The Colonel's Corner Safe For Democracy Part 52 (54)

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0:04 okay let me get back over here on rumble get the audio and video going all right i tried throwing sr the co-host bridget um but it was declined so he must be busy right now i guess yes okay you today how was your craft festival that i am so freaking jealous about

0:33 Mayfair on the lake. It was awesome. Found a real cool driftwood thing that has air plants in it for John's mom for Mother's Day. Walked around the lake with my son-in-law and my grandbaby. It was heaven on earth. Looking at all the people and the families and all the crafts. And you really can't even call them crafts. They're art.

1:02 Most of it is, you know, oil paintings. And obviously a lot of it has to do with, you know, kind of beachy theme. So it's just very invigorating. And it's around the lake with all the swans. So there's a whole bunch of swans around. You can't go wrong. All right. We probably got two more shows of this book. This chapter and one more.

1:30 I will sum up what's in that last chapter at the end of probably tomorrow's show. This chapter that we're going to start on today is the last substantive chapter. It's called Struggle for Control. And the reason why this one is important is because it's focused on Yugoslavia. And obviously we've talked in the past a lot about it.

1:58 But it's interesting, the information that the author, John Prados, provides from a kind of behind-the-scenes look. Okay, so obviously we're in the transition of President Bush Sr. transitioning to Clinton. And of course, as we've known,

2:27 these things kind of go over the change of administrations. So where to begin? Yugoslavia has a very interesting past for those of you who don't know it. It was kind of the borders post-World War II were created and it actually World War I, sorry.

2:58 And it had to do with the portions of what was previously the Habsburg and the Ottoman Empire and the Serbian monarchy. Yugoslavia had become another one of those entities that had a lot of different ethnic.

3:29 backgrounds, not culturally cohesive. And we've noticed that this is a pattern because these people that create these nation states at these conferences or quote unquote peace treaties have a history of creating these entities so that they can provoke future confrontations. So

3:57 Yugoslavia had been held together by a combination of monarch power and opposition to Italian encroachment. In the Cold War, Yugoslavia had Joseph Tito and his national communism as basically the guy in charge. Bosnian Muslims.

4:29 long the disadvantaged population began to gain status during the Tito period. Fear and envy of Muslims certainly figured into the Serbian attitudes. And again, this is just the author's perspective on this. The forces in play by the end of the Cold War divided Yugoslavia initially into two states, Serbia and Bosnia.

5:01 that confederation fractured into three mini states. An entity composed of Bosnian Muslims, a Croatian state, and Serbia. There were rivalries. There were accusations of ethnic cleansing. These, obviously, were the focus of NATO's efforts there.

5:35 NATO had a lot to do with the aggravation of those cultural differences. The first Bush administration backed international efforts to suppress the conflict by means of a UN arms embargo. Toward the end of 91, a ceasefire and negotiation framework were put in place in conjunction with the UN Peace Force. These were basically ineffective.

6:07 The lightly armed UN protection force with virtually no authority watched in horror as Bosnian Serbs and Muslims fought each other. The Serbian Republic was accused of arming Bosnian Serb forces, even providing cadre of instructors and intelligence support. In a Bosnian Serb

6:39 attack on Sarajevo in 1992, many were killed. During the U.S. election campaign, candidate Bill Clinton spoke of lifting the arms embargo. Once Clinton was president, he needed to deliver on that promise. Clinton's policy began with lift and strike, which was shorthand for an approach that would end the arms embargo.

7:09 enabling Muslim forces to catch up in armaments while the U.S. used the power of aerial bombardment to coerce Bosnian Serbs into observing ceasefire zones. President Clinton found little international support for lifting the arms embargo, though he obtained some backing for the strike policy. Because you can always find neocons everywhere.

7:36 The British and German approval imposed many conditions on the airstrikes under the guise of NATO. Approved both by NATO member states and the UN, it was a cumbersome procedure. Nancy Soderbergh, Clinton's national security staff executive secretary, accompanied the president on a political trip in May of 93, shortly after the U.S. failed.

8:08 initial attempt to persuade the Europeans to back his lift and strike policy. Soderbergh provides an account of discussions aboard Air Force One during the trip, where Clinton observed the top diplomat Warren Christopher should not give up. Soderbergh advised Clinton he might get better results if he himself did some of the pushing. Convinced it was necessary to lift the arms embargo, Clinton fired up when British

8:38 Leaders indicated that they might go for the strike, but not the lift part. Clinton's national security advisor was Anthony Lake. He was on board. He publicly advocated for the lift and strike policy. In the administration, Soderbergh watched with increasing appreciation as Lake maneuvered the bureaucracy. The government had never resolved to put its own forces at risk in Bosnia, failing.

9:13 which it became difficult to ask others to do the same. That summer, Clinton directed Lake to reexamine all options. The security advisor responded in July, asking the Pentagon how many U.S. troops would be necessary to end the siege in Sarajevo. Typically, the military generated plans for huge deployments. Even after Lake visited the Defense Department, the military still wanted 25,000 troops.

9:44 With opinion polls running against American participation in the UN force and even more opposed to airstrikes, Lake wanted to coerce the Bosnian Serbs into freeing Sarajevo and other enclaves and thought air power could do the job. Clinton insisted that the Muslims be able to choose whether to resist the Bosnian Serbs and meant the end of the embargo.

10:10 Congress, too, pressured for an end while simultaneously opposing any commitment of U.S. forces. The CIA reported in the fall of 93 that the Muslims were hard-pressed and that tens of thousands might not survive the winter, setting up the classic crisis scenario. In September, the Bosnian Muslim president addressed a plea to the U.N.

10:39 to back the lift and strike policy. Then met with President Clinton to urge Congress to approve U.S. troops to guarantee a U.N. enforcement operation. House members of the International Relations Committee warned the president not to expect troops. Meanwhile, the Bosnian Muslims sought to evade the embargo. Early in 93, Croatian troops

11:08 had seized a shipment of arms on an Iranian aircraft, early evidence that the Ayatollahs had pitched in to help their Islamic brothers. The traffic continued and broadened, with only occasional surface blips of incidents alerting the world to its existence. Eventually, many nations would be identified as coming to the Bosnian Muslim assistance, including Saudi Arabia, which pitched in $300 million.

11:38 and also, behind the scenes, the CIA. These countries bought weapons from Malaysia, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and others. Turkey is often pictured as having organized and served as a conduit for this traffic. Bosnian Serbs received outside help too, most importantly from the Serb Republic, but also from Greece and Israel.

12:09 The question of arms flows brought the CIA. Diplomacy still advanced at a glacial pace. The EU made new peace proposals, newly confident with their weapons and arms deals. The Bosnian Muslims rejected them. A few months later, the Croatians halted more shipments and began fighting the Muslims. Washington hammered out a federation deal between

12:38 the Croatians, and Muslims. Muslim forces remained hard-pressed fighting Bosnian Serbs covertly backed by Serbian Republic troops. Peter Galbraith, who was the U.S. ambassador to Croatia, later said, quote, the Bosnian people left unarmed against the Serbian aggressors had barely survived the winter. Washington did not lack for suggestions on actions.

13:12 At the very onset, the Clinton administration diplomat Richard Holbrooks had written a paper identifying Bosnia as a key test for America's European policy, recognizing the arm flows and recommending that we allow covert supply of arms to the Bosnian Muslims so that Bosnia outside support no longer comes solely from Islamic nations. A few months later, George Kenney,

13:42 public publicized a menu of options which included sending western troops to enforce designated safe havens in bosnia initiating covert actions against milosevic who was head of the serbian republic in late 93 and 94 u.s government officials in croatia likely ambassador galbraith expressed interest in covert operations telling the croatians the u.s would look

14:11 at other ways to arm the Muslims. Galbraith expected Iran to be the supplier. The Directorate of Operations under Tom Twitton opposed the operation, according to a later Senate Intelligence Committee investigation, falsely informing State Department that a prohibition existed. Any proposal would need to come from the NSC or the president.

14:40 Policy concerns were attached and hiding the U.S. hand would place it squarely in the arena of covert operations, which required a presidential finding. By spring of 1994, Congress had legislation on the platter directing the Clinton administration to lift the arms embargo. In connection with Jean Kirkpatrick and Morton Abramovich published a

15:06 Paper arguing that America, having just presided over the creation of a new Bosnian federation, would be participating in its destruction if the embargo was left in place. Notice how they just kind of couched themselves right into the operation. Behind the scenes, a stream of cables and telephone calls from Peter Galbraith and the administration special envoy in Bosnia, Charles Redman.

15:35 warned the Croatian leaders would likely raise the issue of arms flows. Croatian President Trudsman indeed went to Galbraith to ask what the U.S. response would be if he opened supply lines to the Muslims, more or less in defiance of the embargo. Galbraith promptly asked Washington how to respond. At the moment, Secretary of State Warren Christopher was absent on a diplomatic trip.

16:04 So the question went to Strobe Talbot. Yeah, Strobe Talbot. The later held discussions at the State Department then consulted Christopher and security advisor Tony Lake. Talbot cited Galbraith as thinking the U.S. should show at least a yellow light on arms. Since a conversation with the president was vital under the circumstances, Talbot, a good friend and graduate school roommate of Clinton's,

16:36 At Oxford, when he was on his Rhodes Scholarship, was the guy chosen to ask. President Clinton was leaving for California for the funeral of former President Richard Nixon. Lake invited Talbot to return aboard Air Force One. There, the two officials engaged the president on Bosnia. Clinton agreed to de facto lifting the embargo by ignoring violations.

17:04 Galbraith was to inform the Croats that he had no instructions, making him fear an attempt to sidestep the issue. He and Redmond telephoned on April 29th. Lake's assistant, Jane Watson, took their call. Quote, your instructions are to say you have no instructions, unquote. When Tony passed the instructions on, he did it with a smile. This is the way your government ran.

17:37 Deputy Secretary Talbot later characterized the orders as clear and tart, and the ambassador executed them, except there literally was no orders. It was a wink and a nod. After checking with the NSC, Galbraith added that the Croatian should pay attention to what he had not said. He had not said no.

18:13 Trudsman's vice president clarified the U.S. position by emphasizing that Clinton did not wish to be put in a position to say yes or no. Isn't that a great way to run foreign policy? On May 2nd, Tony Lake, trying to keep this entire matter off the books, does that sound familiar? Told Redmond, the U.S. embassy in Zagreb, need not file any cables. Don't communicate over.

18:44 the encrypted State Department system on any of this. A couple of days later, Tolbert muddied the waters, instructing Goldberg to file after all. When CIA Director Woolsey learned of this from his station chief in Zagreb, he hit the roof, taking his beef to the White House. The ploy looked just like a covert action previously rejected. Tolbert explained that

19:12 what had happened without giving any indication that Clinton had made a decision. Within a week, the U.S. Senate passed two amendments, which, though mutually contradictory, of course, clearly signaled its preference to lift the embargo. During the summer, Senate passed further legislation ordering the president to lift the embargo by November 15th. There were fresh reports of arms traffic.

19:42 At the end of July, Richard Holbrooke took over as Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs and promptly tried to implement the actions suggested in his transition paper. Holbrooke put together a plan to give Bosnian Muslims as much as $50 million in arms, covertly, checking with State Department lawyers that it was legal. As already true of the arms flows to the Muslims.

20:17 The weapons would be solicited from third-party countries. Just weeks later, General Wesley Clark, newly appointed plans and policy director for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visited the region in at least two different conversations, including one with President Isbik Govic.

20:46 Clark spoke of arms and implications of lifting the embargo. General Clark once mentioned potential U.S. willingness to encourage third party countries to supply the arms, which, by the way, is already going on. These remarks have been characterized as hypothetical because, again, they don't want any of this in writing. Then Ambassador Goldbreth went to a CIA station chief.

21:16 in Zagreb and asked for $250 million in weapons. Developments convinced the station chief that nefarious schemes were afoot. In reports on the arms traffic, he began feeding Langley information on Holbrook's activities. A foot-high stack of CIA cables accumulated from this exchange. The DO, now under Ted Price, opposed Holbrook's plan.

21:45 Price warned the CIA director that a covert arms channel would be costly and inevitably found out. Jim Wolseley, reading the feed from Zagreb, his link to Lake was very tenuous, feared the extent to which the NSC contemplated a covert operation and the connection between Holbrook's plan and Clark's conversation.

22:09 In October 94, Woolsey again complained about the Bosnia policy. The CIA doubts contributed directly to rejection of the Holbrooke plan by Lake and Secretary Christopher in early November. The National Security Advisor went beyond simply rejecting Holbrooke's plan. He asked Anthony Harrington, head of Clinton's Intelligence Oversight Board, to investigate whether improper activity had taken place.

22:37 There were three other board members, former NSA official Anne Caracristi and General Lou Allen and Harold Pote. The Intelligence Oversight Board began its inquiry in December and by May of 95 produced a report that found, guess it, no wrongdoing. Only regular diplomatic activity had occurred.

23:09 Of course, poor relations were the very essence of Jim Woolsey's association with the White House. But by the time the report emerged, Woolsey was gone. John Deutch now manned Langley, where Anthony Lake and the NSC staff had perhaps been too busy for Woolsey. With the advent of Deutch, their reluctance to deal with the CIA director was gone.

23:39 With the issuance of the report on U.S. diplomatic maneuvers around Bosnia's arms traffic, the situation in that unhappy country appeared more intractable than ever. A ceasefire had ended in April of 95. Serbs were shelling safe havens as well as Tosla, where observers had spotted many quote-unquote black flights.

24:07 meaning covert arms delivery. The siege of Sarajevo had entered a third year, longer than the siege of Leningrad during World War II. The UN commander at Sarajevo issued an ultimatum to the Bosnian Serbs to withdraw their artillery from an exclusive zone around the city and return weapons they had taken from all of the different areas. He then

24:37 made a very bold call, and asked for NATO airstrikes. In response, the Serbians took hostage almost 400 UN peacekeepers. President Clinton then scheduled an NSC meeting for Memorial Day weekend on Memorial Day. The entire national security leadership, except Richard Holbrooks, who was at his own wedding, went into continuous session.

25:11 The Clinton arrangement for covert operations provided the projects he assembled by a covert action planning group within the Directorate of Operations of the CIA. They were going to be vetted by a covert actions review group, then be distributed to a wider bureaucracy at the NSC. Then they would have the normal NSC meetings.

25:38 Officers at Langley saw Director Deutsch and his new deputy for military support, Vice Admiral Dennis Blair, as involving the CIA in something they knew very little about. A more charitable interpretation might be that the State Department and Pentagon, having taken the lead on covert planning for Bosnia in 93 and 94, were still ahead, and Deutsch and Blair just arrived from the Pentagon. They were content to let the military stand out.

26:08 In any event, the notion of, quote, overt covert operations widened the scope of military participation. Conferences over the weekend brainstormed a covert project that the CIA, working openly with the military to arm Bosnian Muslims and to train their fighters. Agency officer William Daughtery staggered at the price tag.

26:40 finally, would not be Clinton's solution. He resorted to bombing, an operation called deliberate force. Combined with U.S. mediation by Richard Holbrook, that broker to peace deal signed at Dayton, Ohio, towards the end of 1995, the arms embargo was lifted. President Clinton began a regular U.S. military aid program.

27:07 And a fresh 60,000 soldier NATO force with substantial US contingent went to Bosnia. But John Deutch stance during the deliberations were seen at Langley as inept. Let me tell you about this peace accord. So the Clinton administration, I was in the DC area when this was going on. Most of what...

27:41 We just talked about, I came to the Pentagon in 95. So during that last part of it and my first part at the Pentagon, my ex had been at the Pentagon for two years from 93 until we left in 99. He worked in the SecDef's office. So anytime that you had dignitaries flying, the command communication for them,

28:12 was in the SECDEF's communication area. So even when the state departments flew, all of their communications came through the Department of Defense. At least it did then. I don't know what the setup is now. So Holbrook went over there a couple of times and didn't get the peace deal. Like the third time he went over there, they were desperate.

28:45 and they didn't get the peace deal initially. So he gets on an airplane and heads back to the U.S. Now, they don't have a tracker on, because this was all being done on the down low. And so no one, except for a few select people, knew exactly where they were at, one of them being the comm people at the SecDef's office.

29:11 There was an urgent phone call put through from the station in the former Yugoslavia to the State Department that after Holbrooke had left, got on his airplane, took off, that they had finally got a consensus and were willing to sign the peace agreement. So Holbrooke's flying home. Nobody can get a hold of him. So State Department calls over to...

29:40 the SECDEF's comm people desperate to try to get a hold of the aircraft. So my ex just happened to be on duty that night and was able to communicate both with Ramstein and a couple of bases in the UK where they were able to contact the aircraft and have it turn around. Now there wasn't any...

30:10 refueling. They did eventually plan to get fuel, and I believe that was at Ramstein, and then fly back into the Sarajevo area to sign the tentative agreement. And then the formal agreement happened, as the book just indicated, at Dayton, Ohio, which is basically Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. So, very interesting. Okay.

30:41 Technical intelligence collections remain Director Deutsch's strong suit. His relationship with the DO went from bad to worse. He only really wanted to focus on actually gathering intelligence as opposed to covert operations, and we know that's not good inside CIA. Deutsch had came to Langley from the Intelligence Oversight Board that had just been actively investigating Bosnia.

31:09 The Iraq project had gone up in smoke, making Robert Baer the top target of a Justice Department inquiry. The month earlier, there was a major flap that had begun in Paris with the French accusing the CIA of economic spying against them, demanding the recall of the renowned DO officer, Richard Holm, and several of his subordinates, Inspector General Frederick Height.

31:38 investigated that too. John Deutch had played to Congress, talking of how he could keep the legislators closely involved and bring a new level of accountability to the CIA. Meanwhile, a fresh confrontation with the Directorate of Operations was festering in Latin America, specifically in Guatemala, where the old Eisenhower-era covert victory success had turned to ashes.

32:07 In a years-long civil war, Guatemalan forces had fought, quote-unquote, guerrillas, descending to wholesale eradication of indigenous Indian villages. Tens of thousands were killed. In 92, a guerrilla leader, and again, that's in air quotes, because there's still a CIA-owned leader in Guatemala from 1954.

32:38 One of the leaders had disappeared. He was married to an American, Jennifer Harbury. He was tortured and died under interrogation. Within days of his disappearance, the CIA station had reported it, plus the expectation that his death would be falsified. Harbury mounted a campaign to obtain justice, not only from the Guatemalans, but

33:10 for the U.S. government to acknowledge its own involvement. Under the glare of media lights, it gradually emerged that a number of Americans, a dozen by official counts, had disappeared in Guatemala since 1984. Stung by the reports of human rights violations, Harbury made a very public hunger strike on March 30, 1995. Clinton ordered his Intelligence Oversight Board to look into it.

33:39 By the 90s, the principal value of CIA operations in Guatemala was its quote-unquote war on drugs, which we know isn't a war on drugs. It's a war to control drugs. Almost 50 tons of cocaine had been quote-unquote seized and traffickers were basically running the place. The CIA had security links giving the Guatemalan services.

34:07 $3.5 million a year of your money. Assets included many of those involved in the Guatemalan internal war because they're being trained by the CIA. The open question were the degree to which the quote unquote drug war had compromised human rights. Totally is the answer to that. Langley had had human rights directives on the books since the Nicaraguan war.

34:37 In 1989, these had been strengthened to link and linked to assassination bans with CIA regulations, which we know they just pay third party. A year later, the DO's Latin American reconfirmed the importance of human rights. At the time, the Guatemalans had a priority second only to El Salvador, where they had set up death squads under the...

35:09 not banner of human rights. Terry Ward had been the station chief in Honduras at the height of the Contra War and could not have been unaware of this. But the Guatemalan station delayed its review for almost a year and then never completed it. How could you? Because you're going to find your own hand in it. The station changed hands, as did the division. Ward left to become the head man in Switzerland.

35:41 In September 1994, his successor renewed orders for a review. The station terminated all but one delinquent agent early in 95. He would soon be let go too. When John Deutsch arrived, the problem of tainted agents was presumably being cleaned up, except that it hadn't been.

36:09 As the Oversight Board would establish, until late 1994, the division never followed up on its orders for reviews, and the CIA semi-annual reports to Congress on human rights violation basically was a whitewash job. They were very aware of several violations, while one agent's participation in murder went unreported. No CIA officer saw the agent as a problem.

36:39 until people started asking questions. Key allegations meriting briefing to Congress were not mentioned. As the media continued probing allegations of abuse, fresh fish were added to the stew. In September 95, the Oversight Board issued a preliminary report on CIA information to Congress while the agency's IG completed his own investigation. Director Deutch

37:07 acted even though the Oversight Board investigation was still going on. Recalled from Switzerland, Terry Ward was retired, as was Fred Brugger. The station chief judged to have withheld the data. While already retired, Deputy Director for Operations Thomas Twitten received a letter from Deutsch expressing concern over his lax management. Another officer was demoted. In all, eight had received reprimands.

37:38 The director of operations was in revolt. Many could not stomach dismissals on the basis of lack of candor. So the DO does not believe that lying is a reason to be fired because isn't that what our whole job is, to lie? How can that be cause for firing now? Deutsch called together agency personnel.

38:07 in an auditorium to announce his September 29th decisions. The day Ward and Brugger were fired, CIA agents lined the hallways at Langley to shake their hands. Officers ignored orders to disperse. It became a protest demonstration in the quarters inside of the CIA. After four hours, security guards came to escort them out of the building.

38:36 The clandestine service thought Ward and his colleague had been fired in the line of duty. A few years later, with a new director at the helm, Ward was called back and presented a medal. Just can't make this shit up. Probably the more important outcome would be the guidelines of agent recruitment for the CIA that was issued after this affair. These strengthened.

39:08 focuses on what exactly is a human right and what you can expect if you violate them. I don't think they paid any attention to it, but whatever. This, of course, is going to be used as an excuse leading into 9-11 that the CIA just failed because they had their hands tied. Whatever. These events taught operation officers that

39:47 Deutch did not support the troops in the field doing whatever they wanted. They obviously didn't like it. Deutch said his approach was risk management, a term that could have come right out of a cybernetic theory, but that really meant arranging approvals so as to spread the blame. On management issues, Deutch

40:19 wrestled more feathers. He wanted his own man as his deputy. At the time, Jack Devine, serving as the deputy director, had a past association with Woolsey. The DO's favorite, Jack Downing, basically the classic covert operator, was the only officer who had headed stations in both Moscow and Beijing and had been the east

40:49 Asia officer in charge. Devine, the Latin American expert, could have been the deputy DO himself. Deutch passed over both to select David Cohen, a career CIA analyst, not agent, who only experienced in operations had been a brief tour as the head of the Office of Domestic Resources, meaning us.

41:21 Deutsch brought in Nora Slatkin with him from the Pentagon as executive director. And remember, that's the gatekeeper job. It's like the number three. She's like the chief of staff of the front office. She was considered not that great on intelligence and definitely beholden to her boss, who she had followed around for a little bit.

41:58 The DO employed a special assistant just to keep track of her movements within the building and warn people when she was coming. Among the bloating that went on during this period, Slack can replace the three-person unit supporting the executive director on covert action approvals with a staff of 12. Three to 12.

42:26 The covert action review group became just one of many reforms for Deutsch pulled out all stops. He wanted officer participation and many became involved. The agency had prided itself on not being like heavy at the top. That was gone. One promise he delivered on would be improving the CIA's relationship with Congress. Here, he had a major assist from George Tenet.

42:59 who had came from the NSC staff where he had been the top man for intelligence. Tenet has been a decade on Capitol Hill, mostly as a staff member at the Senate Intelligence Committee. A couple of years earlier, Woolsey had favored shutting CIA stations down in Africa. Deutch talked of closing down much of the DO empire.

43:27 preserving just major stations in favor of technical collections that would presumably make up the gaps. That changed. In April of 96, Deutch refused to promise Senate overseers that the CIA would refrain from using journalists. By summer, he spoke in Clinton's counsel in favor of restructuring the remaining elements of the Iraqi covert project.

43:52 In September, Deutsch began saying in speeches that he intended to increase CIA personnel assigned abroad, recruit more agents, and he favored more covert operations. What made him turn around? That November, Deutsch flew to LA for an unprecedented appearance at a town hall to defend the covert operations that had been going on with the CIA in the drug trafficking.

44:23 into LA. Having famously said that the CIA officers were not as competent as the staffers he had known at the Pentagon, Deutsch also went on to say, I fired a lot of people. I certainly could have fired more. After a while, you have to ask, what are you accomplishing amid all the angst? And oh, by the way, that appearance, there's a video of his appearance out in LA.

44:54 when he was confronted. It's a hilarious video. Amid all the angst, the CIA operations had to go on, the most important remaining in Bosnia. Agency planners discovered that they had just four officers who spoke Croatian. H.K. Roy was one of them. Roy had been there in Belgrade when Yugoslavia fell apart.

45:25 He had covered Kosovo and had done an earlier mission in Bosnia. He had learned of the Lake Galbraith arms ploy only a few months after it took place. In mid-95, the DO selected him for Sarajevo station chief job. The station, however, consisted of just one communications officer, a man who had been in on the chaos. Roy helped pinpoint.

45:55 Serbian gun positions that would be destroyed during Operation Deliberate Force. And he reported on the massacre at several different locations. When Roy discovered the downside of the Iranian arms traffic, the Iranian-controlled Bosnian Interior Ministry, he learned Iranian agents planned to kidnap him.

46:25 At one point, the situation was so stressful that Roy made his own radio man promise to shoot him if they were about to be captured. Roy had to sign a waiver indemnifying the CIA in case he were disfigured on the mission. Weird.

46:51 Both Roy and his assistant realized that if the eventuality arose, his comrade would have to convince agency lawyers the killing of a station chief was in his own best interest. The Clinton administration eventually demanded and received the dismissal of the offending pro-Iranian minister as a condition of military aid. Roy was not the only exfiltration. Admiral Blair outraged the DO when he

47:21 talked of agency sources to reporters, compromising several agents who then had to be moved to safety. Some CIA people also had to be redeployed. The cost was reportedly in the millions of dollars. It is also said that a woman officer died in the line of duty in Bosnia. Center Stage now went to support for military operations. It's a contingency operation like Somalia or Haiti.

47:51 and now Bosnia, where the major form of U.S. military is the U.S. military. Admiral Blair presided over formations of the naval intelligence support teams in tandem with Clinton's dispatch of expeditionary forces. In January of 96, the mission went into high gear.

48:15 It included CIA operatives and analysts, military people from the Defense Human Intelligence Service and DIA, NSA cryptologists, and communicators. Support included U-2 detachment flying that launched from southern France, early use of computer terrain modeling, and the first use of unmanned aerial vehicles known as the Predator.

48:42 The initial deployment was handled by CIA teams of 15 under a junior officer. By all accounts, the predator did splendidly. When the military tried the same thing, they needed a unit of 200 airmen headed by a colonel. That's bullshit. Let me just tell you why that's bullshit. The CIA doesn't maintain their own predators. They either contract the...

49:10 tail end of the predator, or the military does it for them, like with the U-2. That's just blatant bullshit. The intelligence support team worked in Bosnia for a long time. Some variant of it continued for decades. New intelligence teams became necessary in 99 when Clinton moved on to confront the Serbian Republic directly in the Kosovo War.

49:41 The highlight there, corrupt location data that led to the U.S. Air Force bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, naturally made a matter of dispute. In November of 96, John Deutch resigned. Following the tradition of allowing the incoming president, Bill Clinton, returning for a second term to choose his senior official, he hoped to go to, let's see, instead.

50:12 Deutsch had wanted to leave and go to the Pentagon, but Clinton didn't want it. In Clinton's memoir, he says that he, quote unquote, hated to lose Deutsch, but there's no evidence exist that validates that. I think they were all glad he was gone. By then, there was so much bad blood that when the computers at Deutsch's home were found,

50:44 To contain unprotected classified information, the CIA security officers was ready to throw the book at him. Deutsch lost his CIA and his Pentagon clearances and finally avoided criminal prosecution only because of a presidential pardon. Norris Lackton and five others were reprimanded for their handling of security documents.

51:09 Capitol Hill watched all of this very closely. In fact, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence held four hearings before October of 96, just on the question of intelligence for Bosnia. That would only be one probe. Congress worked on intelligence reform legislation. It put into the CIA budget authorizations. Other areas of inquiry included examining the CIA's role in the Gulf War.

51:40 And exposing U.S. troops to potential toxic chemicals. Unfortunately, I know too much about that as well. And the CIA's use of journalists. Allegations of a CIA connection to the Contra drug trafficking connection. They ran the entire fucking thing. The claims upon the U.S. government by Southern Vietnamese commandos who had fought for the CIA.

52:10 the issue in Guatemala, intelligence for law enforcement, information security, and the IG office. Supposedly, this was all addressed. The Senate Intelligence Committee also investigated terrorism issues, including the June 96 bombing of Khobar Towers. Counterintelligence continued to be a concern. Not only did the Aldridge Ames case still make waves,

52:38 In November of 96, on Deutsch's watch, the FBI arrested a counterintelligence officer, Harold Nicholson, who pleaded guilty to spying for the Russians. In the time Dick Helms sat at the desk as CIA director, months worth of CIA contacts with Congress could be listed in a double-spaced typeset. That had not been the whole story, of course. There were numbers of chats on the phone, talks at parties, blah, blah, blah.

53:11 But the 1990s contacts with Congress were substantially higher. And that was just the official ones. Langley seriously discussed creating a regular intelligence periodical for Congress. Between January 95 and 96, the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence received no fewer than 436 notifications of intelligence activities.

53:36 not because so many covert operations were underway, but because notification requirements had expanded. By far, the key oversight action of this period with respect to covert operations was a series of inquiries into the Bosnian arms trafficking. On April 5th, the LA Times began publishing a series of articles revealing that Lake and Galbraith maneuvers with their no instruction camouflage.

54:04 No fewer than six congressional committees took this up in the House of Representatives, which had shifted to Republican control in the previous election. The incident offered an opportunity to settle some scores. The House International Relations Committee created a subcommittee and spent a million dollars on that inquiry alone. The Senate Select Committee for Intelligence developed an identical information and reached the same conclusion after an investigation.

54:35 These were the most important of the congressional probes into the Bosnian affair. Yet aside from generating heat and a huge report, nothing happened, which is par for the course. For the purposes of the Senate Intelligence Committee inquiry, it remained relevant because it was completed and reported on November 7th, 1996, which was still on Deutsche's watch.

55:05 And because President Clinton shortly thereafter nominated Anthony Lake as the CIA director in his place, the Senate would have to confirm Lake. And the Intelligence Committee had jurisdiction. Here lay the ground on which the latest round of executive struggles for control was going to be fought out. Press accounts pictured the Clinton White House as evading the UN embargo in league with Iranian Ayatollahs.

55:35 Congress inevitably wanted to sink its teeth into that. Nevermind that the Senate had pressured Clinton to lift the embargo, passing some of the legislation at the very moment that Lake and Galbraith was making their plans. Or that a few months later, legislatures actually moved to prohibit Clinton from enforcing it. The Senate Committee on Intelligence had several public hearings to question Galbraith, Charles Redmond, strobe Talbot,

56:05 and Richard Holbrook. Four more closed sessions were held. Witnesses included John Deutch, Jim Woolsey, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the SECDEF, State and Defense Department lawyers. Tony Lake appeared before an informal hearing, putting another crack in the dike presidents traditionally used to wall off the national security advisors from congressional scrutiny. Everyone insisted the Bosnia initiative had been a diplomatic maneuver.

56:33 That impression of a covert operations were mistaken and that planning had never led to operations. The senators eventually accepted this view. The Senate committee report argued that the administration would have been better off to inform participants of what they were doing. And the report especially singled out a lack of notification to Congress. That led right back to the debate over the current reporting of covert operations that had gone on for decades. The Senate committee.

57:05 also resurrected the issue of third-party operations and the responsibility of notifications that that was happening. Iran and others helping arm the Bosnian Muslims obviously fell under that third-country provision. President Clinton's nomination of Tony Lake as CIA director afforded the Senate an instant opportunity to press its concerns. John Deutch introduced Lake to the CIA personnel and gave him a hug.

57:35 at an event, but that counted for little on the Hill. Not surprisingly, in phone calls and informal meetings, a nominee typically has before appearing, late told senators that the administration had erred in not informing Congress of the Bosnia employee. He promised better. Doesn't mean he'll do it because he'll say anything.

57:59 The senators had other concerns about Anthony Lake too. Some of them responded to Langley's doubts, given that Lake seemed to have had little time for the CIA during his White House years. Lake mobilized support to counter such complaints. An anonymous senior intelligence official told the New York Times, quote, my experience with Tony Lake regarding secret operations, clandestine operations, and the clandestine...

58:27 clandestine service has been absolutely outstanding. I could not ask for better support. With respect to covert action programs, he's helped us focus on the right things. That's had a dramatic and positive effect on my officer core, unquote. That would have been news to everybody in the CIA.

58:56 That takes us up. We're almost done with this. We'll be done with this chapter tomorrow. And then we'll do a quick summary when at the conclusion of tomorrow's show. Crazy people. Right. I mean, and the same people just keep showing up, showing up, showing up. Yeah, what's interesting now is these are names, obviously, that has shown up like Strobe Talbot in the, you know.

59:31 Obama State Department, Hillary Clinton State Department. Yeah, so crazy. And again, they never make any changes. Once you've read all of these books like we have, you find out real quick that all of these congressional hearings are kabuki theater.

1:00:01 You spend a million dollars having a quote-unquote investigation and literally nothing changes. And keep in mind, this is right before 9-11. Well, it all adds flesh onto the skeleton. You remember the analogy that you used a long time ago. Yeah. And I have another organ that I stumbled across that I need to...

1:00:32 hypothetically flesh out because you're much better at bringing it down and delivering it. But it's going to blow your mind. Yeah, they usually do. And we have Tuff. I don't know what happened to SR. He's working today, I believe. So he probably was only able... And actually there was an update which threw me out and then I had to go update it and come back in. Oh.

1:01:11 OK, Jeff, go ahead. Hi, Colonel. Hi. Hi, Bridget. It's been a long time. I've been so busy working. I had to stop listening to your spaces and I really miss them. This was this blow my mind. OK, so I'm going to ask something about history, if you wouldn't mind. I don't mean to sound dumb, but you always think of Muslims as being the brutal ones. But I was surprised to learn that the Serbs, which I remember when.

1:01:39 1990, I believe, when I moved to Oregon. My daughter was young. I'm putting her on that time. I remember hearing that the Serbs put a baby in the oven and killed a baby. And so my brain was Serbs are the bad guys. But those were not the Muslims. The Serbs were not the Muslims. But you also have to take with a grain of salt any of those types of stories. So just in a nutshell.

1:02:05 What most literature, not the official story, just put the official story to the side. For whatever reason, and there's lots of opinions, Milosevic became the guy that wasn't going to play. He was the thorn in NATO's side. So they needed to devise a way.

1:02:35 to get rid of Milosevic. And so the only way to get rid of Milosevic was to pipe in a bunch of the old Mujahideen. And by the way, this is not a one-off. This is exactly the whole story about Chechnya and their quote-unquote civil war against Russia. That's all bullshit too. They had the former.

1:03:03 Afghan, Pakistani terror training camps that they invaded Chesnia with. And so they were using the former Mujahideen that morphed into Al-Qaeda and ISIS and all them other things, those types of people to insert in, because you have to understand.

1:03:29 The people that lived in this area, the original people, they did have a Muslim enclave in Yugoslavia. They had Christians there. There were Catholics there. They didn't kill each other. They didn't hate each other. There has been accounts of the historic Muslim population.

1:03:58 in the former Yugoslavia that says they were flooded with Muslim people that they had never seen before. They were not indigenous Muslim populations to that area. And they are the ones that basically provoked, and they were, Iran, whoever it was, was bringing in arms. And it was the Serbians that,

1:04:27 figured out what was going on and that there was this invasion going on. And that's when they were attacking the quote unquote Muslims. And so the Serbians had every right to be very, very aggressive against this, but you will never get in mainstream media, a delineation.

1:04:56 to the indigenous Muslim population versus these imports. And we all understand the dynamics of that now having looked at all of these different, because the West looks at it just as a Muslim, like a one size fits all Muslim population. That was not the case.

1:05:24 And that's another thing with the CIA controlling media. The only stories we ever got here was 100% Milosevic is bad and 100% the Muslims are victims. At no time during this operation, I know I lived it. I was in Washington, D.C. where they talk about nothing but politics. At no point did anybody ever ask or...

1:05:52 Did anybody ever report, hey, you know a whole bunch of them Muslims isn't from that area? And so that's the problem. They craft the media.

1:06:07 presentation to coincide with what they want you to know about the situation. And it almost 100%, I take that whole baby in an oven story the same way I did the babies in the incubators that were being dumped out in the Kuwaiti hospital, because none of that was true either. So unfortunately, we will not

1:06:34 generally ever have the real story because the mainstream media is a branch. It's the PR branch of the CIA. And obviously today we're in a much better position where there are boots on the ground. You can get eyewitness accounts out on social media almost immediately to be able to debunk some of those things. But that sure was not the case in the 1990s.

1:07:02 Thank you for that. So here's part two of my question, and I'm looking it up to make sure that my question isn't just like crazy. No, ask your question. You don't have to look it up. Well, okay, so it's interesting what the answer came up to be, but I didn't know it. I was in a space the other day of a guy named, I can't think of his name right now. It doesn't matter, but he's very knowledgeable about the Bible.

1:07:29 And we were going back and forth. And I started to realize I was talking to an anti-Israel white nationalist. But we were having a great conversation about the Old Testament. And then he started saying weird stuff like, there's no evidence for King David. There's no evidence for Solomon. I said, but wait, Jesus is a descendant of King David.

1:07:50 And then he said, white people, Adam and Eve were white people. I was like, oh, you know, I was like an hour in with this guy. And he just switched. And when I started pushing back and saying, wait, Judea relates to Jesus. Like, you know, he's saying the Hebrews are not the Judeans. And he's trying to mix up history. Right. And and I started getting attacked. And one of the things that the guy that attacked me said, what they started hounding on is that Israel created Islam.

1:08:19 So in this story, I know, right? Because I said, but Islam attacks Israel. And they're like, well, it doesn't matter. They still started it, you know, to get rid of Christians. Okay, so my question for you was, this would be very telling to show who Israel supported in this war, because it's Islam against, is it?

1:08:44 Was Moleskowitz, whatever how you say his name, was he a Christian? Moleskowitz, I don't know. I don't know what his religious belief is. But anytime you're in a situation like that, first of all, the Israel, the country, didn't exist when Muhammad was around. Muhammad is what created the Islamic religion.

1:09:15 And it's, if you, as a Christian, kind of my basic thought is in the New Testament where it says that, you know, Jesus is the son of God and there's no more books to the Bible, we're done. Anything that comes after that, that tries to make themselves a Messiah equal to Jesus, which is basically the Muslim religion for a Christian.

1:09:43 um doesn't exist for me um that doesn't mean you can't have your religion you can believe whatever you want but it doesn't um resonate with me because that's where I stop um and that's just my own personal belief but to your point but but just to clarify what he's saying is the Jews even before Muhammad he's saying the Jews are always against Christians and then

1:10:07 600 AD, whenever Muhammad came to be or made up, that the Jews started this whole Islamic thing as like a weapon. Actually, that's not factually correct either. If you go back and you read, there's much to people's, you know, I didn't realize this until I was like 25 years old and read the Bible and started doing research into it.

1:10:35 And then when I was at CENTCOM, because Southeast Asia is primarily Muslim. And so you have to go through a week of cultural classes in order to understand the people that you're dealing with. And what I gathered from all of that, when the Muslims started branching out and taking territory,

1:11:05 the nomad lifestyle in that area, whatever their religion was, was very easy. They just wanted to trade. They didn't care. And if somebody walked up to them with a sword or a spear and said, you have to say that you're a Muslim or you can't trade here, they'd go, okay, I'm a Muslim, whatever. They didn't have any religious,

1:11:34 background, like in the 500. Now, potentially they could have been Jewish because in that area, the trading posts were primarily ran by Jewish people in that area, like the big ones, not like the thing out in an oasis out in the middle of the desert, but the major trading areas had Jewish people in them. And if they,

1:12:03 said at the time that they would not convert. They were killed. So to think that the Jewish people at the time created this thing that was going around killing other Jewish people is a little too much for me. Now, did Jewish people kill other Jewish people? Yes. But

1:12:24 That's a little too far-fetched. I'd need some actual documentation. As far as the scribes during that period of time in history, there is actually secular accountings of the wiping out of large trading posts under the expansion of the Muslim Islamic religion in Southeast Asia area. There's independent.

1:12:54 not from a religious, like the scribes that they had back there that recorded history as it was occurring. There are accounts of that happening. And they do say that it was convert or die. I saw the remnants of that in Southern Italy, where the invasion of the Ottoman Empire into Southern Italy, it was convert or die.

1:13:23 It was not until Ataturk came along that there was a softening of that when they realized as they got into Europe, they weren't dealing with trading posts. They were dealing with formal cities that they did not have the ability administratively to run that they kind of softened that kill everybody that won't convert mantra.

1:13:53 There's enough nefarious things that you don't have to go back to 600. You can kind of start with the Muslim Brotherhood of which was a product of the UK. And you can go from there. People who want to go back, they don't have any evidence of anything that they're saying. And they can make all kinds of salacious claims that they can't provide you documentation to.

1:14:23 Substantiate. And that's what I would ask them. Anytime that you're in that situation. Just ask them for a reference. Well thank you for that. Now I wanted to get back to the Serbs. There was an issue about Israel. But they were supporting. The Serbs. Serbia. And then who are the Serbias? They were mostly Orthodox. Eastern Orthodox Christians. So that blows away that theory. That Israel is supporting Islam. Because they were sending.

1:14:52 to defend against Islam to the Serbs. So Israel will provide weapons to anybody. Israel was providing weapons to Iran. They were the cutout in the Iran-Contra. They are the ones that shipped all of those missiles into Iran in the 1980s.

1:15:20 Israel is the one that provided the weapons in Central America to the point where they were building the little rifle and munition factories in South America to both the Catholics and the terrorists down there. They don't care. When it comes to arms, we have found them on every single side. Okay, well, it shows you're not by.

1:15:48 Bias or you're fair. I don't know. Does that mean you're biased or not biased? You're not. I'm just factual. This is the evidence. And I know a lot of people like to blame Israel for everything. I just talk about them when they come up in the story. I have found them on every side of every issue. So whatever is best for them, they do. And I don't.

1:16:15 pretend to get into the heads of the people that run the state of Israel. But just like when we were talking about Angola in this book, as a matter of fact, you could find them working with the CIA, but at the same time supplying arms to the other side. So, Renee, go ahead. Then we'll go to YRU Samad. Hey, everyone. Hope you all had a nice weekend.

1:16:48 And I kind of fell down a Wolseley rabbit hole over the weekend and was curious because I know you brought him up recently. Well, of course, in this book. But you mentioned he's got a wide resume. But I couldn't remember if you brought up his connection to Erica Kirk. No. Okay. Well.

1:17:15 When I get a moment after I share this, I'll post it in the Purple Pill. But I watched Tommy's podcast. He had a guy on, I think his name was Colin or something. And he was talking about Erica Kirk and that whole scenario, which isn't my strength. She's a bit too telenovela for me, and I just don't like going there.

1:17:39 But anyway, I remembered I had some things saved when I was digging in the YMCA and a couple organizations that helped fund Charlie Kirk and his blossoming of the, what is it, TPUSA. And so anyway, I started digging into that and asking about Erica Kirk and her background. And I stumbled upon...

1:18:05 I think we all kind of know she was a basketball player. She went to school in Colorado. And then she went to school in – she didn't finish in Colorado on her basketball thing. Then she went to Arizona State University. I don't know if you all know, but like Yale and Harvard and whatever, ASU is also a breeding ground for CIA, FBI, yada, yada.

1:18:31 I only know this because a girlfriend of mine dated a guy who went there, and we ended up learning he was involved with the CIA. Anyway. They're big into CIA at Arizona State. Okay. All right. So then, you know, because I'm plugging it into my grok, and then I'm asking for her resume, her bio, her charities.

1:18:57 her stuff, and it talks about a video called Black Start. It was a documentary she did with R. James Woolsey. And I was like, uh-uh. Could it be the same guy we're reading the book with the colonel? And so then I started asking my grok, and I call her a she, and she's like, no. I'm like, no. It has to be.

1:19:27 So I wrestled with Grok for like 10 minutes and had to pull up the damn book link, feed her the book, go in the index. And then sure enough, it is James Woolsey in this documentary video. It's only like three minutes, but it's on like EMP and stuff. But she's in this.

1:19:52 video with him and another CIA agent named Peter Prye or something like this. And so, of course, I'm like, holy crap, this is a weird, weird hole. But anyway, yeah, you are absolutely right. He is all over the place, Rhodes Scholar, Yale, et cetera, et cetera. But I just found that wild because

1:20:21 It made me kind of feel strongly that she, I mean, I don't know if she's an agent, operative, liaison to the CA. You keep cutting out, Renee. You can, shoot, sorry. I'm driving as usual. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Okay. You can go on X in the search and it will bring up the video as well. And then some other people did further digging on.

1:20:54 Wolseley, and one of the odd chunks I also came across was Erica Kirk's mother was on some document with Wolseley, and then another one was Wolseley co-opted a book called Operation Dragon, and he co-authored it with a Romanian intelligence guy.

1:21:23 And coincidentally, Erica Kirk was involved in one of her charities was called the Romanian Angels. And this was a, you know, a children's charity naturally. But I just thought that was interesting. And I wanted to share with you all what I found. Thank you. Yeah, Wolfly is.

1:21:48 I have in my notes on him when I was doing this, he was in PNAC, which is the Project for American, a New American Century. I mean, he basically has indicated when we go back, when Warhamster and I finally get to the Fabians, you're going to see in his lifetime, he's just like one of the perfect Fabians.

1:22:14 You know, he was chairman of the Freedom House. The Freedom House, for those of you who don't know, is basically a CIA front. It's the one that goes around and gives countries democracy scores. And obviously the ones they want to overthrow always gets a low democracy score, whether or not they actually have democratic elections or whatever. They're always scored excessively low. And they will score, you know, theocracies.

1:22:44 and um basically dictatorships with a high score if they're open to western investment so um yeah he uh he has all the hallmarks of being a fabian um why are you so mad go ahead great space today very informative very eye-opening you're doing a wonderful job um i have one um

1:23:15 I don't know if it's really a question. I'm just wondering if you've heard the same thing that I have heard when it comes to Kosovo and the whole Bosnia thing in the early 90s and stuff. One thing that I heard was sniper tourism, where people were going in paying money to kill civilians and stuff like that. And I'm wondering if that has...

1:23:43 If that seems to coincide in every kind of situation like that where people will go in and pay large amounts of money to kill civilians just because they like killing. Have you heard of the same thing that I had? Well, I've heard about that. I've heard of the accusation that they were doing that there. So, yes, that is in a lot of the research.

1:24:13 Whether or not it's accurate is up for debate as far as I'm concerned based on sourcing. But it is definitely an accusation that was made by more than one person. So anyway, I just pulled up his Wikipedia page. It says John McCain hired him.

1:24:38 while he was running his 2008 presidential campaign as an advisor on energy and climate change issues. He literally has no experience in either one of those. So what was he doing as an advisor to John McCain? Because it wasn't energy or climate change. Oh my gosh. Okay. Toph, go ahead. All right. So I want to get on the,

1:25:13 The timeline of Clinton being involved in all of this, because you mentioned how it led to drug dealing in California, I believe. There was some sentence about drug dealing in California. No, that was the Senate was looking into during their investigation. They were bringing up all of the old things that the CIA had been involved in. Okay.

1:25:44 What I'm building to was in 1994, which is around the time of the Bosnian War, and Clinton was doing all this stuff, there was a scandal of Hillary Clinton's brother in California took $400,000 to influence a drug cartel getting out of prison. And I did a whole spreadsheet on it, and it involved Becerra.

1:26:13 And the DA at the time was, oh, shoot, my dang memory. He became the FEMA director, dang it, Mayorkas. Oh, mm-hmm. And so Mayorkas was the new DA appointed by Clinton. Mayorkas went to Berkeley and then Loyola University as an entertainment lawyer. But then Clinton made him the DA.

1:26:41 And Becerra, who is a young politician, as well as Villag, something, Villarega or something. He's now running for governor of California. Now he's, you know, an older man. But Villagrosa, I believe. All these young politicians band together, took bribery from Clinton's brother and influenced Mayorkas to let this cartel drug dealer out of prison.

1:27:10 The drugs were going between California and Minnesota, which is bizarre, you know, now that we know about Minnesota. Hillary Clinton, Hillary's brother had to give the money back. And she said, shame on my brother. He shouldn't have done that. But it made me think about, you know, what were the Clintons doing? They were just into so many deep things. They were. So many scandalous things. Yeah.

1:27:40 But Sarah, he was the guy who's involved in the DHS Homeland Security, letting all the kids over the border. Yeah. And so I think that what they did is they opened the door for the cartel in California. What do you think about that? Well, the door for the cartel was open a long time ago. But yeah. So if you look at the.

1:28:12 beginnings of the 70s and 80s where we were basically in so much of Latin America training up all of these excess what I refer to as terrorists because they were doing it under the guise of protecting the drug

1:28:34 supposedly protecting the people from and thwarting the drug trafficking, which of course they didn't do. And those are the people like in El Salvador that morphed into MS-13. And so those migrating into the United States began happening in the latter half of the 1980s, but, you know, were...

1:29:02 definitely occurring in the 1990s. So who knows what the real purpose of that money is? I also noticed on this Wikipedia page that Woolsey currently sits on the advisory board for a energy company called Genie Energy with Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, and Jacob Rothschild. And supposedly Genie is the one that discovered the...

1:29:36 in the Syrian Golan Heights area near Israel. That's very interesting. Definitely. Gosh, it just never ends. No, it sure don't. Okay, all along, go ahead. Yeah, Colonel, on the topic of the Clinton administration and continuity with CIA operations,

1:30:15 regardless of whether it's Democrat or Republican. And I think we see this in both, you know, the Obama administration and the Clinton administration. You know, both of them are coming in after, you know, long periods of fairly long, you know, eight, 12 years of Republicans. And they come in in a context of national politics.

1:30:38 It's a political mood of the media, mediated by the media of like, oh, my gosh, we're kind of tired of these Republicans, you know, what with two Reagans and a Bush. And then and then after eight years of W Bush, including, you know, the Iraq war, which we know was completely bipartisan. The only really, really strong, you know, Democrat opposition was from the guys who died in the plane crash in our blessed state of Minnesota.

1:31:09 Mr. Wellstone. And, oh, what a co-incident. You know, everything else is just tactical posturing. And it's like in both the Clinton and Obama administration, we can just we kind of see the deep state, you know, doing their thing. They're like, OK, there's an exhaustion with this side of the coin. Well, we'll put in the other side of the coin. But guess what? And also, you know, really in what's noticeable in both the Clinton and Obama campaign is, you know, the campaigns were all.

1:31:40 I mean, in Obama in particular, you know, the media was talking about, oh, my God, all of these changes that will happen as a result of the banking crisis. You know, they use the phrase shovel ready, which has, you know, major connotations of New Deal, you know, stuff. And they use that phrase a lot. And then as soon as Obama gets in there, it's just like he makes Citibank the cabinet.

1:32:11 You're breaking up all along. Sorry. To the Tea Party, I mean, no matter what you make of the Tea Party, it's just like, this is a period where, you know, just take the agenda. He has this podium and just, you know, through repetitive force of motion, you know, dominate the media and use that momentum to push things through Congress. And both Clinton and Obama, they...

1:32:44 did not have 100 days. Yeah. They surrendered them, you know, almost, I mean, the Clinton administration, they said they were going to do massive health. You're breaking up again. Yeah, sorry. They immediately put 500, Hillary Clinton put 500 healthcare and pharmaceutical executives, and she didn't even want to give the names to the media. In other words, she was completely privatizing.

1:33:22 You know, it could have been out of the GOP, you know, the furthest, you know, quote unquote, right wing Republican was 100 percent corporate. And so it's like the state is just using these Democrat Republican changes to maintain maximum continuity. You know, when one after eight to 12 years of tired of one, you know, they'll erase history and then. But it doesn't matter. They're going to in many ways, the CIA made out better under.

1:33:49 Clinton and Obama than they might have with with further Republican occupying the White House because of the, you know, the deception and the decoy of the duopoly. You know, it's just like there's no way they could have gotten away with more corporate right wing policy under the Republicans. So they almost got away with more of it under the Democrats, because Jack Tomlin history has been erased in the population, you know, in the media so intensely manipulative.

1:34:19 and etc but anyway i just thought i'd throw that in there because it's just so it's just you know if you use the like 40 last 40 year perspective it's just like these get these democrats they've never they're more corporate than ever before and yet of course you know certain folks are still are calling them marxists which you know in my mind is just like to me it's unbelievable that anyone could even you know you know

1:34:50 stomach that because it just completely covers up just how close they've become to k street wall street cia and and international you know work you know war industry with just like the republicans always lose yep um renee go ahead yep they're in the cia shuffle uh all along he just wanted to share with tough that um it's villa regosa who is running for governor in california

1:35:22 And a little side note, he was also in the Venceramos Brigade, the same one that Karen Bass was in as well. So just wanted to share that little nugget. Yeah, I can never remember their names because they all kind of sound the same. But I thank you for that. Are you out of California? Is that how you're familiar with him? Yep. I am in the belly of the beast. And it's very sad.

1:35:51 I think we can turn it around. I think, honestly, it'll be a big show because a lot, I mean, anyone who is part of LA City Council or in our government since the 2020 election with the VSAP, aka Smartmatic Operating System Voting System, I think we're just counting the seconds for

1:36:21 this to be exposed and all the light shined on the criminals and DEI elected slash selected woke nutjobs and everything. So yeah, just fingers and toes crossed, but I'm here.

1:36:44 What's your name? I can't see your name.

1:37:14 new left socialist construct that's going on here, which connects back to the whole goal of Fabians and infiltrating and yada yada. So I think Colonel and Warhamster are dead on right now with sharing all the information on the Fabian society and its infiltration actually around the world. Yep, unfortunately.

1:37:45 The Fabian Society, that's a satanic, openly satanic group, right? No, no, they're not satanic. But they're also not religious. The whole lot of them is atheist. Their religion is one world government. Now, do they have people that you could classify as satanic? I'm sure they do.

1:38:16 But that's not their, like, that's not the long pole in the tent. Their long pole in the tent is they want one world government. Do they focus on the United Nations spiritual leadership? Well, the Fabian Society technically doesn't.

1:38:37 They're manifested themselves in the Labour Party of the UK government. So they have this, you could say that it's like a secret society, if you will. They have all of these other things like the All Souls over in the UK, but it was born out of Cecil Rhodes' trust.

1:39:01 that funded the Milner Group and the Webbs, Beatrice and whatever her husband's name was, Webb, they basically created this in the early, late 1800s, early 1900s, this philosophical approach that we're gonna march gradually towards one world government. And so it's-

1:39:29 you'd be hard pressed to find literature because now they've manifested themselves into like everything, the Royal International Institute of Affairs, the RIIA, the CFR. They have people that like the Rhodes Scholarship Program is one of their disciple programs. And that doesn't mean that everybody that graduates with one.

1:39:54 is in their inner core, but it also doesn't mean they're not. And so, like I said, I've known people that have went to the UK, to Oxford, on a road scholars that aren't. They never got the phone call. They never ran for office. They are not in any of these government organizations, but the preponderance of them are.

1:40:23 That's just like the first step. And they observe you while you're there. And if you have the potential to be one of their disciples, then you get invited into this. All Souls is another kind of dinner club, meeting thing over there. And so you kind of just fill them out while they're there. It's like a grooming step.

1:40:51 You can't associate them with, because there's not like a hard, they have an office right here and it's all ran out of here. And they put policy papers together that support one thing or the other. They've like spread all over like a virus or a cancer inside of the humanity. They're everywhere. So anyway.

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Bill Clinton25 CIA25 Bosnia25 John Deutch25 Anthony Lake16 Serbia12 James Woolsey10 Yugoslavia10 Richard Holbrooke10 U.S. Congress8 Guatemala8 Croatia7 Strobe Talbott7 Peter Galbraith6 NATO6 Erica Kirk6 Iran6 H.K. Roy5 Howard Terry5 George Tenet5 Fabian Society4 Christopher Wray4 Slobodan Milosevic4 Charles Redman3 Nancy Soderbergh3 Hillary Clinton3 Pentagon3 Lake Galbraith arms ploy3 Operation Deliberate Force2 Jennifer Harbury2 Fred Brugger2 Mujahideen2 The Last Secret Service2 Belgrade2 Soviet Union2 Nora Slatskin2 Kosovo2 George H.W. Bush2 Rhodes Scholarship2 Switzerland2

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John Prados cited_as_source The Last Secret Service book_quoted ▶ 1:58

“But it's interesting, the information that the author, John Prados, provides from a kind of behind-the-scenes look. Okay, so obviously we're in the transition of President Bush Sr. transitioning to Cl…”

Bill Clinton proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 6:39

“attack on Sarajevo in 1992, many were killed. During the U.S. election campaign, candidate Bill Clinton spoke of lifting the arms embargo. Once Clinton was president, he needed to deliver on that prom…”

NATO carried_out_attack Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 7:09

“enabling Muslim forces to catch up in armaments while the U.S. used the power of aerial bombardment to coerce Bosnian Serbs into observing ceasefire zones. President Clinton found little international…”

Iran supplied_arms_to Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 11:08

“had seized a shipment of arms on an Iranian aircraft, early evidence that the Ayatollahs had pitched in to help their Islamic brothers. The traffic continued and broadened, with only occasional surfac…”

Saudi Arabia financed_via Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 11:08

Serbia supplied_arms_to Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 11:38

“and also, behind the scenes, the CIA. These countries bought weapons from Malaysia, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and others. Turkey is often pictured as having organized and served as a conduit …”

Turkey supplied_arms_to Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 11:38

Israel supplied_arms_to Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 11:38

Greece supplied_arms_to Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 11:38

Richard Holbrooke proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 13:12

“At the very onset, the Clinton administration diplomat Richard Holbrooks had written a paper identifying Bosnia as a key test for America's European policy, recognizing the arm flows and recommending …”

Peter Galbraith proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 13:42

“public publicized a menu of options which included sending western troops to enforce designated safe havens in bosnia initiating covert actions against milosevic who was head of the serbian republic i…”

George F. Kennan proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 13:42

Tom Fitton covered_up Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 14:11

“at other ways to arm the Muslims. Galbraith expected Iran to be the supplier. The Directorate of Operations under Tom Twitton opposed the operation, according to a later Senate Intelligence Committee …”

Jean Kirkpatrick proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 15:06

“Paper arguing that America, having just presided over the creation of a new Bosnian federation, would be participating in its destruction if the embargo was left in place. Notice how they just kind of…”

Morton Abramovich proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 15:06

Bill Clinton ordered_assassination_of Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 16:36

“At Oxford, when he was on his Rhodes Scholarship, was the guy chosen to ask. President Clinton was leaving for California for the funeral of former President Richard Nixon. Lake invited Talbot to retu…”

Anthony Lake covered_up Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 18:13

“Trudsman's vice president clarified the U.S. position by emphasizing that Clinton did not wish to be put in a position to say yes or no. Isn't that a great way to run foreign policy? On May 2nd, Tony …”

Richard Holbrooke proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 19:42

“At the end of July, Richard Holbrooke took over as Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs and promptly tried to implement the actions suggested in his transition paper. Holbrooke put togeth…”

Peter Galbraith proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 21:16

“in Zagreb and asked for $250 million in weapons. Developments convinced the station chief that nefarious schemes were afoot. In reports on the arms traffic, he began feeding Langley information on Hol…”

Anthony Harrington exposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 22:09

“In October 94, Woolsey again complained about the Bosnia policy. The CIA doubts contributed directly to rejection of the Holbrooke plan by Lake and Secretary Christopher in early November. The Nationa…”

George Tenet exposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 22:09

Richard Holbrooke proposed Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 26:40

“finally, would not be Clinton's solution. He resorted to bombing, an operation called deliberate force. Combined with U.S. mediation by Richard Holbrook, that broker to peace deal signed at Dayton, Oh…”

Bill Clinton carried_out_attack Bosnia book_quoted ▶ 26:40

Howard Terry headed CIA documented ▶ 35:09

“not banner of human rights. Terry Ward had been the station chief in Honduras at the height of the Contra War and could not have been unaware of this. But the Guatemalan station delayed its review for…”

Howard Terry reassigned Switzerland documented ▶ 35:09

John Deutch removed_from_power Howard Terry documented ▶ 37:07

“acted even though the Oversight Board investigation was still going on. Recalled from Switzerland, Terry Ward was retired, as was Fred Brugger. The station chief judged to have withheld the data. Whil…”

John Deutch removed_from_power Fred Brugger documented ▶ 37:07

John Deutch appointed David Cohen documented ▶ 40:49

“Asia officer in charge. Devine, the Latin American expert, could have been the deputy DO himself. Deutch passed over both to select David Cohen, a career CIA analyst, not agent, who only experienced i…”

John Deutch appointed Nora Slatskin documented ▶ 41:21

“Deutsch brought in Nora Slatkin with him from the Pentagon as executive director. And remember, that's the gatekeeper job. It's like the number three. She's like the chief of staff of the front office…”

George Tenet member_of National Security Council documented ▶ 42:59

“who had came from the NSC staff where he had been the top man for intelligence. Tenet has been a decade on Capitol Hill, mostly as a staff member at the Senate Intelligence Committee. A couple of year…”

George Tenet member_of U.S. Congress documented ▶ 42:59

H.K. Roy headed CIA documented ▶ 45:25

“He had covered Kosovo and had done an earlier mission in Bosnia. He had learned of the Lake Galbraith arms ploy only a few months after it took place. In mid-95, the DO selected him for Sarajevo stati…”

H.K. Roy spied_on Serbia documented ▶ 45:55

“Serbian gun positions that would be destroyed during Operation Deliberate Force. And he reported on the massacre at several different locations. When Roy discovered the downside of the Iranian arms tr…”

Iran supplied_arms_to Bosnia documented ▶ 45:55

John Deutch resigned CIA documented ▶ 49:41

“The highlight there, corrupt location data that led to the U.S. Air Force bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, naturally made a matter of dispute. In November of 96, John Deutch resigned. Followin…”

Bill Clinton pardoned John Deutch documented ▶ 50:44

“To contain unprotected classified information, the CIA security officers was ready to throw the book at him. Deutsch lost his CIA and his Pentagon clearances and finally avoided criminal prosecution o…”

Harold Nicholson spied_on Soviet Union documented ▶ 52:38

“In November of 96, on Deutsch's watch, the FBI arrested a counterintelligence officer, Harold Nicholson, who pleaded guilty to spying for the Russians. In the time Dick Helms sat at the desk as CIA di…”

U.S. Congress exposed Lake Galbraith arms ploy documented ▶ 54:04

“No fewer than six congressional committees took this up in the House of Representatives, which had shifted to Republican control in the previous election. The incident offered an opportunity to settle…”

Bill Clinton nominated Anthony Lake documented ▶ 55:05

“And because President Clinton shortly thereafter nominated Anthony Lake as the CIA director in his place, the Senate would have to confirm Lake. And the Intelligence Committee had jurisdiction. Here l…”

Bill Clinton ordered_assassination_of Slobodan Milosevic guest_asserted ▶ 1:02:05

“What most literature, not the official story, just put the official story to the side. For whatever reason, and there's lots of opinions, Milosevic became the guy that wasn't going to play. He was the…”

Mujahideen succeeded Al Qaeda guest_asserted ▶ 1:03:03

“Afghan, Pakistani terror training camps that they invaded Chesnia with. And so they were using the former Mujahideen that morphed into Al-Qaeda and ISIS and all them other things, those types of peopl…”

Mujahideen succeeded ISIS guest_asserted ▶ 1:03:03

James Woolsey member_of Project for the New American Century host_asserted ▶ 1:21:48

“I have in my notes on him when I was doing this, he was in PNAC, which is the Project for American, a New American Century. I mean, he basically has indicated when we go back, when Warhamster and I fi…”

James Woolsey headed Freedom House host_asserted ▶ 1:22:14

“You know, he was chairman of the Freedom House. The Freedom House, for those of you who don't know, is basically a CIA front. It's the one that goes around and gives countries democracy scores. And ob…”

John McCain appointed James Woolsey documented ▶ 1:24:38

“while he was running his 2008 presidential campaign as an advisor on energy and climate change issues. He literally has no experience in either one of those. So what was he doing as an advisor to John…”

Jacob Rothschild member_of Genie Energy caller_asserted ▶ 1:29:02

“definitely occurring in the 1990s. So who knows what the real purpose of that money is? I also noticed on this Wikipedia page that Woolsey currently sits on the advisory board for a energy company cal…”

James Woolsey member_of Genie Energy caller_asserted ▶ 1:29:02

Dick Cheney member_of Genie Energy caller_asserted ▶ 1:29:02

Rupert Murdoch member_of Genie Energy caller_asserted ▶ 1:29:02

Karen Bass member_of Venceremos Brigade caller_asserted ▶ 1:35:22

“And a little side note, he was also in the Venceramos Brigade, the same one that Karen Bass was in as well. So just wanted to share that little nugget. Yeah, I can never remember their names because t…”

Fabian Society member_of Labour Party (UK) host_asserted ▶ 1:38:37

“They're manifested themselves in the Labour Party of the UK government. So they have this, you could say that it's like a secret society, if you will. They have all of these other things like the All …”

Cecil Rhodes funded Milner Group host_asserted ▶ 1:38:37

Cecil Rhodes funded Beatrice Webb host_asserted ▶ 1:38:37

Fabian Society founded All Souls College host_asserted ▶ 1:38:37

Fabian Society founded Rhodes Scholarship host_asserted ▶ 1:39:29

“you'd be hard pressed to find literature because now they've manifested themselves into like everything, the Royal International Institute of Affairs, the RIIA, the CFR. They have people that like the…”

Fabian Society founded Royal Institute of International Affairs host_asserted ▶ 1:39:29