Operation Gladio - Germany

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0:00 Yeah, I guess it really doesn't like me showing off my military. It just shut the entire thing down. That's crazy. Yeah, let me push this back out. Let's see. Ditto. All right. Well, it was worth a try.

0:40 Yeah, I didn't even get a chance to look to see if my little the pill bubble was open because that's the problem I had in scheduling them ahead of time. But it looked like it was there. But I, you know. All right. Well, now everybody's seen them. So I have a whole lot of stuff, but we're going to do this one a little.

1:12 differently. So I found a whole bunch of different pieces to this puzzle. What's very interesting to me about Germany is, and maybe it's because of their past, when you go to try to find their Gladio program, which you know they have one, it's very difficult to find it.

1:47 Obviously, the importance of illustrating Germany's continuing to be a fascist country in many respects is kind of contrary to their narrative, if you will. But there's no way, just from a 30,000-foot look, that General SS General

2:16 Reinhard Galen helped Alan Dulles set the entire program up and skipped over Germany. You know the odds of that happening are zero. So you know the program is there and trying to find it is very interesting. So you kind of have to do it in a roundabout way. And in Richard Cottrell's book,

2:47 He actually talks about some particular events. So I'm going to start there. But we may run a little long. I'm just going to tell you that up front. And also, we were going to cover the debate last night as well. But Frog sent me a DM and said that he was going to try to come into our space and then...

3:22 do that afterwards. So I really don't want to step on his toes. We can say a few things at the end if you guys want, but I'm not going to focus as much as I was going to on that. So anyway, this particular event starts off in 1952, and there was a German paper

3:52 that wrote in October of 1952 that the Hitler Youth Program was back in business. And it said that there was a secret organization armed and trained with American dollars to fight a guerrilla war on German soil. And a little over a month earlier, a former SS officer by the name of Hans Otto strolled into a state police headquarters in Frankfurt and began

4:21 Just jibber jabbering, just like full confession. He explained that he had been involved in Nazi type activities and that it was basically a secret, but it was supported by the state and it was operating under the guise of a youth league. So Otto.

4:52 The people that he was talking to were kind of shocked. But in Germany in 1952, they were still kind of dealing with the aftermath of what had happened in Germany. So there was like a pin, you could have heard a pin drop. So one of the state leaders, so within the country, it was kind of divided up into.

5:23 States was a guy by the name of George August Zen. And he was getting word. He, he was in the Haitian Haitian Haitian H E S S I A N. And he was getting word about the same thing. So he went to bond and he created this big to do.

5:54 with Conrad Adenauer. And Adenauer is the guy that hired SS General Galen to be his chief of intel, who was basically in charge of this secret force. So he's definitely going to get some attention here. And before this explosive story had got out in the newspapers, Adenauer was basically...

6:22 trying to hush it all up, but it didn't work. And people started sniffing around trying to find out what he knew about these secret soldiers and the XSS resources that were being used for their training. So Zen, in his briefcase, had a

6:49 bunch of papers that had been supplied by Hans Otto listing prominent Social Democrats to be liquidated as potentially unreliable in a conflict with the Soviets. So in other words, if the Soviet Union came over the Folga Gap, this was the hit list because these people were not reliable to defend Germany. 15 sheets of people that they had

7:17 pre-identified as quote-unquote communist to be knocked off just in case something should happen. And he was livid about it. So the American ambassador, because of course they got wind that this was kind of a NATO thing, the American ambassador assured him unconvincingly that no such plan to manipulate the political climate existed. It was an extraordinarily

7:50 insulting lecture that was given by the ambassador to this basically a governor. And the Haitian prime minister, which I guess that's the name they use, but he's actually a governor, next went to the state parliament where he delivered a public statement on the affair. He laid bare basically what he had determined was a resurgence of Nazism.

8:23 and outlined a whole list of illegal domestic activities that was taking place under the guise of a youth program. As they heard the deadly roll call of names proposed for elimination, agitated members gasped and basically gave him a standing ovation when he was done. In Gladio, this was a...

8:52 an exceptional day of exposure. A full 38 years before Andriotti in 1990 would expose the Italian. But at that point, it didn't have a name. He didn't even know much about it other than the fact of what this Hans Otto had told him. So the author says that

9:25 It created a raw nerve during his hours of writing and recording statements at the police headquarters. He revealed how a branch of the secret army that was codenamed Technical Service of the German Youth Federation was basically behind this. They referred to it by an acronym, TDBDJ.

9:56 Otto explained that the Nazi credentials were not essential to joining this exclusive club, but most members of the organization featured them and that they were in constant contact with the BND, which is basically the CIA under Galen in Germany. These ex-Nazi networks that the stay-behind group had put together

10:28 worked under initials ORG, like for Organization Galen. The new intel body was established in 1946 by SS General Reinhard Galen. This unit of the former Nazi state was, basically, he's trying to say that he's the chief of intel.

10:59 that it was working directly with the United States government. The ORG was basically attached to the CIA as far as reporting goes, because quickly it became apparent that Galen did not do anything without asking Alan Dulles first. So wherever and whenever the secret armies were located, they would

11:29 basically talk up the connections that they had in the past with the Nazis. One of the leaders was called a night hunter. He was also referred to as the wing commander, and his name was Erhard Peters, P-E-T-E-R-S.

12:01 And American diplomats found themselves trapped in their stories. Despite the earlier blank denials of the U.S. diplomats stationed in Germany, nagging American journalists who followed up with the German headlines extracted a partial confession, which stood everything the saintly Zen had been told on his head. The New York Times declared, quote,

12:29 Authoritative officials, Code, Pentagon, and CIA, privately confirmed today that the U.S. had sponsored and helped finance the secret training of young Germans, including many former soldiers, to become guerrilla fighters in the event they went to war with the Soviet Union. The Times was not taken in by their cover-up. Informing its readers,

13:00 how many active socialists, including government ministers, were on the list of summary executions by the secret army in case of hostilities. Even as a headline slowly began to fade, Zen promised his deputies that he would stay on this and make sure that he got rid of them. Zen's energy dissipated when the main leadership,

13:29 rounded up by the Haitian state police, were detained for a short incarceration and then basically let go by the ministers in Bonn. The picture of the secret state was revealed. The U.S. had run into Hedwin when its project to leverage the West Germans into

14:00 NATO had taken kind of a backseat to this reoccurrence of the Nazi problem that was in Germany. Germany was revealed as honoring members of the former regime, i.e. Nazis, to such an extent that they were operating the levers of power in the highest places, which, you know, is kind of duh because

14:30 We put them in NASA over here. We put them in all of our major programs. We put them in the civilian side of NATO. For the first 16 years, NATO was a thing. Either the number one civilian or the number two civilian was a former Nazi. So they were in high-ranking positions everywhere. In 1955, Germany was finally introduced as a paid-up member of NATO.

14:56 The high-level pact was immediately concluded between Germany and the U.S. government. It was agreed that there would be no legal prosecution of former Nazis connected with the secret armies. So, a guy by the name of Hans Globke, G-L-O-B-K-E, was a prominent Nazi jurist.

15:26 who helped formulate the 1935 anti-Jewish German blood and honor laws, was one of the most important ex-Nazis in the state chancellery. He was sitting just along the corridor from Adenauer's personal suite as the national security advisor. General Erich von Manstein, M-A-N-S-T-E-I-N, convicted war criminal and favored

15:56 poodle of NATO was the chancellor's chief political advisor. Yet the truly insidious aspect about this was that it conferred for any act the government secret soldiers performed on behalf of their ultimate masters, NATO, that they would be given blanket immunity. So basically the same deal the CIA has in the United States.

16:28 It was plain that America's obsession with securing German forces under NATO command was intended to disguise the conversion of Germany into a frontline armed camp for NATO. In 1966, the creation of the Grand Left-Right Ruling Coalition reduced federal politics to basically a one-state party. In 1970, Andreas Bader

16:58 B-A-A-D-E-R, and Eureike Meinhof, M-E-I-N-H-O-F, formed an organization called the Red Army Faction. And this is the one I want to spend a little bit of time talking about, because this is very important, because this Red Army Faction is going to function like the Red Brigade in Italy.

17:28 Popularly, it was known as the Bada-Meinhof Gang. The founders included Gudrun, and I'll spell his last name, E-N-S-S-L-I-N, and Horst Mahler, M-A-H-L-E-R, who, between them, composed the royal family of the RAF, the Red Army Faction. Three years later,

17:58 revolutionary cells or RZs began popping up and was basically, they were kind of the weather underground of Germany, for lack of a better way of saying it. But what's interesting about this is pretty much like the Red Brigade that had been set up yet infiltrated immediately.

18:29 and steered by the infiltrators into doing things that they wouldn't have necessarily done already. It functioned as kind of a face of Gladio, whether the people that were in it knew it or not, they were very much infiltrated and manipulated. And that's kind of shocking.

18:53 I have a couple of German friends, and when I first read this book about this particular incident, when I talked to them about some of the horrific terrorist events that went on in Germany that was perpetrated by these people, and my initial discovery of Gladio, they were like, there's no way those people worked for the government. And when I started explaining how

19:24 the same exact thing had happened in Italy with the Red Brigade. And because we had so much information on it, I could give them names of the people that were the infiltrators, as well as the people that they kind of erroneously arrested, some of which committed suicide because they realized they were trapped and they were sentenced to long sentences for bombings that they didn't even commit.

19:54 But they were a member of this organization because the organization was basically portrayed as a labor organization as far as Italy's Red Brigade. They stood up for workers' rights and stuff like that, at least at the local level. At the national level, it's a different story. But the people that were at the local level are the ones that eventually got used or...

20:23 used is the best word, and manipulated to show up at these places and then were later arrested kind of like January 6th for just being there, even though they had no idea they were part of it. So you can look at January 6th and realize that many of the quote unquote patriot organizations had infiltrators in it. And when, you know, a million people show up to participate in something, it takes a handful of the bad guys.

20:53 to basically screw it up for thousands of other people who are made examples of. And so now it's obviously much easier to look back in hindsight and see the similarities of how they set these things up in all of these different countries and basically screwed normal citizens by lies, propaganda.

21:23 and infiltrating what could have been honest labor efforts. So anyway, so it gets to the point where now we're at the point of the Vietnam and their efforts took on many of the same not wanting to be in the war.

21:53 Thinking that NATO should be not part of it. So the author goes on and talks about the psychological element of the double standard of the authorities taking a popular appeal of a particular unit and then infiltrating it. And it even says that.

22:23 Yves-Garin Seurat, the Frenchman who goes to Portugal and sets up a gender press, was actually helping set up many of the organizations in Germany. And it said during a group sojourn by the founders at a...

22:50 PLO training camp in Jordan, saying this group was actually taken to a terrorist training camp in Jordan, that one participant by the name of Peter Homan, H-O-M-A-N-N, began to appear suspicious and he was threatened on the spot with a death sentence of being a spy.

23:19 So as soon as he gets back, he drops out of the organization. But it was very much thought at the time that he was one of the Gladio infiltrators into this organization to steer them into committing certain acts. Gadarin Surat taught the clever ploy of intercepting plans for terrorist attacks and then allowing these events to happen.

23:49 but crafting them for your own use. The authorities would then reap the propaganda benefit and be able to manipulate society. But first, Germany led the way with a remarkable similar demonstration that bore strange overtones of a rehearsal. The political prizes of a sensational episode were

24:19 basically what they were looking for, and they were going to use this particular organization. So what actually comes out was eventually called, kind of like Italy had the years of lead, they had what was called the Long Autumn of 1977. There was an abduction and murder of a prominent German capitalist.

24:45 There was basically a state of emergency that followed with the climax of basically what they staged as an insurgency that was kind of equally distributed over Germany of terrorist events. And the Smith government acted with iron resolve, you know, kind of like what we did after 9-11, imposing emergency.

25:16 Germany experienced a total crackdown on their civil liberties, reminiscence of 1984. The trigger was a kidnapping on 5 September 1977 of Hans Martin Slayer, S-C-H-L-E-Y-E-R, who was one of the most well-known capitalists in Germany.

25:47 And it says, probably the only more famous terrorist attack in Germany was the Munich Olympics, other than this guy's assassination. The New York Times described this former middle-ranking SS officer who rose to the upper ranks of the German big business, the Employers Federation.

26:21 of German industry, he's like a trade guy, as the exact caricature of an ugly capitalist. And he was the number one candidate that would have kind of sealed their fate as a terrorist organization. It says the indicators leading up to the kidnapping could not have been more obvious. Dr. Slayer was under 24-hour security surveillance.

26:51 as their ideal target, yet no one appears to have noticed that he was closely shadowed by the RAF's usual pre-strike reconnaissance squad. In one of his recordings, he pointed to the obvious by insisting that the authorities had made it very easy for him to be kidnapped. This is one of the most important remarks that he made before he was shot to death in a French forest.

27:21 Slayer died with the conviction that his fate had been at least partially ordained by the state. There was certain uncanny resemblance to the practice run for the Aldo Moro tragedy a year later. And keep in mind, the practice run for the Aldo Moro assassination got called off at the last minute, and James Angleton was actually in Italy for the event when it got called off. So it could have very well been a dress rehearsal.

27:51 The distinctive shared features included a bloody assault on security guards, protracted manhunts, the regular parading of victims before revolutionary banners, the staged Morrow and Slayer poses were curiously virtually identical. Ostensibly, the snatch was staged in order to force the release of... So, backing up just a second.

28:22 Several of the leaders had been arrested of this group and were in jail. So supposedly this is supposed to be like a hostage exchange. But there were a lot of people that wanted this guy dead. So it could have very well been staged as the hostage exchange. So let's see. During the 44 days in captivity, the kidnapped victim had shifted from one safe house to another.

28:55 in three different countries. He had been taken from Germany to the Netherlands to Belgium. And that's very important when you understand how Gladio works as well. It indicates the states involved because back then they didn't have open borders. There would have been almost no way to get this guy to all of these places because he was very well known on the continent. Very well known. In itself,

29:24 Oh, and by the way, there was an Interpol hunt out as well. So, I mean, they were on high alert because the entire country was on basically like a police state at this point in Germany. Slayer was finally killed in the woods near one of the safe houses in eastern France on 18 October 1977 with three execution shots to the back of his head. Aldo Moro had been shot 10 times.

29:54 After 54 days as a hostage, both murders bore the same blueprint. Prolonged maximum intent of public opinion and to reap the desired political harvest, there was definitely a strategy of tension in play. One of the guys in a 2008 book, Stephan Aust, A-U-S-T, who knew what the...

30:23 one of the main guys in this RAF terrorist unit, pointed to another curious parallel with Morrow, namely, quote, how a massive failure of the police operation meant that Slayer was not freed, despite the fact that less than 48 hours after the kidnapping, there had been concrete clues to his first hiding place, unquote. What Ost described was a massive failure.

30:52 was nothing of the kind. The authorities knew all along that Slayer was to be kidnapped and where. What followed was the deliberate dragging of feet. Slayer was first taken to an apartment in a pretty riverside town of Erfstadt, which is about 20 kilometers from Cologne and close to where he was actually kidnapped from. From the onset, he was a doomed sacrifice.

31:22 And it became apparent that the authorities, while pretending to be on high alert, was basically disinterested in any clues that would help him be released. The local police had already intercepted reports of suspicious activity at the apartment building, but failed to respond. The police was given the numbers of vehicles that seemed strange in the neighborhood.

31:52 One resident even questioned one of the kidnappers and described the blue child's buggy that was used as a decoy device in the attack on his limousine. The witness thought this strange because there was no children in the apartment, so why would they have a baby buggy? Surveillance of Dr. Slayer by the terrorist planning team was never spotted by the authorities, least of all, supposedly,

32:23 any of his state provided. So most of the people that had been on his protection team, I was reading, were previous, kind of like retired military and retired Secret Service people, like go and get private security jobs. That was basically who made up his security team. So it goes into a whole bunch of other details about this whole thing, but

32:57 these same people end up all dead. All of the people that were arrested that they're supposedly in an exchange for, they all end up dead while they're in captivity. So that's another tale that you're dealing with Operation Gladio because they want all of the witnesses dead, not unlike Jeffrey Epstein.

33:23 There's a whole lot more that you can read about this entire event, but most of the stuff that you find online doesn't tell you any of these details. But Richard Cottrell has all of the statements, and he looked through a lot of the...

33:50 legal paperwork because some of the family members of the RAF members that died in police custody filed lawsuits. So there was a lot of documentation that he went through to kind of piece this whole story together. But it is unequivocally a Gladio operation. And let's see. This went on. They blew up.

34:22 One of the music venues downtown outside of one of the military bases and killed some Air Force military people over there in the bomb blast. This went on for years. They had several hundred bombings in Germany. So what I want to do is go to a couple of articles.

34:51 As I go through these, I will send these to Bridget to post. Let's see. I'm going to have to message them to you, Bridget, from my computer here because I have them all pulled up on my screen. So this first one was written in what's called the World Socialist website. And it talks about the Luxembourg trials in 1980.

35:25 several of the terror bombings, that it revealed the involvement of the German police and intelligence agencies. And basically what this says is, I'm just going to read a couple of sentences of it. The trial is taking place in Luxembourg, dealing with a series of terror bombings committed in the 1980s. Although the bombings implicate NATO troops and its top secret stay-behind operation in terrorist activities, the trial

35:53 has been largely ignored by the German and international media. At the center of the trial are two members of the BMG, and this stood for Brigade Mobile Grenamari. It's an elite police unit accused of being responsible for 18 bombings that rocked Luxembourg between May 1984 and April 1986.

36:22 Josh Wilms, W-I-L-M-E-S, and Marco Scheer, S-C-H-E-E-R, are alleged to have carried out the bombings with two others, now deceased, colleagues. The alleged aim of the bombings was to achieve increased funding for law enforcement. The Ninth Criminal Court in Luxembourg has been sitting in the so-called bomb-planting trial for 44 days, with no end in sight.

36:52 While the prosecution has sought to prove that the two elite policemen were behind the attacks, the defense has argued that those responsible were actually in NATO. The involvement of NATO in the bombings was underlined by the fact that the stay-behind operation, this time under the name Gladio, was responsible for very similar attacks in Italy in the 1980s as well. The aim of those attacks were to destabilize and create a political shift to the right.

37:21 It has been established in court that the attack on the main train station in Bologna in 1980, which left 85 dead, was carried out by Gladio. Unlike in Italy, there are no fatalities resulting from the bombings in Luxembourg, but on a number of occasions, it was by pure chance that no one was killed. The bombs were laid at electrical substations, police stations, and the Palace of Justice.

37:50 one at a lawyer's office, one at an airport, one at a swimming pool, a gas station, and finally at a newspaper office. Striking at the time was the familiarity on the part of the perpetrators with the local security measures. Some of the attacks made downright fun of the investigating authorities. The power company whose power substations were attacked received several notes demanding ransom money. The perpetrators, however,

38:20 appeared to have no real interest in any transfer of funds, but were able to accurately describe attempts to trap them in the course of the handover. It was this precise knowledge that the lead investigators made them conclude that the bombings had to have had inside police coordination in order for the perpetrators to be able to antagonize them

38:49 and described their every movement. Even more remarkable is the fact that the perpetrators were never caught, despite all of the clues and statements by witnesses. According to a state attorney, Robert Beaver, B-I-E-V-E-R, no fewer than 88 from a total of 125 pieces of evidence disappeared in the course of the investigation of the two accused. It's presumed that the perpetrators were being covered.

39:17 by elements of the security apparatus, which is exactly patterns, guys, patterns. Suspicion that NATO stay-behind units were involved in the attacks had already emerged at an earlier date. The organization had been established after World War II to carry out its secret missions, including sabotage, assassinations. The recruits for the elite unit were inevitably right-wing terrorists and Nazis.

39:44 under the protective umbrella of the American and German intelligence agencies. Amongst the evidence presented by defense lawyers is a recording of a secret conversation carried out in 2006 behind the long-standing Luxembourg Prime Minister, Jean-Claude Juncker, his Justice Minister, Luc Frieden, the head of Luxembourg's intelligence services, Marco Mill, and his employee,

40:14 Andre Kimmer and Frank Snyder. In the conversation, the participants speculate about the possible involvement of stay-behinds in the bombings. Junker is due to appear in the trial as a witness. The conversation also discussed the sentence of Gelli, Lucio Gelli, that's the guy that was the P2 Grandmaster in Italy. His appearance in Luxembourg during this period

40:43 Gelli was the head of the P2 Lodge in Italy, which included in its ranks hundreds of paramilitary, military business media mafia. The lodge had close links to Gladio and its strategy of tension. The involvement of a stay-behind unit in Luxembourg has already been confirmed by a witness from Germany in an affidavit. The German historian

41:11 Andres Kramer confirmed that his father, John Kramer, was an officer in General Galen's BND and that he coordinated stay-behind units between Germany, Switzerland, and the Benelux countries. According to Kramer, his father was not only responsible for the bombings in Luxembourg, but also for the bomb attack at the Munich Oktoberfest in 1980.

41:40 that killed 13 people and injured 113. John Kramer is allegedly to have contributed to the construction of the bomb. In Kramer's affidavit, the court in Luxembourg ordered a DNA test in order to check whether John Kramer had pinned the blackmail letters to the utility company. According to his son, the B&D agent Kramer had died.

42:07 The German media and his own family have, let's see, let's see. So I guess there was some confusion as to whether the kid was telling the truth. Many of the experts said he was. Some of his family members said he was not.

42:33 U.S. intelligence agency set up the organization that was called Technical Service. And that's kind of the important, why I want to say these names of some of these organizations is for when you guys are doing your own research, if you find overlapping research that we can all coordinate this. So in Germany, it was called Technical Service of the Federation of German Youth, BDJ.

43:01 After the war, they basically were working to put the Christian Democrats in office and make sure that they got into NATO. One of the spokespersons for the German government at the time this trial was happening admitted that the German branch of Stay Behind had been integrated into the BND in 1955, employed up to 500 agents before allegedly being

43:31 Done away with in 1991, which many countries said they did that after it was exposed in 1990 by Andriotti in Italy, only to find out much later it was not dissolved at all, which is true because one of the things that's going on in Germany right now is Erdogan's crackdown on their gray wolf units in Turkey has a crapload of their former gray wolf.

44:00 Gladio operators coming to Germany. I mean, you can do a search on paramilitary Turkey, German, and you will have article after article after article where they're showing up and they're doing all kinds of crazy crap in Germany right now. In 1990, Manfred Schuller, who worked closely with the SPD chancellor,

44:31 Helmut Schmidt, between 1974 and 1980, told Der Spiegel that the BND had informed the German government orally about the activities of this secret force, that the funding had been approved by the trust board of the Bundestag up until the early 90s. The chairman of this committee

44:54 Rudy Walther acknowledged that the money has always been granted to the stay-behinds. So they're actually talking, I mean, out in the open that they funded it. Since then, a number have uncovered clues about the stay-behind units in the Oktoberfest bombing. And that's a whole other story we won't have time to get into, but the Oktoberfest bombing 100% was an Operation Gladio event as well.

45:23 immediately after the bombing, the official version claimed that there was a lone assassin, which they all do. And they had no political background at all. But it is now known that Kohler had close contacts with the paramilitary group that we just mentioned. So Der Spiegel said that Kohler was firmly rooted in the militant Nazi movement.

45:52 and cultivated close contacts with the Christian Socialist Union, which is a political party of the ruling government. So there was also, well, again, there's a whole bunch on that one. But I wanted to move on to this other article that's in a thing called Counterpunch that talked about the German,

46:25 let me see if I can get down here to it, because it named a couple other ones. They talk about Italy, and then the article is primarily about Italy, but they did mention, if I can find it real quick, there wasn't any way to actually highlight this. Let's see. I don't know if I'll be able to find it.

47:03 Oh, this is the one that was talking about the similarities between the Swedish prime minister, Olaf Palm, the guy that we just discussed in Germany, and Aldo Moro, and also Allende in China, and how basically it was kind of establishing a pattern on how

47:28 these people were going to be taken out. So I'm going to send that one to Bridget as well. And then I'm going to move on to this other one. One of the shootings that they also chalked up to Operation Gladio was, I think it's called Hanau shooting, H-A-N-A-U.

47:56 which happened in the Hesse area of Germany, that same area that the prime minister guy was all up in arms that first discovered Operation Gladio. But this is actually a recent one. This one happened in February 2020 near Frankfurt. And there's a lot of information about this one as well that when you start reading it,

48:23 It looks a lot like a Gladio one. And I'm just going to put that out there. Got booted off, but now you're back in. All right. Let me get her back in here. So let me move on to the next one. Here's another one just for anybody that's in the audience that may have looked at some of these things. There was a woman.

48:56 That was a police officer, female, that was murdered in 2007. And kind of the same type thing. And this one actually does show some of the spillover of the turkey issues of them being imported into those. So I'm going to throw that one in there for anybody that wants to look at that.

49:32 Yeah, we'll put the links in signal later on. I'm just doing it this way for expediency. Another one was a 2004 bombing in Cologne. And that again involved kind of the Turkey spillover effect too, because most of the, and back in when this was going on and most of this information was compiled, most people,

50:01 didn't know that Turkey had the largest Gladio program, bar none, in all of NATO. And so it makes perfect sense that if Germany wants to do a non-attribution assassination, that they would borrow a few of the hitmen from Turkey. And so I read in another book where they were kind of mystified as to why

50:31 So many of the German ones involved Turkish people. But of course, now we know why when you're looking at the whole big picture. And so there's another one that was the Rostock-Lichtenhagen, I love these German names, riots. And that looks a lot like they were trying to orchestrate a particular political outcome.

51:02 They began a whole bunch of riots. Definitely Operation Gladio. And then just for you guys to be able to look through it, I marked the Red Army Faction, which has a lot to do with those people that we were talking about earlier. So I'm going to put that on there. And then you'll love the black.

51:31 and read the whole fascist kind of symbolism of their flag when you click on that one. Then there's a series of like three or four of these organizations. This one's called the Situationist International. And it had, this is more the kind of philosophical part of this whole fascist movement.

52:00 It deals a lot with kind of the philosophy that went behind it in Germany. So again, no expectation you're going to read all this stuff, but I do want you to have it available. And by putting them in these spaces, anybody that wants to come along later and do any additional research, it's all going to be in one place for us.

52:27 There's another one called Commune One or K-1. It's K-O-M-M-U-N-E. And again, another kind of more philosophical, not like the hardcore crap that was going on. I kind of saved those for the beginning.

52:54 There was one called the Socialist Patients Collective. And then the last one was called 2 June Movement. And again, I want to explain just one more time how we started off. And then we're going to open it up for questions. Most of these organizations are going to not appear to be.

53:21 fascist or Gladio, just like the Red Brigade. We were told for years, decades, that the Red Brigade could not have done any of this as far as Gladio, could not have been part of Gladio, no possible way. They were all communist. And that's the perfect disguise for these people.

53:48 create, and in large part because, again, so much research was done in Italy, they basically created, they tracked back to the people that set up the Red Brigade. They set it up basically as a cloaking device. They used rhetoric that they represented labor forces that was disgruntled.

54:12 All over Italy, you know, they had just came out of the totalitarian. Yeah, I know. The emblem on one of the links for the 2 June movement. It's hilarious. But anyway, they had just came out of the totalitarian extreme. So then when you go and you look at.

54:47 the other side of it, communists, that gave people a scare. They had just came out of a fascist government, so they didn't want to go to the other extreme on the communist side, but they wanted their labor issues addressed.

55:03 And so because they had basically been living off of pennies under a totalitarian society, so they wanted to be able to exercise their rights, form labor unions and all that other stuff. So they create the Red Brigade, call it communist. And all of these people think their labor rights are getting addressed inside of that organization, only to find out that it was all made up. And so you really have to.

55:32 take all of these labels kind of as tongue in cheek until you actually can look into the organization and decide by looking at what they did, whether or not they were an Operation Gladio disguised as a Red Brigade type thing, or whether in fact, and I'm not saying there wasn't communist organizations, clearly there are.

56:05 But what I have learned extensively with this research is like the World Anti-Communist League and all of that other stuff. That was all a disguise for Operation Gladio coordination. So I just want everybody to take labeling of these people with a grain of salt.

56:33 With that, I am going to open it up for questions if anybody has anything. Anybody? Frog, you want to come up? I told everybody at the beginning before you got here that we were not going to...

57:00 go into the election thing, but I'm encouraging everybody to come to your space after we get done here. And that way we'll just keep this strictly operational Gladio. Okay. Yeah. No problem. Sorry. I was in the middle of meetings and cut my day short. I didn't realize how late it was when I got in here. But yeah, I just enjoy your spaces and listening to you and you just cover so much amazing stuff.

57:31 I apologize. I don't have more to contribute at the moment. I've got in here a little while ago and my phone's been ringing like crazy as I leave the office. I'm in my home office wanting to turn off my phone, but I can't yet. No problem. I just wanted to let you know. Cause I know some people, because I put that label up there had come in cause I'm sure they want to talk about it and I will come to your space to talk about it. I just didn't want to step on any toes. So Sharon, go ahead.

58:03 Hi, Colonel. I really appreciate your spaces. I've been listening for quite a while. I'm 77, so this is, you know, a whole new world opening up for me, which isn't good, but it's better to know than not know. But my question is, I don't have a question, but Cousin It and, oh gosh, I've already forgotten the name. Bridget. Bridget, yeah, have been putting stuff up in the nest.

58:35 which is great, but that does not stay with the space once you close it down. It disappears. If they put it in the bubble chat, then it will stay with the space so that people that read afterwards or come in to try to catch up will be able to access it. Okay. It is posted below as well. Yeah, I think she does both, but thank you for that.

59:06 OK, I didn't see it in the bubble chat. That's why I was because I was trying to madly check things. And I'm not I'm not a real fast reader. I mean, we didn't learn speed reading whenever I was growing up. We read it at the conversation rate. So anyway, thanks so much again. Appreciate you guys so much for what you're doing. You're welcome. And you got to keep Bridget honest. I want y'all on them.

59:41 so um yeah keep them hopping during this uh the show um with posting all this stuff so um sunshine go ahead i just wanted to tell sharon um

59:57 Honey, if you put down there on that little heart thing down there, you can save that in a folder, and you can even name it like Gladio, and you can save all those shows, and then you'll have reference to all those things that they put up there. Cool. Okay, thank you, because I'm just learning. I've been on here a couple of years, but mostly listening and trying to learn.

1:00:28 You can teach an old dog new tricks. So thank you. Yeah. Bridget tries to do that to me every day. It's very painful. I try. Let's see. Benjamin, you got anything for us? It's kind of loud here right now because I got all these babies laying around me. So they get too loud. I apologize.

1:00:57 It's always a lot of great information. I enjoy coming in and listening to your spaces. I can't explain how much easier it makes identifying things that are happening in real time.

1:01:12 Pipeline bombing of the Russian pipeline, things like that, missiles. It's too easy with the hidden hand and with the amount of resources that these people have to hide these things in plain sight. That's why it's important to me to get these type of people out of power. I agree. And I don't know if anybody's had a chance to go back and read the thread that I did today on the Bolivian one, but I did want to give Cousin Ed a shout out.

1:01:41 She did all of that research before I ever even logged on. So God bless her. And then basically all I had to do was pull all the pieces together and write the story. And it's very illustrative of how oftentimes as you're reading through the story.

1:02:05 you start looking at the attributes of the players and you go, well, he's definitely a Gladio guy or he's definitely an international syndicate guy. And then once you get all of the information put together, there's shades of gray on some of the people and exactly what role they played. Some of them, it's just as clear as day. And I forget what her name was, but...

1:02:34 In between of the two presidents, you had the one female that was the president of the Senate that then elevated herself into the presidency once they cued Morales and the former prime minister. Not the one that's in the office right now. That's a third guy. But you can look at her background and you know immediately she was groomed to do exactly what she did.

1:03:04 I think they thought that if they could get her in under a coup, that she would win re-election as an incumbent, but she did not. The guy that's in there now did. And he has opened the door to BRICS. He's opened the door to Cuba. He's done everything that pisses off the international syndicate located in Washington, D.C. And you see the eventual coup.

1:03:34 that occurs. So I provided as much detail as we could on the situation, but absolutely. And I don't know if you guys have noticed, but they seem to be picking up. There has been quite a few attempted coups as well as coups in just like the last two to three months. It's almost like they're getting really, really desperate.

1:04:02 which I think is a really, really good sign. Because I think the more, and Steller has said this probably the best, I think the more people, countries start associating with BRICS, the more desperate these people are going to be to coerce people back into their corner.

1:04:30 And I honestly believe that as that happens, the elevation of awareness is going to be huge. Go ahead, Frogger. I just wanted to go with what you were saying. So I'm hearing a lot of these people and people that I respect that do not understand what happened with Trump with his capitulation tour. And now all this stuff lined up and all these nations are now a team.

1:04:59 So you're hearing these military people, and I won't say these prominent people's names because I respect them. They're like, oh, the BRICS nations and this and that. That is the direction of freedom for every country in the world to have their own nationalistic idea of being partners based on what they bring to the table and not the influence of the petrodollar and the blackmail of our currency and our CIA and our military and all the Gladio stuff that we see. BRICS frees us of Gladio. It frees Australia.

1:05:29 Well, we have to invade Canada, probably. But it frees these countries of these leaders who are being propped up by us. And so, you know, everyone's so scared of, you know, BRICS and digital assets. But the truth is, asset-backed currencies are going to free Africa. It's going to free everyone. So I'm going to take issue with just one aspect of that.

1:05:55 I don't think we're going to have to invade anybody because what's going to happen. I know. I know. I'm just I'm just kind of tongue in cheek saying this. If you if you take everything that you just said and everything that Stellar tells us every day and combined it, what you just said was exactly what the United States did to Nicaragua by mining their harbor. We by by by setting up bricks.

1:06:25 You are creating a virtual mining of the harbor, and these countries are not going to tolerate the gorilla in the room any longer. And they will be isolated the way they've isolated others. Yeah, and all the countries of Africa. I mean, Gaddafi set the stage, and that's why he was killed. He created the African Union.

1:06:57 The gold, the bronze, and the silver dinar, they were already off of the dollar standard and were trading in euros, just like Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Those are facts. They were already approved to do that. And so Trump just went around and said, hey, you're free. India, China, Russia, you know. Right.

1:07:18 South Africa. I mean, all the BRICS nations of Brazil came here and they had a summit. I think that's why they got rid of the leader they had there because of the movement of freedom. Yeah, I agree. Guru, go ahead. Yeah, good afternoon. I think it is, folks. We just got, we've been up for a few hours here in Australia. But yeah, Colonel, we had some people looking at, good to see you again. Hi, Trump. How are you going, Bridge?

1:07:46 Yeah, good to see you again. How's Australia? We've done a bit of research, and then I've just lost my father and a few other things. Colonel Towner, so it's been a bit of a hectic. Oh, look, that's fine. He was 92, mate. I'm happy where he is now. But, yeah, so it's been a bit of a hectic. But we started to look into what you told us, Rio Tinto, and a few other things. But I'm just wondering if you know any more or any extra, or do I need to go and re-

1:08:13 re-circumvate what we were doing and get it together for you, Colonel. We're just wondering about Australia and what you've done on it, which is probably nothing because you're busy on everything else. But, yeah, we are interested in Australia and how it happened in Australia. You've told us Rio Tino. We have done a little bit of research. That was four or five weeks ago, and I'd have to, as I said, go back over now and grab it all. But, yeah.

1:08:40 Any more thoughts on Australia or do you know anything else, Colonel? I do know that one of your prime ministers was basically gotten rid of. I came across that last week. I have it marked somewhere. I won't be able to find it right now. But if you can be with me on. Well, I know it's in the middle of night for you, right? No noon. Is the evening better for you guys? Look, if for something like that, I'd probably get up anyway, Colonel Towner.

1:09:10 Yeah, look, depending on, yep. If you can show up at noon East Coast time in the U.S. on Monday, I will have, because we went through Nugent Hand, the bank that was in Australia. Yeah, okay. Okay, Nugent Hand. Yeah.

1:09:36 And the assassination of Nugent and his dealings with the money laundering from all of the drugs that was going on in Vietnam. So that all came up, not in our midday. I was dealing with that on one of my Alpha Warrior shows. And so when I was investigating Nugent Hand, kind of doing a much deeper dive than I had in the past.

1:10:06 There was a whole bunch of unrest that was going on while Nugent Hand was in operation down there because Hand, who was a Green Beret CIA operative, was involved in agitating and creating a whole bunch of turmoil.

1:10:29 doing a soft coup like they did to Trump here with one of your prime ministers. I just don't recall his name off the top of my head. Yeah, well, Nugent Hand, that was what, late 70s, 80s? Am I correct there? Yeah, I think it was 80. Let me look up real quick when Nugent got killed, because right after Nugent got killed, they closed the bank because it went bankrupt because the entire thing was a scam.

1:10:59 I do remember that. But, yeah, you've only just, like, sparked my memory. I never even, yeah, thought of that news in hand. But, anyway, we will look into it. And, yeah, I'll get hold of my girl and we'll get back on the case and then we'll see what we can't do. But, yeah, I'll do my best to make it there. That's my Tuesday. And you're saying Eastern. What city are you talking about there? East Coast time. East Coast time, noon, 12, in the middle of the day. Yeah, but a city to look up on the time thing.

1:11:29 Miami. Miami. Thank you very much. Oh, and cousin, I didn't mean to jump in here, but cousin, it just sent me a link for you and I'll post it up in the nest. It'll take me a minute. OK, so Nugent Hand was murdered in 1980 and then shortly after that, the bank went bankrupt. But yeah, it's it's a it's a crazy story.

1:11:59 And also, those people were all money laundering with Castle Bank, which happened to be Paul Halliwell's bank in the Caribbean. And then Paul Halliwell was involved in everything during that time. So anyway. Thank you. Thanks for the update.

1:12:21 We'll get back onto it. And, yeah, I'll try and get there at 2 a.m. on Tuesday, Australian time, and have a listen. I'll do my best. And then, yeah, obviously we can talk. But, yeah, we'll get back onto the Australian side. Thank you again for that bit more information, Colonel. Hey, Guru. Hey, Colonel. The Nugent broke up in 1980. It's in Chapter 4 of Penny Lerno's In Bank Suite Trust book. That's another great resource on this. That was printed in 84. Yeah.

1:12:51 So he died on January 27th, 1980. And like within two months, the bank had just imploded because it was all fake. Everything about that bank was fake. Han, who was, like I said, a CIA agent, he eventually gets found. He's living in Idaho. He has a company that he sells to the military, like knives, like kind of Bowie knives type.

1:13:19 Um, but he is in military. Um, he, he sells them directly to the department of defense and to, um, private security. Um, and they acted like for, you know, decades, they didn't know where he was at. He's using the same social security number. He's always had the CIA and the FBI knew exactly where he was at. Um, but they allowed him to hide out in Australia wanted because they, they basically embezzled all of the people's money. Um,

1:13:46 in Australia that actually banked with them thinking they was a real bank. And they all got screwed when they, so they wanted Hand extradited back to Australia and the US government refused to extradite him to hold him accountable. They've never found who assassinated Nugent. He did not commit suicide.

1:14:07 He was like shot on the opposite side of his head from whatever hand he actually used. Everything about it was garbage. He had William Colby's business card on him at the time he was murdered, which was the CIA director. And the entire bank, if you look at the board of directors, they were all senior military officers that had been involved in the drug trade.

1:14:35 Where they opened their branches, like Chiang Mai in Thailand, known drug capital. Singapore, known drug capital. Thailand, known drug capital. They had a branch of Nugent Han in every place that they would be taking suitcases of cash to for the sale of drugs. That's what the entire thing was set up to do.

1:15:02 But their board of directors is a real eye opener. So thank you very much. You've given me a bit to do there. OK, thanks. Sure. Yeah. And unfortunately, all of those general officers and the admirals that were involved in that bank. I mean, it's just it's dirty. It's disgusting. But anyway. OK, so if we don't have any other.

1:15:33 questions. I'm going to go ahead and close our space and then we will wait till Frogger opens his and we'll chit chat about the whatever that shit show that happened last night. Because that was not in any way a debate. That was so bad. I can't even imagine living overseas as an American.

1:16:00 having something like that in the international media. I just can't. I mean, I lived through some shenanigans overseas where people look at you like, what the hell is going on back in the States? But nothing like what has happened over the last few years. Absolutely nothing. I can't even imagine it. But anyway. All right. So we're going to sign off. Go ahead. That was torture. I watched it for a good long time. That was torture.

1:16:30 That was awful. I mean, let's not spoil our appetite for the Trump for Trump frog space. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Are you going to do this right after Trump? Yeah, he is. He said he was. All right. Well, let's let's wait for him to get back to us and tell us that he's setting it up and then we can. All right. Over there. Hey, Frogger. Frogger, are you still there?

1:16:59 One question. Did anybody play bingo or drinking games or anything fun while it was going on, at least? We're not talking about it until we restart a new space. I do wish I would have had on my bingo card the idea that just that phrase, the idea that you did this, the idea that I kept doing that on Sally's.

1:17:26 podcast that she did every time he said it i had to retype it the idea that you think this the like he was indignant about something i'm like shut up but anyway i think we lost frogger um so maybe he's setting up shall we retile the space then and continue here um yeah

1:17:51 No, I'm going to go ahead and go off because I know he's going to do it. And we'll just wait till he gets his up. So thanks for being here. We'll see you on Monday at noon, guys.

Entities here

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Claims made here

Hans Otto member_of Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 4:21

“Just jibber jabbering, just like full confession. He explained that he had been involved in Nazi type activities and that it was basically a secret, but it was supported by the state and it was operat…”

Reinhard Gehlen headed BND book_quoted ▶ 5:54

“with Conrad Adenauer. And Adenauer is the guy that hired SS General Galen to be his chief of intel, who was basically in charge of this secret force. So he's definitely going to get some attention her…”

Konrad Adenauer appointed Reinhard Gehlen book_quoted ▶ 5:54

Reinhard Gehlen founded BND book_quoted ▶ 10:28

“worked under initials ORG, like for Organization Galen. The new intel body was established in 1946 by SS General Reinhard Galen. This unit of the former Nazi state was, basically, he's trying to say t…”

BND front_for CIA book_quoted ▶ 10:59

“that it was working directly with the United States government. The ORG was basically attached to the CIA as far as reporting goes, because quickly it became apparent that Galen did not do anything wi…”

Erhard Peters member_of Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 11:29

“basically talk up the connections that they had in the past with the Nazis. One of the leaders was called a night hunter. He was also referred to as the wing commander, and his name was Erhard Peters,…”

CIA funded Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 12:29

“Authoritative officials, Code, Pentagon, and CIA, privately confirmed today that the U.S. had sponsored and helped finance the secret training of young Germans, including many former soldiers, to beco…”

Andreas Baader founded Red Army Faction book_quoted ▶ 16:58

“B-A-A-D-E-R, and Eureike Meinhof, M-E-I-N-H-O-F, formed an organization called the Red Army Faction. And this is the one I want to spend a little bit of time talking about, because this is very import…”

Ulrike Meinhof founded Red Army Faction book_quoted ▶ 16:58

Gudrun Ensslin member_of Red Army Faction book_quoted ▶ 17:28

“Popularly, it was known as the Bada-Meinhof Gang. The founders included Gudrun, and I'll spell his last name, E-N-S-S-L-I-N, and Horst Mahler, M-A-H-L-E-R, who, between them, composed the royal family…”

Horst Mahler member_of Red Army Faction book_quoted ▶ 17:28

Yves Guérin-Sérac founded Aginter Press book_quoted ▶ 22:23

“Yves-Garin Seurat, the Frenchman who goes to Portugal and sets up a gender press, was actually helping set up many of the organizations in Germany. And it said during a group sojourn by the founders a…”

Peter Homann spied_on Red Army Faction book_quoted ▶ 22:50

“PLO training camp in Jordan, saying this group was actually taken to a terrorist training camp in Jordan, that one participant by the name of Peter Homan, H-O-M-A-N-N, began to appear suspicious and h…”

Yves Guérin-Sérac trained Red Army Faction book_quoted ▶ 22:50

Red Army Faction carried_out_attack Hans-Martin Schleyer book_quoted ▶ 25:16

“Germany experienced a total crackdown on their civil liberties, reminiscence of 1984. The trigger was a kidnapping on 5 September 1977 of Hans Martin Slayer, S-C-H-L-E-Y-E-R, who was one of the most w…”

Operation Gladio covered_up Hans-Martin Schleyer book_quoted ▶ 30:52

“was nothing of the kind. The authorities knew all along that Slayer was to be kidnapped and where. What followed was the deliberate dragging of feet. Slayer was first taken to an apartment in a pretty…”

Jos Wilmes carried_out_attack Luxembourg bombings book_quoted ▶ 36:22

“Josh Wilms, W-I-L-M-E-S, and Marco Scheer, S-C-H-E-E-R, are alleged to have carried out the bombings with two others, now deceased, colleagues. The alleged aim of the bombings was to achieve increased…”

Brigade Mobile Grand-Ducale member_of Jos Wilmes book_quoted ▶ 36:22

Marco Scheer carried_out_attack Luxembourg bombings book_quoted ▶ 36:22

Brigade Mobile Grand-Ducale member_of Marco Scheer book_quoted ▶ 36:22

NATO funded Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 36:52

“While the prosecution has sought to prove that the two elite policemen were behind the attacks, the defense has argued that those responsible were actually in NATO. The involvement of NATO in the bomb…”

NATO funded Luxembourg bombings book_quoted ▶ 36:52

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Bologna massacre book_quoted ▶ 37:21

“It has been established in court that the attack on the main train station in Bologna in 1980, which left 85 dead, was carried out by Gladio. Unlike in Italy, there are no fatalities resulting from th…”

Robert Beaver covered_up Munich Oktoberfest bombing host_asserted ▶ 38:49

“and described their every movement. Even more remarkable is the fact that the perpetrators were never caught, despite all of the clues and statements by witnesses. According to a state attorney, Rober…”

NATO founded Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 39:17

“by elements of the security apparatus, which is exactly patterns, guys, patterns. Suspicion that NATO stay-behind units were involved in the attacks had already emerged at an earlier date. The organiz…”

Licio Gelli headed P2 Masonic Lodge host_asserted ▶ 40:43

“Gelli was the head of the P2 Lodge in Italy, which included in its ranks hundreds of paramilitary, military business media mafia. The lodge had close links to Gladio and its strategy of tension. The i…”

P2 Masonic Lodge front_for Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 40:43

John Kramer carried_out_attack Munich Oktoberfest bombing book_quoted ▶ 41:11

“Andres Kramer confirmed that his father, John Kramer, was an officer in General Galen's BND and that he coordinated stay-behind units between Germany, Switzerland, and the Benelux countries. According…”

Rudy Walther funded Operation Gladio book_quoted ▶ 44:54

“Rudy Walther acknowledged that the money has always been granted to the stay-behinds. So they're actually talking, I mean, out in the open that they funded it. Since then, a number have uncovered clue…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Munich Oktoberfest bombing host_asserted ▶ 44:54

Bayer Kohler member_of Christian Social Union book_quoted ▶ 45:23

“immediately after the bombing, the official version claimed that there was a lone assassin, which they all do. And they had no political background at all. But it is now known that Kohler had close co…”

Operation Gladio carried_out_attack Hanau shooting host_asserted ▶ 47:28

“these people were going to be taken out. So I'm going to send that one to Bridget as well. And then I'm going to move on to this other one. One of the shootings that they also chalked up to Operation …”

Red Brigades front_for Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 53:48

“create, and in large part because, again, so much research was done in Italy, they basically created, they tracked back to the people that set up the Red Brigade. They set it up basically as a cloakin…”

World Anti-Communist League front_for Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 56:05

“But what I have learned extensively with this research is like the World Anti-Communist League and all of that other stuff. That was all a disguise for Operation Gladio coordination. So I just want ev…”

Muammar Gaddafi founded African Union host_asserted ▶ 1:06:25

“You are creating a virtual mining of the harbor, and these countries are not going to tolerate the gorilla in the room any longer. And they will be isolated the way they've isolated others. Yeah, and …”

Nugan Hand Bank laundered_money_for John Nugan host_asserted ▶ 1:09:36

“And the assassination of Nugent and his dealings with the money laundering from all of the drugs that was going on in Vietnam. So that all came up, not in our midday. I was dealing with that on one of…”

Paul Helliwell headed Nugan Hand Bank host_asserted ▶ 1:11:59

“And also, those people were all money laundering with Castle Bank, which happened to be Paul Halliwell's bank in the Caribbean. And then Paul Halliwell was involved in everything during that time. So …”

Nugan Hand Bank laundered_money_for Paul Helliwell host_asserted ▶ 1:11:59