Operation Gladio- Prelude to Terror Chapter 11_12

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0:00 Okay, here we are on the anniversary again of Deb Kaye's assassination. And hopefully everybody got a chance to listen to our spur of the moment show that we did earlier with War Hamster, one of my favorite co-hosts. And just kind of throwing all the...

0:30 Gladio stuff together that we've learned as it related to his presidency. And anyway, we can talk about that at the end. I do not know if, oh, there she is. I was just going to say, I don't know if she's going to get here, but she just mysteriously pops up. So if you guys can repost the space out and we will.

1:01 get started. We are on Chapter 11, which is called Operation Watchtower, and this one starts off with George Bush's activity that later came back to haunt him from his CIA days. None of his CIA covert actions was more

1:31 inexplicable than his relationship with the Pandemanian strongman Manuel Noriega. The records show that Bush Sr. put Noriega on the CIA's payroll. Even after Bush had left the CIA, he kept in touch with Noriega through Admiral Daniel Murphy. Bush's second most senior advisor at the CIA after

2:01 a guy by the name of Noste, N-K-N-O-C-H-E, and later his chief of staff in his first term as vice president. Behind the relationship between Bush and Noriega may have been the first attempt by America's private intelligence network to finance operations in Latin America in the drug operations. It was not, but that sounds nice.

2:32 The question is, did Bush understand the relationship between the director of operations and General Noriega when Bush acceded to their request that he meet with Noriega and place them on the CIA payroll? Because, again, the narrative these guys are trying to push on us is that Bush had never worked at the CIA before he became director, which we know is a bold-faced lie.

3:00 was Bush used in an elaborate scam to conduct a drug operation for profit under the name of the CIA when it was really benefiting others. Well, it benefited a whole lot of people to include the CIA. They are not mutually exclusive. Behind the payoff to Noriega was an illegal military operation the CIA conducted in Colombia in conjunction with Israeli intelligence called Operation Watchtower.

3:30 Watchtower had begun within a month of Bush's assuming the CIA director's job. And it was about the same time that he was having his first meeting with Noriega, who then was the head of Panama's intelligence services. In other words, his peer. Officially, the topic at hand was a series of terrorist bombings aimed at the Canal Zone.

4:01 Citizens opposed to the proposed treaty that would give Panama control of the canal. In reality, the meeting had far more ominous implications. That was a pretext. In 1980, Colonel Edward Cutolo, K-U-T-O-L-O, gave sworn testimony in an affidavit about the secret operation watchtower.

4:30 He was at the time he made the affidavit. He was the commanding officer of the Airborne 10th Special Forces Group based at Fort Devens, Massachusetts. Four years earlier, Watchtower had changed his life. Colonel Cutolo said in his December 1975 that he was notified by a guy by the name of Colonel Bo Baker that he was being assigned.

5:00 to special operations mission inside of Colombia that was being carried out jointly with the CIA. Baker told Cotolo that he had gone on his first mission himself without incident. The project involved bringing in, activating, and defending, and later removing beacons that would enable aircraft to fly secretly across Colombia into Panama. So basically,

5:29 What they are doing is setting up, you know how as you come in using autopilot to an airport, you have the beacons that come in that your ILS, which is the system that does the guidance. As you come in, it basically fears the aircraft automatically for you. And so what they were doing with Watchtower.

5:56 is they did not want to have to fly with a bunch of the normal electronic systems on because they were basically flying dark. And so they had set up specially created beacons in order to navigate so they could stay off the normal radar that the air traffic controllers use. The Special Forces Troop

6:26 were needed to guard against bandits or Colombian armed forces, according to Cotolo. On a December day, Cotolo was introduced to two men that he was told was Frank Turple and Edwin Wilson, the guys we've been reading about this whole time. They're both CIA agents. The same sworn affidavit says that Cotolo remembers them asking if I was interested in working.

6:56 for short periods of time in Colombia, and Coutola said he was. Coutola ended up commanding the second watchtower mission into Colombia. His unit's job was to establish a series of three transmitters running northeast between Bogota, Colombia, and the Panamanian border. The towers would allow aircraft to fly undetected from Bogota into Albuquerque Air Station in Panama.

7:26 Cattolo's first mission lasted 22 days and he and his troops suffered no casualties. They inflicted none on the Colombian soldiers that they encountered. According to Cattolo, in February 76, which again is right at the, you know, kind of the crest of the Ford administration going into the Jimmy Carter administration.

7:57 in the election season. He was present when 30 high-performance aircraft landed safely at Albrook Air Station, where the planes were met by Noriega, who at the time was the Defense Force officer assigned to the Customs and Intelligence Section. Kutola claims that accompanying Noriega was Edwin Wilson.

8:27 and an Israeli officer whom Cattola would later identify as Michael Harari. Now, Bridget, if you wouldn't mind, Michael Harari, it's spelled H-A-R-A-R-I. This is the guy that we came across early on in our investigation that illustrated just how intricately involved Israel and Mossad was.

8:56 in Operation Condor and the drug and arms running that occurred during the Iran-Contra and all of those other things. Harari was the first guy that we stumbled across. Harari was the one who gave Edwin Wilson two briefcases full of U.S. money, Kutola said. In an affidavit, Kutola swore that the cargo that was offloaded from these planes was cocaine.

9:28 In March 1976, Cotolla commanded a third Watchtower mission, which lasted 29 days. It did not go as well as the earlier ones. His special action team was in Turbo, Columbia, waiting for removal by a helicopter when the team encountered 40 to 50 bandits. A six-minute firefight left several of Cotolla's men wounded. This time, according to Cotolla,

9:58 40 high-performance aircraft successfully landed in Panama and delivered narcotics. It was Cotolla's last mission for the CIA, but not the last time he would hear from the agency. Cotolla was assumed command of the 10th Special Forces at Fort Devin. His next contact with Edwin Wilson was to set up a spying operation against Cotolla.

10:25 American politicians before the 1980 presidential election. Cotolla's strange testimony can be verified up to a point. Unfortunately, Cotolla and a score of others involved in Operation Watchtower have all been killed under circumstances that would stretch the credibility of it not being on purpose. However, one thing is clear. For Operation Watchtower to have been run by Ed Wilson,

10:55 He would have had to have been in two places at once. Edwin Wilson was in Libya when Cotola's quote-unquote Wilson was in Panama. Now, there's a lot of information about Watchtower out there, and you guys are welcome to do as much or as little research as you want on it. There are people that have corroborated Cotola's

11:28 testimony in his affidavit. And it is likely that Edwin Wilson had access because, again, he is a multimillionaire at this point and in the CIA, that he had access to aircraft in order to do exactly what Cotolla said that he did while also appearing to be

11:59 primarily in Libya. But secondly, it's not beyond the possibility, since we know that they wear masks all the time, that one of the two Edwin Wilson was someone pretending to be Edwin Wilson. So that, again, that is not off the table here.

12:28 Since the CIA later goes on to set Edwin Wilson up, that actually increases the possibility that they're doing this and pretending to be Edwin Wilson in order to begin creating a story that if they ever need to get rid of him, they have many stories to be able to use to get rid of him. Because that's exactly what they do. They hedge their bet on all of these people.

13:01 Cotolla said in his sworn statement that the man he knew was Edwin Wilson told him, quote, that over 70% of the drug profits from Watchtower were laundered through banks in Panama. The remaining percentage was ran through a Swiss bank and a small remainder was handled by banks in the United States, unquote. And that is true. Cotolla added Wilson told him that an associate, whom I don't know, aided in overseeing the laundering of funds.

13:30 which were then used to purchase weapons to arm various factions of the CIA as they saw fit. Which again, that fact is true too. The associate, Cotolla claims, was Tom Climes. And again, they worked together all the time. Colonel Cotolla gave his sworn testimony in April of 1980, which would be at the end of Jimmy Carter's term. I mean, it's coming up.

13:59 A month before he was killed in what was officially labeled an accident during a military training exercise. Well, that's convenient. So he goes on record and then he mysteriously disappears. Manuel Noriega learned of the entire Watchtower plan, not from his close relationship with cocaine bosses from Colombia, but from the CIA. Noriega had successfully bribed six communication experts.

14:30 at the NSA that were nicknamed the singing sergeants. So by FBI counterintelligence agents, they provided transcripts and tapes from NSA station in Panama. Noriega learned that the CIA was financing the operations with drug money that it had earned from selling the cocaine coming out of Laos.

15:01 To make matters worse, Noriega had possession of all secret communication channels and frequencies for the CIA and military intelligence agencies throughout Latin America. Now, let me tell you how he had this. Because again, this is putting pieces together, guys. Do you know where the node for Latin America crypto AG was housed? At the base in Panama.

15:35 So all of the encrypted intelligence from Crypto AG, which again is the equipment used to spy on every embassy and all of their ambassadors around the world, that node for Latin America was in Panama. And Noriega had access to it so that he could communicate on those frequencies in that encrypted environment.

16:06 directly to the CIA, and he had access to all of it. Noriega then simply went to the CIA and demanded a piece of the drug action. Bush not only agreed, he went a step further and did not notify the Justice Department of the six NSA employees. And I think there is a possibility, again, these are CIA agents telling the story.

16:38 That they are telling the story because you notice nowhere in here do they talk about Crypto AG. They are blaming six NSA employees for giving Noriega information that it was actually the CIA and Crypto AG that gave him the information. And we would only know that if you've read all these other books and understand exactly what Crypto AG is.

17:12 They asked the question, is it possible that Tom Klein used Turples and Wilson's name in order to set up Watchtower? Klein, in the future, anytime he was asked about it, refused to even have a conversation about his involvement in it. And Wilson, to the end of it, said that he was not involved in Watchtower at all.

17:41 Lends credence to the fact that somebody basically was dressed up as him, used his name, and that he was being set up at the time. He just didn't know about it. So, of course, Chapter 12 is labeled setting up Wilson, because I think Chapter 11 was setting up Wilson, too. By 1976, Wilson had thoroughly brought Tom Clines into his business and intelligence operations.

18:11 Wilson ran businesses ranging from weapon sales, security training and paramilitary training to like as in Gladio. He also had real estate and horses. He used largely ex-military and CIA and government officials as his front people for all of these ventures. Wilson would also engage in partnerships with other CIA front agencies.

18:40 or agency people set up as fronts, such as Air America and James Cunningham. Now, again, there are people that try to say that Wilson was not on the CIA payroll at this point, and I think that's all bullshit. He was in one of those public-private partnerships with them where he kept a fraction of the money that he kept, but he, for plausible deniability with the CIA, he was 100% part of the CIA.

19:11 Klein still employed as a CIA on the actual payroll. He frequently worked out of Wilson's townhouse in Washington, D.C. As Wilson spent more and more time in Libya, Klein began to move in on all of Wilson's operations. The opportunity for him to conduct operations in Wilson's name, like Watchtower, was nearly unlimited. Because he basically, and just so you guys understand,

19:40 In these operations where they're going to be multi-geographical locations, and I'll just give you an example, a military example. When U.S. Central Command, which is at MacDill Air Force Base, goes to war in theory, it forward deploys its headquarters to a command center in Qatar.

20:12 geographical COCOMs, combatant commanders, are in their theater of war. Like, for example, PACOM is in the Pacific because it's at Hawaii. EUCOM is in Europe because it's European combatant commander. There are a couple of exceptions to that. When they stood up AFRICOM for Africa, they never moved forward.

20:37 They are co-located with UCOM, and UCOM used to be the combatant commander before they created another one for Africa, for the continent of Africa. And so when you forward deploy your headquarters into the theater, again in theory, you still have to have a rear echelon because a lot of your capability is in the rear. And so places like 9th Air Force, which is the Air Force component,

21:05 of the joint operations that would go forward and conduct war in the Middle East is at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina. When we went after 9-11, when we went to war, General Wald, Ford deployed to Qatar and was the air component commander in theater. He had a two-star vice that stayed in the rear echelon. And so what we're explaining here is

21:36 Tom Clines, for redundancy purposes, as a CIA employee, is working as Edwin Wilson's deputy in the scenario I just gave you. He is going to stay in the rear and continue operations as Edwin Wilson for deployed to Libya to set up arms networks, money laundering, drug operations.

22:06 For what Edwin Wilson believes is the CIA. He is working in a public-private partnership off the books in a CIA front company. That's what he was told. That's what he believes he's doing. But because the CIA can never be 100% sure and they always want plausible deniability, they're going to set up redundancy in these operations. Tom Clines is the redundancy.

22:37 And so as Edwin Wilson, if he ever screws up, if he does something they don't like, Tom Clines is going to be the next next iteration of Edwin Wilson. He knows all of his operations. And that's what we're looking at here. That's what I just talked about and how this is going on. And so in the previous chapter, when they said, is it possible that Tom Clines?

23:06 was using those names in order to set him up absolutely as possible. Clines persuaded Wilson to keep using anti-Castro Cubans in his operation, or as we call them, the Cuban gladiote. Some, like Chi-Chi Quintero and Ricardo Morales, were men with whom Wilson felt very comfortable because he had been assigned with them and went on many missions to include the murder of Blue Mamba in the Congo.

23:40 But Clines was also bringing in Cubans who had gone to work for Santo Trapacani or had dabbled in the cocaine business. Wilson went along because he believed that Clines was doing what the CIA wanted him to do. As investigations battered the Directorate of Operations, Wilson became the single outlet to whom Shackley and Clines could turn to without Congress or the media challenging them.

24:10 In August of 1976, the month before the Lettier bombing in Washington, D.C., Tom Clines arranged a meeting at the Tyson Corner Holiday Inn in suburban Virginia between Ed Wilson and Raymond May of a group called Scientific Communications, Inc., or SDI. They were also a CIA front company.

24:38 SCI supplied exotic electronics to the CIA for special missions to include bomb detonators and anything past that all the way to just regular computers. The purpose of this introduction was to allow Wilson to buy some remote control bomb detonators for his new Libyan client. Because May had been dealing with Klein for some time, he concluded that his dealings with Wilson

25:08 were also part of the CIA. In fact, Klein's knowingly set up a clandestine CIA source for a cell to a terrorist corporation, or excuse me, a terrorist country through this corporation. Furthermore, DINA, which is the Chilean Operation Condor organization, had assassination operations that would be using the exact same

25:39 remote control bomb detonators, and it was the same remote control bomb detonator that was used to kill Orlando Lettier. During the same time, Patry, P-A-T-R-Y, Loomis, L-O-O-M-I-S, who had worked for Shackley during Vietnam, had set Wilson up in business deals with an Indonesian military

26:10 intelligence source. While Loomis was deep cover CIA agent working for an aircraft company, Fairchild, where he attempted to help Wilson persuade a CIA supplier of classified night vision goggles at Applied Systems to let Wilson be their overseas representative. Wilson and Loomis' visit raised suspicions of management who called the CIA.

26:39 So you've got this company called Applied Systems, Inc., and they sell night vision goggles. The CIA agent goes to them and says they want Wilson to be an overseas representative. Now, let me just give you another analogy that we've ran across. Well, we've ran across a lot of them. This is one of my favorites, though. William Polly did this exact same thing at the behest of the CIA. He became.

27:11 the Kurdish aircraft franchise in Southeast Asia, and he's the one responsible for building the Flying Tigers, Air America, and giving Chiang Kai-shek his air force, all using Kurdish aircraft. Small world. On September 9th, 1976, 12 days before the Latier bombing, Klein's got a phone call from Lou Harper.

27:43 She explained to Klein that Kevin Mulcahy, M-U-L-C-A-H-A, excuse me, H-Y, a former CIA employee currently working for Wilson, had recently returned from Libya very drunk and very upset. He had told Mrs. Harper that her husband and son

28:09 were not on a mine clearing operation at all, that they were teaching Libyans how to make terrorist bombs. According to CIA documents, Klein went to Langley and told Shackley that Mrs. Harper believed her husband was involved in much more than mine clearing, and she wanted to know if there was any agency involvement. Shackley told Klein to tell her there was not.

28:36 Clines then went a step further. At Mrs. Harper's request, he joined her at a meeting with Raymond May, who her husband had told her had supplied Wilson with electronic bomb triggers. In front of Mrs. Harper, the two men did not reveal that they had ever met before. May assured Clines that the devices were all properly manifested.

29:03 May also was very careful not to say where the timers were shipped, just that they were correctly manifested. On September 16th, Lou Harper got a phone call from her husband, who was at a hotel intercontinental in Geneva. He assured her that he was safe. She later told clients that Ed Wilson's mother had died and that Wilson and her husband.

29:34 were in Geneva en route to the U.S. Klein already knew why Wilson was in Geneva. He was there to complete arrangements for an assassination for his Libyan bosses and to find a replacement for explosive experts that had gotten nervous. What role Klein's had in Wilson's contact with the Cubans during this crucial period is another major issue. The reason Wilson needed so urgently to find a replacement for Harper

30:05 was that Scalopter and Harper's son, John Jr., were being held hostage by the Libyans at a summer residence in the Libyan countryside. Turple, this was later said by Wilson, Turple and I took Harper and went to Geneva and paid him off. We needed four people down in Libya and we needed them right away. I didn't know what else to do.

30:32 From Geneva, I called Clines. He didn't know anyone to teach explosive ordnance disposal. I contacted Quintero and Clines contacted Quintero as well. And he said that he could get two others to make arrangements. I arranged the financing. I gave him $25,000 up front to pay for their expenses and a down payment on their salary. Doug Flachter, S-D-H-L-A-C-H-T-E-R.

31:02 and John Harper's son were still in Libya. The Libyans would not let them leave until they got someone down there to take their place. Wilson's Libyan operation may provide the key to an enduring mystery in the Latier Cape. How, even with George Bush protecting the directorate operations, did Klein and Shackley escape serious scrutiny for their connections with the Chilean intelligence operation? And how did they, in turn,

31:32 keep the Cuban nationalist community from being implicated in the Latier case. Was Frank Turple really a fired CIA employee who met Wilson by chance at a Christmas party? Or was Turple on assignment for Shackley and Klein? Did Turple even supply the FBI with a false lead that let Klein and Shackley and their Cuban colleagues off the Latier hook?

31:59 This episode has chilling implications on how the FBI, the Justice Department and the media may all be vulnerable to manipulation and stopping short on the Latier investigation and into allowing high ranking Cuban exiles in Miami to go without scrutiny. In the days immediately preceding the Latier murders, Wilson had a series of meetings that would later link him to the Cuban.

32:30 that were suspected in the bombing. Wilson said in a 1990 interview that he held these meetings at Klein's request. CIA records confirm some of that. What makes the meetings especially interesting is that it appears that Klein was buying on Wilson and filing reports about Wilson's activity. Because again, they're setting Wilson up. At the same time, Wilson was meeting with Klein's and Ray.

33:01 In August of 1976, he had also called T.T. Quintero and asked him to come to Washington to meet with a friend concerning a business proposition. That friend was Frank Turple. The meeting took place in a parking lot near Washington National Airport. Quintero later told the FBI that Turple said he wanted a man killed. Turple then proceeded to show them photographs of various Libyans in Arab and European dress.

33:31 Turple said that the target was among these men and that Quintero and whoever he hired would be paid $1 million for the assassination. Quintero would later tell the FBI that he agreed to handle the hit because he trusted Wilson and assumed the U.S. government was involved because Wilson worked for the CIA. Quintero also told the FBI that he had gotten the impression that the real target of the assassination was an international terrorist

34:04 Ilik Ramirez Sanchez, who was better known as Carlos the Jackal. Two weeks later, Quintero was again summoned to Wilson's office from Miami. Wilson gave Quintero $30,000 in expense money and told Quintero to plan on meeting him in Europe with his explosive experts. Quintero agreed. He recruited the Villaverde brothers, Rafael and Raul.

34:33 for the assignment. Rafael and Raul were well-known CIA contract agents with long histories of working for the CIA. Quintero and Rafael Veliverde left for Geneva on September 12, 1976. Raul, the explosive expert, was to meet them there later. Turple and Wilson, who were already in Geneva with John Harper,

35:01 were waiting for the Cubans in a room at the Mediterranean Hotel. Wilson said almost nothing during the first meeting. Turple was angry when he found out that Rayol was not yet there. But Quintero assured him that he would be there. That night, there was another meeting in the hotel. To Wilson's surprise, Turple told Quintero and Villaverde that the target was not Carlos, but a Libyan defector who was living in Egypt.

35:31 Turple told the Cubans that they had to leave immediately for Egypt to do the killing. Quintero said he would not rush the hit. He would do it only after he had carefully worked out a plan. Quintero later told the FBI that Wilson agreed with him and was uneasy about how the entire thing was going down. It was apparent Wilson was a subordinate to Frank, not the other way around. According to Quintero,

36:00 who would be very tough. The meeting turned even nastier when he told Turple that unless the assassination was done his way, there would be no assassination. He also warned Turple that if he and the Veliverdes did not return safely to the U.S., they had Cuban and CIA friends that would take appropriate actions. Wilson's version of this meeting is that one of the Veliverdes' brothers and Quintero showed up for a lunch.

36:29 Turple was drunk at the lunch and bragged about he knew everyone in Libya and how Gaddafi would pay them. There was a lot of Russians down in Libya at the time and Chinese as well. He said all the wrong things and the Bella Verdes were very upset. Although he was a hit man for the CIA in South America, working undercover of Gulf and Western Company, which is very important because that's another CIA front company.

37:01 Turple bragged if they wanted to make extra money, Gaddafi wanted a guy that was over in Egypt called Mahachi, M-A-H-A-S-H-I. He might even want him killed if Turple wanted the deal. I said, quote, listen, knock off all this crazy talk and got up and walked out. The next morning, Quintero tried to find Wilson early to get a better idea of what the hell was going on.

37:31 Unfortunately, Turple was with Wilson again. Later, when Raul Veliverde showed up, Turple explained to Raul that he wanted to bring him to Libya to do munitions and explosives training for the Libyan government. Turple then told the vehemently anti-communist Cubans that Chinese and Soviet explosive experts were also going to be there for the training. Raul became enraged, saying, I will not work with communists.

38:01 Later that night, Quintero finally managed to get Wilson alone. Wilson told him that the CIA was not involved in either proposal, that it was all a matter of money. Quintero told Wilson that he would try to persuade the Veliverde brothers to cooperate. On September 17th, four days before the Latier bombing, the Veliverde left for the U.S. The next day, Quintero wanted to see me.

38:28 He said that the Velaverde brothers had already gone back to the States and that they didn't want any part of Libya. Quintero went back to the United States as well to cover his rear because he already was a coward. He went to Clines to discuss the entire episode. Clines told him to write up a statement. So Quintero wrote a statement saying that Turple and Wilson wanted him to kill somebody in Egypt. But he thought Wilson really didn't have anything to do with it.

38:59 It was all turple. The piece of paper was given to Clines. Clines gave it to Shackley. Shackley put it in a record. CIA records indicate that on the day of the Latier bombing, September 21st, 1976, Clines wrote a memorandum about Wilson's activities to his supervisors. The same day, Wilson called Quintero in Miami to call off the operation.

39:27 Quintero claimed that he came to Washington on September 29th to return the remaining expense money to Wilson. It was the beginning of Wilson's long fall. The Bellagherde brothers went to the Justice Department after the Latier killings and claimed that Wilson had tried to hire them for the assassination and bomb makers for Colonel Gaddafi. Quintero remained loyal to Wilson. He didn't go with them.

39:57 The version that the Veliverdes told prosecutors indicated that Wilson, not Turple, was the boss, which again was not true. That visit by the Veliverdes put Wilson straight in the sights of the prosecutors. To Larry Barcella and Eugene Proper, the young federal prosecutors probing the Lettier case, Shackley labeled Wilson as a former CIA agent who had left the agency and gone rogue.

40:24 was fascinated with the covert world, according to a friend and a former Washington police detective named Carl Schoffler. Shackley and Barcella as someone potentially useful, saw someone, saw Barcella as someone potentially useful to him and basically coddled him in order for Shackley to get the results that he wanted.

40:57 I think if the, in talking about the prosecutor, if he could have joined the CIA, he would have. Shackley spared no effort to persuade Barcella to go after his employee and quote unquote friend. When Shackley planted the idea that Wilson was behind all of it, Barcella fell for it hook, line, and sinker. For Tom Clines, a price had to be paid for boxing in Wilson. By coincidence, the CIA inspector general, John Waller,

41:27 discovered that it was Clines who had brought Wilson and Ray May together. Shackley had to appear to discipline his old comrade. The penalty was that Clines would continue in his post running Wilson's operation while providing the CIA's Office of Security and Inspector General with information on Wilson and his activities. George Bush permitted this arrangement. The punishment gave Clines the perfect cover.

41:55 to continue the work of his quote-unquote good friend, Ed Wilson's operation. In other words, they expended Ed Wilson out of the picture by blaming him for all of the incidences that was actually Frank Turple and Klein's responsibility and framed Wilson for those activities. So, that's the long and short of it. And...

42:26 That concludes chapter 12. So we're going to go ahead and open it up. And if you guys want to talk about the JFK show earlier, that's fine. If you guys want to talk about what we talked about today, that's fine as well. But some people were having some issues with the sound.

42:54 I know there is an update on the iPhone and on the Android app. Just throwing that out there for anybody to check. All right. Well, Bridget, hold down the fourth. Oh, where did... Here, I'll put Trump Frog as co-host. And I'll drop down and come back up as well. I'll be right back. In the meantime, Froggy Frog, how's it going?

43:27 I don't know if anybody wants to speak, but I guess I'll say something. Nothing like dead space. I've been, you know, I actually have this book and I've been reading along and it's just it's fascinating. It's fascinating to to hear all this stuff. It's I don't know. It's just it's actually mind blowing. Right. And, you know, when you go through like I've been posting.

43:57 Underneath here, a lot of the articles and court case documents having to do with a lot of this stuff. It is just mind-blowing. Sorry about that. It makes you... If this one bombing in Washington, D.C., this was the actual case that got me looking at the Weather Underground. This case and them setting up...

44:31 their own officer for the fall and the fact that they were doing, you know, explosions in Washington, D.C. I was taken aback when we first come across this. It's been almost a year ago. I was floored that they're blowing shit up in Washington, D.C. The CIA is. And.

44:55 That made me go back and look at every other, quote unquote, domestic terror event that we've had. And you can draw exact parallels to the weather underground, to much of the violence that occurred in the 1960s and 70s. All have some very unique fingerprints of operations that you find as part of Operation Condor in Gladio all over the world.

45:25 And so I do unequivocally believe, and as a matter of fact, Warhamster made a very important point today. The guys that perpetrated most of the domestic violence via the Cuban Gladio training down in Miami, New Orleans, and South Texas for explosives have some very interesting, they are the only files that were left.

45:55 out of the disclosure thus far, as far as personnel files. Because if you look at the names of those people, they are the exact same people that we run across time after time after time. And I would be willing to buy anyone dinner if we are not going to find when those files finally come out that they were behind much of the domestic terror events.

46:22 Using the Cuban exile population, just like Gladio was in Italy, just like a ginger press was in Portugal, just like the gray wolves was in Turkey. They are our American Gladio operations. Go ahead, Ron. Yeah. So I have a question for you. Do you think.

46:44 Because because I'm very familiar with the Weather Underground, you know, Bernadine Dorn, Bill Ayers. And, you know, I actually I've seen the Great Great Wall interview multiple times or what he talks about, how they were just going to have all this. You know, they were they were sitting there like educated people talking about how they were going to have to eliminate like, you know.

47:04 35 million people just casually. But those people actually were dyed in the wool Marxists. I mean, that's what they believed. So my question to you is, I know that Gladio is there because they're trying to protect the United States from communism. Yet a lot of these people are communists. So where do we draw the line? Hold on. Hold on just a second.

47:33 Gladio was never there to protect us from communism. That was a lie. I know that. I'm saying it as though that was their stated objective, but that's not what their objective was. Then why say it? Because that's what they were there for. Because that's how Gladio justifies its existence to the general public.

48:00 When they find out about it. So that's anyway. Right. So saying that they were never there to protect us from communism, then that asked, then you have to back up and say, well, why were they there? Well, if you go back to their origins, it was the Fabian Society and the Fabian Society of Cecil Rhodes and Oswald Mosley and all of these other people gave birth to the Bolshevik.

48:31 communist revolution in Russia, and they also gave birth to the fascist realm of Hitler. And so both of these organizations or, what's the word, theologies, whatever you want to call it, both of these thought patterns was set up, and they wrote about this in the Fabian Society, that they're going to create a proverbial left and right.

49:00 They are going to use both of those as a mechanism to control all of the populations in the world into basically a one world government in which is going to mirror the fascist totalitarian model of Mussolini, where you have all of the business interests that run.

49:30 The government and basically install someone like they've done here for the last, you know, I don't know, 50 years. They will they will install a figurehead entity to pretend like they're in charge of the government, while at the same time, the government in the paramilitary force, which ended up being NATO, is going to orchestrate the chaos that allows these oligarchs.

50:01 fascist monopolies to go around the world and steal all of the resources. So you answered my question. You answered my question. And let me let me build upon what you said, because, you know, one of the things that we don't really focus on in what we're talking about here is the school shootings, all of the school shootings. I don't I'm not going to suggest that every single school shooting isn't there. There aren't some that are organic.

50:27 But I am of the opinion that probably 80 to 90 percent of the school shootings are done deliberately by rogue elements of this or MKUltra people, mind control people to tell them to do that, have them go out and kill themselves, whatnot. But that's all done for the purposes of achieving this.

50:50 world government where they disarm the population in the United States. You don't see all those school shootings in any other place other than the United States for the most part. So if you go back to tactics and the mantra of what Gladio is about, Gladio, and not what they say it's about, what it's actually about, Gladio is a domestic terror apparatus to control.

51:19 the citizens of a country. That is what it's for. And if the citizenry gets too independent or too nationalistic or too patriotic, as in the Tea Party, there will be domestic terror and the domestic terror will be set up.

51:46 As part of Operation Gladio, school shootings terrorize communities just as any other. So the thing that was most similar, because I look for patterns, the thing that was most similar to school shootings happened in Belgium. And the Belgium communities had.

52:17 orchestrated in the coming up of a renewal of keeping NATO in their country. There was a lot of unrest. So what Gladio decided to do with their Belgium elements was they just randomly went around and started shooting women and children in the parking lot of grocery stores. And then, as that wasn't bad enough,

52:45 They're going to actually go in the grocery stores and start mowing them down there. And that is about as close to shooting children in a school as you can get. Because, of course, if you've ever lived in Trump, I'm trying to get you resend your co-host thing. If you've ever lived in Europe, you understand that during the day.

53:15 The only people around anywhere in the towns are women and children. So the women, generally speaking, do not work. And they go shopping because they don't have processed foods, primarily in Europe. They go shopping every morning for whatever they're going to fix for lunch and dinner. And everything is fresh. And so the thought that someone would drive around in

53:45 towns that were protesting NATO. Because in addition to NATO being in Belgium, just like with the mafia and cocaine being in Cuba, they corrupt the entire society. Belgium had a rash of children disappearing because pedophiles were everywhere, and they provided children to Marc Dutroux.

54:12 who was then traffic to all of these people that would come in for NATO meetings. And you had all kinds of outrage. I mean, Mark Dutro was the guy that was notorious for actually hunting children. They would form hunt parties in the woods. He was Jeffrey Epstein times about a thousand. They actually found dead children buried in the walls of his house. A thousand percent.

54:42 This is the environment that those people thrived in and the level of terror that they're willing to perpetrate in order to control populations. And so that's exactly what happened in Belgium. Not only did people shut up because they're in survival mode of getting mowed down at grocery stores on a daily basis, they looked to the government for a solution, which is exactly why they did it.

55:10 And if – excuse me, I don't mean to cut you off, but if you will humor me for a second, let me read a paragraph here from – this is Chapter 12, Secret Government in Behold a Pale Horse. Social welfare programs were put into place to create a dependent, non-working element into our society. The government then began to remove these programs to force people into a criminal class that did not exist in the 50s and 60s.

55:39 The government encouraged the manufacture and importation of military firearms for the criminals to use. This is intended to foster a feeling of insecurity which would have the American people to voluntarily disarm themselves by passing laws against firearms. Using drugs and hypnosis on mental patients in a process called Orion.

55:59 The CIA inculcated the desire in these people to open fire on schoolyards and thus inflame the anti-gun lobby. This plan is well underway and so far is working perfectly. The middle class is begging the government to do away with the Second Amendment. And then he says, if authors note, and I'm not going to read the whole thing, but he said basically all of the school shootings that he investigated, the shooters were all ex-mental patients and were on high doses of Prozac.

56:26 And this book was written, I think, in like, what, 89 or 90 or something like that. They didn't have all. Yeah. And it's still true today. Yeah, absolutely. So you have. And what does firearms to criminals sound like? Toys. No. Fast and furious. Oh, oh, I didn't see where you were going there. Yes, 100 percent. So.

56:54 Our government has been providing firearms to criminals for a very long time. And if you go back and you look at the real premise, not the stated premise of Operation Gladio, it's to create weapon caches for them to be activated. They have entire warehouses in Texas and in Miami full of CIA.

57:25 purchased weapons for dispositions for things just like this. Entire warehouses. Just look up CIA weapons warehouses. It's crazy. I would also add that that's probably true of the Las Vegas shooting as well. That guy had an arsenal. And it's my contention that he either was a a Gladio cell.

57:57 person himself or part of a Gladio entity that was activated to bring those weapons to that hotel in order to create an assassination on MBS. Can I touch on that real quick?

58:13 Because I know a lot about firearms. And what they were saying that he used was a bump stock. And they had pictures of him using the Surefire 60-round high-capacity magazines. And if people don't know, those Surefire magazines were notoriously unreliable and caused jams. And a bump stock.

58:36 does not give you a consistent rate of fire unless you're holding it exactly correct. So you're going to get a sound that's going to sound more like a da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. You're not going to get a consistent like a da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And when you listen to the audio of that, and I'm not trying to be conspiratorial, but when you listen to the audio, that to me sounds like a rate-reduced M60.

58:59 Firing the, the, the, I fired fully automatic weapons in the past. And if you have 30 round, a 30 round magazine, an AR-15 will go through a 30 round magazine in, in three seconds. Yep. So it's, I mean, that to me, there's all kinds of hanky suspiciousness about the Las Vegas incident. Correct. But if you don't even know anything about firearms, if you're looking for patterns, that was Gladio. Agreed. Thousand percent. Yeah. Um, who else?

59:30 Y'all put your hand up so I can see if you want to say something. I know I've got Jillian. I saw you come up. Did you have something that you wanted to say? No, I must have done that accidentally. I apologize, but you're doing a great job on all of this. I couldn't get in until about halfway through, but what I've heard is great. Thank you. Thank you, Jillian. Tim, go ahead. In your opinion, who's...

1:00:05 Who arrests these people? Who brings this system to justice? Well, I believe that's what Trump is going to do after he declasses, declassifies this information that will give them the impetus to go around. And honestly speaking, Tim, a lot of this is being done already. We've talked in previous shows about a worldwide effort.

1:00:31 on bringing down drug cartels. I think the TD Bank money laundering case that just was settled with, I mean, not settled, but where they charged, they basically convicted TD of money laundering, TD Bank in Canada, but all of their branches. It was not just isolated to Canada. And they were charged a $2 billion fine, which is peanuts, but

1:00:57 What that gave them was the evidence of who was actually money laundering. Right after that was announced and the $2 billion fine was announced, two of, and it's going to escape me, the two sons of, what's his face, the big cartel guy that's in jail here, were picked up and charged for their role.

1:01:27 in drug trafficking. And it is my expectation that we are going to see charges after charges. And this was on top of a big network taken down in Argentina, which allowed for the free and fair elections that brought the new paper ballots in Argentina and the first real government they've had in forever. They also took down over 300 of the most notorious crime family in all of Italy in 2019.

1:01:57 A lot of this has already began to get undone. But if you don't know what you're looking for when you go back through news articles, it's very easy to miss and think that these are all isolated incidences of things that just happen to be happening. But they're not. If you understand the entire network of Operation Gladio and you begin going newspaper by newspaper and country by country, you begin seeing.

1:02:27 the rolling back of this operation. But I don't think it can happen in the United States until Trump is president number one and the declassification of everything related to JFK's assassination occurs because that is going to be... If you could unite the country around one thing, it would be finally proving the CIA is behind JFK's assassination to justify the...

1:02:55 um abolishment of the cia as the penalty for them taking out the and then you can also roll that right into their um using the same cuban exiles who's you know the agents they that handled them's files are mysteriously still not released rolls right right into nixon being taken out by them because he was they were the plumbers and it rolls right into the attempted assassination of trump

1:03:25 Because it's all the same people behind our agency, not people, the same agency behind all of these. It's the CIA, no matter what they tell you. Are they involved in child sex trafficking? 100 percent. As a matter of fact, when we did El Chapo. Thank you, Britain. Bridget, that's the El Chapo sons are the ones that were just picked up and charged. So if you go back to.

1:03:54 We just finished the series on BCCI. BCCI headquarters. BCCI is the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. That was 100 percent a CIA front. And when you and other intel agencies, not just the CIA, it was a worldwide bank that was used by intelligence agencies to launder humans or to traffic humans, weapons and drugs and money launder.

1:04:23 Well, when they would have meetings to arrange the weapons deals, because they actually arranged weapons deals as a quote unquote bank and drug operations. When they hosted meetings at their various worldwide headquarters, they oftentimes flew in underage girls and boys as sex trafficking. I don't know why more people don't talk about that, but.

1:04:53 It's a CIA front entity doing this. We did a whole series on Nugent Hand Bank down in Australia. Nugent Hand Bank was a drug and weapons and human money laundering operation down there. And as far back as the Vietnam War, when they arranged to have the GIs flown out of Vietnam for their week-long R&R, it was in...

1:05:23 The Bernie Houghton's restaurant and next door hotel where they had sex workers, some of which were underage, that had been flown in to service the GIs. All of this was recorded. All of the meetings that they did this in BCCI's headquarters, all of it was recorded. It was for blackmail. To me, that's going to be the lowest common denominator. I agree.

1:05:55 I don't know if, you know, just speculation, the Epstein, the Diddy. I just think that, you know, everybody has children, especially fathers. And I agree. I think that's going to be the second shoe to drop. But I think you get everybody on the same sheet of music by revealing the JFK first. And then that's going to be the second shoe that drops. Once you've got your coalition.

1:06:24 rallied around righting the wrong of the assassination of JFK, you are going to, once that unity is created, I think it seals the deal. Because again, once you start looking at the CIA, it's all going to come out. The child trafficking will come out. Ron, go ahead.

1:06:49 I agree with you, and I was actually going to say I was under the impression that it was going to be the child trafficking first, but I had never considered the thought that JFK.

1:07:00 could unite the country as well. But that's a very interesting point, and I like that. Another component here is the financial system. You know, they created the Federal Reserve and the Bank of International Settlements and all that stuff, too, so that they could get their controls on the worldwide financial system out of London and all that good stuff.

1:07:22 I feel like the Federal Reserve needs to go so that we can get rid of the Federal Reserve note as a debt instrument that's masquerading as currency. Once that's gone, then you and we go into a real dollar that will put a severe dent into the ability for these guys to just print money at will and use for their own nefarious purposes. Well, and see, I think it's all hand in hand, because I think when you reveal the JFK thing.

1:07:51 Then you have the CIA on the chopping block and you begin unrolling or unveiling the BCCI and the Nugent Hand. And then you have to ask yourself, just like I asked reformed Wall Street banker Warhamster Brady, is there any possibility, any possibility once all this comes out?

1:08:18 that the Federal Reserve did not know that BCCI illegally bought three American banks. And his answer is there's no way they didn't know. And so, again, I literally think this is the key to everything. Because once you unveil the fact that the CIA had all these front banks all over the world that was complicit in money laundering,

1:08:46 You have to turn around and look at the Fed and go, what the hell? And if you can prove, which you unequivocally can prove, that the Fed knew that these banks were money laundering, which they do, then that's your ammunition to get rid of them, too. Miles, go ahead. Yeah, I'm selfish. I can only hear when I have a speaker.

1:09:15 I was going into other spaces. I can hear just perfect, but not in this one. So, yeah, you're being targeted. But, yeah, I was doing some research on FDR. I don't even want to bring him up. But when you look at the stuff that FDR, and Ron knows what I'm talking about, some of the stuff that he did. Now, I was doing research on the currency back in the day for World War II.

1:09:44 money for Hawaii and North Africa. And I was like, what? And these bills are still, they're not, they're kind of rare right now, but the people that have been, you know, hoarding them or collecting them, they're starting to pass on and their offspring, their kids are just like spending them. And these are bills that were made like in 33 and 34. And we're talking about ones, five, tens, stuff like that. They're actually worth a lot of money.

1:10:14 But some of the stuff that FDR did, it's just despicable. Oh, my God. Just about everything he did was despicable. I mean, he basically on the triad of the Bolshevik Revolution, Hitler and the I mean, if you ever read the.

1:10:34 NRA, the actual original legislation that was found unconstitutional, it turned us into a socialist country. And the New Deal was just this side of that. So, yeah, I mean, FDR was not a good guy. He was a very bad guy and left us with a basically a socialist light type of government, you know, basically annihilating our republic for.

1:11:07 And that's it in a nutshell as far as I'm concerned. Well, some of the acts that he implemented, I'm reading about that, and I can't believe some of the stuff he was doing. And then he's confiscating all the gold. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, he was a dictator. Not only that, but he enforced policies that extended the—

1:11:32 the Great Depression. He did everything that he could to keep us in Great Depression. And everybody thinks that World War II was what brought us out of the Great Depression. No, no, no, no. It wasn't World War II. It was the economic policies after World War II that brought us out of Great Depression. In fact, if you look at the people in the United States that were living in the United States during the war, it was almost, I mean, yeah, they had jobs, but I mean, the rationing of goods was, you didn't get anything.

1:12:01 because everything had to go overseas to the war effort. So the people that were living domestically, they had to ration and it was almost even worse than it was under the depression. And you have to go back with the, I go back to the Fabian Society and them telling us that we're going to have three world wars. Well, that means World War II was created on purpose. And the,

1:12:29 You could not have had the UN. You could not have had the World Bank, the IMF, NATO, any of those things if you did not have what they created, i.e. communism slash fascism slash World War II, in order to bring all of it to fruition. Colonel, can I ask you a question? You mentioned the USS Liberty.

1:12:59 at some point, I don't know if it was yesterday or today, but you mentioned the Liberty. And I've actually talked to some of those guys, the veterans that were on the Liberty, and I've seen multiple documentaries about that. And there was one that did very thorough. They said that there was a Marine Expeditionary Unit that was en route to Gaza to land on the beach. They had aircraft in the air to drop nuclear

1:13:28 bombs onto Cairo because they were trying to use the liberty event as blaming Egypt for attacking the liberty, not Israel. And there was a Russian sub in the area that had targeted the Dome of the Rock. If the United States had dropped a nuclear device on Cairo, they were going to target Jerusalem.

1:13:54 was called off at the very last minute, and I'm not sure why, but I feel like that was their attempt at trying to start the nuclear World War III. I'm sure that's probably the first time you've ever heard that theory postulated, but I'd just like your thoughts on my thinking. That's not the first time I've heard that. As a matter of fact, there's a book that says some things very close to that.

1:14:23 Not correct, but my understanding is the B-52s were put on alert. The crews were in them, engines running. They never took off from California to actually do that. There were nuclear-armed aircraft that were launched from both of the carriers, but they were recalled. Yes, that's correct. They actually had to get their nuclear weapons in order to be able to land back.

1:14:54 But my understanding of all of the research that I've done, and I would love to talk to them. Bridget tried to get them on my show because I have information that none of them have ever talked about, about the USS Liberty. And the first thing that you have to understand is crypto AG. So Egypt, Jordan.

1:15:25 Every Middle East country over there at the time, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, all had crypto OG. So who knew everything that was going on? The German BND and the United States CIA. OK, you have to start with that premise. They knew every single thing that was going on. And the original story was that Israel attacked Egypt because Egypt was getting ready to attack Israel.

1:15:54 Well, if you are monitoring every single cable from Egypt all over the world, do you not think you would know that? Has there ever been a cable produced that said that? No, because it's a bold-faced lie. The other aspect of that is 75,000 Egyptian army troops was in Yemen because the British had started a bunch of shit in Aden in Yemen that...

1:16:24 And the whole, you know, you got it. They, you know, basically Egypt kicked the UK out of the Suez monitoring. And that's that's what it was all really about. So they want Egypt back so they can put they can basically monopolize the Suez Canal. OK, so Nasser says basically to England, we're tired of you occupying our country. Get the hell out. So that pisses them off.

1:16:51 They start a bunch of shit in Yemen, which takes 75,000 Egyptian troops over to Yemen to help Yemen push back against the Brits. And so there's no fucking way that Egypt is going to go to war with Israel with 75,000 troops in Yemen. Ain't happening. They all know all of this. And so the entire premise of them not having a single ship.

1:17:20 of the Egyptian Navy out of port and they did not. And again, all of this shit is being monitored. They knew all of this. So you have this USS Liberty, which was basically a mobile version of the base that I was at at San Vito. It's an eavesdropping spy ship. That's what it was. It monitors communications, right? So it's creeping around in international,

1:17:51 just north of Egypt. It just so happens that when it was bombed, it's passing by the city that we find out decades later, a large contingent of Egyptian soldiers that Israel had captured and handcuffed and blindfolded was mowed down in cold blood.

1:18:20 A huge trench was dug and they were buried in it. And all of the communication of this happening would have been exactly because it happened while the Liberty is out there like the day before. So now the Liberty has access to all of the information of them, communication, the order to kill these people in cold blood. Their graves were just dug up not that long ago.

1:18:48 A mass discovery of all these dead bodies that were owned before they were murdered. And then, I mean, just like they did in Cambodia, just like they did in Laos and Vietnam, for that matter. So this is just like they did in the Nakba. So they they bulldoze all of these people into this mass grave. And then the next day they go out and try to. Oh, my God, the liberties here.

1:19:19 They probably picked up all this shit. Let's go ahead and sink the Liberty. We'll use that as the excuse to launch an all-out invasion into Egypt, blah, blah, blah. Well, what's very interesting about all this, and I know a submariner, and I was just talking to him the other day, that there was a U.S. submarine that was under...

1:19:48 The USS Liberty, from the time it ported, I want to say in Spain, and then came down into the waters just north of Egypt. It was shadowed by a U.S. sub the entire way. Interesting. The Russian sub has, there is documents out there that says the people that were on the Russian sub saw.

1:20:17 the entire attack. And that's the reason why they couldn't finish off the Liberty. So there was people that have said that when the torpedo boats were coming up, they spotted the Russian sub and they knew they were screwed. Because now you don't want to give the Russians blackmail material. You can't finish the job.

1:20:52 That's interesting. I've never heard that. Yeah. Wow. So there's so much about the liberty. And again, being a military, being a commander, the fact that you had not just one, not just two, you had a fucking shit ton of Navy ballless officers that allowed people to be murdered.

1:21:21 on a Navy ship and didn't launch the fucking airplanes to stop it. Well, they did. It was McNamara who recalled them. Twice. Okay. McNamara was in Washington, D.C. The ship commanders recalled those aircraft, not McNamara. Okay. You can fucking court-martial me when I get back to port. I don't give a care.

1:21:47 If you have people dying on a ship that is under attack by an enemy, which Israel was, then you don't recall them aircraft. I would tell McNamara, fuck you. Get them aircraft off my deck. Get them airplanes out of the air. Bomb them ships. Kill every son of a bitch that's trying to kill our people. And then you court-martial me if you want. Yeah, we're on the same page. So.

1:22:14 Every ball-less Navy officer that was involved in that entire thing, as far as I'm concerned, could have been put in front of a firing squad. Amen. Amen. The one that I would have had gone first is Admiral John McCain, who falsified a report knowing he was falsifying a report that was then sent to Washington, D.C. to say exactly what they wanted it to say. He would have been the first one. The kid was in there, too. He would have been the first one.

1:22:43 Yeah. Kid would have been number two for me. Well, forget him. He wasn't involved in this particular one. But John McCain Sr. would have been the first one that would have been put in front of the firing squad. Thank you for that. So, Miles, go ahead. It's amazing. True history really pisses you off, doesn't it? It does.

1:23:17 Warhamster again. And I did put that in a Jumbotron. I told people about it to go check that out later. You're welcome. You know, I pay attention as much as I can. I'm doing a bunch of stuff all at once. So I want to bring up, did you talk to Warhamster about Operation Northwoods? We did. Because, yeah, so they probably wanted to start World War III with that. Well, they actually, you know,

1:23:44 Part of their scenarios on there. And I mean, Lyman Lemonsker was one of the biggest advocates for using nuclear weapons. I mean, quite frankly, MacArthur wanted to use nuclear weapons against China in Korea so they could reinsert Chiang Kai-shek into China. So there has been a plethora of senior military officers.

1:24:08 infatuated with the use of nuclear weapons that I have discovered in Operation Gladio. As a matter of fact, it seems like every single conflict, Vietnam, they talked about using nuclear weapons. It seems to be their first order of business if they are not achieving the results that they want through limited operations. I was flabbergasted, actually.

1:24:33 That seems to be a go-to answer. And certainly that was one of the options for, because they put the B-52s out in California on alert. They had them taxi to the end of the runway. They talked to the captain that was the commander of one of the two B-52s that were going to be launched. They were out there for like six hours, engines running at the end of the ramp to take off.

1:25:00 With fully loaded nuclear weapons. And that was for the 1967 Israeli-Egyptian conflict. So it does seem to be a go-to much more than I ever imagined. So how come we've dodged all these bullets up to this point? I don't understand that. Well, again, it has to do with the...

1:25:33 four star generals not being in charge. I mean, that's their go to, you know, hey, let's go do this kind of thing. But at the end of the day, even Johnson wouldn't do it. He was too squeamish about because he's getting ready to run for reelection. And, you know, we all know he eventually dropped out. But, you know, he's looking at what that's going to do to his election if you go kill a bunch of.

1:25:59 Arabs in Egypt by dropping nuclear weapons in Egypt. So there is something to be said about our form of government and the restraint. But you also have to understand that at that point, we had cut Egypt off just like we cut Chile off, just like we cut Nicaragua off, and they were already working with the Soviet Union.

1:26:30 That's the reason why that Soviet sub was there. And so they had already opened dialogue with them. And they knew that that submarine that was there from Russia was nuclear armed as well. And you have no idea the can of worms that you're opening. As Ron just pointed out, when you do that, you have opened Pandora's box. And there are very few people, I mean, if they're too chicken shit.

1:27:00 To shoot an airplane down out to save Americans, you think they're going to open that Pandora's box? These people are chicken shits at the end of the day. Ron, go ahead. Yeah, and another one along those lines that many people may not be aware of is the K-129. Are you familiar with that? What about it? Well, you know a lot, but I don't want to assume that you know about K-129.

1:27:31 That that was essentially was a Russian submarine that they'd marked it up and sold it to China, as I understand it. And then it was it parked about 400 miles north of Honolulu and was going to launch a nuclear tip at Honolulu in 1968. But I guess the missile, as I understand it, blew up and then sunk the sub. And then the the CIA and they all went and they dug that sub up.

1:28:00 off of the base of the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, if I understand it correctly. But that was another incident when they were trying to initiate war. See, I don't, there's nothing about that story that rings true to me. I've come across it a couple of different times. I've never delved into it. I know what our intelligence says happened, but our intelligence lies about everything that they say happened.

1:28:30 So, you know what I mean? Yes, exactly. So it sounds really good from a CIA intelligence make the Soviet Union the bad guy. I just I there's nothing about it that rings true to me. Well, that's that's fine.

1:28:50 This is just it was just a thought that came to me when you were talking about nuclear and stuff like that. So it's just one more incident that maybe people aren't unaware of. Yeah. Well, Miles and Tim and then I've got to run because my sitting job just came here. Oh, OK. Miles, I'll go real quick. So I was talking to somebody and he had talked to his.

1:29:26 grandfather that was in World War II. And he was saying that Patton, everybody in that car was killed immediately. And so that story that he survived and died in the hospital, it was all made up. Have you heard anything about that? No, I have not. Yeah, that's the first that I've heard that someone that was there said, yeah, everybody in that car were killed. That car was completely crushed.

1:29:56 So I didn't know that. All right. Thanks, Colonel. Sure. Tim, go ahead. Then we're going to close up shop. Heavy question. How does how does Gladio operate without support from the military? I mean, it just it's not a big reach to say they're intertwined. So, no, they operate with the military, but I'll tell you exactly how they do it. For example.

1:30:25 most notoriously is um in Nicaragua um oh my gosh I'm sorry they just put my grandbaby in this bouncy swing that I bought oh my gosh I'm my heart's broken he looks oh my gosh what a baby all right so um take a picture of him um sorry so in Nicaragua

1:30:52 The U.S. military is flown in and they are using CIA intelligence as as their go to source of intelligence in the area. Right. So the CIA says, oh, my gosh, they're all communist in the Sandinista government. And we have this we have this contingent over here of, quote unquote, freedom fighters. And we're going to call them the Contras. And so we're going to go.

1:31:22 And we're going to arm the Contras because they're freedom fighters. They're the heroes. They're actually the bad guys. And you military, we need you to bring in all of these resources. We're going to set you up in El Salvador and we're going to set you up in Honduras and Guatemala. And we need you to train all of these, quote unquote, freedom fighters to go free the citizens of Nicaragua from the communists. Well, except for the entire script is flipped. The communists are bad guys.

1:31:52 are the Contras. And the good guys are the Sandinistas that want their country back and their farmland from Nelson Rockefeller and the United Fruit people, right? You know, same thing that we want. We want our farmland back from China. Same exact scenario. So the Sandinista government tells the United Fruit guys, get the hell out of my country. And they immediately go call the, you know, the White House and says, get the CIA down there and get these people out of the government. And so.

1:32:21 In every single case we rely on, just like with bin Laden, we rely on CIA intel, which is always whatever they want to have happen will happen because the U.S. military relies on CIA intelligence reports. And that's why the CIA has to go away, has to go away. They have lied and got Americans killed all over the world. Does that help, Tim?

1:32:51 Yes, it does. Go play with your grandbaby. Okay. All right. Thank you, Colonel. Enjoy your weekend. Sure. You guys, too. And I will see you on Monday at 4. Thanks, everybody.

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Edwin Wilson38 CIA25 Tom Clines25 Operation Gladio21 Frank Turple17 Edward Cutolo16 Egypt16 Libya16 Operation Watchtower15 Chi Chi Quintero13 Panama11 United States10 Manuel Noriega9 Richard Shackley9 USS Liberty incident9 Soviet Union8 George H.W. Bush8 Colombia7 Raul Veliverde7 Washington, D.C.7 Assassination of Orlando Letelier6 Israel6 Orlando Letelier6 BCCI5 Miami5 Nicaragua5 Geneva5 Lou Harper5 Belgium4 NATO4 World War II4 Yemen4 Federal Reserve4 John Harper Jr.4 Rafael Villaverde4 Vietnam3 Chile3 China3 United Kingdom3 Muammar Gaddafi3

Claims made here

George H.W. Bush funded Manuel Noriega documented ▶ 1:31

“inexplicable than his relationship with the Pandemanian strongman Manuel Noriega. The records show that Bush Sr. put Noriega on the CIA's payroll. Even after Bush had left the CIA, he kept in touch wi…”

George H.W. Bush member_of CIA documented ▶ 1:31

CIA carried_out_attack Operation Watchtower host_asserted ▶ 3:00

“was Bush used in an elaborate scam to conduct a drug operation for profit under the name of the CIA when it was really benefiting others. Well, it benefited a whole lot of people to include the CIA. T…”

Mossad carried_out_attack Operation Watchtower host_asserted ▶ 3:00

Edward Cutolo member_of 20th Special Forces Group documented ▶ 4:30

“He was at the time he made the affidavit. He was the commanding officer of the Airborne 10th Special Forces Group based at Fort Devens, Massachusetts. Four years earlier, Watchtower had changed his li…”

Bobby Baker recruited Edward Cutolo book_quoted ▶ 4:30

Edwin Wilson member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 6:26

“were needed to guard against bandits or Colombian armed forces, according to Cotolo. On a December day, Cotolo was introduced to two men that he was told was Frank Turple and Edwin Wilson, the guys we…”

Frank Turple member_of CIA book_quoted ▶ 6:26

Edward Cutolo carried_out_attack Operation Watchtower book_quoted ▶ 6:56

“for short periods of time in Colombia, and Coutola said he was. Coutola ended up commanding the second watchtower mission into Colombia. His unit's job was to establish a series of three transmitters …”

Michael Hand paid Edwin Wilson book_quoted ▶ 8:56

“in Operation Condor and the drug and arms running that occurred during the Iran-Contra and all of those other things. Harari was the first guy that we stumbled across. Harari was the one who gave Edwi…”

CIA trafficked Operation Watchtower book_quoted ▶ 8:56

Edwin Wilson laundered_money_for Operation Watchtower book_quoted ▶ 13:01

“Cotolla said in his sworn statement that the man he knew was Edwin Wilson told him, quote, that over 70% of the drug profits from Watchtower were laundered through banks in Panama. The remaining perce…”

Tom Clines recruited Edwin Wilson host_asserted ▶ 17:41

“Lends credence to the fact that somebody basically was dressed up as him, used his name, and that he was being set up at the time. He just didn't know about it. So, of course, Chapter 12 is labeled se…”

Edwin Wilson front_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 18:40

“or agency people set up as fronts, such as Air America and James Cunningham. Now, again, there are people that try to say that Wilson was not on the CIA payroll at this point, and I think that's all b…”

Tom Clines member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 19:11

“Klein still employed as a CIA on the actual payroll. He frequently worked out of Wilson's townhouse in Washington, D.C. As Wilson spent more and more time in Libya, Klein began to move in on all of Wi…”

Scientific Communications Inc. front_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 24:10

“In August of 1976, the month before the Lettier bombing in Washington, D.C., Tom Clines arranged a meeting at the Tyson Corner Holiday Inn in suburban Virginia between Ed Wilson and Raymond May of a g…”

Tom Clines supplied_arms_to Edwin Wilson host_asserted ▶ 24:38

“SCI supplied exotic electronics to the CIA for special missions to include bomb detonators and anything past that all the way to just regular computers. The purpose of this introduction was to allow W…”

DINA carried_out_attack Assassination of Orlando Letelier host_asserted ▶ 25:08

“were also part of the CIA. In fact, Klein's knowingly set up a clandestine CIA source for a cell to a terrorist corporation, or excuse me, a terrorist country through this corporation. Furthermore, DI…”

Loomis member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 26:10

“intelligence source. While Loomis was deep cover CIA agent working for an aircraft company, Fairchild, where he attempted to help Wilson persuade a CIA supplier of classified night vision goggles at A…”

William J. Polk supplied_arms_to Chiang Kai-shek host_asserted ▶ 27:11

“the Kurdish aircraft franchise in Southeast Asia, and he's the one responsible for building the Flying Tigers, Air America, and giving Chiang Kai-shek his air force, all using Kurdish aircraft. Small …”

William J. Polk founded Air America host_asserted ▶ 27:11

Richard Shackley covered_up Kevin Mulcahy documented ▶ 28:09

“were not on a mine clearing operation at all, that they were teaching Libyans how to make terrorist bombs. According to CIA documents, Klein went to Langley and told Shackley that Mrs. Harper believed…”

Edwin Wilson paid Chi Chi Quintero book_quoted ▶ 30:32

“From Geneva, I called Clines. He didn't know anyone to teach explosive ordnance disposal. I contacted Quintero and Clines contacted Quintero as well. And he said that he could get two others to make a…”

Edwin Wilson recruited Chi Chi Quintero book_quoted ▶ 33:01

“In August of 1976, he had also called T.T. Quintero and asked him to come to Washington to meet with a friend concerning a business proposition. That friend was Frank Turple. The meeting took place in…”

Frank Turple ordered_assassination_of Ilich Ramírez Sánchez book_quoted ▶ 33:31

“Turple said that the target was among these men and that Quintero and whoever he hired would be paid $1 million for the assassination. Quintero would later tell the FBI that he agreed to handle the hi…”

Edwin Wilson ordered_assassination_of Ilich Ramírez Sánchez book_quoted ▶ 33:31

Edwin Wilson paid Chi Chi Quintero book_quoted ▶ 34:04

“Ilik Ramirez Sanchez, who was better known as Carlos the Jackal. Two weeks later, Quintero was again summoned to Wilson's office from Miami. Wilson gave Quintero $30,000 in expense money and told Quin…”

Chi Chi Quintero recruited Rafael Villaverde book_quoted ▶ 34:04

Frank Turple ordered_assassination_of Mahachi book_quoted ▶ 35:31

“Turple told the Cubans that they had to leave immediately for Egypt to do the killing. Quintero said he would not rush the hit. He would do it only after he had carefully worked out a plan. Quintero l…”

Frank Turple attempted_assassination_of Muammar Gaddafi book_quoted ▶ 37:01

“Turple bragged if they wanted to make extra money, Gaddafi wanted a guy that was over in Egypt called Mahachi, M-A-H-A-S-H-I. He might even want him killed if Turple wanted the deal. I said, quote, li…”

Richard Shackley covered_up Edwin Wilson book_quoted ▶ 40:57

“I think if the, in talking about the prosecutor, if he could have joined the CIA, he would have. Shackley spared no effort to persuade Barcella to go after his employee and quote unquote friend. When …”

Tom Clines spied_on Edwin Wilson book_quoted ▶ 41:27

“discovered that it was Clines who had brought Wilson and Ray May together. Shackley had to appear to discipline his old comrade. The penalty was that Clines would continue in his post running Wilson's…”

George H.W. Bush appointed Tom Clines book_quoted ▶ 41:27

Edwin Wilson framed Frank Turple book_quoted ▶ 41:55

“to continue the work of his quote-unquote good friend, Ed Wilson's operation. In other words, they expended Ed Wilson out of the picture by blaming him for all of the incidences that was actually Fran…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Belgium host_asserted ▶ 52:17

“orchestrated in the coming up of a renewal of keeping NATO in their country. There was a lot of unrest. So what Gladio decided to do with their Belgium elements was they just randomly went around and …”

Marc Dutroux trafficked NATO host_asserted ▶ 53:45

“towns that were protesting NATO. Because in addition to NATO being in Belgium, just like with the mafia and cocaine being in Cuba, they corrupt the entire society. Belgium had a rash of children disap…”

BCCI trafficked Marc Dutroux host_asserted ▶ 1:04:23

“Well, when they would have meetings to arrange the weapons deals, because they actually arranged weapons deals as a quote unquote bank and drug operations. When they hosted meetings at their various w…”

Federal Reserve funded Bank for International Settlements host_asserted ▶ 1:07:00

“could unite the country as well. But that's a very interesting point, and I like that. Another component here is the financial system. You know, they created the Federal Reserve and the Bank of Intern…”

Federal Reserve covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 1:08:18

“that the Federal Reserve did not know that BCCI illegally bought three American banks. And his answer is there's no way they didn't know. And so, again, I literally think this is the key to everything…”

Fabian Society funded World War II host_asserted ▶ 1:12:01

“because everything had to go overseas to the war effort. So the people that were living domestically, they had to ration and it was almost even worse than it was under the depression. And you have to …”

World War II funded Bank for International Settlements host_asserted ▶ 1:12:29

“You could not have had the UN. You could not have had the World Bank, the IMF, NATO, any of those things if you did not have what they created, i.e. communism slash fascism slash World War II, in orde…”

World War II funded North Atlantic Treaty Organization host_asserted ▶ 1:12:29

Israel carried_out_attack USS Liberty incident guest_asserted ▶ 1:15:54

“Well, if you are monitoring every single cable from Egypt all over the world, do you not think you would know that? Has there ever been a cable produced that said that? No, because it's a bold-faced l…”

Israel assassinated Egyptian Army guest_asserted ▶ 1:17:51

“just north of Egypt. It just so happens that when it was bombed, it's passing by the city that we find out decades later, a large contingent of Egyptian soldiers that Israel had captured and handcuffe…”

USS Liberty incident spied_on Israel guest_asserted ▶ 1:18:20

“A huge trench was dug and they were buried in it. And all of the communication of this happening would have been exactly because it happened while the Liberty is out there like the day before. So now …”

Soviet Union spied_on USS Liberty incident guest_asserted ▶ 1:20:17

“the entire attack. And that's the reason why they couldn't finish off the Liberty. So there was people that have said that when the torpedo boats were coming up, they spotted the Russian sub and they …”

Robert F. Kennedy ordered_assassination_of USS Liberty incident guest_asserted ▶ 1:21:21

“on a Navy ship and didn't launch the fucking airplanes to stop it. Well, they did. It was McNamara who recalled them. Twice. Okay. McNamara was in Washington, D.C. The ship commanders recalled those a…”

John McCain covered_up USS Liberty incident guest_asserted ▶ 1:22:14

“Every ball-less Navy officer that was involved in that entire thing, as far as I'm concerned, could have been put in front of a firing squad. Amen. Amen. The one that I would have had gone first is Ad…”

Douglas MacArthur member_of Operation Gladio guest_asserted ▶ 1:23:44

“Part of their scenarios on there. And I mean, Lyman Lemonsker was one of the biggest advocates for using nuclear weapons. I mean, quite frankly, MacArthur wanted to use nuclear weapons against China i…”

Lyman Lemnitzer member_of Operation Gladio guest_asserted ▶ 1:23:44

Sandinistas removed_from_power Nelson Rockefeller guest_asserted ▶ 1:31:52

“are the Contras. And the good guys are the Sandinistas that want their country back and their farmland from Nelson Rockefeller and the United Fruit people, right? You know, same thing that we want. We…”

Sandinistas removed_from_power United Fruit Company guest_asserted ▶ 1:31:52