vehicle would flee and to ascertain whether the subject was wanted, which would have said wanted, armed and dangerous, which it didn't because he had never been accused of a crime. The officers did not have to approach the vehicle. The driver did not have a gun in his possession. The video does not show any object falling from his hands when he fell.

10:55 after being shot. The source also says it is an unwritten rule for law enforcement to always say there's a shiny object when they fire their weapons. If no public safety was an issue, why didn't they wait to negotiate a surrender? What was the urgency? In the weeks after this encounter with Houston's police department, there was a whole bunch of things that happened.

11:29 One camp asserted, with anonymous sources, of course, that he was a CIA agent and that his death was an assassination, part of a wide-ranging conspiracy involving the Israeli intelligence Mossad, George H.W. Bush administration neocons, and a prostitution ring linked to Deborah Palfi, who was considered the D.C. madam.

11:59 who coincidentally died, allegedly hanging herself in a shed in her mom's property in Florida a few days before this encounter. There's another camp that said, Carnaby was an imposter with a big ego and was no way connected to the CIA. Their viewpoint,

12:26 was supported by the fact that the CIA, according to media reports, guess what they said? He has no connection to the CIA because that's what they say about everybody. Assuming Carnaby was a CIA agent marked for an hit, which itself isn't beyond belief, of course, as we know, they would not necessarily choose to target a person in public.

13:00 Maybe stage it as a carjacking gone bad, something like that. Assuming Carnaby's death was an assassination sponsored by some other entity that maybe have been in league with U.S. officials, why leave the trail of evidence, video, audio, eyewitnesses, a body, as well as the identity of the killers, the Houston cops caught on their own dash cam?

13:34 Intelligence agencies have access to professional contract assassins, which we know to be true. Though such a conspiracy is not completely impossible, it does seem highly improbable. As far as the conspiracy camp that claims Carnaby was an imposter, well, that view doesn't even hold water.

14:04 either, according to the author. He says that he was able to confirm on record that Carnaby, in fact, was a major player in the CIA, despite the CIA's claim to the contrary. The confirmation comes from Susan Carnaby's lawsuit asserting the same. The CIA credentials found in his Jeep, the photos of him at CIA headquarters.

14:33 and the book he owned that had been signed with a personal note from none other than George Tenet himself, a former director of the CIA. Attorney Mark Conrad served as a supervisory special agent who had oversaw nine states and two different foreign offices for internal affairs of the U.S. Customs Service. He was also a member

15:00 of the Houston chapter of the Association for Intelligence Officers. And guess who was the president? Carnaby, the guy they shot and killed and left laid to bleed out in the road. He was the president of the Houston chapter of the Association for Intelligence Officers. Conrad says while he was a federal agent, he had the occasion to work with the CIA.

15:31 on various missions, and he's very familiar with how they operate. Conrad says he considered Carnaby a friend and confirmed that Carnaby did in fact work for the CIA and was considered a valuable asset. He had done clandestine activity. Whatever the CIA needed, Conrad said, he did. In the spring of 2007, at one of their chapter meetings in Houston, Conrad says he was present with James

16:04 Pavitt, P-A-V-I-T-T, the former deputy director of operations for the CIA. In public at their meeting, he lauded Carnaby publicly for his dedication to the United States and his service to the CIA. Conrad goes on, quote, what happened makes no sense. There is much going on behind the scenes, and I can assure you that this nation has lost a true, absolute, unsung hero and that the clandestine services.

16:35 of the free world have lost a true friend. I am proud to have known him and the cheap and dishonest crap that has been put out makes me sad. This nation will never know the extent to which this nation and the rest of the free world is indebted to Roland Carnaby. Those are not my words, though they are my belief, but the words were said in my presence by James.

17:02 Pravitt, the former deputy director of the CIA clandestine operations about Rowland and his family in the spring of last year, 2007, unquote. Conrad also said he attended a national meeting in Reston, Virginia in the fall of 2006, which if you look at the list of people that belong to this organization, it's the who's who of intelligence.

17:30 And they had people there from the CIA, FBI, and DHS, including Charles Allen, the Undersecretary for Intelligence and Analysis at DHS. Conrad says he sat at the same table with Carnaby, who had asked Allen, a speaker at the event, if the port of Houston was on the radar in terms of security threats. Allen told Carnaby,

18:01 that it was in fact a problem. As it turns out, Houston cops were a bigger problem for Carnaby. Conrad adds that he didn't think Carnaby was on a full-time status with the CIA at the time of his death, that he had started doing contract work for the CIA. It was not clear the nature of Carnaby's work at the time.

18:38 Though it appears, sources indicate that Carnaby had a special interest in port security in Houston. Now remember, several years before that, Houston was where the three Pakistanis were arrested trying to take nuclear triggers out of the country. Same place, Houston. He also said that he had been engaged in CIA business in Latin America.

19:11 According to the attorney representing Carnaby's widow in federal court, it seems clear that the reason he sped away from the Houston police in April of 2008 was to protect national security interests. His laptop computer, which was with him in the Jeep that day, contained sensitive information regarding his national security investigations, according to his wife and her lawyer. In the wake of his death,

19:41 The laptop was examined by Secret Service. Huh. Secret Service. Not the CIA. Secret Service. This is a quote from the lawsuit. The officers at the scene were told by the Houston Police Department superior to arrest him for something which would entail impounding the vehicle and its contents.

20:09 including the laptop with the sensitive information on it. He knew that arrest would mean getting booked and jailed without the ability to communicate with anyone for many hours and that vehicle's contents are something stolen from impound lots and police property rooms routinely. Carnaby then drove off in a police chase and sued. During the chase, the FBI contacted

20:38 Houston Police Department and confirmed Roland Carnaby's status and asked them to call off the chase. Now, picture this. How in the hell did the FBI instantly, because of computer systems, obviously, know that a CIA asset is being chased down the highway in Houston, Texas by the Houston Police Department?

21:09 And the FBI contacts them and tells them to stop. And they not only don't stop, but they kill him by shooting him in the back. The legal proceedings also indicate that Carnaby frequently worked as a contractor for various federal agencies, not just the CIA, providing information investigations into security risks for the U.S.

21:46 That included the FBI, the Secret Service, and the CIA. In addition, in the lawsuit, quote, two Houston police officers shot at Roland Carnaby, striking him in the lower back when they were not in objectively reasonable fear of their lives or the lives of others. Instead of administering any aid to the gunshot wound, they handcuffed him and left him laying face down on the street.

22:16 When the Houston paramedics arrived at least 12 minutes later, they did not take Roland to the nearest emergency room, but to a hospital 10 miles away through busy Houston streets. Roland died of a gunshot wound to the back, which caused fatal loss of blood. Before he died, Roland experienced great pain and knowledge and fear of his impending death, unquote. So if a grand jury, or excuse me, a grand conspiracy,

22:49 Or was it a hit? The simple truth is that this type of thing is not isolated in the United States. It is an ugly truth revealed in the campaign that was launched against him by smearing him as a potential foreign asset.

23:23 and a threat. Susan Carnaby's quest for justice for her husband ultimately came up short. Her lawsuit was dismissed by the court without merits of her case being heard by a jury because of quote unquote qualified immunity. Chapter seven, during a top secret Senate select committee on intelligence report released in 2014,

24:03 The CIA's post 9-11 detention interrogation program shines a light on the details of the program. Waterboarding, rectal feeding, sleep deprivation, coffin cells, and various other things to include people coming out of these sessions with broken bones. The Senate report.

24:36 The declassified version was released in December of 2014. Makes clear the CIA officials attempted to play the media like a fiddle and selected certain aspects of the classified program for release. The CIA manipulated the rules on classified information to serve its own interest, according to a director of the Federation of American Scientists project on government secrecy.

25:06 The Senate report cites many examples. The CIA Office of Public Affairs and senior CIA officials coordinated to share classified information on CIA's detention and interrogation program to select members of the media to counter public criticism, shape public opinion, and avoid potential congressional action to restrict CIA's authorities and budget. These disclosures occurred when the program

25:35 was classified as a covert action program, unquote. Obviously, that's very concerning because of the law that says you technically cannot be a CIA whistleblower going directly to Congress without going through CIA first, which then potentially ends up in your death.

26:04 And it says whistleblowers can face years in prison for disclosing classified information. So the Senate committee found the CIA officials leaked information to the media and no further investigation of them doing that was ever conducted. Does that sound familiar? It should, because that's what happened in the 1970s too. Quote.

26:31 In seeking to shape press reporting on the CIA detention and interrogation program, CIA officers and CIA Office of Public Affairs provided unattributed background information on the program to journalists for books, articles, broadcasts, including when the existence of the CIA detention and interrogation program was still classified. When the journalist to whom the CIA

26:59 had provided background information, published this classified information, the CIA did not, as a matter of policy, submit any crime reports or even complain because they had provided the information for release. One of those was a correspondence written by the deputy director of CIA Counterterrorism Center in 2005 as a torture program was beginning to unravel.

27:31 We either get out and sell or we get hammered, which has implications beyond the media. Congress reads it, cuts our authorities, messes up our budget. We either put out our story or we get eaten. There's no middle ground. They actually wrote this. The same CIA officer explained to a colleague that when the Washington Post New York Times quotes senior intelligence officials, it's us.

28:03 authorized and directed by the CIA's Office of Public Affairs, unquote. So the information leaked to the media via these quote-unquote authorized leaks of classified information on operations of the CIA detention interrogation program and the effectiveness of the enhanced interrogation techniques was inaccurate, according to the Senate report.

28:33 So in essence, the CIA operated as a propaganda machine, laundering classified information that you and I would go to jail for saying, as part of a larger effort to deceive the American public of the shortcomings that they knew about of their own torture program. And then the author takes us back to 1974 when politicians were pointing out the basic flaws.

29:05 As Representative William Moorhead, at the time Chairman of the Foreign Operations and Government Information Subcommittee of the House, stated in 1974, on one hand, the full power of the government's legal system is exercised against certain newspapers for publishing portions of the Pentagon Papers and against someone like Daniel Ellsberg for his alleged role in their being made public. This is contrasted

29:32 with other actions by top executive officials who utilize that technique of instant declassification of their own leaking when they want it leaked. Sometimes it is an off-the-record press briefing or backgrounder that becomes on the record at the conclusion of the briefing or at some future point in time when they authorize it.

30:03 unquote. That's how the game is played. In reality, if you are high enough in the government and have the power to classify and declassify information, you face no risk in being prosecuted. According to White House background press briefing, President Barack Obama's administration deemed that the normal declassification process should be followed as opposed to instant

30:33 declassification approach. However, they did exactly the opposite. One other quote says, we do believe that there's a value in declassification where we can provide additional transparency, but we believe that it should take place through normal channels and procedures, unquote, while they leaked like a sieve. According to another report,

31:03 There is little to stop agency heads and other high-ranking officials from releasing classified information to persons without clearances when it is seen as suiting government needs. The Attorney General has prosecuting discretion to choose which leaks to prosecute and which ones not. If, in fact, a case can be made that a senior official has made

31:32 or authorize the disclosure of classified information successful prosecution under current laws may be impossible because those senior officials also generally have declassification authority. And of course, there's no protection for anybody else. Chapter eight, classified leak. A former CIA manager was questioning

32:02 the way the intelligence agency had handled national security risk relating to Jeffrey Sterling, a former CIA officer who was convicted on espionage charges in early 2015 for leaking classified information to the New York Times, James Risen. Luttrell Osborne, a 27-year veteran of the CIA, says he at one point served as a case officer.

32:33 overseeing spies and assets in over 30 countries. He says that he befriended Sterling, who, like Osborne, was African-American. During the course of the discrimination lawsuit Sterling initiated against the CIA in 2000, the litigation was ultimately dismissed by the courts in 2006. Why? Because the CIA said it would compromise national security, of course.

33:08 He says that he had decided to assist Sterling in his discrimination case because he felt like he had been railroaded inside the CIA, according to Osborne. He had been a CIA employee from 1957 to 84. I bet he saw a lot. Osborne was running a consulting firm after retiring from the CIA until his death in 2023, because of course he was.

33:43 Osborne says the CIA certainly was aware of his relationship with Sterling and or at least should have been as the world premier intelligence agency. Osborne said that the CIA never contacted him about Sterling prior to or during the course of this supposed criminal investigation targeting Sterling. But there was an investigation that led to Sterling's indictment in 2010 and his subsequent conviction in 2013.

34:14 And it had been ongoing as early as 2008, according to New York Times reporter James Risen. If the CIA was truly concerned about Sterling was leaking classified information, then the agency should have vetted anyone who had been in his confidence, including one of his friends and former CIA officers. But no.

34:43 The federal grand jury in Virginia found that Sterling was guilty of nine criminal counts relating to charges that he had provided classified information to Risen. During the periods of 2001 to 2006, Risen wrote State of War, including a chapter detailing CIA covert plans to derail, ready, Iran's nuclear development capabilities. Sterling.

35:16 was 47 at the time of his sentencing, and was assigned from 1998 to the mid-2000s as an operational unit, to an operational unit that was overseeing Iran's program. It was dubbed Operation Merlin, according to the court documents. The government's case against Sterling was made with circumstantial evidence, phone records, phone calls, emails.

35:47 That was exchanged between Sterling and Risen between 2003 and 2005. None of them, none of them had a smoking gun or classified information in them. None of them. Sterling lawyers argued that the trail of emails and phone calls dovetailed into the time of his discrimination lawsuit against the CIA, which was written about during that time.

36:18 by Risen. The defense argued that there was a number of other potential sources for Risen's book, including the Senate Select Intelligence Committee staffers, given Sterling in 2003 provided information to them legally as a whistleblower. Wow. Think about that. So he provided whistleblowing information to Congress, which is as

36:54 Much a mafia as anything else. So did Congress tell the CIA that? And that this whole thing was staged in order to arrest the guy that was a whistleblower? Who knows? The DOJ engaged in a controversial battle across the Bush Jr. and Obama administration to force Risen to reveal his sources into Operation Merlin. Here's an excerpt.

37:26 from Risen's book, State of War. The Russian assignment from the CIA as part of Operation Merlin was to pose as an unemployed and greedy scientist who was willing to sell his soul and secrets for an atomic bomb to the highest bidder. By hook or crook, the CIA told him he was to get the nuclear blueprints to the Iranians.

37:57 They would quickly recognize the value and rush them to their superiors in Tehran. In Vienna, however, the Russian unsealed the envelope with a nuclear blueprint and included a personal letter of his own to the Iranians. No matter what the CIA told him, he was going to hedge his bets. There were obviously something wrong with the blueprints, so he decided to mention the fact to the Iranians in his letter.

38:26 They would certainly find flaws for themselves, and if he didn't tell them first, they would never want to deal with him again. Several former CIA officials say that the theory behind Merlin handing over tainted weapons designs to confound one of America's adversaries is a trick that has been used many times in the past, stretching back to the Cold War. But in previous cases, such Trojan horse

38:54 operations involve conventional weapons. None of the former officials had ever heard of the CIA conducting such a high-risk operation for a nuclear bomb. The former officials also said that that kind of program must be closely monitored by CIA managers in order to control the flow of information to the adversary. If mishandled, they could easily help.

39:23 an enemy accelerate its weapons development program. That may have been exactly what happened with Merlin. So, isn't that weird? That's very weird. Not only do we know that we paid for the Pakistani nuclear program during the 80s with the quote unquote war on drugs and funding the Mujahideen, but the CIA gave

39:56 operational with some flaw built in nuclear plans to Iran, Operation Merlin. Ultimately, the DOJ backed down from calling Rison as a witness as Sterling's trial got underway in mid-January of 2015. Government attorneys argued that Sterling was a disgruntled.

40:25 former CIA employee, motivated to strike back at the agency and that convictions based on strong circumstantial evidence was not out of the ordinary. You don't need any evidence. Just all of this other shit over here that's not actual evidence of anything. But there's a lot of it. So go ahead and convict him. But Osborne's criticism has more to do with the CIA's internal procedures than Sterling's criminal case itself.

40:57 He said that the agency may have pushed the criminal case against Sterling in retaliation for his whistleblowing as well as his already filed discrimination lawsuit. So Osborne points out that CIA attorneys did not try criminal cases and the CIA itself has no arrest powers. Once a suspect is identified as potentially leaking classified information, it's turned over to the FBI and DOJ.

41:33 However, that does not absolve the CIA, he says, as part of the internal investigation to determine the extent of the leak, because there may be accomplices. What was compromised as a result of that? Because he had had a relationship with Sterling, the CIA should have had interest in anything that Osborne wanted to say, but they didn't.

42:01 The CIA unit responsible for protecting classified information from disclosure is the Office of Security. That's where we found all of those colonels that was running the profile checks on everybody, both domestically and foreign, that were corrupt as hell. That unit should have been on the job and identifying a potential hole in security. And yet Osborne says again,

42:36 No one from that office ever contacted him, even though they knew they had a close personal relationship. Osborne adds that he placed a call to the CIA in early February of 2015, shortly after Sterling's conviction, but was never contacted back by the agency. And the guy worked there for decades. Osborne says the fact that the CIA investigators never questioned him.

43:03 prompts suspicion that Sterling was not the national security threat the agency pretended him to be, just someone else that could be targeted. Dean Boyd had been the director of the CIA's Office of Public Affairs, who had previously served at U.S. Customs and Immigration, was quoted as saying, the criminal investigation of Jeffrey Sterling

43:30 and his unauthorized disclosure of classified information was conducted by the FBI. The criminal prosecution was handled by the DOJ. As you may know, determinations on potential witnesses or interviews to be conducted in connection with criminal investigations are within their purview. No, the security of the CIA is the purview of the CIA.

43:57 And it would be logical for the CIA security office to reach out to a former CIA guy to ask if he ever had any casual conversations with him about the stuff that he was purported telling a reporter. That's CIA, not DOJ, not FBI. So very interesting. Going back a little bit further, the CIA office of security had been called out for doing its job.

44:39 properly on many occasions. In March of 2014, Senator Dianne Feinstein, was chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, had commented in public that the CIA and its top lawyer had illegally spied on the Senate and charged

45:08 That was charged with the investigation of George W. Bush's terrorist practices. She accused the CIA of seeking to intimidate Senate committees by asking the DOJ to investigate the same staffers based on what she described inaccurate information. Oh, you mean they made up lies? Gave it to the DOJ and said, you need to go investigate these Senate staffers because they're investigating us.

45:37 Feinstein did not publicly identify the CIA lawyer that she accused of orchestrating this attack on the Senate staff. White House spokesman Jay Carney subsequently confirmed that it was then-acting CIA General Counsel Robert Eatinger, E-A-T-I-N-G-E-R. The Senate staff was utilizing secure computers that had been set up by the CIA that allowed them to examine.

46:09 millions of documents to prepare their report on terrorism-related detention interrogation program. Here's just a hint, never get onto CIA computers. In the course of preparing the report, the CIA alleges that the Senate staffers illegally hacked into the agency's computers to obtain other information, creating the basis for Edinger's

46:43 Request for a DOJ investigation. Senate staffers maintain the information in question was contained in a trove of records made available to them by the CIA. So somehow this CIA computer that they gave to the Senate staffers, they found other stuff somehow. That's the accusation. And it was them accessing this other stuff.

47:10 which is almost impossible on a SIPRnet, just FYI. There's so many stovepipe sectioned off ways of keeping that from happening. Like when I was at CENTCOM, we didn't have an unclassified computer on our desk. Everything was SIPRnet. I didn't have access to anything in the J2 because I didn't work there. I wasn't ready in any of their programs.

47:39 I could have looked around on that computer system all day long and I would have never had access because those accesses are tagged to your login, what you're allowed to look at, what you're read into. So I'm calling bullshit on that one. There was a five-member CIA accountability board, which included three CIA officials that were assembled to investigate the matter. Oh gosh, rest assured.

48:14 They issued findings in January of 2015 that concluded CIA personnel had done nothing illegal. Imagine my shock. Regardless of the extent of the violation or intent of those involved, someone should be held accountable, Dianne Feinstein said.

48:46 Attorney General Counsel Bob Edinger by personnel in the CIA's Office of Security. The actions of these people were ignored by the CIA Accountability Board. The CIA Accountability Board, have you ever heard anything more Orwellian than that? Not even the Office of Public Safety beats that. CIA Accountability Board. Holy crap.

49:15 So essentially, a U.S. senator claimed that the CIA's Office of Security lied to the DOJ as part of an effort to launch a criminal investigation against the staffers who were investigating the CIA. That's the nuts and bolts of it. The national security cloak was evoked another time when former spy manager Sterling's discrimination and espionage cases

49:45 which meant select information related to his case would be withheld from his attorneys. And they do this every single time we've documented it. Just like when they did Noriega's case, they preemptively agree that his lawyer, the defendant, and the prosecution cannot ever mention the word CIA during the entire trial. He was on the payroll of the CIA.

50:17 for many many years but in pre-trial negotiations or directions because of national security you're not allowed to say those words and therefore they have an entire trial without ever saying those words and no one ever knows and they convict him while he was doing what the CIA was paying him to do and I've got a feeling

50:46 That's exactly what's going to happen with this recent thing that came up in the last couple of days where they want to indict Raul Castro for killing those four people that were in aircraft. They're Cuban exiles. They were CIA trained people.

51:13 that had been dumping those leaflets, the propaganda shit and flying missions along the coast of Cuba. And they scrambled a fighter jet and shot them down, killing them. And in any other scenario, if you had Chinese planes flying along the coast of the United States, dropping all kinds of shit, not including Biden, we're not gonna count him in his stupid Chinese balloon.

51:44 The normal reaction of any country would be to shoot those aircraft down. We have fighter squadrons around the entire perimeter of the United States with those orders that are on 24-7 standby. They launch immediately to do exactly that. And then the thought that you're going to put somebody on trial for doing it for their country, when this was not one incident, that group,

52:15 had been doing that for a very long time. That is also the same group and the same members that bombed the airplane going from Venezuela to Cuba with the fencing team on it. It's the same group that had put car bombs in cars in Miami because Castro, Rayol Castro, ordered the aircraft to intercept them and shoot them down. They're looking at indicting him for that.

52:50 I'm sorry, that's just bullshit. So also, the book goes on to talk about the use of national security and mentions former DEA agent Richard Horn, whose mission in Burma, now Miramar, was sabotaged by the CIA. Wrote an email exchange with the author.

53:17 Saying, obviously, the information classification standards can be very flexible when it suits their purpose. As the CIA station chief in Burma once told me, lying is our stock in trade. So the end of the story is Serling was handed a 42-month jail sentence for disclosing classified information that they couldn't find.

53:50 New York Times writing the story of Iran's nuclear weapons program, which was in no way ever attributed to him. So that's crazy. Okay. So we're on chapter nine and we're going to stop there for the evening and pick up there on Monday. There is just so much garbage in there, isn't it? I mean,

54:28 They can interfere with a, just in the very beginning, you were talking about the pursuit, the car pursuit. Yeah. But they can't find any of the trafficked children in the country. Yeah. Just saying. Yep. Just saying. Yeah. Carnaby. Rolling Carnaby. Yep. Just crazy. It's just crazy how, you know, they never were legit.

55:02 Never. Never. I agree. Hi, Illini. How are you? Hey, Colonel. I'm doing well. Happy Friday. Same to you. Yeah, I guess the only other connection that kind of jumped out at me is, you know, James Risen recently wrote a book about two years ago on Frank Church, which is an interesting read. It kind of overlaps a lot with...

55:31 Operation Gladio from 1948 to the 70s, as well as Operation Mockingbird. He kind of details all the retaliation that Frank Church went through getting that committee through and all the information that he exposed. So, I mean, I guess it kind of gives you a sense of

56:02 of where Risen is coming from as, as a journalist, he's, he's kind of clearly a liberal kind of in the mold of Jefferson Morley of the Washington Post who, who covered the JFK assassination stuff over the past 35 years. So, you know, it's, it's, it's interesting that they would go after him. That's all. What, what's his book again?

56:30 Frank Church. I think it's like The Last Great American Patriot or something like that. Okay. Yeah, I haven't, I don't know that I've even heard of that. It's a good reference. It seems to overlap a lot with Paul Williams. It overlaps a lot with The Mighty Wurlitzer. I'm trying to remember the author of that book. Yeah, I have that one.

56:58 But it's just sort of another corroborating source going through some of the same material and some of the same primary sources that Paul Williams and others have gone through. Yeah. Interesting. And isn't it weird that people like that, that make their living doing this, never connect any of that to Operation Gladio? Well, Risen kind of does. I think...

57:29 But does he use it? Does he use the terms? I don't think he uses the term. I put him at least as credible as Seymour Hersh. You know, obviously there's the occasional problem and, you know, people can argue that there's potential compromise. But if there's a clear conflict of interest between the public and the government, he usually kind of comes out on the side of the public. Right.

57:57 Yeah. And those to me are the best sources. You don't want somebody in the tank, but because you want critical analysis of the material that you're covering. And unfortunately, when you look into this stuff, you've got, you know, obviously this guy has a little.

58:19 leftist bent, to use their terms, Bill Conroy, Doug Valentine does, but you cannot refute the sourced material because they source it all. Yeah, I mean, if James Vision is saying that the old regime seemed to be helping Iran get a bomb a little bit, that's material. Now, was this all in the vein of Stuxnet or something like that? I don't know.

58:47 the CIA might be able to try to worm their way out of that one with, hey, you know, we were trying to blow up their centrifuges and basically give them a whole bunch of false information and hack their systems. But, you know, if James Risen is, I mean, look, you have the authority of a New York Times journalist coming out and saying that this happened, which gets a lot harder.

59:13 for the mainstream media and people demanding that we use credible sources, it gets a lot harder for them to refute that. And obviously, if it's Seymour Hersh or if it's James Risen, they'll probably cover the stuff that they find purely embarrassing to the CIA where there's no conflict of interest with the public. They will probably try to cover that in pastel or gloss over it. But I think...

59:42 I think there's a case that this guy's doing his job. I don't know. Right. I agree. Yep. Okay. Um, Diane, did you want to say something? Go ahead. Diane, go ahead. Diane. Oh, it just showed her drop back down. She might be having some issues, uh, connecting. Let me try and re add her. Yeah. X did an update today and it didn't, um, help any, um,

1:00:38 It was very difficult to open the space. I got that white screen when I went back to my reminder. And then, well, she's gone. All right. So it's the weekend. For those of you, I don't have the link yet. They've not sent it to me. I got to talk to Michael Yan last night.

1:01:07 My friend, Lieutenant Colonel Steve from the Tommy podcast roundtable that we do with EM and General Blaine Holt and Tommy on the weekends, which we will do one on Sunday, texted me like at eight o'clock last night and said, hey, we're going to be.

1:01:35 we're on with Michael Yan right now, and he's talking about stuff you know about. Can you come on? And I'm like, I guess. So I got on. We spent probably about 45 minutes talking. I'd never been able to talk to him directly. I don't think we politically agree on a lot of stuff, but I greatly admire his work that he has done. I don't know.

1:02:03 of anybody that's more well-traveled. And one of the funny things we were talking about, when I came on, the first thing I heard him say was about all of the fake countries that they set up after World War II. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is for me. And so later on in the conversation, he was talking about Asia and Taiwan. And I'm like, well, talk about fake countries.

1:02:32 And so, you know, I was talking to him about my research about the Tibetans and, you know, the Dalai Lama being on the CIA payroll and having CIA agents on his security detail and the Tibetans being trained in these terrorist training camps and unleashed inside of China. And I kind of named some of the different places. And of course, then he's talking about

1:03:00 I don't remember if it was him or me that brought up Nepal because Nepal was one of the places that they were launching, using as a terrorist training camp. And he went in to, and again, because he's traveled so much, he was in Nepal a few years ago and they were filming a movie with their version of John Wayne, whatever that movie star is. He mentions his name because he got to meet him. That was reenacting.

1:03:29 the leftovers of these terrorist training camps in Nepal because when the CIA cut them loose, they couldn't get their guns back. They couldn't untrain them. And they started shit in Nepal and they were killing people in Nepal. And the government finally said, screw this and just mowed them all down.

1:03:56 The movie was about the Nepalese government fighting the CIA trained agents that they had basically unleashed in their country and left them stranded there. And so I was just fascinated with the conversation. So we are going to try to do another one tonight if he's available.

1:04:26 It happens, it will be around seven o'clock local time. And I will post his Rumble channel after we get done. So you guys can log on in the chat if you want. But the conversation was fascinating. It is very interesting to talk to someone who knows about this type of stuff. Dionne, go ahead and try again.

1:04:55 hello good evening from berlin can you hear me all right yes um hello everyone on the panel as well good evening um thank you so much for bringing that up with jeffrey sterling i had the privilege of working with him advocating for him i was working exposed facts at the time and so very little in terms of that cluster um espionage act abuses that were you know being perpetrated there uh when he was convicted in 2015 yep and he's a very

1:05:27 eloquent man and you have to understand what happens to these people when they go after you like it's literally to bankrupt you destroy you try to destroy your marriages um there's a couple of films out there um i did put an article below because he could be a contributor to the intercept later when he was allowed to work i tried to get him uh to come to germany because he couldn't find a gainful employment in the u.s at the time after um he was released

1:05:56 it's really terrible what they've done to some of these people. And they were just trying to do the right thing. And as you mentioned, you know, it was basically, you know, a nothing burger, circumstantial evidence. And really, I think it was like a test case in terms of, can we go after the journalist and the source at the same time? So it really was an egregious chapter there. Thanks for raising that. Sure. That's what we do. We find these, because it all comes back to,

1:06:26 the power that has been vested in the CIA and their evil use of this extraordinary power. We've talked many times that they have a rubber stamp for anything that they do called national security. And they hide behind that constantly of their own wrongdoing.

1:06:51 Their power has increased to the point now where they can target anybody and ensure that whoever they target ends up in jail. The process is the punishment. And they make sure that they torture Americans in the only way they can, which is with the judicial process at this point. I mean, obviously.

1:07:19 they can kill them because they've done that too. But when they're trying to make a statement of don't do this, the process is the punishment. Yeah. So, okay. So with that, again, this book is going to go relatively quickly. We're on chapter nine and we will continue on Monday at four o'clock.

1:07:51 I will sometime this weekend, I thought I was going to do it tonight, continue our Federal Reserve book and exposure of the Rockefellers in our premium series over on Rumble, which I have to do. I don't like doing it because I don't like having people to have to join as a premium member to do it. But this program that Rumble has for us to do podcasting.

1:08:20 In order to have a channel that gets the widest dissemination and visibility on the Rumble thing, you have to do five hours of premium content a month. I don't like that. Our agreement up front three plus years ago was that nothing is going to be behind a paywall.

1:08:46 I would be doing a disservice to our normal material if we don't keep our account over on Rumble in the upper echelons of visibility. So I don't do these kinds of books that have all of this juicy stuff. Like I did the U2 thing. Bridget, were you ever able to figure out how to download those and upload them as regular content? Not as of yet.

1:09:15 Okay. If we can do that, I am going to do that. The U2 series that I did for the first couple of months, there's several of them. It's fascinating. And you find out, like somebody posted today about the SR-71, and not that I don't love the SR-71, but how great it is and how the Soviets had targeted it. And, you know, it was flying so fast and so high. And I'm like,

1:09:40 No, no, unless you know something that has not been declassified. The declassified SR-71 document from the CIA says that the SR-71 was never flown over the Soviet Union. They stopped flying over the Soviet Union proper in 1960.

1:10:04 I think it was 60 when they shot down the U-2, no president after that ever authorized an overflight of the Soviet Union because it was close to a standoff with them as a result. Plus it was very embarrassing. And so the SR-71 never, according to all information out there, never did an overflight over the Soviet Union. So it does provide some very interesting information.

1:10:34 That has become very relevant, especially when you're looking at the JFK assassination in the lead up to that and Lee Hardy Oswald. Because it was through reading that document that we discovered the timing of Oswald working on the U2 program in Japan. And that he was in Russia at the time that...

1:11:02 powers was shot down. So it did add to our overall knowledge of information. Plus, you guys know I grew up in aircraft maintenance. I'm fascinated by airplanes. So I found it very interesting. Dionne, go ahead. Oh, she dropped down again. And also I found that something that I'd never, I have the desktop.

1:11:33 history um book uh one of the SR-71 um crashes one of the um pilots was very severely burned um and I got to meet him I don't recall his name off the top of my head at the Reno air show um several years ago and he had published um like the copy table books of the SR-71 which I read um fascinating book um but I don't recall in that book

1:12:03 that he knew the story about the fact that it was actually supposed to be the RS-71, not SR-71. And when Johnson announced publicly that we had that aircraft, he transposed the letters. And so instead of embarrassing the president, they just changed it to RS. It was not SR because that's what Johnson spoke out loud. That was not the actual designation for the aircraft. It was RS.

1:12:33 And I didn't know that. So you can always find little tidbits of information in these historical documents, which is why I love what we're doing. All right, you guys have a nice weekend. Thanks for joining us. And we'll be back Monday at four o'clock. And like I said, I'll post the link to Steve's channel once we get off here. Take care, everybody.

Entities here

CIA50 Shooting of Roland Carnaby25 Roland Carnaby25 Houston22 Jeffrey Sterling19 Houston Police Department17 James Risen12 U.S. Congress9 CIA Detention and Interrogation Program9 Mark Conrad8 Iran7 Operation Merlin6 CIA Office of Security5 Luttrell Osborne5 Jeffrey Osborne5 Soviet Union4 James Pavitt4 Association of Former Intelligence Officers4 The New York Times4 John Edinger3 Claire George3 Susan Carnaby3 Accountability Review Board3 Gary Powers2 The Washington Post2 Operation Gladio2 Seymour Hersh2 Raul Castro2 Paul L. Williams2 Dianne Feinstein2 Jeffrey Michael Yan2 Frank Church2 United States Secret Service2 Nepal2 Cuba2 State of War2 CIA Office of Public Affairs1 Dean Boyd1 Jay Carney1 Lyndon B. Johnson1

Claims made here

Houston Police Department assassinated Roland Carnaby host_asserted ▶ 8:23

“Of course, immediately the entire Houston Police Department collaborates to get their story straight. Two Houston cops had just shot an unarmed man in the back. It had been the 10th fatal shooting by …”

Susan Carnaby ordered_assassination_of Roland Carnaby speculative ▶ 11:29

“One camp asserted, with anonymous sources, of course, that he was a CIA agent and that his death was an assassination, part of a wide-ranging conspiracy involving the Israeli intelligence Mossad, Geor…”

Roland Carnaby member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 14:04

“either, according to the author. He says that he was able to confirm on record that Carnaby, in fact, was a major player in the CIA, despite the CIA's claim to the contrary. The confirmation comes fro…”

Roland Carnaby member_of Association of Former Intelligence Officers book_quoted ▶ 15:00

“of the Houston chapter of the Association for Intelligence Officers. And guess who was the president? Carnaby, the guy they shot and killed and left laid to bleed out in the road. He was the president…”

James Pavitt headed CIA book_quoted ▶ 16:04

“Pavitt, P-A-V-I-T-T, the former deputy director of operations for the CIA. In public at their meeting, he lauded Carnaby publicly for his dedication to the United States and his service to the CIA. Co…”

CIA covered_up CIA Detention and Interrogation Program documented ▶ 24:36

“The declassified version was released in December of 2014. Makes clear the CIA officials attempted to play the media like a fiddle and selected certain aspects of the classified program for release. T…”

Jeffrey Sterling member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 32:02

“the way the intelligence agency had handled national security risk relating to Jeffrey Sterling, a former CIA officer who was convicted on espionage charges in early 2015 for leaking classified inform…”

Luttrell Osborne member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 32:02

Jeffrey Sterling exposed Operation Merlin book_quoted ▶ 34:43

“The federal grand jury in Virginia found that Sterling was guilty of nine criminal counts relating to charges that he had provided classified information to Risen. During the periods of 2001 to 2006, …”

Jeffrey Sterling spied_on Iran book_quoted ▶ 35:16

“was 47 at the time of his sentencing, and was assigned from 1998 to the mid-2000s as an operational unit, to an operational unit that was overseeing Iran's program. It was dubbed Operation Merlin, acc…”

CIA funded Operation Merlin book_quoted ▶ 37:26

“from Risen's book, State of War. The Russian assignment from the CIA as part of Operation Merlin was to pose as an unemployed and greedy scientist who was willing to sell his soul and secrets for an a…”

CIA funded Mujahideen host_asserted ▶ 39:23

“an enemy accelerate its weapons development program. That may have been exactly what happened with Merlin. So, isn't that weird? That's very weird. Not only do we know that we paid for the Pakistani n…”

CIA funded Pakistan host_asserted ▶ 39:23

CIA carried_out_attack Operation Merlin host_asserted ▶ 39:56

“operational with some flaw built in nuclear plans to Iran, Operation Merlin. Ultimately, the DOJ backed down from calling Rison as a witness as Sterling's trial got underway in mid-January of 2015. Go…”

CIA covered_up Jeffrey Sterling guest_asserted ▶ 43:03

“prompts suspicion that Sterling was not the national security threat the agency pretended him to be, just someone else that could be targeted. Dean Boyd had been the director of the CIA's Office of Pu…”

CIA spied_on U.S. Congress documented ▶ 44:39

“properly on many occasions. In March of 2014, Senator Dianne Feinstein, was chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, had commented in public that the CIA and its top lawyer had illegally …”

John Edinger framed U.S. Congress documented ▶ 45:08

“That was charged with the investigation of George W. Bush's terrorist practices. She accused the CIA of seeking to intimidate Senate committees by asking the DOJ to investigate the same staffers based…”

CIA funded Manuel Noriega host_asserted ▶ 50:17

“for many many years but in pre-trial negotiations or directions because of national security you're not allowed to say those words and therefore they have an entire trial without ever saying those wor…”

CIA trained Cuba host_asserted ▶ 50:46

“That's exactly what's going to happen with this recent thing that came up in the last couple of days where they want to indict Raul Castro for killing those four people that were in aircraft. They're …”

Raul Castro ordered_assassination_of Cuba host_asserted ▶ 52:15

“had been doing that for a very long time. That is also the same group and the same members that bombed the airplane going from Venezuela to Cuba with the fencing team on it. It's the same group that h…”

CIA sabotaged Richard Horn book_quoted ▶ 52:50

“I'm sorry, that's just bullshit. So also, the book goes on to talk about the use of national security and mentions former DEA agent Richard Horn, whose mission in Burma, now Miramar, was sabotaged by …”

James Risen exposed Operation Mockingbird host_asserted ▶ 55:02

“Never. Never. I agree. Hi, Illini. How are you? Hey, Colonel. I'm doing well. Happy Friday. Same to you. Yeah, I guess the only other connection that kind of jumped out at me is, you know, James Risen…”

James Risen exposed Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 55:02

CIA trained Nepal host_asserted ▶ 1:02:32

“And so, you know, I was talking to him about my research about the Tibetans and, you know, the Dalai Lama being on the CIA payroll and having CIA agents on his security detail and the Tibetans being t…”

CIA funded Dalai Lama host_asserted ▶ 1:02:32

Lee Harvey Oswald member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:10:34

“That has become very relevant, especially when you're looking at the JFK assassination in the lead up to that and Lee Hardy Oswald. Because it was through reading that document that we discovered the …”