Operation Gladio - Italy Part 3
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Transcript
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Okay, guys, we've got a lot to cover today. But the reason why I, and I've said this before, want to spend considerable more time on Italy is because there are so many pieces of this that's illustrated by what happened in Italy. And again, we know more about it because it's been fully investigated. Basically, the only country to do such an extensive investigation.
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And so basically, we're going to start, we kind of left off talking about the Vatican Church involvement, the creation of BCCI, and how they basically just created banks to embezzle the money laundered through the drug operations to fund Operation Gladio. We talked about the creation of the P2 Masonic Lodge and how it
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And its officials were basically another aspect to Operation Gladio. It provided them cover and a way to meet so that people didn't know what they were doing. And just a cursory kind of look around at what's going on around this time. We were in like the 1960s and some of the late.
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you had things like Gladio being discussed, not necessarily under a Gladio banner, but the stay-behind units themselves. Like in 1963, the P2 Masonic Lodge guy, Jelly, Lucio Jelly, and Giovanni Battista Montini, who becomes...
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Pope Paul VI, the actual Operation Gladio and its clandestine operation is surfaced for basically the first time. And it's identified as a black resistance movement.
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And that has resistant fighters and that's identified as a far right entity, like in fascist. And in some of the revelations at the time, they were talking about Plan Blue, B-L-E-U. We'll talk a little bit more about that when we go to France. But at the same time, there's some exposure of the secret armies in Austria. Again, we'll have a different show on that.
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I'm just kind of going around the horn as some of this information becomes known. There's a guy in Germany by the name of Hans Otto. We'll talk about him, but he also is identified as part of this network. So they definitely know at this point that it is a much broader apparatus that's been set up. We did talk Monday about the...
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1950s about the guy Otto Hallberg in Sweden. And in 1960, Gladio had their first coup with the Turkish government that they could trace back to Gladio at the time with Prime Minister Aydin Medeiros.
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And they basically overthrew the Turkish president, or prime minister, sorry. And also 1960s would have been the overthrow of Lumumba as well. So again, it's getting more and more visibility. So then they move on to...
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Just to illustrate to you the sensitivity of even having a discussion with anybody in the USSR. We've talked about this ad nauseum with Nicaragua and Cuba and all of those that they and Lumumba, they force you into a corner. You have to buy arms in order to protect yourself because you're under attack. And then you make that phone call and it's like the kiss of death. Well, just to show you that they don't play favorites.
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they labeled Pope John XXIII the Pink Pope. And the reason why they called him the Pink Pope is because he actually had multiple conversations with the Soviet leader, Khrushchev, and even held a private audience with him. So this so alarmed the CIA, who at the time, 1963, John McCone,
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was the CIA director, also a Knights of Malta, that there is an unclassified memorandum that was written, as well as an Office of National Estimates, which is kind of like an intel update, that talks about the severity of the Catholic Church getting in bed with the Soviet Union, which, of course, they were not doing that. Those are not...
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His words, those are my words, but that's basically the gist of the memo. And it was a very long memo. So they decided that they were going to have to get involved in the next papal election because they couldn't afford to have another pink pope, as they called him. And here's a quote from an author. Director McCone now took a personal as well as professional interest in the Vatican situation. Tom.
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John Calamartinus, the station chief in Rome for the CIA, was instructed to raise the priority of the Vatican spying operation, but the CIA ran into a snag when it learned that some of the best contacts, for example, the conservative prelates who held key positions in the Papal Secretariat, were completely shut out of John XXIII's tenancy.
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to circumvent his own bureaucracy when dealing with the Soviet Union, unquote. More than likely because he knew that the place, all of his internal offices for the Pope had been rigged with listening devices. If you recall, we already talked about that. And by this time, obviously, James Angleton was manning the Vatican desk in the CIA.
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And surprisingly or not, John XXIII died of a stomach cancer, so we're told, on June 1963. The CIA under McComb became intent on influencing the next election. And it was reported that they wanted Montini, who had already been part.
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operation gladio network inside of um italy to be the next pope well lo and behold montini is the next pope and there was some confusion at some point because they're supposed to be like a puff of smoke um and the somehow time correspondent roland
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flamini uncovered evidence that showed the cia officials were able to confirm the election on montini before the actual white puff of smoke happened so not like it was rigged or anything um and also the uh
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Jelly, the guy that was the, he goes on to become the grand poobah of the P2 Masonic Lodge there. That's the atheist that somehow gets into the Knights of Malta. It goes back and talks about how in, let's see, 1919, he was born. And at age 17, he volunteered for the Black Shirts Battalion that went to fight in Spain. His brother was killed.
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In that fighting by communist forces, i.e., let's see, upon his return to Italy, he became a key liaison in an elite SS division under Field Marshal Goring. So literally from the Nazis. During the Allied occupation in 43, he escaped by volunteering.
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for the Counterintelligence Corps of Fifth Army for the U.S., working in close contact with William Colby, who at the time, and of course he goes on to be the CIA director, he was at the time an OSS agent in France. He also worked very closely with Alan Dulles, the OSS director, in establishing the Office of Reserve Affairs. And that office becomes a kind of like a secretive,
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that was recruiting carabinary officials, which is kind of like a junior FBI, under the command of Federico Umberto D'Amato. And its sole purpose was to exercise control over certain activities within the state. The carabinary becomes a kind of a mid-level management.
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And obviously not all of them, but a segment of them of this Operation Gladio network throughout Italy. Colby, who happened to be a devout Roman Catholic, and Gelli gained entry into the Vatican and joined forces with a Franciscan monk during World War II to set up the rat lines.
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that the Nazis used to get Nazi high-ranking officials out of Germany and Germany-occupied territories using the Vatican and Catholic Church as sanctuary. So that's just a little bit about his background.
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The management of the rat lines required Jelly to make frequent visits to Argentina because Argentina was one of the principal destinations into South America. And from there, they were distributed to Uruguay, Paraguay. And we've talked about them when we covered the South America area. So Jelly ends up becoming very close to President Juan Peron in Argentina.
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And that's, of course, where Adolf Eichmann ends up and several other people. So just a little bit about those connections. Kloss Barbie also was involved with Jelly. And Kloss Barbie, you will recall, was the butcher of Lyons and was responsible for over 4,000 deaths.
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And he ends up in South America as well and becomes part of the Operation Condor there. And that's what I think is most fascinating about this is there is absolutely a bridge between Operation Gladio in Europe and Operation Condor in South America. And a lot of it has to do with the Nazi ties.
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So during the operation of the rat lines, Gelli becomes very close contact with Pope Paul VI. And at the close of the war, Monsignor Montini had been placed in charge of Cartius Italiano, a Vatican charity that provided protection for German soldiers and Nazi sympathizers. The protection came to include travel documents, ID cards.
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um and such as that jelly played a key role in the smuggling of over 80 million dollars in gold and silver bars from the utasi treasury in croatia to the vatican bank holy mother church was very pleased to receive the deposit for safekeeping even though jelly squirreled away 150 gold bars for himself that's actually a whole nother story um
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Gelli became a frequent guest anytime the Vatican had foreign dignitaries in. He became very close with the military intelligence general that was in charge of Italy's intelligence. And he befriended several cardinals throughout Italy. And he also attended many Christian, Democrat.
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parties and that type of thing. And remember, we talked about Massimo Spada yesterday. He was the guy that worked in the Vatican Bank. And Mikel Sedona, his financial assistant, all became very good friends with Gelli. Gelli also strengthened his ties to the Vatican Bank through the Sicilian mafia. Gelli returned from Argentina.
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in 1956 to Italy, where he opened a mattress factory in Pistoria and became the director of Permadex. Permadex, for those of you who listened to my book series on Whitney Webb would know all about Permadex. Permadex was a CIA front company that was set up in Basel.
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which of course is where the Bank of International Settlement also money launders. So it's not a coincidence that Permadex gets set up in Basel. It also was managed at the time by the CIA operative Frank Wisner, who, if you guys remember, was in charge of the State Department's Office of...
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policy coordination that basically, once the CIA was created, moved lock, stock, and barrel to include Frank Wisner over to the CIA. So it represented a branch of Gladio that was going to be involved in the arms dealing. And they were selling arms to current communist countries like Hungary.
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And it involved a guy in New Orleans who came out in the JFK assassination paperwork, businessman Clay Shaw. He ends up getting arrested and questioned in connection with the JFK assassination. He was a member of the Permadex American Board. In Italy, Gelli served as a CIA liaison to General Lorenzo, who...
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was upon the recommendation of the current U.S. ambassador, Claire Booth Lutz, who basically her husband owns Time Magazine, had become the head of the SIFAR. SIFAR is an organization that had a large role in managing Operation Gladio for this country of Italy.
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was basically their information services with a dash of intelligence capability. So they were primarily responsible for Gladio throughout Italy. So you're going to hear a lot about them, so far. So General Lorenzo, the appointment of General Lorenzo was basically a directive from the CIA station chief, William Harvey.
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And that basically set up the organizational structure to create political, psychological, and paramilitary capability that was supposed to be against the Italian Communist Party. But as we're going to find out, it was mainly focused as domestic terrorism events to control the people. And these people all become identified.
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In 1962, with the assassination of the guy I mentioned yesterday, Enrico Mattei, who was in charge of Italian's largest oil concern, ENI. They assassinated him. They blew up his airplane. It was originally classified as...
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an accident, but then they later reclassified it as an assassination once they decided that there was a bomb involved, which was revealed as a result of all of their exposure much later. They set up an Operation Piano Solo that had to do with a scare of people outside of their control.
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that they deemed socialist, getting too many seats in an election, and that the labor was getting a little too cocky. So they decided that they needed to have some more oversight, and CIFAR sought a means to install a government of, quote-unquote, public safety, which consisted of right-wing Christian Democrats.
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And General Lorenzo, together with 20 other senior army officers, drafted a plan to create a silent coup in close cooperation with the CIA and a guy by the name of Vernon Walters. Now, those of you who follow me know all about Vernon Walters. We just exposed him the other day. William Harvey, who was the chief of the CIA station in Rome, and Colonel
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Renzo Rocha, who was the director of Gladio units within the military secret service, all worked on this plan together. CIFAR recruited 4,000 agent provocateurs to work with Rocha and his Gladio army. Basically, they're looking for people that may have been affiliated with gangs, the mafia, neo-fascist, anybody that's going to basically do what they're told.
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Piano Solo was to have concluded with the assassination of Prime Minister Aldo Moro. And as you know, he does end up getting assassinated. But at the last minute, Piano Solo was called off. And there's a lot of controversy because the exact same plan actually happens. It's just delayed a little bit. And they actually do eventually kill Aldo Moro.
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and then tried to pretend like Operation Gladio wasn't involved in it at all. So that's kind of the formation of the links between the establishment of the Gladio program and the Vatican Church. Jelly at the bidding of Vernon Walters, who is...
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basically a pretend military person, and other CIA officials underwent the initiation and the right of Freemasonry in order to join P2. Almost overnight, he rose to the 33rd degree membership, talking about Jelly. Jelly was then appointed secretary of the P2, and it was done by a guy by the name of
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Giordano Gambarini, who was also a CIA contractor. So as you will see, P2 looks an awful lot like a CIA front as well. Not that I'm saying it is, but there's a lot of overlap. Andriotti, who was the leader of the Christian Democrat Party at the time, would also move on to become Italy's prime minister. By the end of...
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this year in 1964, Mikkel Sedona had been inducted into the lodge as well and had a very elaborate ceremony to mark that entrance. By 1970, Jelly had emerged as the new, what I call Grand Poobah, but the actual name is Worshipful Master, to become in charge of the entire P2 network in a very short period of time.
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The lodge now received massive infusions of cash, up to $10 million a month from the CIA black ops funds, i.e. drug money, weapon laundering money. This money was used to purchase weaponry and supplies for all of the Gladio units throughout Italy, Greece, Turkey, and some even went to South America. Vatican banker, Mikkel...
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In addition to the membership lists contained the names of leading cabinet ministers, 30 general officers, eight admirals, and numerous newspaper editors, television executives, and top business executives, i.e. the P2 was basically the international syndicate inside of Italy. Gelli took special pride in...
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inducting a guy by the name of Carmelo Spagnola, who was the chief public defender in Milan and later became the president of the Italian Supreme Court, which is basically how you hide in plain sight networks like this. P2 by this time had branches in Argentina, Venezuela, Paraguay, Bolivia,
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France, Portugal, Nicaragua, West Germany, and England. Within the U.S., it had members and associates from families like the Gambino, Genovese, Lucia, Alexander Haig, Henry Kissinger. So very well connected. And obviously you see the overlap since we've already did South America.
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in Central America, you see the overlap with this P2 Lodge and where they also had branches and every one of those countries got couped. That was in South America. Okay. The CIA conducted massive surveillance of just about everything in Italy. Once a new military order was established, these sympathizers that were socialist in nature,
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were rounded up and shipped off to concentration camps on the island of Sardinia as a result of this surveillance program that they had set up while they were planning on executing the piano solo operation to basically kidnap the prime minister. So they were basically establishing concentration camps inside of Italy in the 1960s.
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It ends up that they had arrested over 157,000 people. Those files, some of which were as thick as dictionaries, was sent to the Vatican and to the CIA headquarters, never to be seen again. So they even exposed at one point one of the, well, Jelly produces in front of some other people a naked picture of.
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john paul and basically says that they can get that close to the pope and that john paul ii sorry while he was next to a swimming pool um buck naked and use that as an example that you could not hide from the p2 or people that were inside of the operation gladio um want to dig a little bit on um
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Michael Sedona. He's a key player in this Gladio operation. He is spotted at multiple mafia events over time. And he is hanging around with a guy that was called Little Bird Greco. And he is like one of the number one.
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mafia people in the drug trade. He also owned a fleet of ships that was used for the drug trade, and they were all flying the Honduran flag. And he joined forces with Frank Coppola, who moved heroin into Santo Traficano's Cuba via food shipments, which we've already talked about, hiding them in oranges.
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And Sedona became a huge factor in this because his role was bringing money back and laundering it through the Vatican Bank. They have a meeting in 1957 with all of these people.
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There's a guy by the name of Albert Anesthesia who was in charge of the Mangano crime family. He gets executed so that he becomes no longer a problem in picking up the drug trade.
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Because there were some people that were still kind of a little leery about doing that. And this Appalachian Conference, which is what it was called, is kind of where they decided to focus on the Black Harlem neighborhoods with the injection of all of the heroin. And they have some quibbles back and forth between veto Genevieve's.
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and Luciano about who's going to get what territory. And I'm not going to go into all of that, but this is the circumstances in which Mikkel Sedona rises to fame. And it was Vito Genevieve's basically comeuppance that
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He ends up replacing, Sedona replaces Genevieve in kind of the hierarchy. So that's how he ends up with all of this confusion and squabbling back and forth about who's going to be in charge of the heroin network. That's what brings Sedona to fame with Lucy Luciano and this entire mafioso clan that's about ready to work with, well, they're already working with the CIA to take this.
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And basically, he says, tell us who you want to kill. Tell us who the bastards are. And basically, we're going to do it. That's a quote from him. Several weeks after this Appalachian conference in Palermo, Sedona used mob money and CIA funds to create a company called FASCO AG. F-A-S-C-O-A-G. It was a Lichtenstein.
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holding company that became the cornerstone of a financial empire that he builds, being the money bag guy for this operation. He purchased his first bank called the Banca Privata Finanziaria. It's called BPF in Milan. It was founded in 1930 by fascist...
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like during Mussolini's time. The BPF served as a conduit for the illegal transfer of funds from Italy. The BPF served as the principal means for transferring drug money from the Vatican, which was its initial laundering point, for the purpose of Gladio. CIA agent William Harvey, who was the station chief in Rome at the time, arranged for the financial firms of Sir...
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Jocelyn Hambro, and remember we talked about him because he's integral to this entire operation. He was the owner of Hambro's Bank. And David M. Kennedy, who was the chairman of the Continental Illinois Bank in Chicago, to become minority shareholders in this bank. And keep in mind, the Continental Illinois Bank in Chicago is where Mark Senecas is.
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the archbishop in Chicago, and he moves over when he's promoted to become in charge of the Vatican Bank. So they didn't just pick that bank. Hambro and Sedona appeared to be very opposite of each other. But this, what turns into be eventually a trillion dollar business,
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brings in all kinds of different people. And so you have basically a mobster and a high society banker basically in bed with each other. And Hambro had long ties to the intelligence community as far back as the OSS days of World War II. He also...
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As you recall, I mentioned yesterday, was on the board of the CIA front company, the World Commerce Company. So David Kennedy's partnership with Sedona appears equally puzzling. However, when you look at Kennedy's background, he was raised on a ranch in Utah. And it's funny how many times Utah comes up in our Gladio story. He was a devout Mormon.
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His grandparents was John Kennedy and Peter Kennedy, who formed the Bank of Randolph. And in 1951, he became the president of Continental Illinois Bank. He was serving as their debt manager for the Federal Reserve. So he was based in Chicago.
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And Continental Illinois was the seventh largest bank in the country at the time, worth billions in assets. They had invested shares in a thing called Opus Dei. And Opus Dei had set up a bank in Barcelona, of which Continental Illinois was heavily invested. In 1955, Kennedy became a friend of the conservative...
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catholic religious order so for those of you who don't know because this was news to me when i first discovered this opus day is like a secret um i'm not going to call it a secret society but it is a secret organization people don't like there's no roster published of who's in it within the catholic church um it's really hard to find information about
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what it is that they do. And it's very interesting. So Kennedy's Bank became a main channel for the Vatican's real estate and corporate investments. And what did I tell you the other day? One of the businesses that they like to use for money laundering is real estate. So basically, Kennedy's Bank served as the in-state money laundering
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point of contact in the United States to buy real estate and businesses. And this whole arrangement brought him into contact with Massimo Spada, who was a part of the Vatican Bank. So they strike up a working relationship and
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Continental Illinois came to serve as a major conduit for covert CIA funds with the newly created Sedona Bank of BPF. In this way, Sedona Bank served as the principal means for launching the 1967 coup in Greece, which I've talked about before and we'll get to again.
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And that's where the George Papadopoulos colonel and a group of five colonels basically overthrew the Greek president and created a military dictatorship there, which was awful for the country of Greece. So Sedona and his Operation Gladio network provided a lot of the funding for that operation. And again.
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This is why this part is so critical, because you can't talk about Operation Gladio anywhere. And you just saw I tied it to South America and the overlap there and them creating P2. And Otto Skorzeny was the trainer for many of the people that were deployed into South America to carry off those coups. Italy and Sardinia was a training ground for many of these operations. Italy is central to this entire story.
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So that's why we're going to spend more time here than any other country. So we get to the part of the story where Paul Marcinkus, who, as I stated earlier, was the archbishop in Chicago. He's referred to in Vatican circles as the gorilla because he was six foot four. He was a huge.
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like street fighter guy. He smoked cigars, drank bourbon, and according to rumor, liked very young women. And yes, he was still supposedly not supposed to do that. So Kennedy at the Continental Illinois Bank basically was Marcinkus' banker. All of the Archbishop of...
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Chicago's money was oversaw by him. So Sedona, having got into all of these people's businesses, played an intricate part in Marcinkus getting the job as head of the Vatican Bank. So that was the equivalent of a bishop job. And they all kind of put in a good word for him.
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And as soon as he moved over here, he also joined the P2 Masonic Lodge. And Sedona's next operation was to buy another bank. He bought Banca di Messina. And this bank was located in Sicily, which was perfect for all of the heroin production that was going on in Sicily.
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And it was about to get a huge big boost in activity because if you recall in the late 60s and early 70s is when Nixon's war on drugs eliminated the Corsican mafia and pushes all of the heroin production into Sicily. So they're basically laying the groundwork for that next step. Then you have, in addition to...
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the Marcinkus connection with Chicago, in walks Sam Giacana, who is the mafia guy in charge of Chicago. And he basically is using Sedona's banks and enterprises, both in Lichtenstein and Milan, to launder the mob money from Chicago. And he also...
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created a whole string of shell companies in Panama that helped the Vatican do the money laundering. Throughout this process, the CIA, with the cooperation of Harry Angslinger, who remember is the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, worked closely with Archbishop Marcinkas and set this entire operation up. And this is...
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A quote from a former CIA, that's kind of an oxymoron, a CIA operative, quote, Hank was so close to Marsenkis that he could get Engslinger's friends and audience with the Pope, unquote. That's how tight this operation was. So Sedona's famous saying was, the best way to rob a bank was to buy it.
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And that kind of goes in line with what I told you yesterday was their strategy. They set up these banks and they did the fractional lending to themselves. And then they made the bank bankrupt and they walked away with their seed money still in their pocket because they took it out before they let the bank fail. So that was their entire modus operandi was to buy the banks and then let them fail.
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Meanwhile, you've robbed them of everything that they're worth. So I just wanted to throw that in just to kind of seal the point. It also creates part of their strategy of tension in an area that they want to destabilize, right? So stealing all the people's money definitely creates chaos. Throughout the next decade, they start racking up.
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through these banking ventures, a whole bunch of losses by making these banks intentionally fail. And few have realized that the purpose of acquisition of banks by CIA operatives Paul Helliwell, William Colby, Donald Beasley, David Kennedy, Sedona,
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was not to produce dividends for the shareholders, but rather to chalk up losses and basically stealing the money. While on the books, it looks like a loss because it's an accounting loss. But in fact, they were basically all getting rich off the quote unquote losses. Let's see. So eventually, Sedona.
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was more than a CIA operative and Vatican financial advisor. He was also a thief. So he gets caught taking more than his fair share of some of the transactions. And this is the part in the story where they actually start talking about how much people were getting as their quote-unquote fair share. Like it mentions that
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The Vatican Bank was taking up to a 15% commission. And Sedona was also wanting, he had a private account in a bank called FINA Bank, F-I-N-A-B-A-N-K in Geneva. And he basically was putting like another 10% cut for having arranged all of this.
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Um, and he was told that if things weren't kept appropriately, that he was going to be swimming with the fishes. Um, because of course that's kind of the, the way, um, these people operate. And, um, after uncovering some of the shenanigans in Sedona's banks, a guy by the name of Bordani
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B-O-R-D-O-N-I, tried to distance himself from Sedona because at the time he was working for him. And he basically had broken the law as well with some of his own foreign speculations as far as investments and what he was supposed to do and not do.
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So Bordone stayed and assisted Sedona in the formation and operation of a massive international brokerage company called MoneyRex, M-O-N-E-Y-R-E-X. And it was created in 1964. MoneyRex established relations with 850 other banks around the world and conducted business in excess of $200 billion a year. Through this brokerage firm,
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Italy's richest and most powerful individuals had squirreled away enormous fortunes illegally and safely in foreign banks. Sedona, performing this service, took between 15 and 20 percent as his cut and had kept a private ledger that also accounted for who all of these people were. Not a good day. June 1967.
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The IRS agents became aware that Sedona had been involved in drug trafficking in the Gambino clan. The case came to center not on heroin, but on the illicit movement of depressant, stimulant, and hallucinogenic drugs between Italy and the U.S., and possibly other European countries. But the investigation, thanks to the CIA, went to a dead end.
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And, um, then Sedona, um, as if all of that wasn't enough, he gets involved with Shanghai Sheck, who we all know to be the big drug guy and several of the people in his family. So on several occasions, and I love that Paul Williams called, um, Taiwan Formosa, um, to provide funds.
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to Chiang Kai-shek and the remnants of his KMT army, who continued to cultivate poppy fields in Laos and Thailand with members of the Meng family. In 1967, CIA operatives Ted Shackley and Thomas Clines were assigned to establish heroin refineries with the aid of the Corsican mafia who permeated Saigon's underworld.
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In 68, Shackley, who was known as the Blonde Ghost, arranged for Santo Traficano to visit Saigon and meet with another drug lord, Vang Pao. In the meeting, Vang's ability to provide supply for the ever-increasing demand was confirmed. During his stay, Traficano also met with prominent Corsican
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gangsters to arrange shipments to the labs at the time, because again, this is back in 67. They haven't killed all of the Corsican mafia yet, which they will. And the old Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, the BNDD, launched Operation Eagle in 1968. It found itself arresting scores of CIA employees, many of whom were working directly for Tropicano.
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The BNDD could not get Johnson or Nixon administration to go after Traficano because he was working for them. The CIA insisted on loaning some of their select special agents to the BNDD as investigators, because obviously, if you're on the inside, you can steer them away from your people. So that's kind of how I again, this just illustrates everything about what's wrong.
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No one in the DEA is arresting any of the big people because all of the big people happen to work for the CIA. They arrest their competition. That's about it. And I've talked to people like Alpha. He was a drug cop. And he's confirmed this, that you will start working your way up an apparatus as far as one of these networks. And at some point, you get waved off.
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There will not be, and they supposedly like, um, unindicted code conspirator, that kind of crap, but you're not allowed to touch them. Um, so in 1969, Sedona becomes the most powerful financial figure in Italy because basically he's running all the billions of dollars in drug money. Um, and his, uh, portfolio included six banks, the international.
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CIGA hotel chain, 500 other companies, and he controlled the stock market in Milan, where 40% of the shares traded on any given day was under his control. His ability to influence the Italian financial condition was profound. And that actual statement came from Prime Minister Andriotto.
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Andriotti, which was also a fellow member of the P2 with Sedona. So later in the spring of 69, Sedona was summoned to the Pope's private study. And the short, slender, well-spoken mafia Don Sedona wore a meticulously tailored suit. And the Pope.
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who at this time was Paul VI, told Sedona that there was a terrible problem. He was talking about the collapse of the First Republic and the long reign of the Christian Democrat Party. The new government had moved to discard the Treaty of 1929, which gave the Catholic holdings in the country tax-exempt status. The measure spelled financial destitute for the church and a tax bill in essence in excess,
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of $250 million a year. Now, you can do the math on that. That means the Vatican was sitting on a shit ton of money. Even worse, the measure would prompt other countries to follow suit and basically take money away from the Catholic Church if they could be taxed in their home country of Italy. Sedona replied by proposing a strategy to remove the Vatican resources out of Italy.
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and into the United States and into tax-free euro-dollar markets through a network of offshore financial firms. This move would not only cloak the Vatican's holdings, but it would also kind of distribute the risk, if you will, and the possibilities of any one entity interfering with the Vatican's finances. So Pope Paul handed Sedona an agreement.
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that he already had prepared and named Sedona the leading banker for the Vatican Bank. And it basically gave him complete control over the entire Vatican foreign and domestic investment portfolio. Sedona worked closely with Bishop Marcinikas, who at that point had already moved over to the Vatican Bank from Chicago. And that meant that...
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all of the billions of dollars of the Vatican's wealth was at his disposal. Before Sedona took control of the assets, the Vatican held major interest in Rothschild's banks in France, Chase Manhattan Bank, with its 57 branches in 44 countries, Credit Suisse in Zurich, and the Morgan Bank, the Bankers' Trust, General Motors, General Electric, Shell Oil, Gulf Oil,
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Bethlehem steel. Vatican officials sat on the board of Finsider, F-I-N-S-I-D-E-R, and owned a huge stake in it. Also, 24 other countries produced that in combined produced 90% of the Italian steel. They also controlled shipping lines, Alfa Romeo.
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as far as quantity of investment. So they had holdings in construction companies, blah, blah, blah. In the same way, Sedona purchased the Vatican's majority ownership in the Italian water company, a ceramic and chemical company, and a huge pharmaceutical company.
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That also produced contraceptive pills, which went on to be a big issue. So the transactions were completed in order to escape the Italy's tax collector bill. And a lot of the stuff was transferred to a trust in Luxembourg. Some was transferred to FASCO, F-A-S-C-O-A-G, in Liechtenstein.
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Some of it was linked to investments with an Iraqi businessman by the name of Nadim Aksi, N-A-D-H-M-I-A-U-C-H-I, who was later convicted of fraud in a $500 million corruption scandal that centered on the French oil company Elf Aquitaine.
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like Sedona, possessed strong ties to the intelligence community and spent many years as a bag man for Saddam Hussein. In recent years, the Baghdad billionaire became a major contributor to the Barack Obama campaign. Aki, along with David Rockefeller, who was another financier,
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and former U.S. intel official, the members of the Rockefeller's family also had shares, all of them had shares in a company called Paribas, P-A-R-I-B-A-S. So despite all of these connections, Sedona proceeded to liquidate the church's remaining holdings in Italy's companies to buyers, including Ambrose Bank, Continental Illinois.
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and Americans' conglomerate, Gulf and Western. He invested much of the revenue from these sales in American companies like Chase Manhattan, Standard Oil, Westinghouse, Colgate, Procter & Gamble, and Dan River. Many of these all were under the control of David Rockefeller. So basically, you've got a guy working for the international syndicate that the Vatican Bank is a collector of.
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profits in the drug trade, and then they put it under the control of basically a CIA-controlled guy who then money launders that money into the international syndicate's preferred companies back in the United States. That's what just happened. The liquidation of the Vatican holdings, as engineered by Sedona, produced a disastrous effect on the Italian economy, because basically you've got
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a shit ton of wealth leaving the Italian economy because it had been invested in by the Vatican Bank. Charles Bludorn, B-L-U-H-D-O-R-N of Gulf and Wesson worked with Sedona and they engaged in trading worthless stocks back and forth in order to create a false market.
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Kind of just driving up by fraudulent trading, trading the price of certain stocks. And in 1972, the SEC demanded a halt to their practice. At the time, Gulf and Western owned Paramount Pictures and they were filming The Godfather, which, of course, glamorized the mafia as they were manipulated.
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I know you're branding. Yeah, I had somebody trying to call me. I hung up on them. Y'all are the priority. So we had another company by the name of Immobilare, I-M-M-O-B-I-L-I-A-R-E, which was a giant real estate and construction firm Sedona had purchased shares in from the Vatican.
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They owned Paramount Studios in Hollywood when the film was being shot. Through these arrangements, Blue Dorn profited from the Godfather movies and it flowed into Sedona's bank and holding companies with billions of dollars in them from the heroin trade. Is that crazy shit?
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That kind of sets the tone for, I just, you can't like summarize this story well enough for you to understand how intricate this network was. But we haven't even talked about the best guy yet. The best guy enters in 1969 into a friendship with Sedona as well. And that guy's name is Roberto Calvi.
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So he's going to kind of be the highlight of the story today. So Roberto Calvi is also a member of the P2, of course. And at the time, back in those days, he was the assistant manager of Banco Ambrosiano. He was a wealthy kind of guy. And the bank in Milan was kind of like one of the primo banks there.
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It was established back in 1894, so it had been around forever. It was ran primarily by officials of the Catholic Church and a very well-respected church. To ward off interest of outsiders, the statutes of the bank required shareholders to produce a voucher of their good character from their local priest.
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That's kind of how exclusive their membership was. No shareholder could own more than 5% of the bank's wealth. Sedona realized that the priest's bank would be an ideal part of his financial empire in money laundering. Best of all, it had no dominant shareholders, so that those who ran it had unfettered hands.
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that Sedona and his new friend quickly came up with a plan to gain control over the bank through the creation of a whole bunch of shell companies in Panama so that they would all own 5% of the bank and therefore they would actually own and control the bank. In 1969, it was a banner year for Operation Gladio. The left,
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was basically, how do you say this? So they were creating labor unions to make it appear like there was a rise in the presence so they could justify the use of Gladio. And as that happened, there would be the corresponding pushback, if you will, to that perceived increase in labor.
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presence. So that generated the opportunity to engage in the strategy of tension. So Nixon takes office in 1969. You now have Henry Kissinger as the National Security Advisor, and he issues orders to Lucio Gelli, the P2 Grand Poobah.
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and his deputy, General Alexander Haig, to implement terror attacks and coup attempts. So Kissinger is deeply concerned about this perceived increase in communist activity all over the world, which is basically all made up. And in addition, the millions being channeled to P2 by the CIA officials in order to create these false flags.
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So in 1970 alone, Sedona received more than $10 million from the U.S. ambassador to Italy. At this point is Graham Martin. And oh, by the way, go ahead and look him up. He was the ambassador to Thailand.
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And who else was the ambassador to Thailand? Oh, yeah, Wild Bill Donovan. And Thailand, of course, is where we paid the chief cop there $35 million to buy their harbors and airstrips. Same guy. He also was ambassador, oh, my God, to Vietnam. Look at that. And he was involved in the FDR's National Recovery Act, which was deemed 100% unconstitutional. His mentor was Harriman.
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So you see what kind of guy he is. So he's funneling money to Sedona and basically in control of the Operation Gladio apparatus within Italy. And on December 12th, 1969, there's a bomb that explodes in the lobby of the Banque Nationale d'Agriculture, which is in Milan's...
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Piazza Fontana. So, I mean, it's right downtown. 17 people are killed and 88 people are injured. The victims, for the most part, were farmers who were coming in at a specific time when they knew that they would be there to put their money in the bank. Within an hour, three bombs exploded in Rome. And, you know, that's a good distance between Milan and Rome.
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One in a pedestrian underpass in which entered 14 people and two on the Victor Emmanuel Monument, which houses Italy's unknown soldier. These active terrorisms were attributed to, of course, left-wing radicals and 80 suspects were immediately rounded up, which included a guy by the name of Giuseppe Pinelli.
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who basically was a railroad worker who had tried to organize different labor things. In the course of the interrogation, Pinelli died, supposedly, quote unquote, falling from the fourth floor window of a police station. In the investigation into his death, there's lots of discrepancies into what exactly happened.
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Later, an Italian court ruled Pinelli's fall had been caused by a sudden loss of consciousness, like he actually passed out or was knocked out. Another one of his comrades, a guy by the name of Pietro Valpreta, was also taken into custody for the bombing. After a taxi driver identified him as a passenger, he had transported to the bank that day.
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After his alibi was judged insufficient, he was held for three years in preventive detention before being sentenced for the crime. Sixteen years later, Valpreto was exonerated after evidence established that the attack had been conducted in accordance with Operation Gladio. Sixteen years later, and he was held in jail in...
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detention without even being charged, just like our January 6th people, for three years. That's why we have to understand how this network works, because it's operating here right now. Police Italian investigators were neither completely corrupt nor totally incompetent. Months after the Piazza Fontana bombing, an organization that's called Ordine
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Nuovo, which is New Order, which is a primary apparatus that was part of Operation Gladio. It was labeled a neo-fascist organization founded by a guy, Pino Rauti, R-A-U-T-I. He came under suspicion in March 1972. Giovanni
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Ventura, another guy by the name of Franco Frida and Rowdy, were arrested and charged with planning a terrorist attack. The evidence against them was compelling. The composition of the bombs were identical to explosives that Ventura had hid in a friend's home a few days after the incident. The bags in which the bombs were concealed
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had been purchased a couple of days before at a shop in Frida's hometown. Despite all of this incriminating evidence, those three men were immediately acquitted. During the trial, alarming claims were made. Ventura told the court that he was an agent of the CIA. In support of that claim, he directed the court officials to a safe deposit box that he opened at Banco Popolari.
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in the names of his mother and aunt. Within the box were confidential CIA files. One documented May 4th, 1969, listed a number of detailed steps to be taken, including a wave of terror attacks to convince public opinion of the dangers of maintaining a government alliance with the left. When asked,
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If he had been manipulated by the CIA or outside intelligence agencies, he said, quote, the life of everyone is manipulated by those in power. In my case, I accept that I had been a puppet in the hands of an idea, but not the hands of men in the secret services here in Italy or abroad. That is to say that I have voluntarily fought my own war following the strategic designs from my ideas. That is all.
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unquote. But yet he's a CIA agent. 30 years after the Piazza Fontana massacre, during the trial of three other new order operatives, General Giardello Maletti, former head of the Italian counterintelligence, said that the massacre had been carried out by Italian stay-behind armies and right-wing terrorists on the orders of the CIA.
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In his sworn testimony, the general said, quote, the CIA, following the directives of its government, wanted to create an Italian nationalism capable of holding what it saw as a slide to the left. And for this purpose, it may have made use of right-wing terrorism, unquote. He also later added, quote, don't forget that Nixon was in charge and Nixon was a strange man.
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a very intelligent politician, but a man with very unorthodox initiatives, unquote. One of those initiatives was to wipe out the Corsican mafia. That's not part of their story. I'm just reminding you. Similarly, Paolo Traviani, a Christian Democrat in Italy, told investigators.
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that the Italian military intelligence service was about to send a senior officer from Rome to Milan to prevent the bombing, but decided to send a different officer from Padua in order to put the blame on left-wing anarchists. In an August 2000 interview, Tabiani said, It seems to me certain, however, that the agents of the CIA were among those who supplied the materials and who muddied the waters of the investigation.
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Now, what you're also going to find out is in most of these bombings, the material that was used for the bombings, once they got a little better later ability to examine some of the evidence, was tied to an explosive material that was only found in NATO. It was not sold to civilian populations.
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And also, that same material in some of the randomly discovered caches of weapons, like in the case some kids found.
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One of the caches in the Netherlands and that generated like a four year investigation there. That same C4 type explosive materials was found in others. But I'm talking this is decades later. This was not information that was available at the time. And so then they were able to tie several of these bombings together based on having unearthed some of these buried caches that were found.
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Like I said, multiple decades later. And that allowed them to tie all the pieces together. So, in addition to all of this, the 30-year investigation, the Italian officials were able to place the key planners of the Fontana bombing. A guy by the name of Hung Finwich, F-E-N-D-W-I-C-H, a leading engineer.
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for Selenia oversaw the proliferation of attacks and coup preparations. Selenia, with offices in Rome, specialized in electronic security and defense. The company was owned by Finmeccanica, a conglomerate with a long history of ties to the CIA. Findwich was a typical engineer.
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He studied and refined plans, drew up analysis of political situations, and left the dirty work to the New Order and other neo-fascist groups in service to the agency. The bombing was allegedly commandeered by a Navy captain, David Carrott, C-A-R-R-E-T-T, who happened to be a CIA operative.
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attached to NATO command in Verona. Carrot worked in tandem with Operation Gladio commander Sergio Mineto and Carlo Diglio, the CIA mole that was within New Order. And I'm telling you, all of these organizations that are set up to do these terror events all have CIA.
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embedded in them just to keep track of them. Preparations for the bombings were made in an isolated house near Treviso. And on December 7th, 1970, there was a Gladio unit launched the Golpe Borghese, which was the Borghese coup, an attempt to topple the Italian government.
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It was named after Julio Valerio Borghese. And that's the guy I talked about yesterday. That's the Black Prince. The coup attempt involved hundreds of Gladio participants, including Jelly and Sedona, along with members of the state forest police. Because keep in mind, a lot of the caches of weapons are stashed in wooded.
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forested areas. So all of your forested police, at least at some level, are very aware of this operation. The planners intended to kidnap the Italian president, Giuseppe Saragat, and to murder Angelo Beccari, the head of the National Police Department. At the last minute, the plans were canceled.
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News arrived that Saragat's Christian Democrat government knew of the plan and stood ready to declare martial law. Borghese had been busy during the Cold War. He continued to recruit former members of a thing called Decima Mas. It's spelled D-E-C-I-M-A, and the second word is M-A-S. It was right-wing activists, including a guy who will come up repeatedly in Europe, Stefano Dallese.
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And his name, his last name is D-E-L-L-E. And then a second word, C-H-I-A-I-E. And he is a central figure in Gladio throughout Europe. And they helped establish another organization that was called Front Nationale, F-N. That organization, like New Order, was to subvert the institutions of the state by means of a coup.
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He set up his military headquarters in Rome at a shipyard that was owned by Remo Orlandini, one of the country's leading industrialists, i.e. the International Syndicate. And according to newspapers, Jesus James Angleton arrived at the shipyards before the coup attempt and left as soon as the plan was canceled.
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So he was basically there to oversee it. When Borghese died in Spain in 1974, because of course he was basically disenfranchised from Italy after this, Delge said that the Black Prince had been poisoned because investigations into the 1970 coup had begun in Italy and too many people wanted him dead. 30 years after the coup, Borghese...
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French investigative journalist René Monzat, M-O-N-Z-A-T, uncovered evidence that the military attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Rome was intricately involved in the plot. Monzat also discovered that President Nixon had carefully monitored the preparations and maintained constant information and connection as the CIA op unfolded.
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These findings were confirmed through a Freedom of Information request in December 2004. In May 1971, another car bomb exploded in a forested area near Italian village of Patino. The explosion wounded and killed three members of the carabinieri. The carabinieri had been summoned to the site by an anonymous phone call.
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inspecting an abandoned Fiat 500. One of the policemen opened the hood, which triggered the bomb. Two days later, another anonymous call implicated the Red Brigade, which of course had nothing to do with it, but immediately they rounded up 200 of them in order to hold them and basically pretend like they were in charge.
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The case against the brigades was eventually weakened by this discovery by the carabinieri in February 1972, which of course is almost a year later. The Italian officers stumbled upon an underground arms dump, i.e. a gladiocache, of automatic rifles, grenades, and composition C4.
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the most powerful plastic explosive in the world at the time. The officers initially thought the cachet must belong to a criminal group like the Nostraneta or one of the mafia things, but the C4 baffled the investigators. The mafia and the brigade relied on explosives made of galignite. C4 was an explosive.
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that was exclusively used by NATO and U.S. forces. A week later, more arms were found in a nearby cave. This second discovery prompted General Saravelli, the commander of the Gladio in Italian military intelligence, to order the dismantling of the arms dumps in forest, meadows, church basements, and cemeteries throughout Italy. In addition to explosives, the dumps contained portable arms.
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munitions, hand grenades, knives, daggers, 60-millimeter mortar rockets, several 57-millimeter coil-less rifles, sniper rifles, radio transmitters, binoculars, and various tools. The weapons were removed from 137 burial sites and transported to a secret service plane to a Gladio base in Sardinia. The aircraft exploded in flight.
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on November 23, 1973, and may have been sabotaged by Gladios. This suspicion gained credence with the fact that the Saravalli was supposed to have been a passenger on that exact plane. In 1970, Saravalli told the press that he had been shocked to discover the extremist views of those in his command. Yeah.
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I don't think he was actually shocked. But I do believe that, and I've read a couple of different versions of this, the people in that network were pissed off that he confiscated their supplies and was basically flying them out of.
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They were all consolidated in Sardinia as they collected them, and then he was going to fly them out of Sardinia to a designated location, probably for another country to use, whatever. But the people that were inside the Gladio network were pissed off that he was giving their weapons away and arranged to have that aircraft blow up because they thought he was on it. In 1984, after 12 years of investigation, Vincenzo Vesigara
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a leader of the new order, was taken into custody and questioned about the Patrionio incident. After confessing in court that he had planted the car bomb, this is what he said, quote, with the massacre of Piano and with all those that have followed, the knowledge should by now be clear that there exists a real life structure, a cult and hidden.
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with the capacity of giving a strategic direction to the outrages. It lies within the state itself. There exists in Italy a secret force parallel to the armed forces composed of civilian and military men in an anti-Soviet capacity that is to organize a resistance on Italian soil against a Russian army. A secret organization, a super organization, with a network of comms,
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arms and explosives and men trained to use them. This super organization, which lacking a Soviet military invasion, which might not happen, took up the task on NATO's behalf of preventing a slip to the left in the political balance of this country. This they did with the assistance of the official secret services and the political and military forces, unquote. Following his conviction and sentence to life in prison,
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In an interview with The Guardian, this is a quote, the terrorist line was followed by camouflaged people, people belonging to the security apparatus or those linked to the state apparatus through rapport and cooperation. I say that every single outrage that followed from 1969 fitted into a single organized matrix. The Avant-Garde Nationale and the
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new order were being mobilized into a battle as part of an anti-communist strategy originating not with organizations deviant from the institutions of power, but from within the state itself, and specifically from within the state's relation with the Atlantic Alliance. So we go on to, and I wanted to cover those specifically down to the nuts and bolts, because
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In addition to all of that, in 1974, they arrange a train bombing. Then they arrange the Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro's kidnapping and eventually he's murdered. So this goes on and on. And again, we know all of this and the fact that all of this was part of...
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operation gladio only because they did such an extensive, um, investigation into all of these proceedings. Um, hold on just one second here. Okay. Um, so here's the part and I'm going to conclude with this, um, today. Um, and we probably have,
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One more, because we still have to get to Calvi's death. But we kind of definitely. But like I said, we got to know this history because it's the foundation for all of the rest of the European countries. In a cryptic article that was written in May 1978, an investigative journalist by the name of Carmine.
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Mino Piccarelli, drew a connection between the death of Morrow and Gladio. Morrow's body, he noted, had been left in the trunk of a car parked next to an ancient Roman amphitheater where runaway slaves and prisoners fought to the death in a Gladio-type combat. The blood of yesterday and the blood of today is part of the article that he wrote.
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In another article, Pecorelli wrote that Morrow's kidnapping had been carried out by the lucid superpower and inspired by the logic of Yalta. He described the crime as one of the biggest political operations carried out in recent decades in an industrialized country integrated into a Western system. He also, his last article published on January 16th, 1979, he wrote, quote,
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We will talk about Steve Pazinik, and let me spell his last name, P-I-E-C-Z-E-N-I-K, who participated for three weeks in the Interior Ministry's expert meetings, then returned to America before Morrow was killed, and reported to Congress that the measures taken
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on the Morrow affair were the best possible to the circumstances, i.e. basically kidnapping him and murdering him. Several months after making these claims, Piccarelli was gunned down near his office in Rome. The barrel of a gun had been shoved down his throat and the trigger pulled twice in a classic gesture of mafia-practiced stone in the mouth.
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Police officers discovered a stone within Piccarelli's mouth as an announcement that it was basically never again would he divulge a secret. So, of course, that kind of is reminiscent of the Danny Casolaro talking about the octopus. And if you go back and you read some of his articles, Danny Casolaro was killed for the exact same reason this guy was.
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He had put together the pieces of our own internal Operation Gladio and the funding of the drug networks into America in exchange for arms with the Wagon Hut connection and the Indian Reservation connections. He had put all of those pieces together and wrote about it, and he was assassinated as a result of that. So as soon as I read this,
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part about Piccarelli. It was reminiscent about all of the actual real reporters having given up their lives for reporting the truth. So I wanted to stop right there because, again, you see immediately the connections between what has happened in all of these other countries and what is happening in America. And this, again,
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This is not new. This kind of stuff has happened in America before. We just didn't see the bigger picture. And that's why I'm adamant everybody's going to understand about Operation Gladio because it puts everything into context. So do we have any questions for today? Oh, Staff Sergeant G, welcome to the podcast. You need to come up and speak, dude.
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Yep, we have, I don't think we have any questions. Come on, anybody, you know, anybody, even just thoughts or ideas or, you know, what's your experience with this? Go ahead, Stella. Good morning, and thank you again for having this space. Oh, my gosh. Quick question. Some of these names sound familiar because I have friends that are in Italy, and they talk about some of the business things and, you know, just in passing.
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And some of these names sound familiar. And then I used to be in cosmetics. Do you think that like Borghese, like you had mentioned that name, they had a huge cosmetic line. So even back then, if that is part of the same family or lineage and stuff like that, they were using huge big corporations or starting to use corporations for their stuff as well then. Is that correct? Yes, that is correct. And Borghese, obviously, I mean, it's a royal family in Italy.
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I don't know if a lot of people realize that most of these countries, you know, they all were part of former kingdoms. And Italy had a king up until Mussolini kind of deposed the king and took over as a fascist dictator in the early part of the 19th century. So or the whatever, the 20th century, the 1900s. And so most of.
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He was considered, though, not part of the like normal royal family. That's why they refer to him as the Black Prince. And there's a lot of history there that would be a lot to go into. But I'm not aware. I mean, obviously, at some point they go back to being related to each other.
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Yeah, they do. If you go back, because I was really into art and art history and stuff like that. So the Medici's were in the Tuscany area. And I believe the Borghese's, and I think that they, because when the Catholic Church or the Vatican or whatever you want to call it, when it's got it, they pretty much got rid of a lot of the princes and the principalities.
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Italy, it was kind of broken up in different ways. But then during, I do know that there was a time when they were some of the, I guess, areas or kingdoms or principalities or whatever, little areas, you know, like Verona had its area and things like that. And you mentioned that. But, you know, they, there were like descendants because apparently during the Roman times, they did get rid of a lot of quote unquote, the
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the prince or prince of the kings or whatever, but through lineages that were broken up, they did establish some princes and stuff like that and kingdoms, even through, like you said, through World War II. Right. It makes a lot of sense. I mean, as all of these things that you're talking about, each of these layers, whether it's in South America, they all have ties to everything. Even in current times, it's just kind of mind blowing. It's definitely mind blowing.
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Did anybody else have anything? Go ahead, Josh. Yeah. In reference to what you were talking about with Sedona, the Panama shell companies that he was setting up, it reminded me of Alden Global Capital. And I don't know if in your research you've come across this gentleman's name. There's very little about him that I can find. His name is Randall Smith. He runs Alden Global Capital. He has like a.
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a mansion right next to where Jeffrey Epstein used to have one in Miami. And he runs this vulture fund. Okay. And the purpose of the vulture fund is to bankrupt local newspapers. And there's a pretty good article on the Atlantic about it. I can post it in the, in the pill, but, and anyway, I was curious as to if you've come across the, because that part is kind of interesting to me is how he would use the banking system to bankrupt the bank. It reminded me of the same practices that are,
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rampant throughout multiple um you know big businesses but particularly when you were referring to the journalists it seems like you know they don't want to even like put their hands in the they don't want to get rid of journalists anymore they want to get rid of like the the people doing the work that they even have the opportunity to do so they get rid of these these local newspapers and they correct so has he come up at all this guy he has not
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No, but I will look into him and it's getting fairly easy to look at people's background timing wise. Now that we've been doing this for almost a year to be able to tell whether or not on a surface level, obviously not digging deep based on where he's been and what he's involved in to be able to pick up on some of those things. It's definitely getting easier.
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Okay, great, great, great, great. And the other quick question was, it was very interesting what you were referring to with the CIA ops being able to create terror events to convince the public to adopt these left-wing policies. And it reminded me of, and I just, again, I wanted, I don't know if this is true or not, but I keep hearing these things about the Unabomber, right, with Ted Susiski, but him having basically
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been compelled so to speak to to do the to by the cia to create to actually um do the oklahoma bombing so is any is there anything information on that as well i don't know if so if you go back and you look at his background he definitely appears to be an mk ultra um right um and everything matches
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The fact that he was an MK ultra victim and was told to do what he did. Yeah, I tend to agree with that. And also even the Highland Park shooter, Robert, Robert. Yeah, that one was very, very strange. But anyway, yeah. Thank you again for your work. I just wanted to know specifically about this vulture fund because.
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Yeah, I have some contacts and it just seems to be getting harder and harder for them to be able to speak their voice. But anyway, thank you. Yeah. So post that in the pill and I will definitely look into that. And I will say I will say that as Sally, who I will call on next, has picked up the mantle to run with this. There is definitely an overlap between terror events and the MK Ultra.
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program um that that is it's huge actually um because they are using mk ultra victims to create the terror events go ahead sally that was exactly what i was going to talk about thanks for having me colonel towner and bridget makes me you guys are following our host and co-host they do this stuff for free make sure you turn on notifications because when you tell the truth you get suppressed
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And if you would like to donate to them, they have a little box at the top of their profile on their main page where you can donate to their stuff. And then I was just going to say, he was just bringing up MKUltra. Last night when I was covering Bill Elmer, which he's in the chat right now, he's the one hosting that series and has allowed me to use that information. Dolas, after he supposedly retired from the CIA, after he set up Operation Gladio, went over to the MKUltra project, which was very fascinating to learn.
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And he's all part of that. So anyway, that's what I had to say. Thank you. Yeah. And thanks for adding that, because there is definitely a corollary, just as we learned with Jim Jones, who's out in San Francisco conducting MK Ultra experiments for the CIA, who had also created a terrorist training camp for Gladio in Guyana and then moves his MK Ultra experiment to Guyana.
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when Congressman Leo Ryan, and that was my first introduction to the significant overlap of the two. Let's see. And then we found overlaps with Waco, and we found overlaps. I mean, it's just nonstop. Yeah. You know. Ludwocka? I'm going to butcher your name, so.
1:39:31
Go ahead. I'm just going to call you Ludo. Yeah, perfectly. Hello, everybody. Thank you very much for the space. Thank you very much for all your work. You helped me understand also a lot of the history of my family. But I'm glad also you brought up the impact of Gladio to the economic situation of the country.
1:40:00
It's to consider, we should consider that during this time in Italy, there was a major immigration wave, emigration.
1:40:10
I mean, people from Italy had to emigrate, including my parents, during the 60s because it seemed that in Italy there was not enough work for these people. So imagine that, on the one hand, an accumulation of wealth, of capital, of money. On the other side...
1:40:40
An industry so-called underdeveloped. Incredible, incredible. Not only politically and militarily, but Gladio has had a lot, a big impact on the economy of the country, of the countries, of the several countries.
1:41:00
And last, sorry, very sorry for my English. I studied so long, but I didn't imagine I was so bad. I hope you're very good. You're doing great. Thank you. So that's that's it. Thank you very much. And I want to highlight what you just said. These people like Sedona, Calvi, all of these people, they're making billions of dollars wrecking a country.
1:41:31
So he just decides, hey, in order to save a few million dollars for the Vatican, who's raking in blood money from the drug traffickers, we're going to mass exodus capital out of the country of Italy and destroy the entire freaking country. And people have to understand they don't give a shit.
1:41:58
about the people they will destroy and that's the part I just cannot fathom people not understanding surely no one would be that mean how many times where we go through every single one of these countries they will kill hundreds of thousands of people dump them out of the back of an airplane so they don't even have to worry themselves with digging graves
1:42:26
They will destroy an entire country's economic system in order to save a church a few million dollars in taxes so that they don't provide services to the same people whose jobs they just destroyed. That's these people. They will stop at nothing. And we all have to understand that. Join hands together and fight back. Their worst nightmare.
1:42:56
is things like this, where we all begin to understand the depths of their depravity and the power that we all have collectively. So, does anybody else have anything? And I was going to say, and that's why these spaces and what you've been teaching, you know, it's almost like...
1:43:18
Every single conflict in the last 150, well, longer than that, but just say what we've been really studying in the last hundred years, every conflict that's gone on in the world, all over the world, somehow or another has gladio type. Yes, absolutely. And now what's going on here in the U.S., what they did to Italy, what they did.
1:43:45
To all these other countries, you know, they don't give a crap about the people. Look at what's happening. I mean, yeah, you're right. I don't understand how people like that can go to sleep at night unless I don't know. It's mind boggling. They're Satanists. They live for this. They're energized by this. They feel like these are feathers in their caps. That's what people have to understand. They're not godly people.
1:44:16
So go ahead, Sally. I was just going to say, even after I've gone through Gladio, like I said, I've done like the follicle ball series. I've done lots of different things. I even covered Operation Paperclip. If anyone is going to cover or try to learn about any supposed conspiracy theory, I recommend at least reading the Paul Williams book to get a grasp of what Operation Paperclip is or go through and watch the beginning parts of
1:44:45
counter stuff where i have a series on rumble and it is on x right now but if you understand that you see these operations or supposed conspiracy theories so differently even the jfk assassination everything has a different lens on it yes i agree um benjamin go ahead yes ma'am um
1:45:09
I was down in the comments, and I was reading something that Bridget had posted about John XIII. He was Pope in the 60s, 62 to 65, I think, until his death. But I thought it was real interesting, a lot of the changes that he incorporated. It was kind of like there was a changing of the guard. There was a changing in the direction that the Catholic Church wanted to go into. And then I did some more research, and I went back, and I saw that, like,
1:45:38
Back in 1929, the Catholic Church, the Pope at the time, was talking about rats scurrying through the walls. You know, they were broke. They were bankrupt. They didn't have anything. And then it also talks about how Mussolini, when they were doing the unification of Italy, he stopped by and they sent an army over to the Vatican to take over.
1:46:01
basically. And then that's when the Catholic Church got involved in all kinds of the dirty, underhanded things under the surface, you know, with World War II and things like that. So, yeah, history is interesting, especially when you get to see it from the other side of it, what really happened kind of thing. Correct. Correct. Go ahead, Bridget. One of the things I just wanted to bring up, and it was adding to Ludwig in your conversation, and it was just
1:46:32
To give you an idea of how much these people enjoy making us hurt and making us miserable, it's not that they don't care. They do care. They want to make us miserable. One of the biggest aha moments one day came when all of a sudden we realized, you know, what they use to celebrate Veterans Day are poppy pins.
1:47:02
Poppy pens and how many lives were lost protecting poppy fields when we were lied to and told that it was all in the name of democracy, all in the name of democracy. You really, once you have your Gladio glasses fully fixed on your face, you see through and it's hard, but it's necessary or history continues to repeat itself. So I have to.
1:47:30
give my husband credit. He's the one that also came up with the get smart with the chaos and control thing. He did say that one day when I was telling him the whole story about Vietnam, which we will eventually get to and how the entire way Vietnam happened was a complete lie. And then, you know, and I thought, and I was talking to him about that, that it appears, and this was very early on in all of this. And I said, it appears that we have a roving.
1:47:57
military operation anywhere there happens to be poppy fields nearby. And he just looked at me and he goes, well, isn't poppy pens what they hand out on Veterans Day? I looked at him and I'm like, oh, son of a bitch. Because I...
1:48:16
You know, when I was at the Pentagon, that was a big deal. The bank that's down in the concourse area, they'd have them laying out on the counter there for everybody. You weren't allowed to wear them on your uniform, but you always brought them back and you sat them on your desk and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh, shoot. Never did it ever dawn on me that that's how in your face these people are, that they would give the military who are their poppy field.
1:48:45
guardians a slap in the face like that. And they enjoy doing it. Go ahead, Benjamin. Well, like I said, I love history. I've read thousands and thousands of books. In the Navy, as enlisted leaders, we're big about our own history and what we pass on. That goes back to you and your own family. I'm very conscientious of what I pass on to my children and how I appear to them.
1:49:17
But an interesting theory that I heard was the fourth turning. I don't know if any of you have seen that video, but it seems to me like on a global scale, the world goes through certain cycles. If you go back...
1:49:31
80 years, you got World War II. If you go back 80 years prior to that, you got the Civil War. 80 years prior to that, Revolutionary War. And those are certain times where one side says, hey, you're pushing too much. You're taking too much. You guys don't really care for me. The other side says, just sit there and take it. You'll get what you get kind of thing. And we're going through a cycle like that. And a lot of people are caught in the middle of this because, you know,
1:49:57
They haven't got into the movie yet. They don't know what's going on. So that's why it's our our jobs to be waking up as many of them as we can, you know, because this really is a generational war. There's always going to be outside influence, especially if you're the biggest guy on the block. Nobody wants to be up under your boot. So it's like we've got to really take a look at ourselves and see, you know.
1:50:20
what we want to become as a nation and what direction we want to go in, you know, and the ones that are in charge right now, you know, leading some of them, I believe, are good people. But there's too many people that have been compromised over time. You know, it's too easy to reach out and touch somebody. You know, it's going to take all of us to get out and, you know, do marches and talk to each other and work together and spread ideas. I agree. Bill, go ahead.
1:50:48
Yeah, I just wanted to say hello. I've heard of Gladio through Sally, but to be honest with you, I haven't dug into it. It seemed very interesting. So I had a few minutes I wanted to pop in and listen. I'd love to collaborate with you sometime to get this message out, maybe in a different forum. But yeah, I'll hit you up in DMs, but great discussion. Awesome. Thank you. That's definitely why we're here. Go ahead, Sally.
1:51:18
I was just going to elaborate on what Benjamin was saying about the fourth turning. I don't think, maybe you do realize this, but how that occurs is there's a lot of people, that elder generation that knows better. So like right now, most of the world works. What was that? Please slow down. Oh, am I speaking quickly? Yeah. Okay. For everyone.
1:51:46
Because we all value everything you have to say. So please slow down for people. Go ahead, Sally. Okay, my apologies. I do speak fast when I get excited. That is my weakness in life and why I avoided speaking in spaces. So I will continue to work on that. So anyway, during the fourth turning,
1:52:16
A lot of the World War II, or, okay, so I got lost by a train of thought. You got me off track. So when you think about the fourth turning and why I learned that it occurs is that older generation between 80 and 100 years old has passed away that has a knowledge and experience. And right now, a lot of the people that would be
1:52:42
Telling everybody, hey, this is a bad idea. We're killed off by COVID or the supposed COVID. So that was just something that I was wanting to point out. That's a great thing to point out because you're absolutely right. And interesting correlation between why they would want to get rid of the older people in a mass exodus. Go ahead, Benjamin.
1:53:10
Well, just to tap in what Sally was talking about like that, you can engineer cultures, you can engineer societies, you know, television is called television for a reason. That's partially the reason why, you know, like many families out there, you know, with their older generations, they want to put them in a home, you know, and it's like there's a now there's so much knowledge, you know, in.
1:53:36
older generations. Like I was lucky. I grew up with my grandmother around and she put a lot of knowledge onto me. Like she taught me a lot about the world and people, you know, and that's value because, you know, when we're younger and we have kids, you know, it's our first time jumping on the bike. You know, we're not going to get it right. You know, we need to be guided. That's why we guide you in the military. That's true. Yeah. That's a good point. Okay. Did we get everybody? I think we did.
1:54:10
We've been at this a couple of hours. So if I don't have anybody else. If I may. Sure. There are a couple of observations here that during this discussion today that just blew me away. We are now getting into a period in history where media began to cover a lot of things that was going on. Okay. And we just had in this discussion.
1:54:43
Someone that explained very eloquently what was going on, and it was ignored. That's bothersome to me. The other thing that you brought up was concerning Obama and political donations. Now, I know here in the U.S. we have tried to stop foreign donations into our election process, yet for some reason we can't seem to get it right. It just flabbergasts me.
1:55:21
And the other thing that you brought up was the weapons caches that were found during this period of time. I'm now beginning to wonder, out of all those weapon caches that have been found that have been classified as World War II weapons or this, that, and the other, were something totally different that they managed to keep away from the public. That's all I've got to say for today. Thank you so much.
1:55:50
What weapon caches that they designated as World War II are you talking about? I'm not saying they designated it. Well, there were weapon caches that were found throughout this time period after World War II that they say, and years later, that they say, okay, these are remnants from World War II, or these are this, that, and the other. I'm wondering how much of that may have been a cover-up for what was actually going on.
1:56:18
Well, that is exactly, that's an astute observation. That's exactly what they initially said for the ones that they found in the Netherlands, only to have to backtrack on that to recognize that the containers contained things significantly more recent than that. And that was, if I'm not mistaken, the original ones were found by kids, but when the...
1:56:46
investigative reporter that spent the next four years investigating it came across somebody else that had actually opened one of those and realized that there were much more updated weapons in them. So that's a definitely an astute observation there. Josh, go ahead. Yeah. One thing I was going to say is it may be helpful to, I don't know if this will help anyone, but for me personally, I have a lot of family. I came from a military family. And so
1:57:15
One of the things I noticed about four years ago was the rhetoric that my father normally would be speaking started to suddenly change, and he started to say things that I did not see growing up. So he and I would have correspondences, and it's been over about, at this point, yeah, about four years. And one thing I noticed was that I couldn't send information because, like you were saying, Colonel, as a Catholic,
1:57:44
You know, it's very difficult for me to hear some of these things. Some of my best memories as a child, you know, were in these things. So I think what we grapple with with this information is the reality of how it is that people get compromised. Right. And it's the fact that, you know, I think when we're putting on our, you know, the hat like, hey, we're going to do this. I think it's I remember my dad always said, you know, if.
1:58:08
If you're going to shoot, right, if you're going to have a weapon, right, you have to make the decision first or if you're willing to shoot somebody. Right. And if you're a conscientious objector, right, you can't really be owning a weapon, in my opinion. So I think what I'm trying to say is that when we're in the when we're trying to communicate this information to people, I found what's more effective over the three years. I just ran an experiment with my own families, just sending information. What really resonated was when you started with the with the documents that colonels.
1:58:36
talking about like so starting with that stuff but not so much into when you go darker into into the part where they where you start to see the ideology right that these people actually do truly hate humanity and that they do they do not want um they don't want us to to to flourish they want to control us so when that side of it is understood i've noticed that that took you are retarded stop get rid of that guy
1:59:06
apologize guys i'll stop speaking but it it's send information i think uh and step up the information instead of it just being hey this is a blanket because i've seen that most people will reject it right off uh when you when you send them the information firsthand they reject it as versus a conversation and then bringing it in does that make sense it's it has to be yeah it makes perfect sense and you're absolutely right which is why i'm so
1:59:34
meticulous about giving you guys the names and Bridget and Liza post all these links because what I think is key is exactly what you just said. If you send them one link, hey, did you guys see this? Is this weird? This happened like 40 years ago. I don't remember ever hearing this. And then, you know, a few days later, you send them another one. Oh my gosh, remember that link I sent you? Look what else I found.
2:00:01
And you start the discovery with them incrementally. They will form their own opinions. Because at some point, after you get 20 articles that all illustrate that a particular, and I'm not even talking about the Vatican Church. I'm talking about just anything. Start with the CIA. Oh my gosh, the CIA is totally corrupt. And then you go, did you know the CIA had a Vatican desk? Isn't that weird? What were they doing in the Vatican? I'm going to dig on that.
2:00:31
And then you go, oh my gosh, look, I found this. And I'm not talking about, you have to, and I know this sounds totally condescending, but you have to spoon feed people that are not readers themselves and not students of history. And I'll just share an example that isn't even related to Gladio. When I retired, every person in my family and my entire neighborhood, I owned this house probably 15 years before I retired.
2:01:01
I grew up with all of the people in my neighborhood. I've known them all my life. So when I retired, I was shocked because, again, in the military, you don't associate with political parties. You don't talk about politics at all. So I was shocked to find out that all of my neighbors were Democrats. And this is 2008. We're going into the 2008 election. And so I just thought that was weird.
2:01:27
Because they're all like my neighbor across the street goes to church three times a week. And I'm like, gosh, does she not even recognize how that's disconnected from each other? But, you know, I didn't go, hey, you're stupid. They want to kill babies. You know, that's not the right approach to take. So I would go have coffee with them a couple of times a week and I would just ask them questions.
2:01:54
And I would ask them questions like, you know, hey, what do y'all think about abortion? And we'd have, you know, like a 30, 40 minute conversation. And then I would pick another one. What do you think about social programs or whatever? And so after like about nine months of doing this, I asked them one day, you know what? I just printed off the Democrat Party platform and I was looking at this. And after talking to you, I'm a little confused.
2:02:23
Why are y'all actually registered Democrats? Because nothing you've told me over the last year matches anything on this piece of paper. And I just shoved the piece of paper over to Ms. Charlotte and she looked at me and she's looking at that paper and she's like, I don't know. And OB used to drive a truck with my dad. They were both union truck drivers.
2:02:49
And, you know, O.B.'s like, oh, well, you know, we're Democrats because we've been Southern Democrats our whole life. And my mom and dad was and I'm like, OK. So I knew I had an in with Charlotte, not necessarily Mr. O.B. And so by another year go by, both of them were registered Republicans.
2:03:09
And you do have to take people in different approaches. My brother-in-law was the same way. Democrat, small business owner, had been a truck driver for 25 years at Publix, retired, opened a small business. And I asked him, why are you a Democrat? I just come out and ask him. Him and I graduated high school together. And he's like, well, because they take care of poor people. And I laughed in his face. I'm like, right. They take care of poor people with your money. They don't take care of poor people with their money.
2:03:38
They give less than one percent on average every year of their income. Republicans give over 10 percent on average of their income to poor people for private donations. And over the course of because, of course, I can be a little bit more abrasive with him. And I always did it in a joking manner, never in a condescending manner. And again, about a year later, he went and changed his voting to independent. And then he's now.
2:04:06
And I'm kind of torn about the whole GOP thing, but he is a registered Republican at this point. So, Josh, you're absolutely right. You have to do that incrementally and you have to take different approaches. If it's a peer, you can kind of jokingly, you know, if they have a sense of humor, if it's somebody that's much more older than you, they are very stuck in some dogma and you're going to have to take a completely different approach with them.
2:04:35
But my job, as I see it, and the mission we stood up for, is to give you the tools to fight the battle. And damn it, we're going to do it. Amen. Yeah, exactly. All right. So thank you all for being here. We'll be back tomorrow. Same time, same place.
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Claims made here
Sergio Mineto headed
Operation Gladio host_asserted
▶ 1:14:04
“attached to NATO command in Verona. Carrot worked in tandem with Operation Gladio commander Sergio Mineto and Carlo Diglio, the CIA mole that was within New Order. And I'm telling you, all of these or…”
Operation Gladio carried_out_attack
Golpe Borghese host_asserted
▶ 1:14:33
“embedded in them just to keep track of them. Preparations for the bombings were made in an isolated house near Treviso. And on December 7th, 1970, there was a Gladio unit launched the Golpe Borghese, …”
Golpe Borghese attempted_coup_against
Italy host_asserted
▶ 1:14:33
“embedded in them just to keep track of them. Preparations for the bombings were made in an isolated house near Treviso. And on December 7th, 1970, there was a Gladio unit launched the Golpe Borghese, …”
Julio Valerio Borghese headed
Golpe Borghese host_asserted
▶ 1:15:03
“It was named after Julio Valerio Borghese. And that's the guy I talked about yesterday. That's the Black Prince. The coup attempt involved hundreds of Gladio participants, including Jelly and Sedona, …”
Golpe Borghese targeted_for_regime_change
Giuseppe Saragat host_asserted
▶ 1:15:33
“forested areas. So all of your forested police, at least at some level, are very aware of this operation. The planners intended to kidnap the Italian president, Giuseppe Saragat, and to murder Angelo …”
Golpe Borghese ordered_assassination_of
Angelo Beccari host_asserted
▶ 1:15:33
“forested areas. So all of your forested police, at least at some level, are very aware of this operation. The planners intended to kidnap the Italian president, Giuseppe Saragat, and to murder Angelo …”
Julio Valerio Borghese recruited
Decima Mas host_asserted
▶ 1:15:59
“News arrived that Saragat's Christian Democrat government knew of the plan and stood ready to declare martial law. Borghese had been busy during the Cold War. He continued to recruit former members of…”
Stefano Delle Chiaie member_of
Decima Mas host_asserted
▶ 1:15:59
“News arrived that Saragat's Christian Democrat government knew of the plan and stood ready to declare martial law. Borghese had been busy during the Cold War. He continued to recruit former members of…”
Stefano Delle Chiaie member_of
Operation Gladio host_asserted
▶ 1:16:29
“And his name, his last name is D-E-L-L-E. And then a second word, C-H-I-A-I-E. And he is a central figure in Gladio throughout Europe. And they helped establish another organization that was called Fr…”
Stefano Delle Chiaie founded
Front Nationale host_asserted
▶ 1:16:29
“And his name, his last name is D-E-L-L-E. And then a second word, C-H-I-A-I-E. And he is a central figure in Gladio throughout Europe. And they helped establish another organization that was called Fr…”
James Jesus Angleton supplied_arms_to
Golpe Borghese host_asserted
▶ 1:17:00
“He set up his military headquarters in Rome at a shipyard that was owned by Remo Orlandini, one of the country's leading industrialists, i.e. the International Syndicate. And according to newspapers, …”
René Monzat exposed
Golpe Borghese documented
▶ 1:17:57
“French investigative journalist René Monzat, M-O-N-Z-A-T, uncovered evidence that the military attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Rome was intricately involved in the plot. Monzat also discovered that Pre…”
Richard Nixon spied_on
Golpe Borghese documented
▶ 1:17:57
“French investigative journalist René Monzat, M-O-N-Z-A-T, uncovered evidence that the military attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Rome was intricately involved in the plot. Monzat also discovered that Pre…”
Vincenzo Vinciguerra member_of
Ordine Nuovo documented
▶ 1:22:10
“They were all consolidated in Sardinia as they collected them, and then he was going to fly them out of Sardinia to a designated location, probably for another country to use, whatever. But the people…”
Vincenzo Vinciguerra carried_out_attack
Patino documented
▶ 1:22:40
“a leader of the new order, was taken into custody and questioned about the Patrionio incident. After confessing in court that he had planted the car bomb, this is what he said, quote, with the massacr…”
Operation Gladio front_for
NATO book_quoted
▶ 1:23:38
“arms and explosives and men trained to use them. This super organization, which lacking a Soviet military invasion, which might not happen, took up the task on NATO's behalf of preventing a slip to th…”
Carmine Pecorelli exposed
Aldo Moro host_asserted
▶ 1:26:44
“Mino Piccarelli, drew a connection between the death of Morrow and Gladio. Morrow's body, he noted, had been left in the trunk of a car parked next to an ancient Roman amphitheater where runaway slave…”
Steve Pieczenik spied_on
Aldo Moro host_asserted
▶ 1:27:42
“We will talk about Steve Pazinik, and let me spell his last name, P-I-E-C-Z-E-N-I-K, who participated for three weeks in the Interior Ministry's expert meetings, then returned to America before Morrow…”
Jim Jones trained
Operation Gladio host_asserted
▶ 1:38:39
“And he's all part of that. So anyway, that's what I had to say. Thank you. Yeah. And thanks for adding that, because there is definitely a corollary, just as we learned with Jim Jones, who's out in Sa…”
Operation Gladio covered_up
World War II host_asserted
▶ 1:55:50
“What weapon caches that they designated as World War II are you talking about? I'm not saying they designated it. Well, there were weapon caches that were found throughout this time period after World…”
Operation Gladio covered_up
Netherlands host_asserted
▶ 1:56:18
“Well, that is exactly, that's an astute observation. That's exactly what they initially said for the ones that they found in the Netherlands, only to have to backtrack on that to recognize that the co…”