The Colonel's Corner The Great Pretense Part 2

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0:05 okay welcome everybody um we're going to get started where we left off um i don't know what's going on with my hair yeah oh that's from where i put my glasses on my head i'm like i got this big knot in my head um anyway okay it's really weird seeing yourself on the camera on these things but

0:34 Anyway, had a wonderful lunch with my former deputy when I was stationed at CENTCOM today. She had just 50th anniversary at the Academy of Women being admitted into the Academy. She was the class of 87, which of course was several years after the first class, but got to see all of her old girlfriends there.

1:01 She was telling me, just kind of filling me in on some of the controversy. There were people there that were trying to work up people and create situations that they could video about being an all-female type of, well, hello.

1:25 That's the whole purpose of it. It was a celebration of the integration of the academy. And so it's just weird how these pendulums swing. And I told you guys earlier when somebody made that viral post about, oh my gosh, there's a women's movement on the campus at the academy and they were portraying it as like some kind of a protest.

1:53 when it was a reunion. That's it. And very celebratory. And the picture of the person has a hat. She wore her 50th anniversary t-shirt. We go to Mission Barbecue, which for those of you who don't know what that is, a bunch of army buddies got together and created.

2:16 a barbecue place that has now been franchised and they're all over. And every day at noon, and we make sure we get there at 10 minutes till noon, every time, we do it once a month so that we can, they play the national anthem and all the cops come and eat there. Like there was probably 10 cops cars when we got there and like four fire department because they have memorabilia of the military, the fire department. On 9-11, we scheduled.

2:45 our lunch for September because her and I were together on 9-11 working at U.S. Central Command. And they had a big celebration. They had the fire trucks out in the parking lot with a big flag hanging. And it was an amazing ceremony. So anyway, I'm all excited. Okay, to our book. So we're on part two of The Great Pretense. Again, this book is going to go fairly fast.

3:14 We are in Chapter 3, A Legacy of Cover-Ups, and we covered Panama and a few others. So we're at Venezuela now in the 1990s. And the book talks about, I'm going to read some back and forth of a 60 Minutes clip that we probably have all already seen, because this is when the CIA had infiltrated the National Guard in Venezuela.

3:43 And that's the cartel De La Sole. And they were on the payroll of the CIA trafficking drugs. And that's where we found before the 1990s, Jeb Bush's first job was as a banker in Venezuela as their money launderer. And so they're talking about that particular operation and how the...

4:08 DEA had refused to sanction the operation because the CIA had approached them to go in dibs with them. And the DEA had refused. Judge Robert Bonner was in charge of the DEA at the time. The shipment was intercepted by the Border Patrol in Miami. And there were over a ton of cocaine on the ship.

4:38 the vehicle. And the CBS transcripts of a show that they aired in November of 1993, less than a month after Bonner's term as administrator of the DEA had ended. So this is the interview. Morley Safer says, a ton of pure cocaine worth hundreds of millions of dollars is smuggled into the US. Sound familiar? Not.

5:05 the way this ton of cocaine got here. According to the former head of the DEA, told 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace, the drug shipment got here courtesy of what he calls drug trafficking by the CIA in partnership with the Venezuelan National Guard. While rumors of the CIA involvement in drug trafficking has circulated for years, no one in the U.S. government has ever publicly charged the CIA with this kind of wrongdoing.

5:34 It is not the kind of accusation anyone in the government would make without thinking long and hard. Well, the government was implicated in drug trafficking in the 1980s because of Gary Webb. Mike Wallace then says, let me understand what you're saying. A ton of cocaine was smuggled into the US by Venezuelan National Guard.

6:01 Robert Bonner, the recently retired head of the DEA administration, says, well, they, and then Mike interrupts, in cooperation with the CIA? That's what, that's exactly what appears to have happened, Judge Bonner says. Mike Wallace then says, while CIA headquarters has declined to answer our questions on camera, off camera, a CIA official included in the Venezuelan cocaine operation.

6:30 did. We talked to some people at the CIA. They said the DEA does the same thing all the time. What? So that makes it okay? They let drugs walk. They let drugs into the traffic and look the other way to further an important goal, fund their covert operations. Judge Bonner then says it's absolutely untrue. And frankly, it may be.

7:01 It displays the kind of ignorance that makes the CIA dangerous in this area. It is wrong for an agency of the United States to facilitate and participate in allowing drugs to reach the streets. And apparently, if the CIA doesn't understand that, then I would be concerned that this kind of incident could be repeated. It has been repeated. It had gone on for decades prior to that. And the DEA has been involved. As a matter of fact, we've...

7:31 covered the fact that anybody in the DEA that spoke up at some level, whether it was at Judge Bonner's level or not, they were basically stuck in a closet until they were so frustrated that they would simply retire. The book then moves on to Nicaragua. The following excerpt is from the U.S. Department of Justice Office of IT in a special report that was authored in December of 97.

8:02 The introduction, the San Jose Mercury News articles, which is Gary Webb. On August 18th, 1996, the San Jose Mercury News published the first installment of a three-part series of articles concerning crack cocaine, the CIA, and the Nicaraguan Contra Army.

8:25 It goes on and says, the Dark Alliance series recounts how Ross began peddling small quantities of cocaine in the early 1980s and rapidly grew into one of the largest cocaine dealers in Southern California until he was convicted of federal drug trafficking charges in March of 96. The series also said it was Oscar Danilo Blanton and Norwin Menendez.

8:56 Two individuals with ties to the FDN, one group comprising the Nicaraguan Contras. And the FDN, just for a reminder, is the former Samosan National Guard element that had been actively involved in drugs for decades. Blanton and Menendez reportedly sold tons of cocaine to Ross, who in turn converted it to crack and sold it to the black community of South Central.

9:24 Blanton and Menendez were said to have used their drug trafficking profits to fund the Contras. Then he goes on, the author does, to Latin America in general. And it says the CIA cut ties with some 400, or excuse me, 100 foreign agents with roughly half of them in Latin America, according to a March 1997 report in the New York Times. CIA employees.

9:49 called case officers or handlers, recruit and manage agents called assets or informers in countries around the globe. The New York Times went on to say that the CIA's purge of its informers in the last two years focused heavily on Latin America. Military officers and government officials in countries like Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Panama.

10:16 The agency found that the violence and corruption of scores of their informers were so bad and the quality of information they provided was marginal. It went on to say the Latin American division of the CIA clandestine service proved to be the one most riddled with foreign agents who were killers and torturers. What they're talking about is basically Operation Condor.

10:44 In fact, the Times reports that one unnamed government official estimated that up to 1,000 foreign agents, about one-third of all of the CIA foreign agents on the agency's payroll in 1995, were no longer providing useful intelligence, had committed civil rights violations, or were involved in criminal activity that outweighed their value of information that they were providing for the CIA.

11:11 The CIA is the one that trained them to do that. It also went on to say that more than a thousand clandestine agents were in fact purged from the CIA roster. In an essay he penned in 2020, former Deep Cover DEA agent Mike Levin, who worked extensively overseas in sensitive DEA operations, raised the following question concerning CIA's so-called Operation Agent.

11:44 scrub, quote, why is it that in 1995, when CIA director John Deutch conducted a review of the handling and payment of CIA agents and informants on the payroll, and it was determined that more than 1,000 CIA agents and informants had been selling their CIA officer handler false information while being paid and protected from prosecution for every kind of felony imaginable, including smuggling.

12:11 vast quantities of illegal drugs into the U.S. Not a single CIA officer or agent was ever investigated. They were classifying their drug smugglers as informants and assets to protect the drug operations coming into the United States, which is why no one was ever held accountable. Southeast Asia.

12:40 According to author and journalist Doug Valentine, who spent a lifetime shedding light on the clandestine alleys of CIA operations, described some of the agency's narco history in Pisces Moon, The Dark Arc of Empire, which I also have read, quote,

13:02 Another brutal truth is the CIA ran a massive drug trafficking conspiracy in Southeast Asia. Indeed, the CIA in 1967 rewarded Vang Pao, leader of the CIA-backed Hmong army, with his own airline so that he could ferry opium from the CIA base in Long Tien in the northern highlands of Laos to the capital.

13:26 of Laos, where it was cooked into heroin by a Chinese chemist operating under protection of the CIA's Major General Radicone, the commander of the Royal Laotian Army. The Laotian Opium War was widely reported. In 1972, Al McCoy outlined the battle in his seminal book, The Politics of Heroin of Southeast Asia.

13:54 This book right here, which is in our top five to do. In 1990, even Major General Richard Secord, a major player in the Iran-Contra scandal, acknowledged to Doug Valentine that that was all true. As he said in his intimate fashion, quote, we didn't deal drugs in Laos. If we did, it was policy, unquote.

14:23 Secord also served as the chief of CIA air operations from 66 to 68 at Udorn Royal Thai Air Base in Thailand, which is the base I visited. According to Doug Valentine, quote, the pilots Secord managed in Laos, which shares a border with Thailand, were provided by the CIA proprietary companies Air America and Continental Airlines.

14:51 The CIA's footprint in the drug war is so deep, yet covered quickly by the sands of time. And when its tracks are discovered, and that does happen time to time, the agency is quick to gaslight and pivot and attack the messenger. Bowden said, that's the guy we met in the first chapter, his friend, quote, I also have a sense of the one ability of the CIA.

15:21 cover-ups. I agree that they fuck up covert operations. That's why Gary Webb had his series on the CIA's connection to the drug trade, but they did do a fine job on destroying Gary, i.e. cover-up. A running timeline, and they basically go through it. I'm not going to go through it because we've already went through it.

15:48 What the author does at the end of the chapters going forward is he starts accumulating a timeline of all of the CIA's nefarious things that are covered in each chapter. It's great for someone doing research. Part two, threads of the clandestine world. What you find when you start looking at the CIA, the DOD, the Department of Homeland Security, FBI, and DEA, and the operatives,

16:22 that have played on team, each one of them. There's some people that play on multiple teams. The author learned that these so-called agency operatives, assets, and spies often hide behind front companies called shell companies. They pose as business professionals or specialize in criminal activity. One,

16:51 that the author met was an expert in carrying out black bag jobs. Others were talented in contraband pilots. Some earned a living as mercenaries. The main thing that the author learned through his investigation is that things are rarely as they seem. One of the few takeaways is that the CIA and its allied agencies can be authorized to operate

17:21 with immunity, and the blowback regularly comes ashore in America. If you want to understand this world, you have to pay attention to history and patterns, like we do, because it leaves a trail across multiple seemingly unrelated cases. There is a pattern, and that's what we have become good at in recognizing that pattern. Chapter four, the Snow Queen.

17:53 Bolivian President Evo Morales on March 3rd, 2011 held up a book for the world to see during a military ceremony in La Paz, Bolivia. The book was La Guerra Falsa. The tomb Morales displayed for the cameras that day translates into the Big White Lie. It's a book written by a former deep cover.

18:23 DEA agent Mike Levin, I also have read that book and I have it out in the cottage. His book exposes the CIA's corrupt involvement in the drug war, including its role in the cocaine coup in Bolivia in 1980. The narco regime change replaced Bolivia's interim president, Lidia Galera Tejeda.

18:53 the first woman to ever serve as president of Bolivia, with a ruling junta comprised of expatriate Nazis like Kloss Barbie and drug dealer Roberto Suarez, the perfect solution to the CIA who loves Nazis and drug people. It was CIA-directed and U.S. taxpayer.

19:27 Levin wrote a 2002 essay titled Mainstream Media, The Drug War Shields. Morales' critics argued that the Bolivia stability was in jeopardy because it had been a magnet for global narco-trafficking in the wake of Morales' several years earlier kicking the DEA out of Bolivia.

19:53 Consequently, the critics reasoned Morales should let the U.S. counter drug agency back into Bolivia, the ones actually facilitating the drug trade. Morales, who is hated by the CIA, actually kicked the DEA out because he realized that they were responsible for the drug trafficking, along with the CIA. Morales, in 2008, accused the DEA of espionage.

20:22 and funding criminal groups trying to undermine his government, because they were, along with USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy. On March 6, 2011, Levin penned a statement in reaction to Bolivian President Morales' decision to display a Spanish version of the Big White Lie at a press event three days earlier in Bolivia. Quote, on March 3, 2011, President

20:51 Evo Morales, vowing that DEA would not be permitted to enter Bolivia, cited the book, The Big White Lie, as proof of CIA's use of the war on drugs to manipulate his and other governments. When Bolivian President Evo Morales held up the book by Michael Levin for the photo that would rocket around the world, claiming it was proof the DEA and CIA

21:17 Protecting the biggest drug traffickers in the world and using the drug war to manipulate, control, and even overthrow governments. He was wrong about one thing. The big white lie doesn't blame DEA solely. It lays the blame on the CIA ultimately. The big white lie by Mike Levin and Laura Kavanaugh.

21:41 Published in 1993 is an insider's account of deep cover sting operation that was called the greatest undercover sting operation in narcotics history by Penthouse Magazine. Written in August 1992 by Jonathan Kandel. A covert operation that succeeded in penetrating to the top of the cocaine trafficking world at a time when Bolivian cartel ran by Roberto Suarez.

22:09 was responsible for more than 90% of the cocaine in the world. Based on secretly taped recorded conversations and videotapes, The Big White Lie is a nonfiction, fly-on-the-wall look at how the undercover team of DEA agents, posing as American mafia family, with the secret aid of the then Bolivian government, succeeded in uncovering what would soon become

22:39 Corporation, the General Motors of Cocaine, the prime source of America's crack cocaine explosion, only to learn that the cartel leaders were on the payroll of the CIA. Levin, in one of many interviews that the author conducted with him personally, explained that in 79 and 80, the center-left Bolivian government under Lydia Guaterer

23:11 Tejeda, had agreed to work with DEA in targeting the nation's major narco barons. That included individuals like Roberto Suarez, Jose Gasser, and Alfredo Guartores. That prompted these narco traffickers cloaked in the garbs of legitimate businessmen to partner with elements of the Bolivian military.

23:37 The insurrectionists were assisted by former Nazis, literally Kloss Barbie, who had been dubbed the Butcher of Lyon for the brutal torture tactics he employed in Nazi-occupied France during World War II. Together, they organized a successful coup against Guadalier's government. Levin said the CIA backed this cocaine coup.

24:04 and that many of its chief architects and key players were top narco-traffickers in Bolivia on the CIA's payroll. The cocaine coup made Bolivia a South American narco-state in the early 1980s, a major supplier of cocaine to the U.S. during that period, in which the ruthless U.S.-based cocaine narco-traffickers Griselda Blanco and Papo Mejia

24:36 were fighting for control of the Miami network. Griseldo Blanco, 69, was cut down in front of a butcher shop in Medellin, Colombia in early September, 2012 by a middle-aged man who was delivered to the murder scene on the back of a motorcycle and who calmly, methodically jumped off the back of the bike, held a gun to his head and shot two bullets,

25:07 into her brain. Blanco, prior to her death, had been pumped up as a rock star on the drug war by the U.S. mainstream media and Hollywood inspired films like Cocaine Cowboys.

25:25 In fact, at the time of her death, several feature films about her life as a big cocaine dealer and killer in Miami in the 70s and 80s were reportedly in the works, including one starring Jennifer Lopez, was supposedly seeking to play the leading role as Narco Queen in hopes of winning an Oscar. In 2024, Netflix released a serialized drug war drama on Blanco's wife called Griselda.

25:56 starring Sofia Vergargo. But Blanco, like so many other U.S. media-created narco antiheroes, is more fiction than reality, and a prime example of how U.S. news coverage of the drug war has become essentially indistinguishable from fiction manufactured in Hollywood.

26:20 Barack Vega, a longtime CIA asset in the 90s and early 2000s, helped to broker cooperating source deals on behalf of U.S. law enforcement agencies with dozens of major Colombian narco traffickers. When the author interviewed him, Vega described Blanco as a mid-level player in the cocaine business.

26:45 She, quote, she was made out to be the queen of cocaine, but there were much more powerful people involved. She was responsible for killing a lot of people, but she wasn't the biggest killer, unquote. The biggest hitman at the time in the Miami cocaine wars in the early 1980s was a Venezuelan named Rafael Rodriguez. His nickname was Almilcar. Many of the people that

27:15 Blanco claimed she killed, he actually killed, and allowed her to take credit for it. Blanco had made a long list of deadly enemies by the time she was 69, after serving years in U.S. prison prior to being deported in 2004 to Colombia. Her assassination on the streets of Medellin happened in the fall of 2012.

27:47 The mystery opens a door to the past to obscure history of the drug war that you won't read about in the New York Times. One murder scene that Blanco's fingerprints are all over, most observers agree, is the Dade Land Mall shootout in Miami in 1979, which left two people dead in the wake of a barrage of bullets in front of the liquor store. The assassins in the hit job worked for Blanco.

28:17 And one of the men left dead was the father of a brutal Colombian killer and drug dealer named Papo Mejia. According to Mike Levin, who worked on some of the biggest undercover DEA investigations in the 70s and 80s, both in the U.S. and South America. One of those cases, dubbed Operation Hun, H-U-N, targeted major Bolivian and Colombian narcotraffickers, including Mejia.

28:48 But Levin insists due to the CIA intervention and complicity in the drug trade, most of the targets of Operation Hunn walked free. With one exception being Mejia, who had ultimately been convicted of narco-trafficking related crimes and sentenced to a couple of decades in U.S. prison. He was released early, however, and deported back to Colombia. But prior to his arrest in the 80s,

29:18 Mejia himself was the target of a Blanco-ordered assassination attempt. They were bitter rivals in the Miami cocaine street wars. Blanco hired a hitman, Miguel Perez. He stabbed Mejia some 10 times with a bayonet blade in broad daylight at Miami airport shortly after Mejia had disembarked from Colombia.

29:48 from a flight from Colombia. Unfortunately, he didn't hit any vital organs, so Mejia survived. But the attack allowed DEA, who to that point had lost track of him, to arrest him on charges related to Operation Hunt. The key cooperating source in the DEA undercover operation was a deadly but beautiful Bolivian, Sonia Atala.

30:18 She was the true cocaine queen of the 1980s. She worked with Levin posing as his lover as part of Operation Hun, and for whom the operation was actually named Attila the Hun. That's DEA humor. Attila also happened to be a key CIA asset. Levin found that out too.

30:50 Of all the drug barons in Bolivia, Sonia's connection to the Colombian network and the U.S., where most of Bolivians had feared to go, were the best. Bolivian Minister of the Interior, Colonel Luis Arce Gomez, quickly recognized her value to the government and put her in charge of selling the government's cocaine, then piling up

31:22 Money in bank vaults. Levin writes this in his book, The Big White Lie. The cocaine coup had turned Sonia Atala into a chief international sales representative for the country of Bolivia, then producing a large portion of the world's cocaine. Beyond any doubt at that time, one of the biggest drug dealers in the world.

31:54 not the person we were sold, someone else. In the drug business, treachery is right up there with greed and power. And Bolivia's queen of cocaine, Atala, fell victim to those rules. She had grown too powerful in the eyes of the narcos running the country in 80 and 81, as well as the CIA. And so they double-crossed her on a coke deal she had made with the Colombian Mejia.

32:25 Then in his mid-20s, she had no place to run. Mejia was out to kill her, and Atala's Bolivian allies had turned against her. So she ran to her only friends, the DEA, with the CIA still always in the background. That resulted in Operation Hun, with Levin going undercover in an extremely dangerous assignment, working to make cases with Atala's assistant as an informant.

32:54 Targeting her Bolivian and Colombian narco network. There was a big problem with the plan, though. The CIA had no intentions of turning over their still useful narco trafficking assets in Latin America at a time when they were sponsoring dirty wars across the region. You know, in their battle against communism.

33:20 As a result, the cases Levin and others helped build in the early 1980s against the major Bolivian narcos behind the cocaine coup, including Suarez, Gosser, and Garteras, all fell apart due to inherent conflict of interest between the CIA and the DEA because the CIA didn't want them arrested.

33:50 A woman who Levin writes in The Big White Lie had a detachment of Kloss Barbie Nazi mercenaries placed at her disposal proved to be beyond reach until she wasn't. This is a quote. Under cross-examination by Defense Counsel Stephen Fenta, Batala admitted that with the full knowledge and cooperation and aid of the U.S. government, all her vast wealth and properties in Bolivia,

34:21 had been returned to her. It was also revealed that Sonia was soon to return to Bolivia in the 1980s, still the number one source of the country's cocaine, once again free to reign supreme as queen of the crown of snow. But for Levin, the story does not have a fairy tale ending. After Mejia was nearly stabbed to death in Miami, one of Blanco's assassins

34:51 by one of Blanco's assassins. He was arrested by DEA due to the case built against him and Operation Hun and ultimately sent to jail because of Levin's casework and testimony. Levin told the author that Mejia is a very vengeful and skilled killer who at one time had an army of hitmen under his command and was to be considered the prime suspect in the assassination of Blanco and Medellin.

35:21 Levin then describes this in an email. The cocaine cowboy wars in Miami was raging when he began Operation Hun that targeted Papo Mejia, among others, using Sonia Atala as bait. What we learned was that Griselda Blanco had already killed Papo's father in an infamous Miami-Dade mall in broad daylight.

35:50 We, the DEA undercover team, are then successful in indicting Mejia via an elaborate undercover sting, but he is nowhere to be found. Griselda has her own intelligence system and learns that Papo is landing in Miami from Colombia on September 15th, 1982. She pays Miguel Perez $250,000 to kill him.

36:17 Perez catches Mejia after he passes customs in broad daylight and stabs him with the bayonet. He survives, stands trial, and is sentenced to 27 years. Levin retires from the DEA and becomes an expert witness. Years go by and Mejia's lawyer, Steve Venta, in the mid-90s is trying to get Papo an early release. We have a meeting. He wants to hire me as an expert to get him out of jail.

36:47 This is an actual dialogue. Levin, you want me to help you get him out of jail when I'm on his hit list? The attorney, I talked to him. You're no longer at the top of the list. Papo is eventually released from prison in 2000 with no help from Levin. He is deported to Colombia. Griselda Blanco is released in 2004 after Papo and deported to Colombia where she's murdered.

37:21 Is Papo Mejia now working his way down his hit list? According to Levin, I'd like to make this public, at least as a measure of self-defense. At the very least, it should also alert Colombian police to their most likely suspect. The author then says he attempted to contact Mejia's former attorney, Fenta, for comment. The number for his Miami law office was disconnected, and he didn't reply to emails.

37:55 This is crazy. Chapter five, the DEA agent Enrique Kiki Camarena was abducted in early February 1985, shortly after leaving the U.S. consulate in Guadalajara, Mexico. Now, I want to say this because in that thousand page book that I read on Syntac,

38:24 and that DEA thing that happened in the early 70s. Guadalajara is like the capital where everybody goes into narco. That's doing anything narco.

38:45 High Communist League, they had that university there where they were grooming people to put into very, it's just a farm school for grooming potential leaders in Mexico, all under the CIA.

39:10 um, apparatus in Mexico. It comes up in every research project that has to do with Mexico, Guadalajara, meetings. Um, in that syntax book, they had like literally, um, like a hundred people in a no kidding, um, uh, automatic weapons fire, um,

39:36 big fight, killing people, dead people all over as part of one of their bust in Guadalajara in trying to track down these narco people with those special syntax teams. So I just wanted everybody to know Guadalajara is a big freaking deal. And the fact that Camarena was leaving Guadalajara is a critical piece.

40:05 of information to his whole story. His tortured, contorted body was found several weeks later, partially decomposed, wrapped in plastic and buried in a shallow grave 70 miles north of the city, which puts him on the coastline between Tijuana and Guadalajara. And Tijuana, of course, is another central part where that, I'm trying to remember his name off the top of my head.

40:35 That guy that was running the Tijuana sector has some weird name. He was on the payroll of the CIA, and he even said that in his trial when Syntac eventually arrested him. One of the chief architects of Camarena's kidnapping, brutal torture, and ultimate death was Rafael Caro Quintero, who was released prematurely.

41:01 on August 2013 from a Mexican prison by order of the Mexican federal court after having served 28 years of a 40-year sentence for the crime. His release caused an outcry among U.S. law enforcement. And if you look at the dates of that, 2013, I'm going to do the math here. That means...

41:30 Let's see, that would make it 30. So around the time that this syntax operation was going on. The real story behind Camerina's murder, however, lacks a single villain. Based on interviews the author conducted in October of 2013 with several individuals familiar with the case. Among them is DEA agent who was charged with investigating the killing.

42:05 And he was now retired when the author interviewed him, Hector Bareilles. The other two individuals also knew Camarena personally and were intimately familiar with the U.S. government operations that he was allegedly investigating prior to his abduction and murder. One of those men is former DEA agent Phil Jordan, who used to head the El Paso Intelligence Center. Again, a center of nefarious shit.

42:35 because of compromised databases and all that stuff that we've been over. The source, another source was Tosh Plumlee, a longtime CIA operative pilot, and he later turned whistleblower. The mainstream press stories published in 2013 by Fox News and the El Paso Times in the US raised the specter of CIA involvement in his death.

43:06 Prosecco, which is the major news source to claim the CIA ordered Camarino's murder. CIA officials, however, released a statement saying that that's just ridiculous. We don't do that.

43:24 Plumlee told the author during the course of a series of interviews that after Camarino's murder in early February 1985, that he was ordered by his CIA handlers to fly into a ranch located near Veracruz, Mexico. That ranch, Plumlee says, at the ranch was a DEA document that the author obtained that also alleges

43:54 that the CIA was involved with Carrero Quintero and also being used by the CIA, that site, that ranch. U.S. spy agency was operating there with cover from the Mexican intelligence service, then called the Federal Security Directorate or DFS. The Veracruz ranch was being used as a training ground.

44:24 for guerrillas. That sounds so familiar. And to transit drugs and weapons. That's in a DEA document, part of a larger effort to fund and supply the Contras. Huh, like a Gladio training camp? That covert effort was linked to a scandal known as Iran-Contra, which played out in the 80s. One facet of the scandal involved illegally raising funds.

45:00 via arms sales to Iran to fund Nicaraguan Contras. Part of the scandal also implicates the CIA and the national security staff in narcotic and arms trafficking. Investigative Gary Webb further bolstered the claims of the U.S. government's involvement in his book, Dark Alliance. Plumlee contends that at some point after Camarino's murder, Cara Quintero,

45:31 was transported to the CIA-linked ranch near Veracruz, where Plumlee was ordered to intercept him. Quote, I was ordered to pick up Caro Quintero at the ranch. I didn't really know who he was at the time, but it was a CIA government-sanctioned operation, unquote. Plumlee says he flew Caro Quintero in a Cessna 310 owned by the CIA cutout SECCO.

46:00 to a private airstrip located just across the Mexican border in Guatemala. Plumlee then goes on to say, I was told to take a person from point A to point B and I did it. He said, that's what I did as the CIA contract pilot. If you ask too many questions, you won't be around too long. Plumlee says another pilot, also part of CETCO, then picked up Quintero in Guatemala and flew him to Costa Rica, which makes sense with all of the other stuff that we've

46:34 because we know they have ranches, at least one by haul, in Costa Rica. In fact, Caro Quintero was captured in Costa Rica in April of 1985, three months after Camarino's murder. After dropping Quintero off in Guatemala,

46:58 Plumlee says that he assumes the narco-trafficker was flown into John Hall's ranch in Costa Rica. John Hall's ranch was protected by the CIA and used extensively by the CIA. Hall took advantage of this protection and allowed planes loaded with cocaine to land there, charging $10,000 per landing. That came out in a DOJ's IG report.

47:27 CETCO, too, was part of the covert contra-supply effort, according to a CIA IG report. Quote, according to U.S. law enforcement records cited in the Kerry report released by the U.S. Senate subcommittee chaired by then-Senator John Kerry, CETCO was established by Juan Mata Balotaros, a Class 1 DEA violator. The Kerry report also states that those records indicate that Mata

47:56 was a major figure in the Colombian cartel and was involved in the murder of DEA agent Enrique Catamarina. Mata was extradited to the U.S. in 1988 and convicted of drug trafficking. Plumlee also had a connection to slain DEA agent Camarino. He told me that he met with Camarino in late 1984 in a cafe in Phoenix.

48:25 Camerino had come to Phoenix to interview Plumlee as part of his investigation into covert Contra supply operations in Mexico. Following Plumlee's recollection of what was discussed at the meeting, and this is a quote, I had flown into the ranch near Velocruz, Mexico, many times with weapons for the Contras, as well as into Costa Rica, as outlined in a 1991 letter sent by Gary Hart.

48:53 Senator Gary Hart to Senator John Kerry. The cafe was a small place, but was noted for its food dishes from the South, according to Oaxaca, Mexico. The Phoenix organized crime boys, Plumlee says at the time he was embedded in a tri-state law enforcement task force, used to eat there a lot with a few local DEA officers. They would choose that place.

49:21 This information, discussed with Camerino at the cafe, launched a series of field reports back to the DEA via Camerino and the CEA because he reported to both. Plumlee did. And Washington for follow-up information to confirm the rumor that weapons were going south for the Contras in order to override the Bolin Amendment, which severely restricted U.S. aid to the Contras.

49:52 and drugs coming back to finance the operation. Kiki had reported this to his people in Guadalajara, asking why they were not moving on this ranch near Villa Cruz that was loaded with weapons. Kiki did not trust the CIA. And I told him, this is Plumlee talking, we're on the same team, or I might have said we're on the same team. And I think his reply was something like, we'll see about that.

50:21 Some weeks later, he and his pilot were kidnapped. Plumlee, during the period, was already talking to then Senator Gary Hart's office about the drug and weapons shipment. He was being ordered to carry out as part of a U.S. government-sanctioned operation. In fact, he provided testimony to the U.S. Senate several times behind closed doors in the 80s and 90s. Now you know why they're closed. He revealed what he knew about those operations.

50:50 The following is a summary of the testimony Plumlee provided to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in August 1990. Quote, documentations provided by Mr. Plumlee and other testimony from pilots and operatives indicate Plumlee flew many black operations, including flying arms to Central America in the early 80s and drugs back to the United States.

51:20 interest, unquote. That's on record in the Senate. Plumlee's testimony also included a reference to a 1990 DEA report marked secret. It discusses information the late Mexican journalist Manuel Bodina had uncovered that exposed the CIA's alleged relationship with narco traffickers in the Veracruz area.

51:47 as well as information that would expose high-ranking members of the Mexican political party, PRI, because they were assisting the CIA in the arms and drug trafficking. Bodino was murdered in 1984 after leaving his office in Mexico City for exposing this. He was shot four times by an assailant who fled on a motorcycle with another individual.

52:18 Five years after his death, several members of the now defunct Federal Security Directorate, Mexico's top police force and intelligence agency, DFS, were arrested for the murder of the journalist. Newsweek reported in a 2021 story revisiting the journalist's life and career.

52:43 who was a member of Gary Hart's U.S. Senate staff from 75 to 86, in an interview the author conducted with him, confirmed that he met with Plumlee on several occasions in the 80s to discuss documents concerning government-sanctioned drug and arms smuggling. In 1991, letter from Senator Hart to Senator Kerry confirms that fact. I'm telling you that Senator Hart was set up by the CIA.

53:13 Just put a bookmark on that. I conveyed what he, Plumlee, said to the Senate Subcommittee on Narcoterrorism and International Operations, then headed by Senator Kerry. According to Holan, they did validate that Tosh was saying was true. Kerry's staff did speak to me on several occasions, and they did bring Tosh in to testify. I have no reason not to believe Tosh Plumlee.

53:45 Former DEA commander Jordan spent some time with Camarino in Guadalajara, Mexico in the spring of 84. At that time, Jordan says he realized the Mexican DFS agents were tailing Camarino. Jordan says Camarino told him that that was true and that the DFS did the bidding of the narco traffickers that were basically under the control of the CIA. In the wake of Camarino's murder,

54:16 Jordan says DEA agents managed to catch up with Quintero at the airport in Guadalajara, but were prevented from apprehending him because Quintero was protected by DFS agents that were also connected to the CIA. Jordan, who says he has two trusted sources of information on the so-called Mexican standoff at Guadalajara airport.

54:43 adds that the plane Quintero flew out on that day was owned by narco-trafficker Mata Balataras, the founder of CETCO, which is a CIA proprietary. Jordan also contends that Quintero was carrying DFS credentials and that the aircraft pilot was a CIA pilot.

55:16 But Borrellas, who spent some five years of his life investigating Camarino's murder while working for the DEA, contends that the DFS agents did play a major role in his abduction and interrogation. Besides the individuals in the car used to nab Camarino off the street, Valera says that there were armed men positioned at all intersections around the kidnapping scene.

55:45 Present at the house in Guadalajara, where Camerino was held after his kidnapping, Varela said were narco-traffickers like Quintero, his partner, Ernesto Ferseco Carrillo, and members of their organization. At the house were DFS agents, as well as CIA operatives, along with plenty of tape recording equipment.

56:13 Valera says that he has sources who were at the house when Camerino was being tortured and later became government witnesses that have confirmed those facts. The goal of abducting Camerino, Valera believes, was not to kill him, but rather to conduct a police-style interrogation to find out where he was getting all of his information about the CIA in Mexico.

56:41 Valeras, as well as Jordan and Plumlee, say they believe it was likely Camerino was abducted on the orders of powerful individuals who were calling the shots in the CIA-supported Contra supply operation, individuals who ultimately reported to the White House. Those individuals wanted to find and control the source providing information to Camerino in order to protect their covert operation.

57:09 Valeras also claims Camerino played a key role in helping DEA successfully ramp up interdictions of the proceeds of drugs, therefore threatening the funding source for the CIA, which was another incentive for ferreting out his sources of information. Varela says the stakes were high, the mix of characters involved volatile, and things got out of hand.

57:37 Camerino had been tortured to the extent that he needed to be hospitalized, and that risk could not be taken by his abductors, so the decision was made to kill him. Ultimately, it was a quote-unquote botched operation that spawned a cover-up by the U.S. government players involved. That still plays out to today. Drug war journalist Jose Alvarez

58:03 Reporting for The Guardian in July of 2025 revealed that the U.S. Justice Department planned to turn over audio recordings of the 1985 torture and killing of Camerino to Caro Quintero's defense team as part of discovery in his then pending U.S. trial. Quintero, in February of 2025, during the early days of the second Trump administration, was extradited to the U.S. from Mexico.

58:30 He had been locked up in a Mexican maximum security prison since his arrest in 2022. After being released from the Mexican prison nearly 10 years earlier, The Guardian reported, quote, longtime drug war reporter Bill Conroy pointed out, and Bill Conroy is the author of our book, that Valeres once told him, we got tapes of Camarino's torture from CIA. Tapes?

59:03 of an American being tortured that the CIA had. How did they get those tapes? And my source indicated there were five tapes, but we, the DEA, only got three from the CIA. In 2013, explosive reporting from Mexican news magazine Prosecco, based on testimony of three U.S. agents, including Varela's,

59:32 And some of the former Mexican officers alleged that a CIA officer was involved in the Camarino killing. The reports claim that Camarino was beginning to discover the CIA was collaborating with the Guadalajara cartel using them to train Contras. Some allegations were repeated in a Amazon Prime documentary series called The Last Narc.

1:00:03 which featured Barillas, other U.S. officials, and three former Mexican federal cops, along with cartel members. The CIA and the former officer in question, Felix Rodriguez, has denied their involvement in the Camarino murder. Felix Rodriguez. Can I say that one more time? Felix Rodriguez.

1:00:37 Rodriguez. Barreras and Jordan, in interviews that the author conducted with them in 2013, also pointed the finger at Felix Rodriguez, a longtime CIA operative. But both Barreras and Jordan said they suspect that proof was likely on the missing CIA tapes. Rodriguez was involved in the capture, obviously, and killing of Shea Cavera.

1:01:09 Rodriguez was also part of the Iran-Contra and had a vested interest in making sure that anything that Camerino had discovered never saw the light of day because Felix Rodriguez was working for George H.W. Bush.

1:01:31 The New York Times reported in 1992, quote, Felix Rodriguez, a retired CIA officer who spent most of his career on the shadowy side of espionage business, appeared today in federal court to testify in the trial of the agency's former chief of covert operations. Mr. Rodriguez, under the alias of Max Gomez, helped the Reagan administration make clandestine shipments of arms by way of El Salvador to the Contras or rebels.

1:02:00 who fought the Sandinista government in Nicaragua in the mid-1980s. When asked what he did for Colonel North's operation, Mr. Rodriguez said, I coordinated for them at the Ilopango Air Base outside of San Salvador by arranging for refueling and servicing of aircraft and feeding and housing pilots, unquote. Ilopango is the same air base where former DEA agent Saleh Castillo in the mid-80s said he discovered.

1:02:30 that the DEA, CIA was doing arms and drug trafficking through El Salvador. And he's the guy that got put in a closet until he retired. Neither Bareilles nor Jordan or Plumlee were at the house in Guadalajara in February of 85 when Camerino was terrorized and murdered. So any information they have about the events is from other sources.

1:03:01 In addition, not everyone accepts the versions. That puts Felix Rodriguez at the house the night Camerino was killed, including the CIA and Rodriguez. So, but of course the CIA and Rodriguez is gonna lie because they lied about everything. If the CIA did provide the audio tapes of the torture and murder of Camerino, that doesn't mean they made the recordings. If the tapes were recorded by someone else at the house via the recording devices,

1:03:33 played clandestinely at the house or worn on a person, the CIA certainly had the means and connections of the Mexican intelligence to get those recordings. What happened with the two missing tapes? As Barillas claims, it does raise questions about what happened to them. But that may be for other reasons than Rodriguez being present, including the possibility that the disappeared.

1:04:06 Recordings contain information that implicates the CIA. The revelations made by Plumlee, a known CIA asset and later whistleblower, along with the information dug up by Barillas and Jordan via their DEA sources and investigation, if accurate, do point to one incredible conclusion. The CIA, at a minimum, had a role in aiding and abetting the escape of Camarito's murderer.

1:04:37 Quintero. One loose end in Plumlee's story seems to be that he insists he flew Quintero to Guatemala from a ranch in Veracruz, Mexico. Jordan and Bareilles contend that Quintero boarded a plane in Guadalajara in the wake of Camarino's murder. On the surface, that appears to be a conflict. Of course, there's a twist and quite remarkable, a remarkable one.

1:05:05 Given the international manhunt underway for Quintero at the time, Borrellas told me that Quintero did not leave Mexico after he flew out of the Guadalajara airport with the assistance of the DFS agents. Instead, Borrellas says Quintero flew to a city in the Mexican state of Sonora to visit family. Quote, he, Quintero, went there to meet with his brother, Miguel, and his cousins.

1:05:36 Two major documented heroin traffickers. One of the largest heroin seizures on the border was traced to one of his cousins. The Quintero Paya family is well known in that area. The flight to Costa Rica happened a week later. According to Plumlee, it was after Quintero left that area that he flew to the ranch near Veracruz. And from there, Plumlee flew him.

1:06:06 out of Mexico. Barillas also made another revelation that he considers a key piece of the puzzle in Camarino's murder. As part of the investigation into the DEA's death, Barillas says his team tracked down everyone that showed up on his call log. One of those phone numbers, Barillas says, belonged to a Mexican journalist, Brudia, who means Camarino was in contact with the journalist prior to his assassination.

1:06:36 Brudia could identify the CIA guys behind the covert contra drug for guns operation by name. What information did he provide to Camerino? Berzello asked. I believe Kiki talked to Berita before he was murdered. And I believe Kiki interviewed Plumlee after that and discussed what he had learned.

1:07:02 from the journalist. And then Plumlee reported that to his CIA handlers. And ultimately, that led to Kiki getting picked up for questioning, and they went overboard and killed him. Bareilles can only deal in speculation on that front, but it is an opinion of both Jordan and Plumlee that they all agree. In fact, Senator Hart, former staff member Holan, says the same. Holan says that the nature of the information Plumlee reported to the CIA

1:07:32 IA handlers, after meeting with Camerino, does raise concerns as to who is to blame for the abduction, torture, and death of Camerino. I think the tentacles of the Contra operation run deep and are embedded in what happened to Kiki Camerino. No one person knows the entire story. So, and what's interesting about that is I looked into

1:08:05 the Gary Hart when he was running for president. In 1988, he was leading in the presidential race against George H.W. Bush until that sex scandal came out. I'm just going to leave that there. So Gary Hart had all of the dirt on George H.W. Bush.

1:08:45 So that's where we're going to stop for today. Bush is just about one of the most corrupt POS there is, isn't it? It sure appears that way. That's why I think it's funny when people say they want to know what was in those envelopes at the Bush funeral. There's so much shit to pick from. Could it be a picture of Camerina? There's literally so much shit.

1:09:21 Absolutely. I mean, you're right. It actually, I went back and rewatched the video after you had said you thought it was a photo instead of a note. And I think you're right. The more I look at it, the more that quick instant recognition. It could not have been a note. I agree. After going back and rewatching it, I do agree. Yeah. And, you know, it's not like everybody that got those.

1:09:50 cards would not have known who Kiki Camerino was. SR, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel, and thank everyone for attending here on Rumble In On Spaces. I'm sitting here thinking about what's going on, and we started this whole thing out with an interview, all right, that started with Morley Safer and oddly turned into Mike Wallace, which I'm not a fan of Mike Wallace to begin with.

1:10:23 But I found that kind of funny how that went. Yeah. The other thing, the other things that got me is I'm sitting here listening to everything that we just heard. And yet no one, no one believes the CIA is involved in drug smuggling.

1:10:49 Well, you'd have to be worried. It doesn't matter how you look at it. You got the DEA hollering and screaming, look what's going on. And they say, nah, we're not doing that. Somebody else is doing that. See, we caught this guy. We caught that guy. But that's the only guy you get. You're not going to get us. You're only going to get that guy. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Renee, go ahead.

1:11:20 Yeah. And to add to that, I mean, what kind of a joke front is the DEA? It's like sending a little child into the bathroom to, you know, do their business. And after 10 minutes, you hear water drawers opening, all this stuff going on, but it has nothing to do with doing business. You know, it's the same BS. Unfortunately, you know.

1:11:46 Over time, we've seen that there are a few honest DEA agents and they all end up on the short end of the stick, which tells you the DEA is as corrupt as the CIA to a large extent. That doesn't mean that every DEA agent was corrupt.

1:12:07 Camerino is obviously one that was not. The other guy that ended up in a closet, he was not. But that is a clear message to everybody in the DEA. This is what's going to happen to you if you don't play along and ignore the fact that you're out here trying to, quote unquote, control the drug trafficking. If you actually come across the CIA in your investigations,

1:12:36 What will happen to you? It is a very clear message. What will happen to you in that scenario? And I do want to give a shout out to someone over here on Rumble. I live for Oktoberfest. It's his first time listening from the gym. I think this information is helping me pump more iron. Well, from an old gym rat body,

1:13:07 I'm glad that our content is helping you pump more iron. Good on you for being in the gym. Sean, go ahead. Hi, Colonel. Have you come across this concept of War 2.0? Of what? War 2.0. It's this thing I came across recently. It's basically, it probably originated in some think tank, right? It's just this.

1:13:34 The idea about how technology is going to affect war in the future, ongoing. And if you look at the war in Ukraine and you look at the use of drones there, it's all dominated by drones, which is a new technology. That's a new thing, you know, on the battlefield there. But if you look at a company like Boston Dynamics who are producing these robots, right, these four-legged robots and two-legged robots, and they're getting really, really good at it. And I was just wondering if that in the future.

1:14:03 A war will just be about one side's robots fighting against another side's robots, and the human involvement in it will be minimal. Who knows? No idea. Tuff, go ahead. Well, this was really fascinating. I've tried to post a few things in there just for people to get a visual on the people that you mentioned. I just put in, what was the guy, Gary Hart? Yeah.

1:14:35 Gary Hart's the senator. Yeah, and pictures of the fling, the girl that he had a fling with. And then the headline was, How Gary Hart's Scandal Changed the Face of American Politics. Yeah. And then also my other question for you was, are you aware of Freeway Ricky? Yes, we've done a whole book on him. We did Gary Webb's book, Dark Alliance, and it goes into that entire history.

1:15:03 Oh, okay. I just wrote him and shared the space with him and just told him about you. So he already knows. I met him at a libertarian meeting here in Portland, Oregon, and he had a table promoting his book, and I chatted with him not knowing anything about him. Very humble guy. But once I caught on that he –

1:15:27 was a drug dealer dealer in los angeles he said that uh he was he was doing so much business he had a little drive-through set up then the cia you know the cia correct me if i'm wrong but set him up with drugs and then put him in jail um his son is on here um but ricky told me that the thing that saved him from being totally corrupt were

1:15:50 Nice people that taught him how to play tennis. Yes. I thought that was really interesting. Yes. So he had mentors early on when he was trying to go to school that basically adopted him and taught him how to play tennis. And that he wasn't good enough to get a scholarship as I remember it, but they kind of helped him along.

1:16:17 He has a very interesting story. The CIA was not supplying him directly. They were using the guys that we just talked about, Blanton and Menendez. Blanton was the L.A. guy. Menendez was the San Francisco guy.

1:16:34 Colombian-Bolivian cocaine was coming into the United States, both through Texas and Miami, and they were shuttling it out to Los Angeles, to Blanton in Los Angeles. Blanton eventually becomes Ricky's direct. There was some cutouts in between, but he eventually is dealing directly with Blanton. Blanton and Menendez are Samosan, very wealthy,

1:17:04 elites from Nicaragua. And when the Sandinistas overthrew the CIA-backed Samosan government, they do this all the time. They export all of the corrupt oligarchs and people that have been on their payroll.

1:17:22 into the United States. Somoza lived in Texas. He is an evil dictator that killed tens of thousands of Nicaraguans backed by the CIA. And they make sure that he gets entrance into the United States and can live a life of Riley after he was deposed for the corrupt asshole that he was. And so he used his network in the United States, Somoza did, in conjunction with the CIA to funnel

1:17:51 the cocaine out there. And then Ricky was the one that was, he originally was just selling the cocaine, but he figured out how to make the crack cocaine. It went farther. He could make more money and he just set himself up in business.

1:18:07 And he was an easy fall guy at the end of the day in order for them to get, you know, another, as Bridget was saying, I think a notch on their belt or SR that they've arrested somebody. They didn't arrest the people that were actually bringing the drugs in because they all work in the CIA.

1:18:29 the network down channel, none of that could have happened. And so in Gary Webb's book, he talks about

1:18:37 How he was basically pulled into this whole thing because they had one of the distributors in San Francisco that had been held for years without charges in jail in San Francisco. And his girlfriend had contacted Gary Webb. And it was through his research of the court cases of these networks that Menendez and Blanton was using that he was able to track down this entire operation.

1:19:07 basically kept coming up against not only the, because it's a federal thing, the local DOJ officials were sealing the court cases in order for no one to be able to see what was going on. And it was only through.

1:19:26 happenstance that some of the material didn't get included in some of the sealed documents that Gary Webb was able to piece together the entire operation. Renee, go ahead. Yeah, this is a question. After watching the show with Alpha Lawyer last night, well done on that. And this whole journey of the drug networks and the OAS and stuff, it seems that

1:19:57 There's, well, I guess my first question is, I'm a little confused. Maybe you can help clarify because the French, before we were in Vietnam, the French were in Vietnam, right? Correct. For the Indochina War. They were hustling the opium when they were there, correct? Okay. So a lot of these OAS guys, it seems, have done, you know, I guess it's part of that whole, the whole.

1:20:27 NATO thing of doing the CIA hustle and they rebrand themselves. But it seems a lot of these OAS guys who were in the Indochina war, then the Algeria thing, and then the terror stay behind units in France with De Gaulle and whatever, a lot of them ended up going to South America too, right? Some of them did. Yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Because it's...

1:20:55 Because at the end of the day, they're all Nazis. Right. Swing a dead cat, hit a Nazi. Yeah. SR, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. Something just struck me. And that is during that period of time, during the 80s and 90s, we had all of this information going around and all of these drug people being identified and some of them even being put in jail.

1:21:27 getting, shall we say, deep-sixed and a whole nine yards, after the 90s and into the 2000s and up till now, we're seeing, and it just struck me that now these are CIA assets that are protected. And since they're protected and you make them a source, anytime somebody goes to do an investigation on them,

1:21:57 Can't talk to that person. Can't get to them. Can't do any of that. Right. I think they added this to the playbook after they lost all of that in the 80s and 90s. No, no, they were doing it in the 80s and 90s. In Dark Alliance, that's one of the things that Gary Webb said is that.

1:22:19 Every time that he was coming up to finding some of these people that like Blanton and Menendez, they were coded in the system as informants.

1:22:34 This is something that they have done the entire time. That's how they protect their network in the United States. So what they would do is they would like arrest them on a traffic charge or some stupid little thing. And then they're in the system. They code them as an informant. And then when any court case is brought against them, it's the protection.

1:23:00 That is provided to them so that no one can question them because they're a government informant. They have done this through the entire operation. That's not a new thing. So would you say this is more of a consolidation deal at this point? Letting those other people get caught? So if you look at the hierarchy, nobody at the top gets caught until now.

1:23:31 There has been some major kingpins during Trump 2.0 that have been caught and arrested and extradited to the United States. That's not happened in the past, not the kingpins. So that's what I'm saying. During this operation, it's like a pincher move. When they take out the drug boats, it lights up the system going up.

1:23:58 When they take out the heads, it lights up the system coming down. And they are scrunching. They're putting the pressure at the top and the bottom of these networks. And that's possible now because our border is closed for the most part. And that's allowed them to do this pincher movement of the entire network as it's coming into the United States.

1:24:27 So I think for the first time ever in our lifetime, there's an honest-to-God attempt to take out this entire network. Warhamster, you're being awful quiet. Howdy. Hi. Well, I'm in the middle of my workout, too, so that's why I'm being quiet. Okay. It's funny hearing that it's actually still libertarians in Portland. I don't know if people here know I lived outside of Portland until I was about 17 years old.

1:25:02 So it was cool to hear that. You know, the name popped up to me that, you know, we talked about the hearings and investigation, of course, was John Kerry, right? There was like a Kerry report you were referring to earlier. Yeah. Just wanted to give a reminder that, you know, when we talked about BCCI and Skull and Bones, we talked quite a bit about John Kerry. Yes. He went to high school just down the road from me here in New Hampshire. And just a little friendly reminder that he was...

1:25:30 high school lacrosse teammates with none other than Bob Mueller. Yeah. So when you wonder, when the colonel says we're just now starting to take these people out, that's because you had guys like Bob Mueller and John Kerry running cover and George H.W. Bush and all the previously named Bonesmen, et cetera, running cover for this whole damn operation as a reason. You're not going to take out these kingpins when they're in business with the people supposed to be taking them out. Correct. Correct.

1:26:00 That was my takeaway. Yeah. And to your point, the information that the Senate has that they take behind closed doors, which in a republic is repugnant, there should be nothing behind closed doors. If our senators are going to interrogate someone for accused or alleged wrongdoing, that needs to be in a public forum because that is how all of this information.

1:26:30 gets hidden from the American people. So they have the little notch in their belt saying they had a commission or they looked into this, and then they hide all of the important information behind closed doors. That's absolute bullshit, especially when you're dealing with something that implicates the government itself. And we're seeing the exact opposite play out right now with some of this declassification.

1:27:01 Stuff that was, you know, everything from the J6 committee on down. They destroyed documents, but we're still getting, to me, we've already got about 10 smoking guns. So I'm sitting around waiting for prosecutions, hoping the grand juries play out. But that's what they did. You know, they hide behind classification. They hide behind, you know, Senate committees, et cetera. And there's no transparency whatsoever. So hopefully we get it now. Yeah.

1:27:30 All along, go ahead, and then we'll go to Tuff. Let me just talk about the timing of the Kerry report. If I'm not mistaken, it was kind of like two, three years after the main rain counter media hubbub, as it were, and kind of like it did not get the same media scrutiny. Do you recall when the Kerry report came out?

1:28:00 And also, I just want to point out, you know, kind of corroborating what one of them is saying here, you know, Carrie is obviously, you know, it's an eminence to reach or whatever of the, you know, highly connected time off. Because, I mean, you can clearly see that in the 2004 DNC campaign where it's just so clear that power, you know, fits the air bubble to allow the, you know, elites to, for a lifetime, let the anti-arrest burn off into nothingness.

1:28:31 and then terry is going to somehow lose to w both at the height of their direct work on popularity which is really in that direct effect of bipartisanship yeah um tough go ahead uh yeah so the uh

1:28:57 Quickly about the libertarian meeting, I just went there to learn what libertarians are, and I was surprised that everything they were talking about was marijuana legalizing pot. It just didn't seem to be very productive for freedom. And I think I danced with Justin Trudeau, because looking back, there was this good-looking guy from Canada running for office, and I thought, he's so young, I don't get how he can do it.

1:29:24 And then we all went to the bar afterwards, the stupid bar. And he was sitting there looking really uptight. And I walked up to him and put my hand out like, come on, let's dance. And I made him get on the dance floor. And he was so uptight. And I thought, oh, man, this guy's really stiff. I wonder what his problem is. Looking back, I'm like, I'm trying to Google it. Like, was that him? I mean, it sure looked like him. Do you think it would be possible that he would have traveled to Washington to the United States during his campaign?

1:29:54 I don't know. No idea. That's so weird, right? Anyway, I wanted to ask you if the CIA is German-based, and it makes me reflect back on what I've learned about the strangeness of the German cults and the religion, the spiritual practices they did, or whatever it's called.

1:30:18 They were into Hermeticism. They were into underworld gods and the Egyptian god of Thoth, Thoth, T-H-O-T-H, which is so interesting because a lot of the strange religions today are reverting back to that.

1:30:33 And I'm just kind of wondering what you might think about that. Just they're strange. What would make them be so evil? What's their motivation within their heart of hearts? What are they thinking they're going to accomplish through this evil? And let me add this, kind of answering the question a little bit. Skull and Bones, I watched about them and their startup at the university. What university? Was it Harvard? Yale.

1:30:57 Yeah. And they did these rituals and stuff. But one of the key things, you know, the black and white checkered floor, it represents good and evil. So they're trying to walk the tightrope like, you know, if they do enough good, then they can get away with doing the evil. So the CIA, the CIA is not based in Germany. The CIA is a perpetuation of the age old.

1:31:21 paramilitary intelligence that was incorporated in empire building for the last several hundred years. After World War II, the offloading of that capability onto the taxpayers to orchestrate all of the sister intelligence agencies around the world to work

1:31:48 off of the backs of the taxpayers to provide this intelligence paramilitary capability to their prospective oligarchs. And Germany had their own Galen organization, which of course was the perpetuation of the Nazis because Reinhard Galen was a Nazi general. And so basically it's just orchestrating the same infrastructure.

1:32:15 I have argued this entire series that the CIA does not work for the U.S. government. They work for the oligarchs. Obviously, it started in the OSS where they hired the bankers and lawyers of those oligarchs to collect intelligence during the war. And you are struck when you read about World War II in how the bomb

1:32:43 damage was done to competitors, to the people that the US and the UK oligarchs were all in business with, like the IG Farben's building was not damaged at all. And the funders of the interwar years

1:33:07 and all of the financial arrangements that they had, and patent sharing and all that other stuff, the ones that were protected during the war, you know, and the OSS was largely relied on for the intelligence that was funneled into the military to create their, what they call...

1:33:31 ops orders of where to go and do the bombing and all of that other stuff is based on intelligence. And so that's what you find as you go forward, the formalization of the OSS as it had been composed transitioning into the CIA. There's just been a perpetuation of that. And what our research has discovered is that

1:33:57 wherever the oligarchs want access to resources that has with a democratically elected

1:34:08 presidency or prime ministership or whatever in a country that wants free trade and access to all markets as opposed to just western focused they're overthrown they're targeted for elimination you are not allowed to be neutral you're not allowed to free trade with whoever best gets the best deal for the resources you have in your country you are allowed to sell your resources

1:34:35 at whatever is dictated by this international syndicate. And if you refuse to play their game, they will simply activate these intelligence agencies to produce the necessary intelligence to incriminate you. And in the case of Indonesia, we found out that they had orchestrated Hollywood literal...

1:34:56 movies made in Hollywood to implicate the president of Indonesia in porn movies to try to destabilize Indonesia. They will literally use any tactic. As far as it tracing back to the esoterical, satanic type thing, we don't tend to get into that because

1:35:21 What you find is the majority of these people are atheists. And whatever they do into that realm isn't primary. They are soulless. They do not believe in a higher power than themselves. And if they're satanic, okay. But whatever the source of their...

1:35:49 believe. They are professed atheists. And they said in the late 1800s, and that's why Warhamster and I are on our Friday show, are delving into the Fabians. Their goal has always been, since stated in the late 1800s, and of course it goes back even further than that, is a worldwide version of socialism that

1:36:15 They control the government. If you go back to pre-war Italy, that's what they want to set up for everything. Having a totalitarian government that still recognizes the oligarchs in there because Mussolini did not get rid of the oligarchs in Italy. The oligarchs controlled Mussolini. Mussolini controls the people.

1:36:40 So you're not allowed to have unions. You're not allowed to have any type of organization that would threaten the state. And that type of socialism is what their end goal is for the entire world. The oligarchs all get to live as they live. And the state apparatus will quell the people. So you will have no rights.

1:37:08 Everything that you have will be given to you by the government. And that's what they want for the entire world. The Fabians are notorious for saying that they promote one world government. And their goal from the late 1800s forward was to basically recolonize the United States as part of the greater British Empire. And it is...

1:37:31 That's going to be their goal is to then spread that around the world. So we don't tend to get into the religious part of that. You can spend your entire career delving into that because it does.

1:37:55 interact at various different levels, but more on a psychological control mechanism as opposed to an actual belief system. It's just another way to co-opt people into cult-like behavior for control mechanisms. And that isn't the only avenue that they use, but the religious aspect is part of the control mechanism.

1:38:23 You find that throughout this entire story where they have infiltrated church after church after church. I'm reading a book now that's talking about them co-opting a particular religious affiliation in the United States that's on the Protestant side of that. But they have used the Catholic Church extensively through all of these operations. So nothing is, they've used the Islamic.

1:38:52 religion, through funding the Mujahideen that turns into Al-Qaeda and ISIS, the UK setting up the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt so they could control and manipulate Egypt for access to the Suez Canal. This is part of their agenda. There's nothing off limits to them. They want to control everything. SR, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel, and I appreciate that explanation.

1:39:21 To me, the religious part out of all of this that everybody focuses on and everything else is a misdirection within secret societies. It's a look here, not here. So that's what I get out of it. Because they're of all religions. There are no religions. There's this, that, and the other. Thank you, Colonel. Yeah. Okay. Lively discussion.

1:39:52 All right, so if we're done, I don't see any other hands. We're gonna go ahead and sign off for the evening. And tomorrow is Friday. So we will have the show at noon with Warhamster. We will have our four o'clock show. And we will, like I said, we're making haste with this book, but there's just a...

1:40:19 a lot of very interesting information in it that I wanted to bring to you guys. So we're already up to chapter six. So the book's going to fly by. All right. Thanks everybody for being here. You guys take care. I'll see you tomorrow.

Entities here

CIA40 Enrique Kiki Camarena25 Assassination of Enrique Camarena25 Mexico25 Bolivia22 Tosh Plumlee19 Hector Barajas18 Rafael Quintero15 Griselda Blanco14 Papo Mejia14 United States14 Miami12 Mike Levin12 Phil Jordan11 Colombia11 Guadalajara11 Gary Hart8 Gary Webb8 Federal Security Directorate8 Veracruz7 John Kerry7 Contras7 La Guerra Falsa6 Operation 406 Felix Rodriguez6 Blanton Winfield5 Carlos Lehder5 Sonia Atala5 Evo Morales5 Floyd "Freeway" Rick Ross5 Costa Rica5 Nicaragua5 Robert Bonner5 Guatemala4 Kiki Camerini4 Dark Alliance4 Roberto Suarez4 Setco4 Mike Wallace4 Lidia Gueiler Tejada3

Claims made here

Jeb Bush laundered_money_for Venezuelan National Guard book_quoted ▶ 3:43

“And that's the cartel De La Sole. And they were on the payroll of the CIA trafficking drugs. And that's where we found before the 1990s, Jeb Bush's first job was as a banker in Venezuela as their mone…”

Griselda Blanco attempted_assassination_of Papo Mejia book_quoted ▶ 29:18

“Mejia himself was the target of a Blanco-ordered assassination attempt. They were bitter rivals in the Miami cocaine street wars. Blanco hired a hitman, Miguel Perez. He stabbed Mejia some 10 times wi…”

Griselda Blanco assassinated Papo Mejia book_quoted ▶ 35:21

“Levin then describes this in an email. The cocaine cowboy wars in Miami was raging when he began Operation Hun that targeted Papo Mejia, among others, using Sonia Atala as bait. What we learned was th…”

Griselda Blanco ordered_assassination_of Papo Mejia book_quoted ▶ 35:50

“We, the DEA undercover team, are then successful in indicting Mejia via an elaborate undercover sting, but he is nowhere to be found. Griselda has her own intelligence system and learns that Papo is l…”

Miguel Perez attempted_assassination_of Papo Mejia book_quoted ▶ 36:17

“Perez catches Mejia after he passes customs in broad daylight and stabs him with the bayonet. He survives, stands trial, and is sentenced to 27 years. Levin retires from the DEA and becomes an expert …”

Rafael Quintero assassinated Enrique Kiki Camarena documented ▶ 40:35

“That guy that was running the Tijuana sector has some weird name. He was on the payroll of the CIA, and he even said that in his trial when Syntac eventually arrested him. One of the chief architects …”

CIA funded Contras documented ▶ 44:24

“for guerrillas. That sounds so familiar. And to transit drugs and weapons. That's in a DEA document, part of a larger effort to fund and supply the Contras. Huh, like a Gladio training camp? That cove…”

Tosh Plumlee carried_out_attack Rafael Quintero guest_asserted ▶ 45:31

“was transported to the CIA-linked ranch near Veracruz, where Plumlee was ordered to intercept him. Quote, I was ordered to pick up Caro Quintero at the ranch. I didn't really know who he was at the ti…”

CIA covered_up John Hall documented ▶ 46:58

“Plumlee says that he assumes the narco-trafficker was flown into John Hall's ranch in Costa Rica. John Hall's ranch was protected by the CIA and used extensively by the CIA. Hall took advantage of thi…”

John Hall trafficked Contras documented ▶ 46:58

Juan Mata Balarta founded Setco documented ▶ 47:27

“CETCO, too, was part of the covert contra-supply effort, according to a CIA IG report. Quote, according to U.S. law enforcement records cited in the Kerry report released by the U.S. Senate subcommitt…”

Juan Mata Balarta member_of Guadalajara Cartel documented ▶ 47:56

“was a major figure in the Colombian cartel and was involved in the murder of DEA agent Enrique Catamarina. Mata was extradited to the U.S. in 1988 and convicted of drug trafficking. Plumlee also had a…”

Juan Mata Balarta involved_in Assassination of Enrique Camarena documented ▶ 47:56

Tosh Plumlee supplied_arms_to Contras guest_asserted ▶ 48:25

“Camerino had come to Phoenix to interview Plumlee as part of his investigation into covert Contra supply operations in Mexico. Following Plumlee's recollection of what was discussed at the meeting, an…”

Enrique Kiki Camarena spied_on CIA guest_asserted ▶ 48:25

Enrique Kiki Camarena spied_on Federal Security Directorate guest_asserted ▶ 49:52

“and drugs coming back to finance the operation. Kiki had reported this to his people in Guadalajara, asking why they were not moving on this ranch near Villa Cruz that was loaded with weapons. Kiki di…”

CIA trafficked Contras guest_asserted ▶ 50:50

“The following is a summary of the testimony Plumlee provided to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in August 1990. Quote, documentations provided by Mr. Plumlee and other testimony from pilots and…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Contras guest_asserted ▶ 50:50

CIA covered_up Murder of Manuel Buendia book_quoted ▶ 51:20

“interest, unquote. That's on record in the Senate. Plumlee's testimony also included a reference to a 1990 DEA report marked secret. It discusses information the late Mexican journalist Manuel Bodina …”

Federal Security Directorate assassinated Manuel Buendia documented ▶ 52:18

“Five years after his death, several members of the now defunct Federal Security Directorate, Mexico's top police force and intelligence agency, DFS, were arrested for the murder of the journalist. New…”

Federal Security Directorate spied_on Enrique Kiki Camarena guest_asserted ▶ 53:45

“Former DEA commander Jordan spent some time with Camarino in Guadalajara, Mexico in the spring of 84. At that time, Jordan says he realized the Mexican DFS agents were tailing Camarino. Jordan says Ca…”

CIA covered_up Rafael Quintero guest_asserted ▶ 54:16

“Jordan says DEA agents managed to catch up with Quintero at the airport in Guadalajara, but were prevented from apprehending him because Quintero was protected by DFS agents that were also connected t…”

Federal Security Directorate covered_up Assassination of Enrique Camarena guest_asserted ▶ 54:16

Federal Security Directorate covered_up Rafael Quintero guest_asserted ▶ 54:16

CIA funded Setco guest_asserted ▶ 54:43

“adds that the plane Quintero flew out on that day was owned by narco-trafficker Mata Balataras, the founder of CETCO, which is a CIA proprietary. Jordan also contends that Quintero was carrying DFS cr…”

CIA covered_up Assassination of Enrique Camarena guest_asserted ▶ 57:37

“Camerino had been tortured to the extent that he needed to be hospitalized, and that risk could not be taken by his abductors, so the decision was made to kill him. Ultimately, it was a quote-unquote …”

Felix Rodriguez supplied_arms_to Contras documented ▶ 1:01:31

“The New York Times reported in 1992, quote, Felix Rodriguez, a retired CIA officer who spent most of his career on the shadowy side of espionage business, appeared today in federal court to testify in…”

CIA covered_up Assassination of Enrique Camarena speculative ▶ 1:03:33

“played clandestinely at the house or worn on a person, the CIA certainly had the means and connections of the Mexican intelligence to get those recordings. What happened with the two missing tapes? As…”

Manuel Buendia exposed CIA guest_asserted ▶ 1:06:36

“Brudia could identify the CIA guys behind the covert contra drug for guns operation by name. What information did he provide to Camerino? Berzello asked. I believe Kiki talked to Berita before he was …”

Enrique Kiki Camarena spied_on Manuel Buendia speculative ▶ 1:06:36

CIA covered_up Kiki Camerini host_asserted ▶ 1:07:32

“IA handlers, after meeting with Camerino, does raise concerns as to who is to blame for the abduction, torture, and death of Camerino. I think the tentacles of the Contra operation run deep and are em…”

CIA trafficked Floyd "Freeway" Rick Ross guest_asserted ▶ 1:15:27

“was a drug dealer dealer in los angeles he said that uh he was he was doing so much business he had a little drive-through set up then the cia you know the cia correct me if i'm wrong but set him up w…”

Blanton Winfield trafficked Floyd "Freeway" Rick Ross host_asserted ▶ 1:16:34

“Colombian-Bolivian cocaine was coming into the United States, both through Texas and Miami, and they were shuttling it out to Los Angeles, to Blanton in Los Angeles. Blanton eventually becomes Ricky's…”

Sandinistas overthrew Anastasio Somoza documented ▶ 1:17:04

“elites from Nicaragua. And when the Sandinistas overthrew the CIA-backed Samosan government, they do this all the time. They export all of the corrupt oligarchs and people that have been on their payr…”

CIA funded Anastasio Somoza documented ▶ 1:17:22

“into the United States. Somoza lived in Texas. He is an evil dictator that killed tens of thousands of Nicaraguans backed by the CIA. And they make sure that he gets entrance into the United States an…”

Anastasio Somoza trafficked CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:17:22

Gary Webb exposed CIA book_quoted ▶ 1:18:37

“How he was basically pulled into this whole thing because they had one of the distributors in San Francisco that had been held for years without charges in jail in San Francisco. And his girlfriend ha…”

CIA covered_up Carlos Lehder book_quoted ▶ 1:22:19

“Every time that he was coming up to finding some of these people that like Blanton and Menendez, they were coded in the system as informants.…”

CIA covered_up Blanton Winfield book_quoted ▶ 1:22:19

“Every time that he was coming up to finding some of these people that like Blanton and Menendez, they were coded in the system as informants.…”

Reinhard Gehlen member_of West Germany host_asserted ▶ 1:31:48

“off of the backs of the taxpayers to provide this intelligence paramilitary capability to their prospective oligarchs. And Germany had their own Galen organization, which of course was the perpetuatio…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 1:34:35

“at whatever is dictated by this international syndicate. And if you refuse to play their game, they will simply activate these intelligence agencies to produce the necessary intelligence to incriminat…”

Benito Mussolini member_of Italy host_asserted ▶ 1:36:15

“They control the government. If you go back to pre-war Italy, that's what they want to set up for everything. Having a totalitarian government that still recognizes the oligarchs in there because Muss…”

Fabian Society targeted_for_regime_change United States host_asserted ▶ 1:37:08

“Everything that you have will be given to you by the government. And that's what they want for the entire world. The Fabians are notorious for saying that they promote one world government. And their …”

United Kingdom funded Muslim Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 1:38:52

“religion, through funding the Mujahideen that turns into Al-Qaeda and ISIS, the UK setting up the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt so they could control and manipulate Egypt for access to the Suez Canal. T…”

United Kingdom funded Mujahideen host_asserted ▶ 1:38:52