Bank of Credit and Commerce Finale with War Hamster

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0:00 Welcome to the big finale of exposing BCCI and its grip on the U.S. government and abroad. We're here today with Warhamster Brady to my reformed Wall Street banker friend who is going to help us break down the rest of the story, if you will. How did this all end? We spent the last...

0:30 few sessions going through what it was, how big it was. And we're going to look at kind of the pinning up at the end and how that all unfolded. So Brady, do you have any comments before we get started? No, just looking forward to it. I think this is the fifth episode we've done on this one. I think so. Yeah. I think it was first of all, we thought we'd get it done in about two. And when you get deep enough down this hole, I guess.

0:59 There's so much. We're still not going to cover everything that needs to be covered, but I'm looking forward to this. So kind of just as a broad overview, I believe that in the upcoming year, most of what we've been covering for the last year in the intricate web of CIA operations, especially once Radcliffe gets in place and the intricate opium.

1:29 Network, weapons trafficking, human trafficking, and the financial support necessary in order to make that whole wagon wheel roll down the road with the blackmail piece of it in place as well is going to be huge. I think we're going to see the Epstein stuff, the Diddy stuff, which is the grease that keeps the wheel moving, the blackmail piece of it. But there's no better example.

1:58 of the banking infrastructure necessary to make that entire network operate than BCCI. Would you agree with that? Yeah, it's a predecessor. Obviously, something took its place. Something stepped into the vacuum. We know what that is. You bring up an interesting point. You get a good Radcliffe then at CIA, who should be a great pick. I thought he did a pretty good job with declassification when he was a temporary DNI.

2:27 Still not quite sure what Trump's going to do with the FBI, but the stories we're hearing, there's an awful lot of paper shredding going on in D.C. right now. And one thing I will tell you is, you know, when it comes to banking, there is always a trail. There's always a paper trail. You cannot shred it enough. It will come out unless it's covered up. A cover up has got to be done at a very high level. And that's kind of what we're going to be talking about today with BCCI. But it is something to look forward to.

2:56 Who's doing the shredding? Who's going to be doing the obstructing? Because there's going to be embedded people trying to keep the truth from coming out. And I think you'll be exposing them and see where those rabbit trails lead. That's a very good entrance into what we're going to cover today. So basically, we were working through the outlaw bank.

3:21 which is a wild ride into the secret heart of BCCI. It was written by Jonathan Beatty and S.C. Gwen that were authors of much of the material that appeared in the press back in the early 90s as they were exposing BCCI. And I want to just share a couple of their.

3:46 thoughts as we get in. And I know you have an article that you're going to be highlighting throughout the show as well, that was written because they were, at the time, time reporters, which in and of itself, I find amazing, because we know time and life both worked on behest of the CIA in many cases. But that doesn't negate the fact that they actually did produce solid journalism.

4:16 when it was allowed to occur. Yeah, Time and Life, I mean, we've brought this up before, but it bears repeating. The founder of Time and Life was a guy by the name of Henry Luce, L-U-C-E, I forget, I don't know how to pronounce it, who's also an alumni of Skull and Bones and very much, well, you know, Time Magazine's man of the year, what, two times was Adolf Hitler. And, you know, he's got some, well, he runs in some very interesting circles.

4:45 And his wife shows up in Operation Gladio as the Italian working for the State Department in Italy at the very beginnings of Operation Gladio, which we know was, you know, just because of the exposure Operation Gladio being revealed in Italy, that she was intricately involved in using CIA money to sway elections inside of Italy.

5:15 So the two of them together was all part of this entire network. Yeah. And of course, loose being skull and bones. Some of the people he hung around with were, of course, the Prescott Bushes, the Sullivan and Cromwell people, which would be, of course, the Dulles brothers. So there's not a whole lot of coincidences going on there. Correct. So we get into just as a reminder, the bank was set up in the early 1970s. The exposure was coming in around the 19.

5:44 early 1990s, about 20 years into their operation. And basically, during that entire time, there are exposures happening throughout the lifespan of BCCI. But every time this exposure happened, it was quickly hushed up.

6:04 And it was covered up by the DEA. It was covered up by the CIA. It was covered up by the FBI. It was covered up by the White House during all of the administrations in the 1970s, which would include Nixon. It would include Ford. It would include Reagan, Jimmy Carter. So we need to keep that in mind as we're going through. And we're at the end of Bush's term from 88 to 92. And in 92 is when it all began to unravel.

6:34 So just keep that in your mind as we're going through this finale episode. So it definitely shows complicity in all of those administrations. That's the point I want to make. So basically, towards the end of Reagan's, throughout all of Bush's, this BCCI starts.

6:57 It's like the moon. It starts growing bigger and bigger as you go through the lunar cycle. And by 1988, there was so much known at the highest reaches of government that undercover customs agents were risking their lives to learn less about BCCI than all of the top administration officials knew at that time.

7:23 So this is from 1988 to 92. They are still pursuing drug lords. They're still pursuing weapons traffickers, all while our government is in bed with the money laundering and the CIA is orchestrating those operations. So you have customs people risking their lives. Some of them died. FBI agents being put in harm's way as they investigate leads that our government knew.

7:52 was all part of this criminal syndicate. So that's very important to understand. Not only were they just silent, but many of them blocked further inquiry as these officers in customs and securities and the SEC, which we mentioned earlier before the show started, all of these people were looking into things when our government already knew all of it.

8:22 If the president's advisors had been aware for years that BCCI illegally owned and controlled major U.S. banks and that BCCI was laundering drug money through its Miami and New York officers, there was absolutely no orders to shut this operation down. As a matter of fact, there was orders given to cover it up. One point I would bring up is it was not just the United States that was covering it up. Regulators around the world.

8:53 were basically turning a blind eye, England in particular. Lloyd's of London, a big insurance company, had insured a number of properties that were going to go under because of BCCI. So they did their own investigation and tried to pass the information on to the Department of Justice for years and got absolutely no return calls. In fact, I got a quote here on that. It's from Alan Friedman of the Financial Times.

9:18 He says Morgenthau told him that witnesses and British officials were being told by the DOJ not to cooperate. Well, what's interesting about that is we know that the entire operation was ran out of London and not one time did anybody in London try to hold BCCI accountable. That man showed up to work, Abedi, the guy that was supposedly the CEO of the bank overall. He showed up to work every day in London.

9:44 And not a single thing was done by British officials to ever hold him accountable. And we talked about that a little bit, why they went to what's called the euro dollar system back at that time. U.S. regulators weren't regulating anything in London because it's offshore. And British regulators weren't doing anything with the euro dollar because it's not the British pound. They had no jurisdiction over the dollar. That allowed this whole incredible amount of money to exist in an unregulated.

10:14 not even shadow marker, but right out in the open. Correct. And that kind of, to me, is the big foot stomper here. Robert Gates would refer to this entire operation as the bank of crooks and criminals, and he did so out loud. And he did so three years before the official scandal broke, which reflects the inside Washington, D.C.

10:41 paparazzi knowing everything about this bank and not doing anything. The real question is why, why no one saw fit to tip off the federal reserve, which I argue they knew. I think in large part, this book is kind of a coverup to shield them from as if they had no knowledge. There's no way. And let me just say this and you can correct me if I'm wrong, which I know you will. If you have a central bank of,

11:10 In the United States, their job is to and you have a 20 billion dollar international bank operating inside the United States. Their job is to know that their job is to protect their investment. Right. So how do you can you explain to me how the Federal Reserve would not know?

11:42 that number one, BCCI exists, why they exist, and the fact that they're in the U.S. market. Well, before they had purchased United States banks, it was a lot easier for an international bank or an offshore bank to, you know, basically, they don't really have to show all their books to the Federal Reserve. They're not doing banking business on U.S. territory. It was when they purchased the U.S. banks that the Federal Reserve better have known every single thing that goes through. And there's a paper trail like you wouldn't believe.

12:11 Banks have to fill out so many reports, and you see the patterns. If your loans, you know, your reserve ratios, if they start going awry, the Federal Reserve knows it immediately. Prior to getting the U.S. banks, BCCI was basically using Pakistani with script. I forget. I don't even know how to say it the way they do. Their books were absolutely unintelligible to an English speaker. So the Federal Reserve had, you know.

12:38 But then again, BCCI wasn't doing traditional banking in the U.S. soil, so it didn't matter. It was when they purchased U.S. banks illegally with political help and some really interesting side deals. That's when the Federal Reserve should have known just about immediately. And they should have actually banned the transaction in the first place. OK, so you've made my point. And that's why I tell my audience all the time when we do these book reviews that.

13:07 You have to know all of this other stuff out here so you can see the agendas of the authors of books. So throughout this book, one of the very apparent agendas, because we were just talking, this book was written by Time Life writers, right? Time Life was in bed with the CIA. So this is going to have a slant.

13:35 The trick is deciding what your slant is because they always have one. And to me in here, when you go through all of the material, this is a CYA for the Federal Reserve. This was in every way, in every chapter, there's some mention of the Federal Reserve having the wool pulled over its eyes.

13:58 That's why I immediately, when I got done with this book, I picked up the phone and I said, Brady, we've got to do this. We've got to do this series. We need to talk about BCCI and why that slant in the book is nonsensical. You bring up a really good point about the slants in a book. I'll give you a really good example. Woodward and Bernstein wrote a book called All the President's Men. It was about the Watergate scandal. Basically, they made themselves out to be brave storytellers.

14:27 who were able to just do the dirty work on the street to figure out, unravel this entire mystery of what actually happened with Watergate. Well, now that we know what we know now, that's not exactly even remotely the case. Correct. We're getting this fed by people that had political axes to grind against Nixon, et cetera, and very likely our intelligence agencies. Who was Deep Throat? It came out that he was an FBI guy, right? Yeah.

14:56 But if you read the book like I did the first time as a teenager, you have an impression that, you know, one thing. And then as an adult, you find out how the world really works. Go back and reread the book. This is just utter nonsense. How did I ever believe it? And that is very interesting because I share that same thing. I have like 500 books in a library, all nonfiction. And when I got off on this track, which I have like 72 books on this subject alone now.

15:26 I have periodically went back and pulled one of those books off the shelf and you begin looking at it and you're like, what? Because now none of it makes any sense. And there are so many holes like Condoleezza Rice's biography, McNamara's biography. I have all of them. And because that's what we read. We had a.

15:48 chief of staff's reading list in the military for the Air Force. And like every quarter, they'd come out with like 10 or 15 books. And that's what the recommended reading was. And so most of those, they're all nonfiction. And most of those books I have in my shop. But it's a brainwashing, if you will. This is the story we want you to know. Not the real story, a story.

16:16 Yeah, I'm just thinking while you're talking about this, all the books I read about Wall Street CEOs and all the great traders and everything like that. And I wonder if I would actually put that same critical thought to that, how much more BS I could uncover. A heaping pile of it. All right. So between 1979 and 1991, federal law enforcement agencies received more than 700 tips about BCCI's criminal enterprise.

16:44 According to Congressman, now this is hilarious because remember, this book is old. According to Congressman Charles Schumer. Sounds familiar. Final 1992 report for the House Subcommittee on Crime and Criminal Justice. Chuck Schumer is the one that reported that there were over 700 tips in 1992.

17:15 about BCCI's criminal activity. Just let that simmer for a second. The guy who said that the CIA can get you seven ways to Sunday to Trump has looked at all of the criminal activity of the CIA as a House of Representative member. And then, you know, what, 90, I don't do math in public, 30 years later, is basically telling the president that

17:44 He's been in Congress the entire time and never did anything to hold the CIA accountable, and he knows how corrupt they are. So, again, let that sink in. Yeah, that's an interesting question. I don't know if we've talked about this on the air before, but it's important that when you start talking about the CIA and oversight, that started after the Church Committee, which is basically 1975, right when all this stuff was happening.

18:09 We've got a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and a House Permanent Subcommittee on Intelligence. Those came after the Church Committee, so basically 79-80, right before this period of time we're talking about. And we also know that's where a lot of the, shall we say, shenanigans during the Trump administration got buried in the House Committee, especially the SSCI, which is the number one reason why I do not trust Marco Rubio, because he was sitting on that. But I digress.

18:38 To me, they must have the insiders of the deep state, whatever you want to call it. I think they had to put their favorite senators and congressmen as chairs of those committees from day one for the specific purpose of obfuscating or keeping the truth from ever coming out because it never has. Exactly. It's not oversight. What it is, it's basically cover up. That's exactly what I was going to say. Their oversight is a trick word for cover up.

19:07 So the tips covered almost all of BCCI's actual lines of business to include weapons, drugs, and human trafficking. It included political shenanigans in Pakistan to include smuggling arms from Pakistan to Syria, Iran, and Libya to financing terrorist groups and organizing crime.

19:36 inside the United States and Italy. It also said, quote, at the very least, there was nobody putting together all of the pieces. You could make a credible case that somebody told them not to do anything about BCCI, unquote. That was Schumer's report saying that. There's a really similar quote that I had pulled up.

20:04 From Jack Bloom, who was John Kerry's chief investigator until 1989. He's talking about the lack of cooperation. He says it was so pervasive and so successful in frustrating his efforts to investigate BCCI that he now believes, shocker here, that it was part of a deliberate strategy. Says Bloom. This is on the record, he says this. There's no question in my mind that it's a calculated effort inside the federal government to limit the investigation.

20:31 The only issue is whether it's a result of high level corruption or if it's designed to hide illegal government activities. Well, that's not or. So William Casey had something to do with the immunity BCCI enjoyed. Casey died in 1987. General Zia, who was in charge in Pakistan.

20:58 and also contributed to the immunity that Abedi had inside of Pakistan, was murdered in his aircraft being blown up in August of the next year. So within 12 months of each other, the two people that was basically covering for BCCI, both in the United States and Pakistan, are eliminated. And who's got the ability to do that? The CIA. Yeah.

21:28 And what those are tied to is the Soviets withdrawal from Afghanistan. That's the exact timing in which when so their network to do all of this was basically with the money being funneled from us into Pakistan, supposedly into Afghanistan. That was money laundering. That money did not ever get to Afghanistan.

21:55 If you go back and you look at the weapons that were actually being delivered to Afghanistan, they were old Soviet weapons from Bulgaria and some of these off market Albania, all of the Eastern Europe, former Soviet. So the CIA was taking money from us, our taxpayers. And I'm talking just the appropriated, not the covert money. They were taking money from us out of the budget, sending it to Pakistan, supposedly,

22:25 to get to Afghanistan to buy them weaponry to resist the quote unquote Soviet invasion that they prompted to happen on purpose. So they could start this money trafficking, money laundering operation. And once that happened, all of these billions of dollars go flowing, just like every other military operation. Billions of dollars go flowing in there. And instead of using them for their Mujahideen, the Taliban and all that other stuff.

22:54 They take pennies on the dollar, go to Bulgaria, Romania, and they buy old Soviet weaponry. They deliver that to the Mujahideen, the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. And then they take the rest of the money and they use BCCI to launder that money. So people need to understand how that whole thing works. So as Afghanistan is drawing down.

23:21 And the money pipeline is going to go away because they already know that the Soviet Union is starting to withdraw. Mysteriously, all the people in charge start dying. So I just want to put that in context. We talked a little bit about how these quote unquote nonfiction books that we've read don't quite portray the entire truth. I was just as you were talking just then I'm thinking about Charlie Wilson's war.

23:48 They basically did a really good job of telling the official cover story of what was going on. That's what most of us believed. Yeah. Mujahideen were freedom fighters standing up against communism. Certainly weren't standing up for quote unquote democracy. Mujahideen were paid assassins trained by the CIA that was later trafficked into Albania, Serbia to break up the Yugoslavia country.

24:16 They were also trafficked into southern Chechnya. So everywhere you have these Muslim unrest, what you start finding is the Mujahideen. And a lot of the Mujahideen was not from Afghanistan. They recruited them from Kazakhstan and a lot of the former Soviet countries because they all spoke Russian.

24:45 And they were using them, training them. They labeled them as Mujahideen and they turned them into Al Qaeda. They turn them into ISIS. But it all originates from the same group of CIA trained terrorists. What's really interesting is where did the CIA learn that tactic from? Well, it's the British and what they did with the Muslim Brotherhood 50 years earlier. Correct. It's the exact same playbook.

25:14 This is why, and it's what Turkey did with the gray wolves. It's what a gender press did in Portugal. It's what the Gladio was in Italy. All of these things is to train terrorists, dress them up as somebody else and create havoc in order to justify your next military operation, to keep this ball rolling of stealing everybody's wealth, putting it into these military operations in order for them to get wealthy.

25:44 based on our blood and sacrifice. It makes me wonder if that playbook that's been so successful, are they doing it here domestically right now? Perhaps. There's a question in your chat I wanted to address if I could real quick. Sure. From SR711966, he says, what I want to know, is there any mechanism to make the Federal Reserve take action on criminal activity or do they pick and choose what to pursue? The Federal Reserve is

26:11 not a government entity. They cannot pursue criminal charges against anybody. What they can do is punish member banks, which is just about anybody in the financial system. If they detect criminal activity, they will refer to the Justice, FBI, or Treasury. Treasury can conduct criminal investigations. The Federal Reserve cannot. They are not a law enforcement agency. And that goes hand in hand with what we just said. The Federal Reserve saw the criminality and did nothing, which makes them complicit in it.

26:42 So, Abedi's usefulness as a hidden ally of American intelligence went away with the Soviets' withdrawal from Afghanistan. And before the years ended, Abedi himself had dropped out of sight. Now, I have read probably three different books that describe Abedi's sudden heart attack as not random.

27:15 that there are a lot of people out there that believe he was heart attacked by the CIA, but just didn't die. And as a result of that, because it occurred at the same time they took out Casey, the same time they took out Zia, he was supposed to go. He didn't go. Are you suggesting that the mythical heart attack gun that they actually admitted they had in congressional testimony actually exists? Yes, I am, since they showed us what it looked like.

27:46 If you guys haven't seen that testimony, it's back church committee. It's really worth looking up. Maybe we should show that next time, but you've got, I forget who it was. One of the CIA muckety mucks basically brought the, the heart attack is the one that told that was a part of the family jewel testimony. Yeah. Somebody's calling and threw me out of my thing. Hold on just a second. Let me bring that back up. You're using your notes on the phone.

28:23 My eyes are so shot, I can't read anything off my phone. I'm looking at getting one of those unplugged phones, the one that's supposed to be free of spyware, but it turns out they don't have text-to-computer yet. I would be useless if I had to text on my phone. I don't know how many hundreds of texts I go through a day, but if I couldn't type it on my laptop, I'd just be quiet. Everything would be a one-word response.

28:53 I don't know. This is so crazy. Yeah, I definitely need to do something to keep my computer from like going into the craziness when a phone call comes in, because especially using this rumble thing, the live chat.

29:23 it like goes into a bizarre little place that you can't find anything then. There we go. All right, I'm back. All right. I had a real quick anecdote. Yesterday I was on hold with tech support for about the 11th call in the last week trying to get something fixed. And on an hour-long conversation, I finally found a really good tech support person. She was smart. She was fixing it. She had me on hold. Another call comes in from my fiance.

29:52 And I answer real quick and say, is it important? Because I'm on hold with the tech support. So now you can call me back. And I went to flip it back over and drop those calls. And I'm back at the back of the queue. I didn't have another hour. So I still don't have that fixed. Yeah. I'm frustrated with phones. Yeah, you and me both. Since I lost my comm squadron, I'm totally dead in the water when it comes to communications. Okay. So BCCI, though it was a vert.

30:24 virtually imploding by 1988, remained a necessary middleman for much of the CIA's clandestine weapons deals and other foreign initiatives. Quote, BCCI wasn't finished in 1988. The source to the Time article that you was reading earlier, the source that they were using was a guy by the name of Condor. And he's telling them that, quote,

30:54 They were the only way that we could talk to certain folks, and they were the only vehicle available to some transactions. Who else could wire something together involving Saudi Arabia, China, Israel, and the U.S.? That vehicle was BCCI. In 1982, when BCCI took over financial general after a three-year struggle,

31:26 Hypothetical, let's just make believe that there was actually an agency that had ran a probe into BCCI. And let's just suggest the name of that agency is X. Agency X would have found it intriguing that the CIA neglected to tell the banking regulators who some of the purchasers really were. Based on what was known,

31:55 there were only two possibilities. Either one of the most influential banks in Washington, D.C. had just fallen into the hands of a criminal syndicate of foreign intelligence chiefdoms from Saudi Arabia, or an international bank of ill repute had just been allowed to buy into an American banking system illegally and over the objections, supposedly, of the Federal Reserve.

32:25 a basic background check on the shareholders like Kamal Atom or A.R. Khalil would have revealed all of their intelligence connections. And that single point right there tells me not only was the Federal Reserve complicit, that they knowingly went along and did nothing.

32:51 Had investigators from Agency X looked at BCCI in 84 or 85, they would have discovered the bank's relationship with the CIA. A bet he had by then came to be an ally in William Casey's crusade against the quote unquote evil empire. When Senator Paula Hawkins visited Pakistan in 1984 and upset their apple cart by confronting General Zia with her knowledge,

33:21 that a Pakistani bank was laundering money out of Miami and the Cayman Islands. Both the State Department and the Justice Department covered it up. The reasons are obvious. Had the senator been helped with her probe, which she did investigate it to her credit, she might have uncovered the massive money laundering being run by BCCI through the Cayman Miami Tampa nexus.

33:49 That would have led her to Panama and Manuel Noriega, who happened to be on the CIA's payroll at the time. But the Afghan civil war, not a civil war, the CIA war was heating up and the CIA was bent on U.S. foreign policy to their own end. After 86, an investigation of BCCI would have veered into the most dangerous political.

34:19 landfield minefield of the Reagan Bush era Iran Contra because BCCI was at the heart of all of the deals for Iran Contra all of the money that went to buy the missiles through Israel into Iran went through BCCI all of the money laundering for the drugs out of South America

34:44 BCCI. BCCI was at the heart of everything about the supposed money going into Iran that was going to free hostages over in Lebanon. All BCCI. So through the scandal, Bush, Bush's reelection campaign, he weathered the many allegations of his involvement.

35:08 insisting that he had not been in the loop on the Iranian Arms for Hostage initiative or the covert support of the rebel forces in Nicaragua. His statements were flatly contradicted the week before November 1992 election when the Iran Contra, this is hilarious, special prosecutor released part of the former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger's diary. This is their October surprise.

35:37 which revealed that Bush, in a critical meeting, voted to send Iran tow missiles in exchange for hostages. The potentially damaging evidence in those notes did not, however, prevent George Bush from issuing a full pardon on Christmas Eve of 1992 to Casper Weinberger and five other Reagan administration officials who had been convicted of lying or withholding information from Congress. Special Prosecutor Lawrence Waltz.

36:07 was furious at the pardons and said that Bush, quote, had stopped the trial of a Confederate, unquote. But the fact was that the arms dealers, former military officers, and Middle Eastern hustlers like Oliver North, William Casey, Admiral Poindexter, and the National Security Council had recruited to promote the Nicaraguan rebellion and to arm Iranian extremists.

36:35 had all used BCCI services in some of their key operations. That's crazy. So these questions swirled around BCCI's role as a financier in both Saudi arms deals with Aden Khashoggi and Iranian middleman Manakar Ghorbanifar in the National Security Council's hidden arms swaps with the Iranians. It was a full partner.

37:09 in a number of arms deals with Khashoggi and at least five different deals with the United States and BCCI, providing bridge financing from Israel to Iran. According to the Kerry subcommittee summary report on BCCI, quote, Khashoggi's business manager, Emmanuel Floor, F-L-O-O-R, described Ghorbanifar

37:38 as stating, quote, these are my associates and writing down the name BCCI on a notepad, unquote. Floor described BCCI as acting not merely as Gobanifar's and Khashoggi's bank, but for the purpose of these transactions, they were actually a partner in the deal because they're basically the CIA. In 85, 86, and 87.

38:09 If an agency had been looking into this, they would have also discovered that two of the highest ranking officials in the Reagan administration knew about BCCI in detail. In 1985, the CIA sent Treasury Secretary Donald Reagan the damning report on BCCI via Douglas Mulholland. Damning because Reagan, who had sworn to uphold the nation's law, failed to take action and instead

38:38 hid the information. In 86 and 87, they would have also found that BCCI was closer than anyone could imagine to the White House in both Reagan and Vice President Bush. According to former National Security Council member Roger Robinson, the CIA delivered

39:08 two more detailed reports on BCCI to James Baker. And who followed Reagan? James Baker, right? If Robinson, if what Robinson says is true, there are far more at stake than just the appearance of malfeasance at the highest level. No one was closer to George Bush than James Baker because James Baker and him had been in business in Texas for a very, very long time.

39:38 They were business partners. He was a confidant. He was his campaign chairman and a cabinet officer in his administration. Any hint that Baker had early knowledge of BCCI's criminal side or the secret purchase of three American banks would raise the question and obviously implicate Bush at the very least.

40:01 Still, other liabilities arose from the National Security Council's involvement in this and the White House knowledge. Quote, we were aware that BCCI was involved in drug money transactions, said Norman Bailey, the national security economist who monitored all terrorism by tracking the movement of follow the money.

40:30 So it's absolutely no coincidence that CIA would be involved in international banking. If you go back to the founding of our intelligence agencies, almost all of the people, even back to the OSS days, the Dulles's, Wild Bill Donovan, these are all lawyers, but more specifically, they're international investment bankers. That is the very foundation of our intelligence agencies was international banking. That is what Alan and John Foster Dulles both did for a living.

40:59 during the 1930s and 20s and 30s, to be honest with you, and before they got brought into intelligence. And the reason that made sense is because when you're doing international investment banking, you're traveling around the world, you are meeting with a lot of high level financiers and low level people in low places that you would not want to regularly be associated with. The exact same kind of people that you're going to need in foreign countries to do subterfuge and other covert operations. Excellent point. Norman Bailey, the...

41:28 National Security Council economist goes on to say, quote, we were also aware that BCCI was involved in terrorism, technology transfer, including unapproved transfer of U.S. technology to the Soviet bloc, weapons deals and manipulation of financial markets and other activities, unquote. They would have also found different levels of knowledge about BCCI within the CIA.

41:56 Casey was very good at compartmentalizing their information, but the agency was using BCCI in connection with covert operations from England to Pakistan. Other elements of the agency were collecting information about Abedi and the bank's nefarious activities and forwarding them to Casey. Casey's off-the-books operations with BCCI was known to very few people inside the agency.

42:23 Although international weapons dealers say BCCI's role in providing private channels for weapons and even mercenaries for some of the world's intelligence agencies, including those in the United States, was well known around the world. U.S. governments for more than a decade were inhibited from looking into or arresting a Betty.

42:50 and closing his banks in the United States. One of the best examples occurred in 91, when the Justice Department should have been racing to build its case against the bank. That year, the U.S. was amassing an army in the Gulf, preparing to retake Kuwait from Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. The obvious problem was the prosecutorial trail led directly to Sheikh Zayed in Abu Dhabi.

43:17 and to King Fahd's intelligence agency and the head of the largest bank in Saudi Arabia and the financial investment officer to the royal family. So in other words, we have yet another reason why, and we saw this with the revealing of Operation Gladio, right, in 1990, which was the same day that April Gillespie...

43:45 basically authorized Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait. So this invasion and this desert storm happened at exactly the perfect time in order to put all of this stuff and just sweep it under the rug, which we know they do all the time. Yeah, and the timing's interesting. It's right as the Cold War is coming to an end and our foreign policy is shifting dramatically.

44:08 The CIA, you know, you've had the decade on from the Halloween massacre where Carter fired a thousand CIA agents. And we're shifting our entire foreign policy strategy from being completely CIA and Pentagon covert to using all these agencies, NGOs, et cetera. The CIA is now outsourcing a lot of its wet work for the first time. So the timing is interesting because.

44:36 You had to facilitate all the money to all these different NGOs as they're getting in place, Soros type organizations, everything else they use for the air quotes, color revolutions. You're shutting down the best mechanism for it. So my question for you before we wrap up is what took its place? Because the vacuum is created. Well, I don't even think they allowed the vacuum to happen.

45:01 So they already knew internally that because they had been working behind the scenes with the Soviet Union for the dismantling of the Soviet Union, they had already put their investment bankers in there to, quote unquote, privatize everything and steal it. So they're working in 1990 to disassemble and parcel out the and decide who's going to be oligarchs and who's not in internal to the Soviet Union. Right. So they're waiting.

45:30 to officially announce the implosion. It didn't get announced until 1991, as you just pointed out. So in the process of announcing that the thing that you've used as the boogeyman since 1945 is about to implode, in 1990, they had to create the next boogeyman. Well, how do you do that? Well, you go to war in the Middle East.

45:57 And then you tell everybody around the world that because we saved Kuwait, everybody in the Middle East hates us now. And they spent this whole story up. If you recall, let me remind you, that we were sold a story, not the story, that because the Saudi Arabians picked us, the virtuous United States, to go in and help them instead of their former citizen.

46:27 Osama bin Laden, everybody magically in all of the Middle East now hates the United States. We are the big devil to Israel's little devil. And as a result of this story that they spun, they now magically have radical Islam that they are going to substitute from the Soviet Union communist boogeyman.

46:54 to the new boogeyman, which is going to be Osama bin Laden and radical Islam. And just like that, overnight, we go to war, we create their scenario, and we're off to the races with a new boogeyman. We never even got a break in the action. There was no vacuum. And who did we go to war with? Oh, it was in Iraq that we had been arming for a decade to be a bulwark against Iran,

47:25 CIA miscreation. Well, first of all, let's back up. After World War II, we set up a king in Iraq. They didn't have a king. They got a king now. Then the CIA overthrew the king and installed Saddam Hussein. When Saddam Hussein...

47:45 Because the CIA, if they're going to install a dictator, they always have dictator number two waiting in the wings. They've already learned because of Manuel Noriega and Penashe and all these other people that eventually they're installed. And Batista, their installed dictator doesn't work out for long periods of time. They have to have another guy waiting in the wings. Right. So they had already started grooming. The CIA had.

48:12 The basically the guy that played the role of secretary of defense for Saddam Hussein to be his successor in case they had to off him, which they always do. So Saddam Hussein, unfortunately, though, outsmarts them this time. And he finds out he gets leaked information from some of his security forces that they're planning at some future date to use this guy as his replacement. He murders him, takes him off the board.

48:42 So you have a CIA installed dictator by the name of Saddam Hussein, who, as you said, in the 70s, we're arming and we're also arming Iran via Israel. So then in the 80s, we basically enticed both Iraq and Iran to go to war with each other using all of the oligarchs in the military industrial complex.

49:09 weaponry throughout NATO and everything else. So we're not only just arming Iraq at that point, we're shipping in the 1980s via Iran-Contra missiles and all kinds of technology shit through Israel into Iran. We're literally arming both sides. And who was at the heart of all of it? BCCI. And our government knew everything.

49:39 Yeah, there's an awful lot of George Bush fingerprints on all of that going back towards the beginning. So that's interesting that, you know, that was always part of his portfolio was that part of the world, the oil background. So let me get to this part since we are probably at I don't know how long you wanted to go, but I do want to get this part in because this is like the kicker of all of it. As Morgan.

50:06 Thal is getting his case together to begin prosecuting. You have the Department of Justice who real quick goes out and starts a very lame investigation with the thought that they're going to usurp Morgenthau's prosecution of BCCI. Now, Morgenthau's been at this for years at this point.

50:31 He's got secret confessions from Saudi officials that he flew in that was grand jury indicted. He's got this mountain of evidence against BCCI. And he did all of that while the Department of Justice was fighting him tooth and nail. They would not try to extradite anybody. As a matter of fact, I wrote down a couple of pieces. So they tried to extradite Abedi.

51:00 He's had a heart attack. He's hiding in Pakistan. During the time that he's hiding in Pakistan and Morgenthau is trying to build a case of his money laundering, we gave Pakistan $60 billion during the course of all of this time in military aid and U.S. State Department aid.

51:28 while they're harboring a fugitive that embezzled billions of U.S. dollars in these banks that they illegally purchased. So the U.S. government refuses to lean on Pakistan to extradite a buddy to stand trial in New York City. So let me just put that out there. While at the same time, you have the UAE.

51:53 who was home, as we know, to most of the money at the end being injected into BCCI, we gave them over $30 billion in U.S. aid and military aid. And at no time did they ever give us a single person out of BCCI leadership that went to hide in the UAE. And almost all of them went there to hide. So we need to say that. Then I want to say this.

52:24 The extent of, I don't know how you pronounce this guy's name, Gamal Mazru. I'm going to spell it. G-H-A-N-I-M. And his last name is A-L-M-A-Z-R-U-I's involvement has never been brought to the forefront. But he was very much involved with William Casey and the CIA. And he had...

52:52 to the president of the UAE. And as a result of that, Morgenthau wanted him to come testify. Unfortunately, what we found out later is a guy by the name of Sandy Martin, who was Zaid's, of UAE's, longtime U.S. lawyer, was...

53:21 the former National Security Advisor and consultant to the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff. So you just have to love how little this is. But the, so the, I'm trying to find my note of the name that was the guy that was at DOJ. So anyway, the DOJ does this kind of.

53:51 Delay, pause, everything. Then they try to get out in front of the New York City attorney, Morgan Thau, in the prosecution. But the DOJ, the attorney general, basically retires, gets relieved. And in walks William Barr. And do you know what William Barr does? William Barr tells the DOJ to stand.

54:21 that he will not interfere with Morgenthau. He is not going to usurp the New York City's DA in his case that had all of the evidence of BCCI. Now, that can be a good thing and a bad thing because there's only certain amount of things that a New York City DA can do to all of these people. So there could be some play there.

54:50 But the fact that he derailed what was obviously the CIA's intent was to jump ahead of Morgenthau, basically try them in a speedy trial with very few charges, get them convicted. And who I'm talking about is Clark Clifford and Altman, the real kind of criminals in this as far as the U.S. was concerned.

55:17 They're the ones that facilitated the buying of these banks in the U.S., which was criminal from the get-go. But the DOJ was going to basically try them and kind of set them aside so they couldn't do double jeopardy in New York City and just basically give them a slap on the wrist. And the guy that came in and stopped that was William Barr.

55:41 Think of you, whatever you want, think about him. But I did want to put that out, that he was the one that allowed Morgenthau, contrary to what everybody in the DOJ wanted to have happen and in the administration at the time, he stepped in and gave it back to Morgenthau. It's important to remember that Morgenthau is three generations deep of D.C. insider. I mean, his father was the secretary of the treasury for FDR.

56:09 He's the guy who invented the Social Security system. You know, he was there. He was the president of the Bretton Woods Conference where they created the IMF and the World Bank. And he's also, you know, I think I talked about this before. He also married to one of the Lehman Brothers founders' daughters. So this is a very much of an, Morgenthau is not an outsider. He knows the players involved. But he was the only one that tried to hold BCCI accountable.

56:37 Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I was going to give you one other blurb talking about the cover-up stuff, but it really fits into what you were just talking about. And this is from the same time article talking about the Lloyds of London. And I found the paragraph, so if I could read that real quick. Sure, absolutely. Lloyds of London, which is enmeshed in a racketeering lawsuit against BCCI, has fruitlessly made offers to provide evidence of bribery and kickbacks and has made repeated pleas to U.S. attorneys in Miami and New Orleans to seize BCCI records.

57:06 Lloyd's accuses BCCI of taking part in smuggling operations and falsifying shipping documents. Big surprise there. And boy, why would you want to falsify shipping documents if you're shipping arms all over? Yeah, the insurance underwriters, which would be which would Lloyd's of London is offered the results of their voluminous research into the bank's illegal activities. The Justice Department attorneys ignored the offers. So that's right there.

57:36 One other little factoid before you jump back in is that we're talking about why the Federal Reserve, you know, did they act or not act? So I pulled up the list of Federal Reserve chairmen and one of the three during this period of time, of course, you had Arthur Burns, who Nixon appointed from 1970 to 78. He was succeeded for almost two years by a guy by the name of William Miller. This is under Carter. Well, Carter has a huge shakeup in his staff. They weren't happy about Miller being aggressive enough about inflation.

58:06 The cabinet shuffles and Miller goes on to become the director of the treasury, treasury secretary from the Federal Reserve. So he had firsthand knowledge from two of the regulators. And I would imagine, you know, it was going on. Volcker would step in in 79. And, you know, that's when the WIN Whip Inflation Now campaigned in 1980. But we can go pretty deep into these names. That's crazy. I forgot all about Volcker.

58:35 That is crazy. And so I think that's kind of the big umbrella is and why at some point we have to get a chronology of all of this put together, because you can imagine how vital. Here's all of the Operation Gladio timeline events. Here's all of the people in cabinet positions as all of these events are unfolding. And you can go down.

59:05 Position by position by position. And just like we were just saying, if you look at the Federal Reserve and who all of the governors and those people were in those positions and they know all of this for 20 years and they did unequivocally, they knew all of the who even knew the national security advisors had an economist on staff. And that guy's job is to follow the money from all of their nefarious.

59:32 BS things that Oliver North was doing. Right. So he's following all of the money. He knows. Well, where did he end up? Where did all of them in this 20 year period that has filled that position that would know unequivocally how corrupt the CIA is? Because what most people don't understand is.

59:54 We all get the fact that there's no line between the Department of Defense, the CIA, and the State Department, right? They meld together. What most people forget is the National Security Advisor staff. And the reason why they could not have Michael Flynn in that position, because the National Security staff is who this guy reports to at the CIA. It's who...

1:00:23 chairs the meeting for the coordination with state and with the DOD. So every Gladio operation, every finding that was to assassinate a foreign head of state, every single thing that Operation Gladio is related to and the White House interaction with that happens in the National Security Advisor's office. Michael Flynn had access to every historical document.

1:00:52 that the National Security Advisors Office has ever orchestrated. They were at the heart of the Lumumba assassination, the Allende assassination. The National Security Advisors meetings is who orchestrates all of that. It puts an emphasis on how important the Senate confirmation hearings are. And, you know, if you go back over the last three or four decades, you kind of picture these people that are nominated for certain cabinet positions.

1:01:22 It's a conversation that's sort of like, imagine a mafioso saying, hey, he's a friend of ours or a friend of mine, if you remember Donnie Brasco. And that's how these guys, if you're not a friend of theirs, you're not getting it. Someone in chat just pointed out that Matt Gaetz has resigned from the Attorney General consideration. That's one of those issues where he was not a friend of theirs. And, you know, people that go through confirmation just fly right through.

1:01:50 Those are the ones you got to be leery of. The ones that they make a big stink about, like a Michael Flynn. Those are, generally speaking, people who are going to do the right thing. They are not friends of theirs. They're friends of ours. Well, but hold on. The National Security Advisor is not confirmed. So the CIA is confirmed. Yeah, the DNI is. Yes. The National Security Advisor is not. And that's why that position is so critical. Well, we're going to have to have a talk about some of these people being considered.

1:02:22 for some of these positions because there's a couple of good picks and there's a couple of just awful ones. And, you know, Mike Rogers is probably the worst pick, period, to lead the FBI. But he hasn't been picked. That's a rumor. No, that rumor's been driving me nuts. And, you know, it's funny. People all over the internet are saying, well, isn't he the guy that ran to Trump Tower and, you know, told him about the... No, that was Admiral Mike Rogers, not Congressman Mike Rogers. Different people.

1:02:50 Yeah, and I do think that that's very important. The only problem that I have personally talking about it, number one, a lot of it's speculation. And for every single one of the people, you can say one of two things, with the exception of maybe like Radcliffe. There's a lot of jockeying around on, for example, Marco Rubio. Was that done just to get a Senate seat?

1:03:19 to get them off the Senate Intel Committee, which of course we know the Senate Intel Committee is where all of this is hidden, both on the House side. And they had to get Devin Nunes off the House Intel. That's the reason why they did the investigation into him once he started unearthing all of the Russiagate bullshit. So the House and the Senate Intel Committees are vital.

1:03:45 And anyone that sat on those committees during Russiagate were either there to. And that's kind of the irony of all of this. So was Marco Rubio there as an insider to Trump to document everything that they did? Or was he, in fact, on the other team and allowed it to happen?

1:04:11 We will never know that unless it gets disclosed. Right. And you can make a case for either way. Marco Rubio's family, just in case you guys don't know, if you go back and you look at the Cuban exiles and anybody that follows me knows that I've uncovered quite a bit of them being the U.S. gladios here inside the United States, they were used to overthrow.

1:04:37 They were used in the plot to assassinate JFK. They have been at the heart. They were two. Two of them were convicted of bombing the former ambassador to Chile, Alende Lettier, in downtown D.C. and killed an American citizen as a result of that, the bombing. And so they have been.

1:04:59 orchestrating Operation Gladio inside the United States. They were used all over the world. They were used in Colombia. They were used in El Salvador. They were used in Angola. They were used in Vietnam. So they've been deployable Gladio assassins for the CIA, trained down in Southern Florida and New Orleans and Southern Texas. I've traced all of that. Those people, most of them were children.

1:05:29 of the Cuban elite that were employed by the mafia. Now, if you go look up Rubio's dad, he worked in some of the Cuban mafia Batista establishments in Cuba. You can make the argument, I don't have any conclusive evidence of it, that because of his involvement and proximity to that whole thing, that when he came here,

1:06:00 There were remnants of that affiliation when he's down in Miami, which was the case in Felix Rodriguez and all of them. Felix Rodriguez's family was very well off because they were part of the Batista Mafia Association in Cuba. He went to a boarding school, his entire junior high and senior high in the United States while his family's living in, this is prior to Fidel Castro's takeover.

1:06:29 So they're all from very wealthy families. All of the Cuban exiles are from very wealthy, complicit Batista families. So just as a reminder that, you know, the mafia basically had installed, basically ran the government of Cuba as their own island. They put up like 14 casinos and there was things were looking really good to be in the mafia. The people of Cuba were not, didn't do so well, but the ones who played, played ball.

1:06:58 Correct. Political insiders. Yeah. And we've talked about William Polly. William Polly owned the airline going to Cuba. He owned all of the transportation network inside of Cuba. And he owned multiple Cuban sugar plantations inside of Cuba. And the way they operated this was their Cuban insiders.

1:07:20 were paid to be basically the plantation overseers or the director of transportation or the director of this school versus that school. And those people were their minions on the ground for all of the oligarchs in the United States that basically owned all of Cuba under the leadership of Batista, who was the CIA stooge there. And so that whole apparatus had to leave when Castro took over.

1:07:48 And they all came to Miami. And those are the community that people refer to as the Cuban exiles. The CIA cultivated them into Gladio operators. And they were used as assassins all over the world. Rubio grew up in that. Now, however it affected him, I have no clue. So there is the possibility that all of that was made known to him. He wanted to be on the good side.

1:08:15 basically infiltrated the network in the intelligence Senate subcommittee and basically is someone that Trump is using for good. You can make that argument. I don't know. You can also make the argument that, but here's the part I want to make clear, which I love this part. Can you imagine being Chuck Schumer or Mark Warner?

1:08:44 or any of those people who told everything to Marco Rubio in all of those meetings and them now thinking that he potentially was inside Trump's circle. I can, which makes me wonder what kind of leverage they had on Rubio for him to get put on the SSCI in the first place. I don't think you get that position unless you're controllable.

1:09:11 So think about that. If his family is part of that CIA network in Miami, he would be the one you'd want on it, right? Because he grew up in it. And so at some point, I relished the thought that he potentially somehow ended up in Trump's orbit, not their orbit. And the entire time that he's sitting there watching, documenting all of their shit and trying to take Trump down.

1:09:41 Because his nomination, even if he's not that, he's now having to explain to all of them that he's not that. Right? Because now he appears to have been on the inside of Trump. And he's having to go back to all of them going, no, no, really, I wasn't one. I'm not with Trump. I wasn't with Trump. I didn't betray all of you. Yeah, it's possible. It's the same possibility is that basically he, Rubio is a deep state plant that's going to be spying on Trump. So we don't know. I love the havoc.

1:10:13 that it wrecks on them. Unless they know, which would be a bad case. Even if you know, there's never any certainty. I wonder how much leverage you need to be certain. We can speculate about what happens behind closed doors or how much dirt they all have on each other or how the invisible hand actually works. But having not been a part of it myself, it's outside looking and pure speculation.

1:10:42 I've always been very negative on Rubio. First of all, he's never eligible to run for president in the first place. He's not an actual born citizen, besides that point. You look at his foreign policy, what his positions have been. He is a Ukraine hawk. He's anti-Russia. He's anti-China, which is something we need to be paying attention to. But the guy's been in the pocket of the military-industrial complex from day one. That's who his big donors are. That's who he backs.

1:11:10 Yeah, that's not a resume of somebody that's a good actor, but you make the case. It is possible. And we shall see. He's been on the wrong side of every immigration issue, even when he was in the state legislature in Florida. Every single time he is for open borders. I'm just going to pull up his Liberty score real quick. Yeah, I I'm not a fan either, but I do like looking at all angles in. And I love imagining.

1:11:41 how they sweat the appointments not knowing. Well, we've got a – it's going to be interesting. Today's speculation is going to be about who's going to replace Gates as the AG nominee. Now, personally, I hope it's not Ken Paxton from Texas because he's doing a great job in Texas as the AG. And if he steps down, who's going to be – I like him for the next governor of Texas. And if we're really going to right this ship,

1:12:13 It's got to come from the states. It's not going to be from D.C. on out. It's going to be the states on in. And you've got to keep Texas to be rock solid. And Paxton has been fighting a war against the establishment Republicans in Texas. And being a Texan, a multiple-generation Texan, I can tell you, the swamp in Texas is almost as deep as any other place in the country. And Paxton has absolutely proven to be a good actor, and that's why they went after him. The last thing I want to do is take a guy doing a great job out of his position. Yeah.

1:12:45 Makes you wonder, but there are a lot of good candidates out there for AG, but it's such an important position for this upcoming administration. I think it might be the most important of the appointments. I can't disagree with that. Well, one thing we will have a lot of entertainment over the next couple of months. Okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I just could say, well, Biden's trying to throw us into World War III. Imagine that. Okay.

1:13:18 Let me also say thanks to all of the people that are in this quest with us of revealing the truth. Last night, Tom Holman, the new border czar, followed me. I am just tickled pink about that because obviously a lot of our research goes to the heart of the issue that has to be solved in stopping.

1:13:48 The civil wars that the CIA creates all over the world that generates this flood of refugees into the United States. So welcome aboard the Operation Gladio train as it roars down the track. And also, I just want to give a shout out to Alpha Warrior, who last night aired a prerecorded, he had just recently recorded, interview with Patrick's brother.

1:14:18 Patrick Byrne and another gentleman who I do not know his name. I didn't have a chance to be able to listen to the entire interview. I was given the interview by Bridget and she told me to go to the last five minutes, which in Rumble is almost impossible to do. But I did. And Alpha asked Patrick Byrne to look us up and look at

1:14:46 Our expose into all of this information. And so God bless you out. But from the bottom of my heart for putting that on his radar, I believe, I think. And because to me, we're never going to get to the bottom of this until we all understand how big of a hole it is. Yeah. Patrick Byrne, you're going to be hearing his name a lot because a lot of it, I'm not a group of quote unquote influencers.

1:15:16 that were pushing the General Flynn movie, and Patrick Byrne is doing the same. He's got a movie that just came out last week, and I will promote it next time we're on, and I can get us both a promo code if you want. I don't do promo codes on my channel. I don't make any money on my podcast. I refuse to do it. Not everyone's in that position, so I don't blame people for making a living doing what we do. That's fine. I'm not chastising them.

1:15:42 But this Patrick Byrne movie is supposed to be fantastic, and I'm going to probably be watching it over the weekend and get a promo code and someplace we can donate the money or what have you. But apparently it's pretty good. Interesting quick story about Patrick Byrne. When he was the CEO of Overstock.com, his company was being attacked with short selling. And he went and talked to a gentleman that I know in Newport Beach.

1:16:11 who had done, a computer expert, a guy who was doing AI programming for investments years ago, but he had figured out how to track down the naked short selling. If you ever hear about what's called Regulation Show, SHO, that was done by my friend in Newport Beach on behalf of Patrick Byrne with a former chairman of the SEC. I want to say it was Levitt, but that's not it. This is a guy I know pretty well, and I've been over to his house a number of times. We were working on trying to look at taking a hedge fund.

1:16:40 on a blockchain as opposed to regular exchanges. We were one phone call away from having a meeting with Patrick Byrne to back that. And unfortunately, my friend in Newport Beach got himself in a little bit of trouble with the SEC and we had to back off the whole project. But I was this close to meeting with Patrick six, seven years ago. And I've got a lot of respect for him. He's one of the smartest people I've ever seen talk. Just sheer intellectual brilliance. And I think the guy's telling the truth when he tells his big story. He definitely has a story to tell.

1:17:10 That's for sure. He's been in a lot of rooms. Yeah, I'm frustrated. I was that close to meeting the guy because I've always held him in pretty high regard. Well, one of my friends here, from what I understand, and again, I don't I don't travel in those circles at all. But from what I understand, whether it's full time or part time, he lives nearby here in central Florida. And a friend of mine has met him several times who is here in.

1:17:40 Lakeland. And she is obviously very impressed with him. He was part of her, she's in the medical industry. And she was part of the whole COVID revealing of all of the tyranny that was going on. And it was, I believe under that auspices that she met with him and had worked with him on different projects as part of the, you know, basically freedom initiative. And so

1:18:09 She knows him fairly well, and she has nothing but wonderful things to say about him. Very good. Are we going to do a show next Thursday? Because it's Turkey Day, so I doubt we are. We are not. Do you want to try to do one on Wednesday of next week, or do you want to skip a week? I think we probably ought to skip that week. I've got quite a few things going on, and then we will collaborate and come up with our next topic. I want to do Skull and Bones.

1:18:40 All right. Done. All right. I'll be ready. I'll have a ton of stuff for you. All right. I can't wait. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Take care, everybody. Cheers, everyone.

Entities here

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Claims made here

Time-Life front_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 3:46

“we know time and life both worked on behest of the CIA in many cases…”

Henry Luce founded Time-Life guest_asserted ▶ 4:16

“The founder of Time and Life was a guy by the name of Henry Luce, L-U-C-E, I forget, I don't know how to pronounce it, who's also an alumni of Skull and Bones…”

Henry Luce member_of Skull and Bones guest_asserted ▶ 4:16

“The founder of Time and Life was a guy by the name of Henry Luce, L-U-C-E, I forget, I don't know how to pronounce it, who's also an alumni of Skull and Bones…”

CIA funded Italy host_asserted ▶ 4:45

“she was intricately involved in using CIA money to sway elections inside of Italy.…”

Clare Boothe Luce member_of Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 4:45

“And his wife shows up in Operation Gladio as the Italian working for the State Department in Italy at the very beginnings of Operation Gladio…”

Allen Dulles member_of Sullivan & Cromwell guest_asserted ▶ 5:15

“Some of the people he hung around with were, of course, the Prescott Bushes, the Sullivan and Cromwell people, which would be, of course, the Dulles brothers.…”

Jimmy Carter covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 6:04

“It was covered up by the White House during all of the administrations in the 1970s, which would include Nixon. It would include Ford. It would include Reagan, Jimmy Carter.…”

CIA covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 6:04

“And it was covered up by the DEA. It was covered up by the CIA. It was covered up by the FBI. It was covered up by the White House during all of the administrations in the 1970s, which would include N…”

FBI covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 6:04

“And it was covered up by the DEA. It was covered up by the CIA. It was covered up by the FBI.…”

DEA covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 6:04

“And it was covered up by the DEA. It was covered up by the CIA. It was covered up by the FBI.…”

Richard Nixon covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 6:04

“It was covered up by the White House during all of the administrations in the 1970s, which would include Nixon. It would include Ford. It would include Reagan, Jimmy Carter.…”

Gerald Ford covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 6:04

“It was covered up by the White House during all of the administrations in the 1970s, which would include Nixon. It would include Ford. It would include Reagan, Jimmy Carter.…”

Ronald Reagan covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 6:04

“It was covered up by the White House during all of the administrations in the 1970s, which would include Nixon. It would include Ford. It would include Reagan, Jimmy Carter.…”

Agha Hasan Abedi headed BCCI host_asserted ▶ 9:18

“That man showed up to work, Abedi, the guy that was supposedly the CEO of the bank overall. He showed up to work every day in London.…”

U.S. Department of Justice covered_up BCCI guest_asserted ▶ 9:18

“Morgenthau told him that witnesses and British officials were being told by the DOJ not to cooperate.…”

Robert Gates exposed BCCI host_asserted ▶ 10:14

“Robert Gates would refer to this entire operation as the bank of crooks and criminals, and he did so out loud. And he did so three years before the official scandal broke…”

The Outlaw Bank covered_up Federal Reserve host_asserted ▶ 10:41

“I think in large part, this book is kind of a coverup to shield them from as if they had no knowledge.…”

Charles Schumer exposed BCCI documented ▶ 16:44

“Chuck Schumer is the one that reported that there were over 700 tips in 1992.…”

BCCI supplied_arms_to Iran documented ▶ 19:07

“It included political shenanigans in Pakistan to include smuggling arms from Pakistan to Syria, Iran, and Libya to financing terrorist groups and organizing crime…”

BCCI supplied_arms_to Syria documented ▶ 19:07

“It included political shenanigans in Pakistan to include smuggling arms from Pakistan to Syria, Iran, and Libya to financing terrorist groups and organizing crime…”

BCCI supplied_arms_to Libya documented ▶ 19:07

“It included political shenanigans in Pakistan to include smuggling arms from Pakistan to Syria, Iran, and Libya to financing terrorist groups and organizing crime…”

United States covered_up BCCI guest_asserted ▶ 20:04

“There's no question in my mind that it's a calculated effort inside the federal government to limit the investigation.…”

Jack Blum exposed BCCI guest_asserted ▶ 20:04

“He says it was so pervasive and so successful in frustrating his efforts to investigate BCCI that he now believes, shocker here, that it was part of a deliberate strategy.…”

William Casey covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 20:31

“So William Casey had something to do with the immunity BCCI enjoyed. Casey died in 1987.…”

Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq headed Pakistan host_asserted ▶ 20:31

“General Zia, who was in charge in Pakistan.…”

Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq covered_up Agha Hasan Abedi host_asserted ▶ 20:58

“and also contributed to the immunity that Abedi had inside of Pakistan, was murdered in his aircraft being blown up in August of the next year.…”

CIA assassinated Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq speculative ▶ 20:58

“So within 12 months of each other, the two people that was basically covering for BCCI, both in the United States and Pakistan, are eliminated. And who's got the ability to do that? The CIA.…”

CIA overbilled_or_diverted United States host_asserted ▶ 21:55

“So the CIA was taking money from us, our taxpayers. And I'm talking just the appropriated, not the covert money. They were taking money from us out of the budget, sending it to Pakistan, supposedly,…”

CIA supplied_arms_to Mujahideen host_asserted ▶ 22:54

“They take pennies on the dollar, go to Bulgaria, Romania, and they buy old Soviet weaponry. They deliver that to the Mujahideen, the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan.…”

BCCI laundered_money_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 22:54

“And then they take the rest of the money and they use BCCI to launder that money.…”

CIA trafficked Mujahideen host_asserted ▶ 23:48

“Mujahideen were paid assassins trained by the CIA that was later trafficked into Albania, Serbia to break up the Yugoslavia country.…”

CIA trained Mujahideen host_asserted ▶ 23:48

“Mujahideen were paid assassins trained by the CIA that was later trafficked into Albania, Serbia to break up the Yugoslavia country.…”

CIA recruited Mujahideen host_asserted ▶ 24:16

“They recruited them from Kazakhstan and a lot of the former Soviet countries because they all spoke Russian.…”

CIA founded ISIS host_asserted ▶ 24:45

“They labeled them as Mujahideen and they turned them into Al Qaeda. They turn them into ISIS. But it all originates from the same group of CIA trained terrorists.…”

United Kingdom recruited Muslim Brotherhood host_asserted ▶ 24:45

“Well, it's the British and what they did with the Muslim Brotherhood 50 years earlier. Correct. It's the exact same playbook.…”

CIA founded Al Qaeda host_asserted ▶ 24:45

“They labeled them as Mujahideen and they turned them into Al Qaeda. They turn them into ISIS. But it all originates from the same group of CIA trained terrorists.…”

Turkey recruited Grey Wolves host_asserted ▶ 25:14

“This is why, and it's what Turkey did with the gray wolves. It's what a gender press did in Portugal. It's what the Gladio was in Italy.…”

CIA attempted_assassination_of Agha Hasan Abedi speculative ▶ 27:15

“that there are a lot of people out there that believe he was heart attacked by the CIA, but just didn't die.…”

BCCI secretly_owned Financial General Bankshares book_quoted ▶ 30:54

“In 1982, when BCCI took over financial general after a three-year struggle,…”

Kamal Adham member_of BCCI book_quoted ▶ 32:25

“a basic background check on the shareholders like Kamal Atom or A.R. Khalil would have revealed all of their intelligence connections.…”

Federal Reserve covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 32:25

“And that single point right there tells me not only was the Federal Reserve complicit, that they knowingly went along and did nothing.…”

A.R. Khalil member_of BCCI book_quoted ▶ 32:25

“a basic background check on the shareholders like Kamal Atom or A.R. Khalil would have revealed all of their intelligence connections.…”

William Casey recruited Agha Hasan Abedi book_quoted ▶ 32:51

“A bet he had by then came to be an ally in William Casey's crusade against the quote unquote evil empire.…”

Paula Hawkins exposed BCCI book_quoted ▶ 32:51

“When Senator Paula Hawkins visited Pakistan in 1984 and upset their apple cart by confronting General Zia with her knowledge,…”

U.S. State Department covered_up BCCI book_quoted ▶ 33:21

“that a Pakistani bank was laundering money out of Miami and the Cayman Islands. Both the State Department and the Justice Department covered it up.…”

CIA paid Manuel Noriega book_quoted ▶ 33:49

“That would have led her to Panama and Manuel Noriega, who happened to be on the CIA's payroll at the time.…”

Iran-Contra financed_via BCCI host_asserted ▶ 34:19

“because BCCI was at the heart of all of the deals for Iran Contra all of the money that went to buy the missiles through Israel into Iran went through BCCI all of the money laundering for the drugs ou…”

Lawrence Walsh exposed George H.W. Bush documented ▶ 35:08

“His statements were flatly contradicted the week before November 1992 election when the Iran Contra, this is hilarious, special prosecutor released part of the former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberg…”

George H.W. Bush member_of Iran-Contra documented ▶ 35:37

“which revealed that Bush, in a critical meeting, voted to send Iran tow missiles in exchange for hostages.…”

George H.W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger documented ▶ 35:37

“prevent George Bush from issuing a full pardon on Christmas Eve of 1992 to Casper Weinberger and five other Reagan administration officials who had been convicted of lying or withholding information f…”

Oliver North financed_via BCCI book_quoted ▶ 36:35

“had all used BCCI services in some of their key operations.…”

William Casey financed_via BCCI book_quoted ▶ 36:35

“had all used BCCI services in some of their key operations.…”

John Poindexter financed_via BCCI book_quoted ▶ 36:35

“had all used BCCI services in some of their key operations.…”

BCCI provided_bridge_financing_for Iran-Contra documented ▶ 37:09

“in a number of arms deals with Khashoggi and at least five different deals with the United States and BCCI, providing bridge financing from Israel to Iran.…”

Adnan Khashoggi financed_via BCCI documented ▶ 37:38

“Floor described BCCI as acting not merely as Gobanifar's and Khashoggi's bank, but for the purpose of these transactions, they were actually a partner in the deal because they're basically the CIA.…”

Manucher Ghorbanifar financed_via BCCI documented ▶ 37:38

Donald Regan covered_up BCCI book_quoted ▶ 38:09

“In 1985, the CIA sent Treasury Secretary Donald Reagan the damning report on BCCI via Douglas Mulholland. Damning because Reagan, who had sworn to uphold the nation's law, failed to take action and in…”

Roger Robinson member_of National Security Council book_quoted ▶ 38:38

“According to former National Security Council member Roger Robinson, the CIA delivered…”

James Baker covered_up BCCI book_quoted ▶ 39:08

“two more detailed reports on BCCI to James Baker. And who followed Reagan? James Baker, right? If Robinson, if what Robinson says is true, there are far more at stake than just the appearance of malfe…”

George H.W. Bush appointed James Baker book_quoted ▶ 39:38

“They were business partners. He was a confidant. He was his campaign chairman and a cabinet officer in his administration.…”

Norman Bailey member_of National Security Council book_quoted ▶ 40:01

“Quote, we were aware that BCCI was involved in drug money transactions, said Norman Bailey, the national security economist who monitored all terrorism by tracking the movement of follow the money.…”

William J. Donovan member_of Office of Strategic Services host_asserted ▶ 40:30

“If you go back to the founding of our intelligence agencies, almost all of the people, even back to the OSS days, the Dulles's, Wild Bill Donovan, these are all lawyers, but more specifically, they're…”

Allen Dulles member_of Office of Strategic Services host_asserted ▶ 40:30

CIA financed_via BCCI book_quoted ▶ 41:56

“Casey was very good at compartmentalizing their information, but the agency was using BCCI in connection with covert operations from England to Pakistan.…”

BCCI supplied_arms_to CIA book_quoted ▶ 42:23

“Although international weapons dealers say BCCI's role in providing private channels for weapons and even mercenaries for some of the world's intelligence agencies, including those in the United State…”

Gulf War 1991 covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 43:45

“So this invasion and this desert storm happened at exactly the perfect time in order to put all of this stuff and just sweep it under the rug, which we know they do all the time.…”

April Glaspie proposed Gulf War 1991 host_asserted ▶ 43:45

“basically authorized Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait. So this invasion and this desert storm happened at exactly the perfect time…”

CIA targeted_for_regime_change Soviet Union host_asserted ▶ 45:01

“because they had been working behind the scenes with the Soviet Union for the dismantling of the Soviet Union, they had already put their investment bankers in there to, quote unquote, privatize every…”

United States supplied_arms_to Iran guest_asserted ▶ 46:54

“Oh, it was in Iraq that we had been arming for a decade to be a bulwark against Iran,…”

CIA overthrew King of Iraq (unnamed) host_asserted ▶ 47:25

“Then the CIA overthrew the king and installed Saddam Hussein.…”

CIA installed Saddam Hussein host_asserted ▶ 47:25

“Then the CIA overthrew the king and installed Saddam Hussein.…”

United States installed King of Iraq (unnamed) host_asserted ▶ 47:25

“After World War II, we set up a king in Iraq. They didn't have a king. They got a king now.…”

CIA recruited Unnamed Iraqi defense minister (Saddam's groomed successor) host_asserted ▶ 48:12

“The basically the guy that played the role of secretary of defense for Saddam Hussein to be his successor in case they had to off him, which they always do.…”

Saddam Hussein assassinated Unnamed Iraqi defense minister (Saddam's groomed successor) host_asserted ▶ 48:12

“He murders him, takes him off the board.…”

United States supplied_arms_to Iran host_asserted ▶ 49:09

“we're shipping in the 1980s via Iran-Contra missiles and all kinds of technology shit through Israel into Iran. We're literally arming both sides. And who was at the heart of all of it? BCCI.…”

Robert Morgenthau exposed BCCI host_asserted ▶ 50:31

“He's got secret confessions from Saudi officials that he flew in that was grand jury indicted. He's got this mountain of evidence against BCCI.…”

United States paid Pakistan host_asserted ▶ 51:00

“we gave Pakistan $60 billion during the course of all of this time in military aid and U.S. State Department aid.…”

Pakistan covered_up Agha Hasan Abedi host_asserted ▶ 51:28

“while they're harboring a fugitive that embezzled billions of U.S. dollars in these banks that they illegally purchased.…”

United States paid Dubai host_asserted ▶ 51:53

“we gave them over $30 billion in U.S. aid and military aid. And at no time did they ever give us a single person out of BCCI leadership that went to hide in the UAE.…”

Dubai covered_up BCCI host_asserted ▶ 51:53

“And at no time did they ever give us a single person out of BCCI leadership that went to hide in the UAE. And almost all of them went there to hide.…”

Robert Altman front_for BCCI host_asserted ▶ 55:17

“They're the ones that facilitated the buying of these banks in the U.S., which was criminal from the get-go.…”

Clark Clifford front_for BCCI host_asserted ▶ 55:17

“They're the ones that facilitated the buying of these banks in the U.S., which was criminal from the get-go.…”

Henry Morgenthau Jr. headed U.S. Treasury Department guest_asserted ▶ 55:41

“I mean, his father was the secretary of the treasury for FDR.…”

Henry Morgenthau Jr. founded IMF guest_asserted ▶ 56:09

“He was the president of the Bretton Woods Conference where they created the IMF and the World Bank.…”

Henry Morgenthau Jr. founded Bank for International Settlements guest_asserted ▶ 56:09

“He was the president of the Bretton Woods Conference where they created the IMF and the World Bank.…”

Lloyd's of London exposed BCCI book_quoted ▶ 56:37

“Lloyds of London, which is enmeshed in a racketeering lawsuit against BCCI, has fruitlessly made offers to provide evidence of bribery and kickbacks and has made repeated pleas to U.S. attorneys in Mi…”

G. William Miller succeeded Arthur Burns guest_asserted ▶ 57:36

“He was succeeded for almost two years by a guy by the name of William Miller. This is under Carter.…”

Arthur Burns headed Federal Reserve guest_asserted ▶ 57:36

“of course, you had Arthur Burns, who Nixon appointed from 1970 to 78.…”

Richard Nixon appointed Arthur Burns guest_asserted ▶ 57:36

“of course, you had Arthur Burns, who Nixon appointed from 1970 to 78.…”

G. William Miller headed U.S. Treasury Department guest_asserted ▶ 58:06

“The cabinet shuffles and Miller goes on to become the director of the treasury, treasury secretary from the Federal Reserve.…”

Paul Volcker succeeded G. William Miller guest_asserted ▶ 58:06

“Volcker would step in in 79.…”

National Security Council ordered_assassination_of Patrice Lumumba host_asserted ▶ 1:00:52

“They were at the heart of the Lumumba assassination, the Allende assassination. The National Security Advisors meetings is who orchestrates all of that.…”

National Security Council ordered_assassination_of Salvador Allende host_asserted ▶ 1:00:52

“They were at the heart of the Lumumba assassination, the Allende assassination. The National Security Advisors meetings is who orchestrates all of that.…”

Brigade 2506 carried_out_attack Letelier bombing documented ▶ 1:04:37

“Two of them were convicted of bombing the former ambassador to Chile, Alende Lettier, in downtown D.C. and killed an American citizen as a result of that, the bombing.…”

Brigade 2506 carried_out_attack Robert Kennedy assassination host_asserted ▶ 1:04:37

“They were used in the plot to assassinate JFK.…”

Brigade 2506 member_of Operation Gladio host_asserted ▶ 1:04:59

“orchestrating Operation Gladio inside the United States. They were used all over the world. They were used in Colombia. They were used in El Salvador. They were used in Angola. They were used in Vietn…”

CIA trained Brigade 2506 host_asserted ▶ 1:04:59

“So they've been deployable Gladio assassins for the CIA, trained down in Southern Florida and New Orleans and Southern Texas.…”

Felix Rodriguez member_of Brigade 2506 host_asserted ▶ 1:06:00

“There were remnants of that affiliation when he's down in Miami, which was the case in Felix Rodriguez and all of them.…”

Mafia secretly_owned Cuba host_asserted ▶ 1:06:29

“the mafia basically had installed, basically ran the government of Cuba as their own island. They put up like 14 casinos…”

Fulgencio Batista front_for CIA host_asserted ▶ 1:07:20

“all of the oligarchs in the United States that basically owned all of Cuba under the leadership of Batista, who was the CIA stooge there…”

CIA recruited Brigade 2506 host_asserted ▶ 1:07:48

“And they all came to Miami. And those are the community that people refer to as the Cuban exiles. The CIA cultivated them into Gladio operators. And they were used as assassins all over the world.…”

Marco Rubio member_of Brigade 2506 speculative ▶ 1:07:48

“Rubio grew up in that. Now, however it affected him, I have no clue.…”