The Colonel's Corner The Great Heroin Coup Part 6

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0:00 Awesome. Well, there's still nothing posted about our SWAT team excitement this morning. So what happened? So I live on a dead end road and at the back end, our road used to dead end into a huge cow pasture. It's now a ginormous upscale subdivision.

0:32 someone that lives in that upscale subdivision had about 15 cop cars out in front of their um house and so very early this morning like at seven o'clock we keep hearing this what it sounds like with the door closed is like a weed eater that's fairly close and my husband looked over at me and he says what is that i'm like it sounds like a weed eater but it's too early and he's like

1:01 Huh. So he gets up and he goes out the door and he's like, yeah, that's not a weed eater. It's talking. He says, but it's all mumbled and I can't hear what it's saying. So he got in the truck and he drove around into the subdivision and comes across the 15.

1:25 cop cars with the loudspeaker going, come out, you're surrounded, come out with your hands up. It's like, I just turned around and left. So who knows what was going on. Yeah. We don't get that kind of excitement around here, but, and it's weird because our county is really good about keeping the citizens updated.

1:54 on their webpage about stuff like that, primarily to avoid going in that area or whatever. The city is not, and my property line is the city county boundary. So that subdivision got annexed and it's part of the city. So they still haven't posted what the heck is going on. So I don't know. Anyway, that was the excitement of this morning.

2:27 I know I saw Renee here earlier. I'm reading this book and it is not a book we're going to do. I will probably write an article based on the information in this book. The author gets the plot wrong, but he gets a lot of the details.

2:51 He includes details in here that I haven't found in other areas about Robert Vesco and the iOS operation that he ran and the precursor that was ran. And I think you guys are going to find it very enlightening given what all of the stuff, because what it basically amounts to.

3:16 is bcci before bcci was created um it's very very interesting and it laps over into resort international and all of those other kind of great castle bank and all of that stuff and what's what's interesting to me is that i mean the book was written a while back um i'll give them that much but it's interesting to me

3:44 Because all I'm doing in the margins of the book is that CIA, that CIA, that CIA. And he doesn't understand that these are all CIA fronts. And then when you don't understand what's behind the operation, it's really hard then to put that into context of all of the other stuff that is going on. So that's the beauty.

4:13 of having done the work that we've done we don't have that blinder on anymore we're able to put the pieces where they appropriately belong and i i will tell you guys um i do find i know several people has dm'd me about what um rubio is saying about cuba um you guys know that i've been very upfront about cuba i can see cuba in one of two ways

4:45 Cuba was very convenient for the CIA to have 90 miles off our shore as the boogeyman because they used it, as we discovered, in all of their Latin American operations to justify not having communists. That was kind of the whole mantra. But the other side of that is we also know that the CIA

5:12 was responsible for putting Batista in power and was providing weapons to Batista while at the same time providing weapons to Castro in case he won and they could still co-opt him. Now, the question obviously becomes, did they or did they not co-opt him? Were all of those 400 plus assassination attempts, some of which...

5:41 never came to fruition, but were planned. Was that part of the propaganda? Possibly. I don't really have a dog in any of these fights. We're just trying to find the truth. And I am going to look through the report that is supposedly just been put out there because, again, who's writing that report? Well.

6:09 The State Department still has a whole plethora of sheep-dipped CIA people in it. Did they write the report? The CIA would have an input into that report for the State Department. Do we trust anything the CIA says? We know even under DNI Ratcliffe that he's having to make them do their job.

6:39 I don't know. But I just wanted to throw that out there. It is on my to-do list. I will go through it. And I'll get back with you guys after I do the research into what it is that they're saying. Because if this goes back to Cuba propping up the weather underground, then they're just making the argument that Castro was a CIA puppet because the underground, as with...

7:06 almost every terrorist organization in the United States has at the back of it links to the CIA and destabilization. So anyway, that's where we stand. We are almost finished with chapter 10. And we were getting into some of the people whose names are not well known.

7:37 unless you've done a lot of digging into this. One of the people, and keep in mind where we're at, we're talking about the SDECE, we're talking about General de Gaulle, we're talking, or President de Gaulle, we're talking about the OAS in France. And he's kind of jumping back and forth between the 60s and the 70s in de Gaulle's France and Papadou's.

8:08 So that's kind of where we're at. The first person that he calls out is Ainge Simone Pari. It's S-I-M-O-N-P-I-E-R-I. On September 13th, 1971, Ainge, however you say his name, was arrested at a private clinic in Corsica for smuggling large quantities of heroin.

8:41 between the U.S. and France between 1960 and 1970. His partner in crime had been a Swiss banker by the name of Andre Hertz. Ainge had worked for both the SDECE and the SAC, smuggling drugs, working for the French government. Like Christian David, he had been a player in Algeria.

9:14 directly under Pierre Larmagian. He became so close to Larmagian that as a local SAC leader, he managed the physical part of his 1963 parliamentary campaign. Because of his political connections, he was known in his birthplace of Corsica as an untouchable.

9:44 In August of 1967, the freighter Frederico C. docked in Miami. Customs agent John Wath spotted a hunchback on his way down the gangplank. Finding the hunt suspicious, he slapped it and jokingly asked if it was a burden. The man stiffened and sprang forward towards a taxi.

10:13 in which a sunglass lady was waiting, but the cabbie refused to depart, and Worth nabbed the couple. The man was a Swiss banker by the name of William Lambert, and the woman was Josette Bauer. She was an escapee from a Swiss prison, where she had been serving time after murdering her rich

10:44 father. Customs agents discovered 12 kilos of heroin, which is what made his hunch on his hunch back. The couple was slapped with seven-year sentences in a Miami court. Both claimed to be couriers for the Corsican Mafia. Bonjour, small. They were to have taken the heroin to Boston.

11:16 and handed it off to another Swiss citizen by the name of Robert Mori. The trail led from Mori back to Andre Hearst, but they didn't have enough evidence to link it all together. After this episode, Hearst and his partner, Manjor Small, started a pandemonium. That's their favorite place to go.

11:46 food and chemical company. What a perfect combination to make drugs, chemical and food. You've got shrimp boats for the food part and you've got chemicals coming in to make it. What a brilliant idea. They set up an export company to the U.S. because of course they did. And they were going to fill the cans of quote unquote food.

12:20 with heroin. Hearst was finally trapped in 1969 when U.S. Customs agents opened some of the cans. He was brought before a Geneva court, but it wasn't until April of 1971 that he was sentenced to six and a half years in prison. On that day, his lawyer, a man by the name of Raymond Nicolette, announced that Major Small

12:50 was actually Corsican Mafia Ainge Cimarroni. Cimar-per-roni. Same guy. Major small. The court in Geneva had been pestering French police to question him since 1970, but had been told that he was at a clinic with a bad heart, and he just could not be questioned. He was too sick.

13:21 When Nicolette's assertion hit the French newsstands, he was quickly readmitted to the clinic with supposedly real heart pains. But his number was up. After four months of haggling on 8 September 1971, with the French press urging

13:46 The French interior minister ordered a court-appointed doctor to examine him. Five days later, he was arrested. In July of 72, a French court sentenced him to five years in prison. So basically, Hearst and Simone Parry each got less time than their couriers Lambert and Bauer.

14:16 Once again, there was an assent of a CIA agent, Legros, who had been a longtime family acquaintance of the Hearst family. He was seen with Madame Hearst in Geneva after her husband had been sent to prison. Good old CIA checking up on the spouse. Next is Audrey Labey.

14:47 On 26 September 1971, U.S. Customs agents arrested Frenchman Richard Burden on his way out of the Abbey Victoria Hotel in New York City. His arrest grew out of discovery of 82 kilos of heroin aboard a French, or excuse me, an Italian ship, Rapiello, in New York Harbor, when Burden

15:20 was identified as basically being a small fish in the drug ring, they wanted to begin following him to see who his contacts were. In fact, the arrest was a slip and it caused a rivalry between agents. For half a year, the B&D

15:45 had been cooperating with French narcs in search of Verdun's bankrollers and New York customers. Much to the narcs' chagrin, customs agents struck without warning their rivals. And usually when that happens, guys, especially when it's foreigners, they're doing it to preempt the actual full story being exposed.

16:17 So just keep that in mind. Weeks later, Burden, seeking a reduced sentence, fingered a French all-star drug ring that included gangsters, Laurent, Fiocani, and a whole bunch of other people. None of them are names that, Frank Rappa is one of them. That's a name that we've come across. Giuseppe Geromazzo, we've come across his name.

16:48 But it's a whole bunch of them, like 15 of them. Their sentences range from five to 25 years, while Burden got away with three and only served one and a half by becoming the informant. Today, he was living in the United States with a new name and a new face in a witness protection. But according to officials, he looks over his shoulder all the time.

17:17 because of all the big wigs that he pissed off. On 5 October 1971, one of, he, Andre LeBay decided to visit Paris and just so happened to stop off at the BND office. He said that he was working for the SDECE and helped to bring in 100 kilos of heroin into the United States. Yeah.

17:50 Yeah, this is supposedly after he's in, you know, he's been helping. He would take another trip and basically set up the same kind of operation. The BND supposedly knew that he was a ringleader of a gang. Why did LeBray show up at the U.S. Narcotics Office? And what did he really propose?

18:28 Some say that Labre was employed on the same side as Deloitte by forces seeking either to discredit the new SDECE leadership or to destroy the transatlantic drug crusade. Who knows? Others believed that he was part of the CIA SDECE double agent program. Andre Labre.

18:58 had been another Pierre Larmachand helper in Algeria. Seems like the whole gang does this. For reasons unknown, Lebray began going his own route in the mid-60s with his close friends, CIA agent Legros and Thierry Dubonnet. He had his fling in the international art trade.

19:34 See how those just fit hand in glove. He got involved with a Belgium insurance company that collapsed after they went $6 million in the hole. Le Bray and De Bonnet ran a Parisian hotel where Moroccan Colonel Delemy stayed in the aftermath of the Ben Barka affair. It was also the hotel that doubled as a

20:06 mercenary recruiting station for the Cantanganese army that the CIA was filling full of French Gladio OAS people. So in other words, it's a hub of Gladio in the heart of France. And in his Geneva apartment,

20:41 Krim, who was later murdered. In 68, LeBay went to Haiti. What? Where he made a small fortune in a factory. He was often visited there by CIA agent Legros, and the two became very close with Haitian CIA-installed dictator Papa Doc Duvier.

21:15 Labre ingratiated himself with his daughter, Marie Denise, leading some to suspect they were having an affair. In Haiti, he served as an SDECE slash CIA double agent. He stayed in close contact with U.S. gangsters like Joe Bonanno and Max Entretur.

21:44 And one of his Geneva contacts was Meyer Lansky's syndicate financial brain, John Pullman. And that's really interesting because if you start looking into these people, they make a very interesting network of weapons trafficking, money laundering, and narcotics trafficking.

22:15 in Haiti, and they used Intrabank as that bank has came up several times as part of their financing. Late in the evening on 29 February 1972, the 60-ton shrimp boat Caprice de Thames sailed out of a harbor in France's Mediterranean coast.

22:48 The ship was registered in Guadalupe. Its skipper was a former parachutist, Marcel Bucan. And my research indicated that he was part of the 11th Shock Group parachute guys, which was part of Gladio. He had been smuggling for quite some time from Tangier to France.

23:21 He had smuggled everything, alcohol, cigarettes, weapons, drugs, whatever. To strangers, he was just another, you guessed it, shrimp boat fisherman. In fact, until 1957, he was the chairman of the Fisherman's Union and was also an extraordinarily well-read man. He was married to a woman from Guadalupe.

23:54 And in his later years, he would be traveling throughout the French West Indies. As he was steaming out of France on 28 February 1972, the customs cruiser was leaving Nice. Hours later, customs agents held down his ship. He ordered full steam ahead, but changed his mind when...

24:26 he was fired on aboard the shrimp boat the agents found 425 kilos of number four grade heroin the largest single shipment they had ever confiscated to date the size of the load suggested desperation among the smugglers following the 1971 roundup and execution style

24:56 of many of the Corsican mafia. The heroine, according to the captain, was destined for Santo Traficani's Florida-based mob. He was slapped with a 15-year sentence in January of 1973. His courtroom arrogance and coolness irked the judges so much that his appeal

25:31 during his pill, they added another three years to his sentence. He's kind of stupid. That was unheard of. That was like the toughest sentence that had ever been handed down. The 15 years, as we know, we just read, they were generally five. If it was really, really bad, maybe 10 for heroin trafficking, but not 15 and never.

26:00 Did they tack on another three during the appeal process because they were pissed off at? So don't be a labay. Then the chapter closes out with a short montage about the laboratories. In August of 71, John Kruzak, the head of the U.S. Narcotics, declared in Paris that eight Marseille heroin.

26:30 laboratories financed by influential backers were operating with complete immunity and protection. In return for his frankness, he became persona non grata in France and was returned to the USA. Hey, don't tell our secrets. But the word sank in in France anyway. Pressure was put on the French authorities.

27:02 by the americans and if you ask me this is part of the whole um nixon pompadour arrangement um is to say what they knew would piss off the french and get them all stirred up so that they can beg for intervention um because they've now been embarrassed on the world stage hey come take all these corsican mafias away oh great because that's what we're planning on doing anyway so

27:33 January 27, 1972, French police stormed into a heroin lab. The laboratory, which produced 40 kilos of the highest quality of heroin each week, was ran by Marcus and Marie Antoinette Pastore. Marcus got 15 years. Marie Antoinette got five. In March of 72, the police made an impressive arrest that broke the heart.

28:07 of many a politician, bankroller, and cop. The catch was heroin's grand old man, Joe Cesari. He was the premier number four grade heroin chemist in the world. He had been born in Corsica in 1915. He was a sailor, a bartender, a farmer, and in his early 50s,

28:38 he apprenticed himself to his half-brother, Albertini, who was the manager of one of the heroin labs. In 62, Cesare purchased a luxurious estate. It was a mansion that had its own park, swimming pool, tennis court, everything. No one could figure out where he got all this money from because everybody viewed him as an old sailor.

29:09 Cesare would leave his estate for long stretches of time, and in 1964, narcotics police shadowed him for several months. He would go to an abandoned estate where he had set up two heroin labs and put four assistants to work. The police stormed that estate, arresting Cesare and his staff. They also made an interesting discovery in one of the back rooms.

29:41 the nephew of Marcel Francisi. Months earlier, the boy's father, on an unannounced trip back to Corsica, had discovered his wife with a lover, whom he proceeded to shoot through the throat before returning to France with his son. As head of the family, Marcel Francisi looked after his nephew. He placed him under the wings of the Cesare

30:13 laboratory worker and his wife. This is the same friend, Sissy, who denies any involvement in heroin at all. Yeah, yeah, we just have him hanging out there under the supervision of a woman whose husband is actively making heroin, but we're not involved in it at all. We just stumbled across this daycare center in the middle of a heroin lab.

30:44 I wonder if we were funding that one too. Cesare was sentenced to seven years in prison. He was released a whole lot sooner. As soon as he was out, he went right back to work. In 1971, production was estimated at 20 kilos a day. That meant a lot of shipments to the United States. He's probably the one who produced the heroin that was on the ship that just got confiscated.

31:22 In March of 72, Cesare was setting up a lab in the Suzanne building in a nearby town. Police traced him through an assistant and arrested him. Their prisoner was a hunched, sickly old figure ruined by years of acid gas and inhalation. In reality, he was only 58 years old. On March 22nd, he hung himself in his prison cell.

31:54 Cesare left behind letters making it clear that he had planned to settle down in Latin America and transition to making cocaine. Many people speculated that was a joint plan with Christian David, who basically supervised just such a ring in Latin America. Cesare's death was a drastic blow to the Corsican.

32:28 heroin industry. Literally no one knew how to make that number four grade heroin like he did. On July 15, 1972, French narcs closed out a series of raids leading to closing of three other labs. A few days later, President Nixon telegraphed, congratulations to Pompadour. Congratulations, the CIA has now taken over.

33:04 the heroin trade exclusively, out with the Corsican Mafia. All right, chapter 11, the capture of Christian David in Brazil. Auguste Record, March 71, imprisonment in Paraguay, taught Christian David and Lucien Sarté that it was time to move on. Their choice of location was going to be Brazil, in particular, Ilha Bela.

33:37 an island off the coast north of Santos. Conveniently, only two hours from Sao Paulo and five from Rio de Janeiro. It also provided a small harbor as well as a convenient landing strip. Just what you need to be a drug trafficker. The two was in a small hotel ran by...

34:08 Sarté's Brazilian mistress. Christian David was by then an undisputed boss of the Brazilian connection. Its other leaders were Sarté, Mikel Nicolai, Francesca Canazzi, and a whole bunch of other French sounding names. But also it included Orzini.

34:38 whose name we've come across quite often. Most had known David through their French SAC connections. Some had been with Record in Paraguay. Newcomers Orzini and Canazzi were wanted in France for murder. Not all of them lived on the island. Some were strategically placed elsewhere, like Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo.

35:12 Barcelona. They had connections to a permanent core of collaborators. The organization was solid. Heroin flowed steadily from Marseille to the island, on to Miami and New York. Christian David ran into a major obstacle, the Italian mafia. Tommaso Braschetta

35:43 One of the Sicilians, most notable thugs, was ordered to Brazil in 1970 to prepare for a takeover of the narcotic traffic. Again, this has everything to do with the CIA pushing the French out. Christian David is going to be caught right in the middle of that. Bruschetta was wanted in Italy for murdering 12 people, including seven policemen.

36:15 Can you say Operation Gladio? That was referred to as the Siculi Massacre in Sicily. He's also alleged to have been responsible for the disappearance of a reporter, Moro De Moro, who had stuck his nose into the murder of Enrico Mattei. He was the guy that...

36:46 basically was saying, hey, Gladio was real. Gladio was real. He was murdered. They murdered him. And he was right. And he died because he was right. In a year of his arrival in Sao Paulo, Bruchetta had his legitimate cover. 250 taxis, a chain of snack bars, and an aluminum plant. It was all a front. And record was put away. Bruchetta decided,

37:18 bruschetta decided the hour had arrived to move in on the narcotics business in southern south america he had not reckoned with christian david following an extended struggle that ended with david still on top bruschetta was forced to play hardball like everyone else and brought with him into the organization his son benedetto

37:47 and two other guys. Life, though, was not all hard work for David and company. They also had a vibrant nightlife. They threw lavish parties. They mixed with film stars, singers, and international celebrities. And still there was time for politics. David and others took part in the Argentine Anti-Communist Alliance, AAA, massacres,

38:17 in argentina the operation condor version of gladio he remained on good fitting footing with the brazilian death squad operation condor version of gladio at the same time sac agents from david's past lent their expertise to setting up torture chambers and um helping sergio flore head of the san paulo

38:53 infamous death squad they had a lot of help from the cia's usa id office of public safety and that venture as well like all good things david's came to an end his and his brazilian connection in 1972 was a faithful year in more ways than one it began with the arrest in january of sarte and his girlfriend helena on suspicion of passing counterfeit money

39:28 That proved to be a police calling card, as the couple was soon back on the streets. In late 71, plugging of French drug smuggling routes had made things difficult to get to their U.S. buyers. Aware that the Franco-American forces were bent on crushing the French network, the New York and Miami mafia dons were encroaching.

39:57 The arrest of several dealers left the Brazilian connection short of customers. In February of 72, shortly before Carnivali in Rio, David Sarte and Buscata and Nicolai spent three days with Carlo Zippo, a mafia emissary from New York, at the meeting which transpired at Rio's Plush Hotel.

40:28 The mobsters developed a new network and buyer system. Sartre, jittery after his arrest, would be moved to Mexico City, a new transit point. In March, Sartre went to Mexico City, where he was joined by his wife. They were set up in a very nice apartment.

40:53 Sarte had no notion that the police had been tailing him ever since his entry into Mexico. Somebody had tipped them off. Imagine that. The Guatemalan authorities were after him for an armed attack on a bank. He was also wanted by Bolivian police. The Interpol had issued descriptions of him everywhere. In the evening of April 17th,

41:21 Sarte and his wife left their hideout to go to the movies. Before they got to their car, they were surrounded by police. Sarte was unarmed, but the police shot and killed him and arrested his wife. The next day, the Mexican minister of justice declared that the international drug trafficker had been killed in a confrontation, unarmed. A couple of months later,

41:50 French newspapers added that Christian David had been in Mexico City at the same time of Sarté's death, but he had escaped and made it back to Brazil. So in other words, there was a hit put out on him, and the Mexican police were only too happy to execute the hit. In May of 72, Brazilian police found the body of a young woman washed ashore on Ila Bala Beach. It was...

42:22 the owner of the bordello that David's gang hung out in. Examination revealed the cause of the death was strangulation. Another body appeared in the same place the next day. It was her boyfriend and partner, Claudio Rodriguez, who had had his head busted in. This double murder suspect initially was

42:53 Christian David. They thought the allegation was that those two had tipped off the departure and destination of the two that were hit in Mexico City. Sarte's mistress, Helena Ferreira, was jailed for her own safety while Brazilian police, egged on strongly by U.S. narcotic agents, hunted down David.

43:35 David's gang. Besides entertaining the police with stories of the gang's escapades, she also claimed they met frequently with the French millionaire playboy, Legros, except he's CIA. Whether because of corruption of the Brazilian police ranks or an agreement involving the CIA and the U.S. drug authorities, David's gang remained at large for the time being, despite there being an actual open

44:05 manhunt because if they could tie christian david to leg gross leg gross is cia let's just think about that for a little bit if he was extradited they would have to catch him in the act david in the meantime was ensconced in a rio villa where he was set up there with his mistress in early october 72 the cia and drug officials

44:41 were finally ready to strike. When in Rio de Janeiro Harbor, they discovered 60 kilos of heroin about to be shipped by the gang to Miami aboard a freighter. Police picked up Mikel, Nikolai, and San Paolo and nabbed most of the other members within a day. On October 17th, a large police force was dispatched to pick up David, but...

45:14 He was tipped off and managed to slip away. On October 21st, two alert policemen noticed an obvious nervous young woman shopping in Salvador in the Brazilian state of Bahia. They followed her to a third-class hotel. She looked too well-dressed to be in the area, so the officers brought her in. It was David's girlfriend. Shortly thereafter, David was packing up.

45:45 when six policemen smashed the door in. He lunged for a pistol, but was grabbed before a shot was fired. What followed was a tussle that the officers will never forget. He was a master of karate. He threw us around like balls, they said. If there had only been four of us, we would not have been able to take him. Handcuffs and foot chains was needed to restrain him.

46:19 Nor did he relent as he laid on the floor, battered and exhausted, but rather tried bribing the officers to release him. He offered them each $100,000, plus tickets to go anywhere with their families. He managed, handcuffed and all, to grab a drinking glass, smash it, and cut his wrist. His goal was going to the hospital where he knew he could escape.

46:50 but his hospital stay was too short. Guards kept a close eye on him. Then he was soon thrown into a cell. Just how great an effort the French made to have David extradited remains in doubt. Certainly some wanted him back to stand trial. Others preferred that he never have the opportunity to talk. There were representatives on both sides. Since international law placed France in the driver's seat,

47:20 His efforts to extradite must have been minimal at best because he's a French citizen. He has an open indictment and conviction for murder in France. But somehow the authorities decided he wasn't going back to France, his home country. Really, really weird.

47:56 Many were dumbfounded when Brazil extradited David to the U.S. without even notifying France. Before extradition to the U.S., however, he shocked the world by admitting his complicity in the Ben Berka affair. He also cut the artery in his wrist a second time. And on the day before his transfer, he got a hold of the light bulb, crushed it, and swallowed it.

48:28 According to his own testimony later, he was unaware of his destination when the U.S. narcs came for him, presuming he was going to France. The Americans, he claimed, pumped him full of drugs. During the trial that began within days of his arrival in Brooklyn, newspapers reported that he had been a victim of torture. David himself said, I was tortured by Brazilian police for 30 days and fed nothing. They stole all of my money.

48:59 Today, I can't afford a lawyer. Whiny-ass crybaby story. David and Mikkel Nikolai, who, with Claude-Andre Pasto, had been extradited to the U.S. before David, each claimed they had been hung head down over a steam-puffing pipe as Brazilians administered electric shocks to their Gentiles. Now, of course, we know.

49:30 especially during this time, that actually happened all the time in Brazil. We've read horrifying testimony in courts that says that actually happened. Whether it happened to them, I don't know. They definitely have the facilities thanks to USAID, CIA, and the torture schools that we conducted down there. It's weird because that was not well known in Brazil at the time. It was very secret.

50:02 because most of the survivors had not been released during this time so the fact that they report that torture which is exactly the torture that was later revealed by victims that survived that torture most of them did not it lends itself to an air of credibility that's all i'm going to say on december 1st the court handed down its sentence auguste record extradited from paraguay two months earlier

50:33 had gotten 27 years. Wonder if his prison in the U.S. was going to be as nice as his prison in Latin America, where he got food from his local restaurant. I'm going to go ahead and probably say no. David and Nikolai got 20 years. Pasto, who gave the Americans important information on the Deloitte affair, got seven. Other Frenchmen in David's gang were extradited back to France.

51:02 where they had been wanted for murder and other capital crimes. Only one to avoid arrest was Andre Koldemeyn, who went underground only to be murdered. Well, that sucks. Frances Cioppi avoided extradition until 1976, when he was sentenced in New York to 20 years. Tommaso Bruchetta and the gang's three other Italians were nabbed on...

51:30 november 1972 nearly two weeks after david emmer shipped off to italy fernand legos the mystery man was apparently placed under protective confinement in rio shortly after david's sentencing in the u.s officially he was arrested in connection with art fraud each day though he was brought lavish mills including lobster champagne cognac

52:01 The big French underworld shakedown began just as Legros was quote-unquote imprisoned. If Legros had aided the CIA in the David affair, he must have been high on the list of those to be taken care of. I'm going to go ahead and say lobster and cognac is being taken care of. And it's weird that after he showed up, all of these people were rounded up. You know.

52:30 Like we're eliminating the Corsican piece of the Corsican drug network in Brazil. In 1974, SAC agents kidnapped Legros in Brazil and threw him back to France and locked him up. Somebody was interested in the part that he had played in certain affairs. Legros's friend, Henry Kissinger, then Secretary of State, came to his aid.

53:02 Kissinger personally demanded his release, protesting sharply about the kidnapping of a U.S. citizen. Legros still fears for his life. As recently as the spring of 1976, a nervous Legros surrounded by bodyguards said he had been threatened by Christian David's colleagues and demanded police protection.

53:32 Yeah, I'd be scared too. That's what happens when you mess around with these people. So that's it. We're in chapter 12. Again, they're swallowing light bulbs. I mean, this is insanity. Just saying. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I can.

54:04 competently say there's nothing that you could make me fear um to the point where i would swallow a light bulb fragments but anyway totally nuts go ahead renee hey good afternoon everybody um yeah this this chapter my head just spins because um it really um goes

54:37 through the timeline and the trafficking routes just come to my mind of like the Germans over there, then the French over there, and then the Italian mafia. And I think you mentioned Joe Bonanno or however you say his name. He, he had, you know, he was in Cuba, he was in Canada and it just shows all of these places go through my mind. So you've read more about the,

55:07 italian mafia as well do you do you see i mean who who was first especially with the canada uh do you think the the french were first and then the italian and then the cia do you see it in that order of the the these trafficking routes and all this oh they have different ones okay so i don't think there's a

55:35 pecking order as far as first, second, and third. I think they did different cities. There was particular French through Quebec into Canada. There were other port cities that the Italian mafia favored. And again, keep in mind, there's no difference between the CIA and the Italian mafia.

56:05 They got in bed together the day after World War I. They were in bed as part of the whole Sicilian campaign plan on helping the US military. And of course, as soon as Mussolini was gone, who had banned the mafia from operating in Italy, it came back.

56:36 full force. So within the first couple of years, you have the entire new, and keep in mind that in the immediate aftermath of World War II, when Italy still had US governors in charge of all of the operations, you remember how they were running all of the black market through the mob in Naples and in Rome, and they were all

57:02 re um filling up their bank accounts um because in the immediate aftermath everything was um basically um scarce and so they allowed the mafia to go on base and

57:19 they were both stealing things from the u.s military on these bases plus they were buying black market buying supplies that they would then take to the locals and sell at like 10 or 20 times the markup so immediately the mafia in um italy is in bed with the oss then the cia and the u.s military um to start

57:47 this functioning heroin network out of, and they use the mafia inside of the United States as the network for the distribution, you know, because this is before we have the Cuban exiles, which basically then get brought into this mafia drug distribution network after, you know, the

58:11 late 1950s. I think the revolution in Cuba was 58, if I remember correctly. And then they started using them internally to the United States. So you have basically two pipelines, if you will. One, it's all originating in Turkey, Afghanistan, and the Golden Triangle. So you have the Golden Crescent, the Golden Triangle.

58:40 After France was pushed out of Vietnam, they relied primarily on the Golden Crescent. So you've got the Golden Crescent into Marseille and then into their network. And you have the Chiang Kai-shek that's in charge of the Asian piece of this that's in bed with the CIA. And we've got Thailand. And that market is going through Sicily and originally through Cuba.

59:10 when Batista was in charge, and then into the United States. And so you have these two basic heroin highways into the United States. In the 70s, during this time that we're reading about, it was decided we're going to blow up the French Highway, if you think about it in a figurative way. We are going to take out their entire network. We already pushed them. Well, they got thrown out of Vietnam.

59:40 We took over all their shit over there. And we basically are funding Turkey so we can make the Turkish do whatever we want. We own their military. We basically built their entire network there. And so we can put the squeeze on them, which we did in Turkey, cut their supply off. Now they're battling for a supply.

1:00:04 we took down um and the next chapter um goes into it a little bit more um in depth we took down their lab um we're taking down their network in latin america so basically it's just if they had an entire highway system it was just detonated does that make sense yes yes well it's just wild thank you for yeah so there's parallel

1:00:34 um uh competition going on and we are like we do in all um things we're eliminating the competition um all along go ahead yeah colonel um you you just mentioned something uh related to the mafia raids on military bases um i know i mentioned this before but you know jack ruby is of course directly linked to that through the um lewis mcwillie guy

1:01:06 There was a lot of efforts made to cover up his connections to the Lewis McWillough guy who was important in terms of raids on the really gigantic military base in Alabama that got weapons from the military base and sent them to Cuba as early as 1958. Are you talking about up in Huntsville?

1:01:36 Yeah. OK, so hold on just a second, though. I don't want to be misunderstood. These were not raids. These were the mafia walking into U.S. military bases in Italy and paying military people to take these supplies that were going to be deemed, quote unquote, surplus.

1:01:59 and walk out the gate with them knowing exactly what they were going to do with them and selling them on the black market because the oss were also residing on all of these bases so what you're talking about is a little different where they actually were going into places now in some cases people do say there were complicit people in armories that allowed them to have access to it but it wasn't the official policy of the army

1:02:27 when that was happening, where this was an official policy. Everybody knew this was going on in Italy in the aftermath of World War II. But yeah, go ahead. Right. I didn't mean to suggest an official policy in Alabama, but more of a covert policy. Yes. With Mafia and CIA and some, you know, to some degree, some folks around in the Alabama air funds bill. But.

1:02:56 The other thing I just wanted to mention is, you know, earlier at the very beginning of the show, you mentioned, what's his name with the V, Vesco, Robert Vesco. Robert Vesco. And he is, you know, I remember reading him about him in the first book by that guy who, the book came out in 1978 about the CIA's relationship with private.

1:03:31 corporations i mean i'm sure you've read it it's um it's the same guy who wrote secret agenda um then i think the in my opinion best still best book on water beach but it's still escaping me but anyway uh the point is that um it's interesting how like the robert vesco and his connections with that british guy bernie kornfeld um who was

1:04:02 running a kind of a sort of ponzi scheme out of england and a large part of it was based in the caribbean um that kind of overlaps with the robert vesco quote scandal unquote um it culminated around 1974 i think and it's kind of interesting that that vesco narrative is kind of not really connected up with a lot of other things that were going on around that time in europe

1:04:33 You very rarely hear about him in connection with other like drug operations and intelligence narratives. So to me, it's kind of interesting that when it occurred in terms of like the transition from the Bureau of Narcotics to the new DEA. And also, you know, the longer term.

1:05:02 discussion that you've been having about the switch from the Portuguese to the Sicilian mafia and also the the change you know that you mentioned earlier about from the gall who definitely had his differences with CIA yes serious ones yes and um to Papadu who's just more seems to be much more aligned with the

1:05:29 S-D-E-C-E or whatever those letters are. Yeah, S-D-E-C-E. Right, right. And it's interesting how these transition periods kind of overlap, whether they're causally connected and or in what way is, I'm uncertain about, but it's definitely an interesting, seems to be an interesting period, transition period here, roughly between like 1966 versus to 1973.

1:05:58 in terms of all kinds of international older relationships that are changing. Yes. I couldn't agree more. And the guy's name is Jim Hoogan, I think is who you're talking about, because I'm reading his book right now, Spooks. That's the book that has this long dissertation of Robert Vesco and one of the best details.

1:06:25 Um, and again, I read this, um, as if I'm reading it to you guys, even though I'm not, um, because I know that as soon as I say the, the different pieces of it out loud, you're going to go, oh my God, that's so CIA. It's not even funny. Cause that's what I do now. Um, and that's the reason why a lot of these details I do want to, um, post about, which I will. Um, but you're absolutely right. The.

1:06:53 the difference in um the 19 um the late 1960s and through the early 1970s while by the way we're still in vietnam um and the total you know um annexation of the heroin um spring heads from asia under control

1:07:23 So it's huge. Zen, go ahead. Two days, this might sound retarded. Anyways, Frank Lucas, Vietnam vet, they made a movie about him called American Gangster with Denzel Washington. He was smuggling heroin in from Vietnam. And I think a lot of people have seen that movie. However, there was an army captain.

1:07:58 named Jeffrey McDonald, who was at Fort Bragg. He was a doctor. And I read somewhere his family got murdered. Right. And nobody could even believe that he would do it. And he said a bunch of hippies came in in the middle of the night, wrote shit on the walls. You know it. I do. But what I heard was

1:08:28 He might have discovered that they were putting drugs and KIA bodies coming back from NOM and he discovered it. Have you heard anything along those lines? Not specifically that, but because he was inside of that network, what I think.

1:08:57 And I hate even saying this, but what I think people don't fully appreciate is the evilness that we have exposed of these people's ability to do the unthinkable to people that threaten their network. So whatever it was, and I'm just saying this from a perspective.

1:09:25 if i was looking at that case i do not believe that most people looked at that case as a part of a bigger operation they looked at it strictly as a murder and that is a mistake anytime you're dealing with people at fort bragg fort bragg whether by their own um accord or

1:09:55 as part of the CIA covert extended network, is involved in very nefarious things. There are people inside that network that wise up to how corrupt the CIA is. If you voice that to anyone in that network that doesn't share your skepticism,

1:10:25 or is complicit in the evilness that they're doing, you put out a death warrant, not only on yourself, but potentially your family. And if he was viewed as such a threat, the way that you could hurt a man the most is kill his family. And I don't believe at any part of that process that was even considered.

1:10:56 Does the CIA do MKUltra where they can alter people's and send in those types of quote unquote hippies to do wet works for them? Absolutely. We've seen it over and over and over again. So without the knowledge of how big this umbrella is, they looked at it.

1:11:24 as ludicrous on the surface of it. And it sounds ludicrous, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true. I've always had like a million questions about that case. And that was before I knew anything about how nefarious the CIA is. Now that I know, and I know the association of those people being involved, both unwitting and wittingly,

1:11:54 in those operations it definitely adds a completely different um twist to his story excellent answer yeah he was a special forces doctor yes i believe he might have been west point or one of the vmi i can't remember i've watched a deal on him a long time ago but that answer is great yeah um it it there's

1:12:22 there is so many more questions that i have about that um then and i had a million questions at the beginning of it um but i have even more questions now because of all of the different um things that i have learned since then um so yeah thank you you're welcome um all along go ahead yeah colonel um just you're mentioning of that author

1:12:54 um jim holland i just wanted to quickly you know point out a couple of things that are so interesting about him in terms of um when he was writing namely like 1978 and like the mid-1970s and you know his analysis in the book that you mentioned is like today a lot of people would be you know would are trained to call it conspiracy theory because you know there's just no journalism anymore and they don't know the difference

1:13:22 But it's kind of important to notice that he was writing in the mid and late 1970s. Correct. He was a Washington editor of Harper's Magazine, you know, and that's kind of noteworthy because it kind of really slaps you in the face and say, wait a minute, you know, everything that, you know, today is called conspiracy theory. You know, we know how bad the mainstream media is and we know how.

1:13:51 mockingbird it is and yet you know that can sometimes make us forget you know how much worse it's gotten you know incrementally but forever you know incrementally but forever that's a that's a combination that's important to understand because it's like if it's incremental then people can't call it out and society can't say wow this is really getting worse um but

1:14:21 When it's been going on so long, it's, you know, it's going to lead to a kind of corruption, especially in journalism, that is, you know, exponentially greater than even the most purported, you know, out there alternative media can type. You know, if the corruption in media is that deep or that long.

1:14:49 And also, I just wanted to mention a couple other things, but people, you know, his book on Watergate from 1984, Jim Hogan, H-O-U-T-A-N, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name, but whatever, Hogan, whatever, is still among the best Watergate books I've ever read. You know, I think it was the first major, you know, Watergate revisionist book, but it is unput down on me.

1:15:18 It's called Secret Agenda. It came out in 1984. And I strongly recommend it. The other thing that I've mentioned before is, you know, online, you can see Jim Hogan's article on Jonestown, which is called Jonestown Parapolitical Cube. I've mentioned that a bunch of times, but it's so important that everybody read that. That's available online at University of California, San Diego Sociology Departments.

1:15:47 site it's just uh he is a very interesting one and at the same time i he has also criticized some other writers on jonestown in in my opinion unfairly you know but you know by calling them conspiracy theorists and that is i think that to some degree that's an extent of the climate in which you know the folks who are out there at the furthest edge of the permissible

1:16:17 are going to, to some extent, have to play this game of distinguishing themselves from those other wacky people. You know what I mean? It's not just a matter of individuals, but it's kind of systemic to a system in which CIA has defined boundaries in so many different areas, whether it be journalism, political science, historical academia, whatever.

1:16:45 You have to kind of stab your nearest neighbor in order to seem like you're not one of them, as it were. Yeah. The only the only comment that I have thus far in that book, Spooks, is his not understanding. Obviously, he doesn't know anything about Operation Gladio and he misses the point. I don't know if you've ever read the book, but he misses and blames basically.

1:17:16 JFK for much of what the CIA did without realizing the CIA was so far outside of JFK's control that it's not funny. And so the rest of the book, like I said, the details of it are very, very interesting. And he goes into, but I think he missed the plot by not recognizing.

1:17:41 that the CIA operates independent of the presidency on most things that they do. And of course, you know, like you say, he's writing at a much different time period where we now have multiple examples of them operating outside of the control of the presidency. Zen, go ahead. I've thought about this for a couple years now.

1:18:12 Initially, the CIA was started after World War II. They needed to continue the, what was it, the strategic OSS, Office of Strategic Services, did a great job in World War II. And in 1947, they started the CIA. And it started on a good idea to protect America. What I'm thinking is they're kind of rogue.

1:18:43 We all know this. In the military, you're bound by the UCMJ. If you're in the Army or the Air Force or the Navy or the Marines and you go home on leave for a couple weeks and you get a DUI, 99% of the time, the military is going to take the case and they're going to do things worse to you than the civilian court would.

1:19:12 Well, hold on just a second. The DUI, when you're on leave, will be adjudicated by the local civilian court. In addition to that, you will be held accountable by the military court. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Why can't they put the CIA under the military bound by...

1:19:43 ucmj are they bound by any kind of uh apparatus like the ucmj um bridget are you oh i'll answer your question in just a second are you over on um rumble yes can you get that jack miller guy sorry yep i just saw him okay um so first of all i'm gonna bust your bubble about the oss the oss was

1:20:15 an extension of the, because they were all bankers and lawyers and PR guys, they were an extension of the oligarch class. They provided quote unquote intelligence to the military to come up with strategic bombing. And they conveniently didn't bomb places and things that their

1:20:40 actual bosses, the oligarchs in the West didn't want on the bombing list. So while we can say that they provided a service during the war, they were not untethered to their real bosses, which was not the military plan or the United States government. It was to the oligarchs whose bank they had just left, whose law firm they had just left.

1:21:08 And that is clearly shown in the Nuremberg trials that basically did not hold 99% of the guilty parties of the Nazi apparatus accountable. Not only did they not hold them accountable.

1:21:28 It was the OSS that set up the rat lines to save most of them and put them in Italy, put them in Spain, Otto Skorzeny, Reinhard Galen, set them up as the chief intelligence officer of the soon-to-be West German government. So no, the OSS was no better than the CIA, in fact. And then on top of that, they made those same bankers, lawyers, and PR ad agency people

1:21:58 core element of the CIA. So from day one, they were a corrupt organization as demonstrated by their negotiations in Operation Sunrise to take over the secret stay behind networks that Reinhard Galen had set up under Hitler and fold them into the newly birthed NATO organization.

1:22:26 and under the guise of setting up the this capability as a quote-unquote anti-communist um capability when in fact the gladio stay behind units was always to create destabilization action units for them to terrorize their own citizens which they not only did in europe they did in the united states as well creating

1:22:51 And the smoking gun in the United States is Operation Northwood that was written by Lyman Lemitsker while he was the chief of staff as a four-star general to use Cuban exiles to assassinate Americans dressed up as Castro Cubans in order to justify a war against Cuba.

1:23:16 That's the same Lyman Lemonsker that was sitting beside Alan Dulles at Operation Sunrise, negotiating the takeover of the stay behind units and the embedding of them in European governments so they could control the European countries. So it was rotten from before it was created.

1:23:39 thanks to Operation Sunrise, as far as the CIA is concerned. And it's been rotten ever since. When you have an organization that can assassinate the president of the United States and have a get out of jail free called national security, if you can run the world's largest narco terrorist organization, and every time the honest DEA

1:24:08 And the honest FBI discovered that the CIA is behind a narco terrorist organization only to be thwarted and told you cannot go any further from that. And not only that, in the case of Manuel Noriega, the judge that they put that case in front of was told by everyone in the U.S. government, you cannot allow any mention of the word CIA. He was on their payroll.

1:24:37 He had been on their payroll for over a decade. He banked at the same banks that these people, to include George H.W. Bush. Noriega's trial was a scam. And when you put the ground rules up front that you can't actually identify the very network that's responsible for the crimes that were committed by Manuel Noriega, because it's going to implicate the CIA.

1:25:06 Which should have been implicated because they were behind the entire frickin network that was set up. We don't have a justice system. We don't have. And they run as if they report to no one except for the oligarchs. Every one of their adventures.

1:25:23 in foreign countries and overthrowing governments benefit the oligarchs that they used to bank for or they used to lawyer for or whatever that's the reason why the same law firms show up over and over and over again in the cia repertoire it's why they go to the same schools it's why they belong to the same societies all of that stuff they don't work for the american people now to your point about them um

1:25:50 If you need an intelligence capability, putting it under the Secretary of War, I have said from the beginning of this exercise for the last four years, that is the answer. The only foreign intelligence that we need is in the defense of America. The people that have the mission to defend America is the Department of War. And that's where it should have been all along.

1:26:21 That's why I asked you the question about the UCMJ, and I agree with that totally. Yeah, I read this book called Behind Enemy Lines about there was like 18s that went into Thailand and Siam at the time or whatever, and they just gave the Japs all kinds of problems. And while Bill Donovan...

1:26:47 Went over there one time. It's a real good book. You've probably read it. But real quick question. My best friend growing up, I met him when I was five. We lived a couple houses down from each other. His dad, William Pitt, was one of the first members of the CIA. In World War II, he was the signalman.

1:27:10 He didn't get in until the very end. He was in training, and then he had mop-up duty for like two years. He didn't get into combat, but he served on a destroyer to like 48. Then he went to college in West Virginia, and the CIA showed up there to recruit people, and he got recruited, and he was involved in the Indonesia. I remember his son showed me the picture of him getting a medal.

1:27:40 God, you just said his name and I forgot it. Not Donovan, the other guy that was in charge. Alan Dulles? Dulles, yeah. He thought it was Nixon and I thought it was Nixon. Oh, he got a medal from Nixon in like 15 years when we got older. He goes, no, it was Alan Dulles. But anyway, I know once you're CIA, you're always CIA. He was involved in the Indonesian coup thing.

1:28:11 I remember Derek telling me how my dad communicated with the submarine that rescued them off of Indonesia. And I read in this book where they were like on the run and this submarine rescued a group of like six of them or something. And his dad was one of them.

1:28:36 He didn't even do 20 years in the CIA. He got out on the preface that he wanted to start a family. And I don't know if it was before or after the Kennedy thing, but I remember he would always play football and baseball with us. And then when Watergate was going on, he had to go in and watch TV to watch the president speak or whatever the program was they had on every night at the time. And he was like all into that.

1:29:06 He lived to be 91 and he passed away a few years ago. And his brother, I told Derek, I said, you need to get a tape recorder and sit down and get all his stories and stuff. And supposedly he did. And I'm waiting to hear all this eventually when I go up to Minnesota to visit him. But yeah, thanks for that. That's a great answer. Sorry for the long window. That's okay. Yeah, thank you. Adam, go ahead.

1:29:35 I just found it interesting you mentioned Operation Sunrise. And it's like they stick with some of these words because if you're familiar with the Sunrise Movement, which is something current and has been happening, they had something called the Sunrise Zoom calls in about, I think it was 2019, right before the election, where they tabletopped. It was around like September or August of 2019.

1:30:03 It was 2020, yeah, that's what it was, right before the election, like months before, where they tabletopped what would happen if Trump won, what they would do, and what they would do if Trump lost. And pretty much they planned out J6, you know, and the whole entrapment of Americans within that Sunrise Zoom calls.

1:30:28 Uh, very interesting. Uh, Ash in America was, I think one of the people that was like doing work on that, uh, and exposing it along with a bunch of other people. Um, uh, what's it called? And, uh, yeah, uh, I was going to hit on something else. Oh, I totally forgot, but I'll raise my hand, but I found that sunrise, uh, thing interesting. Something that they use that. Yeah. I, when I was researching, um, somebody had mentioned it on.

1:30:58 And it definitely caught my attention only because I know what Operation Sunrise was. And yeah, it's just another agitation movement for destabilization opportunities. And yes, I would, I share your, I don't believe in coincidences anymore. I don't think that was an accident. Okay.

1:31:29 Anybody else? All right, guys, that's it for this wonderful Monday. I'm going to jump off of here and, um, go have some, um, dinner and then, um, we will be back tomorrow. Let me go ahead while we're on here and check the calendar, um, for, um, what this week looks like. Um,

1:32:01 We have just the normal shows. I think there will be a Tommy podcast on Wednesday morning that will be probably released around lunchtime. Just the normal cast of characters. And then everything else looks like a normal week from there on. So that's it. So thanks everybody for.

1:32:29 joining us on our walk through the great heroin coup today. So, Adam, go ahead. Yeah, I remembered. In regards to CIA members being tried under UCMJ, the interview with Lindsey Graham speaking to Kavanaugh came up where citizens can be tried under that if they, you know, ate in a bed.

1:32:59 uh enemy combatants uh so on so forth so that that is uh i wanted to address that to uh what zen was asking earlier if they could be tried under that and uh apparently uh with that what kavanaugh affirmed uh they could be there there are certain provisions um for you to meet a military court um

1:33:23 when you are deemed it's, it's too broad in most cases for most of the nefarious things that they've done. Um, in my opinion, but yes, there are those provisions. Um, the, the whole dealing with the CIA, um, is, um, um, uh, nefarious by its nature.

1:33:54 As a result of that, Bridget, I think your mic is unmuted. I think some of these, you know, hosts of spaces that like, you know, get paid by foreign operations like the IRGC or Mossad or whatever the heck it is, you know, British intelligence, you know, that are foreign operatives trying to undermine the president of the United States and hosting these spaces and pushing these.

1:34:21 you know foreign uh propaganda narratives so that's completely different number one you'd have to ask yourself if they're and again i'm not a lawyer um i'm just going to preface that um you'd have to show that there is that direct linkage that they're being paid and it would come under fara um and they would be prosecuted as a result of that um

1:34:47 to actually go to the point of saying that they're basically a participant in a an attack on the united states is a whole nother matter because you're basically um having to be like participating now and i'm not suggesting there's not some of those people out there as well um but that that's a much higher standard and i think just from the simplicity of it

1:35:17 And keep in mind, if you had an intelligence service under the Department of War, they're not going to all be military and they're not going to all be subject to the UCMJ. There would be still a lot of civilians and that's still going to require trials in federal court as a result of that.

1:35:47 take people that are in the CIA and prosecute them in federal court, especially if they are part of a narco network where their participation is facilitating it, not trying to disrupt it.

1:36:09 The problem that we've had in the past is that the people that have been participating in it has been protected by the higher ups in the CIA and the information is never allowed to be heard in court. That's the problem that we have. Zen, go ahead. Just real quick. Seeing how Trump and his family and all he's been through.

1:36:39 and the 51 intelligence agents he would have an axe to grind and want to get the cia under some kind of control with the department of war um i haven't read the charter when the cia was formed i guess that went through congress it's the national security act yeah yeah i'd have to go through congress

1:37:07 How would that work? How would something like that work to do that? They would just abolish it. Yes. I was going to say Space Force has been kind of building up in that apparatus for intelligence, you know, so we could just abolish it and rely on Space Force for military intelligence. But yeah.

1:37:25 But it wouldn't just be Space Force because you actually have to have assets on the ground. And we have done that in the past. Task Force 157 was part of that where we had naval people that were undercover agents.

1:37:44 And they were basically going around to all of these countries and mapping out as basically disguised as civilian geologists. They were basically mapping out. It was an operation under the Office of Naval Intelligence. These things has been done.

1:38:04 The Office of Naval Intelligence is the ones that was working with Meyer Lansky in World War II. These things have been done before we ever had a CIA. We have had covert intelligence collection before we ever had the CIA. And they were under the auspices of the War Department. And that's the arrangement, in my opinion, that we need to go back to.

1:38:34 So there you have it. All right. Great. Great space. Thank you. Thank you for being here. All right, guys, we're going to sign off or I'm going to my stomach. I'm surprised my stomach's been growling for the last hour. So you guys take care and I'll see you tomorrow at four o'clock. All right, let's go. This is so hard. I think I only have one or two left to do to find us a live.

1:39:08 space. We will do real American voice. Let's see if we can get this done so we can fill our quotas. Why does it keep, my sound is on. I don't want to hear myself talk. All right, there we go.

1:39:48 Okay, countdown done. All right, we're clear. You guys take care.

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“in Haiti, and they used Intrabank as that bank has came up several times as part of their financing. Late in the evening on 29 February 1972, the 60-ton shrimp boat Caprice de Thames sailed out of a h…”

Marcel Bucan member_of Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 22:48

“The ship was registered in Guadalupe. Its skipper was a former parachutist, Marcel Bucan. And my research indicated that he was part of the 11th Shock Group parachute guys, which was part of Gladio. H…”

Joe Cesari did_business_with George Albertini book_quoted ▶ 28:38

“he apprenticed himself to his half-brother, Albertini, who was the manager of one of the heroin labs. In 62, Cesare purchased a luxurious estate. It was a mansion that had its own park, swimming pool,…”

Marcel Francisi did_business_with Joe Cesari book_quoted ▶ 29:41

“the nephew of Marcel Francisi. Months earlier, the boy's father, on an unannounced trip back to Corsica, had discovered his wife with a lover, whom he proceeded to shoot through the throat before retu…”

Christian David did_business_with Lucien Sarte book_quoted ▶ 33:04

“the heroin trade exclusively, out with the Corsican Mafia. All right, chapter 11, the capture of Christian David in Brazil. Auguste Record, March 71, imprisonment in Paraguay, taught Christian David a…”

Christian David did_business_with Dominique Orsini book_quoted ▶ 34:08

“Sarté's Brazilian mistress. Christian David was by then an undisputed boss of the Brazilian connection. Its other leaders were Sarté, Mikel Nicolai, Francesca Canazzi, and a whole bunch of other Frenc…”

Christian David did_business_with Michel Nicolai book_quoted ▶ 34:08

Christian David did_business_with Francesca Canazzi book_quoted ▶ 34:08

Tommaso Braschetta did_business_with Christian David book_quoted ▶ 37:18

“bruschetta decided the hour had arrived to move in on the narcotics business in southern south america he had not reckoned with christian david following an extended struggle that ended with david sti…”

Christian David member_of Argentine Anti-Communist Alliance book_quoted ▶ 37:47

“and two other guys. Life, though, was not all hard work for David and company. They also had a vibrant nightlife. They threw lavish parties. They mixed with film stars, singers, and international cele…”

Christian David member_of Operation Condor book_quoted ▶ 38:17

“in argentina the operation condor version of gladio he remained on good fitting footing with the brazilian death squad operation condor version of gladio at the same time sac agents from david's past …”

Lucien Sarte did_business_with Carlo Zippo book_quoted ▶ 39:57

“The arrest of several dealers left the Brazilian connection short of customers. In February of 72, shortly before Carnivali in Rio, David Sarte and Buscata and Nicolai spent three days with Carlo Zipp…”

Ilich Ramírez Sánchez carried_out_attack Mexico documented ▶ 40:53

“Sarte had no notion that the police had been tailing him ever since his entry into Mexico. Somebody had tipped them off. Imagine that. The Guatemalan authorities were after him for an armed attack on …”

Mexico assassinated Ilich Ramírez Sánchez documented ▶ 41:21

“Sarte and his wife left their hideout to go to the movies. Before they got to their car, they were surrounded by police. Sarte was unarmed, but the police shot and killed him and arrested his wife. Th…”

Christian David spied_on Fernand Legros host_asserted ▶ 43:35

“David's gang. Besides entertaining the police with stories of the gang's escapades, she also claimed they met frequently with the French millionaire playboy, Legros, except he's CIA. Whether because o…”

Christian David exposed Ben Barka Affair documented ▶ 47:56

“Many were dumbfounded when Brazil extradited David to the U.S. without even notifying France. Before extradition to the U.S., however, he shocked the world by admitting his complicity in the Ben Berka…”

Christian David member_of Italian Mafia host_asserted ▶ 48:59

“Today, I can't afford a lawyer. Whiny-ass crybaby story. David and Mikkel Nikolai, who, with Claude-Andre Pasto, had been extradited to the U.S. before David, each claimed they had been hung head down…”

Claude Andre Pasto exposed Deloitte affair documented ▶ 50:33

“had gotten 27 years. Wonder if his prison in the U.S. was going to be as nice as his prison in Latin America, where he got food from his local restaurant. I'm going to go ahead and probably say no. Da…”

Henry Kissinger pardoned Fernand Legros documented ▶ 53:02

“Kissinger personally demanded his release, protesting sharply about the kidnapping of a U.S. citizen. Legros still fears for his life. As recently as the spring of 1976, a nervous Legros surrounded by…”

Italian Mafia trafficked United States host_asserted ▶ 57:47

“this functioning heroin network out of, and they use the mafia inside of the United States as the network for the distribution, you know, because this is before we have the Cuban exiles, which basical…”

Robert Vesco did_business_with Bernie Kornfeld host_asserted ▶ 1:03:31

“corporations i mean i'm sure you've read it it's um it's the same guy who wrote secret agenda um then i think the in my opinion best still best book on water beach but it's still escaping me but anywa…”

Reinhard Gehlen headed West Germany host_asserted ▶ 1:21:28

“It was the OSS that set up the rat lines to save most of them and put them in Italy, put them in Spain, Otto Skorzeny, Reinhard Galen, set them up as the chief intelligence officer of the soon-to-be W…”

Office of Strategic Services covered_up Reinhard Gehlen host_asserted ▶ 1:21:28

Office of Strategic Services covered_up Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 1:21:28

Operation Gladio operated_in Europe host_asserted ▶ 1:22:26

“and under the guise of setting up the this capability as a quote-unquote anti-communist um capability when in fact the gladio stay behind units was always to create destabilization action units for th…”

Operation Gladio operated_in United States host_asserted ▶ 1:22:26

Lyman Lemnitzer proposed Operation Northwoods host_asserted ▶ 1:22:51

“And the smoking gun in the United States is Operation Northwood that was written by Lyman Lemitsker while he was the chief of staff as a four-star general to use Cuban exiles to assassinate Americans …”

William Bullitt operated_in Indonesia host_asserted ▶ 1:27:10

“He didn't get in until the very end. He was in training, and then he had mop-up duty for like two years. He didn't get into combat, but he served on a destroyer to like 48. Then he went to college in …”

Allen Dulles appointed William Bullitt host_asserted ▶ 1:27:40

“God, you just said his name and I forgot it. Not Donovan, the other guy that was in charge. Alan Dulles? Dulles, yeah. He thought it was Nixon and I thought it was Nixon. Oh, he got a medal from Nixon…”

Office of Current Intelligence did_business_with Meyer Lansky host_asserted ▶ 1:38:04

“The Office of Naval Intelligence is the ones that was working with Meyer Lansky in World War II. These things have been done before we ever had a CIA. We have had covert intelligence collection before…”