The Colonel's Corner Safe for Democracy Part 14 (15)

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0:00 Hello, Bridget. How are you today? Oh, and there's SR. We can get started. Good. I am trying to catch my husband's cold. Oh, my gosh. Right? So add one thing to another to another, and it's like... Tell him I'm going to fire him. He's not allowed to do that. But I already had antibiotics and everything here that he responded to well with. So, ta-da!

0:33 Good. Yeah. Piece of cake, man. I hope you feel better. Oh, yeah. Okay. So I'm surprised something like that hasn't happened here with my daughter back in school. That's okay. I probably shared it around the funeral home or whatever yesterday. I'm like, I know I'm sick, but I need to go anyway. Yuck. Okay. All right.

1:04 Age 169 in the chapter titled Archipelago. We're talking about Sukarno and the plot, the original plot to overthrow him in the late 1950s, as opposed to the successful one they did several years later in the 1960s, because they weren't going to allow him to remain in charge of Indonesia. So we start with the author.

1:36 views Alan Dulles as ambivalent to the scheme to overthrow Sukarno. He was not ambivalent at all. I mean, we know that he did stage porno movies to discredit Sukarno. They escorted hookers over there to try to blackmail him. He was absolutely not ambivalent. But

2:01 In his normal fashion, he has one of his disciples in the CIA take the lead on it so when it blows up, it doesn't blow back on him. Everybody else was expendable except for Alan Dulles. And I understand some people who have not read as much about Alan Dulles as I have to confuse that, but we've well established that fact. Okay, so.

2:30 We go on. Dulles increasingly delegated Indonesia to Deputy Charles Cabell, C-A-B-E-L-L. And again, that's normal for him. In turn, General Cabell employed Richard Bissell as his point man. Bissell arranged a few U-2 flights to gather data. And it's so weird that we're reading it in this book and talking about it on our other...

3:04 stream about the U2. The main center of the planning moved to the State Department, where meetings at the National Security Council Special Interagency Committee were chaired by State Department's Intelligence Director Hugh Cumming. Now, who is that? His dad, Hugh's dad, was the U.S. Surgeon General

3:35 one time. He went to the same law school that Frank Wisner went to. And he was actually the ambassador at one point in Indonesia from 1953 to 57. He's in charge of the State Department Intelligence and Research Division. That's the same place that Eleanor Dulles is hanging out.

4:04 She actually works for this man, who's basically running point on this operation. Indonesia Project is unique in revealing John Foster Dulles' role in secret warfare. The secretary in New York for the UN General Assembly learned of the go-ahead from Alan Dulles on September 16, 1957. Hugh Cummings Committee

4:35 had written a paper on Indonesia, and became the lead item at the NSC on September 23rd. It recommended that the US continue the present pattern of formal relations, but to give greater emphasis to support the quote-unquote non-communist, which means the rebel forces that are going to work with the CIA to overthrow Indonesia.

5:08 The council ordered new planning, a process that led directly to Project HAIK, H-A-I-K, as the Indonesian operation would be called. The Joint Chiefs of Staff complained that the concept conceded Java, the most important part of the country. They advised extending a small amount of military aid, enough to drive a wedge between the Indonesian military and Soekarno.

5:41 without affecting any real capability against the quote-unquote rebels. They anticipated some people in Java to be loyal to the government. Imagine that. They grudgingly, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, grudgingly approved with the actions as necessary to Haig.

6:08 Before the end of September, the formal policy logically entailed execution of a CIA covert operation. At the Far East Division, the mood was ecstatic. We're going to get to overthrow another government. Al Ulmer, U-L-M-E-R, was quoted as saying, we'll drive Lebanon off the front page. The branch, F-E Far East 5,

6:38 Felt approval meant that they could rely on the Pacific Fleet for arms shipment right away. State Department had imposed certain restrictions. There could only be one team of Americans on the ground, one officer plus his radio operator. Desmond Fitzgerald thought such a tiny commitment portended failure. His doubts were ignored. He was the Far East's top paramilitary expert.

7:07 he would be expected to carry the brunt of the load. When Wisner hand-carried a simple voucher to the director's office authorizing $10 million for Hake, Allen Dulles, it is reported, signed unhesitantly. The initial outlay would be about a million dollars. That was dispersed in November of 1957.

7:35 From that moment, John Foster Dulles spoke to his brother frequently about Haig. Foster overruled his own ambassador in Jakarta, John Allison, who had learned of the CIA contact with the rebels and argued against involvement, as had been the case with the American ambassador in Burma during the Lie My Affair. Allison was then deliberately misinformed about the CIA activity.

8:05 John Foster Dulles called Allen Dulles on November 29th, though, to tell Allen of an extremely significant cable from Allison that involved a complete reversal. The ambassador now was advising action. Foster told Allen Dulles, quote, what was happening there was that one by one, they were gradually being eliminated. Our assets were gradually shrinking.

8:35 Today, we have substantial assets with which to deal. We will, however, only have half that if we wait six months. So obviously, Soccarno is on to them. The degree of John Foster Dulles' involvement again emerged the next day when hand grenades were thrown at Soccarno as he left a school fundraiser in an attempted assassination. Of course, it was framed.

9:05 that Muslim radicals were doing it. Although Sukarno escaped, 10 people died and 48 children were injured. They don't care. John Foster Dulles was talking to Alan Dulles about sending condolences. Foster resolved telling Alan, quote, probably the failure to do so would look suspicious. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not kidding.

9:42 In early December, difficulties arose with the British as Singapore CIA Station Chief James Collins maintained liaison with British intelligence. Rebel emissaries came to Singapore to meet with Collins at the close of 1957, and the CIA officer had to sneak around, hiding from the British intelligence. Singapore was the ideal arms conduit, but the British blocked CIA efforts.

10:10 The agency had already begun preparing a weapons delivery to Permesta, which is the headquarters, that's what they call the headquarters of the rebels that they're arming, on Sumatra, which is the big island. This would be easiest if routed through Singapore. Alan Dulles went to John Foster Dulles while senior British officials were in Washington for discussions. John Foster said, if this thing goes on,

10:42 the way it is, we will have something that will end up pretty bad. John Foster's undersecretary, Christian Harder, told him that the CIA chief was quite upset with the British. John Foster wondered why London resisted action and whether the Australians and Dutch could be mobilized to bring pressure on the British. John Foster said, quote,

11:14 What he would like to do is see things get to a point where we could plausibly withdraw our recognition of the Sukarno government and give it to the dissident elements on Sumatra and land forces to protect the life and property of Americans. Use this as an excuse to bring about a major shift there. We may never have a better opportunity, unquote. On December 12th, Hugh Cummings told Foster.

11:42 He hoped that the secretary will get the British with us in Indonesia. MI6 wants to move and cooperate with the CIA. But the SIS, some people were hesitant. The Americans won their point. A few months later, SIS officers were standing alongside CIA people at the Singapore airport control tower as the reception committee for aircraft returning from arms delivery.

12:13 Meanwhile, the Americans moved big time to set up the action through bases in the Philippines. The Philippines again. Eisenhower had mentioned having some amphibious equipment, as John Foster Dulles reminded a Pentagon official on December 7th. The Navy came up with a landing ship, Doc Thomaston. The vessel loaded with a pair of barges, bearing arms for 8,000 troops sailed for Sumatra.

12:42 Simultaneously, Al Ulmer sent John Mason, chief of his air branch to the Philippines, to board a submarine, Bluegill, and watch the unloading while taking photographs. Alan Dulles, pleased at the successful delivery, told his brother on January 15th, everything is going all right on the other matter on the other side of the world. They seemed unaware that due to poor coordination,

13:11 that bazookas, which were supposed to be on the shipment, were left out. The CIA now inserted observers in Sumatra. Political specialist James Smith handled one of the colonels. Dean Almey, with cover as a U.S. consul in Medin, watched the fence sitters. Fravel Brown, who was a China Ops veteran, meaning that he was involved with the KMT.

13:44 Plus, his radio man made up a team with the rebels in Padang. Brown's report became Dulles' basis for a last-minute appraisal on January 31st. That mostly echoed the optimistic view. A 14-page paper argued that the Padang group seemed assured of backing from at least one major political movement, that the group believed Soekarno would be weakened.

14:15 and felt that it obtained Western support. Intelligence declared that the group, in its present circumstances, believes it could be successful in any resistance of military actions by forces loyal to the central government. The CIA knew in advance of a rebel ultimatum, which it predicted would be delivered on or about 5 February, but critically miscalculated in judging Soccarno.

14:45 would not pressure outer islands. CIA assumed the Padang group would have the advantage there and that at a minimum, Permesta could launch fairly widespread guerrilla warfare on the island of Java. The agency hedged only noting, quote, we are unable to estimate the outcome, unquote, of a fight and in its observation that the conclusion applied only until Sukarno.

15:14 received substantial Soviet military aid. You know, because he's a communist. Secretary Dulles worried about the rebels' long delay, declaring themselves, quote, during the Stalin period, the present regime is going to get a lot of stuff. Foster told Allen this on February 4th.

15:37 With Indonesia up for discussion at the NSC, it is not surprising that the subject of Archipelago came up again on the 5th between the Secretary and Alan Dulles. On February 6th, Alan Dulles told the National Security Council that matters were reaching a climax. The CIA now expected the rebel ultimatum in two days. It actually was broadcast on the 10th. Director Dulles.

16:07 furnished 48 hours advance notice. At State, Secretary Dulles called Hugh Cummings to demand results. Cummings had two officials brief Foster in greater detail, but stopped them before they could broach the CIA action. Indeed, Foster, Dulles, and Cummings had mulled over operational aspects for months, but they needed to keep the circle of knowledge tight. Events moved

16:40 Ahead in Indonesia, Sukarno left to travel overseas to Japan. The colonels came out into the open. They sent an emissary with an ultimatum to abandon the guided democracy and a list of acceptable cabinet members promising support if these people were appointed. Sukarno refused. On February 15th, Permessa proclaimed a rebel government comprising of figures from Sumatra.

17:09 Sala Wisset and Java, though the rebels had little strength on Java. Now the Secretary of State developed doubts about justification, as he told Allen in a dark moment on February 21st. The United States had no treaty or congressional authority to become involved in a civil war. The CIA chief warned that the rebel colonels could not go on indefinitely. Foster,

17:39 hemmed and hawed that Washington should just go ahead and recognize Permesta as the government and then sell it weapons in the open. The CIA Far East Division had expected the 541-2 group's approval to bring full cooperation, but the Navy continued to drag its feet. Admiral Arleigh Burke, Chief of Naval Operations, simply didn't press the issue.

18:08 The Navy provided landing ship and a submarine for the initial moves. Then it took weeks to send warships to Singapore to give the U.S. an intervention capability. Where an aircraft carrier or a heavy cruiser were envisioned at the core of the force, the Navy finally dispatched just two destroyers. The CIA had repeatedly gone over cooperation with the sailors in December and January. The reality proved intensely disappointing.

18:38 On February 22nd, both Alan Dulles and Christian Harder again raised this matter with the CNO. About this time, aerial reconnaissance disclosed Indonesia's site preparation for a bomber-length airstrip on the island of Natuna Basar, which was north of Sumatra. At the PACOM, which is the Pacific U.S. Military Command, Admiral Felix Stum,

19:11 Now feared Sukarno might allow Russian bombers to use the facility. Again, there's no Russians. They're not coming. Navy's resistance melted. The Navy began aerial photo missions to support Project Hake. Naval flights created the possibility for compromise of the project. Plausible deniability would evaporate.

19:43 The first airborne weapons delivery to Sumatra took place on February 23rd. Packed on Okinawa by CIA officer James McElroy and coordinated from Clark Air Base by John Mason's deputy Garfield Thorsrud and Roger McCarthy, the loads were put aboard two Civil Air Transport's C-46 aircraft. Both pilots, Paul Holden and William Gaddy,

20:13 were veterans of the CIA airlift to Dinh Ben Phu in Vietnam. When they landed to refuel in Thailand, Thai soldiers boarded the planes and started pulling apart the containers, a breach of security contained only with difficulty. Meanwhile, in Permesta, colonels arranged an arms deal with the Chinese nationalist, i.e. the KMT under Chiang Kai-shek, about the same time. The Chinese

20:43 Military mission appeared in Sulawesi, and it's not Chinese, it's Taiwanese, and it's the Chiang Kai-shek KMT military. When word of arms shipment reached the American embassy in Jakarta, it embarrassed John Allison, who had been advocating accommodation with the Indonesian government. Accounts differ on whether Allison asked for a transfer or was fired.

21:14 Secretary Dulles sent Allison to Czechoslovakia. The ambassador speculated in retrospect that Sukarno had disgusted Foster. Allison had his moment passing through Washington on his way to Prague. He stopped at the CIA for a debriefing. The intelligence officers listened carefully and politely. Afterwards, a senior CIA man walked the ambassador to his car and said,

21:42 You should know that several of us here agree with your reports and recommendations from Jakarta. I think you will be proved right in the end, meaning he was not for the coup. Indonesia dominated talk around the table at the White House with discussions at 14 of the 17 National Security Council meetings between November 57 and March 58. Keeping

22:10 Talk of it out of the cabinet room proved almost impossible. In at least one instance, the National Security Council meeting in February 27th, conversation skirted the thin line separating the overt and covert track of Archipelago. John Foster referred to, that's what John Foster referred to Project Haygas. Alan Dulles said that the colonels had moved too quickly, although Sukarno's forces

22:38 had yet to make an attack, the CIA speculated that he doubted his troops' loyalty. The rebels had not evaluated their own strength very well. Quote, the great problem confronting us is how far we go into this matter. If the rebels fell, unquote, Alan Dulles feared he expressed fair certainty that Indonesia would go over to communism.

23:08 President Eisenhower responded that if the communist takeover really threatened, Washington would have to intervene. John Foster Dulles then interjected, the U.S. chances are far better since there existed an indigenous government on Sumatra. There really wasn't. They were just using the rebels. This is a phone call between John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles. Quote,

23:40 The secretary said he does not know whether the talk this AM about the area should lead to greater activity. Allen said he is talking about it now. You reach a point where it is extremely difficult to do much more without showing your hand. The secretary thinks if it is going to work, we should take some risk of showing our hand. They agreed it is the last chance. The secretary mentioned buying stuff.

24:10 In the Philippines, Alan said the question of delivery is difficult. They can get it in only the way we do. Alan said that we are going ahead. We are ready to give them a bird as soon as we think they can eat it. We are pushing ahead as daringly as we can. It is a vigorous program and they are very happy with it and cooperate very well.

24:40 The secretary just wanted him to know that he had the feeling we can't play too safely here and we have to take some risks because it looks to him that this is the best chance we have. Alan Dulles is glad to hear it, unquote. Arms delivery alerted Frank Wisner to leave for Singapore. He was going to be there to command archipelago operation in the field. The CIA station.

25:11 had been augmented for the project. Through Scott Breckenridge, its liaison officer in Australia, the CIA also pressed the Australians to do something about journalists because they were reporting on what was going on. Do something in Australia about your reporters. They're telling the truth. We don't want anybody to know what we're doing. The Philippines became the base of Hague.

25:40 Navy submarines left Subic Bay while airdrops were staged from CIA compounds at Clark under Paul Gottke. The agency enlisted the services of several hundred American, Polish people, Filipinos, and KMT to maintain and fly a small fleet of transport aircraft, P-51 fighters, and B-26 bombers. And crews were later moved.

26:16 from Madado to Salawasi. Although only about a dozen aircraft were involved, this represented the International Volunteer Air Group that had already been formed. The Indonesian government now began taking strong countermeasures. The chief of staff, Nasution, dismissed six rebel colonels.

26:46 and more discharges followed. Nasusen declared that force would be used, and a week later, a warship maneuvered off the coast of Padang. Radio stations were bombed by government planes, as Soekarno's order. In another conversation on March 4th, CIA Alan Dulles told the Secretary of State his terrible fear the U.S. would have to halt Project Hake. Alan assured Foster,

27:17 He had not yet issued any such orders. John Foster Dulles attempted to prevent the American role in Indonesia from becoming public knowledge. This is very interesting and pay attention because this happened all the time. In appearances before Congress in March and April, John Foster Dulles insisted that the U.S. had not intervened but had followed international law.

27:44 At a press conference, he described the rebellion as an internal matter and said Washington would not permit arms sales to either side. The revolt would be dealt with by Indonesians, quote, without intrusion from without, unquote. So the key word in that sentence is we're not going to permit arms to be sold. They were just giving them to them.

28:15 Nobody was buying them. The CIA was flying them in by the plane full. You and I were paying for them. Nobody sold them to anybody. They just sold us a crock of shit. On March 6th, Alan Dulles told the NSC that Sukarno had delayed in order to put his own troops into position to move against them. Alan Dulles dismissed his brother's hopeful doubts as to whether Sukarno's troops had the stomach for battle.

28:47 The CIA had good access since the officer Nasution had put in charge happened to be a close friend of the American attachés. A week later, Sukarno's troops landed at a Sumatran coast. On March 11th, within hours of a CIA arms delivery, government planes struck the zone. Troops landed there and seized most of the weapons that you and I bought.

29:15 The Sukarno forces briefly held CIA officer Brown, who insisted he was just one of an American there working for an oil company. Yes, there was lots of oil in Sumatra, which is why they were there. One of the reasons, that and the gold. Director Dulles reported to the NSC on March 13th, telling the group that General Nasution

29:45 personally coordinated several columns converging on Padang. About two weeks later, a CIA seaplane reached Sumatra with the first actual troop training mission. Officers Anthony Pasiphi and James Haas, plus a radio man, joined Pat Landry, already in place for about a month. But the training seemed fruitless.

30:12 The CIA team drew up a schedule and there was no one to train. Dean Almey, senior officer on Sumatra, believes the secret warriors progressively became enmeshed in their own cause. President Eisenhower wanted a full workup on the intelligence. And on March 27th, Allen Dulles presented a lengthy briefing in the White House.

30:39 After describing the terrain, the CIA assessed rebel strength in Sumatra was much weaker than the government forces. The Navy sent urgent orders to do reconnaissance from the Pacific. And that day, three aircraft flew photo missions over Indonesia. One of them, an AJ-2P Savage pilot, piloted by Sy Mendenhall, suffered damage while flying over Permesta Base.

31:10 The incident with the plane forced to make an emergency landing in the Philippines created another problem. On March 8th, the Chicago Daily News published an article on American airdrops to the rebels, triggering more consternation in Washington. Secrecy continued only because the Daily News story was never reprinted by any of the mainstream media. We're dropping.

31:41 shit into a foreign country, a newspaper prints it, and the words from the CIA immediately go out and tell all of the other newspapers they're not allowed to print it. Anxious to shore up the rebellion, CIA General Cabell made proposals that went too far, even for Secretary Dulles. Not satisfied with what they heard from the U.S. Pacific Command regarding its capabilities, Alan Dulles sent Cabell to Honolulu.

32:12 to investigate. Meanwhile, the Soccarno forces made steady progress. On April 14th, Allen Dulles told the NSC he expected an amphibious assault in Padang any day. Eisenhower said that the rebels really needed a submarine or two to fight the Soccarno's navy coming into their own area.

32:43 The Navy had subs on the scenes, notably the Bluegill and Tang, but received no orders to intervene. Usually, Eisenhower held national security meetings on Tuesdays. The session on April 14th came a day early. What happened instead on Tuesday was a fateful decision for the CIA to take its gloves off. Allen Dulles had been alerted by presidential aide Andrew Goodpaster of

33:12 the boss, meaning Eisenhower's, deep interest, particularly in the use of American personnel. Dulles shot back that his secret warriors were about at the limit of their authority. Allen called Foster, telling his brother of Eisenhower's concern. We're reaching an hour of decision, Allen Dulles declared. Foster replied that they needed to find a political basis to make covert operations.

33:41 into an overt one. Meaning, hey, don't you have a false flag that you can throw around somewhere so we can get the U.S. military in there and kill a few of them? Alan Dulles went alone to the White House from the CIA. John Foster Dulles took two of his aides. Would the U.S. recognize Permesta as the government or a belligerent? That afternoon in one of several phone calls with

34:10 Alan Dulles, John Foster Dulles, remarked that the rebels might fight harder if they saw the prospects of actually being recognized. Should the CIA tell them the U.S. might accord recognition if they could beat Soccarno in an attack? You know, bait them in. Could Washington end its restriction on paramilitary teams? They ask each other. Could the CIA employ people other than its own?

34:39 What military assistance could be brought to bear? Eisenhower looked to the idea of hiring soldiers of fortune. His avenue, his preferred avenue for plausible deniability. And on April 15th, he emphasized that he wanted no U.S. personnel detached from CIA service for the sole purpose of working in Indonesia. But the CIA proprietary personnel, like civil air transport pilots, were fine.

35:10 You can hire all the mercenaries you want, even though civil air transport is a CIA proprietary. Secretary Dulles suggested stronger intervention might be necessary. Without overt support of the rebels, they could fail. But Foster undercut his own argument opposing American troops in Sumatra to protect U.S. citizens and the oil fields. Always about the oil.

35:40 The CIA came again with a green light to stage activities under the Soldier of Fortune rubric. Reporters at news conferences that day asked about diplomat recognition for the rebels. John Foster Dulles tried to be as obscure as he could. This action came too late for Permesta on Sumatra. Sukarno's landings took place as foreseen. Alan Dulles telephoned

36:08 John Foster on April 17th to report the invasion underway. Among the rebels, some units changed sides, left their rebels, joined the government. Often troops simply ran away. A real battle for Padang, which fell after three days, sealed the rebels' defeat. The CIA training team made a hazardous trek.

36:33 to a stretch of unoccupied coast to commandeer a boat and head out to sea, where they were retrieved by the Navy ship tank. The cover story was that they were big game hunters caught in a crossfire of a rebellion. It was ludicrous. That was it. One even said that they were scientists hunting exotic butterflies.

37:03 in Indonesia. They're definitely creative. Allen Dulles informed Foster on April 23rd that the rebels seemed to have no fight in them. Foster actually speculated on whether the U.S. should now switch sides back to Sukarno. Aghast, the CIA director cautioned against such a premature move. Agency personnel lifted the original limitation of one team with the rebels, but white faces were not enough. The rebels lacked backbone.

37:34 Anthony Profsini had already met Tibetan trainees, which were fierce partisans. Yeah, because the CIA trained them. Hold on just a second. I've got a situation here. Hold on just one second. Okay, sorry about that. There's a little thing going on on the side here. I'll fill you guys in later.

38:24 Okay, reliance on a movement neither cohesive nor unified was to be the key error in Project Hake. The Permesta colonels opposed rule from Java, but their political program revealed their motivation as personal. That envisioned a loose federation of regions, essentially major islands and group of islands in the archipelago.

39:00 were to retain most of their income, giving only a small amount to the central government. That plan had served well in warlord China. The same separatism the CIA exploited to create Hague ensured that the rebel movement could not function as an alliance. A mismatch also existed between the ideological commitment of the CIA secret warriors and the less lofty aims of the colonels.

39:29 This kind of mistake had also been made in Guatemala. But thanks to Arbenz panicking and leaving, Sukarno chose to stand his ground. Another problem lay in the disparity in means between the rebels and the Indonesian government. Sukarno, unlike other countries, had a navy and they knew how to use their ships. He also had an air force and they knew how to bomb.

40:01 He had Marines and paratroopers and knew how to use them. The rebel colonels had nothing like that and weren't interested in being trained on how to do it, thanks to the CIA. The light weapons and ammunition the Americans delivered didn't make up the difference. Regarding diplomatic recognition, Hugh Cummings' people had assembled a paper that showed only weak legal grounds for such a move.

40:33 recognizing the rebels as the actual government or a government. Then came the Battle of Padang and rebel defeat. Alan Dulles gave Foster details in a lunchtime call. Foster remarked that Sukarno's invasion had happened with far greater efficiency, speed, and precision than we forecasted. We have to be careful not to get too far out on a limb, he warned.

41:04 A few days later, Foster speculated on recognizing the Sumatran state, but Allen Dulles advised waiting. Sure enough, on April 28th, word came from the east that the east is boiling. The last rebel capital of Sumatra fell on May 4th. There was nobody left to recognize. The CIA did what it could to stiffen the rebellion.

41:32 With the end on Sumatra, the rebel capital moved to Menando on another island. A most conspicuous facet remained the rebel air force, which is basically the CIA. Indonesian airmen generally stayed loyal to Sukarno, making it hard to explain how Permesto all of a sudden had an air force out of nowhere because it's the CIA's.

42:07 So these backwoods rebels overnight had air capability to attack their government. Of course, they were all civil air transports. There were also Chinese nationalists, Polish people, and at least one Hungarian who had worked directly for the CIA during this time. These are still the same people that we were recruiting from the fascists in those areas in Europe.

42:42 into the CIA as paramilitary. There were Filipino pilots at Clark Air Base. The U.S. Air Force in 1957 declared 73 B-26 bombers excess. And the Air Force paid to modify them for CIA use with UNI's money. And that's the benefit of having wars.

43:17 There's lots and lots of excess aircraft afterwards that the CIA gets their hands on. The U.S. Air Force refurbished the planes, adding heavy caliber machine guns to them. Agency officer Cecil Cartwright supervised the air operations. Rebels were first reported as bombing rebels in air quotes. Bangdang in late March.

43:49 But the initial CIA airstrike came against Macassar in April 13th. Two B-26 bombers participated and one of them crashed, killing two Polish air crew members. The plane would be replaced, but not the pilots. The poles were not used again during the rest of the project. Instead, the CIA brought two more civil air transport pilots.

44:19 Alan Pope and William Beale to fly the remaining B-26s. Filipino Antonio Didal and Rex Reyes flew P-51s. More than a dozen raids followed when the airmen seemed close to exhaustion. Richard Bissell actually reached down into his U-2 spy plane unit and recruited two of those pilots, Carmine Vito and James Sher...

44:48 Bono, the security breach of either of those had been captured would be enormous. For that very reason, they were never permitted to fly over land. Nationalist Chinese helped with air services, staying to work with Permesta even after the CIA would eventually leave and defeat, using their own B-26 bombers that they had gotten from the CIA, thanks to William Polly.

45:19 April 28th attack on the oil port, a British tanker suffered hits along with Indonesian gunboats. This was exactly the same thing that happened in Guatemala where a British commercial ship got bombed. Rebel troops from Madero seized Marutai and its airfield.

45:46 to bring more targets into range of the P-51s. Director Dulles told the NSC on May 1st that, in reference to foreign ships, that the attacks had been almost too effective in certain instances. There were many other ships that were attacked in open water, not just those.

46:11 The danger of CIA exposure continued to be extremely high. Indonesian intelligence learned a fair amount and tried to discredit Permesta. Sukarno's propaganda reported airdrops on several occasions, at least one linking to the Australian Air Force. The government accused American and quote-unquote Chinese, meaning Taiwan, adventurers.

46:36 of working for the rebels and later announced that he had sent Washington a name of the people they viewed, they had found out was involved. In response, President Eisenhower at a news conference talking to us on April 30th, declared that the U.S. remained neutral. Quote, now on the other hand.

47:02 Every rebellion that I have ever heard of has its soldiers of fortune, unquote, being paid by the U.S. government. Ike felt that he had done so well with his lie that he called Foster to brag about it. The only time during the entire operation the two discussed Project Hake on the phone.

47:29 John Foster Dulles followed up the next day, saying the U.S. had no legal obligation to control American soldiers of fortune. Well, you could not pay them. Isn't that a form of control? The soldier of fortune argument turned out to be disastrous. On May 18th, a rebel B-26 bomber attacked Ambron, hitting a crowded village marketplace where the people were on their way to church.

48:00 Where have I heard that before? This raid on Ambon finally found ready government defenses. Damaged over its next target, an airfield, the bomber's right wing caught on fire. The crew bailed out and were captured. The bombardier was Indonesian, but the pilot was the American Alan Pope. Within the day,

48:29 Washington knew of Pope's detention. General Cabell told John Foster Dulles the CIA had a lot of confidence in him, that there's no way that they could tie him to the U.S. or the CIA, because he had flown in Korea. He had been involved in CIA missions in Dinbinfu. He's one of us. He's good. Director Dulles met his brother to discuss the setback, taking Cabell with him.

49:01 Despite the danger, they argued for another strike at the same target. Sukarno and Nasution were preparing the attack to the last rebel stronghold. Secretary Dulles shot back that either the rebels had to succeed in winning political support or the U.S. would have to consider intervention, like overt intervention. John Foster Dulles is dead set on taking Indonesia. He makes that unequivocally clear.

49:32 Why? Because he doesn't work for the United States government. He works for Standard Oil and all of the oligarchs. They want the oil and they want the gold and they all know it's there. 10 prick air raids were not about to do the job, he said. On May 19th, Foster separately discussed the Pope shoot down in phone calls with Alan Cabell and his Far East assistant secretary, Walter Robinson.

50:03 The latter remarked that perhaps the time had come to bring the Australians up to date on what they were actually doing. The loss of Pope's B-26, bad as it had been, marked only part of an even worse day. There had been a second bomber on a mission, one that confronted the Indonesian interceptor and crashed on landing. That left the rebels with no effective air arm since several days earlier Sukarno's plane had successfully wiped out all of their C-57s.

50:32 54s and the CIA's P-51s on the ground. Alan Dulles and Pierre Cabell met Foster late that afternoon at Foster's home. Field commanders were now pressing for attacks to brunt Nasocian's buildup in eastern Indonesia. Foster insisted the Indonesian's political front had to be more coherent or

51:02 risk overt intervention. Again, covert operations had run their course. Director Dulles reluctantly told John Mason's deputy, James Aglarum, we're going to pull the plug. Three successive headquarters cables were necessary to get the field people to understand that Hake was at its end. Suddenly, on May 20th, John Foster Dulles stirred before a press to say the rebellion should be resolved without foreign involvement.

51:34 While he's talking about no kidding, going in overtly and taking over the government. The next day, Alan Dulles sent the Secretary of State a note confirming the U.S. people had been pulled out. Separately, Alan added the text of a letter from one of the rebel colonels who was seeing off the agency's men, declaring his Indonesian would fight to the end, expressing surety that they would meet again.

52:04 Certain his pilots could stand up to torture, the CIA sanitized its B-26 bombers to prevent them being linked to U.S. inventories. And the pilots underwent strip searches to ensure they carried no incriminating evidence. That's weird. The Americans did not think Sukarno could prove Alan Pope was a U.S. citizen. But the pilot had concealed papers somehow aboard the aircraft.

52:34 The Indonesians captured Pope's flight log, Air Force and Civil Air Transport identification cards, his contract, and a post-exchange privilege card from Clark Air Base. So much for sanitation. On May 27th, the papers and Pope appeared before the world press in Jakarta. Both Eisenhower and John Foster Dulles had been caught in a big...

53:05 fat lie. Some reports suggested that CIA secretly assembled a team at Clark to snatch Alan Pope out of the Indonesian prison. Supposedly agents were going to smuggle him out, but there was no such attempt that we know of. The Pope shoot down spelled the end for Archipelago. An officer

53:29 At the Far East 5 Division, Heard Allen Dulles used the phrase, we must disengage as the director ordered a stand down. The CIA phase for Permesta revolt ended with the fall of Manitou to Sukarno's forces on June 26. The final result strengthened his hand in the words of a historian, Brian May, quote, the American intervention was a gift to Sukarno.

53:58 Unquote. The Indonesians fought on for years in a low-intensity conflict, so long as the National Chinese were staying there. So it wasn't even them fighting their own people. The KMT army stayed in there to harass Sukarno on behalf of the CIA. Haig strained relations with the British and Australian intelligence services, but no one at the CIA was held accountable.

54:32 The man who made the original contact with the colonels, given his choice of post, went to London. Of course, that's the prized place for the CIA. Al Omer headed to Paris, and one of their other undercover officers went to Algeria. Now, what's interesting about London, Paris, and Algeria? Because we're getting ready to do the Algerian operation.

55:04 with all of the stay-behind units, including Otto Skorzeny. Desmond Fitzgerald got the Far East Division chief's position. Even Alan Pope, tried in December in 1959 to a life sentence in Indonesia, would fly again for the CIA. The disaster finally sapped the strength of Frank Wisner. When Wisner encountered Desmond Fitzgerald,

55:39 At the airport, Desmond Fitzgerald said he was disconnected and aggressive because Frank Wisner was in Singapore this whole time watching this entire mission fail. One day in September, Wisner finally went over the edge. He was taken to a psychiatric hospital. And of course, they used the MK Ultra electrical.

56:10 procedure of shocking him and all that other crap. And he eventually goes to the London CIA station chief's job as well. So that's it for today. That's just crazy. It still pisses me off that Dulles Airport is named after them. It still pisses me off too. I agree. Yep.

56:42 That's what I was going to say, man. Why do they have an airport named after these people? I mean, these people, it's insane, like massive, just operation after operation after operation of nothing but instability. It's insane. Yes, yes, yes. It's all insane. And they all know that they're lying to the American public and hiding shit from us.

57:11 And it doesn't even faze them one little bit. SR, go ahead. Thank you, Colonel. And thank everyone for showing up here today on Spaces and on Rumble. As always, the Colonel does deliver truth. It's verified. But did I understand correctly in that Dulles actually took control of the armed services for a short period of time?

57:41 No, no, no. The armed forces has a seat at the table at the NSC. And they were told that, I mean, it's in 4512-2. The U.S. military has to support approved missions of the CIA. We have to.

58:09 What they were actually doing, Arleigh Burke, was dragging his feet. So instead of sending all of the U.S. Navy off the coast, he sent a couple of destroyers when it was anticipated by the two Dulles brothers that they were going to get a carrier. And what they normally do...

58:30 is they get themselves in a desperate position on land and then kind of bait like Bay of Pigs. That's what that whole thing was about. They execute a plan that has no way in hell of working. If it does work, it's a fluke. As we've seen this book articulate, the same thing was true in Iran. It almost failed. The same thing is true in Guatemala. It almost failed.

58:57 But their hope is that they get into a compromising situation or can generate a false flag and bait the president into having to commit the U.S. military. But without the appropriate forces offshore, that was not going to happen in Indonesia. And so they were just begrudgingly sending the one submarine that dropped off weapons.

59:27 they were basically making the CIA stand on their own two feet. So what did you think indicated that they took over the military? Well, let's see, they jumped the gun, all right, before they were given any authority to do anything, if I understood correctly. No, Eisenhower approved the plan. Okay, okay, thank you for clearing that up. Yeah, no, Eisenhower definitely approved the plan.

1:00:00 And he was constantly being updated by Allen and John Foster Dulles, like, we got to do it now. We got to do it now. Because Sukarno was already picking off the rebel colonels one by one. And he had killed six of them. And that's when they were saying that the window is closing. The window is closing. If we don't go now, you might as well call off the whole thing.

1:00:24 So they were seeing a window closing and were trying to expedite the approval, but they got approval. And that's not to say they haven't done that, SR, to your point. They most certainly have done things they're not authorized to do. As a matter of fact, the direction from the CIA, even from Wisner's shop in Iran, was to call off Ajax. And Kermit Roosevelt did not call it off.

1:00:56 He launched phase two, which happened to be successful, and then they heralded him as a hero. So they 100% disobey orders, to your point. All along? Yeah, Colonel. There's an excellent book by the Australian historian Greg Somebody, who I put in the bubble, and it's called Battleground Indonesia, JFK versus Alan Dulles. And it's a must-read.

1:01:30 And it describes the situation in 1958. And again, in 1963, the Indonesian coup happened in effect in Dallas, Texas, because the policy was changed 180 degrees from the JFK assassination, which produced a genocide of 1.5 million. But it also reminded me, and of course, who never mentions that?

1:01:59 Of course, the U.S. leftists who are, in fact, put in place to make some genocides, you know, accessible for discussion and completely cancel genocides from history if they're connected to anything fundamental to our degree of systemic political corruption. In this case, the JFK assassination. But it's like, it kind of reminded me also of the...

1:02:27 Their situation in Iraq between 58 and 63 with a sort of phased rocket. Parks designed to play roles during certain years. Like in Iraq, you know, they could see government, you know, foil, you know, it's kind of a hint of possibly being aligned with the Soviet Union, but not really to have any effect, not strong enough to have an effect.

1:02:59 It stymied the growth of pan-Arabism and enabled the Saudis to form OPEC against their own populations of the Arab Middle East. But also here in Indonesia, the same thing is happening in 1958 to 1963 because the Indonesian genocide was also caused by a 180-degree policy change caused by the JFK assassination.

1:03:30 I mean, literally JFK was going to Indonesia and Sukarno was like building him a friggin, you know, ceremony or whatever the fuck for his visit to Indonesia. And let's remember that you may have covered this probably in the beginning. I missed the beginning of the show, but it was like this is the Bandung conference. Sukarno, right? This is the airball that the CIA says automatically anti-communist. If you're not with us, you're against us.

1:04:00 But JFK says not necessarily. And that not necessarily is what got him assassinated worldwide. Look, it applies everywhere, right? Because now you're calling the CIA's bluff of going in to take the little kid's lunch money, and it's no longer going to be perceived by the U.S. taxpayers as anything, you know, as just we're protecting it from the Soviet Union. But too many people would hear the truth about U.S. foreign policy.

1:04:28 worldwide so JFK had to be shot and but again in Indonesia it's like the way that this Australian historian described it it's almost like they're shooting billiards Alan Dulles and JFK and like especially in the 58 stage there he says that the the military was too decentralized for them to have a coup in 58 so ironically um Soekarno re-centralizes the military

1:04:59 According to what this guy makes it seem like is almost Alan Dulles' thinking, in order to create a military that's centralized, nominally under Sincarno's control, but is now ripe for CIA coup plotting, whereas earlier in 58 that wasn't possible because, as you said, the generals were not centralized enough. It's really an amazing book. You guys got to check it out. Colonel, I think your microphone is muted.

1:05:46 I don't know how it got muted. That's weird. He's talking about Professor Polgrain. If you remember, Bridget, like two years ago when we were doing our Around the World tour, Professor Polgrain is an Australian professor that basically moved to Indonesia. And he found out later that he was living in the house next to the house where Sotero lived, the colonel.

1:06:16 That's where President Obama lived and was raised in Indonesia. He was renting the house next to it while he was doing all of the research for this. So him and I started emailing back and forth because his other book, which is in more detail than the book you put up, but the book you put up is a very good book. I've read it. His other book has even more detail in it, but you can't buy it in the United States.

1:06:43 The only place we found it for sale was like in Singapore and it was like $300. So Bridget did the research and found his email address at the school and he emailed me back and I told him what I was doing and why I was doing it. And he emailed me a copy of his book if I promised not to forward it. Because obviously that's a copyright thing and I haven't.

1:07:10 Yeah, he is the expert on the CIA and its operation in Indonesia. He's fascinating. And he is the scholar when it comes to Indonesia. So if you guys are interested, I highly, highly recommend that version of the book. Because as all along says, it's fascinating.

1:07:39 And there's probably no one that's more read in on that because he spent, if not an entire year, almost an entire year in country talking to everybody. He tells personal stories about people that were involved in those different uprisings and he makes it.

1:08:04 at a personal level, the devastation that these destabilization efforts created all along? Yeah, I just, I kind of mentioned that, you know, the importance of Soccarno being, you know, the Bandung Conference of 1955 is so critical because it's like when you talk about essential reasons where JFK is

1:08:32 Different from the CIA that assassinated him, this is kind of like the core unifying concept of those differences, whether it be Cuba, Vietnam, Congo, Indonesia, Brazil, that, you know, economic nationalism would not be automatically conflated with the CIA's wholesale distributed force-fed bogeyman of international communism because we...

1:09:01 We know that that's not what it was. And but for us to say that on an Internet kernel in 2026 is not the same thing as having somebody say anything close to that, you know, on national on a three network national television that reached, you know, huge, you know, critical mass of the population. The population, enough of the population could hear that. Right. That's what the CIA needed to assassinate.

1:09:31 That condition, that access. And what he's referring to is, we mentioned when we first started the Indonesian part of this book, is that Sukarno was basically one of the...

1:09:50 in the non-aligned movement. I mean, if you look at what Bricks was trying to do in modern time, Sukarno was one of the most vocal leaders of that effort back in the 1950s. He wanted people to be able to be countries, to be able to be neutral and do what's best for their own people, not tied to this Soviet

1:10:21 or US, Western false paradigm. He just thought people ought to be able to get along, trade with whoever they wanted to. And obviously that wasn't allowed. All right, so we're gonna call it quits a little early today. It's Wednesday, so I've got dinner tonight. So I appreciate you guys all being here.

1:10:48 And joining with us, we're going to finish up the archipelago. We only have a couple pages left. And then move on to the war for the roof of the world. It's very, very interesting. Not stuff because we're going to get into more into the Tibetan China.

1:11:15 foray in this next chapter. Again, I just, I love the way this book is written, even if I don't agree with all of the things the author says, which is not unusual. But it's very in-depth, like I said, and it's tough going, but I think we're going to learn a lot. All right, you guys take care, and I will see you tomorrow.

Entities here

CIA50 Allen Dulles50 Vietnam26 Sukarno25 Permesta25 Project Hake14 Sumatra13 U.S. Navy11 Dwight D. Eisenhower10 National Security Council9 Alan Pope8 Washington, D.C.8 Padang8 Kuomintang7 Frank Wisner7 Singapore7 Hugh Cumming Jr.6 Philippines5 Charles Cabell5 U.S. State Department5 Air America5 Abdul Haris Nasution5 Java5 Barksdale Air Force Base5 Inter-Services Intelligence5 John Allison4 Jakarta4 Guatemala3 Iran3 U.S. Air Force3 Desmond Fitzgerald3 Archipelago3 United States Central Command2 John Nason2 Dean Almey2 London2 Fravel Brown2 Alfred Ulmer2 Richard M. Bissell Jr.2 Arleigh Burke2

Claims made here

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Sukarno book_quoted ▶ 1:36

“views Alan Dulles as ambivalent to the scheme to overthrow Sukarno. He was not ambivalent at all. I mean, we know that he did stage porno movies to discredit Sukarno. They escorted hookers over there …”

Allen Dulles recruited Richard M. Bissell Jr. book_quoted ▶ 2:30

“We go on. Dulles increasingly delegated Indonesia to Deputy Charles Cabell, C-A-B-E-L-L. And again, that's normal for him. In turn, General Cabell employed Richard Bissell as his point man. Bissell ar…”

Hugh Cumming Jr. headed National Security Council book_quoted ▶ 3:04

“stream about the U2. The main center of the planning moved to the State Department, where meetings at the National Security Council Special Interagency Committee were chaired by State Department's Int…”

Eleanor Dulles member_of U.S. State Department book_quoted ▶ 3:35

“one time. He went to the same law school that Frank Wisner went to. And he was actually the ambassador at one point in Indonesia from 1953 to 57. He's in charge of the State Department Intelligence an…”

Hugh Cumming Jr. member_of U.S. State Department book_quoted ▶ 3:35

National Security Council funded Project Hake book_quoted ▶ 5:08

“The council ordered new planning, a process that led directly to Project HAIK, H-A-I-K, as the Indonesian operation would be called. The Joint Chiefs of Staff complained that the concept conceded Java…”

Joint Chiefs of Staff supplied_arms_to Permesta book_quoted ▶ 5:08

CIA financed_via Project Hake book_quoted ▶ 7:07

“he would be expected to carry the brunt of the load. When Wisner hand-carried a simple voucher to the director's office authorizing $10 million for Hake, Allen Dulles, it is reported, signed unhesitan…”

CIA covered_up Assassination attempt on Sukarno book_quoted ▶ 9:05

“that Muslim radicals were doing it. Although Sukarno escaped, 10 people died and 48 children were injured. They don't care. John Foster Dulles was talking to Alan Dulles about sending condolences. Fos…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Permesta book_quoted ▶ 10:10

“The agency had already begun preparing a weapons delivery to Permesta, which is the headquarters, that's what they call the headquarters of the rebels that they're arming, on Sumatra, which is the big…”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Sukarno book_quoted ▶ 11:14

“What he would like to do is see things get to a point where we could plausibly withdraw our recognition of the Sukarno government and give it to the dissident elements on Sumatra and land forces to pr…”

Inter-Services Intelligence supplied_arms_to Permesta book_quoted ▶ 11:42

“He hoped that the secretary will get the British with us in Indonesia. MI6 wants to move and cooperate with the CIA. But the SIS, some people were hesitant. The Americans won their point. A few months…”

U.S. Navy supplied_arms_to Permesta book_quoted ▶ 12:13

“Meanwhile, the Americans moved big time to set up the action through bases in the Philippines. The Philippines again. Eisenhower had mentioned having some amphibious equipment, as John Foster Dulles r…”

Alfred Ulmer recruited John Nason book_quoted ▶ 12:42

“Simultaneously, Al Ulmer sent John Mason, chief of his air branch to the Philippines, to board a submarine, Bluegill, and watch the unloading while taking photographs. Alan Dulles, pleased at the succ…”

CIA recruited James Smith book_quoted ▶ 13:11

“that bazookas, which were supposed to be on the shipment, were left out. The CIA now inserted observers in Sumatra. Political specialist James Smith handled one of the colonels. Dean Almey, with cover…”

CIA recruited Dean Almey book_quoted ▶ 13:11

CIA recruited Fravel Brown book_quoted ▶ 13:11

CIA supplied_arms_to Permesta book_quoted ▶ 19:43

“The first airborne weapons delivery to Sumatra took place on February 23rd. Packed on Okinawa by CIA officer James McElroy and coordinated from Clark Air Base by John Mason's deputy Garfield Thorsrud …”

Kuomintang supplied_arms_to Permesta book_quoted ▶ 20:13

“were veterans of the CIA airlift to Dinh Ben Phu in Vietnam. When they landed to refuel in Thailand, Thai soldiers boarded the planes and started pulling apart the containers, a breach of security con…”

Allen Dulles removed_from_power John Allison book_quoted ▶ 21:14

“Secretary Dulles sent Allison to Czechoslovakia. The ambassador speculated in retrospect that Sukarno had disgusted Foster. Allison had his moment passing through Washington on his way to Prague. He s…”

CIA recruited Scott Breckenridge book_quoted ▶ 25:11

“had been augmented for the project. Through Scott Breckenridge, its liaison officer in Australia, the CIA also pressed the Australians to do something about journalists because they were reporting on …”

CIA recruited International Volunteer Air Group book_quoted ▶ 25:40

“Navy submarines left Subic Bay while airdrops were staged from CIA compounds at Clark under Paul Gottke. The agency enlisted the services of several hundred American, Polish people, Filipinos, and KMT…”

CIA recruited Paul Gottke book_quoted ▶ 25:40

Abdul Haris Nasution removed_from_power Permesta book_quoted ▶ 26:16

“from Madado to Salawasi. Although only about a dozen aircraft were involved, this represented the International Volunteer Air Group that had already been formed. The Indonesian government now began ta…”

Sukarno ordered_assassination_of Permesta book_quoted ▶ 26:46

“and more discharges followed. Nasusen declared that force would be used, and a week later, a warship maneuvered off the coast of Padang. Radio stations were bombed by government planes, as Soekarno's …”

Allen Dulles covered_up Project Hake book_quoted ▶ 27:17

“He had not yet issued any such orders. John Foster Dulles attempted to prevent the American role in Indonesia from becoming public knowledge. This is very interesting and pay attention because this ha…”

CIA recruited Anthony Pasiphi book_quoted ▶ 29:45

“personally coordinated several columns converging on Padang. About two weeks later, a CIA seaplane reached Sumatra with the first actual troop training mission. Officers Anthony Pasiphi and James Haas…”

CIA recruited Pat Landry book_quoted ▶ 29:45

CIA recruited James Haig book_quoted ▶ 29:45

CIA trained Permesta book_quoted ▶ 29:45

Chicago Daily News exposed Project Hake book_quoted ▶ 31:10

“The incident with the plane forced to make an emergency landing in the Philippines created another problem. On March 8th, the Chicago Daily News published an article on American airdrops to the rebels…”

Permesta targeted_for_regime_change Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 34:10

“Alan Dulles, John Foster Dulles, remarked that the rebels might fight harder if they saw the prospects of actually being recognized. Should the CIA tell them the U.S. might accord recognition if they …”

CIA funded Air America host_asserted ▶ 35:10

“You can hire all the mercenaries you want, even though civil air transport is a CIA proprietary. Secretary Dulles suggested stronger intervention might be necessary. Without overt support of the rebel…”

Sukarno overthrew Permesta host_asserted ▶ 35:40

“The CIA came again with a green light to stage activities under the Soldier of Fortune rubric. Reporters at news conferences that day asked about diplomat recognition for the rebels. John Foster Dulle…”

Allen Dulles headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 37:03

“in Indonesia. They're definitely creative. Allen Dulles informed Foster on April 23rd that the rebels seemed to have no fight in them. Foster actually speculated on whether the U.S. should now switch …”

Anthony Profsini headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 37:34

“Anthony Profsini had already met Tibetan trainees, which were fierce partisans. Yeah, because the CIA trained them. Hold on just a second. I've got a situation here. Hold on just one second. Okay, sor…”

Hugh Cumming Jr. headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 40:01

“He had Marines and paratroopers and knew how to use them. The rebel colonels had nothing like that and weren't interested in being trained on how to do it, thanks to the CIA. The light weapons and amm…”

CIA trained Permesta host_asserted ▶ 40:01

CIA supplied_arms_to Permesta host_asserted ▶ 40:01

Sukarno headed Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 40:33

“recognizing the rebels as the actual government or a government. Then came the Battle of Padang and rebel defeat. Alan Dulles gave Foster details in a lunchtime call. Foster remarked that Sukarno's in…”

CIA funded Permesta host_asserted ▶ 41:32

“With the end on Sumatra, the rebel capital moved to Menando on another island. A most conspicuous facet remained the rebel air force, which is basically the CIA. Indonesian airmen generally stayed loy…”

Kuomintang member_of Permesta host_asserted ▶ 42:07

“So these backwoods rebels overnight had air capability to attack their government. Of course, they were all civil air transports. There were also Chinese nationalists, Polish people, and at least one …”

U.S. Air Force supplied_arms_to CIA host_asserted ▶ 42:42

“into the CIA as paramilitary. There were Filipino pilots at Clark Air Base. The U.S. Air Force in 1957 declared 73 B-26 bombers excess. And the Air Force paid to modify them for CIA use with UNI's mon…”

CIA funded U.S. Air Force host_asserted ▶ 42:42

Cecil Cartwright headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 43:17

“There's lots and lots of excess aircraft afterwards that the CIA gets their hands on. The U.S. Air Force refurbished the planes, adding heavy caliber machine guns to them. Agency officer Cecil Cartwri…”

William Bell member_of Air America host_asserted ▶ 43:49

“But the initial CIA airstrike came against Macassar in April 13th. Two B-26 bombers participated and one of them crashed, killing two Polish air crew members. The plane would be replaced, but not the …”

Alan Pope member_of Air America host_asserted ▶ 43:49

Richard M. Bissell Jr. headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 44:19

“Alan Pope and William Beale to fly the remaining B-26s. Filipino Antonio Didal and Rex Reyes flew P-51s. More than a dozen raids followed when the airmen seemed close to exhaustion. Richard Bissell ac…”

Allen Dulles recruited Carmine Vito host_asserted ▶ 44:19

Rex Reyes member_of Permesta host_asserted ▶ 44:19

Antonio Didal member_of Permesta host_asserted ▶ 44:19

William J. Polk headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 44:48

“Bono, the security breach of either of those had been captured would be enormous. For that very reason, they were never permitted to fly over land. Nationalist Chinese helped with air services, stayin…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Kuomintang host_asserted ▶ 44:48

CIA funded Kuomintang host_asserted ▶ 44:48

Kuomintang supplied_arms_to Permesta host_asserted ▶ 44:48

Allen Dulles covered_up Project Hake host_asserted ▶ 46:36

“of working for the rebels and later announced that he had sent Washington a name of the people they viewed, they had found out was involved. In response, President Eisenhower at a news conference talk…”

Alan Pope carried_out_attack Ambon host_asserted ▶ 47:29

“John Foster Dulles followed up the next day, saying the U.S. had no legal obligation to control American soldiers of fortune. Well, you could not pay them. Isn't that a form of control? The soldier of…”

Charles Cabell headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 48:29

“Washington knew of Pope's detention. General Cabell told John Foster Dulles the CIA had a lot of confidence in him, that there's no way that they could tie him to the U.S. or the CIA, because he had f…”

Alan Pope member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 48:29

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 49:01

“Despite the danger, they argued for another strike at the same target. Sukarno and Nasution were preparing the attack to the last rebel stronghold. Secretary Dulles shot back that either the rebels ha…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 49:01

Dwight D. Eisenhower ordered_assassination_of Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 49:01

CIA funded Allen Dulles host_asserted ▶ 49:32

“Why? Because he doesn't work for the United States government. He works for Standard Oil and all of the oligarchs. They want the oil and they want the gold and they all know it's there. 10 prick air r…”

Walter Robinson headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 49:32

CIA funded Standard Oil host_asserted ▶ 49:32

James Aggar headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 51:02

“risk overt intervention. Again, covert operations had run their course. Director Dulles reluctantly told John Mason's deputy, James Aglarum, we're going to pull the plug. Three successive headquarters…”

CIA covered_up Project Hake host_asserted ▶ 52:04

“Certain his pilots could stand up to torture, the CIA sanitized its B-26 bombers to prevent them being linked to U.S. inventories. And the pilots underwent strip searches to ensure they carried no inc…”

Sukarno overthrew Permesta host_asserted ▶ 53:29

“At the Far East 5 Division, Heard Allen Dulles used the phrase, we must disengage as the director ordered a stand down. The CIA phase for Permesta revolt ended with the fall of Manitou to Sukarno's fo…”

CIA funded Project Hake host_asserted ▶ 53:29

Desmond Fitzgerald succeeded Frank Wisner host_asserted ▶ 55:04

“with all of the stay-behind units, including Otto Skorzeny. Desmond Fitzgerald got the Far East Division chief's position. Even Alan Pope, tried in December in 1959 to a life sentence in Indonesia, wo…”

CIA recruited Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 55:04

Frank Wisner headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 55:04

Desmond Fitzgerald headed CIA host_asserted ▶ 55:04

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Guatemala host_asserted ▶ 58:30

“is they get themselves in a desperate position on land and then kind of bait like Bay of Pigs. That's what that whole thing was about. They execute a plan that has no way in hell of working. If it doe…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Iran host_asserted ▶ 58:30

CIA funded U.S. Navy host_asserted ▶ 59:27

“they were basically making the CIA stand on their own two feet. So what did you think indicated that they took over the military? Well, let's see, they jumped the gun, all right, before they were give…”

Dwight D. Eisenhower funded Project Hake host_asserted ▶ 59:27

CIA funded Operation 40 host_asserted ▶ 1:00:24

“So they were seeing a window closing and were trying to expedite the approval, but they got approval. And that's not to say they haven't done that, SR, to your point. They most certainly have done thi…”

Kermit Roosevelt carried_out_attack Operation 40 host_asserted ▶ 1:00:56

“He launched phase two, which happened to be successful, and then they heralded him as a hero. So they 100% disobey orders, to your point. All along? Yeah, Colonel. There's an excellent book by the Aus…”

Gregory Poling exposed Project Hake book_quoted ▶ 1:01:30

“And it describes the situation in 1958. And again, in 1963, the Indonesian coup happened in effect in Dallas, Texas, because the policy was changed 180 degrees from the JFK assassination, which produc…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Iran host_asserted ▶ 1:02:27

“Their situation in Iraq between 58 and 63 with a sort of phased rocket. Parks designed to play roles during certain years. Like in Iraq, you know, they could see government, you know, foil, you know, …”

Saudis founded OPEC host_asserted ▶ 1:02:59

“It stymied the growth of pan-Arabism and enabled the Saudis to form OPEC against their own populations of the Arab Middle East. But also here in Indonesia, the same thing is happening in 1958 to 1963 …”

CIA funded OPEC host_asserted ▶ 1:02:59

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Congo host_asserted ▶ 1:08:32

“Different from the CIA that assassinated him, this is kind of like the core unifying concept of those differences, whether it be Cuba, Vietnam, Congo, Indonesia, Brazil, that, you know, economic natio…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Cuba host_asserted ▶ 1:08:32

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 1:08:32

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Brazil host_asserted ▶ 1:08:32

Sukarno member_of Non-Aligned Movement host_asserted ▶ 1:09:50

“in the non-aligned movement. I mean, if you look at what Bricks was trying to do in modern time, Sukarno was one of the most vocal leaders of that effort back in the 1950s. He wanted people to be able…”