Operation Gladio - Prelude to Terror Chapter 15

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0:00 Okay, we're probably not going to have Bridget today. I'm not sure cousin it's going to be in. And things are just a little crazy today. So we're going to go ahead and get started. Bridget's entire internet thing. I don't know what she has, whether it was like line fed or satellite or whatever, but it crashed yesterday in the middle of the space. And so.

0:35 jet about out and it is still not fixed and they're not sure that they'll be able to fix it. And I told her, just go buy a Starlink, be done with it. So anyway, there's my commercial for Starlink. I will tell you guys, and I've not ever really discussed it in any depth at all, but we actually have two Starlink systems. We have one that we bring.

1:04 with us and in our RV. And we also have one here permanently at our house because all of our sprinkler systems and the security stuff is on the one here. We used to take it with us, but we stopped doing that now. Okay, let's see. Warhamster's texting me.

1:39 Oh, OK. Anyway, he had somebody he thought was someone else follow him only to find out it was a fake account. That happens to me like every day. You look at something, you're like, oh, so-and-so is following me. And then you're like, no, they're not. That's a fake account. And also, I will tell you that there are some like magic number that obviously were over that I did at least four or five DMs.

2:12 Bridget has it so that you can see DMs from people that doesn't follow you. Again, I don't know how any of that works, but they're all sexually explicit. So that just recently started. I don't know what that threshold is, but we've reached it. Congratulations. Oh, gosh. All right. So I'm going to turn on.

2:44 Rumble here and we're going to go ahead and get started. And if you guys wouldn't mind posting the space out on your pages and we're going to hit go live over here on Rumble and get going. Okay, so we're on chapter 15 of Prelude to Terror and we kind of finished up with the bush in the Safari Club.

3:25 yesterday. And we're going into Dan Field Turner, who becomes the CIA director. And it says when Jimmy Carter was elected in November 1976, George Bush had high hopes that Carter would keep him on as the director of Central Intelligence. But he did not. And Admiral

3:55 when Daniel Murphy and Hank Nocky went to Plains, Georgia, to brief Jimmy Carter after he had won the election, but prior to the inauguration day. Here's a quote. We were invited down to Plains two or three days after the election, said Nocky.

4:22 were to have a three-hour session with Carter and Mondale to brief them on the state of the world as we saw it. And I was going to describe some of the covert activities that we had underway. We had three hours down there with them that turned into eight hours. We were there well into the evening. It was a fascinating session, unquote. When they arrived, George asked if he could see.

4:52 The two of them privately before we got into the briefing and they were gone for about 10 or 15 minutes. It was during that private meeting that the president elect with the president elect that Bush asked Carter if he would be staying on as the CIA director. Carter said he expected to point his own man to the job on their way back. Bush told me that he had told them.

5:25 that he wanted to resign effective Inauguration Day, and that was perfectly acceptable to them. George Bush had effectively made the nonpartisan CIA directorship political by saying that he would leave when President Gerald Ford left. Nolke said, quote, and I told George how I felt about that. You don't, you have done the thing none of us wanted to ever have associated with the directorship.

5:55 You have politicized it. You have, in fact, opened yourself up to a political assignment for the new administration, unquote. And he recognized that. Life was a series of up and down, according to him. And he said that it was a calculation on where you come out, either on the upside or the downside. And that's why he did it.

6:20 Jimmy Carter had campaigned against the rogue CIA. He had promised to get the agency under control. Even before he was sworn in, the agency considered Carter an enemy. Carter first nominated former Kennedy speechwriter Theodore Sorensen to be the new director, but the appointment failed when it became obvious that Sorensen could not get Senate backing because he was very liberal.

6:45 It was clear that if Carter could not get his first choice for CIA director through a democratically controlled Senate, he was in for a very rough four years. On inauguration day, President Carter asked Hank Nocky to serve as an acting director until Carter's next choice, Admiral Stanford Stanfield Turner, could be confirmed, which happened on March 9th, 1977, about six weeks.

7:14 after his inauguration. Turner had first impressed Carter during their days together at the Naval Academy. Turner had finished first in their class. Eventually, he had become head of the Naval War College, but Turner's temperament and personality proved a disaster for Carter. Turner certainly was no expert on intelligence. The CIA was a strange place that had a culture foreign to him. To protect himself,

7:41 He brought with him a whole battery of Navy men and dispatched them throughout the agency. When they started delving deeply into the operations, the CIA bureaucrats took action. Turner and Carter vowed to put aside the good old boy network and started promoting the young Turks, whereas Bush had praised the agency and its employees and admired the old boy network. Turner and Carter, quite rightly, held the network responsible for a series of scandals.

8:09 that broke throughout the 1970s. Turner and Carter declared war on the traditional CIA. It was full-heartedly a declaration made by two men who were unprepared and naive for what they had taken on. Not only were they not equipped to battle the CIA, they did not even know the location of the battlefields. The war, they declared, eventually reached an intensity that neither man could have imagined.

8:38 In the end, Carter lost all control over the clandestine operations, and also he lost the presidency. Admiral Turner inherited Hank Nolke as his deputy, according to General Sam Wilson, a Berlin operations base veteran. You guys remember that thing that we talked about was called Bob, Berlin operation base, part of NATO's Operation Gladio. So General Sam Wilson.

9:10 who was a veteran of Bob, who had hopes of replacing Nolke, Turner soon discovered that Nolke was going around him directly to the National Security Council and the White House officials. On several occasions, Turner had showed up at the White House to find Nolke had already been there. The intelligence community looked upon Carter not as their commander-in-chief, but as a temporary caretaker of a political asylum.

9:37 When Turner decided that he was going to clean house and it was going to begin with Ted Shackley, Shackley and his colleagues planned the president's removal from office and the return of the banished old boys. At the same time, Turner was attempting to complete transformation of the CIA. He was carrying out a major change, of course, in the Middle East, a dramatic further distancing of the CIA from the Israeli intelligence network.

10:06 enemy of Israel, but he and Carter believed strongly in Israel. But Carter also was bothered by Israel's reluctance to even consider a Palestinian homeland. And both men believed that if the Middle East peace process was ever going to have a chance, the U.S. needed to treat Israel and her Arab neighbors more even-handedly. According to Robert Crowley, one of the CIA guys that gave his papers to Trento,

10:33 In mid-1977, right after Turner had taken over the CIA, the Israelis dispatched, quote, a small three-person delegation to see Turner and say, great to have you aboard. To their immense shock, Turner told them they would no longer get special attention at the agency, no more special contact with the counterintelligence unit. They would have to work with regular Near East channels like everybody else.

11:03 Near East Department was filled with Arabs and Arabists. The Mossad was very upset. Only someone of Shackley's experience could understand the damage Turner's decision had done and the opportunity that it would bring. It was an opportunity Shackley was not about to let slip. According to Crowley, Shackley went out, dropped a quarter in the telephone and contacted Mossad. He went around Turner.

11:31 and contacted Mossad and said that he would be their man in the agency. Shackley moved quickly to fill Angleton's void. Angleton's Mossad contacts called the retired counterintel chief, who was spending most of his days holding court with reporters at the Washington Army Navy Club. The Israelis asked him about Shackley's overtures. According to Crowley and Corson, both friends of Angleton's, he did not give Shackley high marks. It didn't matter.

12:00 Israel was desperate for inside friends. The Carter administration seemed determined to force Israel into a peace treaty with Egypt. Mossad was already aware that Andrew Young, Carter's UN ambassador, was meeting secretly with the PLO in New York. All the signs told Mossad that they needed Shackley and his access to the CIA. Ed Wilson had reason to know how right the Israelis were.

12:31 not to trust anyone in the Near East Division of the CIA. The Libyans called Wilson into military intelligence headquarters in Tripoli on a regular basis to examine highly classified CIA documents that dealt with the region. Wilson became convinced that one of Qaddafi's supporters in the U.S. had recruited someone inside the CIA. Wilson said, there was more and more evidence to me, and I reported it back.

12:58 that they had someone on the inside, or they were getting information from Russians who had someone on the inside. Periodically, they showed me CIA documents asking me to interpret them and asking me what the slugs on the document meant. I could easily see they were very serious Middle East death documents. One of the Israelis' main sources Shackley could turn to was Wilson.

13:26 and his great connections inside of Libya. This proved to be politically fatal for Turner and Carter. It was the political equivalent of throwing chum in a stark infested water. For 20 years, starting in 1950, Israel had had a special relationship with the CIA, since the CIA's Middle and Near East divisions were extraordinarily pro-Arab.

13:54 James Angleton had ran the Israeli account totally out of his counterintelligence division. Angleton had protected the Israelis, and in turn, they had provided him with intelligence out of the Soviet Union and Middle East that no one else had. After the surprise attack in 1973 war, Israel realized just how dependent they had become on the CIA for help.

14:20 For the year he remained at the CIA after Colby fired him in 1974, Angleton made certain that Israel got the satellite pictures, telephone intercepts, and the warnings about her neighbors that helped ensure her survival. This had changed during George Bush's tenure as the director of central intelligence, but there was still, still had been no outright break, according to Angleton.

14:49 Wilson, for all of his blindness towards the people like Shackley and Clines, knew instinctively whom to hire. Shackley and Clines had no hesitation in exploiting Wilson's talent scouting abilities. No single military man Wilson ever put on his payroll would have had a greater effect on the Middle East than former Air Force Brigadier General J.J. Capucci.

15:20 He was a Mr. Magoo type character. Capucci had solved an enormous problem for the U.S. after Gaddafi's well-timed coup. In the early 1968, the United States was still cooperating with Gaddafi. However, the CIA station chief had on his payroll a Libyan middleman as a loyal U.S. agent was a certain target for death if Gaddafi ever caught him.

15:48 According to Wilson, the CIA guy took this guy to Willis Air Force Base, which was the U.S. military base in Libya. And he took him out of Libya and delivered him to Spain. What the CIA didn't know was the guy took King Idris' crown jewels. Qaddafi was furious and threatened to close the base.

16:15 That is when the five-foot, two-inch Brigadier General came to the rescue. Capucci, and you spell his name C-A-P-P-U-C-C-I, he spoke perfect Italian, and he had made his reputation living behind enemy lines in various Italian whorehouses during World War II and passing information out of the country. According to Wilson, Capucci picked up the crown jewels from the CIA and returned them.

16:45 He saved Libyan-American relations for a few years. For that reason, Wilson added him to a stable of ex-military stars. Wilson thought he could improve relations with Libya. What Wilson did not know was that Capucci's strongest connections were not in Libya, but in Egypt, when Anwar Sadat was a growing thorn in Gaddafi's side.

17:10 While Wilson was in Libya, Klein cultivated Capusti to do more and more work in Egypt, not because of business prospects, but to supply Shackley intelligence for his new Israeli friends. Shackley would tell Wilson and others that it was up to them to preserve the CIA's covert operation capabilities, while Turner and Carter was trying to dismantle it. So I just want to kind of...

17:39 go back and highlight something for you guys, because this stuff just keeps popping up. Now, they're talking about in 1968. We know that in 1967 is when the USS Liberty incident occurred. So what's really interesting about this is the interaction between Libya and Egypt in relationship to...

18:09 Israel, knowing what we know, also knowing about crypto AG and the fact that the CIA, again, why these people don't even acknowledge that system existed. They're spying on Egypt. They know everything about Egypt at the CIA. And they want us to believe like they're going blind or they're operating in the blind as it relates to all of this stuff.

18:39 Because we don't know they know. But we do know. Because we found out. Chapter 16, the setup. In February 1977, at the Statler Hilton Hotel, a few blocks down from the White House, two FBI agents, William Hart, H-A-R-T, and Thomas Noste, N-O-S-T-H-E,

19:09 interviewed Ed Wilson for the first time. They asked Wilson about an allegation that he was a paid CIA explosive expert and asked him if he had paid another CIA explosive expert by the name of William David Eisenberger to build explosive timer prototypes for Libya. Wilson was friendly, but refused to name his lawyer or make his financial records available.

19:38 Wilson told the agents that his records show nothing incriminating. Wilson had been caught by surprise. He had no idea that Ted Shackley had been the source of the FBI allegation. Shackley, at this time the Associate Deputy Director of Operations, understood that Carter's election and his desire to reform the CIA were not going to be helpful to either him or his beliefs. Shackley

20:07 who still had ambitions to be the director of Central Intelligence, believed that without his many sources and operatives like Wilson, the Safari Club operating with Helms in charge of it from Tehran would be ineffective. Shackley was well aware that Helms was under criminal investigation for lying to Congress. So, you know, it's a bunch of crooks. And remember that Helms was in charge for lying.

20:38 to Congress about what the CIA did in the overthrow of Allende in Chile. Shackley had testified before the same grand jury. Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of the intelligence operation soon, the Safari Club would not be a good conduit for his old job. The solution was to create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced.

21:10 Shackley felt he had the opportunity to control intelligence operations if he had the resources available. The operations that were the most secret were those that were involving the mutual interest of the CIA and Saudi Arabia, but they went beyond just the Middle East. These private resources totaled only a small amount of the entire CIA covert budget, but their power came from the fact that the operations were the most sensitive that the CIA undertook.

21:41 Using Tom Clines, whom Wilson totally trusted, Shackley began to move in on Wilson's far-flung operations on two different tracks. First, he would use Clines to take over Wilson's businesses, and then he would get Wilson out of the way by convincing the prosecutors to prosecute him. Events that followed shortly after Turner took over the CIA played right into Shackley's hands. Shackley, who had been made

22:12 who had made a career out of successfully placing disinformation in news media, arranged for the Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward to get information falsely implicating Wilson in the Latier case, which is the assassination of the former ambassador to Chile. Well, from Chile to the U.S. When Woodward received Shackley's information that Wilson had tried to procure

22:40 explosive timers just prior to the bombing, he used it in a bizarre news story that appeared April 12, 1977. The story had two effects. First, since Turner had been unaware of Wilson's attempted procurement, it made Turner's inherited deputy, Hank Nocky, look like he was keeping something from his boss. Second, when Woodward called Lettier's prosecutor,

23:09 Larry Barcella for comment, he caught Barcella by surprise. Barcella, already prompted by Shackley, now felt pressed to seriously examine the accusations. Woodward, who was a naval intelligence background guy, had known Admiral Turner since the mid-1960s.

23:35 After the story ran, Turner asked Woodward to hold off on any more stories until Turner had a chance to investigate it. Turner later wrote in his autobiography, quote, as the new man in the agency had nothing to hide and every reason to want to know if this kind of thing was actually going on, unquote. Turner's public affairs officer, Herbert Petu, H-E-T-U, promised Woodward.

24:03 and exclusive on Wilson if Woodward would give him a few days to sort out what was going on. Woodward apparently thought that the prospect of a scoop was worth him holding back a bit. But Turner had no one to turn to for information about Wilson other than Shackley and the Directorate of Operations. According to Wilson, Shackley's associate, Bob Ritchie, which we've come across multiple times in Operation Gladio,

24:30 under direct orders from Shackley, had done a very good job of cleansing the records, according to Wilson and his lawyers. There was not a shred of paper on Wilson's recent activity anywhere in the agency. This is a setup. Ritchie was keeping quite busy in the mid-1970s, according to the FBI. He had been on the scene at the Watergate break-in and had escaped. After the break-in, the CIA had transferred him to the Dallas office.

25:00 Ritchie eventually ended up working for a company called Around the World Shipping, who just so happens to have been a Edwin Wilson front company located in Houston. He did this while he was still on the payroll at the CIA, further telling us all that Edwin Wilson was CIA. One of the ways Shackley buried the information

25:28 Wilson provided was to hide it in a special CIA Army intel file and credit the material to sources from Chi Chi Quintero. It was a clever way of both disguising just how much material Wilson had provided and a way to launder it before Shackley fed it to the Saudis and the Israelis, according to Wilson and Klein. An incomplete intelligence report.

25:59 would go to Major Pat Hughes at Army Intelligence while Klein fed a much more detailed one to Shackley. Turner had no way of knowing Wilson's file had been cleaned out. Just for a little spice, an entry had been made in the file indicating that his departure from the CIA was because of expense account problems and disagreement over listing a CIA company as a collateral for a personal loan.

26:27 The allegations were false, but it did not matter. Wilson was now a certifiable bad guy and no less an authority than Admiral Turner was broadcasting that back to the world based on false information that the CIA put in his file. In the last months of 1976, the traps had been laid for Wilson, but he didn't even know it yet. Even after the Vela Verde fiasco in Libya,

26:57 Wilson was again expanding his business connections. Thanks to his payoffs to several government officials, he was able to land contracts from construction services in Washington to Army Corps of Engineers projects in Saudi Arabia. Wilson, who five years earlier had been afraid of government auditors finding mistakes in his book, was now routinely putting government officials on his payroll. Wilson was relying more and more on a guy by the name of Douglas.

27:28 Slatter, S-D-H-L-A-C-H-T-E-R, who had little education and a big ego to do everything from picking him up at the airports and making cash payoffs to government officials. One official who Slatter paid off for Wilson was a guy by the name of Paul Sear, C-Y-R. He worked at the Federal Energy Administration. Slatter had met Sear while hunting.

27:58 Sear was subsequently instrumental to getting Wilson loans and contracts from Sear's agency. Sear was one of the few who said that he did witness Shackley levying intelligence requirements on Wilson during one of Wilson's monthly trips home. A claimed federal prosecutor, Larry Barcella, and the CIA executive directly flatly denied. End sworn testimony in federal court.

28:28 Sears said that between 1977 and 79, he attended several meetings with Wilson and Shackley. At one of those meetings, Shackley asked Wilson to try to obtain Soviet military equipment in Libya, especially an SA-8 missile or a MiG-26. Shirley Brill is another person who witnessed Shackley and Klein asking Wilson to do intelligence work inside of Libya because he was working for the CIA. Quote,

28:58 Ed routinely turned in intelligence information on Libya to Tom and to Shackley, sometimes through Chi-Chi and other times through others on their way back to the United States, Brill said. She had worked for the CIA since 1960, but had never met Tom Klein until 1976 when she was waiting for a girlfriend at a crowded suburban Virginia lounge. Brill was an attractive, brassy blonde who immediately caught Klein's attention.

29:26 Fine asked her if he and Schlachter could join her. Over the next few years, Brill was an eyewitness to remarkable history. Richard Peterson, spelled P-E-D-E-R-S-O-N, one of the three key government investigators on the Wilson case, described Shirley Brill as the one person who had the most complete knowledge of what these people were doing, who was not part of their operation.

29:55 She was truthful and gave us the complete picture. Yet Peterson and his colleagues never pursued any lead she gave them. Until now, most of what Shirley Brill witnessed and what the federal investigators confirmed was never made public. She was present when Shackley, Klein, and Von Marbog and Secord made their plans, tampered with classified documents, made their payoff, and finally sold Ed Wilson out.

30:24 She traveled with them, she watched them work with heads of state, and in the end realized that none of it was official, that in fact they, not Wilson, were the intelligence officers that had gone rogue. Brill Klein's romance lasted through the crucial years of the Shackley-Klein operation. Brill stuck with Klein even though he could be remarkably cruel to her. He often

30:51 later surprised her with a kindness or an extravagant gift or a trip to make amends. It never occurred to her that one of the attractions she continued to have for Klein might have been that she had access to some of the most highly classified documents and photographs the U.S. had, not only satellite pictures, but also that of defector files. Klein himself did not have access to these materials, but Brill claims that she never supplied any documents to Klein.

31:20 but that he regularly asked her about classified documents. For years, she said, I would watch Klein operate outside the law on the instructions of Shackley and get away with it. Chi Chi Quintero, who lived in Miami with his family, was a frequent visitor at Brill's house. All of Tom's friends stayed at my home, just like Tom did. She grew very concerned when at her home, she saw Quintero cut classifications off of CIA documents.

31:50 on a regular basis and throw them away. Brill said Tom and I had some problems over that. I said to him, where did you get them? And he said, Shirley, don't ask me questions. He also said, Shirley, go in the other room. But they were cutting the classifications off of them, and I know the code words because I had worked with them a long time ago. He should not have had those documents. Brill observed that the absolute spell Shackley held over

32:21 Klein, when she met Shackley and his wife, Hazel, she found the tall, blonde CIA officer very laid back and almost shy. Klein told her Shackley was paranoid and would not work with anyone but Klein. Shackley had a particular fondness for German food from his Berlin days, and so he would often meet Klein at the Old Europe restaurant in Washington, D.C. Brill also watched Klein betray Wilson.

32:51 He simply took over Wilson's operation while Wilson was in Libya. He recruited Wilson's people like Flachter. Brill got to know and like Ed Wilson. She found him extremely generous to Clines, constantly lending him money and backing his real estate deals. It bothered Brill a great deal that Clines began bad-mouthing Wilson and flatly told her that both Decord and he were building a legal case against Wilson, basically setting him up.

33:20 Tom called Ed the dumb son of a bitch, unquote. Also, he said, the dumb son of a bitch still thinks he works for the CIA. She said, wait a minute. That's no one's fault but your own. You're the one that's telling him that he's still working for the CIA. Tom said, we're going to get Ed out of the way. Brill then met General Richard Secord, where he...

33:50 when he returned home on leave from his position in Iran. Now, remember, Helms is over in Iran as the ambassador, and General Secord is stationed in Iran. And they all end up in the Iran-Contra deal. Big shocker. So Secord continued to be Wilson's partner, and Wilson was grateful to him. An airport radar system that Albert Hakim and...

34:18 Fred Turple wanted to sell to Iran could only be sold if the contract was commercial, not military. Wilson said that Secord used his influence in Iran to arrange for the transfer of the military contract to a civilian one. According to Wilson, this was the only way that he could make a profit on the contract. As head of the Air Force Military Assistance Office in 1970, Secord was associated with $13 billion worth of Iranian projects.

34:49 $13 billion. Years later, he and Hakim would play major roles in the Iran-Contra. Beau Secord kept his word to Wilson and arranged for the contract transfer. Wilson, in turn, asked Secord what he could do for him. Secord told Wilson that he wanted a plane to fly for visits to Washington. He said that he did not expect the airlift to be in his name or anything, but he wanted use of it.

35:17 Secord had for years denied anything other than operational relationship with Ed Wilson. Brill contradicts Secord's version of events. She led the FBI to evidence that Wilson bought the airplane, a twin-engine Beechcraft Baron, worth several hundred thousand dollars for Secord's exclusive use and arranged with Page Airways at Dulles for the general to be able to charge expenses for the plane.

35:45 to a fictitious name so Secord would not be linked to Wilson while he was still on active duty. Secord used the plane to fly Klein, Brill, Quintero, and other associates to Florida. Wilson's favors towards Secord meant that his business... Okay, that's crazy. Let's see. That is playing games again. Shut down.

36:37 Our space. Okay. Let me get SR 71 back over here. Let me make sure that he gets up here to co-host. All right. There we go. All right. Can you hear me? SR 71? Yes, ma'am. Yeah. I don't know. They just dumped our whole space. That's so hard for me to believe that anything that we're talking about is so controversial that they would just like.

37:19 This is every single time we do a space. It's absolutely ridiculous. All right. It's education they don't want anybody to know about, Colonel. It's just crazy. I mean, whatever. Anybody can buy the stupid book and read it themselves. They just don't have all the background I do. All right. So we left off with Wilson saying that he had no idea he'd been double crossed and that Klein.

37:48 had assured him that he had basically stopped the investigation into him that they had actually set up to set him up. So while Bush was still at the CIA, Loomis had merely been reassigned with no loss of grade or position. Explosives expert William Weisenberger had received a letter of reprimand and had been told that he could no longer meet with CIA contractors.

38:17 Wilson had no hint that he was a suspect in the Orlando Latier bombing or that he was under any investigation beyond a minor CIA internal issue. Complicating all of this was the divided loyalties inside the CIA with the old boys versus the new boys. Shackley and Klein, largely on the basis of intelligence supplied by Wilson, were looking beyond the faltering Shah of Iran.

38:44 to Egypt and Israel, while Helms, the Cord, and von Marbog had huge personal investments in the Shah's regime. As for Wilson, he was basically dedicated to making money. He wasn't loyal to anybody. His attitude was to carry out whatever he got told to do. Wilson rationalized his dealings with two murderous regimes, Iran and Libya, through the intelligence gathering he was doing, he thought, for the CIA.

39:14 For all of his expertise as an arms dealer and front man, Wilson had been inexplicably obtuse in his personal dealings. Frank Turple was a classic example. Wilson would brag that he underplayed people to make someone like Jacqueline Klein believe that he was less savvy. Turple clearly did that successfully to Wilson. In Libya in September 1976, Wilson and Turple had a problem.

39:44 After the Velaverde brothers and Quintero refused to come to Libya, they had to find a way to get Douglas Slatter and John Harper Jr. released. The Libyans had already put up $300,000 for their explosive school, and they were keeping Slatter and Harper under house arrest until they could get other people in to teach.

40:09 introduced Wilson to a California explosive exporter named Jerome Brower, B-R-O-W-E-R. Unfortunately for Wilson, there were two things he didn't know about Brower. One was that Brower took shortcuts on U.S. customs regulations, and the other was that Brower had hired active-duty Navy explosive experts to moonlight for him. He went to Los Angeles to see Brower.

40:40 Broward agreed to sell explosives and furnish four men for Turple's contract in Libya. I emphasized to him that the responsibility for the shipment was his and that he had to do it legally. Broward found four men. What I didn't know until after my arrest in 1982 is that two of the men, Dennis Wilson and Smith, were on classified projects for the Navy.

41:05 Had Ed Wilson understood that Broward had connections not only to Turple, but also to Israeli and Iranian middleman Albert Hakim, then what happened next would have made much more sense to him. These highly trained Navy spies from China Lake Navy facility were not in Libya by accident. They were never called to testify in Wilson's trial.

41:28 Had they been, the American people would have learned that one of Broward's men had begun to plot a coup against Gaddafi with the help and encouragement of Douglas Slather. Wilson said, I had other jobs to do and make a living, so I left the project in Turple's hands. All I was interested in was covering my Iranian operations and getting my money back. I arrived in Libya in the fall.

41:55 late fall and found that they had began a class with 10 soldiers on training of explosive ordnance. They found they could not do the job. They just gave us 10 common soldiers. They didn't have any education. They spoke no English and they were totally incompetent. Dennis Wilson and the other three Navy guys tried to train them for several days, but it didn't work. One of the men working with Dennis Wilson was a guy by the name of John Heath.

42:24 He turned out to be a pretty good worker. He stayed for about four years. When the first three men left, Broward continued to furnish more men, but Wilson later learned that Broward had tried to steal the explosive contract Wilson had inherited from Turple. In addition, Wilson had other more pressing problems. He recalled, quote, John Heath came to me one day and said that Dennis Wilson

42:50 who had been with me for now three months, was drunk and was talking to one of the local Libyans and had a couple of guns, they were planning to overthrow Gaddafi and get involved in some sort of revolution. I knew that was the only thing that would get me shot, Wilson said. So I took John Slatter and found Dennis Wilson, found that he was meeting with some dissidents and planning to overthrow the Gaddafi regime.

43:19 I got him back to his hotel and told him that he was fired. He threatened to kill me. We disarmed the guy, and the next morning, I took him out of Libya to Geneva. To make matters worse, in order to get closer to Gaddafi regime, Ed Wilson embraced the Syrian faction of the PLO. The PLO was so strong in Libya that it had actually been integrated into Gaddafi's armed forces.

43:47 Wilson met with the top PLO leaders on a regular basis. His actions were making the Mossad and the Saudi intelligence nervous. Something would prove very important to Shackley and Klein. According to Sarkis, S-A-R-K-I-S, Solhanalian, the guy with the weird name, S-O-G-H-A-N-A-L-I-A-N.

44:16 Wilson had been led into a trap through his relationship with Turple and Hakim. The financing for all of his deals were now controlled by lawyers and bankers with absolute loyalty to Kamal Adem. And Kamal Adem is the Saudi intel guy. Adem was funding all of the operations through BCCI. According to Adem's attorney, the loans

44:44 were then passed out to the names of various members of the Saudi family, including Prince Turkey, Wilson's old benefactor. Wilson foolishly wrote Dennis Wilson's coup attempt off as Middle East fever. In fact, Ed Wilson was in the middle of a series of intelligence operations that were running at cross purposes. The fact that the Shah of Iran and Israeli intelligence

45:14 Both wanted Qaddafi replaced should have been obvious to Wilson. Had he known that Turpel and Hakim were working for Israeli intelligence, he might have realized what was going on. So, again, you've got these factions, obviously, at this period of time, ending love with Iran in order, basically the Shias, in order to keep the Sunnis contained. That later changes.

45:45 And you have the Israelis with the U.S. beginning to use and heavily depend upon Saudi intelligence. And there's a realignment. And when that realignment, which is what Wilson is caught in the middle of right now, this is when it started. And when that realignment happens, all hell breaks loose.

46:11 Edwin Wilson is going to be caught in the middle of it and made a scapegoat as a result of that. So anyway, that's it for today. And we're going to open it up for questions or comments if anybody has them. If you guys wouldn't mind reposting the space since we got dumped out and we will see if we lost you.

46:45 I'm looking at SR71's comments over here on Rumble. See what else we got. Oh, yes. So thank you, Elwood, over on Rumble for reminding me to tell everybody. I was invited by Ghost of Base Patrick Henry to Beyond Breaking History tomorrow at noon. We are going to be talking about Syria. And it's so apropos.

47:16 that we're going to be talking about Syria because we're talking about Libya, Iran, and Saudi, and we just were talking all about BCCI, and it's all related. We're basically going to go back to kind of like post-World War II and go through the history of Syria like we would do on here, but we're going to do it over on Breaking History.

47:45 And kind of bring you up to, I don't know if he wants to dedicate two shows to it, but it's a lot. Once I got all of my notes consolidated, there's a shit ton of stuff about Syria. And of course, Syria is ongoing. And we all know about the fact that like Russia, Syria and Gaddafi, they refuse to play along with the Western oligarchs and the international syndicate.

48:15 And there has been ongoing regime change and they have stuck it to the man. You know, they're still standing just like Putin and they can't stand it. The man, NATO, international syndicate, all of the above. So anyway, it'll be a great show. I love doing the show with those guys. They're brilliant and definitely challenges you.

48:46 to think about the context of how all of these things unfold. So do we have any questions or comments? Deller, SR71, anything? What I find strange about this time period, Colonel, is when we're looking at this time period, I recall there were a lot of things going on with OPEC. OPEC was at the point where they were breaking apart.

49:20 and starting to sell individually rather than as a block. Also about that time, we wound up with Abscam. So all of this, I'm not sure how all of that fits into all of this. So that's a good question. Let me just tell you that I think all of the...

49:52 quote unquote, OPEC oil issues were all contrived. Now that I know that it was Jimmy Carter that tried to hold the CIA accountable, much like JFK did, and that it was Jimmy Carter that linked foreign aid to human rights and cut off the conference and cut off the assholes in Angola and all of the other places that the CIA was trying to.

50:23 fund their terrorist organizations as opposed to legitimate government. It all makes a lot more sense now as to why they sabotaged consistently Jimmy Carter. And believe me, I'm not a Jimmy Carter fan. I'm just saying that he got on the wrong side. We just read about it. He got on the wrong side of the CIA early on.

50:50 I would have to go back and individually look at the sequence of events. But in doing research of other countries, it has become really apparent to me that Saudi Arabia, through Shackley and Turple and all of these other guys in the CIA,

51:18 were linked at the hip with the CIA. And so when the CIA decided Jimmy Carter had to go, one of the contrived economic sabotage, like the economic hitman guy, they actually did an economic hit job on the United States. So we were attacked by our own CIA assets and agents with the quote unquote oil problem.

51:49 in order to agitate the population to turn against Jimmy Carter. So I think that's what happened with that part of your question. And yes, the ab scam, which basically, for those of you who don't know, was a sting operation. And it led to, it was a sting operation that was ran on Congress.

52:19 And they were basically looking for corruption and stuff like that. And I have not done a good job of going back and looking at that in light of all of this new stuff that we've found out. Because, again, you guys have to understand that for all of since World War Two.

52:45 CIA has embedded themselves in the FBI. So you really have to question whether you're dealing with FBI or you're dealing with CIA that looks like FBI. And the same is true with the military. They've embedded themselves in the military. And so you have to go back and look because some of these people like Zingleb and Paul Helliwell, these guys were never actual military officers. They don't have normal military officer careers. They show up as military officers.

53:14 And they hold this rank over the course of the time. But almost the entire time they're holding the military rank, they're off doing CIA jobs. They're not doing anything military at all. And so it's now that we know that we look at things completely different as to with our Gladio glasses on, to steal that phrase.

53:39 And so I would have to go back and look at ABSCAM, which I will do. I'll add it to the list because it took down a lot of senators, but it may have taken down a lot of senators that were trying to hold the CIA accountable. I just don't know that without going back and reviewing it. I have not looked at that in a long time, but I will do that. That's a great point, SR71.

54:05 All valid points on your part, Colonel. I hadn't thought about it that way, but what a better way to do it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And just looking cursory over the list, I just wanted to look it up real quick on who got targeted. Basically, they were targeting primarily Democrats, which makes sense because they would have been the ones aligned with Carter.

54:34 It may in fact be exactly that, but we'll see. Oh, where did Stellar go? Stellar told me she had to drop. Okay. All right. So anybody else have anything or are we going to call it an early night today? All right. I know I can't get snow to talk on here. So, but I see you anyway.

55:16 All right, guys, we're going to call it a day. I appreciate you guys being here. And sorry about the. Did they just drop me again? No. OK, my whole screen went blank again. I'm like, holy crap. Not twice in one day. All right. So anyway. OK, so we are going to do a show. I'm planning on doing a show tomorrow.

55:47 But we do have a lot of stuff in preparation for Thanksgiving. So just kind of be flexible with me. It may end up getting canceled depending on how all of that goes. But I appreciate you guys all being here. I obviously will not do a show on Thursday and we'll kind of play Friday by ear. I do not do the whole shopping thing. That's not me. So we will more than likely do a show on Friday.

56:16 this week will be flexible. All right. Thanks, everybody, for being here. Appreciate it.

Entities here

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Claims made here

Shirley Brill spied_on Tom Clines book_quoted ▶ 31:20

“but that he regularly asked her about classified documents. For years, she said, I would watch Klein operate outside the law on the instructions of Shackley and get away with it. Chi Chi Quintero, who…”

Richard Shackley ordered_assassination_of Tom Clines book_quoted ▶ 32:21

“Klein, when she met Shackley and his wife, Hazel, she found the tall, blonde CIA officer very laid back and almost shy. Klein told her Shackley was paranoid and would not work with anyone but Klein. S…”

Tom Clines funded Edwin Wilson book_quoted ▶ 32:51

“He simply took over Wilson's operation while Wilson was in Libya. He recruited Wilson's people like Flachter. Brill got to know and like Ed Wilson. She found him extremely generous to Clines, constant…”

Tom Clines framed Edwin Wilson book_quoted ▶ 32:51

Tom Clines recruited Flachter book_quoted ▶ 32:51

Richard Secord supplied_arms_to Iran book_quoted ▶ 34:18

“Fred Turple wanted to sell to Iran could only be sold if the contract was commercial, not military. Wilson said that Secord used his influence in Iran to arrange for the transfer of the military contr…”

Richard Secord member_of Iran-Contra affair host_asserted ▶ 34:49

“$13 billion. Years later, he and Hakim would play major roles in the Iran-Contra. Beau Secord kept his word to Wilson and arranged for the contract transfer. Wilson, in turn, asked Secord what he coul…”

Edwin Wilson funded Richard Secord book_quoted ▶ 35:17

“Secord had for years denied anything other than operational relationship with Ed Wilson. Brill contradicts Secord's version of events. She led the FBI to evidence that Wilson bought the airplane, a tw…”

Richard Shackley targeted_for_regime_change Reza Pahlavi book_quoted ▶ 38:17

“Wilson had no hint that he was a suspect in the Orlando Latier bombing or that he was under any investigation beyond a minor CIA internal issue. Complicating all of this was the divided loyalties insi…”

William Colby targeted_for_regime_change Reza Pahlavi book_quoted ▶ 38:44

“to Egypt and Israel, while Helms, the Cord, and von Marbog had huge personal investments in the Shah's regime. As for Wilson, he was basically dedicated to making money. He wasn't loyal to anybody. Hi…”

Jerome Brower supplied_arms_to Libya book_quoted ▶ 40:40

“Broward agreed to sell explosives and furnish four men for Turple's contract in Libya. I emphasized to him that the responsibility for the shipment was his and that he had to do it legally. Broward fo…”

Dennis Wilson attempted_coup_against Muammar Gaddafi book_quoted ▶ 41:28

“Had they been, the American people would have learned that one of Broward's men had begun to plot a coup against Gaddafi with the help and encouragement of Douglas Slather. Wilson said, I had other jo…”

Douglas Slatter attempted_coup_against Muammar Gaddafi book_quoted ▶ 41:28

Kamal Adham funded Edwin Wilson book_quoted ▶ 44:16

“Wilson had been led into a trap through his relationship with Turple and Hakim. The financing for all of his deals were now controlled by lawyers and bankers with absolute loyalty to Kamal Adem. And K…”

BCCI laundered_money_for Kamal Adham book_quoted ▶ 44:16