Operation Gladio - Vietnam Phoenix Program and beyond

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0:00 Hey, y'all. So glad to see everybody here today. Hello, hello, hello. How's your chicken? Well, they haven't actually went in their house. So I had never been over, just for everybody that's listening, I got five chickens today. So I have my own in-house. But we have one of those that looks like the little...

0:30 playhouse that has the cage built all around it. And it's got like wheels on one end so you can get it and move it so you can clean it. And I just assumed like I have a niece and nephew that does chickens and my niece had just bought some cows. And so they decided to get rid of their chickens because my nephew, her brother has chickens as well. And so he has a normal chicken house like I do.

0:57 So I just assumed she did, too. And I went over there and basically what she had was one of those ginormous dog kennel like things. And she had this big barrel, like not a barrel, a feeder, like a trough feeder. Only it's like the.

1:17 round, like three foot round. And they had hay in the bottom of it. That's where the chickens roosted. They got in there and laid their eggs. I mean, it's just this big barrel in the middle of this dog kennel. And up to the side, they've got the water and the feeder. And they, like I said, they were getting rid of all their chickens. And so they had five. So I took them all. And I'm like, oh, well, they're going to love my house.

1:47 they've never actually been in a roost. They won't go in the little house. They're all under it. Yeah, you're going to have to teach them. Well, I put some okra, like I tore it in pieces and like put it up the steps and then I put some on the inside. So hopefully they'll figure that out in a couple of days. I imagine so. But anyway, one more nail in the coffin of the...

2:21 big stores and the horrible food. Yeah. I'm, I'm getting rid of all of it. So I want to be able to eat my own stuff. Yeah. So anyway, um, I'm getting back to so much, so much. Um, and it's like, every time I read any of this stuff, there's like, um,

3:01 five more articles that I find that I want to share because of the relevance of it to our overall conversation here. So I'm going to return to our roots in that we started this whole journey doing book reviews. And I have a couple of...

3:30 books that I have found. And one of them, and it also is going to be a lesson in how you can read an author that you don't really care for, the author themselves, because they're very much a left-leaning author. But I went back.

3:58 a couple of days ago and was looking through all of the stuff that I have on the Phoenix program that I've read and Vietnam in general. And I kept coming back to this book and I didn't really want to do the whole book, but because I've read it and actually highlighted it already, it's probably going to be a couple of days worth of going through. And the author is very interesting. He's actually on X. You can look him up.

4:28 But interacting with him is very caustic. I'll just go ahead and warn you of that. He is a diehard, just short of socialist, if he's not actually a socialist. His name is Douglas Valentine. But having said that, he, for a really weird reason, was given unfeathered access to the CIA.

4:56 through some acquaintances. And he flew over to Vietnam because one of the holes in his, he's written a couple of books about Vietnam. It's an area of his expertise. And one of the holes that he found that he had in the overall story was there were several CIA officers that

5:26 were too afraid to come back to the United States because of things that they had done, that they would be held accountable, and or they had jobs that were running front companies for the CIA that didn't lend themselves for them to come back, and they married locals over there, and they just decided to live over there.

5:53 He got on a plane and went over there and he's been over there several times talking to interviewing and just being around these people to learn the real inside story of how the whole thing went down. So again, he has talked to people that were on the inside of this. So he is a very unique.

6:23 perspective in this. Is Cousin It here yet? Yes, she did go to. There she is. All right. Let me go ahead and bring her up and we'll get started. All right. So, and I'm going to give you an example because it's right at the beginning of this book. And the book by Douglas Valentine is called Pisces Moon, The Dark Art of Empire.

6:57 And that kind of, to me, when I read that, I'm like, oh, shit, he's into the whole, you know. Anyway, I just thought that was a weird name for a book, but whatever. It had to do with his dad. His dad was over in Vietnam, and that's why he's very passionate about that. So we'll give him a break on that. Here's one of the very first sentences in the first chapter.

7:28 Only veterans are deemed worthy of socialized medicine, even though there's enough wealth for everyone in America to have it. So he very much is a socialist. And what he doesn't know, because he's not a veteran, is the VA experiments on people without their knowledge. They leave people laying dead in beds in there for days.

7:58 which has already been documented. And the VA medical care, and while some VAs are ran very differently than others, overall, it sucks. I can tell you. They give you a pill for everything. And I could talk all day on a whole diatribe about the VA, but he's envious of bad medical care. I'll just leave it at that.

8:28 So he talks about the fact that the CIA keeps a file on him because of the amount of investigations that he has done and the people that he has talked to. And he also goes on to say things like the U.S. and

9:04 France through, and of course the UK was involved in some of this over in Cambodia and Laos, but primarily the US and France did some really crazy things in Vietnam. He talks about a guy, one of the very first guys on this trip he talks to is a guy by the name of Lay Hing, L-A-Y H-I-N-G.

9:36 This is why I just think this is so relevant to this, given all of the stuff that we've studied. Because he starts off describing Lei Ying, saying that he joined the Sandinista revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed dictator called Somoza in 1979.

10:00 The U.S., however, needed to purge the Vietnam Syndrome from its wounded warrior soul and the Soviet-backed communist governments in our quote-unquote backyard, as President Reagan put it. Provided the U.S. military with a pretext to reestablish its honor, this required suppressing a popular liberation movement.

10:24 in an impoverished tiny country through brutal economic psychological warfare. It was basically stake-sponsored terrorism. And he's not wrong, but you can understand the way that he writes would rub somebody wrong if they don't know what we already know. He goes on to say that suddenly they had too much to lose by reporting news that would upset their corporate and government sponsors.

10:54 And of course, that's the same stuff that we've been talking about, because everything that the military is told to do or that the CIA is told to do is done because of corporate sponsorship. And that's why I found this guy intriguing, because he knows all of this stuff. He's just very far towards the socialist side of the aisle.

11:19 He goes on to say, I talked about the CIA officers who had exported Phoenix from South Vietnam to Latin America and about whom I had written in a book about the Phoenix program. And we're going to get to that because I have that book, too. My host hadn't heard about his book. And so he began telling him about.

11:47 the guy that featured prominently in the Phoenix program, Donald Gregg and Rudy Enders. He goes on to explain that Donald Gregg, and let me just tell you guys, this is how overlapping these are. Donald Gregg is the guy that worked for Vice President Bush during the Iran-Contra. We've already covered him. He was Felix Rodriguez's boss.

12:15 in Vice President Bush's office that ran the entire Iran-Contra affair. So Donald Gregg is in Vietnam and was part of the management of the Phoenix program. So he goes on to explain a little bit about Donald Gregg, and he says that he was the son of a YMCA higher up that...

12:46 used the YMCA as basically a front for nefarious activities. And it says, the Senate made war legal, priests made it sacred, and the officer corps made it a rite of passage to be exalted into manhood for the duly indoctrinated product of a

13:18 sports club-like atmosphere. Once private businesses learned how profitable it was, training for and waging wars became America's way of life, as it had in England, where the YMCA was created. Greg's CIA service and devotion to the American way resulted in President George H.W. Bush

13:43 naming him as an ambassador to South Korea from 1989 to 1993. Greg's daughter carried on the family tradition by marrying a writer by the name of Christopher Buckley, who was also a Skull and Bones guy, and the son of CIA officer William Buckley Jr., who was also a Skull and Bones.

14:14 also the guy who told African-American author James Baldwin in their famous debate in 1965 that it would be immoral to desegregate the South. Chris Buckley served as a speechwriter for Vice President Bush. So Greg's daughters, Greg worked for Vice President Bush. His daughter,

14:42 is married to Vice President Bush's speechwriter. Got to keep them close. Chris' article that he wrote, one of his articles that he wrote, signaled that the neoconservative propagandists were harnessing the resentment of the masses that felt toward the anti-war left and the liberal press, which had, quote unquote, lost Vietnam.

15:11 And we're combining that with Reagan's infamous Southern strategy, meaning in South America, to bolster the neocon movement. Rambo, the movie, had premiered that same year, further exploiting the MIA POW conspiracy, which happened to be coming in vogue at the time. Let's see. Rudy Enders, the other guy, came from a lesser class.

15:41 but had the same values as Greg. He was a graduate of the Maritime Academy. Enders had been a Navy diver in 1961 when the CIA recruited him to run maritime operations against Cuba. Enders was assigned to Vietnam in 65 and stayed for many years. Enders met Greg in 1970 when Greg was assigned as the CIA officer in charge of the provinces surrounding Saigon.

16:11 from the coast that stretched over to the Cambodian border. Enders became Gregg's deputy for all paramilitary operations. Enders had ended up at the National War College, where he taught CIA black arts to field grade officers. Daniel Sheehan was an agent of Cuban intelligence, and Sheehan

16:39 was then a social activist attorney for the Christic Institute, a public interest law firm that he co-founded in 1979 with his wife and a Jesuit priest. After the successful conclusion of his case on the Karen Silkwood case, he became famous. Sheehan and the Christics had a string of high-profile cases that

17:07 dealt with Catholic workers providing sanctuary to refugees that were fleeing the counterinsurgency that the CIA was doing under the direction of Rudy Enders. And they had been directing and funding it. It was headquartered in Washington, D.C., this Christic Institute, and had been receiving donations from grassroots donors.

17:37 And he goes on to explain this is how he ended up on the good side of the CIA. Because during this lawsuit, they actually named Richard Secord, who was in the Iran-Contra story, and Ted Shackley, who is in every story. And basically...

18:04 They had made some errors in the actual lawsuit. So the judge found against Christic Institute and then made them pay damages to Secord and all of the actual criminals. And so in order to pay the damages, Bruce Springsteen, Bonnie Raitt, and Jackson Brown held a concert, raised funds to pay.

18:33 this Christic Institute's legal fees. And what happens then is he gets, this author gets asked to write a book about the whole thing and he declines. And because he declined, that kind of gave him street cred with the CIA. And he's used that to his advantage.

19:07 Enders says, our main job was to keep rockets from raining on Saigon. And he went on to explain that he and Greg identified the hunted and hunted the Liberation Army guerrillas with the assistance of, and he makes an appearance in every story, Felix Rodriguez.

19:31 the grave-robbing anti-Castro Cuban who had tracked and helped murder Che Cavera in Bolivia in 1967 and was taken Che's wristwatch as a trophy because it was a Rolex. In early 1971, the three CIA officers located the guerrilla hideout. To put it bluntly, their tactics were the same as a Gestapo or...

19:58 SS tactic that the Germans used against the French resistance. I guess he doesn't know about Operation Gladio because that's where all of it comes from. It was standard Phoenix program operating procedures, which they rebranded as their quote-unquote pink plan, which is like for red commies. So it was like communism light for use in Latin America.

20:25 Greg had worked under William Colby in the CIA Far East Division from 1961 to 64 as chief of the Vietnam desk at the CIA headquarters. When Colby became director of the CIA in 73, he promoted Greg to the CIA's executive management staff. Greg was the quintessential.

20:46 Company man. Colby asked him to be the liaison to the congressional committees investigating the CIA's illegal activities called the Family Jewels and its role in assassinations. Congressman Otis Pike wanted to abolish the CIA. So on Colby's behalf, Gregg presented Pike an ultimatum. Quote, back off or the military will take over secret intelligence operations and you'll even have less oversight.

21:17 Unquote. Colby's public confessions and tough bargaining behind the scenes succeeded. The CIA was spared and Greg's career went upwards. When George H.W. Bush succeeded Colby as the director of the CIA in 1976, Greg moved on to Bush's staff. And in 1981,

21:42 Obviously, he was hired as Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor, because that's where we found him in our other story for the Iran-Contra. Rudy Enders, assigned as Chief of the CIA Special Operations Division to oversee covert paramilitary, i.e. Operation Gladio, political and psychological warfare worldwide. Enders, in turn, hired Felix Rodriguez as his deputy. Together,

22:12 Greg Enders and Rodriguez presented their updated pink plan to Bush. On Richard Secord's behalf, Enders and Rodriguez also arranged airdrops of Israeli weapons to the CIA secret army in Nicaragua, the drug-smuggling Contras who had terrorized Mondro's young wife. This was Phoenix in Central America.

22:41 And the author goes on to say, I had written to Greg in 1987 at Colby's suggestion, then serving on Bush's staff as his national security advisor. Greg called him at home one day and caught me entirely by surprise. He said, I got your letter asking for an interview. The vice president is overseas and I had nothing to do today. Do you want to talk? And he says, why would they?

23:13 Well, never mind about that part. So he says, it all started, I explained, when Colby agreed to help me write the book that is dedicated to the Phoenix program. That and him having met with Richard Helms. Richard Helms hated Colby for giving away the family jewels. But even a vengeful Helms clicked.

23:43 had to admit that Roman Catholic Colby was CIA royalty, bathed in the blood of the Lamb. As an OSS officer, Colby had parachuted into occupied France and fought Germany behind the scenes in France. He had also helped out in Italy. And Colby, as the chief director of CIA during the CIA's greatest ever crisis,

24:11 had basically shouldered the yoke of the cross. That's how they view him inside the CIA. Well, not everybody, because he ends up dead. But anyway, another quote, our people in the Philippine Congress are handling that, which was something Colby said when they were basically overthrowing the Philippine hierarchy, because Colby was there too.

24:42 when they installed Marcos. So these guys, and that's why I really liked this book, because this guy put all of the stuff that we've talked about in perspective. So going on, and he puts all of these players in all of these other places. So when we get to the part about Phoenix, you're going to understand just how pervasive all of this crap is.

25:15 So it talks about when Colby became chief of the Far East Division, a guy by the name of Evan Parker Jr., whose contribution to the CIA political and psychological warfare theory was to separate counterterrorism from counterinsurgency. Working with the military special forces, Parker created a dedicated counterterror unit within the...

25:45 Special Operations Division, and it became an elite special operations group and cross-trained paramilitary officers that was known as low-intensity warfare. Enders and Gregg looked up to Parker with great respect. Having served in the OSS Detachment 101, Parker was there at the conception of the CIA.

26:15 Like Colby, he was one of less than 100 Americans trained with the OSS Jedbergs in Scotland. And the Jedbergs was the stay-behind units from the UK. See how this all overlaps? He was sent to Burma in 1945. And 1945 would have been the end of the World War II. And who do we know that went to Burma? Well, let's keep reading.

26:46 He then led a band of opium-smoking, Christianized guerrillas against retreating Japanese forces. He'd been in combat, interrogated prisoners, and served as a liaison officer with British commando units. After the war, Burma was central to the CIA's attempt to subvert the People's Republic of China, Mao.

27:14 And it's no surprise that the officers like Parker, who had served there, arose to senior positions eventually in the CIA's Far East Division. As a crown colony under British rule, Burma was strategically important because it provided an overland route from Allied headquarters in Britain's colony, India, to the Allied troops fighting the Japanese in China.

27:45 Allied forces in the China-Burma-India Theater were under the command of Lord Lewis Montbatten. And we talked about that. I think I was posting about that the other day. He held the title First Earl Montbatten of Burma, a made-up name. And Allied Chinese forces under the KMT, Chiang Kai-shek,

28:14 were operating in Burma under Monbatten's supervision. How crazy is that? To the consternation of the Americans, Lord Monbatten and Chiang Kai-shek agreed that their armies and agents were free to operate in Thailand and Indochina, then a country, Vietnam, and that any land taken from the Japanese belonged to the taker.

28:44 You know, because the UK just has the authority to give people's shit away that they don't own. Such land grabbing was not unprecedented, but it still wasn't something that was normally done, at least in the 1960s timeframe. Obviously something that was done like in the 1800s. An expert in jungle warfare, fluent in French,

29:13 Parker visited Vietnam in 1952 to offer CIA assistance to a guy by the name of Roger Trinquier. And I'm going to spell that name because it's a French name. T-R-I-N-Q-U-I-E-R. He was a French counterinsurgency expert and wrote a book called Modern Warfare, A French View of Counterinsurgency in 1964, because, of course, they were conducting it in Vietnam.

29:43 So it goes on to talk about, in a subsequent chapter, a thing called the Troubles. The Troubles resurfaced in the late 1960s when the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland began, and I know I'm going a circuitous route, but trust me, this all gets us to the destination.

30:10 Because this explains a whole bunch. They resurfaced in Northern Ireland and began to protest police brutality and discrimination imposed by a Protestant majority. The British Army, backed by the Loyalist militias in 1971, began interning our...

30:34 excuse me, IRA paramilitaries and their sympathizers under the same administrative detention laws that provided the legal basis for the Phoenix program. So here you have, because we've already established that the IRA and all of that activity up there was basically a gladio operation to destabilize the UK in order for them to overthrow the government there and get a new guy in.

31:02 And it actually did work. And every time someone they didn't like got into office in the UK, they started that shit. And it was basically Operation Gladio in practice in the UK. And this is in the 1970s. So people don't realize that the Phoenix program has been used repeatedly since Vietnam. And again, that's...

31:31 There's a lot of nuggets in here, despite the fact that the guy's very left. The troubles resurfaced in 1979 when Irish Republicans planted a bomb aboard Montbatten's yacht, killing him and one of his grandsons. It was an act of terrorism. The Brits were still lamenting about when I was in London, the author. The troubles worsened when the death.

32:02 by starvation of Robert Bobby Sands in 1981. Sands was a leading hunger striker in the maze and internment facilities that the Brits had created on an Air Force base in 1971, specifically for IRA paramilitary. Sands' martyrdom brought international attention to the plight of the Catholics in Northern Ireland and was an inspiration.

32:30 for Irish Catholics to struggle for freedom. Just like Thich Quang Duc, the monk who emulated himself at the Hue in June 1963, it inspired millions of persecuted Buddhists across South Vietnam to join the ranks with the communists and nationalists against the fascist Catholic priests.

32:58 known den dem, which was installed by us. For their part, the Brits followed the lead of Prime Minister Thatcher, a callous, he calls her Attila the Hen. In the process, the British race once again came to represent the

33:25 Sadistic Part of the Imperial Conquest and Domination. He goes on to say that the Catholics were the underdog in Ireland and that he had met several of them there. So he had a lot of inside information. But just us reading.

33:53 the stuff when we were talking about England and the bomb blast there, it was apparent exactly what was going on there. Just using the terms that we already know and looking at the people that had been raised in the Jedburgh Gladio units of the UK and their roles in the operations in that area.

34:23 It was crystal clear what was actually going on there. He goes on to talk about a guy by the name of John Kelly, who had formerly been known as John Roberts. And he was investigating one of his friends, Kate Kelly.

34:56 was investigating a story that involved the diamond traffic between Israel and South Africa and how they had had a conversation with one of the Russian generals that was in Vietnam and that he knew everything about all of that stuff. And they found that completely amazing because, and I have to tell you, one of the most fascinating things.

35:28 when we were in Vietnam was we spent way more time in North Vietnam than we did in the South. And so we were, we went out every night because we wanted to eat on the local, you know, towns that we were, we went to Nha Phong Harbor and a whole bunch of different areas around Hanoi.

36:00 And as a result of that, everywhere we went, we saw Russians. And I'm like, what the hell? Why are there so many Russians here? And come to find out, a lot of them had came in after the Tet Offensive. And they loved Vietnam so much, they married locals and stayed there.

36:28 And a lot of them knew how to speak English. And so every night we would go out and we'd meet all these Russian guys. And of course, you know, once they find out that we were military, they would want to have drinking contests with the guys to see who could drink more. And you can't out drink a Russian. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you. That was the craziest thing ever. I just was, it's just one of those things that you don't expect.

36:57 It's kind of like going to a Chinese restaurant in Italy and looking at an obviously Oriental person. And you're expecting them, like here, when they talk among themselves, you expect them to speak in an Oriental language. And when they start speaking Italian, it like is one of those mental disconnects for you. You're like, your whole brain blows up.

37:26 I don't know why that's weird, but it's just weird. Okay, so he goes on and says that there was a book by Jim Hogan, H-O-U-G-A-N, called Spooks, The Haunting of America, The Private Use of Secret Agents. And I definitely need to buy that book. I do not have that book yet.

37:51 Spooks was a pioneering study on how American political parties use private investigators. More often, they are former CIA military or civilians having worked for the CIA. They do oppo research. And Hoogan had showcased three CIA officers. And these guys, we've heard one of the three.

38:20 And that's Lucien Koning. And he's the guy that was the French officer that was in the CIA that helped Nixon get rid of the entire Corsican mafia. Because he was a member of the Corsican mafia. John Muldoon, M-U-L-D-O-O-N, and a guy by the name of Walter Mackem, M-A-C-K-E-M.

38:47 And the author, Doug, had interviewed all of these people. And Hugen said that in the later years of the Vietnam War, dozens of CIA officers, including Koenig and Mackham, were infiltrated into the DEA. And Koenig, on behalf of the Nixon White House, commanded a secret unit called the Dirty Dozen. They were composed of 12 CIA agents based in the Dirty Dozen.

39:18 outside of the DEA headquarters in the office of a private investigative firm Muldoon had established in Washington, D.C. for the CIA. The Dirty Dozen targeted Latin American drug smugglers using the Phoenix program's kidnapping and assassination approach. The CIA unstated plan was to take over the entire drug business of South America, which we know they did.

39:47 And it was called Operation Condor. So he goes on to say that Spooks was one of the main reasons why he went to Thailand originally to start talking to some of the CIA agents about the Golden Triangle drug business, because that was this guy, Doug Valentine's first exposure to realizing what the CIA was really up to in using drugs to pay for black ops.

40:18 He goes on to say in the next chapter that Frankowicz, F-R-A-N-C-O-V-I-C-H, moved around in all of the underworld drug networks. He'd also been investigating the CIA longer than Doug Valentine's.

40:44 And he wrote a documentary called Inside the CIA on company business. And it came out in 1980. It featured interviews with people like CIA officer Phil Agee, who is a guy who now lives abroad because he can't come back to the United States because he told too many CIA secrets, and John Stockwell. The documentary won several different awards.

41:14 And basically said he in the in the book, the documentary, it explained how financiers in New York and London subverted democracy and established a fascist empire called on company business was not beloved by either the US or the UK.

41:44 I have that book. I haven't read it yet. But you see how all of this plays into everything that we've already learned. But again, I just find it interesting that they don't use the actual names. Frankovich also made a documentary called The Houses Are Full of Smoke about the CIA's subversion of Guatemala, El Salvador, and Nicaragua. Basically, the Contra deal.

42:12 And he had conducted a whole bunch of interviews with CIA officers about that as well. And let's see. Moving on. He talks about a film that was called The Hotel Tacloban, T-A-C-L-O-B-A-N, that, let's see.

42:43 What they call in the industry catch and kill. Frankovich would move on to produce the documentary Gladio in 1992, which by exposing the Italian state's fascist security links to the CIA, had organized an armed secret militia in anticipation of the Italian people voting in left of center people.

43:11 Gladio would slam the CIA as the biggest source of terror in Europe. Alan Frankovich died under mysterious circumstances. Now you know why people don't talk about this shit. In 1997 at the Houston airport while in custody of U.S. customs official. He was scheduled to testify at a hearing for Lester Coleman, a former DIA employee and author of the book,

43:42 On the Trail of the Octopus, Coleman at the time was in federal prison in Atlanta. At the time of his death, Allen was also working with the attorney William Pepper on a documentary film about James Earl Ray, the confessed killer of Martin Luther King. Pepper was Ray's attorney and had come to believe that Ray's confession was coerced and that Ray was innocent. Pepper would hire me based on a short passage.

44:11 that I wrote in the book, The Phoenix Program. The passage quoted an army sergeant who'd been in Phoenix and had told me that military intelligence kept the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. under constant surveillance and that agents watched and took photos while King hired assassin, moved into position, took aim, fired, and walked away.

44:35 The author eventually located and interviewed one of the two men who was surveilling King from the roof of the fire department, overlooking both the motel where King was killed and the rooming house from which Ray allegedly fired the fatal shot. But the man I interviewed, meaning the author, who had been with the military intelligence unit in Memphis, could not identify the other man on the roof.

45:02 The other man was credentialed as an agent of a military intelligence group in San Antonio. Never identified, perhaps he was the CIA officer posing as a military man. Like the FBI, the CIA hated King, and the U.S. government was no doubt part of the assassination plot, as the jury I testified before agreed. So, there it is. Moving on.

45:33 He also got set up just like the author did. When he made his trip over here, they did the exact same thing to this author that they did to George Papadopoulos. He was asked if he would carry $10,000 in cash to a BBC producer in Saigon.

45:54 And so you know what would happen when he gets to the airport, they'll arrest him for basically money laundering with that money. And that's exactly what they did to George Papadopoulos. I found that part very interesting too. And he basically goes into the whole setup on how they work that. Another part he talks about,

46:26 is in that guy, the author Hogan's book, The Spooks. And he also wrote another one called Secret Agenda in 1984, which offered a completely different account of how Watergate went down. According to Hogan, the CIA controlled the plumbers and sabotaged the break-in in a way of sinking Richard Nixon, which we've heard that quite often.

46:53 But what he said was, when I met Hugen in London, he had recently formed a private investigation firm with an author, Sally Denton. Hugen seemed capable of anything. In 1993, he even managed to meet and interview three top Hezbollah leaders in Lebanon. Let's move on. It says...

47:25 The big problem facing Americans then and now inspires with the CIA. That would be not news to us. To have access to CIA officials, main editors and reporters suppress and distort stories. The CIA officers leak stories to reporters that they either blackmail or have a rapport with.

47:52 By spreading CIA and military disinformation, the media elite helped create the realm of alternative facts that exist today, in which many politicians take advantage of. And there's another thing called the Fifth Estate, which is a group of scholars and concerned citizens and investigators dedicated to curbing the...

48:22 CIA's influence in the U.S. In response to revelations about the CIA's role at Watergate, a guy by the name of Meller and his co-conspirators at the Fifth Estate joined forces with three anti-war Vietnam veterans, Perry Bellwalk, Tim Butts, and Bart Osborne, who had formed the Committee for Action Research on Intelligence Community.

48:50 called CARIC, C-A-R-I-C. And they are the ones that came up with a magazine called Counterspy, which debuted in 1974. Those were some hard times for the CIA because based on this network, they were able to expose many different things. This is where

49:15 Dispatch News Service had exposed the CIA's involvement in drug trafficking in Southeast Asia. In 1972, Al McCoy's book, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, and I'm about halfway through that book, that's a very big book, presented hard evidence that the CIA godfatherly role in the dirty business of drug smuggling.

49:40 By 1975, revelations were exploding everywhere as the Church and Pike committees exposed many CIA misdeeds. CIA's research and behavior modification was part of the exposure.

50:10 movements around the world. To that end, counter-spies staffed, compiled, and revealed the names of active duty CIA officers in the winter of 1975. All hell broke loose when one of them, Richard Welch, was assassinated shortly after that. The reverberations was still being felt today. Now, let me just tell you what happened with Richard Welch. He was in Greece, and

50:42 He was a sacrificial lamb. This had nothing to do with the exposure. They used that exposure to, because this is at the same time the church and the pike mission was going on and the family jewels were being exposed. And so they basically contributed to this guy's death. He's a sacrificial lamb.

51:10 And they used his death then to shut down the Church Commission and the Pike Commission and nothing was ever done because they said they told everybody the whole media. I mean, there's an entire media campaign. You can go back and look at articles written about it that the only reason that CIA officer was assassinated was because the Church Commission was really revealing too much and the Pike Commission was revealing too much. They had to be shut down.

51:38 the people were going to get killed. And so they used that as a way of dodging a bullet. Okay. So there also talks about when the counter-spy came under so much heat, a bunch of their staff left with Phil Agee and created the covert action information bulletin. And we've used those.

52:15 guys as sources a lot for this because they're one of the very few publications that actually covers Operation Gladio stuff. So we've used covert action information bulletin a lot. Both magazines continued to swing away in February of 1979. Counterspy revealed the names of nine CIA officers it claimed were plotting to overthrow the government of Iran.

52:46 in part foretelling the seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran. Always happy to exploit a crisis, the CIA used the embassy seizure and the naming of the CIA officers and their covert operations exposure in those two publications as a pretext to create the Agents Identity Act, which made releasing their names criminal.

53:15 activity. It was passed in 1982. Oh, look at that. Just in time to protect the Reagan and Vice President Bush administration and Iran-Contra. Weird how that works out. Moving on. So there's a guy that he talks about a couple of times in here, which is a very interesting guy.

54:04 His name is Andy Weir, W-E-I-R. And he talks about the first time that he saw this guy, he was wearing Proud Boy gear. And he was supposedly a CIA officer. So I found that very interesting as well. Then he goes on to talk about...

54:33 a guy by the name of Andy McKevitt, M-C-K-E-V-I-T-T, who was a follower of a guy by the name of James Connolly. James Connolly was a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. He was also the founder of the Irish Socialist Republican Party and co-founder of the English Citizen Army.

55:05 When Andy arrived in New York City in 1930, he joined the Communist Party. Because you know that's what people do. Bridget, are you taking care of Cousinette? She got dropped. I can't drop her. If you can. I dropped her. I dropped her. Thank you. And it talks about this guy meeting at one of the Communist Party's meetings.

55:38 his future wife. And they end up working together as part of the Phoenix program. And he does a fairly good job of kind of laying out how all of these people's craws pass.

56:10 And he also goes on to say that a guy by the name of Donald Freed, who, let's see, in August 1986 review of a book called Los Angeles Times, Donald Freed noted that myths carry the day despite evidence to the contrary.

56:38 about the Phoenix program. And he said that it was largely because of CIA projects that have to do with public education, which is basically propaganda. And it says that the BBC and Andy Weir agreed that he had been hired for specifically obtaining the CIA's blessing and promoting like crazy stories.

57:10 And so it says where, let's see, he talks about a author who wrote In Search of Enemies, John Stockwell, that had quit one of the documentary projects in disgust when he found out that basically the documentary was going to be used to hide the information about Operation Phoenix and not expose it.

57:46 And he lists a whole bunch of them, but basically just making the point that a lot of the stuff that you see that supposedly documentaries are actually CIA propaganda. He also described former CIA officer Frank Snepp, S-N-E-P-P, as a weed killer.

58:09 for having denounced anything that damages Bush, as well as the October surprise conspiracy, alleging that Reagan administration used the Iran hostage crisis to steal the 1980 election from Jimmy Carter. Snepp had gone retro too. In his book, Decent Interval, he chronicled the CIA in noble withdrawal from Vietnam. And in retaliation, the CIA had sued him and ever since conflicted.

58:39 Frank Snepp apparently put his tail between his leg and basically backed off of exposing the CIA in anything that they did. So Dither says that another guy by the name of Nelson Brickham, who had written about the Phoenix program, said that

59:10 He didn't like the Phoenix Program book that this author wrote because it was too revealing. And basically, Brickham threatened to sue Douglas Valentine because it made his book look bad because Valentine exposed so much more than he did. So Brickham actually said to Doug Valentine that he was going to sue him because Doug Valentine told too many of the truths.

59:39 You just can't make that shit up. And that's why I find it very interesting in looking through these books, because I read probably four or five books for every one book that I find credible for reasons like that. You can get little nuggets out of them, but they're not worth doing a book review over because it's just a couple of nuggets. So I just make note of them and move on to other ones.

1:00:10 Okay, so he goes on to talk about, he really has a heart on for Bush, let me tell you, because he goes on to talk about the whole Saddam Hussein poisoning enemies, shooting cabinet ministers, and during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s.

1:00:41 how basically the U.S. funded the Iraq side, the Israelis were funding the Iran side, and then you had, in the middle of all of that, us actually funding through Israel the Iranian side in order to take that money and pay for helping the Contras. That's how crazy all of that stuff was.

1:01:11 He goes on to say that you realize that's what the Phoenix program tried to do, which was basically overthrow a government and subdue an entire population. And Doug Valentine says to the guy that he's talking to, kill everyone that helped manage the insurgency in Vietnam.

1:01:40 And Doug reminded this guy that the CIA had killed tens of thousands of innocent bystanders to achieve the elusive and illusionary gold. And that every time the CIA killed one member of the shadow government, someone else took their place. And this guy says, well, Saddam Hussein still deserved to die. And he says for shooting missiles at Israel was a crime of biblical proportions.

1:02:11 And he's basically kind of making fun of this guy who justifies killing one set of people while defending another set of people as if there's a hierarchy on who gets to live and who gets to die. And so he goes through an entire area of basically that's the way these people think. I'm not going to read the whole thing to you, but I do think it's important to understand.

1:02:40 how they rationalize in their head what they're doing. So, all right, moving on. Did she get back in, Bridget? Oh, there she is. I see her. I'm going to bring her back up. All right. All right. So he goes on to talk about, I don't know if you guys have ever read anything about the Khmer Rouge, which is the Cambodia.

1:03:20 And basically, Vietnam kind of ran over into Cambodia. A lot of the same people were in the mix as far as the officers. And there was a lot of crossover, if you will. And I did want to point out a couple of things for you researchers out there. Who's got their mic off?

1:03:49 Oh, I think Cousin Nick does. Okay. All right. So some of the people, I'm not going to read about them, but I do want you to have their names in case you guys are doing your own research. Some of the people that were part of this was Ray Klein, who was the CIA deputy director. Another one was a group.

1:04:14 It was a joint U.S.-British CIA military operation called the Kampuchea Working Group, K-A-M-P-U-C-H-E-A. And it basically trained Cambodian resistance units in Malaysia. The group worked in Thailand under Task Force 838, which became...

1:04:42 which was ran out of a CIA base that was just four miles from the Cambodian western border. And that there were three anti-Vietnamese resistant factions that were trained in psychological warfare, sabotage, subversion, interrogation, assassination, and espionage.

1:05:04 Because we've already been to South America on this journey, you recognize all of those exact same things were the same curriculum that was taught out of the School of Americas. And the government used them in order to subdue anybody that stood up against a fascist government with the help of the U.S. and the CIA. So it also talked about the U.S. Information Services, which is basically a CIA front.

1:05:34 And the officer Frank Scotton, S-C-O-T-T-O-N, who basically developed a psychological information warfare program for South Vietnam. And it says Frank Scotton was one of five people that Colby personally referred to the author, Doug Valentine, to be interviewed.

1:06:04 Scotton had just completed a tour of duty in Turkey. Oh, no kidding. Turkey. Biggest Gladio operation ever. And was moving into a house in Virginia. That's where they met. He was a graduate of American University. Scotton had been one of Colby's most trusted aides when Colby ran the Civil Operations and Revolutionary Development Program in South Vietnam in 1968 to 71. When Doug interviewed him, Scotton, for the first time,

1:06:33 In 1988, he was stationed at Fort Bragg and was helping on behalf of the U.S. Information Services, i.e. CIA, to organize the military's shiny new Special Operations Command. During the interview, he boasted that he had recently taken his son on patrol in Cambodia out of the CIA base.

1:06:56 And he also said that they were interested in the recruitment of refugees for the Cambodian resistance. He had a memo from a researcher saying that the State Department officer Lionel Rosenblatt had been involved in all of it. Rosenblatt, in fact, had contributed to Doug Valentine's book because he had worked as a foreign officer, a foreign service officer at the State Department.

1:07:24 He had served in the Phoenix program in several positions from December 1967 to 69. His last post was at the State Department as a liaison officer in Saigon to top security and military officers overseeing the South Vietnamese portion of the program. In effect, he was doing what Greg and Enders did, hunting down people and killing them, but only on a national level, not at a village level.

1:07:53 He was also recruiting double agents. Although portrayed as a humanitarian, Rosenblatt had been involved in the most inhumane work imaginable. And again, he's there under the State Department's Information Agency or Service. Every single thing that they set up in the theater.

1:08:17 During these wars, all of those NGOs and everything, they're all basically CIA fronts. In April 1975, Rosenblatt and Frank Scotten were part of a special unit that smuggled high-ranking South Vietnamese secret police officers out of Saigon. 16 years later, Rosenblatt was the vice president of Refugees International, a CIA front organization.

1:08:47 The Vietnamese had withdrawn their forces from Cambodia, but the Americans and the Brits continued to recruit agents to conduct covert actions against them with guys like Rosenblatt, who was championed by the New York Times as having done so much for the Vietnamese. Okay, so moving on.

1:09:23 I know that's probably a good place to stop because where we're going to get to next is tying in some outside organizations that basically helped establish the CIA or the Phoenix program. And it's going to tie in, weirdly enough, all of the Middle East.

1:09:53 And it's actually very interesting on how the Middle East, to include Israel, had a role in what went on in the Phoenix program. So we'll start there tomorrow. And if some of this I can get out in a thread tomorrow, I've got like two appointments in the morning.

1:10:22 I will get it out so we can kind of speed this up via a thread as well that's going to lay more of the groundwork. So anyway, it's just crazy how, again, going back and looking at these operations like Vietnam.

1:10:51 With what we now know in all of these names, because just thumbing through here, you have things like General Claire Chenault. He comes up. Willis Bird, who we've talked about. Kermit Roosevelt, who we've talked about. The World Commerce Corporation, which we've talked about. All of those things all go back.

1:11:22 to, um, Vietnam. And, um, so again, I just, I think it's crazy. Um, and I was having a conversation today, um, with, um, Lieutenant General Quast. Um, we went to breakfast today. Um, and, um, I just happened to mention to him about

1:11:50 the similarities that we've discovered between Korea and the subdividing of them under the theory that they were going to just, you know, get rid of the Japanese and then they end up establishing actually separate countries that become friction points and how basically we see the exact same thing happen in Vietnam. And those are the types of patterns. And just to me.

1:12:21 And anybody that's ever been in the military, you know, I was telling them I spent an entire year at Air War College and my specialty was Southeast Asia. And I feel like it was a complete waste of money because they didn't teach us any real history. They taught us a story, not the story. And the irony for him as a...

1:12:51 He was in charge of the entire Air Force professional military career education at Maxwell Air Force Base. Air University is what they call it. And Air University is responsible for all of the professional military education for enlisted and officers. All of it. There's an international school there where foreigners come. And I told him, I said, I can't even imagine.

1:13:19 how you feel that you led an organization that basically was full of propaganda. Now that we know what we know. I mean, obviously he didn't know it at the time either. And it's just, you know, it's good having someone to talk to about those kinds of things, but it's at the same time, just extremely sad too.

1:13:46 I do want to say something, you guys, and I don't have, oh, shoot, I'm going to have to wait till tomorrow. I'm going to tell you what I was going to tell you, but I want to read you guys something. So please join us tomorrow at four o'clock. The reason why I had breakfast with them today, they had gotten back last week from GART, the Great America Restoration Tour that is put on by Badlands Media.

1:14:16 A lady who is part of the Florida Badlanders fan club who came to our first, we host that here in Central Florida, and me and General Quast's wife and a friend of mine, Vida McCullough, basically put the thing together. And the other guy runs the Telegram channel as far as the communication piece.

1:14:42 So one of the ladies that came to our first meeting here in Central Florida, we got to know each other, talking and stuff like that. And she follows me on X and True Social. And she got the idea, because she follows the whole Gladio thing, to make Gladio glasses. And if I can do the video version of this tomorrow, I will.

1:15:07 because I want to show you the glasses that she did. And she made a whole bunch of them. And she took them to GART in South Dakota. And she gave them away asking people for donations. And I didn't know any of this. And she asked people for donations for Cousin Bridget and I.

1:15:30 to basically reimburse us some of the expenses of buying all of these books and doing all of this research. And I came as close to crying today at breakfast, and I told General Kloss, I'm like, damn you.

1:15:47 I wore makeup and mascara and you're going to make me have it running down my face when I walk out of here. But I was extremely touched. And I will, when I go in the house, I'm out in my, she said, when I go in the house, please stick around on my page.

1:16:05 Go and look for her handle. I will post it. And I want to read you guys the letter. And I've already arranged for Thursday night at the beginning of CanCon and Alpha's show on Badlands for me to thank the audience and to read her letter. Her letter is very touching. And I am extremely, extremely grateful. I basically don't have...

1:16:33 the ability to pay Bridget and Cousinet for all of the hours upon hours upon hours of research that they do with me. I would love to be able to do that. I am sharing this collection with them. I've already sent it to them. And I'm just extremely humbled by that gesture. We all are. Yeah. We all are.

1:17:02 So anyway, I can't words don't, you know, we do this because we want everybody awake. We want everybody to see what we're seeing. Thank you. Yeah. And it's just a it's a blessing when someone else appreciates that and kind of joins in on the effort in the way in which they can. So.

1:17:24 God bless her for doing what she did. It was just an amazing, very unexpected gesture. And the glasses are really cool. And if we can figure out a way to do a store, we've already designed some t-shirts. And that will allow me to basically be able to help these guys. I don't know what happened to Bridget. They just dropped her too.

1:17:53 Oh, she may have gotten her phone call. So anyway, we're looking for an avenue, not because I want the money, but I would like to be able to help these guys. I took you down, Bridget. Let me ask her back up. Are you there? Yeah, there she goes. Sure.

1:18:25 And obviously, I would like to buy more books. I don't know where I'm going to put them. But yeah, most of these books, by the way, not most of them. Let me rephrase that. Several of them are very difficult to find. And about the only place you can find them because the CIA buys them all up is in used bookstores. And generally, if you find them in used bookstores.

1:18:57 they're a pretty penny. Now, cousin, it needs to be dropped out. We're under attack, guys. Sorry. Thankfully, what we have found is that several of them, and more than not, are on archive.org. The problem that I've had that you've heard me say before is I have to have the physical book.

1:19:28 I cannot go off of a book on the internet because I don't just read books to you guys. When I read through a book and I read through the entire book before I'll ever give it an okay to be a book reviewed book for us or even to use it as a source, I investigate the author and the book. And as I compare all of their footnotes,

1:19:56 to footnotes in other books in order to validate the information as being true. I also highlight the parts so as we're on air, I can kind of just skim through the important facts without going through, because a lot of these authors spend a lot of time telling you stories you don't really need to know. And I'm trying to cram all of that stuff into a short amount of time.

1:20:28 Anyway, what's going on, Bridget? Is she still off? Yeah, apparently it looks like her mic is not working. Okay. If you can drop her down and bring her back up again. Yeah, I will. It is odd how we go through spells like this. And it definitely seems like, of course, the more we, the more our information, we are reaching because of you guys.

1:20:56 You guys are out there reposting and hashtagging and everything. You know, our message is getting out there and we're getting attacked. But it's kind of a good thing, you know, because like we were talking earlier today and I said, you know, if your vote's not rocking, then it means they don't have a reason, you know. And the biggest thing they are afraid of is you guys seeing the patterns and seeing behind what they're doing.

1:21:26 calling it out for what it is and not using their idiotic phrases that they try to brainwash us into believing. Yeah, Cousin It still can't. I'm going to remove her as a co-host and just give her a microphone. Okay. I was going to say, this happens to me all the time when I'm co-hosting in the pond and stuff. What she may want to do is leave the page, swipe up.

1:21:56 to clear out the whole thing and then come, not clear it out, but like get rid of all the pages in the background and then come back in. And then she, and then she'll be able to have access because she can hear everything that's going on. She just can't unmute her mic. It like locks us down from speaking. That's very interesting. Yeah. Bridget, if you would text her and just tell her to close her app and come back in. Yeah. Yeah. Like leave the space, like up on the right hand button, hit the leave thing, go out of it.

1:22:26 Like, swipe up to all this stuff and then come back in, and then she should be able to have access to everything. I think she must have heard you because I think she just did that. Okay. Yeah, because that's what happens. You copy this, Colonel? You guys copy me?

1:22:40 Wait, wait, please. So, um, yeah, cause what happens is you can still hear everything. You can, um, you have access to bring everything up just like the whole co-host thing, but it looks like our screen or, um, it stays red. And when you click it, it'll go purple for a second and then it locks it down. It, it, it mutes us. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. Um, so guys, if you want to have, um, you want to ask any questions, you want to do anything, um, uh, Jeff, go ahead.

1:23:14 Good evening, Colonel. My question is this. I don't know if we discussed. Hold on, Thomas. Quiet. Okay. Thank you. Shut the door. My question is this. Was Frank Lucas, who is Bumpy Johnson's driver, became the biggest heroin dealer on the East Coast out of Vietnam, and he was connected flying his product on C-130s? I never heard.

1:23:42 Anything about him being connected to the intelligence, has there ever been any proof that he was connected to Chiang Kai-shek or was it these other guys in Laos instead of Taiwan? I don't know. I haven't come across any connection there. I don't know. He was the one that wiped out the French connection because he lowball bid the price and beat those guys.

1:24:14 No, no, that's not what happened. The Lucien Koenig guy is the guy that wiped out the French connection. He was a double agent. They thought he was part of the mafia in France and part of their...

1:24:32 Gladio type operation there on the inside when he was actually working for the CIA. And he went in during the early Nixon administration on the quote unquote war on drugs and outed all of the mafia and identified them for assassination. And about 340 of the Corsican mafia were assassinated as he basically lased every target from the inside.

1:25:02 That's how they got rid of the Corsican mafia and the French connection out of Vietnam. So go ahead, Stellar. I had a question about like the Mon Batons because, you know, he died in the boating accident or whatever, bomb, whatever. So was he because that was I think that was the one that was Prince or King Charles or whatever his name is, like their cousins. And that was like his mentor, I believe. Yeah. So.

1:25:35 So why would they want to kill him? Because why would the, like the Gladio forces want to kill him? Yeah, like, because I heard you saying that, you know, they had, you know, they had a bomb in the boat and things like that. He would have been one of those people. So that's why I was just, yeah.

1:26:07 Yeah, what oftentimes happens with these people is, well, a couple of things can happen. And unfortunately for us, you don't ever know which of them actually happened. You know, he basically was a pedophile, this mom baton guy. And one of the reasons why he stayed over, that he liked being overseas.

1:26:31 is because he did things that he couldn't do in England without getting caught. And so a lot of these people, when push comes to shove, they get a little comeuppance or they feel, that's not the right word, they feel like they get shorted in some dealings.

1:26:59 And when that happens, they basically start poking people in the chest because they basically got too big for their britches. And when that happens and they threat to out someone like Prince Charles, then they have to be done away with. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Because I was just like, you know, because he's part of their family. I knew that he was a pedophile and all that other stuff, but they all are.

1:27:28 You know, their whole system is set up for that. I mean, so that's why it's like, you know, it's part of it. I didn't know. That's why. Okay. Well, I mean, that's the whole thing with the czar in Russia. It was the London crowd that assassinated his entire family. So they actually sent them in to do that. So it is not unusual. You know, it's kind of the whole thing when you.

1:27:57 swim with the the alligators you're gonna get bit um they do this to each other all the time um because they basically have no um uh they have no morals they have no ethics well it just seems like it's just one kingdom after another that's just trying to conquer the other kingdoms you know and it seems like the pedophiles against the non-pedophiles i don't know well i know they're all pedophiles but

1:28:28 They basically wanted to, absent the UK royal family and the Netherlands one, they wanted to eliminate all of the royal family and all the royal families. And in order, because people

1:28:57 Like the Tsar, even though a lot of the Russians didn't like being peasants, they still were loyal to the royal family. And that gives people a culture and a reason for being, if that makes sense. And as such, when there's an attack on Russia, the country...

1:29:27 you know, goes to war. But if they can break the royalty down and do away with that, they can begin to destroy the culture of the country because they don't have kind of the rallying around the flagpole anymore. It's just another nation state with a lack of identity. And that's something that psychologically they have documented.

1:29:56 And that's why they hate people like Putin is because Putin is like in the mindset psychologically of a culture that likes the strong man kind of to stand up to their the bad guys. Our job for the CIA, not ours, as in you and I's.

1:30:29 They like to eliminate those people because they give the population, and that's like Trump. Trump brought a sense of pride back to the United States, and people were able to rally around him and feel good about our country again. And that is something.

1:30:55 that they try really hard with all of the refugees and the illegal immigrants to break down that feeling. They don't want anybody building it up. Go ahead, Stiller. Yeah, and I guess Russia was probably a little bit more unique because the Tsar was also the head of their Orthodox Church, too. So he had power supreme. So I guess it was both nationalism to the throne, but also...

1:31:26 You know, he was the figurehead for the church on land. Yes. Yeah. So that's a double threat to them. Absolutely. Got it. That's a good point. Okay. Got it. Because I, you know, because that was like one of the things I was just trying to figure out. It was like, you know, these families and I used to always say that jokingly, I go, even though we live in the modern world, supposedly.

1:31:50 You know, if you start studying at least the royal families throughout, you know, the House of Habsburg, you've got, you know, all these different ones. And you can just see that everything has been maneuvering for each family's or house for supreme authority. And it just seems like we're still kind of living that today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Sure. There's some really strange stuff going on.

1:32:26 It seems like there's mics spontaneously coming off and on. There are. And I don't know that people are trying it. It's just glistening, maybe. Something.

1:32:41 Well, the title Phoenix program is probably one of the trigger words, you know, and all that we've been put that on there every time. Yeah, no, I'm serious. Cause that, when I said, cause I sent out the thing saying the same thing, Phoenix program, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. Come in here, you know, Vietnam to today and Phoenix program still operational too. And you know, I, I hope as we go through these guys,

1:33:09 That you can actually see. And I have said this. I know most of you do follow me. I've said this repeatedly. All of the exposure. Of Mike Benz. In the cyber world. And the disinformation. The misinformation. All of those different things. Is the modern day Phoenix program. Where using.

1:33:39 computers, they can make people disappear. They no longer have to assassinate people. They no longer have to kidnap people. They can literally make you disappear. They can hijack and hack your bank. They can debank you. They can hack all of your personal computers. They can put shit on your computers that gets you arrested.

1:34:08 They can literally do anything. They can put websites up that basically screw you up with trash reviews and slander stories and all kinds of crap. So they can literally, in a cyber way, disappear you where 30 years ago, the way they disappeared you was kidnapping, torture, and murder.

1:34:37 They don't even have to go. It's so much cheaper to debank you, put some bad reviews out there if you own your own business, put some stories in the local newspaper about you doing X, Y, or Z, pay somebody $10,000 to besmirch your character, just like they just did with the Telegram guy or what they did with those brothers over in Romania.

1:35:03 They did it with Julian Assange. Oh, my God, he raped me. They did it with Trump. The one cardinal from the cardinal in Australia. Yeah. Yes. That is the modern day Phoenix program. And they are torturing people through these processes in a basically a modern day Phoenix program.

1:35:30 And the people that are doing it are state actors. That's what makes it the worst. They're coming down. They're being exposed. Did you see that the CIA, going off topic, sorry, you know how we know that they do the chemtrails and all that stuff, and I guess the CIA admitted to it? I did not see that. I tagged you in it. It was just a little bit ago. Okay. Yeah, I spent the two hours before the show with my grandbaby.

1:36:08 After I got my chicken settled. And then the Taliban. Well you guys reposted it. And then the Taliban. Oops we sent however many millions of dollars. Hundreds of millions of dollars to the Taliban. You know and it's like okay. No that was not a mistake. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Anybody else have any questions? I guess we lost cousin it again. She's like I'm out. You know. Like I said.

1:36:48 We've been struggling, too. We're definitely triggered by that or something. Did you guys see that the Democrats are trying to ban Groke in the U.S.? Ban what? Groke. The A.I. for Groke. Grok. Oh, Grok. Oh, is it Grok? I'm sorry. I don't know what the name of it is. I don't know if you live in the north or the south or east coast or west coast. Yeah, right.

1:37:21 No, I didn't see that. Well, they can't have an actual AI that's AI. They have an AI for propaganda. That's the only one you're allowed to use. Pretty much is what it is. So yeah, that's what they were doing. The House Democrat or whatever, they put in something to, I think it was the FEC or something. It was one of those, one of the three-letter agencies that are supposed to be like our gatekeepers. But yeah, they put it in saying that.

1:37:48 the grok ai or grok ai grok sorry sorry elon i know you guys are listening um the grok ai i guess um they don't they feel that it's revolutionary it's going to cause you know issues yeah we can't have anything that's actually going to disprove um our lives well i don't know if you guys saw um the thing that i posted about grok um yesterday or the day before when i ask grok

1:38:20 So Mike Benz posted repeatedly about after the Telegram CEO was arrested that the House Foreign Affairs Committee had said nothing. And why had they not made a statement about how that was bullshit? And he posted it like two times. And I finally said.

1:38:50 Mike, have you ever even looked at who the guy's wife is? The guy's wife is CIA. Okay? She started out in Naval Intelligence. She was in the CIA. Her entire family's in media. What part of CIA don't you get? If he goes out and starts talking about the Operation Gladio kind of bullshit, then, you know, hello. He's actually talking about his wife.

1:39:18 And so I went to Grok and I just wanted to, I knew what her name was and all that other stuff because I'd already researched her. But I wanted to go to Grok to see if Grok would acknowledge the fact that she had been in the CIA. And so I asked him, Grok, is Representative McCall's wife ever been in the CIA? And it comes back with some nebulous bullshit about how I can't tell that. I don't know anything about that. And so I...

1:39:47 went back to Grok and said it's on their Family Foundation website that she used to be in the CIA. Why can you not find that? And then he just spit out this entire diatribe. Oh yeah, not only was she in the CIA, she was in the Office of Naval Intelligence and she did this and she did that. And I'm like, what the hell is that all about? Suddenly you feel like you're in the Wizard of Oz again and you must ask the right

1:40:18 question to get the right answer but i suggest anybody that has um access to grok use it because by using it you are putting information in it that is not already there because you can't now go to grok and not see it because now it's in it and i showed him where it was at so

1:40:40 I recommend people doing that. If you want just a Reader's Digest version of who some of these people are, I've been going to Grok and putting their names in just so he can start going or whatever it can go start gathering information on these people and putting it in their memory banks. SR71, go ahead. Well, his mic must not be working.

1:41:15 Let's drop him down and bring him back up. Carrie, go ahead. I see the FBI posted on Twitter that... Yeah? I don't know what happened to Carrie. I'll try dropping her down and bringing her back up. Yeah? You hear me? All right. SR-71... Oh, yeah, we can hear now. Oh, well, she already dropped her.

1:42:07 SR71, is your mic back? I'm sorry, guys. They're like totally messing with the space tonight. Carrie, I invited you back up if you can. Grab it. I know earlier I had to go all the way out and come all the way back in. Oh, look. Cousin It just reappeared. Did Carrie leave? Cousin It came back as Cousin It. Oh, my God. That's hilarious. Cousin It.

1:42:56 Cousin Nick, can you talk? SR71, can you talk? I don't know. It looks like it's just the three of us. So I wanted to give you guys a heads up. Doyle, who's in the space right now, he thinks that the Rothschilds banking system is a really, really, really good thing. So he was in the space and I got really heated with him.

1:43:26 Hopefully he'll start learning some of these Operation Gladio and the CIA stuff. I've been absolutely respectful, right? I've been super respectful to everything. Oh, yes. That's what I was just saying. You know, he's been very good about it, but he has a different mindset. So I just wanted to let you guys know he will talk about things. And he's got his own point of view. He's very methodical as far as his point of view. And I did tell him about Operation Gladio and things like that and with the banking system and stuff. So he's in to learn and he may have some questions.

1:43:55 And I come with absolute, the most respect. I'm not trying to disrespect nobody. I don't know why I got kicked out of that space. I mean, other opinions really, they're good, right? They're good to build off of and they're good to learn from one another. I'm not saying I'm completely correct. I'm just in my opinion. And I do respect you for hosting this space. Thank you for letting me up here and speak. I'm not trying to persuade nobody. Otherwise, I'm just presenting questions in my side. That's basically it.

1:44:22 OK, so we're talking just about Operation Gladio in this space. So specifically on Vietnam. So since your mic seems to be working, do you have a question? Yeah. Operation Gladio and Vietnam Phoenix. I heard of that Phoenix program and I'm not too familiar with it, to be honest with you.

1:44:46 I did have a couple relatives that went and fought in Vietnam, my uncles and stuff like that. But I don't know what Operation Phoenix is. I will look it up. But if anybody can give me like a breakdown of it, I'm sure. Operation Phoenix or the Phoenix program was the CIA going into Vietnam and training a national police force that.

1:45:16 went out and trained a national police force just like they did in Chile and then they basically turned that national police force on their own citizens who at the time in Vietnam

1:45:51 Many of the people did not want a CIA-installed president, which is basically what they had with them. And they were more nationalist than they were communist. They wanted their country back because it had been occupied by France and Japan forever.

1:46:14 They set up these national police forces and turned them on the citizens and then basically turned them on the North in order to go to war. And we all were told in our history classes that we were over there to fight communism, when in fact, all of Operation Gladio reveals...

1:46:41 that we were in all of these places basically to facilitate a drug trade that was basically a worldwide network to generate money, cash money, in order to be able to spend on black ops operations. And the Phoenix program is just one of the more notorious programs because it actually was set up under the tutelage of Michigan State University.

1:47:11 Their criminal justice system went over there and actually set it up. They did all of the training. They created the schools. They wrote the curriculum. And they were basically on the payroll of the CIA while they were doing that. And now, does that have any connection with, like, the American gangster movie where they're, you know, sending coffins back full of heroin? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I definitely heard of that. Oh, yeah. For sure.

1:47:41 Yeah, they were sticking cocaine inside of dead bodies. That's wild. You know what I always thought was weird was that in Afghanistan, once we got out of there, right, just recently, fentanyl really started picking up in America. It was almost like heroin disappeared, and now fentanyl was the one taking over.

1:48:09 And fentanyl is the new investment of the whole thing. And once we left Afghanistan, we didn't need that black tar heroin or whatever heroin we were getting from them. We had the fentanyl. And it was almost like heroin disappeared. I don't know. They're always going to have something to keep America drugged and the rest of the world so they can do whatever they want to do. Because that's how they generate cash.

1:48:40 for their black ops operations. They have to have a moneymaker. Go ahead, Stella. I don't know. There is that video game that Alpha was talking about. Was it that Creed or that? There's a video game and it's literally.

1:48:55 breaking down everything with a lot of these operation gladio thing talking about like how the bushes were involved and all those other things i just don't remember the movie it was that he was talking or that video game it's like something creed i thought or some some military thing assassin creed or creed assassin something like that

1:49:18 Yeah, so I didn't know. I don't know what it is. Yeah, it was one of those ones, because Doyle, I think he's of the younger generation. He's probably younger than my kids, because I'm an older woman. But I know that they were talking about these video games, and I guess there were previews and stuff on it.

1:49:34 So I don't know if he has access or knows what I'm talking about. But one of those video games pretty much talk. It's like all these different Operation Gladio things that have been going on all over the world and the coups. And I mean, literally down to like the presidents that were involved and the banking systems and all that other stuff, because it's like its own history of waking people up on that. The younger folks, if that makes any sense. Yeah, no. And I actually had asked my daughter because she was.

1:50:03 Um, she's a big, big video person. Um, when she came over that day, um, after, so I think it was on a Wednesday night that following, um, Thursday, um, a couple of weeks ago when he said that. And I asked her if she, um, cause she edits a lot of my, um, writing on Substack and I asked her, I said, Hey, does that ring a bell? And she goes, Oh my God, I didn't even put that together. So yeah, she was, um, she got that right away.

1:50:35 So I didn't know if that would be an easier, faster way for Doyle to get caught up because he's going to be blown away by a lot of these connections with all these, with the psyop that's been going on with us all of our lives, you know, with our parents' lives, our lives, everything else, you know. Yeah, the fastest way to do it actually is what Bridget put together and go back and look at listening to all of our spaces.

1:51:00 um that is in those sound bites and um then just read some of those threads that we put and she's got them all collated on that thread reader um on my home page you guys want to know what got me into this conspiracy space i think it was about 2016 uh yeah it was about 2016 um i was working at a construction right and uh one of my co-workers told me about um

1:51:30 the BP pipeline spill. And basically he was going into it and saying that, okay, no, it wasn't, it wasn't a, it wasn't a random explosion. Can we lose them here? Um, you paid it out. It wasn't a random explosion. Somebody actually blew it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't a random, just a pipe explosion. It was, it was a North Korean missile. And, um,

1:52:07 It was because that we were sharing that. Well, the West was sharing that pipeline. BP is British, right? But it was in American waters. It was British ran and South Korea. Hyundai had a lot of parts in it and a lot of a lot of business and investment in it. So it was kind of like everyone who's against North Korea. So I don't whatever reason why they sent two subs like two kamikaze subs to.

1:52:35 to go underneath this pipeline and blow themselves up. And the submarines took out this pipeline with an explosion. And basically they had, they're about to put it out in the press. It was on Russia News. You can look it up. Russia put it out in their papers and their news and all that saying North Korea blows up BP pipeline. And, you know, it goes in and tells a little story or whatever.

1:53:05 But Obama was the one to pull that from the news and decided to cover it up for whatever reason, whatever reason it was. But that being said, that sparked my interest just a little bit to get into the whole conspiracy space. I didn't know what I was getting into. I went to a website that had this information and then one thing led to another.

1:53:33 I've been in this space and I've been reading religiously, taking notes religiously since 2016. And to be honest with you, I've come to a spot where I've heard most operations. I heard of all the CIA things, all the FBI things, all the Kennedy things, all that stuff. It really interests me because it's something that's not the narrative. But in reality, you always have to go back to what's fundamental.

1:53:59 And I think I went over that like bad government. This is how bad, bad, bad, bad. But also at the same time, I understand that there is opposition that wants to make it seem like it is our own versus our own. Right. When it's really outsiders versus us. And if you want to compare things to how things could be in my mind.

1:54:21 That's where I kind of get conflicted. I used to think Rothschilds and all this stuff, they're the cause of, you know, all this, you know, bad stuff in the nation. And I'm thinking, OK, well, let me learn about other nations. And now I'm learning about other nations. I'm learning about other things. I'm kind of like I'm not putting up that that board, you know, that wall, you know, like, oh, no, I know what this is. So I'm just going to I'm just going to go with this narrative. I'm actually I'm a check myself, you know, and some of the times I'm right, some of the times I'm wrong.

1:54:48 But what you really find out is that everything is just like everyone else. It's all about self-interest, serving your own self-interest. And if my self-interest lies within the self-interest of where I'm living, I mean, I'm not going to say that everything's great. I don't do everything great. I'm not a great person. I know I'm living in a great country and I love the great people that I'm around. At the same time, I humble myself and I can understand that.

1:55:17 You know, it may not be all this conspiracy that I think it is, you know, and I had to take myself back a little bit and I kind of had to sit down and think, OK, well, what's for the greater good or what's what's what makes sense to me, you know? And, you know, what I really found in checking myself and thinking that, oh, the CIA, the FBI, all this stuff, they really have their own interest and their own interest relies basically on protecting us because we're their backup. We're their commodity. We're their everything. We're their assets.

1:55:46 And so yet I don't agree with everything that they do, 100%. I do believe that out of all the systems in the world that have been created, I really do think that maybe this isn't the worst one. And maybe that's why we're superior and maybe that's why we're able to sit here and think and talk to ourselves and talk to other people about how this isn't the greatest, why this isn't the greatest, and what we can do to change it and be different. And I think that's beautiful.

1:56:15 Joel, let me interrupt you here for a second. No one in here is saying that our country is not great as it was originally founded. There has been significant changes made to our country that was not done in the best interest of the people in our country. What we have spent the last several months doing

1:56:43 is going through the activities that have been done in our name. And we are making sure that the citizens of the United States knows what has been being done in our name.

1:57:09 telling people that you have to feel one way or the other about those things. But the one thing that I absolutely feel strongly about is that people know what was done. Because what I have found and I have been formally educated in this arena.

1:57:37 And none of this information was provided to me during any of that formal education. So that leads you to believe that they don't want you to know this. I was part of the government for 30 years. I went to their schools, their schools about this stuff. And they did not tell us any of these things. Well, if we are supposed to be informed citizens making informed.

1:58:06 judgments about our country how can you do that if they're not providing you the information to make those judgments about so if if and and that's the reason why our spaces are under attack um when we talk about this stuff they've in the past taken the entire thing down because they they send these bots in here um and we've had our entire space shut down because we're talking about things

1:58:37 that are considered taboo in many circles. And it's not that it's not out there. It's just that no one has collated all of it and made it make sense. It's all out there. They just don't want you to look at it. TG, what you got? I guess his mic's not going to work. Hi, this is... TG, can you hear me?

1:59:17 This is former Fed. Somebody gave me permission to speak. I hope it's okay. I've actually been to Vietnam over 30 times. Oh, boy, this is some really bad feedback. Everybody has to mute their mics. Please mute your mics. I've been to Vietnam. Hold on a second. I don't.

1:59:56 I don't know who has the mic. We're trying. All right. We're getting attacked big time. I don't know. You may want to drop everyone down except for bring people up one at a time because it seems like it's unmuting everybody's mic and causing all that feedback. Agreed. Agreed. Let's try it. All right. I'm going to add TG back and see if...

2:00:58 We can hear him this time. Go ahead, TG, try speaking. TG, can you talk? Hi, everyone. Can you hear me now? Yes. Wonderful. Yeah, it was muted there. I just wanted to say this is an amazing space. I've dipped into it over the past few weeks. I'm from Ireland, but I married an American. I lived there for like a decade, and I have an interest in American history. I just wanted to make...

2:01:39 I could talk about a couple of things, but I wanted to make one comment about the provisional IRA and Lord Mountbatten. I'm not convinced that it's correct to view the actions of the provisional IRA through the lens of Operation Gladio. I think that if one was going to make the claim of collusion, there is plenty of evidence that on the loyalist side, which would be the Protestant side. By the way, I'm from the...

2:02:07 occupied six counties known as the North of Ireland and I also know people who were directly involved in the resistance. So I have some experience firsthand with this. There was direct collusion between the British government and several loyalist factions in Northern Ireland that really started in 1969. It happened in Dover Street. There was a pogrom against some Catholics who lived there and there was a

2:02:35 a number of Catholic families who were trying to get housing, and the housing was given to a single mother who was a Protestant, and it caused a bit of a riot. And that's when things kicked off. The British came over, and within six months, they were killing the Irish, and in 1971, at the end of January, there was a large...

2:03:01 peace rally, and several people were killed. And that was a huge recruiting day for the provisional IRA. But my point is that the objectives of the provisional IRA and before that the IRA were United Ireland, their socialist left-wing resistance organisation. And therefore, obviously, for one who understands the objectives of Operation Gladio, completely on the opposite side.

2:03:30 uh of of the of the fence but i just wanted to make that point thank you guys so let me ask you something though when you say it's completely on the other side of the fence what you just described is a prototype of them doing that and um they oftentimes just like for example in italy if you go back through um

2:03:57 the allegations that they made originally that, oh, yeah, there was this big communist push in the late 1940s. And what you go back and you find is that there really wasn't a communist push. There was a workers' rights push because they had been under Mussolini for so long.

2:04:24 peasant class of people, the worker class, had been totally disregarded, paid pennies on the dollar of these globalist-type industrialists under this kind of fascist arrangement Mussolini had with the businesses there. And the people, just like in Chile, the people got treated like shit. And so...

2:04:53 There was a common theme that the governments were using the word communist because we had been brainwashed to have this knee-jerk reaction of how evil it was. And I'm not saying it's good.

2:05:11 But it was a psychological operation to program us that all they had to do, like in a military operation, is lays a target with the word communist. And immediately everybody's, you know, hair on the back of your neck stood up and they became evil. And they have used these types of operations around the world in order to do that. And in Italy's case, when they went back decades later.

2:05:38 and did investigations, they actually found out that most of the quote-unquote Red Brigade activity was the fascist, as part of Gladio operators, had infiltrated this workers' rights movement that got labeled as the Red Brigade and had orchestrated all of these terror events, only to find out that it was actually Gladio operators and not the Red Brigade at all.

2:06:07 Yeah, they're great observations. I'm familiar with the history and the, of course, that was Ordean New Oval who was actually responsible for that attack and others as well. So I completely agree with that context. The issue I'd have is that I'm talking very specifically about the bombing of Lord Mountbatten and the person responsible for that.

2:06:37 was, his name's Thomas McMahon. He was most certainly a left-leaning person. At that time in the provisional IRA, you had a mix of communists and socialists. It was certainly a left-wing organization because it was fundamentally anti-imperial, right? So that goes back to the IRA and before that, the IRB.

2:07:02 So these were genuine actions by a liberation army attempting. But can I ask you something? Can I ask you something? Why do you use the label left when it could be nationalist as opposed to a left? I use that to simplify things. I mean, in terms of I would look at things in terms of imperialism more generally, but they were anti-imperialist. But they would self-describe as being.

2:07:31 And the reason I would use that term is because of its original sense, going back to the French Revolution and the socialist revolutions in France in the 19th century, Bonn-Key and etc. Right. And I only bring this up because I love this conversation, by the way. And I want everybody to understand because what I have been advocating is our language.

2:08:00 has been co-opted to make us believe that there are opposite things that aren't really the opposite. Because I've made the argument that our terminology of the past was to label fascists as people on the right and socialists as people on the left when

2:08:29 My argument is when you look at governments and the amount of government that you have, all of the isms, whether they're socialism, communism, or fascism, all are big government. All are dictatorial by nature, where what is really laying on the right side of that government continuum is anarchy.

2:08:58 And you've got a republic slightly to the, you know, slightly more government and then a democracy somewhere in the middle. And so I just encourage people to not, I think we've been programmed to use words that pits people against each other. So I just wanted everybody to understand. And I understand why you used it.

2:09:28 I wanted you to explain to the people why you use it. I really do. I am also absolutely fascinated by this subject. And I've studied political science for many years. And you're very right. I mean, for example, the horseshoe theory is often thrown up, I find, on spaces. And that was invented by a French poet. And it's widely discredited within political science because, as you correctly point out, if you go far left,

2:09:57 I could name someone like Considerable, who's completely forgotten. He was a French writer. In 1847, he published a manifesto, which was ripped off by a young man called Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto. And by the way, those socialists were anti-state socialists. They put workers owning the means of production at the front.

2:10:21 And of course, some of them were also anarchists in the technical sense, coming from the tradition of Poudon, for example. So we can get very accurate technical descriptions of the history. But sister, listen, when it comes to, especially when it's Europe versus America, the terms mean something different. Liberal in the 19th century meant someone who was for the free market.

2:10:46 John Shirtmill, Adam Smith, that tradition, right? It means something completely different now. The idea to someone in Spain that the American Democratic Party is on the left, they would just break down laughing. I mean, so, you know, just to give two silly examples. So the American system in 2014, I think it was...

2:11:12 princeton who who came to the conclusion that it's an oligarchy it's not a republic it's not a democracy anymore that's their words not mine so i agree with all of these terms especially since we're on an international space certainly mr mr i'm not in ireland i'm in france by the way um they have to be used very very carefully because they can cause a lot of confusion um i know that in the left and all my american friends the left would be represented by things like a lot of woke

2:11:42 type ideas, gender identity, etc. My view on that is that it's a neoliberal weapon that's been used to control dissent from the left and right. But again, that's 100%. There's no question. It's been weaponized. It's a way of hyper-focusing on avoiding the real issue, which would be the imperial core and imperialism itself. And if I may just add something,

2:12:09 The period of the Second World War was one of the most important periods in human history because at that time, the British Empire still kind of existed. America had at least 60% of the world's gold. That would go up to over 80% in the coming years. And the Britain were desperately trying to hold on to their empire, but they were screwed. They had John Maynard Keynes. You had Harry Dexter White.

2:12:36 You had the Bretton Woods. You had Morgenthau. Very smart people coming together trying to work out what to do. And you had a lot of protectionism in the 1930s as well. Several tariff acts in America, for example. So there was a lot of concern about what would happen. And the results of this were that in 1940, you had the Land Lease Act with Britain.

2:13:06 put Britain into a lot of debt, and they had been in debt, inter-ally debt before via Germany from the First World War. And America had come out on top on that one and become a creditor nation. And what changed was America became a debtor nation. But the trick was that the British decided to still play by the old game, decided to honour their debts. And after the end of World War II, a lot of their empire was lost. They had what was called the Sterling Zone.

2:13:34 starting as the British pound, and they had what they called imperial preference. So they had a trading block with zero tariffs, low tariffs. And what does that mean, really? That means that there was a multipolarity in the world at that period, at that time in history. And what happened was the Americans were able to, given that they had come out on top, Second World War, begin to really...

2:14:02 developed the empire, which had started, I guess, with the Philippines at the end of the 19th century. So America came out on top, the British lost their empire, and it resulted in, through very clever machinations at Bretton Woods, dollar hegemony, and the dollar is a world reserve currency. And when you have...

2:14:25 Other countries having to hold on to dollars, then they buy American exports, and that led to the development of the World Bank, the IMF, and food aid programs, which itself is a fascinating history, how aid was brought by, I think it was Kennedy, under the State Department, rather than it being under the Department of Agriculture, and was increasingly weaponized by the World Bank.

2:14:54 with McNamara, Robert McNamara, and then Kissinger. And so that's the birth of the empire. The British lost theirs. The multipolarity disappeared. And I mention all of this because it ties and dovetails in perfectly with Operation Gladio because the British at that time had the SOE, Special Operations Executive, right? The Jed Burns.

2:15:20 100%, right? So that was full-on Operation Gladiator type stuff, right? Behind the lines type stuff. Very James Bond-ish. And so after that, then you had the development of the Gehlen, Reinhard Gehlen Network. Yes, we've talked all about that. Yep, George Kennan was involved in that one. Policy Planning Paper 48, I think. What happened, as you mentioned, in Greece and Italy.

2:15:49 The British went in to Italy, failed. Then the Americans. Okay. What happened? I don't know what happened to his mic. Oh, I just got muted. Oh, okay. Well, I do have a couple other hands. Yeah. So let me go to him and we'll come back. But I'm fascinated by, and by the way, the actual empire started with Hawaii, not the Philippines.

2:16:28 That was a little bit. Yeah. So we had to depose the queen in Hawaii before we went over to the Philippines. Yeah. Apologies for going on a bit, but I just wanted to give that history in terms of its relation to Gladio because. Yeah, no, no, I'm glad you did. And having the international audience here for confirmation about what we are exposing is vitally important.

2:16:54 But I do want to come back to you and ask you a question. But I'm going to go ahead and go to former feds next, and then we will go to all along. Hi. Thanks. I'm really enjoying your space, and thanks for having me on. You mentioned about never having learned so many things about Vietnam. You can imagine my surprise. I went there for the first time in 2013. I immediately fell in love with it. I've been there over 30 times since.

2:17:23 All over Vietnam, really focusing on its culture, the differences between the North and South through, you know, the Mekong Delta up through Hue and in North Vietnam. But I was really, I remember seeing Full Metal Jacket and at the end, you know, the whole movie is.

2:17:51 allegedly taking place in Vietnam, you know, me so horny and all that stuff, which is just so wrong. Stanley Cooper's take on Vietnamese culture is just, could not be more wrong. It's a very traditional culture. You know, it reminds me actually, similar to conservative, you know, the best parts of Mormonism in Utah, in terms of being guileless.

2:18:20 somewhat naive. Until recently, divorce was largely unheard of. That's changed in the last 10 years. But at the end, there's a female sniper. And I remember when I saw that in that Stanley Kubrick movie, I kind of dismissed it and said, that's so Hollywood that they would make a whole movie about this random one-off. And how foolish I was because when you go to

2:18:50 And the war museums are different in the South and the North. In the South, they were primarily done in the 1980s. They're very, the War Remnants Museum, for instance, is very complimentary to, they give full credit to the anti-war movement globally. And while they make, you know, they don't pull any punches in the displays. They show, you know.

2:19:18 viet men being dragged behind tanks they show interrogations they show the tiger cages um they show agent orange devastation um and they you know have all these different uh displays that basically we drop more ordinance on vietnam that we 6.5 times the ordinance on vietnam as we did in all of world war ii and all theaters if you can even imagine that but

2:19:47 They're very somehow respectful. I'm not really sure how or why. I think it's part of how their culture, they're very in the now. It's very, the population is 10 years younger than ours, by and large. So, you know, they don't have the kind of cultural memory that we do. On the other hand, I think they're also very forgiving. I've never, in all my travels, I've never had a negative experience. I mean, you know, I know that sounds hard to believe, but I'm telling you, I've never had a negative experience.

2:20:17 In the north, the museums were put in place during the war, and you have what are known as patriot moms. I think they're called patriot moms, where you have mothers that lost like as many as 10 or 12 sons. I think it's about 40% of the north were fighters, were women.

2:20:44 Now, a lot of those were in support roles, but I mean, support roles were, you know, load up a bicycle and walk it down the Ho Chi Minh Trail. I mean, these are really extremely tough women who weigh about 90 pounds. You give them a satchel of rice and some brackish water and they will live underground. You know, they didn't learn about the Coochie tunnels, that tunnel system that was like had six or seven layers that basically. Yeah, we've already talked about that. We talked about that. I mean, that's like an amazing feat of.

2:21:14 That, you know, you could have people living there for months. And the point I want to say is, and I, you know, I went to Iraq as a civilian. I saw all the horrors there, but nothing made me more of a conscientious objector than getting to know the Vietnamese people. Because the idea that we were doing conventional strategic bombing campaigns in the north where all the anti-aircraft gunners were women.

2:21:44 go into the flower market and seeing how they just they happen to miss what right now it's the electrical vietnam skyscraper but before that it was a power plant they missed it and they took out the entire flower uh flower section um and the person telling me this who was a boy at the time who woke up at the bottom of a of a bomb crater with his brother after the whole apartment

2:22:13 the tenement got, got taken out, just chuckles to himself. Like, like, you know, you know, they're silly. They, you know, they missed the, the, the, the coal plant and they took out the, the flower section of town. And, you know, like hundreds of people died. Nothing made me more of a conscientious objector. Like the idea that what we were doing over there, the amount of mischief, the amount of experimentation.

2:22:41 The amount of sending these 19-year-old kids, when I see these pictures, I used to think it was so cool when I was younger. Now I see these kids, they just look like a bunch of, like, you know, farm kids, no experience. And it just looks like the lack of sophistication that we think we could go over to that complex society that has sustained attacks from China going back, you know, for centuries.

2:23:10 It just seems the height of foolishness and arrogance. It was definitely, yeah, it was definitely the height of foolishness. I agree. Let's go on over to All Along. Hi, Pearl. Excellent show. I just wanted to pick up on something you were talking about in relationship to the interference tonight, electronic or whatever. I think, yeah, I agree there's been a lot going on, but more importantly, I think...

2:23:39 you know as they're reaching more people on a topic like this i really do not think it's paranoid to think that there could be some agency interference as it were and just along that line i i think um the takeaway for me for so much of you know the so-called national security state history is because i'm a teacher right i was a teacher for 29 years and i saw

2:24:08 Just how little time teachers have, you know, again, when you get up to 1980, you've got three days left, and then it's June. And all of that time, including really post-World War II, but this is the period in which the CIA and the National Security State grew. And it's the period that the teachers have the least amount of time to teach. And look.

2:24:38 That's everyone, you know? When you talk about high school teachers, that's basically, for better and worse, that's the political lingua franca of our country, right? And if you have no time to teach 100% of the population, or very little time, it creates a context in which it's going to be like, it's very easy for this mockingbird media to dismiss everything as...

2:25:07 Absolutely right. And also, you know, you mentioned this guy Douglas Valentine. I happen to kind of know him from a while back on Facebook, Twitter, whatever. And he is, you know, admitted he is like the, he puts the acerb back in the cervix. But more significantly, I think he's in some ways typical of what I would call the older or actual left who talked about this so-called

2:25:36 what they called natural security state history. And then again, the name was changed to deep state. So the effect of that is you have all of these Democrats who don't even know the hello. It was like your own, the quote, left part of the Democrats who don't exist anymore, right? Because the Democrats have become 100% CIA. They're actually the ones who used to talk about what you now ridicule.

2:26:05 as the deep state, as somehow only Trumpies say that, right? And it's just, you know, it's like, it's just, it's, you know. It's crazy. Yeah, but it's also deliberate, right? It's deliberate. It absolutely is. To scramble the population. Just one last comment. You know, I used to, I'm getting back to this idea that it's the spread being.

2:26:32 of, you know, information is what really irks the CIA, our CIA government, which is what I think it is. You know, earlier on, like when JFK and the Unspeakable by James W. Douglas came out, it was by a tiny publisher. It's like, I would go and spread that on 50 different newspaper chat rooms across the United States, affiliated with the big newspapers like Seattle Post and Collegiate Circuit, blah, blah, blah. Guess what? Those are...

2:27:00 by and large, those are gone. In other words, there are no, the ability for citizens to talk sideways, right, outside of their little media-constructed, CIA-constructed media silos is less and less and less. And so, you know, it's really a means of propaganda warfare that's at a new level.

2:27:29 And so, again, I just think with your emphasis, we have to spread, you know, spreading threads. It's just so, so crucial right now. But again, thanks for the excellent show. Sure. TJ or TG, are you still there? Absolutely. Yeah. I think everybody in the space is interested since you mentioned that you're in France. What?

2:27:58 Do you and your peers think about the arrest of the Telegram CEO? That's that's a great question. How long have we got? I can be brief, but I'm already 30 minutes over my time limit. So give me about the five minute version. OK, well, let me let me put this in context from Western Europe and the United Kingdom.

2:28:28 Over the past two years, we have had an increase in the harassment of journalists. So let me just mention that briefly. So we had Vanessa Bealey, who's reported on the Middle East for many years. She comes from Great Britain, a fantastic journalist.

2:28:55 She was harassed at an airport in England. There was Kit Clarenberg, who writes for the Grey Zone and has actually written quite a lot on Operation Gladio and actually some of the connections to similar stuff right now with Chris Donnelly and Kirsch Bridge and Anomaly 6 software and some of the stuff that the British are up to these days.

2:29:20 So he got harassed and held at Luton Airport, one of the worst airports in the world, for several hours, had all his digitals taken off him. And then most recently, Richard Methurst, who's the son of diplomats and has a large YouTube presence, speaks several languages, was not just arrested by six officers, but was held for almost 24 hours in a prison cell.

2:29:49 without recourse to a lawyer or access to any kind of family. It was even denied water for several hours. So in that context, it's very unfortunate. Telegram, of course, was used around the time of the 2014 CIA-backed coup in Ukraine. And so what happened after that was...

2:30:18 Russia, the Russians were very upset that the platform was being used to platform. So technically it wasn't. Let me just correct you for just a second. It wasn't Telegram. He hadn't invented that yet. That was his version of the Facebook that while he was a citizen in Russia, he created a Russian version, a Russian.

2:30:42 language version of Facebook. Yeah, I'm a simple thing. He created something called VK. Yeah, it's called VK. Yeah, you're absolutely right. By the way, he also went to America and was attacked by three people in San Francisco and beat them up.

2:30:58 but decided to not base his business there after that. I told everybody last night we talked about that, that I would have loved to have gotten that on video to have the Russian beating the hell out of the three thugs in San Francisco. Yeah. That would have been gold. Billionaire thug beats up somebody. Well, I'm not sure if he was a billionaire then. I'm sure he was. But yeah, it's an absolute travesty. I'm absolutely behind free speech.

2:31:25 And I've looked at cancel culture for a very long time, and I've talked about how the left has been cancelled for a very long time, but not just cancelled, mass murdered, not just in Vietnam, but 1965 and 1968, when you had up to maybe 3 million murdered in...

2:31:45 In Indonesia, by the way, with help from the same Galen network, ex-Nazi, with support from America and NATO. And that was when Sukarno was in charge. But all of this is connected and we need access to information. And even someone like myself who would be, again, using that stupid term on the left, when President Trump was banned off Twitter.

2:32:13 I was absolutely outraged at this. I think no one should be removed from a platform unless they're clearly breaking the law. So I think this is a travesty of justice. And I would add that every single indictment, every other platform has been responsible for. Zuckerberg has come out and said how correctly that the Biden administration was pressuring him. But Facebook itself destabilized Syria. I know this for a fact. I had the screen grab in 2010.

2:32:43 No, you're right. Colour revolutions. Facebook has killed people in its suppression of information around the vaccine. I'm going to just say it straight. I know I'm being recorded. There's no question. So Facebook has a lot to answer for. When it comes to the other charges, Google several years ago was caught with a lot of pornography on it, illegal pornography. So again, it's a kind of a hypocrisy, right? Recently, the cradle.

2:33:10 which reports on West Asia or Middle East news, had its Facebook account completely wiped out, even though they were reporting about Hezbollah, Ansar Allah, Hamas, in the same way that other much larger news organizations report, including Al Jazeera, but they were specifically targeted. So we have a long, long way to go before we live up to the standard of Mr. Voltaire.

2:33:39 who said, I may not agree with what you're saying, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it. Right? We have a long way to go. I hope that this is resolved and they're just harassing him in line with what I said has happened to other journalists who I know and appreciate. But it's a travesty. It really is. Telegram is an amazing platform. I use it every day. I'm in contact with a lot of people around the world.

2:34:09 There are amazing groups on there. It's incredibly useful. And I hope that he's freed. And of course, since we're on this conversation, we cannot leave one of my all-time heroes, who I've sadly not met yet, but hope to one day, who is Julian Assange. And wasn't it wonderful to see that he finally, after five years in a cage, was finally able to be...

2:34:36 reunited with his wife. It's sad that the great late journalist John Pilger didn't live to see that because he was a huge advocate for him. But it's wonderful to see that he was released and that it's unfortunate that he was charged with something because I believe he's completely innocent. But I hope that answers your question. I could go into it much more, but I'm just trying to give you a quick gloss.

2:35:02 fit the bill perfectly if i may add one thing if he's not released i would call as has been called more generally because of and i don't want to go into french politics but macron is is currently being a little bit of a dictator and

2:35:18 A little? Yeah, he's a neoliberal puppet. France has a very rich history of protests, as I'm sure you're aware. The Gilets Jaunes, all that kind of stuff. There was going to be protests about this, and there is calls right now on Telegram for there to be massive protests.

2:35:40 if he is not released and allowed to go home. So that will happen. And I would call anyone around the world to join in. I'm very much someone who comes from the ground up. I don't look for saviors. I don't look for father figures or people to save me. I believe in working people and that we can all make a difference. And we've proven this time and time again in history, by the way, especially in America. If you look at the labor history in America.

2:36:07 So let me just say that the only reason Zuckerberg came out today and made his comments is because the Texas attorney general exposed all of that in court already. So that was already known. And all he's trying to do is feather his bed before Trump gets reelected.

2:36:37 and comes back in. He's doing his, what we refer to as mea culpa. Oh my gosh, look, I was under duress. But you know what? There's other people that's been under duress. And I think the just position of the Telegram CEO and Mark Zuckerberg within like 24 to 48 hours where you have a brave.

2:37:03 guy that stood his ground and a yellow-livered, I won't even say what I'm really thinking, coward who, as you accurately described, has blood on his hands for what he used that platform.

2:37:30 for and what he did um is responsible for people's death so that all could have been avoided had he been the hero that the telegram um ceo was so if i may borrow an americanism the acronym that comes to mind is cya cover your ass right yeah yeah well

2:37:55 That's very appropriate right there, because that's exactly what he's doing. All right. I have one quick question. TG, when you find out what the time or, you know, like the when their protests are in France, can you please let me know, message me? And then that way I can get in touch with my friends in France. They're in Paris and in Cannes. Absolutely. I'm in the south of France, so I'm probably not far from your friends. I'd be more than happy to DM. Is that Bridget speaking?

2:38:27 That is stellar. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, stellar. Okay. I will DM you. Absolutely. No problem. No problem. I may have some people that are living out there that are also Italians that might want to join in as well. Yes. Italy is very, very close by. I'm sure you know. So Italy is also famous for its protests. So especially northern Italy. Some of the most based people in the world. I love them.

2:38:56 Yeah, there's going to be protests. There will be. And I'll DM you. I'll let you know. Yeah, I lived in southern Italy. I'm not sure that those people tell their protest anything. They're way too laid back. They're too busy eating bistecchi. Or the grappa. Indeed. Indeed. Yeah. So anyway, that's funny. OK, so.

2:39:28 Great space tonight, everybody. Thank you again for being here. I appreciate it. Brian, did you want to say anything? I just noticed you were here. No, I'm just kind of jealous of the dudes living in the south of France. Well, I don't know. You shouldn't be too jealous right now. They're arresting people for free speech. Yeah, Cavalier and Saint-Tropez. I spent a lot of time there. When I lived in Paris, I would always go down to those areas. Really nice.

2:39:58 Yeah, the French, I mean, it's just kind of like a weekend thing to do, right? Slip on your yellow vest and go protest something. Shut down the metro and everything else. But, yeah, they certainly enjoy a good protest, no doubt about it. But it should be interesting.

2:40:19 I love those yellow vests. No, I'm joking. I do. I'm not joking about that. I mean, some of my friends are, some of my friends are, are a part of it. That's why. And I'm sure they'll probably already know this stuff, but I just want to let them know that, you know, we over here are praying and whatever it is in French, the revolution, let it go. We're going to do it. We're going to take our world back from these monsters. Oh, and the chap you mentioned earlier is Robert Tronquier.

2:40:49 if you want to know the pronunciation. And since we're on that topic, there is a book that I've read that has absolutely approved this conversation in relation to Operation Gladio. It's by a French lady called Marie-Monique Robin. And she made it into a documentary that was shown on French television precisely once and completely buried.

2:41:16 unfortunately, but her book is called Escadron de la Mort, which means Death Squads. And she goes into the entire history of the French involvement with Operation Gladio. The SDECE, the OAC, the Organisation Armée Secrète, the OAS, and the 11th Shock, which is like a kind of parachute battalion that worked in Algiers.

2:41:44 Yeah, we've covered them all. Yeah, okay. Sorry, I missed that. No, yeah, that's okay. They're actually on my homepage on X.

2:41:56 There's someone who has collected them all for us who is a Swedish guy. And he puts them all in a Dropbox for people to go back and look at. And there's a link that Bridget put on my homepage so people can go back. Because we spent, I actually even on my Substack did a book review on Otto Zinni and him being Galen's trainer.

2:42:23 After World War II, he was put up in Paris until he was noticed by someone, and they then moved him to Franco's Spain in order for him to be hired by NATO and paid through the Air Force in the United States, building quote-unquote bases in Spain. They overpaid for the base constructions in order to money-launder money to him to be the Gladio trainer for all of Europe.

2:42:52 He trained the forces that went down and actually deployed with them to murder Lumumba in the Congo. You probably are well aware that he was all involved in the Algeria Civil War fight for freedom. And he was training many of the OAS guys. And there was two of them that were deployed to Dallas, Texas the day that JFK was assassinated as well. There was two OAS.

2:43:21 OAS agents in Dallas that day. Yeah, I'm really impressed with your knowledge. It's very, very impressive. You'll know as well that a lot of these guys went over to Argentina, Operation Condor, and were training the Americans, and then the Americans were training them. And yeah, it's... We started actually in...

2:43:47 South America and in Central America. Did the whole Iran-Contra thing. Talked extensively about the... Because we cooed literally every government in Latin America. Every government. A fascinating history is the Boston Fruit Company and how that became United Fruit in relation to Honduras. We talked about them too. Henry Enrico Meigs.

2:44:18 Sam Zimory and how he funded Truman and that led to the creation of the State of Israel, UN Resolution 181. That whole story is fascinating. The British decided to not vote on that one because, again, they knew they would lose their empire because the Suez Canal is one of the most important choke points in the world. I think the darkest...

2:44:45 Episode that I have researched would be El Salvador and the Atlacatl Battalion and the training in the School of Americas in Fort Benning, Georgia. That particular episode in the early 80s with support from the States, but people like Elliot Abrams, the Arch Neocon, and also a large Zionist influence as well, so Medachim Begin. It's just, and the IDF, IOF influence.

2:45:14 several countries there and also in chile yeah it's i mean it it's the gift that keeps on giving right it's just an it is it goes on and on and on found the one year program that the idf was offering all of the drug lords in um columbia they would pick them out um that and they would scoop and take them over to israel for a year um and they had a year-long version of school of america's

2:45:42 Yeah, we've talked about the School of Americas and how they just changed the name and moved it to Fort Benning. I don't know. Winsec now, I believe. W-H-I-N-S-E-C. It's called, yeah, the Hemispheric blah, blah, blah. And they're training all of the guys in Africa right now that are cooing all the governments there. 100%. Yep. Yeah, that's fascinating.

2:46:13 I'm not sure that I have one that I think is the worst because they all seem diabolically evil. I think the worst, I would have to say the boiling Lumumba in acid was probably the worst one that I've come across. It wasn't enough just to kill them.

2:46:36 and bury him. They were afraid that he would be dug up and martyred. And so they dug him up themselves and then boiled him in acid.

2:46:43 And I think that's probably the most atrocious. That's bad. That's really bad. I won't go into what happened to the indigenous people in El Salvador right now, but I've read church committee reports and it's pretty brutal. Oh, no, we've talked about it. Yeah, we've covered El Salvador. Another chap, very briefly, another chap that has been harassed recently is Craig Murray, who's a...

2:47:13 enormous supporter of Julian Assange and a brilliant man and a friend of his wife, Stella. And he, about 20 years ago, exposed MI6's involvement in their torture in Uzbekistan. And what they were doing there was boiling people in oil. And the MI6 were directly involved. He exposed this and he was a diplomat at the time. He had diplomatic immunity. And the British government went after him.

2:47:43 They accused him of a lot of... They essentially did an Assange on him. They accused him of being an alcoholic, blah, blah, all this crazy stuff. And he was fired. It's an insane story. He was actually on a space earlier tonight discussing Telegram, of all things. But that's a...

2:48:03 that's a story that's worth going into as well. I'm not, I'm not sure. It's not really in the context of radio perhaps, but it's certainly in the context of British intelligence and what they were getting up to. And this was in Uzbekistan in 2002. I also, I'll give you one. I'm sorry. Hold on just a minute. Let me TJ. I'll give you one name. Have you ever heard of William Polly? No, I haven't. I haven't. Okay. Look him up. Go ahead, Bridget.

2:48:34 I was just going to say I pinned the link to all of our old spaces, all of our recorded spaces, and they are listed by country. Also, all of the Thread Reader app, which has stored all of her threads on the various different operations and details on those operations, I pinned them up above us. And even after this is closed, you'll still see it below it.

2:49:00 So if anybody wants to go back and if there's an area that you're specifically, you know, like, hey, what about this or that? You know, there's the information for you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. All right, guys, we're way over time, but thank you for hanging out with us. And this has been probably one of my favorite ones we've had so far. So thank you all for being here. We will be back tomorrow at four o'clock.

2:49:35 And continuing on our Phoenix program. Thanks, everybody.

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Claims made here

Doug Valentine book_quoted Pisces Moon: The Dark Art of Empire book_quoted ▶ 6:23

“perspective in this. Is Cousin It here yet? Yes, she did go to. There she is. All right. Let me go ahead and bring her up and we'll get started. All right. So, and I'm going to give you an example bec…”

Donald Gregg worked_for George H.W. Bush book_quoted ▶ 11:47

“the guy that featured prominently in the Phoenix program, Donald Gregg and Rudy Enders. He goes on to explain that Donald Gregg, and let me just tell you guys, this is how overlapping these are. Donal…”

Donald Gregg member_of Phoenix Program book_quoted ▶ 12:15

“in Vice President Bush's office that ran the entire Iran-Contra affair. So Donald Gregg is in Vietnam and was part of the management of the Phoenix program. So he goes on to explain a little bit about…”

Christopher Buckley member_of Skull and Bones book_quoted ▶ 13:43

“naming him as an ambassador to South Korea from 1989 to 1993. Greg's daughter carried on the family tradition by marrying a writer by the name of Christopher Buckley, who was also a Skull and Bones gu…”

William F. Buckley member_of Skull and Bones book_quoted ▶ 13:43

Christopher Buckley worked_for George H.W. Bush book_quoted ▶ 14:14

“also the guy who told African-American author James Baldwin in their famous debate in 1965 that it would be immoral to desegregate the South. Chris Buckley served as a speechwriter for Vice President …”

Danny Sheehan member_of Christic Institute book_quoted ▶ 16:39

“was then a social activist attorney for the Christic Institute, a public interest law firm that he co-founded in 1979 with his wife and a Jesuit priest. After the successful conclusion of his case on …”

Felix Rodriguez assassinated Che Guevara book_quoted ▶ 19:31

“the grave-robbing anti-Castro Cuban who had tracked and helped murder Che Cavera in Bolivia in 1967 and was taken Che's wristwatch as a trophy because it was a Rolex. In early 1971, the three CIA offi…”

Donald Gregg member_of Phoenix Program book_quoted ▶ 19:58

“SS tactic that the Germans used against the French resistance. I guess he doesn't know about Operation Gladio because that's where all of it comes from. It was standard Phoenix program operating proce…”

William Colby appointed Donald Gregg book_quoted ▶ 20:25

“Greg had worked under William Colby in the CIA Far East Division from 1961 to 64 as chief of the Vietnam desk at the CIA headquarters. When Colby became director of the CIA in 73, he promoted Greg to …”

George H.W. Bush succeeded William Colby book_quoted ▶ 21:17

“Unquote. Colby's public confessions and tough bargaining behind the scenes succeeded. The CIA was spared and Greg's career went upwards. When George H.W. Bush succeeded Colby as the director of the CI…”

George H.W. Bush appointed Donald Gregg book_quoted ▶ 21:42

“Obviously, he was hired as Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor, because that's where we found him in our other story for the Iran-Contra. Rudy Enders, assigned as Chief of the CIA Special …”

Rudy Enders recruited Felix Rodriguez book_quoted ▶ 21:42

William Colby member_of Office of Strategic Services book_quoted ▶ 23:43

“had to admit that Roman Catholic Colby was CIA royalty, bathed in the blood of the Lamb. As an OSS officer, Colby had parachuted into occupied France and fought Germany behind the scenes in France. He…”

Evan Parker Jr. member_of Office of Strategic Services book_quoted ▶ 25:45

“Special Operations Division, and it became an elite special operations group and cross-trained paramilitary officers that was known as low-intensity warfare. Enders and Gregg looked up to Parker with …”

Evan Parker Jr. member_of Jedburghs book_quoted ▶ 26:15

“Like Colby, he was one of less than 100 Americans trained with the OSS Jedbergs in Scotland. And the Jedbergs was the stay-behind units from the UK. See how this all overlaps? He was sent to Burma in …”

Roger Trinquier book_quoted Modern Warfare: A French View of Counterinsurgency book_quoted ▶ 29:13

“Parker visited Vietnam in 1952 to offer CIA assistance to a guy by the name of Roger Trinquier. And I'm going to spell that name because it's a French name. T-R-I-N-Q-U-I-E-R. He was a French counteri…”

Frank Lucas member_of Bumpy Johnson caller_asserted ▶ 1:23:14

“Good evening, Colonel. My question is this. I don't know if we discussed. Hold on, Thomas. Quiet. Okay. Thank you. Shut the door. My question is this. Was Frank Lucas, who is Bumpy Johnson's driver, b…”

Lucien Conein spied_on Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:24:14

“No, no, that's not what happened. The Lucien Koenig guy is the guy that wiped out the French connection. He was a double agent. They thought he was part of the mafia in France and part of their...…”

Lucien Conein ordered_assassination_of Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:24:32

“Gladio type operation there on the inside when he was actually working for the CIA. And he went in during the early Nixon administration on the quote unquote war on drugs and outed all of the mafia an…”

Mobutu Sese Seko member_of King Charles III caller_asserted ▶ 1:25:02

“That's how they got rid of the Corsican mafia and the French connection out of Vietnam. So go ahead, Stellar. I had a question about like the Mon Batons because, you know, he died in the boating accid…”

Mobutu Sese Seko threatened King Charles III host_asserted ▶ 1:26:59

“And when that happens, they basically start poking people in the chest because they basically got too big for their britches. And when that happens and they threat to out someone like Prince Charles, …”

Pavel Durov member_of Office of Naval Intelligence host_asserted ▶ 1:38:50

“Mike, have you ever even looked at who the guy's wife is? The guy's wife is CIA. Okay? She started out in Naval Intelligence. She was in the CIA. Her entire family's in media. What part of CIA don't y…”

Representative Michael McCaul member_of Office of Naval Intelligence host_asserted ▶ 1:39:47

“went back to Grok and said it's on their Family Foundation website that she used to be in the CIA. Why can you not find that? And then he just spit out this entire diatribe. Oh yeah, not only was she …”

Michigan State University trained Phoenix Program host_asserted ▶ 1:47:11

“Their criminal justice system went over there and actually set it up. They did all of the training. They created the schools. They wrote the curriculum. And they were basically on the payroll of the C…”

Provisional IRA assassinated Louis Mountbatten guest_asserted ▶ 2:01:39

“I could talk about a couple of things, but I wanted to make one comment about the provisional IRA and Lord Mountbatten. I'm not convinced that it's correct to view the actions of the provisional IRA t…”

Inter-Services Intelligence colluded_with Provisional IRA guest_asserted ▶ 2:02:07

“occupied six counties known as the North of Ireland and I also know people who were directly involved in the resistance. So I have some experience firsthand with this. There was direct collusion betwe…”

Operation Gladio infiltrated Red Brigades host_asserted ▶ 2:05:38

“and did investigations, they actually found out that most of the quote-unquote Red Brigade activity was the fascist, as part of Gladio operators, had infiltrated this workers' rights movement that got…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Italy host_asserted ▶ 2:05:38

Thomas McMahon assassinated Louis Mountbatten guest_asserted ▶ 2:06:07

“Yeah, they're great observations. I'm familiar with the history and the, of course, that was Ordean New Oval who was actually responsible for that attack and others as well. So I completely agree with…”

United States funded Bank for International Settlements guest_asserted ▶ 2:14:25

“Other countries having to hold on to dollars, then they buy American exports, and that led to the development of the World Bank, the IMF, and food aid programs, which itself is a fascinating history, …”

Henry Kissinger headed Bank for International Settlements guest_asserted ▶ 2:14:54

“with McNamara, Robert McNamara, and then Kissinger. And so that's the birth of the empire. The British lost theirs. The multipolarity disappeared. And I mention all of this because it ties and dovetai…”

Special Operations Executive front_for Operation Gladio guest_asserted ▶ 2:14:54

Robert F. Kennedy headed Bank for International Settlements guest_asserted ▶ 2:14:54

George F. Kennan involved_in Gehlen Organization guest_asserted ▶ 2:15:20

“100%, right? So that was full-on Operation Gladiator type stuff, right? Behind the lines type stuff. Very James Bond-ish. And so after that, then you had the development of the Gehlen, Reinhard Gehlen…”

United States dropped_ordinance_on Vietnam caller_asserted ▶ 2:19:18

“viet men being dragged behind tanks they show interrogations they show the tiger cages um they show agent orange devastation um and they you know have all these different uh displays that basically we…”

Facebook targeted_for_regime_change Liberian Civil War host_asserted ▶ 2:32:13

“I was absolutely outraged at this. I think no one should be removed from a platform unless they're clearly breaking the law. So I think this is a travesty of justice. And I would add that every single…”

Marie-Monique Robin exposed Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 2:41:16

“unfortunately, but her book is called Escadron de la Mort, which means Death Squads. And she goes into the entire history of the French involvement with Operation Gladio. The SDECE, the OAC, the Organ…”

U.S. Air Force paid Otto Skorzeny host_asserted ▶ 2:42:23

“After World War II, he was put up in Paris until he was noticed by someone, and they then moved him to Franco's Spain in order for him to be hired by NATO and paid through the Air Force in the United …”

Otto Skorzeny trained Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 2:42:23

Otto Skorzeny trained Organisation armée secrète host_asserted ▶ 2:42:52

“He trained the forces that went down and actually deployed with them to murder Lumumba in the Congo. You probably are well aware that he was all involved in the Algeria Civil War fight for freedom. An…”

Organisation armée secrète carried_out_attack Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 2:42:52

Sam Zemurray funded Harry S. Truman host_asserted ▶ 2:44:18

“Sam Zimory and how he funded Truman and that led to the creation of the State of Israel, UN Resolution 181. That whole story is fascinating. The British decided to not vote on that one because, again,…”