Operation Gladio-Indonesia Part 6

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0:00 Yay, I'm on my phone. Oh, you got your phone working again? Can you hear me? Hello? Bridget, can you hear me? Let's see. Maybe your phone's working. Okay, try it now. Okay, can you hear me now? Yes, I can. It just came up about two minutes ago. Oh, good. Perfect timing. All right.

0:56 I did want to share something with you real quick. Let's see. Beth is a friend of Brian Cates that I met down here when I first hosted a meet and greet for Brian when he came down. Gosh, it's been a long time. A few years ago.

1:29 And she's the one that I was talking about on Alpha the other night that went to the Freedom Fest in Kentucky and was talking to someone. And they just happened to mention they were talking about stuff that they were listening to on podcasts and stuff. And Beth said, oh, that sounds like Operation Gladio. And they were like, oh, my gosh.

1:56 And she's like, yeah, Colonel Roxanne Taylor, I know her. And so she just texted me a thank you for talking about it. Well, of course I'm going to talk about it, Beth. That's like coolest thing ever. It is awesome. I mean, it just goes to show you, you know, God has a way of orchestrating things to give you that shot in the shoulder. You know, it's like.

2:25 The encouragement and just the, your word is getting out, you know, that the words that you're saying are traveling. People are hearing it. The truth is spreading. Light is coming. You know, it's just awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So we are also, I had mentioned last night that we're going to be on a new podcast tonight. As soon as I start talking, my dog goes crazy.

2:56 You need to go lay down. Go lay down. I don't want you over here. It's called conservative. My phone. Oh, my gosh. I start to look at my phone, and he just puts his paw right on it and changes the whole date. It's called conservative patriot network. You should have never known this. He's so funny. I'm sorry.

3:34 I have a crate. It's all wood, like orange box, the old-fashioned real wood ones. And I put it on my daybed out in my cottage to do the podcast from. And he was laying on the other side of it, sound asleep. As soon as I start talking, he gets up and he's looking over. I'm sorry. He's looking over the crate.

4:04 Like he's standing with his front paws on it, looking right in my eye. He's like, all right, I'm here. I'm listening to you. I don't want you. Go lay down. You crazy. You're a number one fan, you know? Yes, he is. Go lay down. And then the box, he thinks I'm playing with him. I'm playing. Where's my water bottle? No, I don't want you over here. All right. That's just crazy. All right.

4:35 So tonight at 8 o'clock, Conservative Patriot Network. And tomorrow, we are going to be at a Badlands fan club here in my hometown in Central Florida. And I know CanCon is going to be coming to it for the first time.

5:05 I don't know if Stormy Patriot Joe's coming or Red Pill 78. I know they live in this general area, but I know Brian's going to be there. Kate. So that should be lots of fun. Anyway, so looking forward to that. And we're going to go ahead. Oh, you're just going to come sit next to me now? Okay. Yeah, well.

5:40 He said, no, quit licking. Quit. No, I don't want your floppers. All right. So we are going to be talking about the rebellion that happens as a result of the CIA's meddling in Indonesia. And quit. We're going to be.

6:14 Doing a little bit, I'm going to try to get through this entire section. I've taken some notes, but there are some things that we actually have to talk about in order for it to all make sense. So let's see. There is.

6:46 the revolutionary government of the Republic of Indonesia. It's referred to as the PRRI. It was labeled as a quote unquote anti-communist movement. And of course, all of us immediately goes, oh, it's Gladio, right? Because we know what those terms now mean. It was largely...

7:17 formed and created as a result of CIA-Gladio involvement, as one might imagine. And it was done specifically, we are told, to neutralize the quote-unquote Communist Party. But we've already established that the quote-unquote Communist Party was

7:46 at best 10% communist and 90% nationalist, which is a reoccurring theme, peasants that wanted land reform to be able to farm, which also is a reoccurring theme. So it began when Vice President Hatta, H-A-T-T-A,

8:18 And the Soccarno was president. And there was some issues that came up about the taxing that we talked about yesterday. Like the outer islands, which is what they were called, like Sumatra, was supplying 70% of the export revenue.

8:46 And only 30% was coming back from the main government in Jakarta. And so there was some hard feelings about that. And Hata, who happened to be from the resource-rich Sumatra, basically ends up resigning in a huff over differences of opinion. And that resignation was used by Alan Dulles and the CIA.

9:13 to basically begin driving a wedge. Now, we know we've covered extensively why this wedge is being created, because of the secret stash of gold and the secret stash of oil that Alan Dulles knows about and a few other select people. But the leadership, either in the U.S. or Indonesia, has no clue that that's what all of this is about. So, Alan Dulles also knows that his brother,

9:43 who is Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, is an anti-communist phobia guy in that everything that he says and does is primarily focused on anti-communism. Like, that's kind of his, what would you call it?

10:12 How you can manipulate him. All you have to do is if you want him to do something, you just say that the communists are coming and immediately you have his attention. Quit. So, of course, Alan Dulles knows this because it's his brother and he plays that to the maximum extent possible in this scenario. Also, it was part of this.

10:42 Sorry about that on Rumble. He's going crazy. So my camera's moving. And I might have accidentally put a picture of it up in the hill above us. Because it's so cute. Oh, you stinker. Can you please bring Trump Frog up as co-host as well? Okay. Thank you. Let's see. Sorry for the interruption. All right. There we go. Okay. So.

11:17 We also have, we talked about UN Secretary Doc Hammersalt, who is going to get involved in this because he sees what's going on in the fact that the U.S. is making allegations of this major communist party and this threat.

11:42 When in fact, the PKI, which is the quote unquote communist party, was significantly smaller than the other major political parties. As a matter of fact, size-wise, it was the fourth largest political party with the top three making up the majority of the population. So it was never actually a threat. And of course, we know that the play between China and the Soviet Union.

12:12 Because this is over in Asia, both of them trying to influence it. So it really had no threat at all to what was going on. Get off of that. So those are all kind of the underlying issues as we go into this conversation.

12:43 Alan Dulles is basically trying to get the Dutch out of the Netherlands, New Guinea, which is where the oil and gold is. At the same time, he's trying to walk a balance line in not getting rid of Sukarno before he can consolidate the military, which he is then going to use the consolidated military to control all of Indonesia, because he has to make it strong enough to be able to do that.

13:12 and overthrow Sukarno. So he has a time sequence of things that have to happen. And he doesn't want anybody rocking the boat. He has this significantly planned out and who he was able, who he was willing to sacrifice in the accomplishment of this is it'll just knock your socks off. All right. So Sukarno kind of,

13:44 talked about a thing called a guided democracy, which is more what you would do, oh my gosh, in order to manage the type of archipelago and arrangement that you have in Indonesia because of the large distance and everything being massive amounts of island.

14:23 Stop it. So Sicarno's really walking a tightrope, which is what it boils down to. And the army issue becomes a big deal between Sicarno and Hatta before he resigned. You have a general by the name of Nasution, N-A-S-U-T-I-O-N, and a colonel by the name of...

14:56 Lubis, L-U-B-I-S. Both of these senior military officers are from Sumatra as well. And there is this event coming up called the Outer Islands Rebellion. That's what we're going to talk about. These two senior officers end up on the opposite sides in this rebellion. So they're pivotal to what we're talking about. And also...

15:26 interesting, is they're actually related. They're cousins. Lubas is an intel officer where Nasushin is actually like a line army commander. So he has much more, plus his rank, he's a general, he has much more prestige when it comes to the actual fighting.

15:56 At this point, we're in the mid 1950s, later 1950s. There is a lot of fracture in the army because basically it's more like a National Guard system where each island kind of had its own apparatus for authority and keeping people in line. Very decentralized.

16:25 Alan Dulles obviously can't have that because you can't have any area if you're going to coup and control the government being able to mess up your planes. Right. So he wants a strong centralized government. So he's going to be working behind the scenes with these two people. Basically.

16:55 creating havoc in order to justify or create the need, if you will, of this strong centralized government. Into this whole mix walks Frank Wisner. Now, we remember Frank Wisner from a whole bunch of other Gladio operations. He's CIA. He was, during World War II, the guy that was over in the State Department that was basically

17:23 running the covert operations for the State Department prior to the CIA. And then when the CIA was set up, they took that entire office out to include Frank Wisner and plopped the covert operations down in the CIA. And so this is the guy for the last 10 years who's been running covert operations for the CIA. He had been in Singapore just prior to

17:51 Alan Dulles tapping him to be in charge of this one. He also had been in charge of a rebellion that had happened in Hungary. Well, the rebellion in Hungary was a failure. Basically, everybody that was in theater got killed. That was part of the attempted coup in Hungary.

18:20 Only Alan Dulles, and we'll get to that in a few minutes, could turn that failure into a tool. If it wasn't on purpose failure, it will be used as such in order to basically orchestrate what's going to happen in Indonesia. I would be hesitant to say that they purposely.

18:48 set Frank Wisner up, but it is exactly what Alan Dulles would do. So the author went about trying to find out, Professor Polgrain, how the Outer Islands Rebellion, which is what it's called, in 1958, had led not to greater regional autonomy, but exactly the opposite.

19:16 It had resulted in a very strong centralized military command. For him, that seemed a little odd until he got digging around and found out that that's exactly the. No, no, no, no. That was that was exactly for Dallas. Hold on just a second. Stop it. You have been fine this whole time. Come here. Hush, hush. So.

19:57 His research led him to actually go to Indonesia. And I probably have mentioned to you, he, ironically enough, ends up renting the house next to the house in Indonesia that President Obama grew up in, if that's not totally weird. So while he was over there, he's...

20:27 to both of the senior military people that had been used by the CIA. Lubas, the colonel, said, quote, the Americans tricked us, unquote. The author said he didn't realize when conducting the interviews in 1983 with both Lubas and Nasution that 25 years earlier,

20:58 a man by the name of Guy Pauker, P-A-U-K-E-R, who was a Rand Corporation researcher and CIA advisor and close friend of Allen Dulles, had actually been in Indonesia doing a quote-unquote study or survey.

21:25 That's another pattern that we've noticed happens all the time in these places. And Palker explained to the author that his personal correspondence that he had spoken to both of these senior military leaders back then. And he was actually over there the year before the rebellion. So he was the intel source posing.

21:55 as a college professor from Berkeley doing a research project to scope out the military intelligence in Indonesia for Alan Dulles to create the plan we're going to talk about today. And this author finds out all of this by doing these interviews. So his professional approach seemed to be,

22:28 let's see, talking about Parker, that the Indonesian army was the only force capable of standing against controlling or neutralizing the capacity of the PKI. This is what he's telling Alan Dulles as a result of his quote unquote survey, which is exactly what Alan Dulles wanted somebody to write down because that was his plan.

22:58 So he sends this guy over there basically on a vacation to write down as a quote-unquote intel report exactly what he wants to have written down so he can justify the plan he already has created. Which, of course, is going to ultimately lead to a regime change of Sukarno. Because the PKI and anybody that would have visited there

23:27 that would be honest, would tell you the PKI was never a threat to anyone in any shape or form, especially having to do with anything communistic at all. Because again, only 10% of the fourth largest political party in Indonesia could even loosely

23:55 be categorized as communist. And that's given them the benefit of the doubt. So it's just crazy. And you're going to hear how often the threat of they're about ready to be overrun by communism comes up in telling this story. So at the time, Dulles was at the height of his career and the level of duplicity gives insight into his subsequent contact with Kennedy and

24:26 His adamant insistence, because you're going to see he goes to great lengths to set this whole thing up, and Kennedy's visit to Indonesia would have upset everything. He devised a covert operation in Indonesia that seemed to fail, but the very success depended on the perception that it had failed, which is why he tasked...

24:57 Frank Wisner to be in charge of it because he had just failed in Hungary. And Dulles is going to arrange a sleight of hands that is going to end up with an operational-looking failure, which he's betting will lead to a centralized army developing, which it does.

25:24 And then he's going to use that centralized army and he has somebody already in mind to lead it that is compromised to overthrow the government. That's how outrageous these operations are that have been conducted in our name. Okay.

25:50 So before the rebellion flared up and failed in February 1958, the army commanders in the outer islands were displaying a low-level rebelliousness based on those economic grievances we talked about earlier. Lubas had been one of the rebel military links with outside intelligence sources, principally the CIA, to provide arms to the rebellion. The other main CIA link

26:18 had been the Jakarta-based minister of finance. And this guy's got like 20 consonants in his name. Dr. Sumitro Dejojadadi Kusomo. I don't know. We're going to call him Dr. Sumitro. And he joined the rebels in 1957.

26:46 who were actually at the time based in Singapore. They weren't even, they were being trained as a Gladio unit in Singapore. They weren't even in Indonesia. And a close associate of the guy that was there from Rand, Guy Parker, Sumitro, achieved even greater fame in 1965 for his economic expertise that ended up being called the Berkeley Mafia.

27:17 So this doctor helping train the rebels in Singapore is a friend of the CIA agent that had been there doing the quote unquote survey posing as a research Berkeley professor. I hope you're tracking because it gets even crazier. Alan Dulles needed to convince the U.S. government to provide support and he did.

27:45 by supplying small arms via a delivery service. This included using U.S. submarines and U.S. air support to include the 7th Fleet, Task Force 75, which was a formidable group of warships out of the 7th Fleet. Dulles also arranged for two B-26 bombers and a crew

28:13 to be flown from London, piloted by Polish pilots from World War II. The two planes that he supposedly was delivering to Indonesia blew up midair. It also is suspected that that was on purpose because Alan Dulles did not, he wanted to give the appearance that he was helping these rebels via the CIA.

28:44 But he didn't want to create a rebel force that was too hard for the army to control once his guy gets installed as being in charge of the army. So he has to minimize the capability while at the same time giving them enough capability to carry out the tasks that he's assigned to them. So yeah, crazy shit. These weapons were dropped.

29:14 And this led to a strong call from the Capitol and from the government of creating that large centralized army command because now you had pockets of quote-unquote rebels with armament.

29:42 That's exactly what Alan Dulles was trying to achieve. So martial law gets instated because now he's armed a whole bunch of violent pockets of Gladio-trained assassins, and they declare martial law, start creating a centralized military to handle the threat that Alan Dulles just created. Meanwhile, because of the unrest,

30:13 The 1959 elections were canceled. And all of this is being used by Alan Dulles to paint Soccarno as a crazy person and a dictator because they're canceling elections. He must be a communist. And the U.S. government ends up capturing the largest.

30:44 weapons caches with some of the people that they sent in to quote unquote help. And what's interesting about that is they gave it to them. So now the CIA people there working for Allen Dulles has garnered an allegiance of these breakaway militants in supplying them.

31:12 But then the U.S. government turns around and comes in and secures them using the information through the actual army working for Sukarno. So, again, they don't want the rebels they're creating to have more armament than necessary, but they want to give them armament in order to make them think that the CIA is on their side. That's just crazy.

31:42 It's through all of this crap that is going on that we get to the part where through the failure, the CIA and Alan Dulles ends up with a success. And so these rebel revolutionary forces, the PRRI, was described initially as a CIA failure.

32:08 You have Richard Nixon, who is basically at the time of the rebellion, the vice president. And you have Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles all in these positions. John Foster Dulles is the secretary of state. Alan Dulles is the CIA director.

32:39 They're looking at a they're trying to provoke a military response from Jakarta in order to unite the Indonesia army. So the media analysis of the goal of the Outer Islands Rebellion is still portrayed as secession, like they wanted to break away.

33:07 As covert U.S. support for the quote unquote rebels trying to break away that wish to succeed from the central government in Jakarta, Dulles was able to deceive. Or was capable of succeeding. My husband just came in to say goodbye. Now the dog's going to go crazy again. In the opinion of Howard Jones.

33:34 Reviewing the years when he was the U.S. ambassador in Jakarta, which was 58 to 65, to the outside world, the conflict was pictured as anti-communist rebels against a pro-communist government in Jakarta. In fact, it was much more complex, and it actually ended up being two forms of anti-communists on both sides.

34:03 It was the central government, which Sukarno was anti-communist. He was not a communist. And the anti-communist that the CIA created. Hey, hey, hey, hey. The problem was that in the U.S., the CIA and their media allies were portraying the government as being.

34:33 pro-communist, and that these breakaway islands like Sumatra were anti-communist and didn't want to be affiliated with a quote-unquote pro-communist central government. And this is from the ambassador that had just left from Sukarno, that knew Sukarno, he knew all of the players, and he's even calling out the CIA.

35:02 as being the responsible. So two reasons why Alan Dulles wanted to achieve a centralized army was number one, Netherlands, New Guinea, because if the Dutch doesn't leave peacefully and he can't figure out a way to make them leave, he needs the army to go to war with the Dutch to get them out of there so they can steal their resources. That's number one. And number two,

35:30 was at some point they're going to coup Sukarno and they're going to need a strong centralized government in order to do that. So both of those things have to happen. We have to get rid of the Dutch out of the Netherlands, New Guinea, and we have to get rid of Sukarno. And that's what Alan Dulles is up to. The Indonesian army was seen as the best way to keep political power.

35:59 And to keep all of the riches of the Indonesia archipelago in the hands of the CIA and out of the hands of anybody else to include the Dutch. Because we've already ensured that the Dutch is out of Indonesia. Now we have to get them out of the Netherlands, New Guinea as well. While finding somebody we can stick into the presidency.

36:27 That is on our payroll so we can steal all of their resources. So top secret funds begin to flow in Indonesia. And they begin with the largest intelligence agency in Indonesia, which at the time was an organization called BPI. It was under.

36:58 the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the CIA is spending millions of dollars in covert funding, drug money, in order to begin this campaign of agitating the Indonesian government to take back or to claim sovereignty over the Netherlands, New Guinea, and to...

37:29 start creating a narrative that Sukarno is too soft on communism. So that's kind of the intel part of all of this. In the process of identifying the person who should take responsibility for... Well, let me read you what this... This is a little excerpt of...

37:57 Subversion of Foreign Policy, written by Audrey and George Kahnan, K-A-H-I-N. It was in a book called Subversion as Foreign Policy. Quote, it should be evident that an abysmal failure this essential covert operation was and why the American government has been so reluctant to release most important documents that bear on it.

38:26 Presumably, the CIA and other involved components of the U.S. government have concluded that they would lose face and diminish public support for covert activities if Americans were to become aware of the egregious debacle in Indonesia. And so the American citizens, the CIA, still treat this episode 37 years later as a quote-unquote covert operation as if it's happening today because they refuse to release any of the documents.

38:56 So, again, it was very important to Alan Dulles that it be classified as a failure for his maniacal way of looking at things. So, Dr. Polgrain says this, in the process of identifying the person who should take responsibility for the failure, the Colbens, meaning the people that wrote that other book, quote, both the available document.

39:26 document evidence and the consensus among the State Department and CIA members interviewed indicate that among the top leaders of the Eisenhower administration, John Foster Dulles was the most aggressive, unquote. However, in this instance, labeling someone as most aggressive should not imply culpability for a CIA failure, nor should John Foster Dulles be apportioned much of the blame simply because he outranked.

39:53 his brother as the CIA director. The revolution, the Outer Islands Revolution, this operation, was the work of Allen Dulles, and the culpability of it entirely rests with him. The way that Allen Dulles was utilizing John Foster's anti-communist tendencies to manipulate the information rests solely with Allen Dulles.

40:22 Dulles knew in 1956 that his brother had already been diagnosed with cancer and used that to his advantage. In 1956, CIA operations in Hungary under the operational control of Dulles' deputy, Frank Wisner,

40:40 had provided lessons for Allen, and he reapplied them to this Indonesia operation. When Soviet tanks in Hungary squashed the uprising, the entire CIA operation was sacrificed on John Foster's instructions because of his strategy with the Suez crisis took priority, so he didn't want to push back too hard in Hungary and monopolize resources there unnecessarily.

41:08 Frank Wisner, because he was in charge of the Hungary operation, shouldered 100% of the responsibility, but was known to have suffered basically a minor mental and emotional trauma as a result of the failure. This was included in Alan Dulles' calculation when he sought Wisner's involvement in this secondary revolution in Indonesia. And Frank Wisner's persona as being a failure

41:36 was utilized by Alan Dulles. In other words, what John Foster Dulles did reluctantly in 1956 caused the CIA operation ran by Wisner to be a failure. Alan Dulles did on purpose in 1958. After the CIA's failure with the Indonesia revolution, Wisner suffered a complete nervous breakdown. He was removed from office by Dulles.

42:04 And he later committed suicide. And they didn't give a crap. He was just another body spent on the sidelines of this war that Alan Dulles was waging on behalf of his collective benefactors in the international syndicate. Bridget, I tried to bring you back up. You got it? Okay.

42:41 While his death was never been described as the only American fatality in the Indonesian revolution, it should be, according to the author. So that is the extent to which the CIA will offer up one of its own in order to meet the operational requirements.

43:13 There are people, when they listen to these stories or these historical facts, because they're not stories, when the Church Commission was investigating the CIA in one of the only worthwhile efforts to rein in their control, you may recall when we were talking about Greece, there was a CIA agent that was killed.

43:42 in the line of duty in Greece, right at the height of the church commission. And the CIA used that death, turned it around, and said the only reason the guy was gunned down was because too much was being revealed by Congress's investigation into assassinations by...

44:06 And the heart attack gun and all that other stuff stuff. And it was making people mad at the CIA. And so they were going to start killing CIA agents. And once that assassination, which I believe to be in the house, occurred, the church commission basically fizzled out and nothing ever happened as a result of that. So they have been known to sacrifice their own. Frank Wisner.

44:36 evidently was one of those as well. Now, I have read already multiple different accounts of Frank Wisner and his mental breakdown and subsequent suicide. I have never had anyone put it together in the way that Dr. Polgreen just did. So, huge kudos to him. He has done...

45:02 an amazing job. I mean, obviously years and years and years of research to come up with these books and the assessment of how all of these different events play into each other. It's just, it's incredible. So anyway, he goes on to call Dulles an evil genius.

45:30 It says that as a result of this revolution, the operation came with, to large extent, was determined by John Foster Dulles' strong emphasis on anti-communists and the intelligence that was fed to him by Alan Dulles. So basically, Alan Dulles is manipulating his brother by feeding him intel to lead him to decisions that he wants him to make.

46:02 Allen succeeded in firing up John Foster Dulles on a personal crusade against Sukarno by basically painting him as a communist, which they did to Allende and all of these other people, Lumumba. It's a repeat occurrence. And to try to get as best it could with the government it had before it overthrows it, a centralized army in order to put down, quote unquote, rebellions in the future.

46:31 But obviously you don't need that. You just need to get rid of your damn CIA agents that are in your country. Then in 1963, they orchestrate a Malaysian confrontation with Indonesia, which is steadily moving Sukarno and Indonesia through Alan Dulles' anticipated regime change. Because they keep...

47:04 putting crises in front of Sukarno that makes him appear with twisted intel more and more militant, which then they paint as more and more communist. So the U.S. ambassador in Jakarta, Allison, in contrast to his predecessor three years in Jakarta, lasted only 11 months. Now, Alan Dulles basically gets this ambassador.

47:36 fired. And this ambassador is sending real information to the State Department about what's really going on. He is not part of the Allen Dulles CIA mafia, which is why he didn't last but 11 months. And basically, he's surrounded with CIA assets in the State Department.

48:05 And there's a couple of quotes in here that I wanted to call out. First, it says Cummings, who is one of Dulles' in-country contacts, three of Cummings' own agents were sent to Indonesia to report independently of the U.S. embassy and their reports.

48:36 consequently reflected the CIA's perspective. So when you can't get what you want from the embassy, you just send your own people in and you start reporting back through those people so that you can collect the quote-unquote intel that you want. So basically, you can see the parallels between Alan Dulles, who sends his agents out to generate the intel to accomplish whatever it is he wants to. He doesn't actually

49:05 report accurate intel, he reports intel that feeds into his narrative. And that's exactly the way MacArthur operated during and after World War II with Willoughby, his chief of intel. You just send them out, you tell them what you want them to say, and then they come back mysteriously with these reports that says exactly what you told them you wanted them to say. That's the way Alan Dulles works.

49:36 I don't know how much I buy of the fact that John Foster Dulles was blinded by his anti-communist leanings into allowing himself to be manipulated by Alan Dulles. Honestly, I don't buy that at all. Because if you look at John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles' history, both of them...

50:05 were involved in Sullivan and Cromwell. Both of them represented repeatedly the international syndicate's, what do you call it, resources. And there may have been a mantra of this anti-communist because of entities like the World Anti-Communist League. It's what they decided they were going to use as kind of the,

50:40 standardized mantra, if you will, of selling all of this bullshit. But believe me, I believe Alan Dulles is capable of it. But I don't think that you can absolve John Foster Dulles as being ignorant of and being manipulated by Alan Dulles. I just don't buy it.

51:05 Because it was John Oster Dulles that being seven years older than Alan Dulles that followed his grandfather, who was secretary of state, all over the world in meetings. He basically bought into this entire narrative himself. So I'm very reluctant to go along with the author's impression of John having been duped by his younger brother.

51:35 But that really is the only thing that I would say that I have a problem with in all of this. So let me do this one last. Well, there's a couple of points here. Thank you. That I want to make. Why did John Foster Dulles want Cummings as his private Indonesia consultant when his own brother, Alan, was readily available?

52:06 I think that was to create a plausible deniability between the link of Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles. They knew Cummings was going to be the reliable go-between between the two of them, and it gave them kind of a plausible deniability. Here's a quote from the other author that wrote a book that's very similar to this one. The core working group of this committee included Admiral...

52:34 Arleigh Burke, who was the chief of naval operations, Howard Jones, the deputy assistant secretary of state for Far East, the deputy assistant secretary of defense, Carl Herr, which they spell it H-E-R-R. It's actually spelled H-A-R-R. And he's from the secretary of defense and a Colonel Joseph Harrison who sat on the joint chiefs of staff strategic planning group.

53:05 Carr's actual name, you're never going to believe this, Carl Gottlieb Carr. Yeah, German descent. He's also a Rhodes Scholar, Intel, Yale Law School. Oh, yeah, he worked with both John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles at Sullivan and Cromwell as well.

53:34 He also corresponded routinely with the Rockefellers and Alan Dulles. He was a close associate of Admiral Arleigh Burke. And these are the people that are supposedly sitting on committees that are, quote unquote, independent, offering advice. And you find out when you look down deep, they're not independent at all.

54:07 Another guy that was on this committee that was quote unquote independent was Alfred Omar, which I recognized his name immediately because he was part of the OSS. He was in Navy intelligence and he actually worked in the CIA initially as well. So all of these people are coming up with this case that Sukarno is a communist and that we have to do everything that we can in order to ensure.

54:36 That he is taken care of. So what do you think happens next? Well, if they have all of this unrest, get off of that. If they have all of this unrest, they need military supplies, right? Well, don't forget, Dutch is still in the Netherlands, New Guinea. The U.S. State Department and Eisenhower prior to Kennedy.

55:05 has decided that they have to be neutral. They're not neutral about anything, but the official policy is they're neutral. And as neutral, they can't sell any weapons to Indonesia. Do you see this pattern again? So they created unrest in Indonesia by creating revolutions. They've got...

55:37 pockets of terrorists on these outer islands doing all kinds of shit. So Zuccaro, in this creation of this centralized army, has to have weapons. Well, if you're not going to get weapons from the U.S. and you're not going to get weapons from NATO, who do you get weapons from? The Soviet Union. And then as soon as he goes to Bulgaria or Czechoslovakia or any of those countries and actually buys weapons, what happens? Oh, that's right. He's called a communist again.

56:07 This was all by design. Every step of the way, all by design. So Alan Dulles does his little magic and he gets the newly assigned ambassador fired. And there was a Marine who made a comment.

56:38 He had just recently gotten to Indonesia as a military attache. And he basically made the comment that the ambassador that got fired made the mistake of actually telling the truth. I don't see it right off the top, just looking through here. But it was quintessential to...

57:07 Um, how things happen like that. Um, let me just look at this. Hold on a second. Oh, here it is. Okay. A Lieutenant Colonel in the Marine Corps, um, who was a flyer said, um, he was told during his briefing in Washington before coming to Jakarta that he had been instructed that Ambassador Allison quote was only a second rate officer unquote.

57:40 And as a consequence, there might be some differences between the ambassador's reports and those prepared by the attache. But after six months in Jakarta, the colonel explained he could see that Allison was correct in assessing the Indonesian situation and the CIA was not. Also, I want to point out one other aspect of this. See if this sounds familiar.

58:12 In Jakarta, there was a whole bunch of political activity in the aftermath of this quote-unquote revolution. The UN had gotten involved and was looking at Indonesia's request for a hearing on the Netherlands-New Guinea dispute when it was revealed.

58:38 that there had been an attempted assassination on Sukarno. And then after this attempted assassination, Sukarno had nationalized most, if not all of the Dutch businesses inside of Indonesia, the part that they already had. So they wanted them out of everything because Sukarno was absolutely convinced that this assassination was a NATO arranged assassination.

59:09 Nobody has publicly revealed whether or not a CIA asset was used to conduct this assassination. However, there was a group that had used grenade killings in a schoolyard, and it is highly likely Zakarna's would-be assassin was from this radical Islamic group.

59:36 that the CIA had been funding for years to destabilize Jakarta. And this was two months leading up to the revolutions. So you can see the plan. They were going to go ahead and try to knock off Sukarno as the revolution's about ready to kick off. Then they would use their stooge to control the quote-unquote revolution.

1:00:04 In order to give him legitimacy. With Sukarno's already out of the way. He'll set up the strong army. And then boom. Alan Dulles goes off to steal all of the resources. Unfortunately at the time. The assassination attempt didn't work. So they have to deal with Sukarno later. Which they do. And basically. That kind of.

1:00:32 Without going into a lot of the details, I mean, we've covered enough of these coups to not have to get into the nitty gritty. I wanted to do the lead up because it points out their ability to sacrifice their own, which they did. It shows you the link that they will go to in order to pull off this, whatever it is they want, regime change, centralized government.

1:01:02 Um, they end up installing Suharto and of course Suharto goes on as did Pinochet and all of the rest of them and kills, you know, tens of thousands, um, if not millions, um, I mean, a ton of people die as a result of this. Um, and again, this is all happening at the same time that they're arranging for the assassination of Lumumba.

1:01:33 They just earlier, a few years earlier, overthrew Iran and Mosaddegh. So they're just on a tear. Anyway, that gets us through the major facts of Indonesia. So we can go ahead and open it up for anybody that.

1:02:09 Has any input, questions, whatever. Froggy in the house. Froggy in the house. I see that. And Alpha was for a bit, but he must have just popped out. Boy, I tell you what. All right. The corruption in the CIA just knows no depth. Now I've got a question for you, just because I haven't dug that deeply.

1:02:42 have children and were they also, as far as John Foster and Ellen, that were, because we always see these hereditary links of corruption, not necessarily that, you know what I mean? They keep it in the family. He had children. He was married to Martha Clover Dodd. He got married fairly early on, but he also had tons of affairs.

1:03:19 Did any of his children go into politics? Not that I have seen. The only one that I've ever heard in any of the articles that I've read is about his nephew ended up being a cardinal, was a Jesuit priest, and spent time at the Catholic University of America there in D.C.

1:03:49 Um, and go ahead. I was just gonna say that's weird. Yeah, he was John Foster's, um, son. Not really that weird because, um, John Foster's, um, I think it's his dad, um, was also, um, a priest. So, but he was in the Presbyterian, yeah, uh, Presbyterian. Um, now.

1:04:18 You can call John Foster and Alan Dulles agnostic. They did not practice. That's not true. John Foster did. He did take his Presbyterian religion seriously. Alan did not. I gotcha. I think Carrie has a question. Okay. Go ahead, Carrie.

1:04:53 So my data on the church committee is that it actually was effective, but they got to Frank Church somehow. But anyway, it's why we have the intelligence committee, which is like eight senators, which tells you everything, that it's just senators.

1:05:25 Colonel, what's it called when you can get data, get some special access? Anyway, they are overseers. That's what came out of the church committee. Okay, Carrie, I'm going to take issue with you right now. That's absolute bullshit. Marco Rubio is...

1:05:55 a prime member of that intel committee. What they did was put lipstick on a pig. They set up, quote unquote, oversight committees that hasn't done jack shit in holding anybody accountable in the CIA. Because after the church committee, when those two House and Senate subcommittees on intelligence was created, let me just go ahead and tell you that Biden.

1:06:23 was able to take classified information out of the CAT. And the only reason that the, not the CAT, the SCI facility, the only reason they even have that in Congress now is because of the stupid ass committee that was smoke and mirrors. So they created a holding place for classified information so people like Biden can steal it and walk out because the guy that was in charge of that.

1:06:53 Warner was a compromised sleeping with a reporter person. You cannot hold an intelligence entity that does covert actions like the CIA accountable by corrupt politicians. It's impossible. So I know what they say came out of the church committee, but the fact that the church committee, let's look this up real quick.

1:07:24 The fact that the church committee happened in, I want to get the exact date, in 1975, and you went through the entire 1980s of the Iran-Contra selling arms, BCCI, Castle Bank, Nugent Hand Bank, and money laundering through the Vatican Bank, and the CIA selling drugs, weapons, all of that shit, and not a

1:07:55 fucking person was held accountable? Don't tell me that the church committee was effective. They weren't effective in any way, shape or form. Sorry. Okay. Can I just continue though? There's one more aspect. So that was during Carter and they implemented this committee. I know it's shit. I'm fucking well aware. But then once Reagan got in, he signed EO12333.

1:08:25 That made the NSA. Anyway, that's and that was a direct result of the church committee. I mean, it was like a guillotine to the church committee. So anything that Reagan would have signed has absolutely zero to do with Congress. Reagan cannot sign an executive order that affects Congress. They're a co-equal branch of the government.

1:08:57 Congress has an oversight responsibility, and it is their responsibility to hold the executive branch accountable by running investigations and things like that. The Intelligence Committee setup was just another layer of compromised politicians of the fox guarding the hen house. It's just all bullshit. So anyway, all along, go ahead.

1:09:31 Okay. Relating to congressional oversight of CIA in this period, like 1975 to 1978, I mean, I kind of half agree with you, Colonel, and I kind of half agree with Carrie here. Why? Because the key historian, in my opinion, to read on this is this excellent historian at

1:10:03 California Davis. Her name is Catherine Olmstead. And I put her book over in the bubble or whatever, the bullet or whatever it is down below. Okay. Because she basically is looking at the church committee, the Pike committee, which is the equivalent in the house of representatives and also the house select committee on assassinations, which is also going on in like these 77, 78 years. Right.

1:10:32 So basically, this is where Operation Mockingbird is so, so important, because basically the point of her book is, look, the CIA solved this problem. And by the way, she agrees with you, Colonel, that, you know, the.

1:11:00 The death of that of the CIA agent in Greece was very useful for the CIA turning public opinion against the congressional oversight. She starts on her book by saying that the beginning of 1975, there was very massive public support that Congress had to clamp down on the CIA. But by the end of, you know, 78, it's like it's way lower than that. And basically, they are willing to sacrifice their own.

1:11:30 And no intelligence committee is going to change that. Right. Well, it ended up that way, but it's very important to see how the CIA did that. And that is primarily through Operation Mockingbird. She has them just go into the New York Times and the Washington Post and say, we got to get these chairmen, the chief counsel, especially of the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

1:11:59 And the Pike Committee, get rid of them. And the New York Times and the Washington Post are working hand in glove with CIA. I know that. Yeah, I'm not saying you don't know that. It doesn't negate the fact that.

1:12:18 There was nothing that came out of the church committee that changed a single thing. And it is not like Greece is the only example. We just had another example. They sacrificed Frank Wisner and used him to the point where he has a mental breakdown and commits suicide in order to affect a regime change. They will stop at nothing.

1:12:43 Right. And this makes that point exactly because it shows the CIA's use of Operation Mockingbird to just decimate these congressional investigations, right? They replaced the chief counsel and that was it. At the direct order, basically, of the New York Times telling the New York Times, I'm sorry, the CIA telling the New York Times or Washington Post to replace the chief counsel. So you can hardly think of a...

1:13:12 a more important example of Operation Mockingbird than this period. It's the one time when Congress is- Right, so to answer this question, did anything effective come out of the church committee? Well, I would have to say yes, and then it was shut down. What? Well- What came out of it that was- No, no, no, no. All-

1:13:38 All committees are shut down at some point. They end. They offer a report. They offered a report. What came out of it that significantly changed and held the CIA accountable? The point is that they were discovering a lot of information that was getting out into the newspapers because of this congressional investigation. And then before Congress could act on that and come up with substantive legislation, it was shut down. And by the way,

1:14:11 Okay, but hold on. You're missing the whole point. Hold on. No, no, no. Hold on. You're missing the point. You would have to shut down Congress in order for Congress not to pass laws. Congress was never shut down. A committee was. The information that that committee found was out in the open. Everybody knew it. Congress does not need the authority of a committee to pass a law.

1:14:37 Well, the information was getting out into the public because Congress was investigating. It got out. We all know it. It wasn't known at that time. The reason we know it now is because Congress was investigating. And then it was shut down. I'm asking you after they, yeah, but you're missing my point. You didn't shut down the knowledge. Church committee revealed.

1:15:08 corruption, assassinations, and all kinds of horrific shit being done all over the world in the name of us with appropriated funds out of the CIA. Right. That knowledge did not go away. Well, that's where we might disagree. Because how many Americans know about that these days? That's why your work is so important. I'm not talking about Americans. I'm talking about Congress.

1:15:35 Did they go in and do some black magic and erase all of the information from the congressional's minds that they just heard in congressional testimony? Did they wipe their memories? No. Congress still had all of the information. Hush. Just a second.

1:15:55 Congress still had all of the information to act on. They knew that they were appropriating money every year for the CIA to go out and whack foreign dignitaries, to have a heart attack gun in order to assassinate people.

1:16:12 Congress memories did not get wiped clean. The very next year, the CIA budget comes up for renewal, and they not only renewed it, they gave them more money. I don't disagree that Congress knew it, but they were intimidated from passing legislation to limit the freedom of the CIA. In particular, the assassination of Congressman Leo Ryan is critical.

1:16:42 So you just made my point. He was the most regulatory of all of the House of Representatives. Yeah, so you just made my point. The church committee did nothing. Yeah, you made my point. The church committee did nothing. Well, it got a lot of information out there, and it was the only time when Congress... To no effect at all. And it's very educational about what happened, right? To no effect at all. It's the best example of Operation Mockingbird, and we should be emphasizing that because Operation Mockingbird...

1:17:12 basically shut down the legislative branch. To no effect at all. If you do not have the backbone in Congress to take the information that is revealed in committees, and this is not just the church committee. The same thing happened with the Waco committee. Bridget and Cousinet and I watched hours of that congressional testimony.

1:17:43 There was not a damn thing done. They knew damn good and well that military resources was used against federal law. Not a fucking person was arrested. The church committee, they revealed laws were broken. Not a single person was arrested. So if you do not have accountability, we are watching theater.

1:18:08 Every one of these committees that Congress has had over the last 50 years is theater. The only time it's not theater is when somebody like Steve Bannon gets up there and they basically arrest him for not doing jack shit while we've got assassins running all over the world. It's theater. That's my only point. I want that changed.

1:18:36 I want Congress to have to have the backbone. And if they don't have the backbone, get your ass out of Congress. You don't get to sit up there and collect retirement on the taxpayer's dime for the rest of your fucking life because you're a wimpy ass idiot. And we just create another committee to have more hearings and do nothing. I couldn't agree with you more. And I think our difference here is just one of emphasis because.

1:19:05 Here we have a situation where information was getting out in the public. And as you're correct, as you're saying correctly, there was no result. Well, why? Because the CIA worked directly through our media to stop Congress. And that can't be swept under the rug. The CIA is running our media. How can anything ever change?

1:19:35 Because Congress cannot renew their budget. Congress is the one that in our Constitution was given the authority to hold the executive branch accountable. It wasn't the media. It wasn't anybody else. I don't give a shit who the CIA owns or who they control. We elect congressional members.

1:20:01 who have a constitutional responsibility to spend money and hold the executive branch accountable. No one else can do that. Only Congress. And if they're not going to do it, they should not be collecting a retirement. They should not be collecting a paycheck. And it's not the will of the people during their tenure. And that's what we have all decided that we're a republic in theory, according to the Constitution.

1:20:31 If I was ever to sit in a congressional seat and I knew that the media, if I'm listening to these people tell me that we have an executive agency that is going around the world murdering people.

1:20:49 I don't give a crap how many false stories gets fed to how many newspapers. If I'm watching in my very own eyes, somebody tell me I've got evidence presented, which they did, that these things were actually happening. All of that was disclosed in the church commission. So we know all of that happened. They even admitted it. I mean, they had the CIA director admitting most of that shit that they had done.

1:21:17 If I then do not have the wherewithal to pass a law or say, I'm done, I'm never voting again to give the CIA a penny. I'm going to write a law that holds them accountable. And if I show up dead, you'll know who killed me. That's the kind of people that you have to have in Congress. And until you have those kind of people in Congress, this bullshit continues. You allow Operation Mockingbird to change the channel and they will.

1:21:50 You still that does not give you an out as a congressman not to do the right thing. I don't care if they change the channel 50 times. I heard with my own eyes the CIA director say on the record that they were roaming around the world killing foreign leaders. I'm not saying that Mockingbird.

1:22:13 is not egregious. But that's even more reason why you hold the CIA accountable, not less. It's not a reason not to do your fucking job. Of course, I'm not making an excuse for Congress not doing their job. I'm just saying Mockingbird is CIA. This shows that how dominant the CIA is over our government. Which is why they need to be defunded. Absolutely. And Congress is the only one that can do it.

1:22:39 And they had the ability to do it as a result of the Pike Committee, the Church Commission, all of that stuff. And they failed to do it. And they failed to do it every year after that. And every year after that, we have found out more and more CIA egregious. We went, like I said, through the entire 80s. We know damn good and well they killed millions of people. They overthrew, by my count alone, 80 foreign governments.

1:23:04 And anybody sitting in Congress voting to spend one penny of taxpayer dollars on the CIA is a piece of shit as far as I'm concerned. They seem like they're involved with killing a sitting president. And they were involved with killing a sitting president. Bridget, go ahead and then Mike. Oh, I was just going to add everything that essentially you were going through and that it doesn't.

1:23:33 They make a lot of committees. And all of these committees, especially, we'll say in the last, now I'm showing my age, 40 years at least. Now, I'm going to say go all the way back to JFK assassination. The intent of these committees is not to expose the information. It's to control what information is being exposed. You are thinking of these two.

1:24:05 as being separate. And unfortunately, that is smoke and mirrors. It's just like the congressman who loves to sit up there and run his mouth about how this is wrong and this is wrong and this is wrong. But unless he is effective and actually does something, it is lip service. It is nothing more than a movie or the appearance of smoke.

1:24:34 There is no actual, there is never any arrest. They intentionally limit and control the narrative. You're thinking of the CIA as being the only one. How many leaks that just in your recent memory can you remember of leaks coming out of Congress into the media? You're thinking of these three as opposing forces when in actuality.

1:25:04 They are one continual machine that is turning out information. So in a psychological operations, that's called a struggle session. So they are up there to rub your face in the fact that there is nothing that you can do. No election, no change of guard, no anything.

1:25:32 And I agree with you that they control information, but they don't mind that information coming out in those settings. They absolutely don't mind it because there's not going to ever be anything done with it. And then they rub that demoralization in your face. And it makes you more detached. It makes you watch more football. It makes you get more disengaged. It makes you stop voting. It is the very definition.

1:26:00 in a psychological warfare scenario as a struggle session. Mike, go ahead. Good afternoon, guys. What's up, Colonel and Bridget? I just wanted to also add that, especially what Bridget just said, the investigations and the commissions and the committees, it's still part of the controlling of information, but primarily what I've identified is that they're...

1:26:29 quote-unquote controlling the information by using these investigations to just bury anything that gets related with it because like they they essentially just push out information like you said colonel that is already public knowledge so they take all this stuff that isn't public knowledge they don't mention it in the investigation they basically make the public feel like oh well we already knew that and then the most heinous shit they just bury along with all of it and then the the other thing that i wanted to add though that i kind of like wanted to push back on you colonel is like i don't think

1:26:58 I don't think Congress taking away funding for the CIA will be effective anymore. I think that that is just as much theater as everything else you guys have talked about. Because, I mean, just looking at the Indonesia situation and seeing how much funding they got out of that one location, let alone the 37 plus other countries you guys have covered, they don't need Congress's funding to be able to do anything. I think that it's just...

1:27:22 smoke and mirrors and theater for the public to make it feel like the United States populace and the politicians actually do have some form of control over it, when in reality they have absolutely none. Well, I think that's why they do it and why they will not defund them. But here's the difference. If you cut off all appropriated funds, the CIA is basically non-existent, right? They're all laid off.

1:27:52 There's no pay. They cannot do any operational. And I'm not suggesting they don't have covert funding because I've covered that extensively with the drug trafficking, the weapons trafficking. But now they are not acting.

1:28:08 under their protection that Congress laws that they passed that says they cannot be found guilty of doing anything that was directed by the director of the CIA because the director of the CIA doesn't exist anymore. By defunding them, it takes 100% of their protection away. Now, we know that they have the agency, the company, the whatever off books.

1:28:34 They've had that. It continues to operate. The issue right now is because there's still a thing called the CIA and they still have appropriated funds, they have the ability to offer that protection to anybody that gets caught. They have the ability to pick up the phone and say, no, he was working for me. Well, if I'm not working anymore, that guy ain't working for me. Does that make sense, Mike?

1:29:00 Yeah, yeah, no, that actually makes a whole lot of sense. I actually will agree with that narrative. They lose all legitimacy at that point. And do I think that they will stop? Absolutely not. But they no longer have the protection that Congress also afforded them by making them immune to basically all laws. And that was an overaction, not a action by inaction. Congress actually gave them.

1:29:29 the ability to not be charged with laws when they sell drugs to American people or when they train terrorists on domestic soil. And to your point, if that funding were to stop, the few smart people that we do have as part of the population in the United States would start asking questions about how are they capable of continuing operation when funding has been cut off. Exactly. Unfortunately, though, I don't think that there's many of us intelligent people that haven't come to this topic left in the United States to actually discover it.

1:30:03 I can disagree with you there. Trump frog, go ahead. I was just going to say, kind of agree with what Mike is saying a hundred percent. And I agree with what you say. And the other part is you can do what JFK wanted to do, which is you can just destroy the whole idea and the concept of it. So all political cover is over and they just, you know, are revealed as what they are, just gangsters. That is exactly what they are.

1:30:34 And I do think that it is important for us to do exactly that. They have to be stripped of everything. Go ahead. Go ahead, Bridget. Oh, and just throwing out onto that pile that it would also remove or you don't see any limits to the covering up of crimes.

1:31:03 with the label that they use consistently of all in the name of national security. We are the public, and that national security means that we're not, they don't believe, essentially it's saying that we are not capable or we do not deserve the information, that only they, the select few, can have the security clearance.

1:31:36 It's just something that they use. It's one of those labels that they have conditioned us to allow them to beat us over the head with. And if you remove the funding and you remove those protections, that national security protection must go with it. I definitely believe, and we've got proof to show it with declassified memorandums, that I would say.

1:32:11 Between 95 and 99% of all classified documentation is a cover your ass classification and not a national security classification. And there's no legitimate reason after some period of time, be it 10 years, be it five years, whatever that timeframe is, it sure as hell isn't 30 or 75 years, that something should still remain classified.

1:32:41 It is a spit in the face of anybody saying that we live in a republic. We have not lived in a republic from the day the CIA was set up, the day anyone was allowed to keep information away from the public. A republic requires informed consent.

1:33:07 We have not had informed consent since the creation of the CIA. None. So we don't live in a republic. That republic can be returned to us with the dissolving of the CIA and the declassification of all of the information that our government is hiding from us. Yeah, the national security. The only thing that I have...

1:33:37 I shouldn't say the only thing. Yeah, well, I'm going to say pretty close to the only thing I've seen in the declassified documents, and we have been through thousands and thousands to nauseam. The only thing that it protected was the arrest of people involved or linked to our government for doing crimes against humanity, crimes against the public, crimes against...

1:34:08 other countries and crimes against their own people. I would go so far as to say that we haven't had an honest or American military or government or political sphere since Operation Underworld when we partnered with the mafia in order to push out the Nazis out of the East Coast.

1:34:29 which again is right around the same time that we created the CIA. I mean, obviously that was at the beginning of World War II, and this all came about at the end of World War II. But World War II unequivocally changed everything. And we have went through history. It's not that this stuff didn't exist. It did exist, but they were not protected. Anybody in the mafia could be arrested for the crimes that they commit.

1:34:58 Anybody that, and not to say that it always happened because, of course, there's corrupt prosecutors, there's corrupt government officials, but they were never protected by the government, not overtly, not by laws, not by congressional committees. After World War II, with the creation of the CIA and the folding in of all of the mafia elements and the criminal elements.

1:35:25 that exist inside the government, all set up inside the CIA and then protected by get out of jail free cards that Congress handed to them voluntarily. There has been several laws passed, even after the church commission, that like the one about not disclosing a CIA agent's name, you know, that just happened in the last, what, 25 years.

1:35:54 And that happened. That whole thing was a setup. And it was a setup because they wanted Philip Agee, who was naming all of the CIA agents, to be able to not have to be a criminal if he continued to do it because he wouldn't stop doing it. That entire made up scenario was to manipulate or give Congress the excuse to pass that law.

1:36:22 to protect the CIA. And because they're compromised, they did exactly what the CIA wanted them to do. That shit's got to stop. So I don't know if you guys are familiar with Philip McGee. He was the CIA whistleblower that we basically kicked out of the country. He started naming names. He wrote books. He would not get the CIA's approval for his books. And he's the one that started, was it Covert?

1:36:56 intelligence, covert action intelligence brief, C-A-I-B, I believe is what it is. The LaRoche outfit, and he started naming all of the CIA agents by country. It was hilarious. And they passed that LaFlame law. They set up that whole scenario. Oh my God, they've outed a CIA agent when she hadn't been in the field in years.

1:37:23 All is set up to manipulate us. And Congress was part of it. And that's why I say I think it's the opposite way. I don't think, I think Congress does the charades. They're part of the actor. They're part of the script. They go along and do whatever it is that they tell them to do because they're just as compromised. I mean, if you guys remember the story about Gray.

1:37:51 What was his first name? Hill and Knowlton was the PR company that he worked for. Help me with that, Bridget. His last name's Gray. He's a PR guy, Hill and Knowlton. I'm working on it. Robert Gray. Robert Gray. He basically set up a brothel in D.C.

1:38:18 And gave free memberships to all of Congress and all of these other people and brought hookers in and had cameras in all of the rooms and did all kinds of shit so that they could blackmail. He was on the CIA's payroll. Congress is compromised. There's there's just no two ways about it. And any of the stuff that happens there, it's all theater. And nothing shows that more than that.

1:38:48 congressional investigations of the 1970s, which showed that there were people who were trying to investigate and saw and we could see how CIA, exactly how CIA shut that down. Critical education as far education wise. Yeah. I mean, and you brought up Leo Ryan, best example of that. You do anything that's anti-CIA and they will murder you. They assassinated him.

1:39:18 because he wouldn't take no for an answer. So, yeah, they made their point very clear. It's assassination politics. They did it to Matt Gaetz. When Matt Gaetz couldn't be controlled, they said he was sleeping with an underage minor. That's exactly what they do. But you have to be a fighter. You have to stand up and vote your morals. But it's assassination politics. That is what you're...

1:39:50 Describing the structure is assassination politics. Michael Hastings, if anyone knows who that journalist is, assassinated right in L.A. They've assassinated a lot of journalists. I mean, that's the whole reason we're doing this. Operation Gladio. They will assassinate anybody that gets in their way.

1:40:12 We've revealed that time and time again. They killed multiple reporters in Germany, in Italy, in Portugal, in Belgium, in London, all because they were reporting on Operation Gladio before it got exposed. You know, the octopus, Danny Castellano, all of those people were assassinated reporting and doing the right thing.

1:40:42 exposing all of this and with every one of those people that ended up getting assassinated it was a validation for all of us that what they were saying was true and truth gets advanced unfortunately it's with the death of someone but oftentimes that's the only way to get the information out there and get the attention

1:41:07 of everybody else is because somebody is willing to make the sacrifice to expose the information. And I think the best example of that, Colonel, is what Speaker Pelosi, to use that oxymoron, did with the memorial to Congressman Leo Ryan, who I think was a hero for what he did. He absolutely was. And she, let's think about this for a second. She put his memorial, right?

1:41:37 which is designed to keep the memory of someone alive in the public. She put his memorial in the house cloakroom where no one, you can't make this shit up. You know, if that's the ultimate example of just burying something, burying the memory of someone who tried, because the example of someone who tries.

1:42:06 to check and balance CIA is more deadly to the agency than almost anything else. And so what that exposes, right, what that exposes is she's captured. She being a mafia princess herself is part of the underbelly of the CIA and their operation. She is an enabler of the CIA.

1:42:35 And by that single act, she has broadcast to the world that she is under their control. She works for them. She does not work for us. Absolutely. Bridget, go ahead. Oh, totally. You're exactly right. She's just all part of the same. They're all part years in the same giant machine. But one of the things I wanted to bring up, because you always remind me to look at the dates.

1:43:10 And the more I got to thinking about that, when it comes up often with the national security cloaks that they use to hide their evil deeds, the U.S. National Security Organization has essentially, this according to Wikipedia, has essentially remained stable since July 26, 1947, when it was signed.

1:43:36 1947, right around the same time as we keep going through these over and over and over. One giant concerted effort when everything changed. Yep. Yep. In the immediate aftermath of World War II. And the Dulles brothers have a statue in the airport in D.C. If you're ever there and you see it, spit on it for me, please. I've been in that airport a million times.

1:44:11 It's funny that the Dulles Airport was kind of like an icon when you're coming in. I mean, I was stationed there for six years, so obviously I flew in and out of there a lot. And to go back and now understand just how evil the two of them were, that's just another one of those.

1:44:39 Kind of spit in your faces that they would even I mean, the people that did that knew those people were evil. And again, it's just another struggle session. Just throw it right in your face and make you live with it. Benjamin, go ahead. Hi, everyone. Thanks, Colonel. Part of what I think is kind of neat about this whole thing is how.

1:45:06 Some people are talking in code, you know, like with Trump after the first assassination attempt, they played that song from some some of all fears, you know, and then after the second assassination attempt, they played the same exact song. What what what that's supposed to symbolize, because there's a lot of symbolism. There's a lot of code talking that happens in these types of things like that's.

1:45:29 And it's so easy to hide things in plain sight because it's one of those things like if you know, you know. You know, that's why Trump was playing those songs whenever he did those rallies right after the assassination attempts. He was communicating to his people like, hey, we're still in charge. You know, we're snatching these people up. That's why P. Diddy stuff came out. He got called in. That's why all the people associated with P. Diddy, they're all being highlighted and thrown out. That's why all the.

1:45:58 the things that the Colonel and all these wonderful ladies are talking about, it's all being highlighted. You know, we weren't able to see this stuff because once it hit the mainstream, they may show it to you, but then they'll snatch it away real quick. They'll take it out of the conversation that's going on overall. You know, they, they, that's how liars are. They control the conversation. This is all being highlighted. Like this is all theater that's playing out. What's going to happen. I don't know. There's going to be an election for.

1:46:26 president or if there will but at the same time once this happens like there's going to be so much information that's thrown out there on a lot of people because they're compartmentalized you know they've been listening to this one side that's

1:46:40 filling them with all this stuff, it's going to catch them off guard, you know, but that's why we're here to wake everybody else up because, you know, if we're talking about it and we all, you know, we're showing all this stuff and colonels laying it all out there for you, that's easily regurgitated and taken in, you know, all these pictures being painted. We got these guys. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. All right. If we've got everybody's questions,

1:47:14 I don't see any more hands. We're going to go ahead and close up so I can grab some dinner and get ready for my 8 o'clock. Frog, do you have something coming up this weekend? Yeah, I probably will. It's been a long week, but I think I'm going to open up a space. I'm not sure if it's tonight or tomorrow, but I'm definitely going to make it happen. Okay, awesome. All right, we'll be looking for that.

1:47:44 Do you got anything going on, Stellar? No, I'm going to try and follow you. I have a couple of weddings. But other than that, follow you and your stuff. Follow Bridget. Try to wake people up on what's going on with the financial market and Basel III and game. You know, that's coming up real quick. So just that kind of stuff, you know. And if golfing opens, definitely going to be there. Awesome. All right.

1:48:15 We'll see you guys if you're in the audience tonight, 8 o'clock. Otherwise, we'll be back here Monday at 4. Thanks for being here, everybody. Thank you.

Entities here

CIA71 Allen Dulles45 U.S. Congress35 Church Committee26 Vietnam25 Sukarno21 Frank Wisner12 Netherlands8 Operation Mockingbird8 Indonesian National Revolution8 Outer Islands Rebellion7 West New Guinea7 Operation Gladio7 Hungarian Revolution6 Indonesian Communist Party5 Adam Malik Lubis5 Greece4 Jakarta4 Salomo4 Book by Catherine Olmstead4 Assassination attempt on Sukarno4 Guy Pauker4 Sumatra4 U.S. State Department4 Mafia3 Leo Ryan3 Carl Herr3 Howard P. Jones3 Soviet Union3 Nancy Pelosi3 Hugh Cumming Jr.3 Singapore3 The Washington Post3 The New York Times3 Mohammad Hatta3 Abdul Haris Nasution3 House Select Committee on Assassinations2 Arleigh Burke2 John Polgreen2 Joe Biden2

Claims made here

CIA carried_out_attack Outer Islands Rebellion host_asserted ▶ 7:17

“formed and created as a result of CIA-Gladio involvement, as one might imagine. And it was done specifically, we are told, to neutralize the quote-unquote Communist Party. But we've already establishe…”

Mohammad Hatta headed Vietnam documented ▶ 7:46

“at best 10% communist and 90% nationalist, which is a reoccurring theme, peasants that wanted land reform to be able to farm, which also is a reoccurring theme. So it began when Vice President Hatta, …”

Sukarno headed Vietnam documented ▶ 8:18

“And the Soccarno was president. And there was some issues that came up about the taxing that we talked about yesterday. Like the outer islands, which is what they were called, like Sumatra, was supply…”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Netherlands host_asserted ▶ 12:43

“Alan Dulles is basically trying to get the Dutch out of the Netherlands, New Guinea, which is where the oil and gold is. At the same time, he's trying to walk a balance line in not getting rid of Suka…”

Abdul Haris Nasution member_of Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 14:56

“Lubis, L-U-B-I-S. Both of these senior military officers are from Sumatra as well. And there is this event coming up called the Outer Islands Rebellion. That's what we're going to talk about. These tw…”

Adam Malik Lubis member_of Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 14:56

Frank Wisner carried_out_attack Hungarian Revolution host_asserted ▶ 17:51

“Alan Dulles tapping him to be in charge of this one. He also had been in charge of a rebellion that had happened in Hungary. Well, the rebellion in Hungary was a failure. Basically, everybody that was…”

Guy Pauker member_of RAND Corporation host_asserted ▶ 20:58

“a man by the name of Guy Pauker, P-A-U-K-E-R, who was a Rand Corporation researcher and CIA advisor and close friend of Allen Dulles, had actually been in Indonesia doing a quote-unquote study or surv…”

Guy Pauker spied_on Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 21:55

“as a college professor from Berkeley doing a research project to scope out the military intelligence in Indonesia for Alan Dulles to create the plan we're going to talk about today. And this author fi…”

Allen Dulles targeted_for_regime_change Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 22:58

“So he sends this guy over there basically on a vacation to write down as a quote-unquote intel report exactly what he wants to have written down so he can justify the plan he already has created. Whic…”

Allen Dulles recruited Frank Wisner host_asserted ▶ 24:57

“Frank Wisner to be in charge of it because he had just failed in Hungary. And Dulles is going to arrange a sleight of hands that is going to end up with an operational-looking failure, which he's bett…”

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 25:24

“And then he's going to use that centralized army and he has somebody already in mind to lead it that is compromised to overthrow the government. That's how outrageous these operations are that have be…”

Adam Malik Lubis recruited Outer Islands Rebellion host_asserted ▶ 25:50

“So before the rebellion flared up and failed in February 1958, the army commanders in the outer islands were displaying a low-level rebelliousness based on those economic grievances we talked about ea…”

Sumitro Djojohadikusumo recruited Outer Islands Rebellion host_asserted ▶ 26:18

“had been the Jakarta-based minister of finance. And this guy's got like 20 consonants in his name. Dr. Sumitro Dejojadadi Kusomo. I don't know. We're going to call him Dr. Sumitro. And he joined the r…”

Sumitro Djojohadikusumo member_of Berkeley Mafia host_asserted ▶ 26:46

“who were actually at the time based in Singapore. They weren't even, they were being trained as a Gladio unit in Singapore. They weren't even in Indonesia. And a close associate of the guy that was th…”

Allen Dulles supplied_arms_to Outer Islands Rebellion host_asserted ▶ 27:45

“by supplying small arms via a delivery service. This included using U.S. submarines and U.S. air support to include the 7th Fleet, Task Force 75, which was a formidable group of warships out of the 7t…”

Allen Dulles headed U.S. State Department documented ▶ 32:08

“You have Richard Nixon, who is basically at the time of the rebellion, the vice president. And you have Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles all in these positions. John Foster Dulles is the secretary o…”

Allen Dulles headed CIA documented ▶ 32:08

Allen Dulles covered_up Outer Islands Rebellion book_quoted ▶ 37:57

“Subversion of Foreign Policy, written by Audrey and George Kahnan, K-A-H-I-N. It was in a book called Subversion as Foreign Policy. Quote, it should be evident that an abysmal failure this essential c…”

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Frank Wisner host_asserted ▶ 40:22

“Dulles knew in 1956 that his brother had already been diagnosed with cancer and used that to his advantage. In 1956, CIA operations in Hungary under the operational control of Dulles' deputy, Frank Wi…”

Allen Dulles recruited Frank Wisner host_asserted ▶ 41:08

“Frank Wisner, because he was in charge of the Hungary operation, shouldered 100% of the responsibility, but was known to have suffered basically a minor mental and emotional trauma as a result of the …”

Allen Dulles ordered_assassination_of Frank Wisner host_asserted ▶ 42:04

“And he later committed suicide. And they didn't give a crap. He was just another body spent on the sidelines of this war that Alan Dulles was waging on behalf of his collective benefactors in the inte…”

CIA influenced Church Committee host_asserted ▶ 44:06

“And the heart attack gun and all that other stuff stuff. And it was making people mad at the CIA. And so they were going to start killing CIA agents. And once that assassination, which I believe to be…”

Allen Dulles fired Salomo host_asserted ▶ 47:04

“putting crises in front of Sukarno that makes him appear with twisted intel more and more militant, which then they paint as more and more communist. So the U.S. ambassador in Jakarta, Allison, in con…”

Douglas MacArthur used Richard Sutherland host_asserted ▶ 49:05

“report accurate intel, he reports intel that feeds into his narrative. And that's exactly the way MacArthur operated during and after World War II with Willoughby, his chief of intel. You just send th…”

Allen Dulles member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 50:05

“were involved in Sullivan and Cromwell. Both of them represented repeatedly the international syndicate's, what do you call it, resources. And there may have been a mantra of this anti-communist becau…”

Allen Dulles appointed Hugh Cumming Jr. host_asserted ▶ 51:35

“But that really is the only thing that I would say that I have a problem with in all of this. So let me do this one last. Well, there's a couple of points here. Thank you. That I want to make. Why did…”

Carl Herr member_of Sullivan & Cromwell host_asserted ▶ 53:05

“Carr's actual name, you're never going to believe this, Carl Gottlieb Carr. Yeah, German descent. He's also a Rhodes Scholar, Intel, Yale Law School. Oh, yeah, he worked with both John Foster Dulles a…”

Alfred Omar member_of CIA host_asserted ▶ 54:07

“Another guy that was on this committee that was quote unquote independent was Alfred Omar, which I recognized his name immediately because he was part of the OSS. He was in Navy intelligence and he ac…”

CIA created_unrest_in Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 55:05

“has decided that they have to be neutral. They're not neutral about anything, but the official policy is they're neutral. And as neutral, they can't sell any weapons to Indonesia. Do you see this patt…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Vietnam host_asserted ▶ 55:37

“pockets of terrorists on these outer islands doing all kinds of shit. So Zuccaro, in this creation of this centralized army, has to have weapons. Well, if you're not going to get weapons from the U.S.…”

Sukarno bought_weapons_from Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 55:37

CIA attempted_assassination_of Sukarno host_asserted ▶ 58:38

“that there had been an attempted assassination on Sukarno. And then after this attempted assassination, Sukarno had nationalized most, if not all of the Dutch businesses inside of Indonesia, the part …”

Sukarno believed NATO host_asserted ▶ 58:38

CIA installed Suharto host_asserted ▶ 1:01:02

“Um, they end up installing Suharto and of course Suharto goes on as did Pinochet and all of the rest of them and kills, you know, tens of thousands, um, if not millions, um, I mean, a ton of people di…”

CIA assassinated Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 1:01:02

CIA overthrew Mohammad Mosaddegh host_asserted ▶ 1:01:33

“They just earlier, a few years earlier, overthrew Iran and Mosaddegh. So they're just on a tear. Anyway, that gets us through the major facts of Indonesia. So we can go ahead and open it up for anybod…”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:04:53

“So my data on the church committee is that it actually was effective, but they got to Frank Church somehow. But anyway, it's why we have the intelligence committee, which is like eight senators, which…”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:05:25

“Colonel, what's it called when you can get data, get some special access? Anyway, they are overseers. That's what came out of the church committee. Okay, Carrie, I'm going to take issue with you right…”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:05:55

“a prime member of that intel committee. What they did was put lipstick on a pig. They set up, quote unquote, oversight committees that hasn't done jack shit in holding anybody accountable in the CIA. …”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:06:23

“was able to take classified information out of the CAT. And the only reason that the, not the CAT, the SCI facility, the only reason they even have that in Congress now is because of the stupid ass co…”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:06:53

“Warner was a compromised sleeping with a reporter person. You cannot hold an intelligence entity that does covert actions like the CIA accountable by corrupt politicians. It's impossible. So I know wh…”

CIA laundered_money_for Nugan Hand Bank host_asserted ▶ 1:07:24

“The fact that the church committee happened in, I want to get the exact date, in 1975, and you went through the entire 1980s of the Iran-Contra selling arms, BCCI, Castle Bank, Nugent Hand Bank, and m…”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:07:24

CIA laundered_money_for Catholic Church host_asserted ▶ 1:07:24

CIA laundered_money_for BCCI host_asserted ▶ 1:07:24

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:07:55

“fucking person was held accountable? Don't tell me that the church committee was effective. They weren't effective in any way, shape or form. Sorry. Okay. Can I just continue though? There's one more …”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:08:57

“Congress has an oversight responsibility, and it is their responsibility to hold the executive branch accountable by running investigations and things like that. The Intelligence Committee setup was j…”

CIA influenced House Select Committee on Assassinations book_quoted ▶ 1:11:30

“And no intelligence committee is going to change that. Right. Well, it ended up that way, but it's very important to see how the CIA did that. And that is primarily through Operation Mockingbird. She …”

CIA used Operation Mockingbird book_quoted ▶ 1:11:30

CIA influenced The New York Times book_quoted ▶ 1:11:30

CIA influenced The Washington Post book_quoted ▶ 1:11:30

CIA influenced Pike Committee book_quoted ▶ 1:11:30

CIA sacrificed Frank Wisner host_asserted ▶ 1:12:18

“There was nothing that came out of the church committee that changed a single thing. And it is not like Greece is the only example. We just had another example. They sacrificed Frank Wisner and used h…”

CIA assassinated Leo Ryan host_asserted ▶ 1:16:12

“Congress memories did not get wiped clean. The very next year, the CIA budget comes up for renewal, and they not only renewed it, they gave them more money. I don't disagree that Congress knew it, but…”

CIA influenced U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:16:12

CIA funded Operation Mockingbird host_asserted ▶ 1:16:42

“So you just made my point. He was the most regulatory of all of the House of Representatives. Yeah, so you just made my point. The church committee did nothing. Yeah, you made my point. The church com…”

CIA carried_out_attack U.S. Congress host_asserted ▶ 1:19:05

“Here we have a situation where information was getting out in the public. And as you're correct, as you're saying correctly, there was no result. Well, why? Because the CIA worked directly through our…”

U.S. Congress funded CIA documented ▶ 1:19:35

“Because Congress cannot renew their budget. Congress is the one that in our Constitution was given the authority to hold the executive branch accountable. It wasn't the media. It wasn't anybody else. …”

CIA assassinated John F. Kennedy host_asserted ▶ 1:23:04

“And anybody sitting in Congress voting to spend one penny of taxpayer dollars on the CIA is a piece of shit as far as I'm concerned. They seem like they're involved with killing a sitting president. A…”

U.S. Congress covered_up CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:29:29

“the ability to not be charged with laws when they sell drugs to American people or when they train terrorists on domestic soil. And to your point, if that funding were to stop, the few smart people th…”

CIA funded Operation Underworld host_asserted ▶ 1:34:08

“other countries and crimes against their own people. I would go so far as to say that we haven't had an honest or American military or government or political sphere since Operation Underworld when we…”

CIA recruited Mafia host_asserted ▶ 1:34:58

“Anybody that, and not to say that it always happened because, of course, there's corrupt prosecutors, there's corrupt government officials, but they were never protected by the government, not overtly…”

Robert Keith Gray member_of Hill and Knowlton host_asserted ▶ 1:37:51

“What was his first name? Hill and Knowlton was the PR company that he worked for. Help me with that, Bridget. His last name's Gray. He's a PR guy, Hill and Knowlton. I'm working on it. Robert Gray. Ro…”

CIA paid Robert Keith Gray host_asserted ▶ 1:38:18

“And gave free memberships to all of Congress and all of these other people and brought hookers in and had cameras in all of the rooms and did all kinds of shit so that they could blackmail. He was on …”

CIA assassinated Leo Ryan host_asserted ▶ 1:39:18

“because he wouldn't take no for an answer. So, yeah, they made their point very clear. It's assassination politics. They did it to Matt Gaetz. When Matt Gaetz couldn't be controlled, they said he was …”

CIA assassinated Michael Hastings host_asserted ▶ 1:39:50

“Describing the structure is assassination politics. Michael Hastings, if anyone knows who that journalist is, assassinated right in L.A. They've assassinated a lot of journalists. I mean, that's the w…”

CIA assassinated Danny Castellano host_asserted ▶ 1:40:12

“We've revealed that time and time again. They killed multiple reporters in Germany, in Italy, in Portugal, in Belgium, in London, all because they were reporting on Operation Gladio before it got expo…”

CIA founded U.S. National Security Organization host_asserted ▶ 1:43:36

“1947, right around the same time as we keep going through these over and over and over. One giant concerted effort when everything changed. Yep. Yep. In the immediate aftermath of World War II. And th…”